Speaker 1: Hi, listeners, welcome back. I'm not your glover to wob
Speaker 1: and you need to hear this. Do you believe that
Speaker 1: relationships can be easy? I mean, have you ever experienced that?
Speaker 1: Like you have this long term friendship and it's just
Speaker 1: we get along so well. We don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of arguments. We you know, we understand each other. So
Speaker 1: we're very respectful of each person's need for space or
Speaker 1: this person's need for this or that. Like, have you
Speaker 1: had some friendships that feel easy? They don't feel like work.
Speaker 1: It feels, you know, very organic, and you know, things
Speaker 1: typically work, you know. I think sometimes we think that
Speaker 1: relationships have to be tough. We have been so this
Speaker 1: idea that relationships should be tough, even friendships, you know,
Speaker 1: like you have your ups and downs, you have communication issues,
Speaker 1: And I think that is the case sometimes when we
Speaker 1: have to notice when it is always the case. Are
Speaker 1: all of our friendships characterized by the same type of ending?
Speaker 1: Do we have the same ending? If so, we are
Speaker 1: writing the same book. Are we having the same type
Speaker 1: of dispute? Every time I have a friend we fight
Speaker 1: about this? How is it that we get ourselves into
Speaker 1: the same situations over and over again? I'll tell you
Speaker 1: how we're not learning anything new and we're not implementing
Speaker 1: anything different. When we do the same things, we have
Speaker 1: the same problems in our relationships. I think that one
Speaker 1: thing about friendship is we are meeting people where they are.
Speaker 1: What does that mean. If you have a friend who
Speaker 1: doesn't like to work out with you, you don't work
Speaker 1: out with that person. You find another friend or another
Speaker 1: person in your life to feel that need. If your
Speaker 1: friends share some information with you and you disagree with it,
Speaker 1: you have to figure out is this the sort of
Speaker 1: person that appreciates honesty or is this the sort of
Speaker 1: person where I have to zip it up. Sometimes we're
Speaker 1: not asking ourselves those questions, and we are just giving
Speaker 1: people stuff and we're just making requirements of them, and
Speaker 1: it impacts our friendships. It causes lots of issues, either
Speaker 1: on their side or our side. Sometimes we are overgiving.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we are saying yes to things that we need
Speaker 1: to say no to. So on both sides, we have
Speaker 1: to respect who the person is, not who we want
Speaker 1: them to be. It isn't build a friend, it's have
Speaker 1: a friendship. And sometimes we're trying to like build a
Speaker 1: friend and if I am truly your friend. That might
Speaker 1: come with some you know, limitations in our relationship, and
Speaker 1: I can pick that up with other friends. I don't
Speaker 1: have to stick beside you as if you're the only
Speaker 1: person in the world. Perhaps there are other people. The
Speaker 1: other thing I noticed with our friendships is we let
Speaker 1: things go on for too long. Usually when we end
Speaker 1: a friendship, it's been ending for a very long time.
Speaker 1: We've been having this issue for a very long time.
Speaker 1: You know, I was in your wedding. You didn't want
Speaker 1: to be in my wedding. I won't say anything about it.
Speaker 1: You could do whatever you want to do. But eight
Speaker 1: years later, oh my gosh, I'm so mad at your
Speaker 1: tea party. I bring up this thing. Right, having those
Speaker 1: conversations pretty close to the time of the impacting event
Speaker 1: is really important. Eight years later, people don't even remember
Speaker 1: this thing because it wasn't a big thing to them.
Speaker 1: So having those conversations around the time of the offense
Speaker 1: could be key to repairing and being able to move
Speaker 1: forward in those relationships. So if you have not thought about, like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm having this issue with this person,
Speaker 1: how do I have this hard conversation? You might have
Speaker 1: to sit with that for a very long time, and
Speaker 1: the person may not change. They will continue to be
Speaker 1: themselves and you will be stuck with being mad at
Speaker 1: them and them having no idea. Let's get into today's call,
Speaker 1: which you've guessed it. It's about friendship. It's about a
Speaker 1: long term friendship field with ups and downs. So let's
Speaker 1: see how we can help.
Speaker 2: Hi, Nindra, I love your podcast, and I have a
Speaker 2: couple of questions that relate to long term friendships and
Speaker 2: navigating conflict. So I've been friends with someone, a woman,
Speaker 2: for over ten years, and we're part of a friend
Speaker 2: group that's been close for the same amount of time.
Speaker 2: So this friendship with this person has been filled with
Speaker 2: a lot of ups and downs, a lot of you know, arguments, disagreements,
Speaker 2: and quite a bit of drama since we became friends
Speaker 2: over ten years ago. A bit about me. I've struggled
Speaker 2: with communication in various relationships, so romantic friendships, et cetera,
Speaker 2: such as like, you know, communicating my needs, what works
Speaker 2: for me, what doesn't, my boundaries, et cetera. It's something
Speaker 2: I've been actively working on and it's something over the
Speaker 2: past five years that I've really put in a lot
Speaker 2: of effort for and since I've started to communicate my
Speaker 2: needs and my boundary is a bit better. Over the years,
Speaker 2: I've noticed that this friendship, it's been struggling quite a
Speaker 2: bit lately. I won't go into details without some of
Speaker 2: the issues, but a couple of years ago, there was
Speaker 2: a lot of drama around one of our friend's wedding
Speaker 2: who's also in the group, And there's just been other
Speaker 2: issues that have come up, kind of about different issues,
Speaker 2: but a lot of them centering around this person's reactivity.
Speaker 2: So this person tends to react really quickly and somebody's
Speaker 2: quite harshly. When something sets them, they then disappear or
Speaker 2: ghost me or our group for periods of time, So
Speaker 2: it could be like days, weeks, or even months. And
Speaker 2: then either it's myself or someone else in me a group,
Speaker 2: or maybe this person. She will just reach out when
Speaker 2: she feels like making contact, and then she acts like
Speaker 2: nothing's happened.
Speaker 1: Addressing ghosting can be really hard, right, but I think
Speaker 1: the way that you address this is you talk about
Speaker 1: how it made you feel to be out of contact
Speaker 1: with that person when you didn't answer my cause I
Speaker 1: felt really sad because I thought we were close and
Speaker 1: we could talk about things. And I understand you're upset,
Speaker 1: but at least give me a simple response so that
Speaker 1: I know what's going on. I hear that your communication
Speaker 1: challenges in all types of relationships have stopped you from,
Speaker 1: you know, communicating well. And in this situation, it sounds
Speaker 1: like you haven't said anything about this person sort of
Speaker 1: having these dramatic moments with people and then ghosting, maybe
Speaker 1: even before he or she can be confronted. So here's
Speaker 1: the thing. There are some people in our lives who
Speaker 1: are high drama. Do we want to pull them into
Speaker 1: every situation with us? I think we have to be
Speaker 1: careful about what spaces we share with the high drama people.
Speaker 1: Maybe keeping them away from our other people is good.
Speaker 1: So if this friend is going to be in your wedding,
Speaker 1: I would expect some drama. You know. It's not like, ugh,
Speaker 1: she's not this sort of person. It's a one off.
Speaker 1: It sounds like this is a typical response for this person.
Speaker 1: And I understand for you know, some of us, that's
Speaker 1: really hard to accept that this person is just being
Speaker 1: them sales. When they have an opinion about something, they
Speaker 1: harshly express it. And so if you don't want your
Speaker 1: guests or your other friends to be offended. You may
Speaker 1: need to exclude this person from this group stuff when
Speaker 1: they're having this moment. You might have to be the
Speaker 1: person to stand up and diffuse it. Hey hey, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I see that this is getting out of hand. Let's
Speaker 1: change the topic because this is getting really heated. You
Speaker 1: have to really own the interactions when this person is
Speaker 1: present if you want them to be there. And I
Speaker 1: know you know with communication challenges, that can be really
Speaker 1: hard because you're communicating, you are owning the space. You
Speaker 1: are saying, I am the authority here, I am the facilitator.
Speaker 1: This can and this cannot happen. So we will talk
Speaker 1: more about how to communicate after the break.
Speaker 2: I have let this behavior go on for years with
Speaker 2: not being addressed, and so have other people in the group.
Speaker 2: It is only really being more recently that I've been
Speaker 2: working on addressing it as I find this behavior really hurtful.
Speaker 2: So more recently, there was a time this past summer
Speaker 2: where I and some others in the group also let
Speaker 2: this friend down. We all handled it differently, but of
Speaker 2: course it's complex because we're a group and it's a
Speaker 2: group dynamic so I did apologize for my role. She
Speaker 2: apologized for my role, and then I tried to figure
Speaker 2: out how we could move forward with our friendship and
Speaker 2: the situation. But this friend, she, while she had to apologized,
Speaker 2: she was not ready to move on, which I understand,
Speaker 2: but she was just, you know, kind of going in circles,
Speaker 2: blaming me and blaming others in the friend group. So,
Speaker 2: you know, on the one hand, I understand that she
Speaker 2: was upset and she tied a process. She wanted to
Speaker 2: keep talking about it, but I also didn't want to
Speaker 2: hear these not nice things about me and about our
Speaker 2: other friends of the group. It just wasn't a conversation
Speaker 2: that I could continue engaging with. So of course, I
Speaker 2: know friendship group dynamics can be really tricky, and I've
Speaker 2: really struggled over the past five years or so, you know,
Speaker 2: setting boundaries and communicating my needs with people, and specifically
Speaker 2: with this person. So you know, after this summer incident,
Speaker 2: I knew I need some time in space from her.
Speaker 2: I told her she wouldn't hear from me for a while,
Speaker 2: as I wasn't sure if or how we could be
Speaker 2: friends in the future, you know, and I'm finding that
Speaker 2: since I haven't communicated clearly throughout most of the friendship
Speaker 2: that I just have so much resentment and anger towards
Speaker 2: this person, which is really a result of my own
Speaker 2: lack of action. So it's impacting, you know, how I
Speaker 2: show up in the friendship and how I showed up
Speaker 2: in that conversation, And I guess I just need some
Speaker 2: time to figure out how or if I can be
Speaker 2: friends with this person.
Speaker 1: Again, we may focused on the worst case scenario when
Speaker 1: ending a relationship, like oh, people will ask about them,
Speaker 1: they won't be at this thing, I'll miss them. It
Speaker 1: might be to our benefit to look at the positives
Speaker 1: around not being in relationships with certain people. For example,
Speaker 1: I will have less anxiety, I will feel more comfortable
Speaker 1: in group settings. I will have easier friendships. I will
Speaker 1: have more time to spend with people I love who
Speaker 1: are healthy for me. There could be some positives that
Speaker 1: we're overlooking because we're thinking about like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: to say this, I have to do this, but you know,
Speaker 1: in this caller's case, it sounds like you've already said it,
Speaker 1: so I wonder, how do you commit to it if
Speaker 1: that's what you want to do. We don't have to be,
Speaker 1: you know, friends with people because we've been friends with
Speaker 1: them for ten years. Like you know, the average friendship
Speaker 1: is around seven years, and ten is pretty good. You know.
Speaker 1: I have some friends who, thankfully, you know, we've been
Speaker 1: friends twenty plus years, twenty five plus years, and that
Speaker 1: is beautiful. But guess what. I've had some friends we
Speaker 1: were friends for one year. I have some friends we
Speaker 1: were friends for six months. I have some we were
Speaker 1: friends for ten years. You know, So everybody isn't going
Speaker 1: to be on the life long journey. Those friendships I've
Speaker 1: had for you know, the long haul so far easy,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so easy. I could take them around anyone,
Speaker 1: and they almost steal my other friends. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'll say, like, don't steal my friend. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see her at your stuff. You know, it's like,
Speaker 1: that's my friend. I only hang out with good people.
Speaker 1: Of course you would like, of course she's wonderful. But
Speaker 1: we have to think about what our friends are representing
Speaker 1: while we have them with other people. What am I
Speaker 1: reflecting as a part of me? You know, I love
Speaker 1: it when people love my other friends. I have one
Speaker 1: friend right now, and he is just he's so fun
Speaker 1: and everybody is like, why didn't you bring him? Where
Speaker 1: is he? I went to a concert recently and he
Speaker 1: was there with some other friends, and all of my
Speaker 1: friends they were like, you know, he's here. It was
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, okay, guys, he is a great person.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's really great when you have those
Speaker 1: situations where it's like that's how it could be that
Speaker 1: you're around people who are excited to be around each other,
Speaker 1: not like, oh my gosh, here she come. She's I
Speaker 1: know she's going to get into a fight with someone.
Speaker 1: Perhaps we've adopted like this Housewives way of friendship, like
Speaker 1: this stuff is now normal to have fights and then
Speaker 1: meet up again. I think it's the oddest thing that
Speaker 1: we feel we have to be in those relationships that
Speaker 1: are chaotic. We have a choice, and that choice could
Speaker 1: be not to deal with all of this high drama conflict,
Speaker 1: you know, and if you're going to deal with it,
Speaker 1: go join the cast of the housewives, Go join married
Speaker 1: to medicine or something like, you know, make a job
Speaker 1: out of it. Don't invite this stuff into your real life.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot to be
Speaker 1: an adult with so many other pools in your life.
Speaker 1: You know, when I think about making dentis appointments, cooking dinner,
Speaker 1: folding my clothes, working, being a daughter, doing this, doing that,
Speaker 1: do we actually have space for people to just take
Speaker 1: up and waste? Do we have space to you know,
Speaker 1: you only get four hours after work to hang out,
Speaker 1: and you go hang out and it's arguing and fighting
Speaker 1: the whole time. Is that what we're making space for.
Speaker 1: We have to prioritize our life overall and how this
Speaker 1: person fits into it. It could be that this friendship
Speaker 1: is paused. It could be that this friendship is outside
Speaker 1: of this group dynamic. It could be that there are
Speaker 1: a lot of difficult conversations had because you want to
Speaker 1: improve it. And I'm not talking about from her side,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about from your side. You will see me
Speaker 1: doing these things differently based on some of the things
Speaker 1: that have occurred in our dynamic. She may not change,
Speaker 1: but you can, you know, you can say, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start being a little more assertive. So when
Speaker 1: I see a conversation, you know, getting a bit heated,
Speaker 1: I may just loudly say let's change the topic. Or
Speaker 1: I may say, hey, step outside with me. You will
Speaker 1: notice me doing these things because I'm trying to change
Speaker 1: the rhythm of this group. If you truly have an
Speaker 1: issue with setting boundaries communicating with people in general, this
Speaker 1: could be an opportunity for you to improve that. You know,
Speaker 1: set boundaries, find pieces of book you could read. We
Speaker 1: Need to Talk is another great book, but there are
Speaker 1: so many great books about how to communicate and most importantly,
Speaker 1: finding resources that help you communicate when communicating is hard.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not an easy thing, and I often
Speaker 1: think that we assume that people who communicate find it
Speaker 1: to be really easy, and it could be just the opposite.
Speaker 1: Like I sometimes will communicate because I have to because
Speaker 1: I don't want to be uncomfortable. I want to sleep
Speaker 1: without having these ruminating thoughts about what happened with us.
Speaker 1: I want to be able to have a good day.
Speaker 1: So I have to say this thing to you. It's
Speaker 1: not that I want to. I don't want to say this,
Speaker 1: but I have to say it because if I don't,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be up all night. If I don't
Speaker 1: say it, I'm going to be upset. If I don't
Speaker 1: say it. When I see you, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: giving you a little bit of side eye, and so
Speaker 1: if I really want to be authentic, I have to
Speaker 1: speak up. If I don't speak up, I'm suffering. I'm suffering.
Speaker 1: Let's keep listening.
Speaker 2: So basically, to sum up my questions, are, you know,
Speaker 2: how do I move forward here? How do I decide
Speaker 2: if I want to be friends with this person? You know,
Speaker 2: is it possible to mend a relationship or friendship where
Speaker 2: one person has been brushing things under the rug for
Speaker 2: so long? Is there just a point where it's just
Speaker 2: too late and there's nothing left to salvage? I guess.
Speaker 2: My other question is how can we navigate conflict effectively
Speaker 2: in long term friendships and in group dynamics? And you know,
Speaker 2: how do we determine if friendship is salvagable or you know,
Speaker 2: is it time to just move on and kind of
Speaker 2: give up on the friendship? So I know those are
Speaker 2: a lot of questions, but I really would love to
Speaker 2: hear your thoughts on the on the topic, and I
Speaker 2: look forward to hearing from you.
Speaker 1: I want to respond question by question. So here's the
Speaker 1: first question, how do I move forward? When we have
Speaker 1: some disruption or dysfunction in a relationship, it is important
Speaker 1: that we use some repair skills. Some of us are
Speaker 1: moving forward without repairing, and what happens is we find ourselves,
Speaker 1: usually pretty quickly, back in the same situation. We all
Speaker 1: know what happens when we don't repair something, it gets worse.
Speaker 1: It's like a little hole in a knitted sweater. You know,
Speaker 1: if you don't mend that little tiny hole, it gets
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and bigger. So we have to repair.
Speaker 1: So how do I move forward? You repair? You have
Speaker 1: a conversation about what happened and how things can be differently.
Speaker 1: You explore her feelings, you explore your feelings, You let
Speaker 1: it out. That's how you move forward. The next question,
Speaker 1: how do I decide if I want to be friends
Speaker 1: with this person? A pro and commas is always good
Speaker 1: for friendship, for deciding if we want to take a job,
Speaker 1: move to a new city. What is the reason for
Speaker 1: wanting to do this? And what is the reason that
Speaker 1: we may not want to do this? So pros this
Speaker 1: person is fun to hang around, They're a great dancer,
Speaker 1: they have an infectious laugh. Cons they are chaotic. Whenever
Speaker 1: we're in a group setting, when you bring up anything
Speaker 1: to them, they cut you off. You know, pros and
Speaker 1: cons make a list. Next question, is it possible to
Speaker 1: mend a relationship or friendship where one person has been
Speaker 1: brushing things under the rug for so long? Absolutely? Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, when we think about family relationships, that's typically
Speaker 1: the case, right, like you've been letting something go for
Speaker 1: a really long time. And yes, it could happen in
Speaker 1: friendships and you know, dating relationships, all sorts of things.
Speaker 1: And as long as you're willing to talk about it today,
Speaker 1: there is still hope, you know, if that person is
Speaker 1: will to hear you out, there is still hope. Not
Speaker 1: everyone gets upset that you say, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: having this issue for five years. It's hopeful for the
Speaker 1: other person to know. There are some people will be like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this has been the problem, and then
Speaker 1: there are lots of people who will say, okay, let's
Speaker 1: address it. Next question, is there just a point where
Speaker 1: it's too late and there's nothing left to salvage? Hmmm?
Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to believe as long as people
Speaker 1: have breath, you know, there's this possibility that we can
Speaker 1: salvage and repair things. However, I think it is okay
Speaker 1: to leave things, things that we really once loved. I
Speaker 1: had a teeth thermis for Oh my gosh, maybe about
Speaker 1: fifteen years, maybe about fifteen years, I had this teeth thermist.
Speaker 1: I think I got it for my twentieth birthday, maybe
Speaker 1: my nineteenth or twentieth birthday or something. I had this
Speaker 1: thing for a really long time, and I meant it.
Speaker 1: It had taken falls, falls, a little dentse and a
Speaker 1: sipping part, but I love this cup. Oh hot temperature
Speaker 1: all a day for my tea. The mouth spout was
Speaker 1: just perfect, loved it. Dropped it, bottom fell off, dropped
Speaker 1: it again, and you know, the handle was cracked. So
Speaker 1: it became a point where could I glue this? Could
Speaker 1: I find some And I don't even know who you
Speaker 1: find to fix a thing that you can that's not replaceable, right? Like?
Speaker 1: Is there someone who can put new rubber on the bottle? Like?
Speaker 1: I don't know. But for me, it was not salvageable
Speaker 1: because it was broken in ways where I couldn't even
Speaker 1: use it anymore. So I wonder, what are you trying
Speaker 1: to save? When we are trying to salvage something, it's
Speaker 1: really important to think about what am I trying to save?
Speaker 1: Am I trying to save a thermis with half a
Speaker 1: handle and no bottom. No, I'm not trying to save that. Now.
Speaker 1: I need to go to TJ Max and Marshalls and
Speaker 1: do a little cup hunt to find, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: a similar you know, mouth spout, and I need to
Speaker 1: go on a hunt. But what I don't need to
Speaker 1: do is hunt for all these ways to repair something
Speaker 1: that's broken. Next question, how can we navigate conflict effectively
Speaker 1: and long term friendships and group dynamics. We have to
Speaker 1: be honest with people. We have to bring up topics.
Speaker 1: You know the other day when we met, here was
Speaker 1: the problem. We don't need to let things go for
Speaker 1: too long, because once we let them go for too long,
Speaker 1: people think we didn't have an issue with it, or
Speaker 1: they forgot about it, or we forgot parts of the story.
Speaker 1: So if you want to effectively communicate in a long
Speaker 1: term friendship, it's important to bring up the stuff. And
Speaker 1: sometimes that stuff might hurt the person's feelings and it
Speaker 1: still needs to be said. You know, from hearing your voice,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like you would be mean or you
Speaker 1: would be aggressive, And I think that's the fear sometimes
Speaker 1: that if I say this, it's going to be so mean. Well,
Speaker 1: tone matters sometimes we have to say hard stuff, but
Speaker 1: if you said in your soft voice, I think it'll
Speaker 1: be kind and clear. Here is the last question. Is
Speaker 1: it time to just move on and kind of give
Speaker 1: up on this friendship? M I cannot answer that for you.
Speaker 1: You know, we all stay in relationships up until the
Speaker 1: point that we can't tolerate them anymore. Sometimes people will say,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that's too long. I can't believe you've
Speaker 1: been in that situation for so long, and it may
Speaker 1: feel like it hasn't been long enough for us. It
Speaker 1: is really hard to leave relationships even when we should.
Speaker 1: So it's not always. You know, if people are mistreating you,
Speaker 1: you'll just get out of there. Yeah, if they do
Speaker 1: it the first day. But if you've been in a
Speaker 1: relationship with someone for you know, ten plus years, it's
Speaker 1: a lot harder. You are intertwined into their life, you
Speaker 1: know their family, you have these things you do together.
Speaker 1: It can be quite challenging. But this is a question
Speaker 1: for you to answer. Has the damage been so big
Speaker 1: that you no longer want to be in this relationship?
Speaker 1: And I don't want you to think of so big
Speaker 1: as this person has committed a crime against you, or
Speaker 1: there is you know, some really major thing. So big
Speaker 1: is whenever I bring an issue to you, you stop
Speaker 1: talking to me. That could be your so big. So
Speaker 1: is that something that you would be able to live
Speaker 1: with continuing in a friendship because it might not be
Speaker 1: that this person stops it can have all these conversations
Speaker 1: and they say okay, yes, sure, mmmm mm hm, and
Speaker 1: they do the thing again. So is that something that
Speaker 1: you can tolerate in a friendship going forward, because that
Speaker 1: might be a part of it. You need to hear this.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest ways that we change our relationships
Speaker 1: with other people is changing the way that we engage
Speaker 1: in those relationships. If you improve the way that you communicate,
Speaker 1: the communication and the relationship shifts. If you improve your attitude,
Speaker 1: the mood of the relationship is changed. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this other person has to do nothing, but there
Speaker 1: are a lot of times when we can do some
Speaker 1: you know, pretty significant changes on our own and those
Speaker 1: things really do reflect in the relationship. If we are
Speaker 1: more disciplined with some things, you know, every time this
Speaker 1: person does this thing, I'm going to do that, we
Speaker 1: can extinguish their behavior. But sometimes we'll you know, change
Speaker 1: our behavior once and they don't do it the next
Speaker 1: time and we just give up. So when you are
Speaker 1: having a relationship challenge, it could be wise for you
Speaker 1: to consider what do I need to change here? You
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