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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,

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Speaker 1: Tommy di Dario Happy Emily in Paris week. I feel

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Speaker 1: like this should be a national holiday because we have

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Speaker 1: been waiting a long time. Well, it feels like a

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Speaker 1: long time for this next season. This show is pure joy.

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Speaker 1: It is escapism to a world's of European backdrops and

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Speaker 1: incredible fashion, but also Emily in Paris. It has a

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Speaker 1: lot of relatable themes of career, ambition, friendship, to aiding

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Speaker 1: in the modern world, and so much more. Season five

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Speaker 1: it's out December eighteenth, but I know you already have

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Speaker 1: clocked that. And today I'm hanging out with the brilliant

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Speaker 1: Philippine Laua Biolu, who plays the iconic character of Sylvie.

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Speaker 1: I tried with the name as best as I can

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Speaker 1: to master the accent. Hopefully I made Philippine somewhat proud.

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Speaker 1: It's taling from Jersey, really tried. The world has fallen

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Speaker 1: in love with her character, Sylvine. I think the reaction

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Speaker 1: to the standout character was something that even surprised Philippine.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a spoiler free combo we touch on season

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Speaker 1: five just a little bit. Quench your thirst a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and we talk about something that happens towards the end

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Speaker 1: of season five that doesn't really spoil anything. It's just

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Speaker 1: about a decision that a character has to make. So

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Speaker 1: I really think that you guys are going to thoroughly

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Speaker 1: enjoy this love letter to Emily in Paris and a

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Speaker 1: show that means so much to so many people. I know,

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Speaker 1: I had such a good time. So come get comfy,

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Speaker 1: escape to the worlds of Paris with me. Well, actually

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Speaker 1: I should say the world of Rome with me based

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Speaker 1: on the new season, and let's see if today we

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Speaker 1: can get Philippine to say something that she has never

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Speaker 2: Philippine, look at you.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited to have you sitting across from

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Speaker 1: me today.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's sweet. Thank you so much. I'm really excited

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Speaker 3: to be here.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel like you are somebody that

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Speaker 1: I've been watching for years now, and I just so

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Speaker 1: love this character you've created and how you bring her

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Speaker 1: to life. And so many people love this character. And

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what an icon she has become.

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Speaker 1: But I think to start off with Emily and Paris.

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Speaker 1: Many people love it right because of the fashion and

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Speaker 1: the restaurants and the culture and the fabulous things you

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Speaker 1: guys are all doing, and of course Paris and now

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Speaker 1: Rome in season five. But I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: more than that in this show. There's a lot more

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Speaker 1: right that meets the eye. So for you, how would

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Speaker 1: you kind of describe what this show means to you.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because lately I thought, actually a few months ago,

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Speaker 3: I thought, you know, when we're going to see the

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Speaker 3: show in like ten meet in ten years or something,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna it's going to really tell us about It's

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Speaker 3: going to be a picture of an era and of

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Speaker 3: this moment where women's liberation is up to a point

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Speaker 3: where now we can do it all, we can have

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Speaker 3: it all, we can. But look at the loneliness of

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Speaker 3: these women. You know, I told her last year, I

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Speaker 3: was like, do you realize that all our you know,

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Speaker 3: they're having a lot of fun. They're you know, they're

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Speaker 3: They're like jumping and Darren's always like they don't have

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Speaker 3: to choose. They can have many boyfriends. They can, you know,

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Speaker 3: of course, but there's a moment where I feel that

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Speaker 3: Sylvie has that moment where she's like she's running after

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Speaker 3: something that is like a never ending thirst for something

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Speaker 3: for me, it's a sort of a picture of a

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Speaker 3: you know, I know it's it's it sounds like a tragedy. Suddenly,

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Speaker 3: with Darren, you always have like you have a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well so to Sylvie, right, And I think that's

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Speaker 2: Real life shit behind all these.

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Speaker 3: Really totally you know, totally you know, she like Emily's

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Speaker 3: probably because she sees herself in her. She would like

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Speaker 3: her to be better than what she There's something about

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Speaker 3: what I feel about myself. I don't feel great about myself,

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Speaker 3: it's it's quite and I feel it's very heavy to carry.

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Speaker 3: carrying a lot of contradictions, you know, desperation sometimes that

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Speaker 3: she hides behind this you know, always impeccable. I'm always

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Speaker 1: Or Yeah, she's a complex woman, for sure. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: It's been really fun to explore. So how has that been?

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Speaker 3: But that's also because of Darren's right, Because Darren, he's

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Speaker 3: gonna always lead you somewhere and then he's going to

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Speaker 3: it's very clever and really, you know, get into try

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Speaker 3: What is he trying to what is he really trying

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Speaker 3: Obviously it's my you know, it's my fantasy. But it's

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Speaker 3: Then you aren't set and you're just going to play

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Speaker 3: it simple, but you have that and your body in

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Speaker 3: that's that weird thing that I thought about yesterday, about

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Speaker 1: A long time and you created a character that's become

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Speaker 1: a fan favorite. Did you ever expect that?

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Speaker 1: No, But by the way, from all different generations, like

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, because that's the thing. I really did think

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Speaker 3: I don't know, is it because I don't know? Is

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Speaker 3: it because I have that kind of Sylvie? Is it

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Speaker 3: like one of those mommy Deira's kind of character? You know,

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Speaker 3: she's also nurturing, but she's also she has this complex

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think we're all attracted by toxicity.

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Speaker 1: We'll I'm back, I'm talking about toxicity here. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: we are in no way actually yeah, yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: people people absolutely love her. Sylvie is also a gay icon.

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Speaker 1: She has become a gay icon. How much fun is

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize that until like season three, Baby. I

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Speaker 1: a defining moment for you as Sylvie that's always stuck

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Speaker 3: think yeah. I think season one already was. Season one

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Speaker 3: I realized the relationship with Emily at that moment, the

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Speaker 3: that she was probably the good person to work in

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Speaker 3: this is like, you know, the cartoon the comic book Asthetics.

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Speaker 3: So I felt like Aesthetics, it's the little village is

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Speaker 3: how can we Is there a way to build a

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Speaker 1: why you're so grounded, which isn't always easy to do

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Speaker 1: in our business, right, So I think that's that's amazing

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Speaker 1: to see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to remember that you just this as

435
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Speaker 3: a vessel. You're carrying something, yeah that is beyond your understanding.

436
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Speaker 3: And then you know, just try to honor the gift

437
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Speaker 3: that is here and that's all. But then just yeah,

438
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: the rest that all the petty stuff happens in life.

439
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many, especially in our business.

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Speaker 2: You're just.

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Speaker 3: It's you can't avoid getting caught up in these things

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Speaker 3: sometimes obviously for obvious reasons, because we live in the

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Speaker 3: material world and everything. But take a step back and

444
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Speaker 3: just breathe and what's important.

445
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Speaker 1: I'm ready for a meditation class with you coming very soon.

446
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I need you on the calm app

447
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: so that you can narrate something that I can listen

448
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Speaker 1: to when I go to bed.

449
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Speaker 2: I am ready for it.

450
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Speaker 1: What I want to go back for a minute, because

451
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Speaker 1: you mentioned one day when Emily in Paris is all,

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Speaker 1: you know, all done years from now, hopefully that you

453
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Speaker 1: would want to explore other things. Is there a genre

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Speaker 1: or a role or a franchise that you've been like, Oh,

455
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Speaker 1: that would be cool one day, you know what.

456
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Speaker 3: I'm open to everything for the read for the good

457
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: reason that I don't know how to answer that question,

458
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: because life has always brought me exactly the roles I

459
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 3: had to play in order to make progress as a

460
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: human being. So you always think I want that, but

461
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 3: then what you really need? That's two different things. And

462
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: as an actor, we have the privilege of doing a

463
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Speaker 3: job that gives us the opportunity to live through an

464
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Speaker 3: experimental ego and that will bring some truth to your

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Speaker 3: own experience path and you know, realization or whatever. So

466
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Speaker 3: what do I wanna? Anything that's going to make me

467
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Speaker 3: grow even more? And I don't know what it is,

468
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 3: but I know that always comes, you know, it always

469
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 3: comes when it can be anything. It could be like Marvel,

470
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Speaker 3: it can be you know, thriller, it can be anything.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't It's more about the inner experience of a character. Yeah,

472
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Speaker 3: and you know, it's more about, yeah, what the character

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Speaker 3: is going through. You know, even in anything like in

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Speaker 3: a comedy or an action film where.

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Speaker 2: I want to see you as a female James Bond type,

476
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that you would rock that.

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Speaker 2: And you need to wear those zebra boots that you're wearing.

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Speaker 3: I'd love that.

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Speaker 2: You'd be great. Thank you so good.

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Speaker 1: So we've talked a lot about you as an actress

481
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Speaker 1: and you with your work, But what do you do

482
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Speaker 1: when you're not working?

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Speaker 2: What recharges you, what refuels you?

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Speaker 3: I travel. I love traveling. I've been traveling, yeah, a

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Speaker 3: lot since I was young, and I love traveling either

486
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Speaker 3: by my When my daughter was a baby, I would

487
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Speaker 3: travel with her. Then I travel with sometimes with friends.

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Speaker 3: But I kind of adore traveling by myself because I

489
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Speaker 3: love to It's easier to meet people, it's easier to

490
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Speaker 3: do whatever you want to do, and it's again, it's

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Speaker 3: about experiencing the place, seeing the people, understanding what they're

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Speaker 3: going through and what you know. I don't like to

493
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Speaker 3: like do tourism and go around. I have to see that, mommy. No,

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Speaker 3: I just sit somewhere and I just try to understand

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Speaker 3: what's going on here, what are what people are you know,

496
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Speaker 3: going through, what's their experience of life? What do you know? So?

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Speaker 3: And that fills me with joy. I love that. I

498
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: was like that ever since I was a kid. I

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Speaker 3: remember restaurant tables with my mom and dad and their friends,

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Speaker 3: and they were talking about things that obviously I wasn't

501
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Speaker 3: interested in. So I'd always try to listen to somebody

502
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Speaker 3: else's conversation on the next table and try to figure

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Speaker 3: out who they were, what their house was like, what

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Speaker 3: their story was like. And I would make up this

505
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Speaker 3: incredible story and worlds, and so I guess, yeah, interest

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Speaker 3: for other people's cultures and stories is what really drives me.

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Speaker 2: So we share that.

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Speaker 1: I love being out to dinner or in a park

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Speaker 1: and seeing someone and I'll say to my husband, I'll

510
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Speaker 1: be like, that's a teacher probably teaches below fifth grade,

511
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Speaker 1: single lost her husband, Sally, and I'll just think of

512
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Speaker 1: what they and I really sometimes you nail it. No,

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Speaker 1: I have nailed it, because we've asked people not like I,

514
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Speaker 1: have you lost your husband, but like we've in like

515
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Speaker 1: we've been like, oh, what do you do?

516
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Speaker 2: Teacher? I knew it. I knew it. So I'm like you.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an interest in people, and that's also

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Speaker 1: probably why you do what you do, and a genuine

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Speaker 1: interest in people.

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Speaker 3: Which yeah, completely, which.

522
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Speaker 2: Is really really cool. I love that.

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Speaker 1: I also love that you're somebody who's been working in

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Speaker 1: this business for decades and decades and decades. That's not easy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been doing it, You've put in the work.

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Speaker 1: You are getting these roles in different parts of your

527
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Speaker 1: life that maybe you never thought were possible, but it's happening,

528
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Speaker 1: and you're showing the world that stories are so interesting,

529
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Speaker 1: you know, as you go through this life, and it's

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Speaker 1: not easy to do. And I imagine that when you

531
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Speaker 1: were up and coming, when you were in the business.

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Speaker 1: We all want to feel seen, right, and we all

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Speaker 1: fights feel seen. Do you feel seen at this point

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Speaker 1: in your life? And did you have to kind of

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Speaker 1: earn that or fight for that throughout your career?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Now I feel seen. I mean, I mean, I'm

537
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: in Paris, is all over the world, so I do

538
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Speaker 3: feel seen. It would be kind of a hypocritical saying no,

539
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: I still need attention. No, but no, I feel seen

540
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: and as a person, as an intimately intimately, do I

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Speaker 3: feel seen? I don't care anymore. But I used to

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00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 3: care a lot. It was like, you know, I want

543
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: to exist. I want people to hear my voice. I

544
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: just say, you know. And then now I'm like, I

545
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: don't care anymore. It's more like, I love my job

546
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: because I love going on My favorite part is working

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Speaker 3: for a part and being on set. That's my favorite

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Speaker 3: part of all reading the script and going, oh my god,

549
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. I

550
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: love her. I want to do her. You Know's that

551
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I don't need

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Speaker 3: to be seen.

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Speaker 1: Well, it goes back to what you talked about earlier, right,

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Speaker 1: It's this freedom of not caring what people's opinions are

555
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: and being in a point in your life where you

556
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Speaker 1: feel really good with where you are and who you are.

557
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: And we all come to these I mean all actors

558
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: have that kind of you know, we start, we do

559
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: this job because we need to be seen. That's you know,

560
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: that's who we are. And we all have like really

561
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: terrible childhoods and blah blah blah, all these things. And

562
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Speaker 3: the good thing is that when you when you're able

563
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Speaker 3: to get over all that and forgive and then you

564
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: just relax, you can just be yourself, yeah, quietly and

565
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: just have fun with the with the job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you and forgiveness That is key, right for not

568
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Speaker 1: just the other person, for you, I mean there's I

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Speaker 1: believe forgiveness has so many health benefits too. So at

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Speaker 1: the very least, if you're like I don't want to

571
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Speaker 1: forgive someone, like, realize it.

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Speaker 2: It causes less stress and.

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Speaker 3: It's eating the other person's horrible. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You nailed it with that, And I love that reminder,

575
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Speaker 1: which is so so important so I literally want to

576
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Speaker 1: have a twenty hour spiritual conversation with you. I wish

577
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: we had wine, I wish I'm like, now I'm missed

578
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Speaker 1: opportunity next time?

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Speaker 2: For sure?

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, oh, yes, yes, yes yes. As we wrap

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Speaker 1: this conversation up the name of the shows. I've never

582
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Speaker 1: said this before, and it was born because I work

583
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Speaker 1: a lot of red carpets and junkets, and I sit

584
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: with people for two minutes or three minutes if you're lucky,

585
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: and it's such quick conversation, and usually every outlet wants

586
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: the same bite, and you're answering the same question, and

587
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: it's not interesting for you, it's not interesting for us.

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00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: So I said, I'm going to create a show where

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Speaker 1: I can bring people on and we can talk and

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00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: actually have a real conversation and give them a moment

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Speaker 1: at the end to say something that's either on their

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00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: mind or that they've never had a chance to say,

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Speaker 1: or whatever that question means to you. That is up

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Speaker 1: to my guests. So I'm wondering if there is anything

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Speaker 1: today you've never said before.

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Speaker 3: No, there's something I think we should never forget that

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00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 3: it's not only about loving ourselves, it's about being able

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00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 3: to love other people. And that's It's like, loving yourself

599
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: is probably the path to being open to to have

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Speaker 3: the courage to love other people. The courage and the

601
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 3: heart are the same thing. There's this in remember in

602
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Speaker 3: Peter in Sorry Robin Hood, there's Richard heart of Lion

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Speaker 3: that comes back from the war. So that's it's love, right,

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Speaker 3: Let's be brave, let's love m that's all we can

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Speaker 3: do with our lives.

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Speaker 1: That is the most beautiful note to end this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. You call your agent and say

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Speaker 1: I need to do a meditation app or a book

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00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: or something, because you have a lot to give in

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Speaker 1: that space.

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Speaker 2: And I like.

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Speaker 1: The things you have to say about it because they're

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Speaker 1: based off lived experiences and travel as you mentioned, and

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Speaker 1: your life. And I think that in this day and

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Speaker 1: age where there's so much noise and everything's coming at

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Speaker 1: us from a million different directions, things like that are

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Speaker 1: really valuable.

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Speaker 3: So it's hard the noise that we Yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: hard because we need meaning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you create good noise for all of us

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Speaker 1: with your show and your work, and we are so

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Speaker 1: excited for season five.

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Speaker 2: We look forward to many more Stories from.

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Speaker 3: You was great.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yet I couldn't love you more. Andrew Zebra Boots. I'm obsessed.

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Speaker 1: So we will see you on season five of Emily

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Speaker 1: in Paris.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Dederio.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio

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