1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: The Carol Markowitz Show now airs Wednesdays and Fridays, so 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: you can get this non political podcast The Carol Markwood 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Show on Wednesday and Friday, and then normally the political 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: podcast I co hosted Mary Katherine Ham every Tuesday and Thursday, 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: you Only Don't Get Me. On Mondays last episode, I 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: talked about the Lily Phillips story out of the UK. 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: She's an OnlyFans personality, let's call her, who had sex 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: with one hundred and one men in one day. A 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: lot has been said about her, but I talked about 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: the loneliness of the men who would participate in such 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: a thing, and I ended up writing about it for 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: The New York Post. In yesterday's paper as well, I 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: wrote the lore of OnlyFans is it offers a false 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: sense of intimacy. Instead of scrolling through porn as a 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: means to an end, a man who pays an OnlyFans 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: model gets to feel like he knows the object of 18 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: his desire. The woman can pay wall some of their 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: content to make it exclusive for certain subscribers, and these 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: private interactions are the draw they establish a feeling of connection, 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: of intimacy even when none exists. Fans can pay to 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: text message with the models, or even talk to them. 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: A phone call with Phillips costs one hundred British pounds 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: a minute. Pay even more, and she'll make customized content 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: using her benefactor's name. Why would any man pay so 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: much for a few minutes of conversation with a pretty girl? 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: The answer because many are overwhelmingly unbearably alone. End quote. 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: To put a finer point on it, The sensation of 29 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: only fans is similar to a guy who leaves a 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: strip club convinced that the stripper likes him. 31 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: He's put himself. 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Into a position to get fleeced, and not just for 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: the usual price of a night out at a gentleman's club. 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: If you have a friend, for example, who tells you 35 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: the stripper like sim you'll know that she almost certainly 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: does not. But only fans makes that same sensation happen. 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: It establishes a pretend connection between people. You can be 38 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: opposed to porn, but porn is preferable to this only 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: fans thing. Porn is a lot of bad things, but 40 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: it's not a lie. I feel like men have been 41 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: so marginalized in the last decade, and I hear this 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: from people all the time, about themselves or about their 43 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: grown sons, about how hard it is to meet someone 44 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: and how difficult that process is. Yes, of course it's 45 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: hard for women to meet quality men. But what I 46 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: hear from men is that it's hard to meet anyone, 47 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: quality or not, and this is why they turn to 48 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: only fans and to situations like this one with Lily Phillips. 49 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: These are men with no other options. I tried to 50 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: treat the men respectfully in my article, but people insisted 51 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: on misunderstanding it as me blaming them. I wrote, we 52 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: expect men to just be okay always, despite a lot 53 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: of evidence that they clearly are not. Phillips certainly seems broken. 54 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: Her tears give it away. Having blank anonymous sex with 55 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: scores of men isn't fun or empowering. None of it 56 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: seems glamorous or cool. It's sad and pathetic for her, yes, 57 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: but very much for her men as well, who are 58 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: desperately seeking intimacy and finding only emptiness. 59 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: End quote. 60 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: Like a lot of the things that we talk about 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: on this show, beating back, this kind of thing starts 62 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: early and it has to start at home. If you've 63 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 1: heard about this story and thought to yourself, oh, I'd 64 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: hate if that was my daughter, but not I'd hate 65 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: if one of those guys was my son, ask yourself, 66 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: why why do we think men can just do stuff 67 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: like this and then just shake it off. 68 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: And be fine. 69 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: I've seen no evidence that that's true. I also mentioned 70 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: in the article that people are blaming manisphere types like 71 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate for this. That's just nonsense. I think Tate 72 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: is not only a terrible role model, but someone who 73 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: gives awful advice to men, like don't get married, don't 74 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: settle down with one woman. But he's not advising men 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: to go be one of one hundred. In fact, I 76 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: think a lot of what he says is go yourself, 77 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: have one hundred women. But the issue here is that 78 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: these men. 79 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: Don't have any women. 80 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: They don't have one woman, that don't have one hundred women, 81 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: they don't have any of it. But still Tate is 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: not the problem here. Tate is not giving them the 83 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: advice to go do this kind of thing. We're aiming 84 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: at the wrong villains. Men should be advised from an 85 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: early age about the importance of marriage, and family, and 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: I feel like we're. 87 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: Just not doing that. 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: We're doing it a little bit to women, but even 89 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: that is falling off, and we're talking about it a 90 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: lot less with our girls. You know, when I tell 91 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: people that I see college, for example, as a place 92 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: for my kids to meet their hopefully future spouse or 93 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: make lifelong friends, I see it as more of like 94 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: a social thing. They think I'm crazy, and they think 95 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 1: that career should be put far above the potential meeting 96 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: of a spouse, and I just don't see it that way. 97 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: Men have to be told, and they have to be 98 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: shown how to find that marriage and family, how to 99 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: maintain it, how to help it flourish. We're missing out 100 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: in the conversations with boys, and they're picking up the 101 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: wrong lessons elsewhere. Thanks for listening. Coming up my interview 102 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: with Mary Margaret Olahan. But first, the Christmas and Hanukah 103 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: season is a time of hope and peace for many 104 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: of us, but for those in Israel facing the ongoing war, 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: it is a time of fear and uncertainty. The hardships 106 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: are felt by everyone, with many people struggling to afford 107 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: food and basic necessities during this holiday season. 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So 126 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: I have to ask you. 127 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: I feel like you're a very sunny person on Twitter. 128 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: Is that accurate? You would say, I try to be. 129 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: I do try to be. 130 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: So I asked that because I think, you know, your 131 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: book to Trends is sort of like a really heavy 132 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: topic and having to hear sort of stories of people 133 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: who have really lived through some serious trauma, and I 134 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: mean trauma in the original sense, not in the TikTok sense. 135 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: So how was that for you? How was writing that book? Well, 136 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: it was actually much more challenging than I imagined. I mean, 137 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: I write for a living. I spend all my time 138 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: reporting stories, and when I decided to do this book, 139 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: my thought was, Okay, this is not going to be 140 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: that hard. This is what I do every single day, 141 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 2: especially since I was literally interviewing the transitioners and telling 142 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: their stories. So I think in my I thought this 143 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: will be like a prolonged investigative story, and I wasn't 144 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: totally wrong, But I don't think I realized how emotional 145 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: it would be for me, you know, and I probably 146 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: sound a little selfish saying that, considering the tragedy that 147 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: these young people have been through, But you know, I 148 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: was on the phone for hours and hours and hours 149 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: with all the young people in my book. Chloe Cole, 150 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: Pretty Somsley Luca abel I even had kind of conference 151 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: calls with some of their parents and witnessed some really emotionable, 152 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: raw moments that I wasn't expecting that I didn't report 153 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: in the book just because it wasn't really necessarily my 154 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: story to share. So on some of these things, it really, 155 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: you know, you got to take a little time for 156 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: yourself and think about it and pray for these people 157 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 2: and make sure that they're getting the help that they need. 158 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: And like you were saying, I try to be a 159 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: pretty cheerful person. I'm from a family of eleven kids. 160 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: I'm the oldest girl, so when I go home, it's 161 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: very much just you know, happy chaos and everyone's hanging out. 162 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: And I did write a big chunk of the book 163 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: at home, and I have younger siblings who aren't really 164 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: supposed to know about these topics yet, just because they're kids. 165 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: So I'd be writing in the dining room and my 166 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: little sister would come in and say, what are you 167 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: writing about? Mark, And I'd be like, oh, I'm sorry, 168 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: Like I don't really I can't tell you. You got 169 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: to go out. So that was all a challenge, but 170 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: in the end, I'm really glad that I got to 171 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: be the vehicle for these stories, and I'm really happy 172 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: that they shared their stories with me, because this is 173 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: so important, and as we're seeing right now, there were 174 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: so many factors at play that brought these issues to 175 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: a national and international level now, and thankfully they're getting 176 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: the attention they deserve. 177 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: Was there one story in particular and that stayed with 178 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: you or were they all just sort of, you know, powerful. 179 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: They're all really powerful. But I think the story that 180 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 2: has I guess haunted me, you could say, is different 181 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: aspects of Pricia Mosley's life. She was actually at the 182 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: Supreme Court a few days ago where I was speaking 183 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: with her when the court was hearing a case in 184 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: US versus Scurmeeti on Tennessee's law banning transgender procedures for kids, 185 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: and Pricio was there to talk about her experience trying 186 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: to transition and then obviously realizing that's impossible and having 187 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: to grapple with how that impacted her physically and mentally. 188 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: But she told me a really, really sad story. And 189 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 2: this is fairly common for young people who are attempting 190 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: gender transitions to have a sexual assault in their past. 191 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: Pricio was raped when she was a teenager and she 192 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: became pregnant as a result of that rape. And she 193 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: didn't tell me this the first time we talked. She 194 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: told me, I would say a couple of different conversations later, 195 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: and she shared with me that when she was raped, 196 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: she became pregnant and miscarried the baby because she was 197 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: severely inarexix, so she couldn't sustain the pregnancy. And of course, 198 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: you know, this was not something that her gender activists 199 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: or doctors would take into consideration down the line when 200 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: she was talking about her trauma or her inarexia. You know, 201 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: something absolutely should be considered when you're talking to a 202 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: young person about whether they're going to try and attempt 203 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 2: a gender transition. But Pricia told me that the miscarriage 204 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: haunted her and she was so sad that she couldn't 205 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: carry her baby. And one day she was out on 206 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: a walk and she found a little rock on the 207 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 2: ground that was in the shape of a little baby, 208 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: and it reminded her of the baby that she miscarried, 209 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: so she put it in a box and would carry 210 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: it around with her and you know, remember her baby 211 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: that way. And when she told me this story, she 212 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: was very emotional and made me cry, and I just 213 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: I reported that story in the book, and I I 214 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: was so sad for her about that. And right when 215 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: the book came out, I found out that she was 216 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: pregnant and that she was having a baby. And she 217 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: did have that baby. It's a beautiful little boy. And 218 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: so she became a mother. And she's had all kinds 219 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: of complications from that pregnancy and trying to nurse and 220 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: things like that. But what a gift, you know, what 221 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: a beautiful gift that she was able to have a 222 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: baby after everything she's been through. It's amazing. Just I 223 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: thought that was amazing. 224 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: Do you see a light at the end of this 225 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: tunnel or are we still very much. 226 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: In the dark? I absolutely see a light at the 227 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: end of this tunnel. That's part of the reason that 228 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to write this book, and part of the 229 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: reason that, you know, I don't find it incredibly depressing 230 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: to talk about, because there have been lawmakers all over 231 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: our country enacting legislation to protect children. And I think 232 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: perhaps the greatest indicator of the light at the end 233 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: of the tunnel is the twenty twenty four election, where 234 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: so many Americans went to the poll specifically on this issue. 235 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: You know, I did a really big investigative story for 236 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: Daily Wire in October, I think, and I talked to 237 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: all these people in the Trump campaign. I talked to 238 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: all these activists who have been part of the movement 239 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: against gender ideology about how Trump came to message so 240 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: aggressively on the transgender issues. And what we reported was 241 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: that this is a grassroots led movement of parents and 242 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: activists and de transitioners who made the Trump campaign and 243 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: Republicans realize that this is not just a we don't 244 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: just have a moral high ground on this issue. It's 245 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: politically expedient to lean into it. And I think that 246 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: Combo has been massive in helping people understand, you're not crazy. 247 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: We are talking about what you think we're talking about, 248 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: and this is very very wrong and out of line 249 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: with American sentiment. And just from there on out, it's 250 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,239 Speaker 2: been amazing to see. Yeah, it's interesting. 251 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: I also think that that's a bright light. It's so 252 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: interesting how many people had their eyes opened during this election. 253 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: And I get it, people don't follow the news super closely. 254 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: I remember, like I would say, maybe like ten twelve 255 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: years ago. I don't remember exactly it might have been 256 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: even as much as fifteen. There was a story like, 257 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, man gives birth and I was like, whoa, 258 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: how did this happen? And then it was like, oh, 259 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: it's not a man, I see now. But like you know, 260 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: when you see that story, even I, who was like 261 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, really into the news world, really into the 262 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: media world for a second there, I was like, they've 263 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: made a breakthrough. 264 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: Like I know, I remember thinking the same thing, and 265 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: I thought that's insane, like how could a man do that? 266 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: And when you look at it and you're like, well, 267 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: it's literally not mixed. Yeah, and this story is a lie. 268 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: It's just so all of that, I think. 269 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: And then you know the idea that when people heard 270 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: Trump say that Kamala Harris wanted to give free sex 271 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: change operation by legal immigrant criminals, that was such an 272 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: eye opener because it sounded so made up. 273 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: It was like, not, but you would do that. 274 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: And I turned out that she did believe that, and 275 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: that they had video about that, and that. 276 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: She considered it important to the movement. But it wasn't 277 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: just a fringe thing. 278 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: She thought it was central to what the work was 279 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: that she wanted to do. I think that was a 280 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: real turning point, and. 281 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: I absolutely that's where we moved forward from here. Absolutely 282 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: that I'm glad you brought that up because that I've 283 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: written about the ad that the Trump campaign put out 284 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: on Kamala extensively. That ad was there not only their 285 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: most viewed ad, or it was not only the ad 286 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: they put the most money behind. It was their most 287 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: viewed ad. And they played it during football games, which 288 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: was genius honestly, because they're reaching so many Americans who, 289 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: like you, were saying, you're just to sit there and 290 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: say what, Yeah, who would support that? Why this is 291 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: a reason? Yeah, exactly. And there was on Charlemagne the God, 292 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: that podcaster I don't know if I'm saying his name right, 293 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna urderse myself. He reacted to the ad on 294 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: his podcast with his with his friends and they were 295 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: all saying, this is insane. And the Trump campaign used 296 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: their reaction in another app so smart yeah, which it 297 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: was all so smart. And I remember seeing the New 298 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: York Times reporting that Democratic pollsters internally, we're looking at 299 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: those ads and saying this is this is bad, like 300 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: this is going to impact us really badly. And I 301 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: believe Bill Clinton himself was telling people internally, we got 302 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: to address this. This isn't going to go over well. 303 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: And the Harris campaign solution was to just ignore and 304 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: pretend that everything was fine. And meanwhile, her allies, the 305 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: ACLU and all these radical groups that I write about 306 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: all the time were saying no, no, no, we need more 307 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: where where's where's your campaign promises on this topic. So 308 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: she was really in a pinch theare where she had 309 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: to Yeah, be as. 310 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: Cayla Harris twenty twenty four, I had to run against 311 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris twenty twenty It was a tough, you know, tough. 312 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: Road for her to walk, absolutely but good. 313 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad that they she was held accountable for crazy 314 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: things that she said in the past, and I think 315 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: that that's important to do on political campaign. She didn't 316 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: go through a primary, so it happened during the general 317 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: and that's too bad for her, but that's how it goes. 318 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true. So what do you worry about? 319 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: What's your top of your concern list? 320 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: Well, like I was saying earlier, I'm from a really 321 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: big family. I'm the oldest girl, so I kind of 322 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: helped raise a lot of my siblings, and I'm really 323 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: grateful my parents were very hyper about technology and the 324 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: Internet and all of these things. But as a culture reporter, 325 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: which I think I partially got into this because I 326 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: was so invested in children and the protection of children's innocence, 327 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: which might sound kind of high full, but what I'm 328 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: talking about is like internet, abortion, gender, all these things 329 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: that people are pushing on kids nowadays and stealing their adolescence. 330 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: So I get really worried. 331 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Especially they wrote a book called Stolen Youth, so I feel. 332 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 2: And I love that book literally about this, you know. 333 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know, I don't have kids myself. 334 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: I would love to someday, but in the meantime, I 335 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: just I see all this content that kids are consuming, 336 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: and whether it's gender content or racial content, political content, 337 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: even the bare minimum, just young girls on TikTok or 338 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: Instagram seeing women portrayed as these very highly sexualized, unattainable, 339 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: beautiful things. That's part of the reason that a lot 340 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: of the girls in my book transitioned, because they're looking 341 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: at these women on Instagram thinking I don't look anything 342 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: like that, and then they're seeing women portrayed in pornography 343 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: as these you know, over sexualized women who are degraded 344 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 2: and humiliated. And they told me, they said, I don't 345 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: want anything like that. I didn't want any part in that. 346 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 2: So that's gars me a lot, the way that you know, 347 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: a child's in a sentence and adolescence can be hijacked 348 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 2: by people that we don't even know. And so you know, 349 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm I try and help my parents with our siblings 350 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: and make sure that they're protected in those ways and 351 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: having how happy and healthy adolescence. But in my reporting too, 352 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: I like to focus on things like that, like sex education. 353 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: I know, you know how crazy all of that has become, 354 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 2: and how our children's childhood is being taken away from 355 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: them when they should be allowed to just grow and 356 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: enjoy life and have sleepovers. And you know, me silly 357 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: at the mall that those things don't happen necessarily anymore. 358 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: It's like Chitty Chitty bang bang Land these days. You 359 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: don't see kids that much anymore. So though, that is 360 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 2: what I worry about. I also, you know, as a 361 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 2: culture reporter, I see how a lot of dating and 362 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 2: I first relationships are being impacted these days. If you 363 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: look at the statistics on gen Z and how much 364 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: they're actually dating. It's not happening very much. I see 365 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: from younger kids I talk to, or my younger sisters 366 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 2: how they struggle to even flirt with each other. Right, 367 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: all of these things concern me, and I think it's 368 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: so important to find community and to have like minded 369 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: families near you the way my family did growing up. 370 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: So those are a little bit of a brain dump 371 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: of all the things that I've been keeping an eye 372 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: on that concern me. But I will stay on the 373 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: flip side. There are beautiful communities of families who are 374 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: like minded that are trying to raise their kids the 375 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: same way. They're not letting their kids have phones, they're 376 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: not on it, they're monitoring internet usage, and they're making 377 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 2: sure their kids are hanging out with other great kids. 378 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: And that really is inspiring to me and gives me 379 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: hope more with Mary. 380 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: Margaret Olahan coming up. But first, Americans are tired and 381 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: from frustrated by a stalling economy, inflation, endless wars, and 382 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: the relentless assault on our values. 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And we have six boys, five girls, 409 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, I was along for all of those, 410 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: all of those kids except my older brother because I'm 411 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: number two. And now he has his first born, a son, 412 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: and my sister just got married, so we're starting to 413 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: expand into another generation. It's amazing. It's such a gift, 414 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: I think, you know, I would say my siblings are 415 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: the greatest blessing in my life. My sisters are my 416 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: best friends. And I'm so grateful to my parents for 417 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: everything they sacrifice, because you know, it is a sacrifice. 418 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: You give up, you know, certain vacations or cars to 419 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: have so many kids, and I know it's been stressful 420 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: for them at times, but it's a huge blessing. And 421 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: holidays are so much fun. I'm excited to go home 422 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: for Christmas. 423 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 3: Amazing. 424 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: Do you want a similarly large family or in the range? 425 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: I would love to as any kids as God sends me. 426 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: I just need a husband first. That does's work on that. 427 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: We're taking applications. 428 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: So what advice would you give a sixteen year old 429 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: Mary Margaret Well. 430 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 2: Sixteen year old Mary Margaret loved to write, but she 431 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: thought that that wasn't applicable to her future life life. 432 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: I think even fourteen year old thirteen year old Mary 433 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 2: Margaret was writing fiction on her big, massive computer in 434 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: our family room, and I was plagiarizing the heck out 435 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: of all these little women Titanic stories. But I would 436 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: say I loved writing, I thought there was nothing I 437 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: could do with that, and I didn't really understand how 438 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: to funnel my interests and talents. And I know in 439 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: college I kind of struggled to find my place academically. 440 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: I just didn't really enjoy the subjects I was engaging in. 441 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: And I guess I would tell younger Mary Margaret that 442 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 2: you should lean into your passions. It's good to lean 443 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: into the things that you're good at. And I try 444 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 2: and tell my younger sisters than any younger girls that 445 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: come to me for help becoming a journalist, I say, 446 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: it's good to write about what you care about. That 447 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: makes you better journalist. It makes you more invested and 448 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 2: more passionate. And you know, I wish that I had 449 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: interned in journalists roles in college. But I'm happy where 450 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: I am now, But I do think that we don't 451 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: put enough focus on encouraging young people to do what 452 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: they're good at, you know. 453 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: Interesting because like so I I've talked about this on 454 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: the show before, but I always wanted to be a writer. 455 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I was just like, I want. 456 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: To be a writer, but I'm an immigrant, and my 457 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: parents were like, writers, that's not a thing, Like, nobody 458 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: becomes a writer. You can be a doctor, you can 459 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: be a lawyer, and at the time, you could be 460 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: in Russian computer computer programmer. 461 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: Right. So it's funny because. 462 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: I always assumed, like, you know, the kids who were 463 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 1: born here were encouraged to do whatever, you know, like 464 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: they already. 465 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: Were encouraged to be whatever they want. 466 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: And that their path would be sort of, if not easier, 467 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: at least more clear, whereas my parents were like, writing, 468 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: you're going to be like Rank Street and that's insane. 469 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: You can't do that. So it took me a really 470 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: long time to get to even the idea that I 471 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: could do this. 472 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, No, I think maybe mine was a little 473 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: self inflicted. My parents always were very supportive. In fact, 474 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 2: I was homeschooled, so my mom was the one that 475 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 2: taught me how to write, and my dad was an 476 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 2: English major. In college, I was an English major. But 477 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: I think looking at occupations that it's definitely an American 478 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: mindset of make money. You know, that's how people this 479 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 2: bype of but. 480 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: That's the I mean, I'm very pro making money, but 481 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: being a writer is just like any other job, like 482 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: you can make money at it. To me, it seemed 483 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: so like my parents were so that you're going to 484 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: be living in a hovel. 485 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah no, And I think it takes a little bit 486 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: to take a step back and to say this is 487 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: something I want to pursue because it's scary. It's being 488 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: a writer is definitely a more creative process. When I 489 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: started working for The Daily Caller in twenty nineteen, I 490 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 2: think I took a pay cut actually from my former job, 491 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: but I knew that it was something that I wanted 492 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 2: to pursue as I was radicalized by the Kavanugh hearings 493 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 2: and I thought, I don't want to be reacting to 494 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: the news anymore. I want to be part of it, 495 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: and I want to be pursuing stories and writing it myself. 496 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 2: And it was I'm really I'm so grateful that I 497 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 2: did that and my family supported me. They definitely were 498 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: a little like, what are you doing? But they're so 499 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: sweet and supportive. My brother Daniel is sixteen now, but 500 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: as for as long as I can remember now, since 501 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: I started writing, he's the one he watches all my 502 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: news heads. He'll I have pictures of him sitting in 503 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: our family room and seriously looking at the TV while 504 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: I talk about something he probably doesn't even understand. But 505 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: it's just my family's very supportive and very grateful to 506 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: them for that, and to my mom, who I remember 507 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: crying when she was teaching me how to write paragraphs 508 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: and she was at, they're going to be haschoo week. No, 509 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: she probably was like, but she was like, you're gonna 510 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: be happy someday that I taught you how to do this, 511 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 2: And I remember thinking, no, I'm I think paragraphs are 512 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: sort of out right now. 513 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: I think that, like I see all the time, articles 514 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: are moving away from paragraphs and into just like individual sentences. 515 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: So maybe you learned that all for nothing anyway. So 516 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: another think I want to go back to that you mentioned, 517 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: because we talk about it a lot on the show 518 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: is the dating world. 519 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 2: It's what's wrong with it. What is the problem. 520 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: Why is it so difficult for dating to happen right now? 521 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: Why can't people flirt anymore? You mentioned that what went wrong? Well, 522 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 2: we're gonna get really serious about this. I would say 523 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: the sexual revolution has massively degraded our ability to interact 524 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: with each other as men and women. But currently in 525 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, I think the Internet has really stunted 526 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: our ability to talk to each other. You know, I 527 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: was talking to someone in their they were in their 528 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: fifties the other day about the topic, and they were saying, well, 529 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: this is the The Internet should enable you all to 530 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: speak to each other so much more easily, like there's 531 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: so much better access. But I would argue that the 532 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: Internet has made people feel like there's too many choices, 533 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: and especially for men, there's so many beautiful women out there. 534 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: The idea that the Internet really pushes, I would say, 535 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: is that there's an unlimited beautiful women that you can 536 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: have access to, and you might be missing out if 537 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: you settle down. And of course, then hookup culture plays 538 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: a role in all of this. I would argue that 539 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: women should say no much more often. You know, cultures 540 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: are built on women's ability to say no, and women 541 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: don't really say no anymore. There's a fear of being alone. 542 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: There's a fear of not being enough, and a lot 543 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: of our struggles, I would say, and dating and maybe 544 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: even marriage, although I can't speak to that is a 545 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: fear not being enough if you're being alone. And I 546 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: would argue that a lot of women don't know how 547 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: to be treated anymore. They don't have necessarily good father's, 548 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: good role modules that can tell them this is how 549 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 2: you should be treated, that can model for them, this 550 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: is how your boyfriend or husband should treat you. And 551 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: there's not enough resources for women to look to. You know, 552 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: you go on TikTok, you get all kinds of advice 553 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: about how to date, not going to be good. Don't 554 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: listen to TikTok. Ladies don't listen. It's very toxic, very 555 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: very It's awful. And then I would say one of 556 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: my pet peeves is TikTok and Instagram really encourage men 557 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: and women to just flaunt themselves instead of to just 558 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: live real lives and interact. One of my girlfriends and 559 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: I pet peeves lately is this inclination of men to 560 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: post like women or to promote themselves like women. I mean, yeah, 561 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, it's vanity is much more forgivable in women 562 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: than the sad but true. 563 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: You know, when a man has too many selfiees. 564 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: You're like, what are you doing exactly? Or a day 565 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: in the life, and you know you picture him setting 566 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: up the tripod to film himself. You think, oh no, 567 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: this is this is not right. So there's a lot 568 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: of that going on. And I think you can take 569 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: a step back from social media and meet people in 570 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: real life, people who aren't spending their whole life promoting 571 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: themselves on social media. That's definitely a step in the 572 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: right direction. But we need more uh less self centered, 573 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: less uh less fixation on who's surprise and who's not 574 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: a more did love and respect? 575 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: I love that It sounds old fashioned, but it really 576 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: kind of isn't like love and respect? 577 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: What concepts? You know? Right? So I've loved this conversation. 578 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: This has been really great. 579 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners 580 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: on how they can improve their lives. 581 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: Oh oh wow, that's a's a great one. I mean 582 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: I would say for me, as the Catholic, I try 583 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: and get to Daley Nass. That is the biggest life 584 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: improvement that I have experienced. I guess I would say 585 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: stay close to your faith, whatever that might be, and 586 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: lean into that because you won't forget it. I love it. 587 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: She's Mary Margaret Olahan. 588 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: Her book is called d trans True Stories of Escaping 589 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: the Gender Ideology Cult. 590 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Mary Margaret. 591 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: This has been great. Thank you so much, Carol, thanks 592 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: so much for joining us on the Carol marko Wich Show. 593 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.