1 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: The show goes on. Welcome to the official show on 2 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: the Fish on First Podcast Channel, presented by MPC College Consulting. 3 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Eli Sussman. Here with you, Isaaca zoot alongside me. First 4 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: time in a while that you've heard me on the 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: mic for one of these extended interviews. But I'm optimistic 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: that it will have been well worth the weight, considering 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: we have joining us this time. He served as president 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: of the Marlins for half of the franchise's existence. He's 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: here away on the past president, the future of the Fish, 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: the host of Nothing Personal with David Sampson. It is 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: David Sampson really eager to pick your brain, David on 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: a whole lot of topics. So thanks a lot for 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: coming on. 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: Oh it's my pleasure. It's great to be here. I've 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: seen a picture of Marlins Park now on Depot Park. 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: It makes me smile. Unfortunately, Uh, of course I miss it. 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: I miss Florida, I missed the team, I missed the ballpark. 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: It is Uh, life goes on. 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: But then when you say I was there for half 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: of the franchise existence, I would assume that that is 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 2: that obviously won't be the case for much longer. 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: But it is. It's special. 23 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: I loved running the team and being a part of 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: that community and you know, all the way from winning 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: the World Series to the horrific you know, fire sale 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: trading of players. You know, everything from A to Z 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: is what makes an experience and it's good to be 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: on here. 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: Well, we want to start off with a contemporary topic. 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: You have a long time friendship with Jeff Conine and 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: finally a second generation Miami Marlin. His son, Griffin Conin, 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: just got called up earlier this week, has played the 33 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: last few games with the team in Colorado when he's 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: gone off to a very good start. Right there, Can 35 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: you just take us back to your earliest memories of 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: meeting a young Griffin and what it's like watching somebody 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: like that playing a major league game. It's gotta be 38 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: a different relationship than you have with watching any other 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: major league. 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: It's been interesting for me because I'm now of the 41 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: age shockingly where I've had second generation players. Don't forget 42 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: when I was with the Expos I had Laddie Guerrero 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: Senior and Laddy Guerrero Junior was rumbling around, you know, 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: as a two year old hitting wiffle balls, further than 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 2: I could, you know, drive a car. So I've watched 46 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: as kids have become men and become professional baseball players, 47 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: and believe me, it's strange. Now you talk about Griffin Conine, 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 2: who I was like an uncle. 49 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: He was not a baseball player. 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: He was a rebellious, skateboard loving kid who didn't want 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 2: to play baseball, didn't care that his dad played baseball. 52 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: And then one day he said, you know what, I'm 53 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: going to pick up a bat. 54 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: I may want to play and it became his obsession. 55 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: He became a big leaguer day by day, hour by hour, 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: with a level of commitment that frankly, Niner never had 57 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: the discipline that Griffin has. Jeff did not have the 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: skill that Griffin has. Jeff Conine did not have. Griffin 59 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: Conine is a better player than Jeff in every single tool. 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: And I say that knowing that Jeff Conin is mister Marlin. 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 2: Jeff Conin has two rings. Jeff con is a dear, 62 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: dear personal friend who I love very much, who we've 63 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: gone through it all together. It's not even close. And 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: Griffin could not get it together, cut down his strikeouts, 65 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: figure out a way to be mentally strong enough to 66 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: take the next step, and now he has. And it 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: is so great for Jeff to see the way he feels. 68 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: I can't even he can't even articulate to me what 69 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: it feels like to see his son be a big 70 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: leaguer and put it together the way he has accept 71 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: And I end with this about Griffin. 72 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: He's done the easy part. 73 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: As hard as that's been, it's way harder to stay 74 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: than it is to get to the big leagues. And 75 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: we would tell all the young players that, and Griffin's 76 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 2: not young, so it is going to be really hard 77 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: for him to stay as a big leaguer. And don't 78 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: be fooled by the first two games in Colorado, the triple, 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: the double he's slugging, you know, fifteen hundred. You know 80 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: he ended the game recently with a double play. It's 81 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: gonna happen. And the way we would judge young players 82 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: is not when they're two for three, not when they're 83 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: hitting home runs and triples and doubles. It's when they're 84 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: zero for twelve. Tell me how he reacts to that. 85 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: And I hope that Griffin reacts well, and I hope 86 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: he gets the chance he. 87 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: Deserves well, David, you said on nothing personal you would 88 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: you promised you're going to see him play before this 89 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: season ends. Do you stand by that? Do you have 90 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: a date picked out for what would be your first 91 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: time at a Carlin's game since your presidency ended? 92 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 3: So not only first time in a Marlin's game. 93 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: I haven't been to a baseball game since October of 94 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. And I went to enough baseball games from 95 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: two thousand to twenty seventeen to last about twenty five lifetimes. 96 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: But I haven't been to one. 97 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: So I do want to come se Griffin player. I 98 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: was supposed to be in Colorado, but literally his first 99 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 2: game was the day my son was moving into college 100 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: and I could not be there for Griffin. I am 101 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: going to find my way to Florida to get to 102 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: a game. I'm hoping it's next week. That is my plan, 103 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: and I want to uh it's you know, it's funny 104 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: you asked that. Am I just gonna buy a ticket 105 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: and walk in and sit in the stands? I guess 106 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: so I still have a hut left for Maybe Gryffin 107 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: will leave me a ticket at Wilcar. 108 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: What I'm gonna do? 109 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to text Griffin and say, hey, I need 110 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: to for blank put me on the list. 111 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: And I'll family section. 112 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, now we've got a plan. Or maybe I'll 113 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: sit in the diamond club. But yes, I do want 114 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: to see him play, and I think it's going to 115 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: be interesting when I go back into that stadium. It 116 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: will be a flood of emotions and there will be Ah, 117 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: It'll be interesting. 118 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 4: David, I wanted to get your opinion on just the 119 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 4: job that President of Baseball Operations Peter Bendix has done 120 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: thus far. You've seen him deal with trade deadline, You've 121 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 4: seen him deal with the draft. I'm just curious how 122 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: you'd evaluate his first eight to ten months so far 123 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 4: of running this ball club. 124 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: I think that his reputation of the game is that 125 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: it's unclear whether he has the ability to be a 126 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: number one. He's a fantastically brilliant mind. But it's funny 127 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: to be a president Baseball Operations. Make no mistake, it's 128 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: not a collection of nerds. You can't do that. It's 129 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: a huge business. And I say nerds lovingly. It's a 130 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: huge business that you're running when you're a president of 131 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: Baseball operations. It's a huge people business, and it is 132 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: a huge financial business. It requires myriad skills, and I 133 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: haven't seen Peter with the ability to manifest all of 134 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: the skills required to be a top long lasting president 135 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: baseball operations. He may have the ability to get Bruce 136 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: to do what he wants and build the team the 137 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 2: way he watched it get built in Tampa. There's something, though, different. 138 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: Stu Sternberg, the owner of the Rays, is different than 139 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: Bruce Sherman, the owner of the Marlins. What worked in 140 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: Tampa worked not just because of the brilliance of the executives, 141 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: but the acquiescence of the owner. And I'm not convinced 142 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: that Bruce Sherman and the other partners in Miami, who 143 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: have lost so many games and so much money, and 144 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: they say so clearly, we want to model ourselves after 145 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Rays. Hiring Peter Bendex to them was 146 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: the first step in modeling themselves after the Rays. The 147 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: problem is they've missed the point. To be the raise. 148 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: They've got to be an owner like Stu Sternberg, and 149 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: they're not. Could they change. I've never seen owners change 150 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: in my career. Is it impossible? No? 151 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: Is it likely? 152 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: No? 153 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: Does that mean that Peter will fail. 154 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: Yes, well you did say I think this was right 155 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: after kim Ang parted with the team, that they would 156 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: be better off with a new voice in there or 157 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: somebody else knew in that position. So do you still 158 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: have conviction about that or is it just. 159 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: Never I am complete conviction and I don't want to 160 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: be well, I'm just gonna say it. 161 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: I've said it. She was never the GM. 162 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: That's just you can put her on the cover of 163 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: whatever magazine you want, you can have her be that 164 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: whatever face of baseball you want. Kim Ang was not 165 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: making the decisions within the Marlins organization. They can deny 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: all they want, but the people there know the truth. 167 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean she's incapable, It doesn't mean any of that. 168 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean I don't want women to have that job. 169 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: I absolutely do. But kim Angle was not that person. 170 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: And that is very proving to be true when you 171 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: will see whether or not she it becomes the president 172 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: baseball operations for another team. That said, the new voice 173 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: that I really was referring to, the way that things 174 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: will get better is the elimination of Jeter, who's gone, 175 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: of Denbo who's gone, could Peter be the beacon of 176 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 2: light working together with Bruce Sherman. We got to wait 177 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: to see. You can't evaluate his trade deadline right now. 178 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: You can't say that, Oh, Trevor Rodgers was sent to 179 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: the minor leagues by the Orioles. What a brilliant trade 180 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: because Norby's got a twelve game hitting streak. No one 181 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: who runs a baseball team of value ways to trade 182 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: like that. So it's gonna take a minute here to 183 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 2: figure out whether or not he can do Peter what 184 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: he says he can do. 185 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: We'll find out. 186 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, one of those trades that he did make involved 187 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 4: Jazz Toism Junior, And I wanted to get your take 188 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 4: on just that report, many reports when they were trying 189 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: to trade him at this deadline, the reports about his 190 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 4: quote unquote personality, his brashness, and I just wanted to 191 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 4: get your take because to me, how legitimate is that concern? 192 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: You know, you there's a lot of teams that employ 193 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 4: guys that aren't exactly clubhouse Saints, and I'm. 194 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: Just s one of them. 195 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 4: Was that like a strategic move to maybe get the 196 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: price down of for Jazz or was that a legitimate 197 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: concern by other GMS not wanting to have Jazz and 198 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: his personality in that clubhouse. 199 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: Jazz was never gonna work in Miami. It just was not. 200 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: And I think if there's one city and one team 201 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: where Jazz has a chance to reach his potentials with 202 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: the Yankees, because gian Carlo and Aaron they are in 203 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: Anthony Rizzo, They're not going to put up with somebody 204 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: who's hitting two fifty and someone who is thinking that 205 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: there's something they're not. I've watched gian Carlo Stanton around 206 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: players who come in thinking that they are the king 207 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 2: of the world and they stink and they haven't proven 208 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: a thing, and he doesn't suffer fools gladly. So if 209 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: there's one clubhouse where Jazz, he's not the main guy, 210 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: not the star. He is not coming in there to 211 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: save the day for the Yankees at all. He is 212 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: not supposed to do that. You've seen him struggle at 213 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: third base normal, you've seen him hit a home runs. 214 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: He's got those abilities, there's no doubt about that. But 215 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: I think the Yankees were the only destination for Jazz. 216 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: Other teams just didn't want to put up with his baggage. 217 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: And believe me, that was known in the industry. He 218 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: was not well appreciated or liked in within the Marlins 219 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 2: organization from top to bottom, and so the fact that 220 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: they were able to extract any sort of value for 221 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: him as he was starting to get more expensive is 222 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: a net positive for the Marlins, no matter how hot 223 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: a start he is off to in New York. So 224 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 2: I found that trade listen, I wouldn't have done the 225 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: original trade. I don't like trading pitching for position players, 226 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: and I've done it before, but I don't like doing it, 227 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: you know, having Zach Gallon in the rotation. 228 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: I've traded so many young pitchers. 229 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: In my day, but man, they're gold and having Zach 230 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: Gallen good and cheap and not hurt. You know, we're 231 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: wasting a year of Sandy and we're off the subject. 232 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: But anyway, when. 233 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 2: Sandy gets better, he's going to be more expensive, and 234 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: so it's so critical to have had him healthy now 235 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: versus later. 236 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see. There's so many will sees with 237 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: the Marlins. But don't fret. Every organization has will seize. 238 00:12:59,320 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: Trust me. 239 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: Just a little bit more on Jazz from somebody that 240 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: was in your perspective, he had that very valuable and 241 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: tangible quality to get fans excited for him to rate 242 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: to be just so marketable. Very inherently. No, however he 243 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: conducts doesn't factor into the equation. 244 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 3: It didn't translate. 245 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: What you're saying is totally anecdotal. It's like saying that 246 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 2: people you know bought tickets to watch Hanley Ramirez. People 247 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: didn't buy tickets even to watch gian Carlos Stanton. There's 248 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: no incremental benefit. Jazz was not selling tickets. He may 249 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: have gotten good media attention on social media, but executives 250 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: and salespeople do not make the mistake of thinking that 251 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: Twitter is life and the excitement around videos and tiktoks 252 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: that is not monetization for a team. Monetization is manifested 253 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: through season tickets and individual tickets and sponsorship revenue. The 254 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: Marlins made the playoffs, they got crushed financially. People were 255 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: not coming. They did not sign up the next year 256 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: to buy season tickets. Oh, but the team wasn't helped 257 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: enough of the excuses, both for fans and for management. 258 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: There is an issue with the finances in Miami, and 259 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: that was a factor for sure in the Jazz trade. 260 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: Do you have a high school student going through the 261 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: college application process. 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Well, one thing that indirectly helps those 269 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: finances the World Baseball Classic coming back to Miami, and 270 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: not just coming back, but being the primary host for 271 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: the tournament as they were in twenty twenty three. 272 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: The CROL matter. 273 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: The schedule just came out for what will ultimately be 274 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: only fifteen games. But if if anything like the twenty 275 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: three version, like it's most of those games are sold out. 276 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: Most of those games are very high demands sellouts. How 277 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: do you even go about, like estimating what the financial 278 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: impact for this tournament is on the Marlins and. 279 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: How oh it's maybe thank you for asking, that's easy. 280 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: We do that. 281 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: So I hosted the WBC, and it's very simple. We 282 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: know exactly what our expenses are to put on these events. 283 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: We know exactly the percentage of revenue we get because 284 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: the ticket prices are set by Baseball. We have a 285 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: P and L for the World Baseball Classic before it starts, 286 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: and just so you know the total profit. Lest you 287 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: all think that we can sign we, I'm using WE. 288 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: It'sday. 289 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: Lest you think they're in the market to sign Juan 290 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: Soto because of the WBC. 291 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: The net profit from. 292 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: Hosting the World Baseball Classic, if all of the world 293 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: of lines and everything is just coming up roses maybe 294 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: five to ten million. And that's in a world of perfection. 295 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: So it is not the boon to your team's bottom 296 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: line that you think, which is why what you do 297 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: is what the Marlins are doing. 298 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: And I did it too. 299 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: If you want to go to the WBC, you gotta 300 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: buy season tickets to the Marlins. 301 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: We've all tried that. Everybody tries that. 302 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: And guess what we found that we could go public 303 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: and say, man, why aren't people coming to Marlins games 304 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: when they fill up the ballpark to watch the dr 305 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: against Venezuela. 306 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: Where are they all when. 307 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: It's the Marlins against the Pirates on a Tuesday in August. 308 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: It's a different event. 309 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: It's like asking people at a sold out Drake concert, 310 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: why aren't you there for Hank Williams. It's just not comparable. 311 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 2: So the Marlins hosting WBC is great for Loan Depot Park, 312 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: it's great for Miami, it's great for the fans. It's 313 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: great for the players, which is why Miami's chosen as 314 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: a site. It always was a site going back to 315 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: pro player. But if you think that it adds up 316 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: to a change in how payroll is done in Miami 317 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: for the Marlins, it's just not the case. 318 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 4: David, I wanted to get your opinion on something that 319 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 4: I've been outspoken about for a little bit. You've obviously 320 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 4: hosted a few World Baseball Classics, You've been president while 321 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: these tournaments have gone on. I'm just curious, how did 322 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 4: you feel about your players participating in this tournament, knowing 323 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 4: that it happened during spring training, Knowing that your pitchers 324 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: are going from backfields a couple of innings to World 325 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 4: Series environments so early in spring, were you ever uneasy 326 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 4: about letting some of your pitchers go out and play 327 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 4: in this. 328 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: Tournament every day? 329 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: I was on the International Committee when I was president 330 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: of the Marlin and I had to publicly say I 331 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: love the World Baseball Classic. It's the perfect time of year. 332 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: This is exactly what the game needs. We're gonna grow 333 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: the game. Screw you Olympics. We're gonna show you that 334 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: we're a global sport and we're gonna make it exciting. Meanwhile, 335 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: in back rooms, I'm talking to binfester Hill or Jennings saying, 336 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: God damn it, I cannot believe that we are gonna 337 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 2: have our players playing in this where they're gonna get 338 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 2: all lathered up this early in March, and they don't 339 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: start as early as they need to be in February 340 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 2: to get that lathered in March. Am I worried anytime 341 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: a player is running to first base that they're gonna 342 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: pull a hammy. I don't care. I'm gonna say this 343 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 2: and it's gonna come out wrong. I'm not paid to 344 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: care whether the US or the Dominican wins the World 345 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: Baseball Classic. I want a World Series. I want to 346 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: host playoff games because that's how we're gonna make money, 347 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: and that's how we're gonna get rings, and that's how 348 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: we're gonna increase the value of our team. The us 349 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: winning the WBC because my player is starting on the 350 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: team doesn't do one thing for me or our team. Yeah, 351 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: that's the quiet part out loud, and I am not 352 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: the only person who thinks that way. I may be 353 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: the only person who says it, though. 354 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: I completely agree with you. And something that I'm curious 355 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 4: about is why apparently it's not up to the teams 356 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 4: to allow or disallow their players to participate. Why is 357 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 4: that You know their employer is allowing it. Shouldn't it 358 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 4: be up to the employer or franchise to let them play? 359 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 3: We are involved. That's not true. Actually, okay, we do 360 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 3: get to give permission for players. 361 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 4: Is that just if they're on the il, but the 362 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: season before or in general, Well, we. 363 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: Have a way that we can immediately say no. 364 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 2: Okay, so if a player's coming off an injury or 365 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: if there's been overused, there's there's different criteria where you 366 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: can just say no. But if you are allowed to 367 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: say yes, you don't have to say yes. Rob Manford 368 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: and Bud Steelig would spend hours on the phone calling 369 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: owners and presidents. Hey, how come you're giving us a 370 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: hard time about player ex We need these players come 371 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: on and It's sort of like a nuclear power plan. 372 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: You want the power, just not in your backyard. We 373 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: all love the idea of the World Baseball Classic, we 374 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: just don't want it to be our players. 375 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask one more question now about the 376 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: current team. One of these storylines coming down the stretch 377 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: is the expiring deal of Skip Schumacher, and I think 378 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: you and in us are on the same page here. 379 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: That seems unlikely that Skip is going to come back. 380 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: He's a pending free agent right here and now working 381 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: underneath the front office that didn't bring him in in 382 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: the first place. How would you handle that for somebody 383 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: that is well regarded publicly, who was the reigning National 384 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: League Manager of the Year, If he's coming to the 385 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: end of his deal, Like, how what sort of messaging 386 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: to you put out there? When don't you make it 387 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: official that he's out of the situation? And what do 388 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: you think the Marlins are going to do? Is he 389 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: just going to like quietly walk away at the end 390 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 1: of the year or is there going to be some 391 00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: sort of advanced notice. 392 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: You think in a dream scenario, word wouldn't have gotten 393 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: out that his option was terminated because that was his 394 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: last day as manager of the Marlins. Let's just be 395 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: very clear, he's not coming back to be the manager 396 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: of the Marlins, and that is mutual. But publicly, what 397 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: they're going to say the day after the final game 398 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: of the season is they will have messaging where Skip 399 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: is appreciative toward Bruce for the opportunity, Bruce is appreciative 400 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: to Skip, and that Bruce acknowledges that Skip wanted to 401 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 2: move on. Skip acknowledge is thankful. He's thankful for the opportunity, 402 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: but excited for future opportunities that exist. Skip is out 403 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: in the market. 404 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: He's not just. 405 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 2: Going to not be a manager next year. He knows 406 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: there's tampering that goes on with managers way before this 407 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: date in August. There is clear path for what he 408 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: wants to do, and that path was manifested when he 409 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: did not want this option and the Marlins did not 410 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: want this option for next year. So I believe that 411 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 2: you will find unanimity and commonality of interest between the 412 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 2: team and the manager. If dueling statements come out and 413 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: there's anger and vitrio, that means something went terribly wrong 414 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: and I just don't see that happening. 415 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 4: Right Well, David, you made a lot of trades in 416 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 4: your tenure as president of the Miami Marlins. What we 417 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 4: want to know are the trades that didn't happen, that 418 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: did not come to fruition, some of the spicier trades 419 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 4: or sign free agent signings that were very close that 420 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 4: were on the final steps but just didn't end up happening. 421 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: I mean, the biggest one is one I've talked about before, 422 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 2: but I love to talk about. We had Jose Fernandez 423 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: traded to the Diamondbacks. It was done, and I mean 424 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: done until Ken Kendrick, the owner of the Diamondback said no, 425 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: we had agreed to that trade. We had all the 426 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: players ready, we were ready to exchange medicals. 427 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: We had. 428 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: The most interesting memory of a trade was obviously the 429 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 2: Blue Jays trade of twenty twelve, where the Blue Jays 430 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: called and said, hey, Josh Johnson failed as physical and 431 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: we said, hey, so does Henderson Alvarez. What do you 432 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: want to do these guys their arms are about to 433 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 2: fall off Anthopolis at the time had the trade had 434 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 2: been announced, basically, and so they were screwed and we 435 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: had to get rid of the money. We were screwed, 436 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 2: and so we both decided we'd get screwed together, which 437 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: doesn't happen often in trades. Mostly one side or the 438 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: other benefits. I don't believe the Blue Jays really benefiting. 439 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: We benefited by unloading salary and then losing one hundred 440 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: games the next year under Redman. But you know, so 441 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: many trades don't happen. We had Brad Penny traded ten 442 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: times every deadline. He was our famous poach trade bait, 443 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: which means at the end of every deadline, what we 444 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 2: used to do is we would put together a dream trade, 445 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: like a ridiculous trade where we had not been talking 446 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: to this team about this player, and we would call 447 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: the team and say, listen, we got an idea. How 448 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: about Brad Penny and blank for blank? Just out of nowhere? 449 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: Is there anyone else out there nimble enough who's willing 450 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: to entertain a trade like that at three point thirty 451 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: before four o'clock deadline? 452 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: And those never came to fruition. 453 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: The GM who is really good at returning the favors 454 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: like that was Dave Dombrowski, always very nimble, always willing 455 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: to work quickly. Certain gms we'd laugh at when we'd 456 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: call because they would not. They can't function. They need 457 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: to contemplate their navel for two days. It's funny. There 458 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: are some gms that they're just scared, scared of making mistakes. 459 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: I was never scared, and boy did we make mistakes, 460 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: but I was never scared to make them because we 461 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: did the analysis that all thirty teams. You have to 462 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: ignore the media which says that we're the farm system 463 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: for the rest of Major League Baseball. Everyone would say 464 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: that about the Marlins. So we would keep a list 465 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: of other players on teams who used to come from 466 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: other teams, and every team had players who they had 467 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: given up on who ended up being great for a 468 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: different team. So we never let that impact us. 469 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: On a similar note, on terms of an honor of 470 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 1: Griffin being called up, were there certain prospects in your 471 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: experience that internally, right on the cusp of their debut 472 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: you were convinced we're going to be stars or just 473 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: longtime big leaguers that really fell on their faces. Any 474 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: notable examples of ones that you had a lot of 475 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: excitement and conviction about once they were called up and 476 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: it just didn't click for them. 477 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: Well, that is my fault, because we would call players 478 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: up and put them in positions to fail, and we 479 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: would call them up too early because we got so impatient. 480 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: But two names that our names maybe the audience has 481 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: never heard of. There was a picture named Logan Kenzing 482 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: and he was God. 483 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: He was so good. 484 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: He was a pitcher, and we just abused him. We 485 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: brought him up too early. We brought him up in 486 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: a situation where it didn't work for him, and then 487 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: we would send him up and down. Brad Hand is 488 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: another great example. Totally screwed him up by the way 489 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 2: we dealt with him. Graham Taylor's another one. He had 490 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: great command. We brought him up too early. We put 491 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: him in a situation where he lost his command, and 492 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: if you look back, I think he lost his career. 493 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: Boy, did we screw that one up. 494 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: We screwed up so many But again, before you say, 495 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: my god, the worst president in the history of baseball, 496 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: make sure you go to other teams and look around, 497 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: because every team screws up prospects because it's so hard 498 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: for specs to make it. But I certainly can think 499 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: of examples where we should have done better because we 500 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 2: thought they'd be better. That's funny to make me think 501 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: about that. I haven't thought about Logan kenzing in a 502 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: really long time. Sorry, Logan, if you're watching, I really 503 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: am sorry. 504 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 4: Well, we sort of spoke a little bit yesterday about 505 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: you know you today as well when you're returning to 506 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 4: Lone Deepo Park, and that you think that the approval 507 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: rating for you is higher than most people would think, 508 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 4: and I would be part of that approval segment of 509 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 4: the population. I'm curious, not that it would happen, but 510 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 4: if let's say you were showing on the Jubbo tron 511 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 4: welcoming you back to Loan Deepo Park next week, what 512 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 4: do you think the reception would be? Would it be 513 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 4: mostly positive or mostly negative? What do you think it 514 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,239 Speaker 4: would be? 515 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 3: I would assume. 516 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 2: That the you know, four thousand people in the ballpark 517 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: would have the same view of me as usual, which 518 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: is a smattering of booze and then a smattering of cheers, 519 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: and then a smattering majority of people like who's that guy? 520 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: So I don't I never really paid much attention to 521 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 2: cheers or the booze, the way I don't pay attention 522 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: much to the criticisms or the applause because I don't 523 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 2: believe that you can ignore one without ignoring the other. 524 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to be the person who only believes 525 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: the positive and ignores the negative, because that's delusional. And 526 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: I don't want to be the person who only believes 527 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 2: the negative and ignores the positive, because that's depressing. 528 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: So I chose just. 529 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: To always ignore them both throughout my career, and it 530 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: has served me really well in the social media age, 531 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: where Dan Lebtard would just say that I'm full of wires, 532 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: and I would say, it's not that at all. It's 533 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: that I'm able to put blinders on and sort of 534 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: ignore the noise and do my job, and that's what 535 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: I've always done. 536 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: Interesting well, hopefully in this next week you make that 537 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: return and you see exactly how that experience unfolds for 538 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: you and that reception for you, David. But we appreciate 539 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: the time on here. We enjoy the podcast listening on 540 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: a regular basis a lot of insid not just about 541 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: the marvels of course, but the entire world of sports business. 542 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: And so keep it up and we'll talk again soon. 543 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: In the few. 544 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah, don't take your platform for granted. You guys 545 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: are doing great, and just keep you got to keep going. 546 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: Remember I started nothing personal. The only listener was my 547 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: mother and that you know, literally, and it's now grown 548 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: into what it is and it keeps growing. 549 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: Just don't give up if you can. Most people do. 550 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: But your your content and the way you do it 551 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: is professional and smart and interesting and I and I 552 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: hope you guys keep going. 553 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: Thanks A Lott. David, Yeah, but was I think Asa 554 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: kazoo elis husband here David Sampson nothing personal with David 555 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: Sampson here on the official show Fish on First, wherever 556 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: you find Fish on First, on your podcast, distribut some channels, 557 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: and fish on First dot com for all our coverage 558 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: down for this final month of this Marlin season with 559 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: Griffin Coenin and all the other various storylines surrounding this 560 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: team at all levels, we got you covered as always, 561 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: Go Fish