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Speaker 1: So are you ready to tack horoscopes? I have never

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Speaker 1: On occasion when I stumbled upon the treasure trove of

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Speaker 1: my skill set. Social justice is my passion, So partly

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Speaker 1: it's just me. Also, astrology is all about commenting on

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Speaker 1: humans and the human experience. It's about our decisions and

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00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: our movements and all of that. So to me, I

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00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: don't understand under what circumstances would your politics not come

431
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: into your astrology exactly. If we're making this point that

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00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: spirituality sort of infuses everything we do, from the things

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00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: that we buy, from the movies that we see, of course,

434
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: it would infuse social change politics and our social and

435
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: political landscape exactly. And I really love what she's all about.

436
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: She's not just sort of social justice washing her craft

437
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: like we've seen some corporations do. Um. You know, this

438
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: is not just about making feminism sell her stuff more.

439
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: It's inherent to who she is. But then she went

440
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: on to say this, which which caused me some pausitis.

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00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: And this is where I kind of like the skincare debate.

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Speaker 1: This is where I feel some personal tension. She says,

443
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: we are all in desperate need of being reflective. We

444
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: all deeply crave a reflection because the reflection kind of

445
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: unlocked something in us, and then it helps us to

446
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: help find our agency. And that last part really struck

447
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: me because your personal agency, your ability to make change

448
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: in your life, to me, seems directly in contradiction with

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00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: this idea that things are sort of predestined in the

450
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: stars that are written in the stars. So the question is,

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00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: doesn't does reading your zodiac help you find a sense

452
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: of personal agency or does it do the opposite and

453
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: give you an excuse to explain why things aren't working

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00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: in your life or are working in your life? You

455
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I know what you mean, And

456
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I have two thoughts on that. One is that I

457
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw recently, Erica Badou got into

458
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of hot water because she gave this

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00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: really wild interview wherein she said that she saw the

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Speaker 1: good and Hitler because he was a good painter, And

461
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: when the interviewer pushed back and said that's deeply offensive.

462
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: Would you like to take that again? She said, well,

463
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: I guess that's just the Pisces in me, which she

464
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: really um for all. I was like, well, she really

465
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: used fell back on her zodiac as a way to

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Speaker 1: explain like, oh, did I just say something really offensive. Well,

467
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm a Pisces. Well that's what I'm saying it. I

468
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: think it can run the risk of giving people the

469
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: opportunity to shirk their agency and and say, well, this

470
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: is just who I am. It's fixed trade, you know,

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00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: and say it's destined in the stars that I'm going

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00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: to be flaky or whatever. Yeah. For me, when I

473
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: read my horoscope, oftentimes I'm more attuned to that sort

474
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Speaker 1: of negative things that's saying about me, and so I

475
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: actually use it too as a way of maybe finding

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Speaker 1: personal agency. So you know, I'm a Pisces as one

477
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Speaker 1: in March fourteen, and traits about Pisces are supposedly flighty

478
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: and emotional and intuitive and creative. And so I when

479
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Speaker 1: I read my horoscope and it's saying, well, you know,

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00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: watch out for this negative trait that might pop up

481
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: on this day, I like to think that I use

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Speaker 1: that as a warning to not do that, and it

483
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: takes some personal agency. It's kind of like a challenge

484
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: to be better exactly. So if my horoscope says you're

485
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: going to feel X y Z on this date, your

486
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: instinct is going to be to do this. You should

487
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: probably do that. It helps to be a little bit

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00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: more mindful of oh am, I reacting the way that

489
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: my horoscope said I would, and is there a better

490
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: way to react? Yeah, it kind of creates an opportunity

491
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: for meta cognition, like think about the way you're thinking. Yeah,

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00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: And honestly, I know that horoscopes get a lot of shade,

493
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: but that's really how I use it. I just use

494
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: it as a way to check in with my own behavior,

495
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: how I'm feeling and test sort of hit the brakes

496
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: on something and course correct something that's not going well. Yes,

497
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: and I think that's a really positive way to look

498
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: at horoscopes. It can be twisted, and I don't think

499
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: it's healthy to look at your horoscope and say, oh, well,

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00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: this is how my life is going to be, you know,

501
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: or feel like it's already predestined. I'm going to have

502
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: a bad day today or I'm gonna have a great

503
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: day today, and sort of get complacent and not feel

504
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: like you're an agent of change in your own life.

505
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, as long as we're not doing that,

506
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: I think they can be relatively harmless. However, there's one

507
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: other argument that came up from Amanda Hess in the

508
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: New York Times. I find like Amanda Hess and I

509
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: must be reading all the same because every time I

510
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: dive deep into a topic for Sminty, somehow Amanda Hess

511
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: comes up and her whole series for The New York

512
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: Times on Amanda on the Internet. What is it called?

513
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: Do you know? Like? Um, you know what? Internetting? Interneting

514
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: with Amanda Hess is so great. And this came up

515
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: in one of her internetting columns, quick thing. You know

516
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: where she got her start here in d C the

517
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: City Paper. She was, Oh, yeah, I adore her. She's great.

518
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm sad I never met her. Did you meet her?

519
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: I wish? I wish too. She's really cool, Amanda call us.

520
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: We want to be friends anyway. She has a very

521
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: uh I wouldn't say salty, but a cutting take on

522
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: the whole phenomenon and the rise of zodiac popularity, and

523
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: she says it's much more about the medium than the message. Basically,

524
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: she says zodiacs were pretty much designed for the digital era.

525
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: And she makes a really good point. She says, quote,

526
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: I think the astrology boomlet as in tiny boom owes

527
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: as much to the dynamics of the modern Internet, as

528
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: it does to any sort of cosmic significance about the

529
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: millennials place in the universe. Astrology checks several boxes for

530
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: viral happy content. It provides an easy framework for endlessly

531
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: personalized material, targets women, and accesses nineties nostalgia. It's the

532
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: cosmic BuzzFeed quiz that's so good and so true. One

533
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: of my favorite astrology based Twitter accounts is stro Poets.

534
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's called astro Poets, but it's really more

535
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: sort of pop culture astrology, and so each tweet almost

536
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: exists as this standalone absurdest point that it's so it's

537
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: so funny and weird that you can't help but love it.

538
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: And so they'll often break down different things like, oh,

539
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: each sign as a Lady Gaga lyric, or each sign

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00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: as a sext. So here's a great example, cancer sexed.

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Speaker 1: It's a whull moon, blinky face scorpio. Yeah it's lit,

542
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: but who is this l O L? So it's absurdest.

543
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: It really doesn't make a lot of sense, but if

544
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: you if it's your sign somehow, every time I see it,

545
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's so met even though it's nonsensical, right, Well,

546
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: they like have these fake conversations, like fake text conversations

547
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: and other sort of celebrity driven absurdities. But man, it's

548
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: hard to pack that much absurdity into a little tweet.

549
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: So that's an impressive poetic feet in and of itself.

550
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna actually appreciate this. And so I always look

551
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: for my astro poet reading things, even though it's just

552
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: a tweet. And just the other day, my reading for

553
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: the week of January says, what is it about passion

554
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: that makes people think that it requires no planning? They

555
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: must not know you? And I thought if Emily read,

556
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: she would say that is perfect for Bridge, and it

557
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: was for me. Again, it's these little funny but true. Yeah,

558
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: it's like these little these little nuggets of humor, sometimes

559
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: absurdest but sometimes very meaningful. I love that. And you

560
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: know what's kind of interesting about modern day astrology writing

561
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: like that is that everyone who's writing it kind of

562
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: does so with a nod nod, wink wink. Amanda Hess

563
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: writes quote, you don't have to actually believe in astrology

564
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: to be into it. That position is best exemplified by

565
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: the Twitter meme quote astrology is fake but and which

566
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: like goes on to say, but isn't this true? You know,

567
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: we all acknowledge that it's bullsh but read into how

568
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: true this is, you know, this sort of like acceptance

569
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: that you don't need to believe it. But oh my god,

570
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: isn't it on point exactly? And you actually just made

571
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: me think of another reason why I love astrology writing

572
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: so much. It's because so much of the writing on

573
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: the Internet takes itself very seriously, is very stuffy, is

574
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: very yeah, it feels very serious, and astrology writing isn't

575
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: that way. To be into astrology, you kind of have

576
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: to be in on that wink wink nod nod vibe.

577
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: And I find that, you know, when I read astrology writing,

578
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: it's usually either meaningful or it's funny, and people it's

579
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: written for people who don't take it too seriously. And

580
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: that's the kind of writing that I want to read.

581
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: And so I just want to underscore that by saying, oftentimes,

582
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: why I am drawn to this, it's because it's good writing,

583
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: it's good content, and it's almost sometimes almost satirical, which

584
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: is actually very different than the sincere advice of traditional

585
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: newspaper astrologers. Amanda Hess says, many successful modern astrologists adopt

586
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: a ride distance to their subject matter. She references the

587
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: cuts resident astrologer who calls herself Madam Clairvoyant, and then

588
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: the poet and essayist Melissa Broder, who offers quote Lenny

589
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: Scopes on Lenny Letter, which read like a slightly sarcastic

590
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: version of the zodiac that undercut the practice even as

591
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: they reinforce it. There's a silly kind of pleasure to

592
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: be taken in twisting scientific data points, birth dates, orbits,

593
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: planetary alignments into little morality plays about our inconsequential personal dramas.

594
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: I love that, Like that is exactly why it's so good.

595
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: It can be. I'm a second all I know, and

596
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: then this is so good. It often taps in to

597
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: something that is absurdist or humorist in a way that

598
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I feel like no one else is really doing. It

599
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: sort of shows us the absurdity of the world, the

600
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: absurdity of our own behavior, and sort of makes fun

601
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: of it in a way that feels both comforting and

602
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: and not a bad way to sort of laugh at

603
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: your place in this planet, you know what I mean. Yeah,

604
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: it's the harm exactly. That's why I love astro poets

605
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: so much because it really does encourage me to laugh

606
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: at some of my own frailties. It will be like

607
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: somewhere Pisces out there has eighteen unread text and I'm like, yeah,

608
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: but sure do like instead of it gives you the

609
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: space to, instead of beating yourself up about something that

610
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: you feel weird about, just sort of laugh at it.

611
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: I love it. Whether you think that astrology is on

612
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: the rise because of the unique star positions for our

613
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: entire generation when we were all born, or because we're

614
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: self obsessed millennials who love to not believe in traditional

615
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: institutions and rather seek out feminine divinity within ourselves, or

616
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: like Amanda has points out, you think that it was

617
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: just made for Instagram and the era of social media,

618
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: or it's a survival technique for how you're coping with

619
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: the era of Trump. I think the rise of horoscopes

620
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: is both non surprising to me and comforting, and I'm

621
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: okay admitting that. I'm very okay admitting it. I was

622
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: a little skittish before this episode to admit it, but

623
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it now, and I think we should

624
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: all be reclaiming things that have been sort of cast

625
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: aside as girly or feminine and and un serious and say, yeah,

626
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: I like this, so we should have Josh and check

627
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: in here and be like, are y'all hearing this? Yeah

628
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: we should. Yes, don't shame me for being into my horoscope.

629
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I've made major life choices. Okay, well

630
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: that actually concerns me. I mean, okay, what do you

631
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: mean by that? What do you mean by that? If

632
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give an example, Oh, perfect example is

633
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: this podcast. So if you know the story of how

634
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: he's got on this podcast together, which is that I

635
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: was out of work. I had been laid off unexpectedly

636
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: from a job that I loved and was sort of

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Speaker 1: in this weird ether of I probably could get another job,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know offers not not sort I'm sure

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Speaker 1: what to do. You called me and said I have

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Speaker 1: a great offer for you. I texted you, yes, I

641
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: was at render. You texted me and said, don't do

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Speaker 1: anything yet, and I want to talk to you. I figure,

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Speaker 1: I said, are you still searching for a job? Do

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Speaker 1: not take anything, Which it's already sounds kind of like

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Speaker 1: the kind of text that you would get, you know,

646
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Speaker 1: and think this is a sign. But then I read

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Speaker 1: my horoscope and it said something about along the lines

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Speaker 1: of accepting new things. You know, the universe is going

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Speaker 1: to provide for you. This is a scary time. And

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Speaker 1: then I got that text from you, and so that

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Speaker 1: made me. You know, I'm the kind of person who's

652
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Speaker 1: a little bit into hippie dippie stuff, so I'm like

653
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Speaker 1: always looking for signs, and I thought, this is a sign.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I'm waiting for one of those signs

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Speaker 1: right now. Myself read those horoscope I'm ready to read

656
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Speaker 1: some horoscopes. And actually, as we wrap up today's episode,

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Speaker 1: now might be a good time for me to confess

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Speaker 1: some news to you all, my beloved Sminty listeners. At

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Speaker 1: the end of this month, I am very sad to

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Speaker 1: say that I will actually be moving on from stuff

661
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: Mom never told you, which is bitter sweet. It's sad.

662
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Speaker 1: I'm really going to miss collaborating with you, Bridget I

663
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: feel like in so many ways we were just getting started.

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Speaker 1: But it's also an opportunity, right, So there's a lot

665
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: of reasons behind this decision, but the primary reality is

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Speaker 1: that I'm trying to bring a lot of focus to

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Speaker 1: my work this year, and Smindy has been an opportunity

668
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Speaker 1: of a lifetime, a privilege and a pleasure. But I'm

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Speaker 1: going to actually be launching a podcast all about career development,

670
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: so all about the work I do it boss Up

671
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: about personal and professional development for women who are navigating

672
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Speaker 1: career transition and considering entrepreneurship from a feminist lens. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: I'm by no means leaving the universe of podcasting, but

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Speaker 1: I am sadly leaving this particular, fabulous, fiercely feminist podcast

675
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: with you, Bridget. But I'm very sad about um. And

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Speaker 1: for those of you who can't join me in Denver

677
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: this month for an in person hang out Sash, I

678
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: want to let you know that I'm actually hosting a

679
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: live webinar at the end of this month just for

680
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: Sinty listeners who want to talk with me directly about

681
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: what's going on this transition and learn a little bit

682
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: more about where I'm headed next in my next venture.

683
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: So if you want to join me on a webinar

684
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: for that live conversation will be me really talking to

685
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: you Sminty listeners about what's happening and where I'm headed next.

686
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: You can go to bost up dot org slash sminty

687
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: that's bossed up dot org slash s m n t

688
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: y and sign up to join me then. But don't worry' all.

689
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: We've got like seven more episodes coming your way this month,

690
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: so I'm not heading anywhere fast. But I do want

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Speaker 1: to say it's been an absolute pleasure and a delight

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Speaker 1: to be a part of this, And I really feel

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00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: like this departure is too soon, um, but hope that

694
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: we can continue Boston up in your earbuds UM soon.

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00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: You can probably tell by my voice I can't. I'm

696
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: it's emotional for me, but I mean, I can't even

697
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: express how much this is meant to me to do

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00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: with you, Emily. UM, I also will be here in

699
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: your earbuds, but you know it's doing this. I there's

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Speaker 1: no one else I would have wanted to go on

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Speaker 1: this venture with. I can't even imagine doing this not

702
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Speaker 1: with you, and You've just it's just been in delight. I'm, I'm,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we sort of just got into our

704
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: groove in a kind of way, and you know, I

705
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: know that you're onto bigger and better as always. But

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Speaker 1: you know this will I feel like this will always

707
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: be your home. I almost this is so silly. I'm sorry.

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00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard. And we've done a few episodes

709
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: where we knew this was going to be the vibe

710
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: and it was difficult. So if you've heard episodes that

711
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: have been recorded recently where you're thinking, oh, their energy

712
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: seems different, that could be why. Because it is hard.

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00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: It's hard, you know, to feel like you're in this

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Speaker 1: with a good friend and then when that good friend

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00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: goes on to do something really cool but not with me,

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00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's like, um, yeah, you get it. Well,

717
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: I have to say that the show will go on,

718
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: and you know, we stepped into some big shoes with

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00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: filling in for Kristen and Caroline, and you are carrying

720
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Speaker 1: the torch like a boss, Bridget, and the show will

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Speaker 1: go on and it will be great. And like we

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00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: said right before the end of the year, what has

723
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Speaker 1: made Stuff I've never told you amazing has always been

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Speaker 1: the listeners. So listen. How Stuff Works is committed to

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Speaker 1: making this show awesome, and you, Bridget, are an awesome

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Speaker 1: part of how they're going to make that happen. So

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Speaker 1: I am sad to be leaving, but the show is

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Speaker 1: not over yet with me, y'all. We've got another bunch

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Speaker 1: of episodes coming your way. But as a reminder, if

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Speaker 1: you do want to talk one and one, learn more

731
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Speaker 1: about my next adventure, and just stay connected and converse

732
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Speaker 1: with me directly about this transition. Boston up dot org.

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Speaker 1: That's b O s s E d up dot org

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Speaker 1: slash Sminty and be on the lookout for Emily's new

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Speaker 1: astrology focused venture. Okay, I wish I had an astrology podcast.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, I would die it should be. I actually

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Speaker 1: have no idea. You were so into this, so I'm

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00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: so happy to hear then started this episode like you

739
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, I'm just gonna roll arize

740
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: and thought this was going to be me defending my

741
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: interest in astrology and you talking about why it's b

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Speaker 1: S and then all the listeners being like Emily's right, Bridget,

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Speaker 1: Bridget shouldn't be in a strategy. Astrology is dumb, and

744
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: then you feeling sad for a week. He looked so

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00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: vindicated when I was like, oh, I went to a

746
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: palm reader too. I never thought, Yeah, that was that

747
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. I was happy with that, but

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Speaker 1: it's like me as a virgo, it's so not like you.

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Speaker 1: You know, who else is a virgo? Obviously she's like

750
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: virgo idols. First time I met you, I knew you

751
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Speaker 1: were a Virgo. I knew it. I'm not kidding. I

752
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: thought in my head you are a virgo and you

753
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: are a I am. Okay, y'all, we want to hear

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00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: from you. We should wrap this episode up, but yes,

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00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: let's keep talking about our zodiac. Um So, sminty listeners,

756
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: where do you fall on this pseudo science, new wave

757
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: substitute for religion for millennials? How do you feel about

758
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: reading your horoscope? What does astrology like? What's your take

759
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: on all this? We can't wait to hear from you,

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00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: So hit us up on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast,

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at stuff Mom Never Told You, And as always,

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Speaker 1: our inbox is open at mom Stuff at how stuff

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Speaker 1: works dot com