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Speaker 1: and we're gonna start off by talking about UM ghetto

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Speaker 1: in patient facilities and six clinic in Chicago alone close

428
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: and with your services available, more people struggling with psychoses

429
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: have been pushed into the streets, I think, and I

430
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: think this is both in terms of not having beds

431
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: to sleep in and push into the streets with regards

432
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: to criminality. Um and these days and mirror national trends

433
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: between two that and nine and twelve, state like just

434
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: the state legislatures around the country cut four points three

435
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: five billion dollars in services for people with psychiatric problems,

436
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: even while the need for services increased. So that explains

437
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: the fucking music bro Like, god dammn, you got bigas

438
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: out here shooting kids of each other, going to jail

439
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: for it, being retraumatized with that experience, getting now doing

440
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: it again, all because you know, there's this tight link

441
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 1: between uh, commodification of basic needs, privatization, expansion of jails,

442
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: and just creating and sustaining the cycle that we're talking,

443
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: we're hearing and talked about in so much of the music.

444
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: How do we get access the treatment and resources? One

445
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: side of it is acts as a treatment and resources

446
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: logic certainly seems to think so. As you may recall,

447
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, Logic partnered with the National Suicide Prevention

448
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Hotline on his song one eight hundred to seven three

449
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: eight to five five, known colloquially as one eight hundred,

450
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: which is the number for the hotline. The first hook

451
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: and verse of the song is from the perspective of

452
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: someone who is calling the hotline and they want to

453
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: admit suicide. This is followed by a second chorus where

454
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: the protagonists ostensively finds the will to live again. So

455
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: this hotline that he parted with, it's funded by the U. S.

456
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Speaker 1: Suthens Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, which is an

457
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: agency within the U S. Department of Health and Human

458
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: Services um UH SAMSA I guess as you could call it.

459
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration was established

460
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: by Congress in when operating ever since, expanding through some

461
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: pieces of federal legislation over the years. But in the

462
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: week's fall release, calls directed to the National Suicide Prevention

463
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: Hotline rose by and visits to their website increase from

464
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand to four thousand. Over the following months,

465
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: um the hotline told things of the Rolling Stone that

466
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: they received the second highest daily call volume ever. It's

467
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: over four thousand calls on the day that the song

468
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: was released. So it really save some lives. You literally

469
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: save us the lives. I mean a lot of people

470
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: talk about how hip hop save their lives and like,

471
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm one of those folks too that they definitely would

472
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: not be here today if it was not for hip hop.

473
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: But this nick out here literally like savor lines like

474
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: you call this number and you know, and help people.

475
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: But that that's the thing, you know, it's the thing

476
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: that we always It's kind of like a recurring theme

477
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: on this show is it's like when rappers have something

478
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: to say and they put it in a song, it's

479
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's just more effective than anything you say

480
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: in any interview. It's just that's just what it comes

481
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: down to you. I firmly believe that, Yeah, it gets

482
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: into your psyche and has this level of credibility that

483
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: you can't find even if you go see a mental

484
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: health professional, like talking to a therapist that might seem

485
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: scared to you, but logic telling you to caul this

486
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: hotline is something that seems accessible and trustworthy. Now we

487
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: got a British rapper Dave and his debuse debut solo

488
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: album Psychodrama, which won the brit Award for Album of

489
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: the Year Now. The album followed Dave's therapy session. He

490
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: discusses his older brothers and the impact of their prison

491
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: the prison convictions had him, as well as his struggles

492
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: with mental health and the challenges facing black working class

493
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: used in britt We've talked a lot about the environmental

494
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: impacts on mental health um with regards to access to

495
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: resources for stability in the community, but the song environment

496
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of also proved that making it out doesn't necessarily

497
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: heal trauma or bring fulfillment necessarily. Let's listen to it

498
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: real quick. Welcome from there's no clause to get truth.

499
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: We've got out. So he's talking about, you know, it's

500
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: got the flashy cars and the gold chain, but really

501
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: what he sees the lack of self worth and battle scars,

502
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: the way that people use these material possessions um ostentiously

503
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: to hide what's really going on underneath. And like all

504
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: throughout the songs talking about kind of like running from

505
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: your problems by seeking out material comforts, be they you

506
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: know what it wealth or talk about you know, having

507
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: sexual groupies or whatever you gotta do to like avoid

508
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: dealing with what you feel underneath yeah, different different forms

509
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: of yeah dope. Effectively, this is similar to this kind

510
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: of was the same sort of theme throughout Tyler the

511
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: Creator's last album called Me If You Get Lost, just

512
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: like that simp concept of I'm feeling sad, I'm gonna

513
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: go buy a car today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly UM

514
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: and then UM. At the end of the song, it

515
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: ends with a rebuttal from his therapist, so the beat

516
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: drops out and he hears theres kind of respond like

517
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: I can't remember um, and then we got We've got

518
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: a number of people actually talk about UM going to

519
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: therapy asat rock and His song Shrunk Up of his

520
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen album The Impossible Kid discusses navigating

521
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy of mental health care. Um. He starts out

522
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: filling out a form at the front desk and sitting

523
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: awkwardly in the waiting room, and then recounts a combative

524
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: conversation with the therapist, most finally in her office. In fact,

525
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: in the music video for the song, his visit to

526
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: the therapist office is recast is like a video game

527
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: where he has to beat various bosses in order to

528
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: get to the therapist, who he then engages in a

529
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: final boss battle. Let's check out a little bit of that.

530
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: My medical history is the course Sooner Buffalo Charlottean Psychiatry

531
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: and trouble Suiting. What are the barriers to accessing mental

532
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: health care? Yeah, well, he talks about some of them

533
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: in the song, like filling out the paperwork and making

534
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: sure it's some covered by your insurance. And it's it's

535
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: simple things like taking time off work to go to

536
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: get the appointment. Um, and the fear of like when

537
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: you sit down in that chair in the person's office,

538
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: having to bear your soul. It's not an easy thing.

539
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of institutional barriers in addition to

540
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: like the psycho social ones. Um, I mean ship some

541
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: real talk about my own personal experience real quick. Um.

542
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm on Medicaid because I don't have insurance to my

543
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: employer anymore. I used to have it through the University

544
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: of Georgia. And um, I've been on I've been on

545
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: medication for like I guess almost a couple of years now,

546
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: for like depression, YadA YadA, Dad YadA YadA. Um, Well

547
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: it turns out it's uh, it wasn't there a Medicaid

548
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to cover it, and so when I went

549
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: to just you know, just go get it refilled a

550
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, they were like, Hey, that's gonna

551
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: be twelve hundred dollars um as opposed to the fifteen

552
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: I have been paying for the last like two years. Um.

553
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: So I'm running back and forth between like my psychiatrists

554
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: and my doctor trying to get the right paperwork, you know,

555
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: rationing my medication because you know, like about to run

556
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: out and then running out entirely, all while also trying

557
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: to like have the will to call the psychiatrist back

558
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: and be like, Yo, did you fill that paperwork today?

559
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: Can I go pick up my meds today? Imagining like

560
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: if I hadn't had social support to like go jump

561
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: through all those hoops, A lot of people don't, and

562
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people do end up like just ending

563
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: it like like, nah, I can't handle I can't handle

564
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: stay on the phone with these insurance people. I can't handle.

565
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have the money to like I like,

566
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: I got to the point where I was like, I'm

567
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: about to put in my credit card right now and

568
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: get the ship, because like this is getting really bad,

569
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: like imagining the both the financial and the bureaucratic barriers access.

570
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: It's not even imagining. It's like, yo, I'm ship. It's

571
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: brutal um. So I can totally understand why people don't

572
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: even want to, like they don't even know what it's like,

573
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: but assume it's too hard and don't even try to

574
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: get out to get help. I mean, if I can

575
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: be candid, that's kind of my situation right now. You know.

576
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: It's like I've for a long time I've wanted to

577
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: talk to somebody about my dad. Just my father passed away.

578
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: I didn't really take the time to process or grieve properly,

579
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I just kind of kept

580
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: going on business as usual. So lately, the older than

581
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: getting it's like, man, I think I should finally sit

582
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: down and talk to somebody, But because I'm already busy,

583
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: like the additional hurdles of like everything that you said,

584
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: from setting it up to all the paperwork, to taking

585
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: the time off of the things that I'm doing to

586
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: do it, It's just it's hard, you know. You know

587
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and like I have, I have a

588
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: relatively mild case of it because like I just kind

589
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: of feel like I need to talk to someone, you

590
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean, My ship doesn't feel like a

591
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: life or death issue, but there's millions of people who are, yeah,

592
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: and and little issues. I mean, yours is not small,

593
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: let me clarify. But things that go on treated for

594
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: a while can compound. So I'd be thinking, you know,

595
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm handling this well for a while, but you don't

596
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: actually like the process that ship can build up, you know,

597
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: And so something that wasn't rapping and not talking to

598
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: somebody for the last eight years, she she, she, let's

599
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: talk about some of the other reasons why people don't

600
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: get help. So we talked a little bit about stigma, um,

601
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: which you know, people are scared of, not like backlash,

602
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: of being honest, you know, being honest with their employer,

603
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: being honest with their friends and family, being judged for

604
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: what they're going there rather than support it. Um. And

605
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: we spoke some as well about the normalization of of

606
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: of emotional like inner turmoil, the assumption that everyone feels

607
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: this way. UM. I definitely before I started like doing therapy,

608
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: like thought that I feel like, oh, the like morbid

609
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: thoughts I would have, or like whatever struggles I was

610
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: going through every what went through them, and then I

611
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: would like talk to someone. UM. Remember one time I

612
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: made my friend cry. I was just like talking. I

613
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, I've had this on my

614
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: mind and that on my mind and not feeling great,

615
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: and she like sobbed hearing me, hearing me talk about it,

616
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, I didn't realize that was

617
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: that bad. Like those moments where you're like, huh wow,

618
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: this is more severe than I had. Soon because we

619
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: don't talk about it, we can normalize it inside. But

620
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: then there's you know, structural barriers in addition to those

621
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: cultural ones UM talk about, like lack of mental health

622
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: care professionals and low income communities, particularly culturally responsive care,

623
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: so being access getting access to someone who looks like you,

624
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: who's from your same background. UM. The US is facing

625
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: an overall shortage of doctors, but the shortage of mental

626
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: health care professionals is steeper than in any other category,

627
00:34:54,160 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: part because UM of low reimbursements from government and private

628
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: insurance or mental health care people don't even go into

629
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: that field because they're like, I'm not gonna make any

630
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: money doing it. Um, or when they get out, they

631
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: choose to make people pay out of pocket for their services. UM.

632
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: Private sector and ship yep. So you know, urban clinics

633
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: and providers often have long waiting lists and people can

634
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: wait for months before they get a basic intake appointment.

635
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: Affordability is also an obstacle as well. Um. Things improved

636
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: with the A c A. With the Mental Health Parity

637
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: and Addiction Equity Act two thousand eight requires insurance groups

638
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: offering coverage for mental health or substance use disorders to

639
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: make these benefits comparable to the general medical coverage. It

640
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: required that deductibles, co pays out of pocket maximums, treatment limitations,

641
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: and other mental health or substance use disorders related costs

642
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: must be no more restrictive than the same requirements or

643
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: benefits offered to other medic for other medical care. But

644
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: even with that, you know, um, the cost of treatment

645
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: still often limits people's access to mental health services or

646
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: knowledge again, knowledge of the maze of our insurance bureaucracy. Um,

647
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: there's the assumption that it will cost a lot. So

648
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: even when there are like low cost resources, I think

649
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: for example, here in Athens, we have this thing called

650
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: Newchie Space where you can get sliding scale UM counseling,

651
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: particularly for musicians UM, and a lot of people don't

652
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: even go because they're they're just people just assume that

653
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: is it will cost too much, and they're not wrong,

654
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: because these fucking insurance companies try to gauge you bleed

655
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: you dry for everything and every last red cent, every

656
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: last red cent. But it's not necessarily UM, cut and dry,

657
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: that health care expansion is enough to fix the problem.

658
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Listeners of the show no that I'm a vulnerative Medicare

659
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: for all UM. But in two Oregon held a randomized

660
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: uttering to decide which low income people would receive Medicaid.

661
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: Two studies UM done in the aftermath by M. I. T.

662
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: And Harvard found that medicaid coverage generated no significant improvements

663
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: in measured physical measured physical health outcomes in the first

664
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: two years, but it did lower rates of self reported

665
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: depression by ten. Reasons for this, I think that UM

666
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: access to mental health care SURE probably lowered self recorded

667
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: rates of depression. People were probably also less suppressed because

668
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: they weren't stressed about having health coveraged. Yeah, it was

669
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: one last thing to worry about. So like, yeah, I

670
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: would say I'm happier than if I couldn't see a

671
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: doctor at all. I mean, I think that's that would

672
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: be a benefit of Medicare for all as well. Is that,

673
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: like you said, like just on a massive level, like

674
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: just that one stress of life could just take that

675
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: away because everybody knows that they have health care, you

676
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So they know that if something

677
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: does happen, they're not just teetering on the edge of collapsed. Yeah.

678
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: And so that's why I even post the question of

679
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: whether health care expansions and never fix the problem was

680
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: ultimately when this study kind of proved, I would say earliest.

681
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: It suggests, let's say, um that when you have less

682
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: to worry about, your less deppressed. And I think this

683
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: extends to multiple categories of social need um um, from

684
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: if you're less worried about housing, you're less suppressed. If

685
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: you're less worried about where your food, you're less depressed.

686
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: If you're happier in your school environment, you're less suppressed,

687
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: which speaks then to the need for community based solutions

688
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: to get at the root crosses for why people are

689
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: experiencing mental health problems, you know, issues about ravage therapy,

690
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: rappist therapy, I mean, um, in the mean term, in

691
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: the meantime, until we refund our social services so that

692
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: people ain't so stressed about various things lead them to

693
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, poor coping of various kinds. We have hip

694
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: hop UM. I'm definitely found it super therapeutic to rap

695
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: about various things I've been through, UM to both like

696
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: sort of accept them as like to process them both,

697
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: like just by writing them out on paper, but saying

698
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: them out loud so many times in front of like

699
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: audience is sort of like it's almost like exercising a demon, like, ha,

700
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: y'all have that that's not you know, I'm casting you out.

701
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: I find I find that like listening to shipped to

702
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: helps me identify stuff. Yeah, like hearing somebody else talking

703
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: about their own ships, like it helps me identify oh

704
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I kind of feel that way too,

705
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: And then you know that gets the mind going as

706
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: to with what's the root of that feeling and where

707
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: it's coming from and stuff like that. I mean, it's

708
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of cliche best, but you know for musicians

709
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: like oh, then this is my therapy band, right, you know,

710
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: It's like it's like I need it, but I don't

711
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: know it just it really is. It's like for any

712
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: emotion too. It's it doesn't all necessarily have to be negative.

713
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: But even getting out positive emotions and positive thoughts, whether

714
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: it be in wrapping or listening to WRAP, I find

715
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: it can be help helping and southing. And some scholars

716
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: whore starting to take to wrap us therapy staying seriously UM,

717
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 1: identifying a lot of what you know we're talking about

718
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: right here, and thinking about how to UM use that

719
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: in more clinical settings to help folks UM. The University

720
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: of Cambridge has supported a project known as the Hip

721
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: Hop Psyche Initiative that aims to use hip hop to

722
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: improve people's mental health and to address issues including stigma

723
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: towards mental illness under the lack of diversity within the

724
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: psychiatric profession. In their article on the topic, the co

725
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: founders gave the example of Juicy Meditorious b I G.

726
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Which he dedicated to all of the teachers that told

727
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: me I'd never amount to nothing, to all the people

728
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: that live above the building that I was hustling in

729
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: front of of that called the police on me when

730
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 1: I was just trying to make some money to feed

731
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: my daughter, but goes on to describe how he has

732
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: become successful psychogenesis when out with that drop, I couldn't pictures.

733
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: The co founders point out similarities with possible positive visual

734
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: imagery technique investigated by Professor Emily Holmes group at the

735
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: University of Oxford UM. This technique is a form of

736
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: therapy in which the patient is encouraged to use the

737
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: power of their imagination to help them through difficult times,

738
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: including things like depression or bipolar episodes, and so they

739
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: then um seeing some of these similarities, I thought that

740
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: by integrating hip hop into psychotherapies, they they could refine

741
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: their tools as psychologists to make them more relevant to

742
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: their users. I mean this, this is that they could

743
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: have used a bunch of examples for that same exact

744
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: point other than you see. I mean the first popular

745
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: successful wraps off literally is that the sugar Hill Gang

746
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Hop hivoted hip hop HIV. You don't stop, I got

747
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: a linked in Continental you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

748
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: Like those guys were wrapping about that before they had

749
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: any of that stuff, and it was because it was

750
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: empowering to them, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And

751
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: so like they're identifying these cops that we just organically

752
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: have in the community and thinking about how to you know,

753
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: perhaps augment them with other aspects of psychotherapy in order

754
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: to help people in a culturally relevant way. Where it's like, Yo,

755
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: sitting down on a couch in an office talk to

756
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: some white lady in the lab coat does not sound

757
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: super healing to me. But when you bring these things

758
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: in that do resonate with people, it helps make therapy

759
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: more accessible. Now, is there any sort of like downside

760
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: or negative to this, because I just I just kind

761
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: of feel like if if the if the constant thing

762
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: then is to attribute like material gain and wealth with

763
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, if that's the coke, and that's like all

764
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: it is. There's no other exploration of or I don't

765
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: want to say there's no other exploration, but just in

766
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: terms of like when when hip hop is dealing with

767
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: like positive reinforcement on this level, it seems to be

768
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: like Almo always in terms of like, well you could

769
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: be rich and it would be better. Yeah. I mean,

770
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: because of the society we live in, it is often

771
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: tied to material gain, but I think you could um

772
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: recast the use of positive visual imagery to really mean

773
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: lots of different things. Um. You know, maybe I called

774
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: my mom the other day and it really made me

775
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: feel good. Yeah, I went for a walk in the

776
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: park and it was nope, play ball with the cat

777
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: or you think about um, it was a good day.

778
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: What you're talking about? You know what he had for breakfast,

779
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: dRIT around the city, didn't get shot as actually beautiful

780
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: woman the good year blim and it reads ice cubes

781
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: to pimp like just you can imagine all kinds of

782
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: things if you have this freedom outlet in which to

783
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: put those imaginings, um, if you have that sort of

784
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: like um context in which it's relevant to like channel

785
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: it as opposed to you know, just thinking in your

786
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: own head. And so I think I think that yes,

787
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: it is shaped both by UM corporatism and music industry,

788
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: which itself is shaped by living in a capitalist society.

789
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to be like that. You can

790
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: use the positive visual imagery to talk about any kind

791
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: of stuff that you want to actualize. I imagine. So

792
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: in closing out, if you or anyone you know is

793
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: struggling with suicidal thoughts and or distress. The National Suicide

794
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: Prevention Lifeline is available and that's AD to seven, three,

795
00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: eight to five, So forget But um, as we end day,

796
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: let's circle back around to Mind Playing Tricks On Me.

797
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna get into that. That's gonna be

798
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: our music discussion. I know we had like music playing

799
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: all throughout this motherfucker, but like this is gonna be

800
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: the actual music discussion. So we'll be back with that

801
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: after the job. All right, we are back. I've been

802
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: waiting to get in this dirt. No Dirt Dirt easily

803
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: one of the most famous songs in hip hop history.

804
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: We are talking about the nine song Mine Playing Tricks

805
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: On Me by the Ghetto Boys Bushwick Bill, Scarface and

806
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, why am I brain? Oh my brain

807
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: fartingty No, you didn't, I forgot his name. Ghetto Boys

808
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: Willie D. Really I'm tripping? All right? Um, So Mine's

809
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: Playing Tricks is off their album We Can't be stopped.

810
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: The lyrics, like we said before, they describe mental anguish.

811
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: The exhaustive life is a gangster including deal with symptoms

812
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: of post traumatic stress disorder, paranoia, suicidal and suicidal ideations

813
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: and loneliness. It also samples hung up on My Baby

814
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: by Isaac Hayes. Just to give you, you know, some

815
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: little some stats about it. What else we got, oh,

816
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones ranked this as the fifth greatest hip hop

817
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: song of all time. I have no idea how they

818
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: determine that, but it sounds right. That's good. I'll take it.

819
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: Um in Scarface co Incidentally, I think we've discussed previously

820
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: on the show Sink ran for Houston City Council. Yeah,

821
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: he did. He did last year, maybe year before that.

822
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: People don't know about Scarface is Scarface plays like every

823
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: instrument on some prince ship. Yeah, like he as a

824
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: matter of fact, like if you were to go see

825
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: a scar Face show, it's probably him in a jazz

826
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: band with him playing the guitar, looking like good BB

827
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: King and ship like for real, but some new every day.

828
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: Something else I learned today is that Scarface's grandmother is

829
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: credited for the song's title. Um told She told MTV.

830
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: Um it's a strange way of how we came about it.

831
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: I come through the room and I think I was

832
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: just kind of mumbled into myself and my lips and

833
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: work into something. He said, Mama, what are you talking about?

834
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, nothing, My mom's just playing choice

835
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: on me. And I didn't have no idea he was

836
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: gonna go out and be making a song about it,

837
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: but indeed he did so, Thanks Grandma Scarface. Man. I

838
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: wish I could share those war stories about the conversations

839
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: that me and my mom had that inspired me so

840
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: because it's it's not as heart war as um Gangster

841
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: Rap may have been. This is a quote from NPR

842
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: about song Gangster Rat. May have been America's nightmare in

843
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, but it was also America's creation.

844
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: There's a post traumatic stress that comes along with being

845
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: black in this country. It's almost part of your inheritance.

846
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: And the feeling was compounded by the Crow era, by

847
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: the War on drugs, by over policing, and nascart incarceration.

848
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: This was an arrow when it wasn't at all unusual

849
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: to hear young black men referred to as an endangered species.

850
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: And the worst of it, we were being told that

851
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: we were the ones that should be feared the most.

852
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Speaker 1: Day by day, it's more impossible to cope. I feel

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Speaker 1: praying for forgiveness and trying to find an exit out

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Speaker 1: about the subject matter. And then again, you know, I

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Speaker 1: if like you're turning on MTV and ship like that,

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