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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to the Indiana Convention Center, day three

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Speaker 1: of the NFL Combine. Jerry Doulac with you for the

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Speaker 1: next two hours, along with Dale Lawley and Rob King

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Speaker 1: of the Voice of the Radio Voice of the Steelers. Rob,

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Speaker 1: good to be with you. I missed you the first

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Speaker 1: two days. Yeah, name you were busy. I can't vouch

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Speaker 1: for that, but I'll take your word.

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Speaker 2: For most of the time.

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Speaker 3: Omark Kahn, Sheldon White, and Dan Colbert there. So those

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Speaker 3: my those are my three duties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what uh, what little nuggets did you glean

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Speaker 1: from any of that conversation?

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Speaker 2: Well, you'll have to watch those on Stealers dot com.

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Speaker 2: I won't have time.

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Speaker 4: I'm too busy.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping you'd give me the reader's digest version.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's uh, it's you know what

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Speaker 3: the consensus seems to be at the do list, right,

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Speaker 3: you got to get the quarterback situation straightened out. You know,

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Speaker 3: somewhere along the line you have to get T. J.

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Speaker 3: Watt contract extension and uh at a July yeah, probably right,

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Speaker 3: and then you know what are you gonna do in

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Speaker 3: the in free agency, in the draft, and you know, again,

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Speaker 3: nobody's nobody's come out and said anything to me. But

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Speaker 3: it feels like whatever, what everyone's prognosticating defensive line? And

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Speaker 3: I know you were early on in reporting that defensive

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Speaker 3: line is going to be addressed. I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 3: if they addressed it in free agency and the draft.

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Speaker 3: I think they are if they go out and get

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Speaker 3: three guys at all at some point. And you know

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Speaker 3: what the need for and the desire for more explosive

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Speaker 3: players at the at the receivering and running back position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And what's funny, to a degree curious about you know,

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Speaker 1: having decisions is you know key ones quarterback, running back,

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Speaker 1: what you do with the receiving room. Yet, let's just

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Speaker 1: look at quarterback and running back. There's no clear cut

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Speaker 1: answer just yet, right, and that's something that needs to

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Speaker 1: be done and will be done right. March twelfth is

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Speaker 1: the start of free agency. I want to Adgendale that

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Speaker 1: those decisions will be made by then, although around the corner, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, when it comes to running back, it

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Speaker 1: might be Okay, how much are we willing to spend

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Speaker 1: and we don't think the market is going to be

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Speaker 1: just seen that be the case.

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Speaker 2: And two, it's a good year for running backs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know the running back situation, the situation

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Speaker 4: with running backs, I mean, he just saw Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 4: Derrick Henry Green Bay went out and got.

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Speaker 4: And that was because last year's running back class in

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Speaker 4: the draft was not great. It was not it was

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Speaker 4: not considered a deep one. It's the exact opposite this year.

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Speaker 4: This year is considered a really good and deep running

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Speaker 4: back class. I think mal Kiper said he had thirty

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Speaker 4: five running backs with a draftable grade on him. Well,

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Speaker 4: there's not be thirty five running backs drafted. That means that,

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Speaker 4: you know, there's gonna be some guys that may be

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Speaker 4: You know, you find those guys like that. And I

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Speaker 4: understand when people say you can find running backs anywhere

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Speaker 4: to a degree, that is true. What you can't find

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Speaker 4: are special players. You know, absolutely you can find a

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Speaker 4: people talked about the forty nine ers. They would go

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Speaker 4: running back, running back. When did they really take off

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Speaker 4: when they traded for Christian McCaffrey, Right, that was the

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Speaker 4: big difference. They you know, a team that everybody pointed

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Speaker 4: to a same one. They don't They don't believe running

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Speaker 4: backs are important. They just draft, you know, draft Win

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Speaker 4: saying Christian McCaffrey, but finding a guy with that kind

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Speaker 4: ability to catch the football. Finding the next leve On

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Speaker 4: just to you know shore up. I mean, they're going

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Speaker 1: With a few exceptions, with few exceptions, your top tier

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Speaker 1: all pro players, your Pro Bowl type players, with few exceptions.

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Speaker 1: And Kevin Colbert always felt this and said this that

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Speaker 1: you have to find him on the first round. Oh,

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Speaker 1: there are exceptions, but if you were looking for that

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Speaker 1: you want that to expect to have that type of player,

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Speaker 1: you have to probably get them early. But you can't

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Speaker 4: G even a lot of those guys, a lot of

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Speaker 4: those top running backs that you you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: Henry was a was a high second round pick. Nick Chubb,

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Speaker 4: There's not a lot of difference between being the twenty

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Speaker 3: Well, I think to to your guys point, the top

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Speaker 3: five or six running backs in terms of yarded just

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Speaker 3: you were all first or second round picks. And then

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Speaker 3: there becomes the inevitable drop off that Jerry just alluded to.

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Speaker 3: And I think that you know, uh look, look, teams

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Speaker 3: But again, we were talking about like this with Tom Brady.

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Speaker 3: You know Tom Brady, for example, sixth round draft choice. Hey,

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Speaker 3: great job getting him in the sixth round. Well, if

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Speaker 3: taken him in the first round, you know, because he

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Speaker 3: wound up being, you know, arguably the greatest quarterback of

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Speaker 2: So and I think that there is it arguable. I

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Well, hang on it.

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Speaker 4: This is a man who last night said, Jimmy Jimmy

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Speaker 4: Page is a system guitar.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't say that at all.

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Speaker 3: So let me so let me, let me let me shift,

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Speaker 3: Let me shift back by by just telling.

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Speaker 1: Me you would be one of the forty nine people

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Speaker 1: that Tom Brady's not a first ballot select.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he's a first bout selection.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say, you just said arguably, so the greatest argue,

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Speaker 3: the greatest of all tie.

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Speaker 2: I understand, Okay, I want to know who's great.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So so let me just say this real quick

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Speaker 3: and I'll get back to that discussion. I think that

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Speaker 3: in and be a contributor. Well, it happens, right, and

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Speaker 3: there's not There's no guarantee a third round receiver is

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Speaker 3: The Steelers have come in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 3: They've made no bones about the fact that they want

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Speaker 3: defensive line. Well, we know that. You know, trends happened

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Speaker 3: They dominated the Chiefs in both those areas, and they

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting I mentioned this last hour that

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Speaker 3: you know, Ted McMillan, I saw him going, you know,

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Speaker 3: to slide, more running backs shown up in the first round.

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Speaker 3: You think about the running back position. You know, Matt

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Speaker 3: So you just wonder if some of these things are

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Speaker 1: Of go ahead, Dale, I don't even want to have

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Speaker 3: I think, I think you. I think too. I think

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Speaker 3: here's here's what appen. Yeah, Bart Star was a great player, Champions,

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Speaker 3: Johnny Unitis, Otto Graham, uh Sammy Ball for talent. I

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Speaker 3: not saying he isn't. I'm just saying, you know, every

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Speaker 3: and now at TV and ESPN and all the other things,

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Speaker 3: he's the greatest of all time. You know, Joe Montana,

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Speaker 3: Joe Montana is the greatest of all time. Now Tom

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Speaker 3: Brady is the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 1: Well, Okay, Son may have been until Tom Brady came along.

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Speaker 3: He he may have been so or or or uh,

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Speaker 3: you know what happens now. We we had this argument,

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Speaker 1: The breadth of your knowledge in every sport just continues

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Speaker 1: It is day three of the EDVL Scouting Combine here

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Speaker 2: We are back in the NFL Combine, Day three.

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Speaker 1: The players get on the field today and get some

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Speaker 1: NFL Network coverage Dale and Uh, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: People love to watch the testing and the drills at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh absolutely, And you know it always kills me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, you don't want him work it out in

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00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 5: front of anybody, right, turn this into a Heath Miller situation,

437
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,160
Speaker 5: and you know, because Heath was unable to work out,

438
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,400
Speaker 5: you know, prior to his draft, and you just say,

439
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 5: watch the tape.

440
00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 4: We know he's a good football player, and we don't.

441
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if they ever got forty time on

442
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 4: Heath Miller, but it was okay, Yeah, that's right.

443
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 2: It's okay.

444
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,679
Speaker 1: Go way back to the Bill None days when he

445
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 1: when he stole the only tape available on John Stoats

446
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: and the other teams that couldn't get it they lasted

447
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 1: to deal with the fourth round was yeah, yeah, that's right.

448
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 4: That can't happen anymore, No.

449
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 1: No circulate. Abduil Carter diagnosed with a stress fracture, but

450
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,880
Speaker 1: his agent said today he's not going to have surgery

451
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 1: should he have one his own, which they typically do,

452
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: and he wasn't gonna work out anyhow.

453
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 2: I assume he'll.

454
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: Work out of his pro day at least I got

455
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 1: that indication for the story I read. But you know,

456
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 1: that's a guy who's likely, you know, he could probably

457
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 1: lay the money down, could be the number one defensive

458
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 1: player picked in the draft. I doubt number one overall

459
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 1: because those teams at the top would like a nice

460
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 1: little quarterback.

461
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah right.

462
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 3: It's gonna be an interesting you know, and and part

463
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 3: of the draft process that I always find fascinating. And

464
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 3: there's a couple of things. So you know, the Steelers,

465
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 3: they're gonna have a different board. I've always thought, going

466
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 3: back to Kevin Colbert, the Steelers have done a wonderful

467
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 3: job of having a plausible team before the draft, so

468
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 3: you don't have to take you know, you're not truly

469
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 3: taking the best player available, but you're taking the best

470
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: player available.

471
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: At say, four different positions. You don't have to reach, right,

472
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: we give positions.

473
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: Indeed, yeah, it gives you the so instead of you know,

474
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 3: picking seventeenth and the top five edge guys are gone

475
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: and the guy you have ranked thirty one in the

476
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 3: draft is the sixth best edge guy. But you panic

477
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 3: and you need an edge guy. I do think that,

478
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: you know, in these combines there'll be one or two

479
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 3: guys that will jet up and go higher than maybe

480
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: the tape indicates they should go because some team will

481
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 3: fall in love well or whatever.

482
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders were notorious for that taking guy Darius Hayward

483
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: Bay Jump.

484
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 4: If there's a guy that ran a sub four to

485
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 4: three the Raiders were taking.

486
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 3: Or the kid from Pitt Beskowski draft right way than

487
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 3: anybody thought.

488
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: Robert Gallery, right.

489
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just need one or two of those and

490
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 3: to continue to give you a better chance.

491
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 4: Largely, what happens with that though, it's not necessarily the

492
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 4: teams changing their opinion on them. It's the draft crowd

493
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 4: changing their opinion on guys based on what they do

494
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 4: out here. Well, this guy ran fast. You know, the

495
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 4: teams know the guy's fast. You know, the guy goes

496
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 4: out there and runs a four to four instead of

497
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 4: a four or five. You don't necessarily well, he could

498
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 4: just jump from the third round to the first round.

499
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 4: That doesn't typically happen. But the draft knicks now'll catch

500
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 4: up on what the NFL teams already knew, Like, oh,

501
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 4: that made me start watching his tape more. Well, the

502
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 4: teams already did that. They already watched all the tape.

503
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 4: They've already you know, done all the background work. They

504
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 4: know all that stuff. So the guy goes, oh, he's

505
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 4: he's rising up the boards. He's not rising up NFL

506
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 4: teams boards. Their boards are pretty much said at this point.

507
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the case now for sure, But

508
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago. I'd say, you know, twenty

509
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: years ago. Some the Cincinnati Bengals were notorious for it.

510
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: They a small scouting department, small right next to nothing,

511
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: and they it was basically Mike Brown, but they basically

512
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: drafted from the street in Smith's right right, and they

513
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: got let's goe because they always drafted these quote name

514
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: players and because they.

515
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: Heard the name.

516
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 4: Well, that's the way it was started in the fifties

517
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 4: when well, of course, you know, well then it was

518
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 4: even regionally.

519
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right.

520
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 4: You know when Paul Brown was was running drafts for

521
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 4: the Browns, you know they'll just take these guys that

522
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 4: you know, these all Americans, greatest Americans.

523
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: Paul Brown's greatest draft is when he with the Bengals

524
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: with a start up franchise. Who was his first pick?

525
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: I forget his name, but it was a center because

526
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: he said, if you're going to start a team, you

527
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: might as well start with a center because he's the

528
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: one who staffs the ball. He drafted a center was

529
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: his first overall pick.

530
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: You know, you talk about the about drafting and recruiting

531
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: was not as you know, as as fine tuned did

532
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: as is now used to tell the story about. You know,

533
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 3: he he wasn't sure where he was going to go

534
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: to college and he wound up a duke and it

535
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 3: was because his brother told the coach, yeah, I think

536
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: he can play. Like so that was his brother told

537
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: the coach, yeah I think Dick Groat can play, or

538
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: to coach his brother or something told the coach, I

539
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: think he can play. So that that got up a

540
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: scholarship to a little more a little more fine tuned

541
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 3: bit than that. Then my brother, my brother says he

542
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: can play.

543
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 4: There's a lot of that though, Like you know, I

544
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: coach baseball now and I coach a eighteen and under

545
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: travel team that we go to college showcases, and I

546
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 4: get calls all the time on my guys from college

547
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 4: coaches ask hey, what's it, what's he like? It's the

548
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 4: same is this process. You know, you know, how's the family,

549
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 4: what's what's he like? Is he a good student? You know,

550
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: what's his demeanor like on and off the field? You know,

551
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 4: just that background, and you know, are they listening to

552
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 4: me necessarily in terms of recommendations. Probably not supplemental information,

553
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: but it's supplemental information.

554
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: You do.

555
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 4: You do your due diligence on these guys and you

556
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 4: try to make sure you get the right fits.

557
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: And for the most part, that's what the combine is.

558
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, they have an idea from the tape on

559
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: the field, who they like, who they don't, but they

560
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: come here and it's supplemental information. Maybe eye opening, it's

561
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: some drill, or they've got a medical or whatever the

562
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: case may be, but.

563
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: It's all supplemental.

564
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: A lot of it. The interview process is that's valuable.

565
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: But I do wonder if you know, like the Steelers

566
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: have made a point of saying we want Steelers type

567
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: of players. We've we've heard that again over the last

568
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: couple of years, I think, seeming to be I don't know,

569
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: re emphasized, but certainly been talked about more. And it

570
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: is part of that. And you know this is what

571
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: you know, you don't know for sure is part of that. Okay,

572
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: you know, uh, this this guy that we're thinking about drafting,

573
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: he wants to make sure he's the best shuttle cone

574
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 3: driller drill guy. You know, the competitiveness. We see that

575
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: in just in that drill as opposed to just talking

576
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: to him and saying, yeah, I'm a really I'm a

577
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: I'm a competitive guy.

578
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: You know.

579
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: Uh so talked about that yesterday with the uh with

580
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 4: the with the wait listing, the bench press yeah, and

581
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: the year he did it. Guy's going back and forth

582
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: and you know, this one this does forty two repsold,

583
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: the next comes up, he wants to do forty three,

584
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 4: just enough to beat the guy that is his competitor.

585
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: Right for sure.

586
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: I think it's uh, I think it's fascinating to Jerry,

587
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 3: you know, to be here and the first time you're here,

588
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 3: right first time I've been in indiapas and to talk

589
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: to Sheldon White in the pro scouting side, and Dan

590
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: Colbert and then Omar Khan of the pieces that you're

591
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 3: you're trying to put together, Like, I definitely think the

592
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: students will go into the draft so they talk about, uh,

593
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: you know, we need a defensive tackle, Well, we need

594
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: a quarterback. Well, they'll probably go in. My guess would

595
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 3: be they'll have two quarterbacks signed before the draft, at

596
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 3: least they'll have they'll maybe sign a defensive tackle. So

597
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: you would you'd go in and and obviate the need

598
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: receiver to that right wide receiver, maybe a corner so

599
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 3: that you don't feel like you have to reach, so

600
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: you can set up your board, I mean. And and

601
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: then the fact that you know what's available in the

602
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 3: draft is going to inform to some degree what you

603
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 3: do in free agency.

604
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: Right typically, And yeah, and so if you go in

605
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: a free agency and they do this all the time,

606
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: if you go in and you find your starter in

607
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: free agency, that lessens the urgency in a draft. So

608
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, let's just use cornerback for example. And

609
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: let's say they go out and sign a corner veteran

610
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: corner just for argument's sake, and he's going to be

611
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: your starter, then you don't have to worry about cornerback

612
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: anywhere near the top of the draft.

613
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 4: And but why receivers stop you from taking one that's

614
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 4: right later.

615
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about, So wide receiver, though you

616
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: sign one, you're still gonna take one early because of

617
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: the the the the dearth of talent in that room.

618
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: Defensive line wouldn't surprise me at all because I don't know,

619
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna sign a premium lignement.

620
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: Maybe, but it's not.

621
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: Going to stop them from drafting one high as well.

622
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, there are but they use free agency to

623
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: help set up the draft or lessen the urgency in

624
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: the draft at a certain pace.

625
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 3: Right, And I do wonder, like, you know, could they

626
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: go could they totally prize us? So let's say in

627
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: free agency, you know, I'll sort you go out and

628
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: get b J Hill, right, a good solid rotational defensive tackle,

629
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: and he had Keanu bet and your top three defensive

630
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 3: tackles are gone. The running back Genti's gone. Ted McMillan

631
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: was the one receiver you wanted he's gone. Now you

632
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 3: just completely you know, uh, flummex people by taking somebody

633
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: at a position that's not of need, you know, because

634
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 3: because you feel that player is so good that we

635
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: had this guy ranked eighth in the draft and he's

636
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: here twenty one and it's not a position or need,

637
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: but we'll still take him.

638
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: One of the things that that Matt and I always

639
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: do every year, and we just did it last week

640
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 4: before before we came out here, and it was a

641
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: Kevin Colbert thing that that he always talked about them doing.

642
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: We do our list, we'll come up with our twenty

643
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 4: one players that you know, if if in order, if

644
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 4: the Steelers are on the board, would they take them,

645
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 4: because you've got to have twenty one guys if you're

646
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: picking twenty one, that you would take at that spot. Now,

647
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: some of those positions you you lessen a little bit others,

648
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 4: and maybe you don't put the tight ends, for example,

649
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: on that list this year because you're not probably not

650
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: going to draft a tight end in the first round.

651
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: You just you know, you've got Friarmouth, You've got Darnelle Washington.

652
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: You're probably not going to be in the market for

653
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: one of those two tight ends that are going to

654
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: be potentially first round draft picks, and then you just

655
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: kind of massage that by the positions of need. So,

656
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: for example, while everybody has an Abdul Carter is the

657
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: number one guy, well, he wouldn't necessarily be the Steelers

658
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: number one guy because where's he going to play? You know,

659
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: that's that's a situation. But if to your point, if

660
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 4: it's he's on your list of twenty one and he.

661
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: Were available, extreme example, but yes.

662
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: And those other guys and your other guys at the

663
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: positions of need are gone, well, okay, we got to

664
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: take this. We can't. We can't pass on this guy

665
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 4: because you know, he's just it's too great of a value.

666
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: The past couple of years, the Steelers would always do

667
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: spend if not a week, two or three days with

668
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: however many people in their room doing mock drafts, and

669
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: they would do a mock draft. They stopped doing it,

670
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: and now to Dale's point, they're number twenty one. They

671
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: ranked the top the best twenty one players in the draft,

672
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: and that way they know they're getting one of them. Yeah,

673
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: and so they don't have to they just go down

674
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: and see who's there one of those twenty one has

675
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: to be there, got to be there, and they're going

676
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: to take them, right, and there might be.

677
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: If there's seven of them available, then you start looking, okay,

678
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: could we trade back. We're still going to get one

679
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: of these seven guys are still going to be there

680
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: if we move back four spots, right, we're going to

681
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: get one of the guys that we that we thought

682
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 4: were one for sure, or one.

683
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: Of the twenty one. The counter of that is if

684
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: one of the twenty one is someone they have it, say,

685
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: for example, number six on our or even let's just

686
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: say more reasonable, let's just say fifteen, then you think, okay,

687
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: let's move up. And because we really like him at

688
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: a position of quote need for example, makea Fitzpatrick. The

689
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: reason they traded for MAKEA Fitzpatrick in twenty nineteen was

690
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: the year before that he was the number five guy

691
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: on their list, the number five overall player.

692
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: He became available, why not go get him? Yeah, he

693
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: was the guy.

694
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: Ben's injury played into that too before.

695
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: Yes, but people thought it was well, they're trying to

696
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 4: fix the team here because of Ben's injury. They're trying

697
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: to keep the winning streak alive. No, he was the

698
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: number five player that they had in that particular draft

699
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 4: the year before that, and they had an opportunity to

700
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 4: acquire him, so they did.

701
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: So.

702
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: The other thing, too, is that they I think they've

703
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: done a wonderful job last couple of years.

704
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: I think their drafts have been very good.

705
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: But they're you know, nothing's off the table, you know,

706
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: so this might be every the perception seems to be,

707
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: this is a great depth draft. There's a lot of

708
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: good players in the second or third round, and so

709
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: are a bunch of teams going to be looking to

710
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: trade down?

711
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: Well? Is that an opportunity?

712
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: Right, maybe you trade Maybe you're not going to get

713
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: as much trading down as you might in years past

714
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: because everyone's trying to trade down. Well, that might be

715
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: the perfect time to trade up, to your point, and

716
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: get that guy.

717
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: When's the last time they traded down? They trade down

718
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: for Casey Hampton traded down for Casey ham the last time.

719
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the.

720
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: First round, that first round?

721
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I I I.

722
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: Never expect that to happen with them, because they have

723
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: their list. But right, and what But to your point

724
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: somewhat though, too, what I like about them is their willingness.

725
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: They've been very aggressive in free agency the last two years.

726
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: Omar Kahn when he was asked the other day, he says,

727
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: we treat free agency like we have the last two years.

728
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: That very aggressive and their but their willingness. When they

729
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: drafted Kenny Pickett, they were looking to move up if

730
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: they had to. Now I don't necessarily agree moving up

731
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: to get Kenny Pickett, but the point is they were

732
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: considering it, and they moved up to get two spots

733
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: to get Broderick Jones, and so they're there. They are

734
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: amenable to that every every draft.

735
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: And I wonder, and I wonder if this would be

736
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: a better year to do that based on all the

737
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: teams that want to move down. Would you have to

738
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: give up a little bit less? Who knows to me?

739
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: Because again, when I say need for a defensive lineman,

740
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: it's then you gotta find Cam Heyward, and you're only

741
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna find him up top. Where was Cam number?

742
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: Cam was thirty one?

743
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

744
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: Thirty one yeah in twenty eleven, right, yah? And so

745
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: but if because of that, if there's somebody who's dropping

746
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: and that position, because to me, that's now, this is me,

747
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: that's number one priority. Then I trade up. I don't know,

748
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: you go you don't go to Devin Bush route, I

749
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: don't think, but you move up if you like that

750
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: guy and go get them.

751
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the question is where is the drop off? Right?

752
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: So you toss a bunch of guys into a bucket

753
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: and you say, all right, there's no drop off here.

754
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: We'll take We'll take Ted McMillan, or we'll take you know,

755
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: Michael Grant, or we'll take Will Johnson, or we'll take

756
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: some of these players. But now to your point, if

757
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: it's it's creeping toward you, those guys are getting snatched up,

758
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: what do you do. You got to either move up

759
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: or you gotta move down.

760
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 4: I think it was Daniels jerrem Ayah was talking about

761
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 4: this particular defensive line class and he said in last

762
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: year's draft he had twelve guys that he had a

763
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: grade on who he thought would be future starters in

764
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 4: terms of how he graded them. This year, it's twenty

765
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 4: four on.

766
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: The twenty four future starters of defensive the defensive line ground.

767
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: So how many how many our immediate starts, how many

768
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: of you draft do you feel can step into that way?

769
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: There may be ten of those.

770
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Guys this year draft, right right exactly. I mean it's

771
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: no question it's a strong year for it.

772
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: So and some of that's also because you're getting older

773
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: guys coming out of college. You know, they're more physically

774
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: mature than they were you know when you were You

775
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: think about all the drafts that the Steelers had, you know,

776
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 4: in the early two thousands and that nature. I mean,

777
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 4: they were always taking guys because they were taking you know,

778
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: they were drafting so late. They were taking guys who

779
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: were twenty or just turned twenty one, or you know,

780
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of times it was a

781
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 4: you know, a true junior who was coming out of

782
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 4: the draft because you weren't going to get the ready

783
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 4: made prospects that were there at the top of the draft.

784
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: You know, you had to kind of guess where this

785
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 4: guy was going to develop down the road. Now because

786
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: you're seeing all these twenty three, twenty four to twenty

787
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 4: five year olds coming out, these guys are fully developed men.

788
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: And the other point the.

789
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: Other thing too, and we have to take a break

790
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: of people forget A lot of people forget where they're

791
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: drafting from the success they've had in the first round

792
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: they're not drafting four, five, ten, twelve, thirteen on a

793
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: regular basis like a lot of teams. They're drafting twenty

794
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: and below. And yet they find these guys Cam Hayward,

795
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: Heath Miller at the bottom of the draft, big time players.

796
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: I brought this, It's why I laugh at Well, you

797
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: know they could have Somebody will say, well, they they

798
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 3: could have drafted Jalen Hurds into Chase Claypool. Okay, that's fine,

799
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: we get that. That's revision is history. Where's where's t. J.

800
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: Watt go? If you're redoing that draft? Where does Cam

801
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: he go? Right right?

802
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 6: If you're you can redo the other side of the coin,

803
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 6: exactly exactly. We're gonna take a break. We'll be back

804
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 6: with a whole lot more from the NFL combine here

805
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 6: in Indianapolis. Jerry Doulack, Dale, Lolly and Rob king with

806
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 6: you until two o'clock and then I move out.

807
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: Rob.

808
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: You're only here till one, right till one. Then you're

809
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: gone because I know you're busy. You got a lot

810
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: to do. Well, that's what you keep going.

811
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: You were, you were, you were, you were laying in

812
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: bed thinking about that first couple of coffee when I

813
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: was on the air with west Euler.

814
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: Don't forget that.

815
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm always working the phones. I'm always working the phones.

816
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: We'll be back right up to this. The tight ends. Uh,

817
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: we're meeting with the media this morning, and of course

818
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: the at the top of the group, and uh, a

819
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of it focus on tight ends

820
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: now because of what we've seen in the past. You know,

821
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: with some of the guys, of course brock Bauer's success,

822
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: but Tyler Warren at the top of that list of

823
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: Penn State tight end. You know, you if somebody wanted

824
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: to call him a jack of all trade, you'd say, okay,

825
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: that's that sounds right. He's lined at h back, he's

826
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: lined at running back, he's lined at quarterback.

827
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: He's been punted.

828
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: So but difference is he's a master of all those positions.

829
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: But you know, the top tight end, and he's an

830
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: impressive kid too, and you know he has a chance.

831
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: I went back and looked Heath Miller was one of them.

832
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: Since ninety eight, only twenty three tight ends have gone

833
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: in the first round, but only four have gone in

834
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: the top ten. Kyle Pitts was the highest couple of

835
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: years ago.

836
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: Went number four.

837
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: Kellen Winslow was one of them two right before Ben

838
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: brought powers last year. Ye, no, he was thirteen. He

839
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: was out of the top ten, but only four went

840
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: in the top ten. And I think Tyler Warren has

841
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: a chance to be one of the top tens. Certainly

842
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: will be a first round there, but has a chance

843
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: to be a top ten guy.

844
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: When I look at the draft, and you know, if

845
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: you're the students and you're looking at defensive line and

846
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 3: running back, we're just talking about the copycat league and

847
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: whether now some of those guys you're gonna get, you know,

848
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: snatched up the guys you really want at both those

849
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: positions defensive line and running.

850
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: Back before you get there.

851
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: But you hope that, you know, I would think there

852
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: are positions like I can't see the Steelers taking an

853
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: edge in the first round, five or six of those

854
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: guys go. I can't see them taking an offensive tackle.

855
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: Although I don't think it's completely outside of the realm

856
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: of possibility. If an unbelievable guy, you're like, oh my gosh,

857
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: I can't believe he's I think, but I agree. I'm

858
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: just trying to make a little caveat here. I don't

859
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: think tight end is a position. But if this kid

860
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: was somehow close to you, and some other positions had

861
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: been snatched up, knowing how they'd like to utilize that position,

862
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: that you're going to see a lot more three tight ends,

863
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: and you're going to see three wide receivers.

864
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: Probably.

865
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: Well, we saw how much Arthur Smith likes.

866
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I don't think so. Again.

867
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: My inclination is to say, hey, I would love to

868
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 3: see you know, uh, five edge guys and five offensive

869
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: tackles and two guards and two tight ends go. Because

870
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: now that shrunk that group down to seven at several

871
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: different positions, and they're not all going to be gone

872
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: by the time you pick.

873
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: You know, Dale, when we're talking about ranking those twenty

874
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: one best twenty one players, you wonder if, whether subliminally

875
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: or not, that those best twenty ones don't include three

876
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: edge rushers or positions you know, or four quarterbacks even

877
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: though there wouldn't be four quarterbacks. You know what they're thinking, Okay,

878
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: here's our best twenty one, but we'll leave off maybe

879
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: a couple offensive tackles and intrust.

880
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 4: I always do when I put together my top twenty one,

881
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 4: thought like, I'll.

882
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: Take yeah, your top twenty one Steeler related of course,

883
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: like the best players at those positions that you just

884
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: can't pass on.

885
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 4: I mean, every draft has around fifteen players that are

886
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 4: are real first round picks. They'd be a first round

887
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 4: pick any year. This year, it's probably twelve that you

888
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: look at and say, these guys will be a first

889
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: round pick any year. And if one of those guys

890
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 4: is available to you, yeah, then you take them, even

891
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 4: if it's not the position in need, unless you know

892
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 4: a guy that you have at a position to need

893
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 4: is still there. But yeah, I mean you don't. You

894
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: don't leave off those guys. Now you may you may

895
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 4: not have the third best edge rusher on your list,

896
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 4: but at the top one we're happened to be available,

897
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 4: then yeah, you take him right now.

898
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you just you just start doing if you're

899
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: sitting at twenty one, you start doing the number game,

900
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: and first of all, there'll be one or two guys

901
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: selected ahead of you that you're like, we didn't even

902
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: have them as a first rounder, right that that's but

903
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: I mean if you start to think, okay, two quarterbacks

904
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: are gonna go, how many edges are gonna go? Dale

905
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: four or five.

906
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 4: In this in this round this stud oh before the steels,

907
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: yeah around there.

908
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's.

909
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: Five is an hour up to seven maybe two tight

910
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: ends an hour up to nine maybe a guard maybe.

911
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 2: Now you're at ten.

912
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 4: So that means here are twenty one, I get.

913
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that means eleven guys, yeah.

914
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 4: Twenty one here. Okay, So we have cam Ward yep,

915
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter yep, Mason Grant.

916
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this real quickly. Yeah.

917
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: Are you ranking him the way you feel they might go?

918
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: Or you ranking him your best or the Steelers?

919
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: Oh?

920
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: Okay, who you are the best? The best? Twenty one?

921
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: You're putting the high. Cam Ward has the highest grade.

922
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 4: He would be the he would be my number one

923
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 4: quarterback and it's not even close.

924
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: So if he's available somehow at twenty one, you take it.

925
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: Or does he have a higher grade than Abdul Carter?

926
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You're looking at him just

927
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: as a player who's going to be I'm also the

928
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: going in position of need.

929
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: Okay, right, okay, I got you sliding scale.

930
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Travis Hunter would obviously if he were available,

931
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: you'd take him. Mason Graham, I don't know how if

932
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 4: he fits the defense. But he's a good, really good player.

933
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 4: I think you would take him. Abduall Carter was number

934
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 4: four in our list. Walter Nolan number five. Now that's

935
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 4: not where he ranks with all the draft knicks, right,

936
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: but he would be the guy there. Will Johnson, the

937
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 4: cornerback at of Michigan, would be on that list. Ashton

938
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 4: gentyyeh we had seven, Kenneth Grant, we have an eight.

939
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: Nine was Will Campbell. Again, you're the best offensive tackle

940
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 4: in this draft. If he happened to be there, yeah,

941
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: you'd probably take him. Tyler Warren was number ten on

942
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 4: our list. Eleven was Ted McMillan. Twelve, Derek Harmon, the

943
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: defensive tackle out of Oregon.

944
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: Thirteen.

945
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 4: You had him that high. Huh yeah again because you're

946
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: you're ranking in need. Kelvin Banks the offensive tackle out

947
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: of Texas. You know, don't love him. Josh Simmons is

948
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: offensive tackle out of Ohio State. I think if he

949
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: tests out medically he'll be okay. Johnny Barron is a cornerback.

950
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: I really liked the slot capable corner.

951
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 2: Out of Tea. I've seen Mox have this. Steelers take him.

952
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: He's good player. Matthew Golden at sixteen, Tyler Williams, the

953
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: defensive tackle out of Ohio State at seventeen, Luther Burton

954
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: at eighteen at Mecca AGEBA the wide receiver out of

955
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: Ohio State, I like time, and then at twenty Darius Alexander,

956
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 4: the defensive I'm out of a Toledo. And then at

957
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: twenty one, Arma Membo, who's probably a guard, but that's

958
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: why he's twenty one on this list.

959
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: I think Acubon's is the perfect complement type of receiver

960
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: to George Pickens. And if eventually the way they're thinking,

961
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: maybe become becomes your number one, you know. But I

962
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: think he's a great fit for the way the Steelers play.

963
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, and I think you're you're you know, if

964
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 3: you're drafting twenty first, I think you're trying to You're

965
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: thinking to yourself, you know, yes, position to need, you

966
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: got maybe four of them going in.

967
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: What is this guy's ceiling? Right?

968
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: So if if a ceiling is a really good number

969
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: two quarterback, if a ceiling is you know, a nine

970
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: or ten sack valuable player, you know that kind of thing,

971
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: I think you want to outperform that in the draft.

972
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

973
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 4: I don't let you will though necessarily in this draft,

974
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 4: just because again I don't think they're the stars in

975
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: thisarticular draft. Even a lot of the receivers are considered.

976
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: Well, he'll be a good number two rights those dominant players.

977
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: There's no Justin Jefferson here, there's no Jamar Chase. You

978
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: know at the top of this draft.

979
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: Real quickly, before you take a break on the have

980
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 1: to let Rob go. You look, since Ben Roethlisberger went

981
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: number eleven in four only three times have they drafted

982
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: in the upper half of the draft. One of those

983
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: was trading up from twenty number ten spots to get

984
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: Devin Bush. The other time was they traded up twice

985
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: I mean two spots to get Broderick Jones, and the

986
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: only other time was Ryan Chase Eer at fifteen. Otherwise,

987
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: they're drafting twenty and below for the most part, the

988
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: lower half of the draft, and look at the players

989
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: they get down there. And that's why you have considering

990
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: all that the home runs that they've hit.

991
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: Their first average, if I remember correctly, the average draft

992
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 4: spot that they earned during Kevin Colbert's tenure was twenty four.

993
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: That's probably that sounds about right when I'm looking, when

994
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at all this.

995
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 3: And I think in the last two years, was looking

996
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: at last year's draft, and I would make the assertion

997
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: that every single player they took, certainly through the first

998
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: five rounds or four rounds went you know, the they were,

999
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: they were ranked higher than when the Steelers got him.

1000
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: Beginning with Faltanu, then with Frasier, and then with Peyton Wilson,

1001
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: Roman Wilson, h McCormick. All those guys would have on

1002
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 3: anybody's draft board have been ranked higher. And so that's

1003
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: part patients, that's part doing your diligence, I think that.

1004
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: And again, four of those guys didn't even play last year.

1005
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 3: For the most part, I think they've had two very

1006
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: good draft classes under this new.

1007
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: Regime as well.

1008
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna let you go, right, Max Starks is

1009
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: gonna step in for you. Always good to be with you,

1010
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: my friend. I enjoy being love you, brother Dale, and

1011
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: I will be back after this break. Max Starks will

1012
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: join us and we will go up until two pm,

1013
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: or at least I will, and then of course our

1014
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1015
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