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Speaker 1: do it. But I do remember always being able to

427
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: be with him and watch him do it, which was

428
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: learned from that. Okay, So did you know the colonel

429
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: and Elvis? I knew the colonel. I met Elvis ice

430
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I know him. So do you think

431
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: the colonel was born in America or not? I think

432
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: the colonel was probably not born in America. But who

433
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: cares if you don't know that the colonel he was

434
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: famously why he didn't have Elvis tour overseas? You want

435
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: to say something clear. Yes, I have a funny story

436
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: about Tom Hewitt. Why why do you first explain who

437
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: Tom was? Okay, Tom was the head of Concerts West

438
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: And when I knew Tom, he was already involved with jury.

439
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: And we had put on this concert and Tom was

440
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: there and he said, I'm hungry. I want to go

441
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: out and eat afterwards. I said, okay, And he had

442
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: his hugual cowboy look on, no jacket. It was warm weather,

443
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: and I figured, where am I going to take him

444
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: in Piladelphia. It's late Maybe a hotel would be the

445
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: best idea. So the best hotel in Philadelphia at that

446
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: time was the Bellevue Stratford, and we walk in in

447
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: the major. Days says, of course we can see you,

448
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: but uh, the gentleman will have to wear a jacket.

449
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: And Tom says, the jacket, What do you mean? Well,

450
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: it's rule here in the hotel gentlemen have to wear

451
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: a jackets. And I will lend you a jacket. And

452
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Tom looked at him, scowled and said, I can't go

453
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: anywhere in the country. I can't go anywhere in California

454
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: without a jacket. And I'll be damned if I'm gonna

455
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: come in here and wear that scraggly old jacket. You

456
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: want me to wear it? So what happened? Naturally we

457
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: didn't get served. So Bob, let's go back once you start,

458
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: once you leave practicing law, and you're working for Jerry.

459
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: What is your gig president of manager three in Concerts West.

460
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: So so you oversaw both both and that continued for

461
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: how long? That was about five years? Okay, So Concerts

462
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: West was just developing. And we've heard stories about the

463
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: innovation of Jerry. Do you remember other innovations that you

464
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: had working with Conscience West and Jerry Well, I mean,

465
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: the genius of Concerts West was a fair count. I

466
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: mean one of the lines from Mickey Rewden he did

467
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: tell those things that you know, like like you asked,

468
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: he said, if anybody ever asked you what you want

469
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: in life? First count. So now you've got people going

470
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: out on the road that we're not getting first count. Okay,

471
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: that was when, as Peter said, that was when it

472
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: was a cash business. Well, it was a cash it

473
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: was a cash business. But even if it wasn't a

474
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: cash business, that's the cash that they already counted. And

475
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: it was before computers. Well, but but it was when

476
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: you when you had all of these with the agents

477
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: and they were driving prices and looking for guarantees, and

478
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: then some of the promoters were put up against it,

479
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: and they would find ways to make the guarantee work.

480
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: And the ways they would make the guarantee work. The

481
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: facility charge might not be accurate, the sounding lights might

482
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: not be accurate, the catering was a little bit too high.

483
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: Concerts West didn't do any of that to this day.

484
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: And and so you could always promise more to your artists.

485
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: The artist are the artist would always get more. But

486
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: not only would they get more, they'd get it right. So,

487
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: I mean, one of Jerry's best ideas was once a

488
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: concert was sold out, he took up thank you add out,

489
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: or he'd take a second add out when you didn't

490
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: need the second ad because it was going to bring

491
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: it back the next time. It was going to make

492
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: the concert more exciting. He would never let any seats

493
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: go in the first five rows that weren't to the fans.

494
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: And he learned that from Elvis and the corneal Right,

495
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: there's there and and if you ever let your artists

496
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: play with empty seats, you're dead. But I still do

497
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: that today. First in Rows Must Go and South to

498
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: the Public. Well, that is book he talks about the

499
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: first team, does Elvis. So when you're in this situation,

500
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: especially in the seventies, how do you fill the seats? Wow?

501
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: We had some great techniques back then. Do you know

502
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: what the best one was? The hospitals and the hospitals Yeah,

503
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, but it's the nurses. See, there's

504
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's like if you've got two d beds,

505
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, you may have eighty or whatever, two nurses

506
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: for bed. What are nursese for every day whatever? But

507
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: there's two shifts always not working when the concert's going on.

508
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: So our our line was always, um, well Mr Denver

509
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: was we're holding these seats for the record company and

510
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: we we can't put them back on seats solo. Mr

511
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: Denver likes us to offer him up to you know,

512
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: people who could use them, and that that that's how

513
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: we got to know a lot of nurses. When it

514
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: was great, I mean nurses the hospitals they were like

515
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: number one, and then you go you go firemen and

516
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: police after that, but hospitals were best. I did that

517
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: in the Vietnam wool was going on and I we

518
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: had a show down in um in San Diego and

519
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: it just wasn't going. And so my brother in law

520
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: was a colonel in the Marine Corps Camp Pendulum. So

521
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: I turned around Seve Money, I got some seats we

522
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: wanted here, and you know, could you use him? He said, oh,

523
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: we got. There are these guys, you know, they're cooped

524
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: up in the camp. I love it. They sent bust loads,

525
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: busts of troops of Marines to the to the facility.

526
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: And many years later, when his daughter got married, there

527
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: was this four star general there and turn Ray said, Peter,

528
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: I want you to come and meet this guy. And

529
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: he went up and he said colonel, and he had

530
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: the general, he had his name, and he said, this

531
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: is the man that provided something like two thousand seats

532
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: to the Marine Corps when they were all in Vietnam.

533
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: And he went, oh, thank you. And he turns around

534
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: and he pulls his coin out of his pocket and

535
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: apparently it's some calling the card, and he gives it

536
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: to me and he says, you ever need anything, just

537
00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: give him that. Have you ever used it? No, don't

538
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: get in trouble. But it was, but we I remember,

539
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: so I'll never forget. In Houston, Texas at the summit

540
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: after the show, Um, I get roamed over the phone.

541
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm getting room for by your dad,

542
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: and all I know is I need to go see

543
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: the principle. Neil was always called the principle, you know,

544
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: getting to see the print, and Bonafett he'd always be

545
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: on the phone on the radio going out the principles.

546
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Protrusion is protruding from the principle, you know, So you

547
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: have to go in and see the principle. And I

548
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: go walk it in Neil's dressing room and he goes,

549
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, John. I walked out there tonight and the

550
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: flag rolled right, remember flag on America always rolled down.

551
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: And I looked out there was it was just nothing

552
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: but a massive people. And I went to the right

553
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: and there was a massive people. And I went to

554
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: the left and I walked behind the stage and there

555
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: were five empty rows. And I didn't know what to do.

556
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: And all you could do is go, you know, I'm sorry,

557
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: Mr Diamond. Never happened again. Right, that was it? And

558
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: then you got but you got man, you did that,

559
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: you got reamed. If they were empty seats with John

560
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: Denver was also remember the light from the curtains. That

561
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: was like his thing with the light from the curtains

562
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: from the bombs. You know how they'd have curtains to

563
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: close it over so the concourse light wouldn't go in.

564
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: He'd go nw clear if those things were left open,

565
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: you know. But all of them had their little things.

566
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, you had to learn it. Okay, Bob, going

567
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: back to management, you work with a lot of characters,

568
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: did you Did you work with Peter Grant, your personally

569
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: Peter Grant a little bit the led Zeppelin tours, it

570
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: just about tailed tailed out, Okay, that was one. And

571
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: what it was like between him and Jerry, because certainly

572
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: they had a great relationship. Really yeah, they had a

573
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: very very good relationship. Jerry had a longstanding relationship with

574
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: their attorney, um forget his name at the moment. Yeah,

575
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: but Steven Joyce. Okay, Steven, so talking about the management company.

576
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: So when you came in, he already had John Denver, Denver, Diamond,

577
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: Dellan Moody, Blues, Carpenters, beach Boys. I mean we represented

578
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: Rick James, who represented the Pointer sisters. Okay. Usually usually

579
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: acts or you know, they want complete attention. Other than

580
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: John Dever, who ultimately left for his own reasons, the

581
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: Acts didn't leave. How what what made you? What made

582
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: them stay at management three? Well, Jerry was that type

583
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: of person when you were in the room with him,

584
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: you were the only person in the room. So he

585
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: had that ability to just have that laser focus and

586
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: problem and they were and they were really good people

587
00:36:52,560 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: taking care of business TCB was Elvis Presley's motto. You know,

588
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: there were wonderful things that happened all the time, but

589
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: lest you should go home and think there were never

590
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: things that happened that really needed attention. We recently had

591
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: a new owner at the Forum and that was an

592
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: entrepreneur named Jerry Buss. Jerry Buss came up with an

593
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: idea that we didn't have any seats that were boxes.

594
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: So he came up with this idea, will take the

595
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: second level of the arena and take three hundred and

596
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: twenty seats in the rows in the second level, which

597
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: usually had a lesser price, and we will make them

598
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: like a box. You'll have waitress service, and you'll get

599
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: the status if it's a game, and you'll get programs

600
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a concert. And he marketed them

601
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: so that you got every event that was held in

602
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: the arena, which turned out to be a big mistake

603
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: because it costs us a lot of money, and everybody

604
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: learned from our They were called Senate seats, and it

605
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: was left to me to negtiate how much would be

606
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: paid for every concert. And I must say that one

607
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: of Mr Wintrop's representatives ripped me up and down and

608
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: sideways about these seats, and I shed a few tears,

609
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: but not for anything he saw. And I worried about

610
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: it at night. But we went on and we did

611
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: many many successful Whatever happened with the seats, would you

612
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: pay that you would have got? Okay, because this is

613
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: an argument today are often around the manifest You know,

614
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: people are still funny, Michael. You wanted to say something

615
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say. You asked about Peter Grant,

616
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: and Dad's relationship with Peter, and Peter was also bigger

617
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: than life. But Dad had Dad had great relationships with

618
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: anybody like that, whether it was Colonel Parker, Peter Grant,

619
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: Arthur wurtz Uh. He loved Lea. I'd say, hypothetically, somebody

620
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: crossed him. Then what oh, you never wanted to be

621
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: his enemy. He was the best friend in the world

622
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: to have and the worst enemy. You wanted him in

623
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: a fox hole next to you. You didn't want him

624
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: shooting at you. And he was legendarily friends with the Bushes.

625
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: Were you exposed to that very much? So from the

626
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: time I was very young. And then that's through Jane.

627
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: You know, Jane grew up in Kenny Bunkport. She and

628
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: George Bush. I asked her a couple of years ago,

629
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: I said, when did you and George Bush first meet?

630
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: And she said, we we didn't meet, We just work.

631
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: They were they were the same age. They knew each

632
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: other as long as either one of them could remember.

633
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: And did Dad ever tell you the story of the

634
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: first time he met George Bush. I think he did,

635
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: but it's a great story. Um. Jane takes him up

636
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: to kenny Bunkport in for the first time and takes

637
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: him to the Kenny Bunk River Club to play tennis.

638
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: And the Kenny Bunk River Club is what you would expect,

639
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: I know, you're from New England, what you would expect play? Well,

640
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: they didn't. So that was so he went and signed

641
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: his name, and they said wine Treber you Jewish and

642
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: he said yes, and they said, well you you can't

643
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: play tennis here. You're not allowed to play tennis here.

644
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: And he got very upset. He you know, he let

645
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: loose a string of of bronx words and uh and

646
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: went back to Jane's farm and said, I'm getting I'm

647
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: out of here. I'm gone. I'm back to New York

648
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: and I don't need lobster and all this other crap.

649
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home and have a cheeseburg on a

650
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: Coca Cola and uh, go back to my business. And

651
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: she said, no, no, just stay one more day. So

652
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: the next morning, at six in the morning, the phone

653
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: rings and he answers that he's already awake working, and

654
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: the guy at the other end of the phone says,

655
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: is this Jerry Wintrev. He says yes. He said, well,

656
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: you don't know me, but my name is George Bush.

657
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: I've known Janey forever my whole life. And I understand

658
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: you had a little problem at the River Club yesterday.

659
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: He said, I don't know if I call it a

660
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: little problem. They're a bunch of anti semites over there.

661
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: They told me, I couldn't play. Told me I wasn't

662
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: allowed to play tennis, and he said, well, I'll tell

663
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: you what, Jerry. He said, you don't know, but meet

664
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: me over there at ten o'clock this morning, and you

665
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: and I and the club president and the club pro

666
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: are gonna play doubles. And Dad said, you don't listen.

667
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Very good dude, He said, oh no, I listened just fine.

668
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something. My family built that

669
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: place and they're gonna let you play or I'm gonna

670
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: burn the place down. That is a story I hadn't heard,

671
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: so it's almost a show stop, as you can imagine.

672
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: He followed George Bush wherever George Bush went from that

673
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: day on. I know he's very loyal and George loyal. So, Peter,

674
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: what was your oldtimate gig when you start to work

675
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: for Jerry Well? Um, as I said, are you? We

676
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: were looking with the Moodies, we were looking for a promoter. Well,

677
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: we were not going to work under those conditions. And

678
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: so my agent in England turned around and said, I

679
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: found this guy, UM called Jerry Windrop. So I see Jeff,

680
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: so he said, and he's got this company with concerts West. Um,

681
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: they like to meet your So I got on a

682
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: plane from London. I went to l A and I'm

683
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: trying to think who met me, Dan Fiella. Remember Danny

684
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: was one of our guys. Yeah who passed away? Um? Yeah?

685
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: And Danny said he gave me his letter and he

686
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: said it was from Jerry. I wish I had kept

687
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: it and it's sorry. I can't be here, but I'm

688
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: doing this show tonight at the Troubador with John dev

689
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: and you're welcome to come. Said yeah, let's go check

690
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: in the hole hell and I'll go. So I went there.

691
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: I saw him the following day. He met him and

692
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 1: I said, you know, you've got a proposal and he said, yeah,

693
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: I've got a proposal to put you. We want to

694
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: offer you. I said, said yee, I said not. So

695
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: we went over it and I said, you got a deal.

696
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: So he said, okay, well you signing signed a contract.

697
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: I said no, we don't sign contracts anymore. You got

698
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: my hand, no, shake your hand, and we got a deal.

699
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: And that's how I met him and started to work.

700
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: I was still with the Moody Blues all that time,

701
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: and then when they eventually they broke up and that

702
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: was since seventy one. They broke up in seventy four.

703
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: I did a couple of odd things, and then in

704
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: seventies seven I asked him for a job and what

705
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: was your job? Basically, it's like John, we were all

706
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: what we all did. We we were like two managers.

707
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: We ran to us. We were It wasn't always these

708
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: big to us sometimes. I mean I did Queen. I

709
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: did shows. Yeah, I did twenty shows. We had states

710
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: with Queen, I remember that. Yeah. We used to get

711
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And then I did um the long

712
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: run too with the Eagles. Now at the time, was

713
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: there an accountant on the road or due to the

714
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: settlement We did the settlement, Yeah, see we did. There

715
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: were two guys. Yeah, there were two guys, one in

716
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: production of one lead. We used to say yeah yeah there.

717
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: Then then when you could grab if you like, we're

718
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: good enough if you graduate to be the lead guy.

719
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: And we had a thing called show pay was eighty bucks.

720
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Eighty bucks, so it's like if you're out with Peter

721
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: Gond where they'd split that with your forty forty. If

722
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: you were simthor j you got twenty bucks. Yeah. That

723
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: was se me and me and John and Pool Gunga

724
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: were we Okay, we've all had long careers. Did anybody

725
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: leave the operation I did eventually, Yeah, well we all.

726
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: I think the only reason we all left is because

727
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: Jerry went from being in the music business to being

728
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: in business. That's kind of I mean, because we're all

729
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: like we I went all the way through one Troub

730
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: Entertainment group and then it was like, God, you know,

731
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing anything in music anyway. I think that

732
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: Earth Wind and Fire management deal was probably the last

733
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: management deal he did, right Ken Craig and had left, Yeah,

734
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: Craig and used to work for Yeah. I mean some

735
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: of the names that worked at this place would would

736
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: absolutely blow you away that we're there, not here from

737
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: every day and it's like he invented the business. I

738
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't know. We worked for Jerry hard time. Yeah, he'll

739
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: tell you about that. The height of Kenny Rodgers. Yeah,

740
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: that's right, Kenny Rogers, Belt Blue Heaven and then who

741
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: any other people in the management side who setti U?

742
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: Sal was sal Well Claire Claire was an Italian guy

743
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: that and Jerry and he were very good friends. But

744
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: Jerry one of one of Jerry's everything had to be

745
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: Jerry Weintrapp Presents. I mean, Jerry weintrap Presents was as

746
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: prominent as anything else in any ad Billy freaking nickname

747
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: for Jerry's presents. When when when Jerry did Diner and

748
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: Barry Levinson was was just screwing around with him. If

749
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: you look at the credits on Diner, the credits of

750
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: Jerry weintrop Picture are about ten times bigger than the

751
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: Diner had. Barry Levinson and Frank had a wicked sense

752
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: of humor. And one time he's playing Caesar's Palace and

753
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Sal Bonifetti is out on the road with Frank, and

754
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: Frank says to the Caesar's Palace, guys, we're gonna put

755
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: up on the on the marquee here Sal Bonifetti presents

756
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: that would have led to Sal's premature death. He were

757
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: Sid Bernstein, Yes, said Bernstein. Was the first minute he

758
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: brought the Beatles, brought the Management three was and how

759
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: did leave to start his own thing when Jerry kept

760
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: the name Management three. But when these three guys broke up,

761
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: that's when when Bernie started. I think Bernie started with

762
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: with the guys from Saturday Night Live. Bernie actually came out.

763
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: Bernie came out to California to open the l A office.

764
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: What was Bernie doing before he was in? So he

765
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: and Marty and Dad were together in New York at

766
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: one thirties sixties fifty fifth Street in an apartment that

767
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: they had converted illegally into an office. Um that I

768
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: grew up in sort of and uh, and Bernie got

769
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: sent out to California to open the California office. Bernie

770
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: had the Muppets, Bernie had Jim Henson, Dad had John Denver.

771
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: This that's how they got together. They were together before

772
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: they were together at the time that they both signed,

773
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: but then later on the Muppets got together. Dad and

774
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: Bernie ultimately decided to go separate ways. Bernie took Jim

775
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: Henson and the Muppets. Saturday Night Live started out as

776
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: a vehicle for the Muppets, So if you actually go

777
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: the original, it was really a vehicle for the Muppets. Wow,

778
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: that's an amazing story. So Bob s that you work

779
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: with Jerry every day. Any other lessons or any other

780
00:49:54,360 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: funny stories you can tell us about Jerry? U there aren't.

781
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry was just larger than life. I mean

782
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: it's there. It's uh, you know, when he wasn't going

783
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: to come into the office and the act was waiting

784
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: there for him, that was you know, where is Jerry?

785
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: But now Jerry was larger than life, and I don't

786
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: know there was there wasn't. He had a wicked sense

787
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: of humor, but he ran a business. How did your

788
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: tenure end? I had just reached a point where I

789
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: wanted to do some other things. And uh, what did

790
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: Jerry say when you left the family? It was not

791
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: a good party. It was not a good party. You

792
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: ever make up? It took us years. And in fact,

793
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: um we played golf the day before he passed away.

794
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: And I have a place in Santa Barbara and Jerry

795
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: was in Santa Barbara and we had played golf that saturday.

796
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: He was on the fourth of July weekend. And then

797
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm driving and I hear on the radio that the

798
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: Jerry Weintrop had passed away in Palm Springs. I said, well,

799
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: that's that's impossible. I was just with him. He's here

800
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: in in uh in Montecito, and I called and I

801
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: got I think I got Susie on the phone, and

802
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: she was at the hospital so I was it. I mean,

803
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: there was. It was so sudden, it was so unexpected.

804
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: It's clear clear you're gonna add something here. I was

805
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: just going to tell a funny story about John Denver.

806
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: We did, uh I did? That was going to be

807
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: two shows in the same evening, one at seven thirty

808
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: and one at ten thirty something like that was the

809
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: Forum of Union Bill Yes, stage, Okay, So there's a

810
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: lot of cost have two shows. And I had just

811
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: hired a new assistant and he worked that day, and

812
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: by the time the first show was over, the poor

813
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: kid was exhausted. And so I said, look, you have

814
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: to work up to this. You have to be on

815
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: your feet twelve thirteen hours before you can do a

816
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: double show because in those days, circus run three performances

817
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: on a Saturday. Ah. So I let him go home

818
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: and I worked the second show and it was the

819
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: best show that John ever did. And he was always

820
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: sorry that I was so much older and he was tired,

821
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: and I still worked the second chow unbelievable. John. Your

822
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: long tenure with Jerry, Any lessons you learn from him? Um?

823
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: A couple of things. One was he always say never

824
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: assume anything. Remember that never assume anything. That was one

825
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: of the lines. And then Bob said at TCB. We

826
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: all grew up with TCB, which was take care of

827
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: take care of business. It was on started on the

828
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: Elvis tour Jackets. But if you go back all the

829
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: old concerts west to our Jackets, you'll always see a

830
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: little patch on there that said TCB and it just

831
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: want to take care of business. And it was you know,

832
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: it was it was a work ethic of of a sort.

833
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: We you know, you're doing a tour. You're not like

834
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: work in the local scams like Bob is talking about.

835
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: You're out there your partners with the artists. You're being transparent.

836
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: You know, there's no it's even better today because the

837
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: Internet didn't even allow you to be to steal anymore.

838
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: You can find anything steal. We never even we had.

839
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad we don't have to, like people

840
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: go look at our past because it's clean. Um. But

841
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: it's just been it's a way of doing it. It's

842
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: a it's a different way. And it was Jerry and

843
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: it was Tom and it was Terry Bassett and Bill

844
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: McKenzie or the guys who started that. When you go

845
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: out in the exhibit. You'll see the pm L there

846
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: for one of the shows. Okay, Bill McKenzie made that piano,

847
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, paid by cash, paid by box office, paid

848
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: by home office, paid by infield check right, and all

849
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: the list. When I had after, you know, started meeting

850
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: other local promoters because we really didn't know him that well,

851
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: I started looking at the form and I go on,

852
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: that form looks familiar. Where did you get it? Every

853
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: promoter in the country was using Bill Mackenzie's form to

854
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: settle shows. Ron Delzer they just took the concert sweat

855
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: of heading off and put it there. But you know,

856
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: the first time we did wire transfers, that's how you know.

857
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: It was Bill McKenzie who came up with that whole

858
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: thing about we would sign a piece of paper and

859
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: and the building would wire the money the next morning.

860
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: That was this. It had never been done before, you know,

861
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: no computer ice ticketing. It was all Now, if you're

862
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: green at two hundred dollars a week and there only

863
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: two of you out there, is you the senior guy

864
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: training you or you'd have to make decisions by yourself

865
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: a little both. I mean the senior guy should be

866
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: training you. Did you feel pressure. I remember I worked

867
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: for these English guys. They said, you're you were paying you.

868
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 1: You have to handle it. Or would you ever freak

869
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: out and say I gotta call somewhere? There was no, no,

870
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: no you. I mean you could always you were a partnership.

871
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: If the partnership didn't work, then we'd break up the

872
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: partnership and find somebody else. And there were there were

873
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: times where we'd go, you know, so and so is

874
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: not working right on the beach. Send them over to

875
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: bad company, and we'll take on the beach and they

876
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: go to bad company. And so we got moved around.

877
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: We were just we were told where to go. I

878
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: got I would somebody walk in my office and go

879
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: to l A, go see j Hackerman. You go out

880
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: and the road at their Clapton like okay, And that's

881
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: how it would be. Okay. If you're out that much,

882
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: do you start to dislike the music? No, that's why

883
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: we do it. That's what we love. Okay, now, Bob.

884
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: There was a famous meeting on Long Island, UH to

885
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: try to break up Jerry's ruling roost. Can you tell

886
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: us about that? The all of the promoters thought that

887
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: they would divide up the country like the Mafia. So

888
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: Belkan would have Cleveland, and Delsner would have New York,

889
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: and Graham would have San Francisco and Reese Wolf re

890
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: Smeller would have l A and Jerry would be frozen

891
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: out of the business because these were their territories and

892
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: they had exclusive or thought they had exclusives with the buildings,

893
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: and uh, that was a battle that had to be fought.

894
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: But the acts are the power when you when when

895
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: you're when you're representing the Rolling Stones, you're going to

896
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: make the deal and they're gonna have and the building

897
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: is going to have to have you. So so you

898
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: didn't encounter any static doing this. Tremendous static and some

899
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: of it were you know there. Jerry always believe in

900
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: leaving something on the table for the other guy. So

901
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: as you go into these facilities, you you might pay

902
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: a local promoter, but you had the act and you're

903
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: doing a national promotion, so you're getting the best deal.

904
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: You give the other guy something, and it worked itself out,

905
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: and that's why several of the promoters who were at

906
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: that meeting in Long Island walked out of the room

907
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: and immediately got on the phone to California and called

908
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: Dad and said, hey, here you should know. Here's what

909
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: just happened. And Dad, so will you go back in

910
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: there and you you tell Graham and Barcelona and those

911
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: guys that to circle the whole country and put concerts west.

912
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we had we we did get the law

913
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: changed in California. There there was a tremendous tension between

914
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 1: agents and managers in the music business because the lawn

915
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: California said that you had to have a talent and

916
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: licensed talent agent in order to book you. And the

917
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: famous cases of Jefferson airplane case where this manager had

918
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: booked somebody to get them a gig when an agent

919
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't even give them the time of day, and years

920
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: later they went to the Labor Commission and rescinded the

921
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: contract and they had to disgorge everything that they had earned.

922
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: And so we point in time said Jerry, this this

923
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: is this isn't working. And we went up to the

924
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: state of California. We had a relationship with Governor Brown

925
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: and Willie Brown, and we got the law chan age

926
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: to have an exemption for the recorded business and if

927
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: you work with a licensed talent agent, you were exempt.

928
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Let's go back because We covered this earlier, that you

929
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: did a national tour. You really didn't need the agent.

930
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: So how did you handle that? They didn't have agents? Yeah? John, Yeah,

931
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean Elvis had the William Morris agency, which was

932
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: a long time relationship with Colonel Parker. Did you pay

933
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: them or Cornel paid him out of his end? Probably

934
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: paid him out of his end, because I don't remember

935
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: us paying them. But but um, John Denver didn't have

936
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: an agent, Frank didn't have an agent, and they why

937
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: do they? What do they need an agent for? To

938
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: book and a gig that they're going to be selling

939
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: out when they can get a deal. I totally agree,

940
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: and we've seen that today, So I'd love a deal today.

941
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah that doesn't exist. Yeah right, So Peter, what did

942
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: you learn from Jerry? The act always came first. You

943
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: always took care of the act to just keep him happy, comfortable,

944
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,959
Speaker 1: and yet it came first. So what was that something

945
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: back there? So if the act wanted something unreasonable you

946
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: said no, no, no, no, no no, we would just

947
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: take care of the business actually wanted something in a

948
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: reasonable We walk around backstage and go, who the hell

949
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: is that guy? Think he is? Jerry? Wein Trump. No,

950
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: we didn't you No, we didn't do that. Well, you

951
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: were on the you were on the road all these years.

952
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: To what degree were these musicians bad actors? Bad actors?

953
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: You know? We hear all the stories of drugs, women

954
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: destroying hotel rooms. You had some of that. There was

955
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: always some of that. You know. I was lucky. I've

956
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: been very lucky. I didn't want to ever want to

957
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: work with those people, so I didn't heard about it.

958
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry let Rick James stayed at his house and

959
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: in order to get clean. Did he get clean? No?

960
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: I did have dinner at the Edgewater three nights ago.

961
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm serious, Okay, So Tony Ronnie went down to check

962
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: all the famous mud shark story can tell the dark

963
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: story nineteen? Is there such a thing as a nud shark?

964
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: From my window at the what does a bud shark

965
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: look like? It's like, oh, it's pretty big. I was

966
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: there on one night. We were a couple of times

967
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: I've done it was right Thomas the movie Blues, and

968
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: we were both fishermen and we would go down rent

969
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: the polls and all this stuff and just shit, they

970
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: were not pulling out. And you get it from the

971
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: hotel room, tell him what it is, and then then

972
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: then put them in the bath and then you'd leave them.

973
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: People would fill up they you know, not the not

974
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: the LEDs up on the story, but everybody feels out

975
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: of the window. You fill up the bathtub and then

976
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: you catch my sharks and you throw them in the bathtub.

977
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: And sometimes you'd like to leaving in the hotel. Now,

978
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: didn't bad company and some of these other acts come

979
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: with agents, whether it be Frank Barcelona or other people.

980
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: That was they had agents earlier on in their career

981
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: and when they got big, they left Frank, they left Frank. Yeah,

982
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: that was the same with the Big That was a

983
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: big fight when Barton, when led Zeppelin got rid of

984
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: Premier and Frank and concert just did all. Well, yeah,

985
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: all their tours were they started opening up for the

986
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: Vanilla Fudge. That's where their first tour was. Okay, so clear.

987
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: I've literally sat in the box office with representatives from

988
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: promoters and they've shown me the two sets of books. Now,

989
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: as the business developed with how did the promoter make money?

990
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: You mean the local guy, he had to get it

991
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: cut it off of somebody else, the local guy because

992
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: he was superseded. Okay, so there are any other stories

993
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: or characteristics of Jerry we haven't covered. Well, there's a

994
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: great story with when Elvis is on tour and he dies.

995
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: We've got all of the all of this money in

996
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: the box office and Elvis is not going to Elvis

997
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: has left the building. So I said, you know, what

998
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? So we just said, okay, of

999
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: course everybody can have their money back, but make sure

1000
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: that you get the two. In fact, there's some of

1001
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: the tickets that are in the exhibit up here, fifteen

1002
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: dollars apiece. People didn't get their tickets back because they

1003
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: wanted the final There were hundreds and hundreds of thousands

1004
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: of dollars money in the box office. Problem was many

1005
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: of the buildings that we were playing were municipal buildings,

1006
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: and the state took a position that that money is

1007
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: sheeted to the state. Oh that's a bummer, so we

1008
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: but but we said, no, the ticket has value, so

1009
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: it's our money. And then we worked out a deal

1010
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: between splitting it well so you got the money, yeah,

1011
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: splitting it with with Jerry Elvis, and hey, you know

1012
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: what's an interesting point of that. You know how people

1013
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: refunded their tickets on that is, they wrote their name

1014
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: and their address on the back of the ticket and

1015
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: mailed it back to the box office and then they

1016
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: got a check. Years later, you could go contact act

1017
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: all those people, right, and you want to get your

1018
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: ELPs ticket back and how much they were fifteen tickets.

1019
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that that's people mailed in their

1020
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: ticket with their name and their address written on the

1021
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: back of the ticket, and then they got a check back.

1022
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: Speaking of tickets, one thing we know is concert tickets

1023
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: today are expensive. Never mind the fees, etcetera. But I

1024
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: remember when they went from three four and five to

1025
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: three fifty four fifty and five fifty. How did you

1026
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: decide and you couldn't get a ticket that was the

1027
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: everything sold out and it was so how did you

1028
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: decide on the prices? Many acts wanted to keep their

1029
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: prices as low as possible. Frank wanted to keep prices

1030
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: as low as possible. And I want to talk about

1031
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: the grateful dead six fifty for a ticket. Um, the

1032
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: escalation just became part of the business and the expense

1033
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: of a tour. I don't acts generally want their fans

1034
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: to be able to see a concert. They don't want

1035
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: to see a gouge. How about the famous uh policy

1036
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: of act scalping their own tickets? Did we see that

1037
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: at the Concerence West. We had tremendous control on tickets

1038
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: so that that would not take place, and scalping we

1039
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: looked at as really one of the seven deadly sins,

1040
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: So we tried tried very hard to make sure the

1041
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: tickets were very controlled. Acts at that time did not

1042
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: scalp their own tickets. Okay, clear a seems you want

1043
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: to say something. We talked about refunding money for tickets. Well,

1044
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: when I was set the spectrum, we lost the roof

1045
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: during an ice paid time and that was one thing

1046
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: that Jerry didn't produce. So it was during that day

1047
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: performance and the orchestras started to play off we go

1048
01:06:54,880 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: in the wild Blue Ye. Now we had the ice

1049
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: capades booked for another whole week, so we had a

1050
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: lot of money in the box office, and that was

1051
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: when we decided you would take the ticket back to

1052
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: where you purchased it. So if it was Macy's that's

1053
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: sold it, or Bloomingdale's, you took it back there. If

1054
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: you brought it from the box office. You took it

1055
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 1: back there, and as you stated, we never refunded all

1056
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: of them, but we became known as the place to

1057
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: go to to find out how do you refund a

1058
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: really large amount of money, which was something we really

1059
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't want the reputation for. Okay, I think that we've

1060
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: really done a great job of illuminating how powerful, larger

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Speaker 1: than life Jerry was. I think everybody here on the

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Speaker 1: piano told all these great stories. Thanks for coming, h