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Speaker 3: All right, here we go. It is a Monday.

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Speaker 1: Now we're getting football games. Now, we're getting opinions. Now,

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Speaker 1: we're getting what looks like the makings. Okay, maybe not

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Speaker 1: Buffalo in Kansas City, but it does look like we're

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Speaker 1: getting kind of a feel for what's happening one hour

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Speaker 1: from now where Colin would write where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff is joining me this week for four days.

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Speaker 1: Jmac is on Vaca and we'll come back the following week. So, John,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember a preseason game Bill's Bears, which turned

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Speaker 1: out to be a blowout that I was more in

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Speaker 1: interested in watching the first two series.

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Speaker 4: You feel that way, Yeah, that was the Bear super

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Speaker 4: Bowl last night and then went.

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Speaker 1: Well it was Buffalo can't get into a super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Bears had theirs in preseason not ideal for both. So

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams of the Chicago Bears, I thought he looked decisive.

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Speaker 3: I thought he looked sharp.

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Speaker 1: At one point he dirted a ball on a screenplay

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Speaker 1: smart play, get out of that, get out of the

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Speaker 1: negative plays. I think, basically, if you're a Bears fan,

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Speaker 1: it's been a rough camp. It's a new system, a

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Speaker 1: new coach. It hasn't been pretty. Even at Friday's practice,

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Speaker 1: there were false starts. It was a bit ugly. So

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Speaker 1: it's a big sigh of relief. There's a new system.

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Speaker 1: Caleb likes to freelance. His coach does it not necessarily

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Speaker 1: want that from his quarterback. So last night Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: actually looked a little bit like Jared Goff. He quarterback

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Speaker 1: like Jared Goff. He dirted the ball on screens, he

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Speaker 1: got rid of and out of trouble, no negative plays.

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Speaker 1: When he had a guy open, he hit him. Now

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Speaker 1: we know he's not Jared Goff. I honestly feel like

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. And you'll see this sometimes

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Speaker 1: where you'll see a crazy talented artist. Mary's an accountant,

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Speaker 1: and it's not ever perfect. That doesn't mean it can't work.

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Speaker 1: I mean Andy Reid is a creative. Mahomes is a

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Speaker 1: creative that's perfect. I think Sean Payton feels like bo

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Speaker 1: Nix can run my play, but he can also run

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Speaker 3: That feels perfect.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, I feel he's got a little bit of

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan run my play, and Kyle Shanahan's great, but

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to let Caleb breathe. So to me,

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Speaker 1: this whole relationship is about because we know that Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson is going to win the first several arguments in this.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's a new coach. It's not a rich ownership group.

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Speaker 1: They're not flushing him out. Caleb struggled his first year,

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Speaker 1: so Ben comes in with leverage. But offensive coaches and

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid would tell you this, when you get somebody

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Speaker 1: as gifted as Mahomes and Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams with that kind of horsepower, with that

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Speaker 1: kind of firepower, it is your job as a coach

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to maximize all that amazing clay.

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Speaker 1: All you need, because I think Caleb's got a little

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Speaker 1: Brett Farv, All you need is for that player. Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Josh Allen, Brett Farv to be amenable to throwing

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Speaker 3: I don't care how gifted you are.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's not great if he's not on time, he's

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Speaker 1: not on schedule, and there's negative plays. Last year Caleb

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Speaker 1: nobody succeeds in this league running around. It's not high

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Speaker 1: school or college defensive ends. Here run four, five, five.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is a marriage stylistically that is

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh and Lamar or it just feels like what

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Speaker 3: It's almost like being somebody that runs a movie studio.

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Speaker 1: Not everything has to be Good Fellas, Not everything has

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Speaker 1: to be Avatar. What you're trying to avoid is that

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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty million dollar disaster as a studio head.

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Speaker 1: Not everything needs to be Moulin rouge and be a hit.

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Speaker 1: That is largely quarterback play. That is largely what Belichick

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Speaker 1: second fifteen and third and eighteen. Get out of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I thought when he dirted the screen pass, I thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's perfect. That's growth from last year. Just just dirting

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Speaker 3: To make something out of it.

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Speaker 1: Now, in Ben Johnson's school of off, get out of

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Speaker 3: Here was Caleb after.

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Speaker 6: I think I've grown a lot.

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Speaker 6: My mind set is, you know, keep growing. If that's

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Speaker 6: taking things off other people's plates, you know, that's what

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Speaker 3: Okay. So I saw the media.

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Speaker 1: It was partially media and partially like people online. So

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Speaker 1: and I like Kevin Stefanski a lot, But you got.

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Speaker 3: To offer some clarity here, guys.

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Speaker 1: You gotta tell us what's going on, because we're getting

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Speaker 1: I've seen this in the NFL with Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick,

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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow. Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Years ago, Bill Parcells said one of the rules of

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Speaker 1: Half of these got Baker Mayfield, I mean Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: He becomes a celebrity. Half these guys are making seven

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Speaker 1: million bucks in college. Arch Manning's a celebrity. Get over it.

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Speaker 1: Draft him. So but but but this still holds true.

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Speaker 1: You don't want a celebrity backup quarterback, and that hurt

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Speaker 1: Tibo and Kaepernick and Cam Newton in New England with

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Speaker 1: can't have a superstar backup. You guys who love Shador

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Speaker 1: in Carolina wearing his jerseys, you're making him into a celebrity.

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Speaker 1: So if I'm a coach and I have to choose, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco's starting, Dylan Gabriel may be easier to deal with.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to deal with a nonsense. So this

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Speaker 3: So here's what he said. You gave us some fabulous

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Speaker 3: wisdom on how you tune out the noise and you

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Speaker 3: don't let it infiltrate yourself. Will you share that with

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Speaker 3: I think it's just part of it.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's entertainers and there's competitors, and I totally

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Speaker 4: understand that, and my job is to compete and that's

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Speaker 1: That was not a shot at Shador Sanders. Shame on

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Speaker 1: everybody that said it was.

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Speaker 8: Do not.

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Speaker 1: You're hurting Shadeur. You're turning a non circus into a circus.

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Speaker 1: When he said that he was taking a shot at us,

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Speaker 1: don't know exactly who blew it out of proportion. But

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Speaker 1: I'm like, why is he taking a shot at Shador?

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Speaker 1: He wasn't so essentially everybody proved Dylan Gabriel's point, which

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Speaker 1: He was not taking a shot at Shador Sanders. He

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Speaker 3: Entertainers.

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Speaker 1: They got to get ratings, they got to drive revenue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the truth is about these guys. I have two

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Speaker 1: he's serious, and he's business like like. I like his

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Speaker 1: But I think Shadur was underdrafted. Shadour is bigger. I

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Speaker 1: But Kevin Stefanski, he liked the seriousness, the accuracy, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think either is transformational. And here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: what NFL gms really want from quarterbacks. They want you

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Speaker 1: boring when he played Peyton Manning got really really funny

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Speaker 1: can't be the life of the party. I've said this

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Speaker 1: If I have to use you for two games, can

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Speaker 1: two games?

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Speaker 3: I need you?

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Speaker 1: Two of my starters out for four Cooper Rush great,

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Speaker 1: he can win half the games. Starters should win sixty

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Speaker 1: five percent of the games. If they're great, Lamar, they

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Speaker 1: win seventy five percent of the games. And the other

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Speaker 1: never be a headline Tebow headline, back up, Cam headline,

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Speaker 1: think it helped Shaduur, it's hurting him. This story hurt

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Speaker 1: You know what the staff is saying in Cleveland this

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Speaker 1: I'm married to an Irish girl, so we've mastered leaving

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. A lot of you rolled your eyes at

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Speaker 3: For other NFL jobs. We'll talk about that coming up.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: That's right, Dan.

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Speaker 10: Every week we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. It's a

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Speaker 1: You don't have your left ty tackle, Tiger Guidon, the

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Speaker 1: I don't think Jerry Jones has a ton of respect

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Speaker 1: gonna have some. I miss Mike. Let's strike for Mike.

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Speaker 1: I miss Mike Banners. I like Mike Mark my words,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's name will come up again in Dallas because

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Speaker 3: There's not a lot out there.

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Speaker 1: The great old guys like Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton,

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Speaker 3: Really ready you go. You look at divisions.

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Speaker 1: I got Ben Johnson with Chicago, and Kevin O'Connell and

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Speaker 3: John Middlecoff of The News No No turn on the

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Speaker 3: News this is the headline news, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, speaking of Mike McCarthy, his former quarterback and Colin

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Reports came out that he's making thirteen million dollars, but

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Speaker 4: This, Pittsburgh Steelers Aaron Rodgers Mike Tomlin twenty twenty five seasons.

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Speaker 1: keep your defense off the field. They can't have thirty

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Speaker 1: I think Pittsburgh's problem Mike Tomlin is incapable of building

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Speaker 1: I if you go look at Pittsburgh's defense the last

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Speaker 4: Well, they got Arthur Smith, who became a big time

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Speaker 5: We know the Rooneyes.

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Speaker 4: I mean, his best friend. How did Aaron Rodgers resurrect

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Speaker 4: So listen, the honeymoon phase is in full effect training camp.

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Speaker 5: Rogers TJ got paid.

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Speaker 4: What's it gonna look like when they lose a couple

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Speaker 5: They're tough to beat.

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Speaker 1: I get.

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Speaker 3: A buye, I get Browns.

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Speaker 1: I get some home games that could go either way,

435
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Speaker 1: like Green Bay and Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: I get both of those at home.

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Speaker 5: I might push back.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the Jets, I mean, I don't know

439
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Speaker 4: if they're going to pass average one hundred yards passing,

440
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Speaker 4: but Seattle's going to be pretty good. The Patriots are

441
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Speaker 4: going to be a completely different operation.

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Speaker 5: Minnesota is good.

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Speaker 4: I mean those three games after the Jets are not

444
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Speaker 4: just Patsy's Colen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we'll both agree on this.

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Speaker 1: Offensively, Pittsburgh, even the last year to two with Big Band,

447
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: they have lost their way offensively. So do I believe

448
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback at forty one out of his prime, missing

449
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: a left tackle and Najie Harris can fix it?

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Speaker 3: I do not.

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Speaker 5: I would agree with you there. Okay, we talked about

452
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Speaker 5: the Bears.

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Speaker 4: What about the flip side the Bills, who last night

454
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Speaker 4: looked like the opposite of the Ravens.

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Speaker 5: The preseason is.

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Speaker 3: Not going well for them.

457
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Speaker 4: Sean McDermott clearly was not pleased with this team's performance.

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Speaker 7: Certainly not to our standard what we expect. Got a

459
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Speaker 7: lot of work to do, that's very clear. It doesn't

460
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Speaker 7: matter who's out there, ones, twos, threes, fours, whoever it is.

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Speaker 12: We expect them to perform, and we expect our levels

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Speaker 12: of performance to be much better than that playing against

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Speaker 12: their ones. You know, I expect, we expect to to

464
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Speaker 12: compete with them, and that wasn't the case early and

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Speaker 12: then our two's are twos. Then who were out there

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Speaker 12: competing against their twos and our threes against their threes.

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Speaker 3: It didn't get much better. I'm not worried Collin, are

468
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Speaker 3: you I'm not worried.

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Speaker 1: I almost consider the Ravens an exception, a really good

470
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Speaker 1: organization that cares and delivers in the preseason thirty eight

471
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Speaker 1: and nothing is really bad. What is your reason why

472
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Speaker 1: they were so disordered.

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Speaker 4: Let's take the Andy Reid crew. There's Andy Reid, John Harbor,

474
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Speaker 4: and Sean McDermott. But you know, those two guys learned

475
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Speaker 4: under Andy. I think Andy's training camps are really physical,

476
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Speaker 4: kind of old school, a throwback. Look at the Chiefs

477
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Speaker 4: the other night against Seattle, look terrible. They've been practicing

478
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Speaker 4: really hard, heavy legs. I think Sean McDermot, if you're

479
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Speaker 4: watching hard knocks, they're getting after it in practice.

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Speaker 5: That was a big, big game for the Bears last night.

481
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Speaker 5: I mean they approached that the game plan for that thing.

482
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Speaker 5: Sean McDermott did not.

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason.

484
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Speaker 4: Maybe it's a harball thing, but specifically John, he approaches

485
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Speaker 4: preseason games like they are a playoff game. He is

486
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Speaker 4: an outlier, so heavy legs. Josh Allen on the sideline,

487
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Speaker 4: the Bills and are different from the Chiefs because the Chiefs,

488
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Speaker 4: I mean, make the Super Bowl every year. Right, It's

489
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Speaker 4: all about January so how do you peak November, December

490
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Speaker 4: and into January.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's I'm watching hard knocks.

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Speaker 4: Usually on hard knocks, it's a team, so it's an

493
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Speaker 4: awful product. This is the first time where you're like, oh,

494
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Speaker 4: that's what a great quarterback looks like in practice. It's

495
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Speaker 4: one to watch, so I listen. I put zero stock

496
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Speaker 4: into that. That was all about the Bears road game.

497
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Speaker 4: I think if you look at the Chiefs and you

498
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Speaker 4: look at the Bills, both long.

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Speaker 5: Road trips and just late an eight. Now, if you're

500
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Speaker 5: a backup, you better be careful. You can't.

501
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Speaker 4: You know, you don't want to get used to laying

502
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Speaker 4: eggs when you don't play very often in the regular season.

503
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Speaker 4: But when Josh Allen's on the sideline doing interviews in

504
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Speaker 4: the first quarter, I don't.

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Speaker 5: Put much stock into the game.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Okay, a quarterback and a team that I'm

507
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Speaker 3: high on.

508
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Speaker 4: The Green Bay packer Jordan Lovey return to practice after

509
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Speaker 4: getting surgery last week to repair the ligament in his

510
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Speaker 4: left thumb. Love is not taking the first team reps though,

511
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Speaker 4: to protect his thumb, but Lafleur has a plan to

512
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Speaker 4: get him some work ahead of Week one.

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Speaker 13: I just went through everything. We're going to alter some

514
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Speaker 13: things to allow him to get involved. Do my favorite

515
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Speaker 13: seven on seven that I absolutely despise, but in some

516
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Speaker 13: instances it's good. So I'd rather do that than just

517
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Speaker 13: throw throw on air. So we'll incorporate some seven on

518
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Speaker 13: seven in the practice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt's not a seven on seven guy a lot

520
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: of by the way, he loves a good, tough, physical

521
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: run game, so it probably is the antithesis of everything

522
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Speaker 1: he believes in. Yeah, this has been to me the

523
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Speaker 1: mystery team. The Rams are a little bit of that,

524
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Speaker 1: but that's just because of Stafford's health. I keep going

525
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: back to this. The whole division's been noisy all off season.

526
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Speaker 1: Lions lose both coordinators, Bears are just noisy with Caleb

527
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Speaker 1: and Ben, the JJ McCarthy, Minnesota stuff, Green Bay. Some

528
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Speaker 1: of it's a small market, but I've earned nothing. It

529
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: has been silent, and that leads me to believe generally,

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Speaker 1: when it's quiet, you're either keeping really good secrets from

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Speaker 1: people that you don't want him to know, like people

532
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Speaker 1: are developing, or the fact is you've got everybody on

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Speaker 1: the same page. And I think I think this team

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Speaker 1: really likes and respect you know, it's still John I

535
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: think that either the youngest or the second youngest team

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Speaker 1: for the third year in a row.

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Speaker 5: I'm high on the backers. I'm picking him to win

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Speaker 5: the division.

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Speaker 4: This does make me a little nervous. I mean, what

540
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 4: kind of derailed their season last year? He got hurt

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Speaker 4: Week one, so you get an injury. Now we've still

542
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Speaker 4: got a couple of weeks. But this division is hard.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna go. I mean, part of the reason they

544
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Speaker 4: their passing game last year wasn't great. Now he did

545
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Speaker 4: a great job with the Mlik Willis. They've proven they

546
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Speaker 4: can win regular.

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Speaker 5: Season games with Lake Willis.

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Speaker 4: But if they're gonna win this division, they need Jordan Love.

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Speaker 4: Let's face it, to be a Pro Bowl level quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, only one great quarterback didn't make the playoffs.

552
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Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing that guarantees you're going to

553
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Speaker 1: be a playoff team almost across the line is offensive

554
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: coach and really good quarterback. That almost guarantees you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we would watch look at what Minnesota did last year

556
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Speaker 1: was Sam Darnolds, who we thought was done so a

557
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Speaker 1: Jordan Love and Matt Lafleura. If you just say that

558
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Speaker 1: out loud, the elite offensive coach, really talented quarterback, that

559
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Speaker 1: should be a playoff.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna learn a lot about them.

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Speaker 4: Open up with the Lions, and then you get Washington

562
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Speaker 4: if you're two and oh, we're gonna call them one

563
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: of the best teams in the league. If they lose

564
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Speaker 4: one of those games, we're gonna have serious questions.

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Speaker 3: Yep, John with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 3: thanks for stopping by. Colin Wrong.

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Speaker 1: Top of the Hour, Matt Hasselback, Dave Wonstat's got some

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Speaker 1: bare thoughts, Chicago Bears thoughts. Okay, so this I think

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Speaker 1: it may have happened Thursday or Friday. I was off Friday.

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Speaker 1: So the NCAA came down hard on Michigan, Well kind of.

571
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Speaker 1: They didn't have to vacate any wins, which is key,

572
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Speaker 1: and they find them a bunch of money. That's the

573
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Speaker 1: best punishment you could get for a big brand college program.

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Speaker 1: We want twenty million dollars. All right, we'll write a check.

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Speaker 1: They didn't vacate any wins.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Basically, the Connors Stallions situation, they found no definitive lie

578
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: to Harbaugh on Connor Stallions. It said at a minimum,

579
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Speaker 1: there was willful intent not to learn more about Connor

580
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: Stallion's methods.

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Speaker 3: That's fuzzy.

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Speaker 1: However, the true scope and scale of the scheme included

583
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Speaker 1: the competitive advantage, if conferred, will never truly be known

584
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Speaker 1: due to individuals intentional destruction of materials and information.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're right, a check their fire.

586
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Speaker 1: The bigger issue is if their current head coach isn't

587
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Speaker 1: the guy and you have to fire him in a

588
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Speaker 1: couple of years. There may be some coaches that are

589
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Speaker 1: scared off and don't want to take over the program.

590
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Speaker 1: But here's my thing on this. When you're a parent,

591
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Speaker 1: and I'm a parent, John's a new parent, I'm an

592
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Speaker 1: old parent, you get into a lot of situations where

593
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: something inappropriate is done, but you don't want to over

594
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Speaker 1: punish your kids.

595
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Speaker 3: But you do want to punish your kids.

596
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Speaker 1: You want to send a message to the other kids,

597
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Speaker 1: but you don't want to be out of touch, like

598
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Speaker 1: you don't want to be you know. And so I'll

599
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: give you an example, like, unless you work for Reno

600
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: nine to one one, a pot bust isn't really a

601
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: big deal in twenty twenty five. If you're a cop

602
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: and pull somebody over and you're like, hey, what's that

603
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: roachs doing.

604
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 3: In your car? Nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: The world changed, So I have a hard time getting

606
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: worked up over. Yeah, Connor Stallions, you know you had

607
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Speaker 1: a phone and he had a bunch of guys working

608
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Speaker 1: for him. Where's the link? Well, Harbor, where's the link?

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Speaker 3: Folks?

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Speaker 1: Do you understand how sketchy the transfer portal is?

611
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Speaker 3: It is?

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Speaker 1: It is so sketchy and so dark and so muddy,

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Speaker 1: and people stealing players. It's a mess. And I'm for

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal, the empowerment of the player. It is sketch.

615
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: By the way, you can now pay high school players,

616
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: which was the unpardonable sin my entire life. And so

617
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: I gotta have a hard time getting worked up over. Yeah,

618
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: there's some shaky iPhone video. By the way, that is legal.

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Speaker 1: Scouting is legal. There's been an underground business on this

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00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: for fifty years in the sport. Did they go overboard? Probably?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure, okay, but where's the definitive link? Where is it? Okay,

622
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: you don't have it? So again, it's like with my kids.

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Speaker 1: It is you want to punish, slap on the wrist,

624
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: give us a big check bowl limitations, But let's not

625
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: go crazy here. The world's changed. You can buy high

626
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: school players. The transfer portal is completely sketchy. They're making

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Speaker 1: it up as they go, And so I know I'm

628
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: supposed to be so upset with this and supposed to

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Speaker 1: be so outraged when Jim Harbaughs says, yeah, I'm not

630
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: engaged on this.

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Speaker 3: Stuff either would I.

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Speaker 1: I don't live my life through the rearview mirror. It's

633
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: all about the windshield. I don't care what happened at

634
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: other places. Tomorrow's show and today's show.

635
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: Is the key. And Hardball is saying, I don't care.

636
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: I'm not going back to college football. I don't care.

637
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: Jay Wright left it early, Coach k left it, Roy

638
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: Williams left it, Harball left it, Saban left it. It's

639
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: a mess. I am four an I l I am

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00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: for the transfer portal, But.

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Speaker 1: Don't act like you're outraged about stuff. In a world

642
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: now where stuff that would get the death penalty is

643
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: now marketed and promoted and monetized, you just go buy

644
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: high school players. That was the one thing you couldn't do,

645
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: A twenty dollars handshake, a free dinner. Okay, do not

646
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: buy high schoolers now. That's encouraged. So I'm not that

647
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: worked up over it. I'm not think Michigan's bigger issue

648
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: is the Big Ten now has got really good coaching,

649
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Speaker 1: and last year was not great for Michigan. They did

650
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: beat Ohio State. That was cool, I guess, but it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a great year. And now they have a five

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Speaker 1: star quarterback and Ohio State's ohways. Frankly, if we're being

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Speaker 1: totally honest, if you take Jim Harball out of the equation,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State has been a better program than Michigan most

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Speaker 1: of my life. Michigan occasionally will get the right coach.

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Speaker 1: If they're patient, they'll win big. Ohio State can hire

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Speaker 1: a coach and win an hour later. Ohio State's the

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Speaker 1: only SEC program in the North. So you know, I've

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Speaker 1: been very consistent on this stuff. You're trying to get

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Speaker 1: me all worked up on Michigan.

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 1: It's a roach in a car other than Reno nine

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Speaker 1: to one to one. You know, cops, you can't sell

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Speaker 1: me on that's a big crime in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: little bag a roach whatevs. Couple having a good time.

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Speaker 1: So Hardball's not coming back. Slap on the wrist. Gotta

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Speaker 1: pay somebody. And by the way, the other thing is, well,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be some recruiting limitations ll recruiting. You just

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Speaker 1: go buy guys in the transfer. If a booster comes

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Speaker 1: up and says, oh, you get nine less recruiting visits,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll offer nine more NIL players. All the

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Speaker 1: stuff you can mitigate ninety percent of it. Write a

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Speaker 1: big check. NCAA doesn't give me any definitive link. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even sure if they did, if I would be bothered.

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Speaker 1: We have an update on Matt Stafford. This thing, I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you there's only one team in the league that

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Speaker 1: could win the Super Bowl or go four and thirteen,

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Speaker 1: and it's the Rams. Based on Matt Stafford's health update.

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Speaker 2: Next, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 2: weekdays and noon Easter non a em Pacific.

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Speaker 5: This is the moment it was announced everyone had. August

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Speaker 5: thirtieth Circle.

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Speaker 4: The Arch Manning Era kicks off with a playoff rematch

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Speaker 4: for the Ages As Texas takes on the defending national

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Speaker 4: championship Ohio State Buck Guys on Big Noon Saturday. What

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Speaker 4: a way to get the season rolling. August thirtieth only

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Speaker 4: on focks.

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Speaker 1: I still like Texas in the points. I just don't

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Speaker 1: know what Ohio State will do at quarterback. Ohio State

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Speaker 1: should win their favorite. They have to do best players

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Speaker 1: in college football. I think I'm gonna take Texas and

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Speaker 1: the points, and I think it's gonna be like that

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Speaker 1: Oregon Ohio State game last year in Osin.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be wild.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a ton of scoring, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the highest rated Labor Day weekend game in the

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Speaker 1: history of college football. So one of the things that

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Speaker 1: really good teams do is they keep secrets. The Rams

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Speaker 1: are really good at secrets. They had decided, you know,

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Speaker 1: a year before they let go a Jalen Ramsey or

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Speaker 1: a Cooper cup or a Todd Gurley, or maybe five

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Speaker 1: months before they let go of Jared Goff.

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Speaker 3: They knew it.

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Speaker 1: Nobody else did so. I remember they held firm on

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. They love Matt Stafford. But Matt Stafford got

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Speaker 1: a one year deal. The bottom line is Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: wanted multiple guaranteed years and the Rams wouldn't budge. And

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Speaker 1: because they have two first round picks, here is the

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Speaker 1: guarantee in next year's NFL Draft. Not even Cleveland can

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Speaker 1: guarantee this. The Rams are going to take a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They are going to take a quarterback. So because no

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Speaker 1: team in the NFL right now could either win the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl or win four games like the Rams. It

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Speaker 1: all depends on Stafford's health because the backup is Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Speaker 1: who has aged very quickly and has been ineffective in

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Speaker 1: his last seven stars. So Stafford, this is a big story.

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Speaker 1: Stafford was at practice today and they have kept this

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Speaker 1: thing under wraps. They have been so covert and so quiet.

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Speaker 1: But the Rams move off people. Somebody on our staff

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Speaker 1: said this morning, I thought it was funny. Sean McVay,

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Speaker 1: is Belichick better dressed and with a smile. They move

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Speaker 1: off people a year early. They were they didn't want

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Speaker 1: to move off Matt Stafford. There was going to be

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Speaker 1: no long term deal. And so him being at practice,

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Speaker 1: we've all been waiting for this. Is he going to

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Speaker 1: practice because the defense is unbelievable. The running back room

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Speaker 1: now is really good. Devonte Adams. They drafted Terrence Ferguson

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Speaker 1: at tight end. They have a super Bowl team. The

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Speaker 1: left tackles had some blood cloths. If Stafford plays. They

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Speaker 1: can go toe to toe with anybody, including Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: I have him. But the Stafford thing, we're just sitting

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Speaker 3: waiting and nothing leaks. Nothing leaks. With the Rams.

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Speaker 1: It is a lot like Belichick. Nothing leaked. They moved

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Speaker 1: off Randy Moss. You think they love him, they move

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Speaker 1: off him. And they've moved off multiple stars. So all

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Speaker 1: I know is watching this, having watched the Rams, they're

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Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback next year, and they may keep Stafford

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Speaker 1: for one more year to let the kid he can

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Speaker 1: be a mentor. But this is like a story that

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Speaker 1: you got to keep your eye on, all right. You know.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is when you're young, you're eighteen, you're nineteen,

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Speaker 1: you're twenty, you're twenty three, twenty four, more than any

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Speaker 1: time in your life. I can only speak from a

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Speaker 1: guy's perspective, Your mentors, your bosses have an immeasurable impact.

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Speaker 1: By the time you're forty forty five, you're stuck in

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Speaker 1: your ways. You are what you are. You're not very moldable.

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Speaker 1: But I look at Jackson, dar to the Giants, look

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Speaker 1: at the mentors he's had offensively three years of Lane

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Speaker 1: Kiffin and now Brian Dable. When I watch him play,

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Speaker 1: he is playing like he trusts his coaches. He's playing

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Speaker 1: with a ton of confidence, sitting in the pocket letting

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Speaker 1: it rip.

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Speaker 3: He looks great. Now again it's preseason. You can't make

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Speaker 3: too much.

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields though, who has had Bears eber Fluse at

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Speaker 1: the end. Now he's got Aaron Glenn, he had Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields looks lost. He looked lost in this game.

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Speaker 1: He looks lost. Who have been his NFL mentors? Defensive coaches?

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Speaker 1: So when I look at Jackson Dart, I think what

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Speaker 1: an advantage? I mean, you start looking at all these

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Speaker 1: great quarterbacks, a lot of them, Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 3: Offensive coaches. You know last year Justin Herbert put up

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Speaker 3: some nice numbers.

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, former quarterback Mahomes Burrow, you know a lot

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Speaker 1: of these guys. Offensive coach Jaden Daniels had Brian Kelly

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Speaker 1: offensive side. In the cliff, Kingsbury and dan Quinn's the coach.

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury took over the offense. Dan Quinn acknowledged that's not

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Speaker 1: my room, that's Kingsbury's room.

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Speaker 3: So Bo Nicks, Sean Payton.

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Speaker 1: If you don't think who you land as your college

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Speaker 1: and your pro coach, it matters a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield looked pretty good in stretches. He did look

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Speaker 1: great with Freddie Kitchens. Like the coach matters, and I

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Speaker 1: think were Jackson Dart when I watch him three years

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Speaker 1: of lane, Kiffen into a coach Brian Dable that won

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Speaker 1: a playoff game with Daniel Jones, who reportedly is not

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Speaker 1: going to beat out Anthony Richardson with the Colts. So

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Speaker 1: Russell's gonna start. But you got to feel good. I

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Speaker 1: thought he was a bit of a reach in the

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Speaker 1: first round. I felt like he was a mid second

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Speaker 1: round quarterback. He's look really confident, and I think a

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Speaker 1: ton of it is Kiffen daball trusts his coaches.

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Speaker 3: Here's Brian Dable.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Russ is our starter and we're going to keep

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Speaker 8: developing Jackson here. Jackson just got to continue to work

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Speaker 8: to get better, and we got to help him get better.

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Speaker 8: What we're trying to do is help Jackson be the

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Speaker 8: best quarterback he can be, just like all the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 8: just like all the players on the team.

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Speaker 1: So Brian's not going to give you a lot at

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Speaker 1: the podium, But I said this last week Lane Kiffin

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Speaker 1: could be a head coach in the NFL. Well absolutely

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Speaker 1: was briefly with the old Al Davis.

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Speaker 3: It was a mess.

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Speaker 1: Lane Kevin did not want to draft JaMarcus Russell. He

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Speaker 1: pled with Al Davis. Al wouldn't listen. It went sideways.

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Speaker 1: But when I watched Jackson Dart and I watched Justin Fields,

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields, who's.

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Speaker 3: Been his guy?

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Speaker 1: And that one And by the way, neither Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: or Justin Fields to me are transformative players. Coaching's gonna

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Speaker 1: matter a lot, early mentors, early guidance, and Jackson's got it.

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Speaker 1: Colin Wright, Colin Wrang, Matt hasselback next for a lot