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Speaker 2: What's going on? Peanut Tillman And welcome to the NFL

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Speaker 2: Player Segments Podcast And with me as always, I got

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Speaker 2: my I got my trusted advisor, my my, my, my

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Speaker 2: younger oldest brother. Ye Roman Harper here and welcome to

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Speaker 2: the show. What's up baby? I feel good. This is

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Speaker 2: gonna be a great day. It's gonna be a great us. First,

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Speaker 2: the bio. I gotta get back into the magic. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Played eleven years in the NFL for the Giants and

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Speaker 2: now the Washington Commanders. Was an All Pro, made Pro

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Speaker 2: Bowl five times. He is in the New York Giants

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Speaker 2: Ring of Honor. He won a Super Bowl as a

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Speaker 2: member of the Giants front office. Now he's a special

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Speaker 2: assistant to the general manager. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

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Speaker 2: Jesse Armstead to the show. All right, thanks for having me. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate me in here. Hold on, I gotta be honest,

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Speaker 2: because just you're the first linebacker that I can remember

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Speaker 2: that were like a ninety number and was like ballin, ballin, ballin,

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Speaker 2: So like that's what really stood out to me. I

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Speaker 2: played with you for many years on the game, and

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Speaker 2: I was and now I'm in awe of you. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know your from Texas. I didn't know much about

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Speaker 2: just being in this moment, sharing this room with you

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Speaker 2: we've done more research and backstory.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm glad to be here also, and Uh, I'm open.

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Speaker 2: But man, i'm here.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you about myself whatever you want to know.

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Speaker 2: And I appreciate that that I'm here, like the country

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Speaker 2: accident all that. Yeah, So I'm a I'm a Dallas

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Speaker 2: or excuse me, out of Dallas. I'm a ford Hood,

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Speaker 2: Central Texas, Belton, Wake, Old Temple Clean. I'm in that area.

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Speaker 2: That's that's those are my roots where I play some football.

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Speaker 2: So nothing like nothing, nothing like Dallas, Carter, of course,

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Speaker 2: but we will get to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a whole Yeah, I got a whole

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Speaker 2: segment for that, because yeah, y'all was crazy. Y'all, y'all

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Speaker 2: was good. Damn y'all was good. So Jesse, let's take

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Speaker 2: it all the way back here. You're a young man,

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Speaker 2: You're you're grew up in like Oak Cliff, right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Fist the cuffs, going back, whatever it took, and your

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Speaker 2: this is amazing, this is crazy story for you to us. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like how does all this happen? And let's take it

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Speaker 2: And also that day, yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know they had a third brother. He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just glad. I'm just glad that I was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fight or flight, Yes, that's all it was. So

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Speaker 1: It just shaped me to a point where you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, if if you ever see somebody chasing me,

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Speaker 2: fight with you knowing what you just did. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: yeah right, my god, just knowing you're paying tolerance like

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I've ran and been on the

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be funny, but true, that's real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I'm Billfitning thing, you know, Uh fortune,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, how that go. I do pack up and

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Speaker 2: because I'm sure you guys are like, it's the mill,

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Speaker 1: Like you saw, you don't get no water, you know,

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Speaker 2: All right, So what was it like to play on

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Speaker 2: that that Dallas Carter team nineteen eighty eight probably considered

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Speaker 2: That's what the movie Friday Night Lights. Let's give some

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Speaker 2: context of that, Dallas Permian was the one that they

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Speaker 2: showcased in the movie Odessa. So yeah, and versus you guys,

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Speaker 2: you guys actually won the game. Oh absolutely. So oft

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Speaker 1: I played basketball. And one day I'm just starting at

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Speaker 2: So you were three times. He's a three time All

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Speaker 2: sophomore year and he had just started playing. Sophomore year

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Speaker 2: and then senior year, you are pretty much the number

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Speaker 2: one player in the country.

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Speaker 1: Number one play in the country. My sophomore year.

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Speaker 2: Get it right, Roll, get it right.

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Speaker 3: Roll's social media, social media.

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Speaker 2: That did you have in one game? That's a great question.

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Speaker 1: Well, my senior, my senior FA with three hundred tackles,

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Speaker 2: Twelve playing X man football teams three hundred, Well, they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have made it. They wouldn't made a movie out

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Speaker 1: The biggest there is in yes state of Texas, so

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Speaker 1: you know, but you know, unfortunately I had a lot

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Speaker 1: on that team. They were going to University of Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately the other part of our story is that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was a big part of it. We all went the

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Speaker 1: state championship.

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Speaker 2: And then.

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Speaker 1: You know, we all started out young, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean we we always gambled, did everything what you do

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Speaker 1: I went to Juvenile my freshman year. Uh, and I

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Speaker 2: That jesse Man, Number one, I appreciate you always keeping

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Speaker 2: Now, do you think there was like any similarities by

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Speaker 1: So I went from one school to next school. And

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Speaker 1: I got intour with a few guys. Then they were like,

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Speaker 1: Cracking sculls out there. I said, whoa. So the media

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Speaker 1: come to me like what you're going to do? You

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Speaker 1: I guarantee I get my job back. So that was

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Speaker 1: But why he wound up getting drafted before I got drafted.

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Speaker 1: gave everybody the eighth round. That's how they gave that

433
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Speaker 1: extra pick. I didn't know all this. I realized that later.

434
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're teaching us, though you know it was

435
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Speaker 1: seven rounds in the friends, you're a freigen so to

436
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: get everybody extra pick, and that's how I wound up

437
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 1: getting picked with that the eighth pick from the Giants.

438
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Speaker 2: You know, and if they want to have that, you've

439
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: probably just been a free agent or the undrafted. He

440
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 2: would have been good, though a lot he used to

441
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: being by itself obviously, so I think that's kind of

442
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 2: like your superpower though, like with somebody. So you can't

443
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: do something just like all right, I'm I can't do

444
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 2: it manifested, I'm gonna keep these receipts and you go

445
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 2: out there and you just ball and you just you

446
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: kill it. I figured that that's your story. Yeah, no,

447
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 2: you're right. It has been my story and I figured

448
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: it out. Man.

449
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Speaker 1: You know, that's one thing I look at all of us.

450
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Speaker 1: You know, you look at the guys that's successful in

451
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Speaker 1: life regardless, they'll figure it out, you know, and by

452
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 1: just competitive, you're figure anything out.

453
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Speaker 3: You know.

454
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: Now, what was it like when you were at the

455
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: University of Miami when you saw the Rock? Was it

456
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: Was there anything special about him? Did you? Was it

457
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 2: was it like, oh yeah, this's gonna be pretty good,

458
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: or it's just like man, whatever he ain't ain't gonna

459
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: be nothing. Did you Did you even notice him? Was

460
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Speaker 2: it a thing?

461
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 4: Well?

462
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: You Rock can tell the story that he noticed me.

463
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Speaker 3: I like that.

464
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: In the show The Young Rock, the guy that plays you.

465
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Speaker 2: Did you really say that to him? I was? I was.

466
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Speaker 2: I was a dumb when that camera You mean, the

467
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Speaker 2: nice side of me, I'm a good change man, I

468
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: would have got you know, you like me? You don't

469
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 2: hate me? You know according to the movie. I mean

470
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: on the show you said, uh, he said, oh, you're

471
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Speaker 2: the starring linebacker. You're like, no, I'm I'm d number

472
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Speaker 2: one linebacker in the country. That's how you introduce yourself.

473
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Speaker 2: I mean you corrected me earlier, So I'm sorry.

474
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: Exactly what it is, I am number one line back

475
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: in the country, number two, number two. I can say

476
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Speaker 1: I've been number I've been number two before. Nobody remember

477
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Speaker 1: number two. I played in the Super Bowl, lost it.

478
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Speaker 1: I don't remember the number two. Remember number one? The

479
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: best linebackers were number one. I'm not number one.

480
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Speaker 2: I love that. So what was it like when you

481
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: finally got drafted in the eighth round and you got

482
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Speaker 2: to play? I mean your rookiear was Lawrence Taylor's. Uh

483
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: that was his last year? Now was that? Was my

484
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: interpretation is when I got in the league, we still

485
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: had like those old school vets to where hey they

486
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: had super vets back in the day, Hey go tell

487
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: Jesse to give me something to eat. Could they didn't

488
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Speaker 2: even talk to rookies, so I can only I'm imagining,

489
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: but this is our theory. This is my theory, is

490
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: that he didn't even talk to rookies. LT.

491
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Speaker 1: Lawrence like did he Yeah, who's all in that linebacker

492
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Speaker 1: room because we had uh l T had uh Pepper Johnson, Ok. Yeah,

493
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: people of the Dog now yeah you had. We got

494
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Speaker 1: in Michael Brooks, he came out of Denver. We paid

495
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Speaker 1: him all that money that year. He came in and

496
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Speaker 1: he's a beast man. Michael Brooks. He came out of

497
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: L s U and with Denver and yeah, I mean

498
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Speaker 1: you were talking about the toughest line bake. You want

499
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Speaker 1: to face a tough And then he had Carton Bailey

500
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: came from off the Buffalo team. You know, we just

501
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: let Banks had just left him went to Cleveland with.

502
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Speaker 2: Uh uh yeah, it'll come here, It'll come to me. Yeah.

503
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: So so we had a room, we had a we

504
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: had a stack room.

505
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Speaker 1: We had some young linebackers in there also, and we

506
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: were sitting probably like fifteen deep when I was there

507
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: at linebackers, and the guy got in, you know, and

508
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Speaker 1: with my opportunity ever come because when I get to

509
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: the third thirteen and when we get to fourteen, drill

510
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: over with you know, so I'm not never gonna get

511
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: to show myself at all, you know what I mean?

512
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Speaker 1: And I was real small, you know, I wasn't a

513
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: conventional linebackers. I was two hundred and twenty five pounds. Yeah,

514
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: and I could just run. But we had linebackers two

515
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds that was grown ass men still,

516
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: and the game was different.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Bill Belichick was the coach. Yeah, I don't know how.

518
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: I don't know how we forget about that because it's

519
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: time in Cleveland. That's why we're not at all about it. Yeah,

520
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: it was a blur. It was all so that was

521
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: back when like you had like a like real like

522
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: real deal sam linebackers. You played on the weak side, yeah, obviously,

523
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: and where you really made your hay at. I just

524
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Speaker 2: think it's so amazing. At what point you you played

525
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: special teams the first couple of years and then when

526
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: did you get your first real break and cracking like okay?

527
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Speaker 2: And then from here on it was it was all

528
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 2: set and stone. Well.

529
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Speaker 1: I was running covering everybody at practice and either LT

530
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Speaker 1: and Michael Brooks and like, hey man, they got put

531
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Speaker 1: a young dude in man, put them somewhere. And so

532
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: what they did they created me, put me in the slot.

533
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: So I was a nickel cover guy. Oh, so people

534
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: don't realize that. You look at it if people looking

535
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Speaker 1: ninety three and I covered the slot, and I was

536
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: used to come the slot because of the universe minment.

537
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: I never came out I'll cover the slot. So it

538
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: was just come a thing to me when I got there,

539
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: but everybody was amazed. I'm like, shoot, man, you see

540
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: the receivers. I had to come and slot. I had

541
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: nightmares sitting there here in college. But make a long story, shrug.

542
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: I get there and I started playing everything. I had

543
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: to go to special team because that was an opportunity,

544
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: and they wanted somebody to go down Scott team and

545
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: give him a look. And I kept going down, kept

546
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Speaker 1: going down, and finally they put them in the game.

547
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Speaker 1: And that's when a lot of success happened for me

548
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: on special teams. And I was so good on special

549
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: team they they wanted to always keep me there. Yeah,

550
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: and then I loved Joe. Joe was a great special

551
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: team dec Miller. He was a special team coach and

552
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: went on and won him to Super Bowl. Real good

553
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: special team coach. But I decided that I want to

554
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Speaker 1: be a starter. After I got the starting position and

555
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: I could lead Joe for that one guy, and I

556
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: still start on any spect team and doing that. Eventually

557
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: John's like, na, yeah, I got we gotta cut him off.

558
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: See that another guy that started on defense and plays

559
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: special teams. He's talking about himself. Yeah, that was not

560
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: special teams start. It's like special team dogs. I don't

561
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: know about this. I'm honest, honest, I'm honest. And because

562
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: it's hard though, I think if you play special team,

563
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 2: let me just look at the camp when I say this,

564
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: all right, when you play special teams, you better do

565
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: it young because you can't do it not play special

566
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: team and didn't do it late. It's like a young

567
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: man's game. You need to get baptized early in it.

568
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: And you're yeah, we're gonna take a short break and

569
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: we'll be right back. Jess. I got to know this,

570
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: and I feel like I know your answer the more

571
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: and more we've spoken to you. But I want to know.

572
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: In Super Bowl thirty five, you had to pick six

573
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: that got called back. The score was just seven to

574
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: nothing at the time in the second quarter. Does that

575
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: pick change the whole outlook of that game with you

576
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: guys in the Giants possibly to win it, versus like

577
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 2: what happened at the end of the end result being

578
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: thirty four to seven.

579
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at it, it would have changed

580
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: the game because now they have to play an on

581
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 1: this game. And they never scored again on our defense.

582
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: We go through the game. Everything else was the interceptions

583
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: and the kickoff return and everything like that. They didn't

584
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: scored to the end of the game. When the game

585
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: was over with the last punched the ball in. But

586
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: they had a great defense. They had a number one defense.

587
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: We had a number two defense, you guys. But they

588
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: stood up to the mat. They stood up and they

589
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: challenged our offense, and offense.

590
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: Didn't sure they have a great day. They didn't have

591
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: a great day, and they came out on top. It's crazy, though,

592
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: because first of all, that suit bow thirty five as

593
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: were referencing Baltimore versus versus the New York Giants, and

594
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: the Giants actually see that. You're going back to it.

595
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: I really thought Minnesota was gonna win in the NFC

596
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: Championship game. So your guys offensively, just play lights out.

597
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: Oh they played light out, and the defense gave us

598
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: zero points.

599
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: You know, like you play together, you know, and that's

600
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: how it happened, you know, and and you know we

601
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: had that was when you have two weeks in between

602
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I'm not saying we calm, we similar

603
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: down or nothing like that. We went into there in

604
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl felt like that we won't win that game.

605
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: And hey, you know I coached it. We had a

606
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: good approach, but I don't We had to approach a

607
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: just play the game, and they had to approach that

608
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: we won't go out, we'll draw ourself and we won't

609
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: play the game and won't win the game.

610
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: You know.

611
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: So they had the mentality and we didn't match that

612
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: mentality when the game time came.

613
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: Who was that quarterback Trent Yeah, Baltimore, Baltimore, Yeah, yeah,

614
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: in the state. Yeah yeah, I remember that.

615
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: That's one thing that you know, you sit back and

616
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: you say, uh, those things that you regret, you know

617
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: deep down inside. You know, I was very fortunately you

618
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: know one two NAS championship, I lost one. And you

619
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: still you start looking back when you get to a

620
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: certain agent life like man, I blew that, I blew that,

621
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: you know.

622
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: H don't look at me, don't don't do not even

623
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 2: look at me, do not even next I'm insults all day.

624
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: So I lost to I'm own too in my super Bowl. Yeah,

625
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: so I'm just like, I know we're family in that

626
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: kind of situation, I don't want to bring that up.

627
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: I'm still talking about it. So then when we do

628
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: we do these shels, do these podcasts at super Bowl,

629
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Speaker 2: He's always just like, well, I'm good, I got my ring,

630
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm good, and then he throw it in my face

631
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: because I never want a super Bowl. It's just like, man,

632
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 2: it's really sounded like a hit dog holler situation right

633
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: now because I didn't say anything.

634
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gave me a look, I'm on your side.

635
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: He's another shining I want one. I got I got

636
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: to on the other side. But that's on the other side.

637
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: You know.

638
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: So when I wear you know, I wear my rings

639
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: when I wear them, but it's not like that one

640
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: that he got on there. You know, it's different. Let

641
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: me ask this, after losing one as a player and

642
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: winning one in the front office, I want to I'm sorry,

643
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: excuse me, winning two in the front office. How does

644
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: that feel? I feel?

645
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: You know, I feel great, you know what I mean?

646
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: I feel great, But uh, I can imagine how I

647
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: would feel as a player. As a player, you know. Uh,

648
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: And that's why you know, I never want to be

649
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: in that situation again. If I hate to be in

650
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: that situation, even if I'm in the front office. Don't

651
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: lose it. I know how it feels to lose it,

652
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: you know.

653
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: So this is a perfect tell us, tell us bew

654
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: I feel you know, he want to trust me.

655
00:31:59,040 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: He does, he does.

656
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: He got that quietness of them like I got some

657
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: I got something to tears comes down, stop crying, I say.

658
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 2: Tried to bring it up. Try not to bring it up.

659
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: I tried to. First of all, it does feel great.

660
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: All I wanted when I went to Carolina with these guys,

661
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: I wanted them to have that same feeling because I

662
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: knew what it felt like. And so when you you

663
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: have that locker room, those brothers, and you've been to

664
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: the top the pinnacle and you win it, and you know,

665
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: and I'll be honest with you, Jesse, it was the

666
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: first time I'd ever been in that meeting where the

667
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: coach has nothing to say and it's something to be

668
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: said about that, like, oh no, we did it. When

669
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: there's nothing it's just pure Outlandi's joy. You get to

670
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: share this moment and for real, like you walk with that,

671
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: you walk with that team forever, like we're brother. The

672
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: same thing when you said about Dallas Carters, like they

673
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: can't take that whooping, Like they can't take that back.

674
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: And no matter what they say, no matter what they

675
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: try and point fingers at, you have that to go

676
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: along with you forever. And that's like the you know,

677
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: that's after your dash, you know what I'm saying, when

678
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: you when you die or whenever. It's like Roman Harper

679
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: super Bowl Champion, d like that's part of me forever.

680
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: And I don't put on the peanut.

681
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: Low's that's if you want to put it over there

682
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: that I would say, lead off with it.

683
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: You know I wouldn't lead off, you know what I'm saying.

684
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: But other than that, though, it's you always say this.

685
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: I want this question though because you want you have

686
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: two super Bowl rings. But from your voice, from your

687
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: what I'm hearing is that it's just different. And so

688
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: is it better to have loved and lost or not

689
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: have loved at all? Meaning would you rather never have

690
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: gone or go and lose and never go back. I'd

691
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: rather been there because I had a chance at the fight.

692
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: You know, you know and I've been at the fighting

693
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: from high school winning championship, to win in two national

694
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: championship and to be at the fight at the biggest

695
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: arena you could be in in the Superlow.

696
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 2: And that day I didn't win in the biggest arena.

697
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: And I normally win in the big arena, and that

698
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: was one time I didn't. Uh so So, from high

699
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: school to college, then you get to the league, was

700
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: there a difference? Were you nervous when you got to

701
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl? He was like no, man, I'd have

702
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: done this, Damnar like three times. Was there any nerves

703
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: or was this like nah, we got this. I got this.

704
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: I was never nervous from from high school to college

705
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: or college from the pros I been. People don't realize

706
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: I've been on top of my whole life. So it

707
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: was nothing that you want to show me. And the

708
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: only thing I have done wrong is that one time

709
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: they had Eugene Lock called the hitting Machine or Dallas

710
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: Cowboys linebacker, and they had him in the restaurant and

711
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: this is one thing I did wrong, And they were like, Jesse,

712
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Eugenie is back there. I'm like, well, I'm here, you

713
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was high school then, yeah,

714
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: but that was I wish a high school kid would

715
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: had that mentality of a pro athlete that's in the building.

716
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: He had an attitude. You don't have that attitude. And

717
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I always ate me up and

718
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: insign that. I'm like, how would you sit up there

719
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: and think that you that damn good? This man is

720
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: a professional athlete and you sitting there, butter think they

721
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: should come see you, you know, because they Michael Irving,

722
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: you had Steve Diassi. They used come to see me

723
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: playing high school and I wind up playing with Steve

724
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: Dissi later on, you know what I mean. And so

725
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: they used come to the uh to the pep Rillies

726
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and they want to see me

727
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: play in high school. So you had that mentality thing

728
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: that you had a certain kind of level in your mind. Yeah,

729
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: but no, you're just in high school, bro, you know,

730
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: he been professional athletes.

731
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: That's funny, Like the one thing, like, dude, I have

732
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: a grip of regret and it's all the way back

733
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: to high school because I was just too much about me. Yeah, yeah,

734
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: come off so humble. Now, I would have never guessed

735
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: it like that was who you were then. Yeah, versus

736
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: how like you said, you've changed it. If you talk

737
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: to my wife, she said she hated me then.

738
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: Shared in college and she literally got the pro cub

739
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: became a whole different person, you know what I mean?

740
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: You know, maybe the things you had, you know, like

741
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: I got success so early, you know, and had all

742
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: the way through. And most people normally get it in

743
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: the pros or they get it in college. Yeah, I

744
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: had it from day one and my first put on

745
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: park cliques, you know. Yeah, and normally don't happen like that.

746
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: That's not And I rode the wave too. I rode

747
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: the real hard.

748
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: You know.

749
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: So when you retired, you played fifteen or sixteen games,

750
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: you had six and a half sacks, you had one

751
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: hundred tackles, and then you end up retiring and you

752
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: I mean what it on paper it looked like you

753
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: had a really good season. What do you think led

754
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: you to retire? Well?

755
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: I actually went to Carolina and a very interesting conversation

756
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: told me I wasn't going to be a starter. I

757
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: want they had a young guy where and that I

758
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: won't to be.

759
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: His backup.

760
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: I believe in letting everybody could pete for a job. Yeah,

761
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that I was better than him

762
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: at the time, but don't put me in a box.

763
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: And so after they put me in that box and

764
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: I heard my boicep, I said, you know what, I

765
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: just had a surgery. And I had a surgery and

766
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: then I just said I'm done.

767
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: Okay. Now, how long after did you you, like take

768
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: time off before you transitioned into being the special assistant

769
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: to the GM.

770
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: You know what, it's hard when you lead a game

771
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: of football, you know, if you really love the game

772
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: of football, and it's just so hard something that you've

773
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: been doing all your life. And it took me a

774
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: year and a half. Actually, John's called me back a

775
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: year later in two thousand and six for me to

776
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: come back for the playoff game and they were going

777
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: to sign me in the front office and they were happy,

778
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: but Tom Kaufman and I can't think of the defensive

779
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: coordinator name. They didn't want to have nothing to do

780
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: with me because they just had to deal with straight

781
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: hand going against Tom and all this kind of stuff

782
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: like that.

783
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: They can't bring in the most super vets. We can't

784
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: take it no more. Yeah, So they were like they

785
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: didn't want to and so they didn't sign me, and so.

786
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: Mister Marl, actually, you know, they all offered me an

787
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to be with the team, and you know you're

788
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: still in the inside. I'm like Noah. And then later

789
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: on I decided yes, and they brought me back in

790
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, and everything else is history from

791
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: that point on.

792
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: So what did you do to stay busy while you

793
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: were away for like, yeah, thirteen fourteen months?

794
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: You know from the game, you know, can you play golf?

795
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: No golf of me, No golf for me, man, my passion.

796
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm tired of all your athletes.

797
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: Man.

798
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't play on golf. Man, I'm not that good,

799
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: but I love it. I don't have the patience, you know.

800
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: You know I do charity events because you know I

801
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: have out the charity. But after I sit there like

802
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: nine holes, I'm like a kid.

803
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: Then you mad at my spirit animal?

804
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: Right, I start doing things I'm not supposed to be doing,

805
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: talking on the phone and be like, come on, man,

806
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: bro y'all come to my game.

807
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: Y'all.

808
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: Are y'all fuss talking about me? Boom me and everything else?

809
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: And you can't hit a little ball? Come on, man,

810
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: So I spent I spend time with my family, you know,

811
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: and one thing I wanted to do it to have

812
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: opportunity where I always can have time to raise up

813
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: my kids, because I already took away from their life

814
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: with the football part. And so my thing was that

815
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: I want to have an opportunity where I still could

816
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: be with the kids and everything else and help put

817
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: in my work at the house and did my thing.

818
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: And they came to Jersey and they wound up graduating

819
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: from high school in Jersey and wind up going off

820
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: to college and graduate from college. And now it's my

821
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: free time to focus on whatever I want to focus

822
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: on and keep improving that the New York Giants kids

823
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: you have, I have two daughters.

824
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: I have one Jail.

825
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: She graduated from TCU and wind up going to New

826
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: York at LA Film Academy in Burbank and now she

827
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: just graduated and trying to get into writing and production

828
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 1: and everything else. My other daughters she graduated from North

829
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: Texas and she into fashion design, and you know, and

830
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: now it's just me with extra time my wife, and

831
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, she looked for me to go on to

832
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: something else, and I'm just gonna keep working at Johnson

833
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna make sure to get that train back

834
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: on track.

835
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: Well, talk about getting the train back on track. Are

836
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: you involved in any of the draft process? I know

837
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: you guys drafted a Cavon Thimbadeau last year in the

838
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: first round. I think he's actually called him an apex

839
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: predator when he was in college because he has that

840
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: type of ability. Just what's your involvement with upstairs? And

841
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: do you ever help with the draft process and over

842
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: the years who you fell in love with, if you

843
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: have and who you be? Like, man, I didn't see

844
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: the questions. I just want to kind of like take

845
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 2: him in direction. Can't ask seven questions. Bro, just asked

846
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: him like one, I'm taking him in the whole direction.

847
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to spitball at all. Go yeah, well you

848
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: know when you start.

849
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: I also work with the day to day players, you know,

850
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: and trying to actually help them anything they need to

851
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: know in any kind of way. Sometime they run a

852
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: problem they they can't figure out and they want to

853
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: run by a big bro.

854
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: They call, you know, and I talked to him.

855
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: But and for as a draft process, I started getting

856
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: involved in the draft process a little more each year.

857
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: And either when you just brought up Tipodeau, a lot

858
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: of people in Thibodeau's coming out just questioning was he

859
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: gonna be there for football or he won't be there

860
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: for the would come with football, the fame and the

861
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: off the field stuff. But I looked at a guy

862
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: like Tipe though that was kind of like myself. He

863
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: was a top rated player. He was top rated in

864
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: the high school, got to college same way. And if

865
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: you people don't realize, if you watch a person when

866
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: they younger, they don't be consistent who they are when

867
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: they get older. And he still had that pedigree and

868
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: I look at him, still have that pedigree now, and

869
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: he just got the one thing. You got to keep

870
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: stay focused and block out everything and work hard. You

871
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: can't never sit back and take a deep breath, because

872
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: you never can take that deep breath, not in New

873
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: York City. New York wants you to perform every week.

874
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: And that's why people want to say, what's so different

875
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: about New York Because you have a one week next week,

876
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: they expected some great out of you. So that's one

877
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: thing why players don't make it in New York City.

878
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: And that's one thing that he got to stay focused

879
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: on plan and performing every week.

880
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a great that's a great concept. I always

881
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: think it's so hard to play new and you think, like, oh,

882
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: it's just the media, but like you said, it's like no,

883
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: it's the pressure to perform week after week after week

884
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: at the highest level because like, once you see it,

885
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: we don't forget it. Yeah, yeah, in New York like that.

886
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one thing that I'm well respecting New

887
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: York because I gave him everything I had. And one

888
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: thing about when they came in, when they seen that

889
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: number ninety eight, they knew that that was going to

890
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: be there every Sunday for you. And he don't give

891
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: everything he got, win, lose a draw. You go home

892
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: that night and say, hey, he gave it to us

893
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: that night, you know. And that's how I look at

894
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: I tell all players that come through New York, give

895
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: them what you got. If you give it to him,

896
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: they'll reward you in a long term. And I've been

897
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: rewarded to be able to be with one of the

898
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: greatest teams all my life.

899
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: You know, one more last question for me, did you

900
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: want to the last question? Did you miss out on

901
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: your timing? Because like now that people can wear whatever

902
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: number they want, you didn't get to wear number.

903
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: One, No, because you know why I wasn't changing because

904
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I went number forty six.

905
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: They just gave me a number because I was nothing.

906
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: And I put on that number and I made it

907
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: to be in the number one line back in the

908
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: nation that year. Right then I got so cocky, I said,

909
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: give me that number one. And I get that number one.

910
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: I had two career indie injuries. Right I get to

911
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: New York, they say, hey, get that number over that.

912
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, dat man, I think hendy, say, don't worry

913
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: about you want me here much longer?

914
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

915
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: You know? And so every time I handed something, I

916
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: made it to be come pretty good. When I chose

917
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: that number one, I had heck on my hands, those myths.

918
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, like it's funny how you weave that methodis

919
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: it's like your own interpretation is like, yeah, because I

920
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: picked it, it's bad. Look now, no, someone just got

921
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: to give it to you. Super assistant said, players go

922
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: through on game days. Oh my god, yeah, I have

923
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: my own super little resity kept He kept too, like,

924
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: oh you ain't gonna be here long. Yeah, okay, I

925
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: got you.

926
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still know the guy who told me that

927
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: he still working the Giants. I don't want to call him,

928
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, I know, you know, I know.

929
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's funny. So let's transition to like when

930
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: you first got in the league. What was your welcome

931
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: to the NFL moment when you got there? We all

932
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: you know it, whether it be a hit, whether it's

933
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: you know, taking linebackers out to dinner, something in practice, something,

934
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: maybe a coach said something to you.

935
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: Just you know, you had to stand on the chair,

936
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: you know, you had to say what school you're from? Yeah,

937
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: and put your hand on your heart and say what

938
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: your signing bonus was. And so I had to stand

939
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: in front of everybody and no big deal. Whatever I

940
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: believe in, whatever you're supposed to do, I'm gonna do. Yeah,

941
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: you know I did what Howard Cross called names. You know,

942
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: I'll see you big Howard Howard a big, big tight end.

943
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: He said, Oh, where school you come from?

944
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: I said, Universe minment. He said, didn't you just get

945
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: whooped the nut championship? And everybody?

946
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: So I said, hey man, but my first year, I

947
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: got my first ring when I whooped you. You wanted

948
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: to fight me then and it just came.

949
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: Out, you know, you know, so they so they they

950
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: were after me then, you know what I mean, the

951
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: tight end, you know.

952
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: And so they were like, all right, you know, and

953
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: so now they always after me. I'm small, okay. So

954
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: we go to practice and Derrick Brown was coming across

955
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: and they alway after me. I must have tried to

956
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: decapitate him and he laid on the ground. I laid

957
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: on the ground like I was knocked out. Tode you

958
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: laid down. He was the first run Drift Truss, I

959
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: know the name.

960
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: I laid down like I just man, boy, that was

961
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: a big time. I said, Oh, I am all right,

962
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: I just cutting me, you know, take take it in

963
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: you know the locker room.

964
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

965
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm just trying to make sure I

966
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: don't get cut.

967
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: You know.

968
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: That's when the older guys that were like dapping me

969
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: up and they kind of brought me across. Then, you know,

970
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: I say, pretty tough. That's a great well that would

971
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: be the best one I heard. But I just I

972
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: was playing there like I heard too, when you get cut, Yeah, yeah,

973
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: I just laid there. You go, yeah, I'm good. Oh

974
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: my god, would be the best one I've ever heard.

975
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's the one. All right. I want

976
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: you to tell me. You just talked about bragging about

977
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: winning championship at Miami. What is tell me a story

978
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: or something that sums up your time at Miami, at

979
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: the Universe of Mimmy at that time too. Of course

980
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: I could have been there. I'll tell you what. There's nobody.

981
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.

982
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: I know, guys work out and train. It's nobody to

983
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: train and compete like guys at the Universe Miami. We

984
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: went at each other like like games was easy, you

985
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We challenged each other. Ex players

986
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: come back, you know, Mike, all of them come back,

987
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: Melvin Braddon. You start looking guys to come back. They

988
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: get challenged by the college kids, you know what I mean.

989
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, we want to compete against them.

990
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: You know.

991
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh he's in pro No, when you

992
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: step on that field, we all go at each other,

993
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, And that was the atmosphere around there. You

994
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: know what your brother next, you could do and you

995
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: had his back, he had your back, and that's how

996
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: we rolled no matter where we went, you know. Uh,

997
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: and that's why we got in trouble together.

998
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: We won together. You know, we want Scared to get

999
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: in on trouble and we want Scared to win. You know,

1000
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: that's a great point. I got friends that went to

1001
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: you and when we won a super Bowl, not trying

1002
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: to bring that back up. We practiced at you guys's facility.

1003
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: And when I got there, because that always heard about

1004
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 2: do you do you do you? And then I get that,

1005
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, this place is just alright, Like

1006
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: the facility was not, and it was. And then my

1007
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: man Bilma was like, no, bro, it's really about the people. Yeah,

1008
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: it's the people here that make it special. The guys

1009
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: that come back, the guys that represent the you. It's

1010
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: all about the players that thing. Yeah. So when we

1011
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: Super Bowl forty, not at your facility as well. And

1012
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: then there's like the I guess the rope that you

1013
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: couldn't walk over to you yeah or whatever this new thing.

1014
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, but it was just like I remember Devin

1015
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: was someone says something that was like, hey man, I

1016
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: swear to God, do not walk on like it was

1017
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: like it was like a carpet. It was the emblem

1018
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: or whatever. And I was just like, oh, y'all, y'all,

1019
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: well I remember they said that it was it was

1020
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: like an old brown couch and the players locker room, like, bro,

1021
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: what's up? Like they were like, dude, like there's so

1022
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: many fights that's been happening here, Like you challenge casting? Like, bro,

1023
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: you take it. We had real fights.

1024
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like you know, like like if you

1025
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: want to challenge somebody, that's a real fight, you know

1026
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not we don't back down, you

1027
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like guys do all this talking

1028
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and we're not like that. Man.

1029
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't like you won't go at it.

1030
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1031
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well look I think that's it. J

1032
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: just well, I got let's get out here. On the

1033
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: question we always ask, oh, Mount Rushmore, if you had

1034
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: to pick four people that have had a very good

1035
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: influence in your life, mom, dad, bro, whoever, anybody you

1036
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: want a name, who would those four people be? Be?

1037
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: My mom? My dad?

1038
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: All right? Tell us why?

1039
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: Well my mom because she stopped in ninth grade, not

1040
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: graduate high school.

1041
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: Two kids.

1042
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: Had kids fifteen fifteen. They had me at eighteen, and

1043
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: I can't handle kids, and I'm a grown man. I

1044
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: don't know how they did. But she survived with two boys,

1045
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: you know. And then uh, my daddy, he was a

1046
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: street dude, you know what I mean. He found a

1047
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: way to take care of us and did what a

1048
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: man had to do sometime. I understand, But as a

1049
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: grown man, I understand now, you know, and so I

1050
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: respect him tremendously on that deal. Uh, he's not here

1051
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: no more. But hey, I'm just liking you know what

1052
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: I mean, And go get her, put him.

1053
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: In a field.

1054
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. And then uh be my wife.

1055
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: We've been together since with fourteen, you know. So Uh

1056
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: she the scene up down and she been by me.

1057
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: Ain't no and nothings been to make her leave, you know. Uh,

1058
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: and didn't be my brother.

1059
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1060
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: So my brother's considered my best friend. Uh I call

1061
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: him now no matter where I'm at, he's coming, you know.

1062
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: So you got to deal with two of us now

1063
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: he three or five, six of us too.

1064
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: You got to deal with it.

1065
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: I like it.

1066
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: I like it. Well, look just hey, thanks for coming

1067
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: on the show man, appreciate you. I love the Welcome

1068
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: to the NFL Woman story by far my best one

1069
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: that I've heard, I've heard of all I guess we've had.

1070
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: That is by far the favorite on this show. Man,

1071
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: appreciate you, Wishing you and a giant's another but success

1072
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: this upcoming SIDR now, thank you all for having me. No, man,

1073
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Man, thanks for blessing with our time. Man,

1074
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna also thank my co host Peanut Man, everybody

1075
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 2: that really pours into this thing, and Jesse pouring more

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts. Please thank you. Give us a five star

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Speaker 2: rating of review. Click follow. Man, this was good, This

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Speaker 2: was great, Thank you, Jesse. Appreciate that. Man, Thank you guys.

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