1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: for listening to the Herd podcast. 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: Oh What Up America? Doug Gott leave in for Colin. 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: you may be making us fun of your day. Thanks 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: so much. Colin is on vacation. You are very likely 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: out and about. Maybe you're doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 2: you're driving around somebody who's doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: you had to work today, Like I got it, ma 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: there what you gotta do? Welcome in day after Thanksgiving. 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: Obviously you probably feel like you're like your swine, right. 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: I mean we ate it like two o'clock yesterday. I'm 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: still full. I'm still full. But a good day for football. 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: Packers take down the Lions, Cowboys take down the Chiefs. 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: Bengals with Joe Burrow without and with Jamar Chase end 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: up taking down the Baltimore Ravens. So we'll get to 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: some football. Plus we've got unbelievable rivalry weekend in college 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: football and the Egg Bowls one people are paying attention 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: to because they want to know what Lane Kiffin's doing. 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: All that is going to be discussed over the next 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: three hours. One of my favorite parts of listening to 27 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: Colin and being Colin's friend for years is the when 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 2: call them was right, when call them was wrong? Right. 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: But I think there's a good portion of all of 30 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: us that need to go a my bad. Maybe this 31 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: is the classic. Cowboys aren't really good. They're just not 32 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: as bad as we thought they would be. But the 33 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: reality is the Cowboys took down the Chiefs, the Chiefs, 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: the team. And again I'll be the first one to 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: tell you I've always just operated under the until further notice, 36 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: Chiefs win the AFC West Chiefs get to the AFC 37 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: Championship Game because that's what they do with Pat Mahomes 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: at quarterback, and until prove it otherwise, I was gonna 39 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna die on that die on that hill. But 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: how can you not be impressed by the Dallas Cowboys. 41 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: I get it, I'm with you. I love when the 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 2: Packers took down the Cowboys a couple of years ago 43 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: in the playoffs, Dak throws all those picks in the 44 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: first half. I like you had just an enjoyable experience 45 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: watching the Cowboys fan meltdown on social media. But since 46 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: the bye week they beat the Raiders created the Raiders 47 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: aren't particularly good, but we didn't think the Cowboys were good. 48 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: And remember this is after getting destroyed by Denver and 49 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: getting beaten by the Arizona Cardinals at home. The season 50 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: could have gone the way of the Dodo. Right. They 51 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: had lost three out of four games, two of them 52 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: to non playoff teams in the Carolina Panthers in the 53 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: Arizona Arizona Cardinals. And what have they done over the 54 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 2: last five days. They beat the Eagles and they beat 55 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: the Chiefs. Granted both at home, but both thought to 56 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: be I mean, that's the last you know, Super Bowl 57 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: teams and teams that were thought to be playoff teams 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: this year. So at some point we go, hey, you know, 59 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: they're not perfect. They create a lot of noise just 60 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: to create noise. They do seem to put themselves in 61 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: the same conundrum on a yearly basis, where they wait 62 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: until the last second and then always overpay their guy. 63 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: But this year is different. Instead of overpaying Michael Parsons, 64 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: they traded him and they were committed to stopping the run. 65 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: And guess what, it kind of worked. Defense isn't great, 66 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: but it wasn't gonna be great with Michael Parsons, and 67 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: they handed the franchise to Dak Prescott. And by handed 68 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: to him, It's not just the contract extension they gave 69 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: him last year. It's not just the fact that he's 70 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: the starting quarterback and they put weapons around him, you know, 71 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: going out and getting Pickens this year in a trade. 72 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: It's that they kept Brian Schottenheimer for the most part 73 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: because he's a good offensive coordinator. Dak Prescott likes him, 74 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: and they didn't want to have another language in Dak 75 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: Prescott's here when this one clearly works for him. And 76 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: what has Dak Prescott done three point fifty four two 77 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: last weekend, three twenty yesterday, one hundred and twelve yards 78 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: with CD Lamb last week it was Pickens that was 79 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: the main target. It doesn't matter. Dak Prescott has shown 80 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: himself to be a top ten at worst quarterback in 81 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: the regular season this year, maybe even top five. And 82 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: though it is offense first, the defense does stop the run. 83 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: They are better than we thought. The Cowboys. They're not great, 84 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: They're not gonna win the Super Bowl, but they're far 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: from the laughing stock that people want to portray the 86 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: mass and as a collective group of Cowboys haters, which 87 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: most of us are right, it's weird. It's, for whatever reason, 88 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: a very polarizing team. You either are a Cowboys fan 89 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: and a constant believer that this is the year, or 90 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: you kind of laugh and scoff at the Cowboys, even 91 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: if they're not a rival of your team. And I've 92 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: said this on my show, the Doug Gottlieb Show follows 93 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: this show it has for the last eight years on 94 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Trading on the iHeartRadio app. I've said on 95 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: my show that yes, Jerry Jones does things just for effect. 96 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: Jerry Jones will say some weird stuff, but by and large, 97 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: whether it's Jerry or his son, if you ask football 98 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: people that I'll tell you Cowboys have good players. It 99 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: doesn't always work, and it hasn't gotten them Super Bowl. 100 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: But the Cowboys, if we're questioning Jerry as a GM 101 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: in terms of their evaluations, some of their signings. It's 102 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: not going to be one hundred percent hit rate. It 103 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 2: isn't for anybody, Chiefs, Eagles, nobody hits one hundred percent 104 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: free agents or draft picks. But they're better more often 105 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 2: than they're not when him and his group are making selections. 106 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: Here's Jerry talking about the two big wins of the 107 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: over a four day stretch. 108 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: I have them, really, I don't remember a better plub 109 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: I've got two games back to back here at home, 110 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: and these guys played inspired. 111 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 4: Kansas City had. 112 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: A nice crowd here, and so it was really important 113 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: to us to play the way we did because they 114 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 3: were here to for kindly be. 115 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 4: There for Kansas City. 116 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 5: So I just can't tell you the respect I. 117 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 4: Have Kansas City. 118 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: Here's Brian Shott, number, the head coach of the cow Boys, 119 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: on his quarterback Dak Prescott's performance. 120 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: I thought he was incredible. I mean, you know, I 121 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: really do. I think, you know, throw an interception on whatever, 122 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: the second or third play the game is never how 123 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: you want to start. We were actually were hot, and 124 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: you know, he tried to beat it with the throw 125 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: and the corner did a nice job. He kind of 126 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: baited him into it. But I mean, that's that's who 127 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: we are as a football team. You know, we go 128 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: out there and we turn it over in the first 129 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: couple of plays. They go I think two plays and 130 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: score a touchdown, and we never panicked. We're not going 131 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: to panic this team. 132 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 5: Why would we panic. 133 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: We've got all the confidence in the world and one another, 134 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: and then we're going to figure it out and we're 135 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: going to make, you know, really good adjustments. 136 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: And and look, there is a discussion about the Chiefs 137 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: and the ten penalties, but outside of fourth down conversions, 138 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: where the Chiefs got three out of three, Cowboys more yards, 139 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: more first downs, fewer penalties, nine of sixteen on third down, 140 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: whereas the Chiefs were five of thirteen, and they had 141 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: the ball longer than the Chiefs, and the Chiefs didn't 142 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: turn it over and didn't win the game. Here's Dak 143 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: Prescott on his team. 144 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 6: Having to get these wins against two elite teams. I mean, 145 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 6: the two teams that played in the Super Bowl last year. 146 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 6: Last year is last year. But you're talking about two 147 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 6: organizations that obviously know how to win, and we just 148 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 6: beat them both in two great games. As you said 149 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 6: in four days and just showing the resiliency of this unit, 150 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 6: of this brotherhood on top of everything that we've been through. Yeah, 151 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 6: I don't know if there's been two more impressive wins, 152 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 6: but I can tell you right now that we're not 153 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 6: going to just sit on some high because of that. 154 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 6: We know we've got a big one coming again next week. 155 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 6: And all this really does for us is just give 156 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 6: us more confidence knowing that we can go play with whoever. 157 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: It's true, and they do have a big one. They 158 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: go to Detroit. Detroit just lost the Packers yesterday. You 159 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: know that one's right around the corner here on a Thursday, 160 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: so you know, both teams have the same amount of 161 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: time off, but it's right back at it. Then they 162 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 2: get Vikings at home, Chargers at home, they go to 163 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 2: the Commanders, to the Giants. I mean, even if they 164 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: can't beat the Lions, will probably be favorites in three 165 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: of those last four games, and the window for the 166 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: Cowboys making the playoffs is very much open. To the 167 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: point of is this This is not me to saying 168 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL. This 169 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 2: is not me saying Dak Prescott's the best quarterback in 170 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: the NFL, or Brian Schottenheimer's the best coach in the NFL, 171 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: or Jerry Jones the best GM in the NFL. But 172 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: when we started the season and they had the hold 173 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: out with Micah Parsons and he's laying there on the 174 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: training table, you had so many people saying, pay the 175 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: guy Cowboys are and it's easy. Cowboys are a clown organization. 176 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: They don't pay guys, and then ultimately they overpay and 177 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: they're still not commedy good. And then when they were 178 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: competitive with Philadelphia week one of the season, you can 179 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: feel free to raise your hand. I will as well 180 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 2: where you think I was surprised by it. Then they 181 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: get blown out by the Bears. Third week of the season, 182 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: you're like, okay, they're addressing the mean. They tie the 183 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: Packers and that felt like a massive upset. They lose 184 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: to the Panthers, and now they're playing more like the 185 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: Cowboys you expected. They win the last three, they're very 186 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: much in the playoff hunt, and it's okay to go. 187 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: You know, they did a pretty good job considering they 188 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: don't have a great defense. They got to rework it 189 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: in the offseason. But now they have some draft picks, 190 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: and they locked up Dak long term. And if you 191 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: like me, were never really a Dak guy. I'm not 192 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: a Dak Denier like he stinks, but he has not 193 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: been good in the playoffs. He's been outstanding this year. 194 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: They've been way better than anybody thinks. And you can 195 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: make fun of Jerry Jones's comments and the weird way 196 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: in which sometimes he tells a story, but those are 197 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: pretty good football guys. DEVI got a pretty good job 198 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: of putting a more than decent product on the field, 199 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: and the Cowboys are way better than most anyone thought. 200 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, Jase two, Yeah, remember the Jerry Jones documentary that 201 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 5: came out. I forget the name of it, but it was. 202 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 5: It was a really good watch. It was the Jerry 203 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 5: Jones version of the Cowboys story in the nineties, yep. 204 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 5: And the big takeaway from that for me was that 205 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 5: the biggest point of contention between him and Jimmy Johnson 206 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 5: over the years, and I don't even think they've settled 207 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 5: it to today, was who made the deal for Marshall Walker? 208 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, who gets credit? 209 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 5: Who gets credit? And they've they've they literally didn't talk, 210 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 5: and they had all these issues I had thought when 211 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 5: he traded Micah at the beginning of the year that 212 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 5: he was kind of feeling his oats from that documentary. 213 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 5: He watched it and he's like, I'm gonna make a deal. 214 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 5: This is all me. I signed off on this, and 215 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 5: this is going to be one of my signature moments 216 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 5: as a football decision maker. And can you say now 217 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 5: that so far that has worked because he got so 218 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 5: much crap when he first did it. 219 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: No question, I think he got a lot of crap 220 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: because people also thought it was it was his own 221 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: fault for not resigning Micah Parsons early. But it was early, 222 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: you know, and at some point you get to the ay, 223 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: we're not going to be great defensively with him, so 224 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: why should we resign him to a gigantic contract which 225 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: will harbor our ability to be good, you know, in 226 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: the future. But yeah, maybe it was as a reaction 227 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: to that doc Maybe the timing was just curious. Maybe 228 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. You bring up a very very good point, 229 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: but all we can go by is this year and 230 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: most people thought the Cowboys would kind of be a 231 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: joke playing for a high seed, right, and that Brian 232 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: Schottenheim would simply have the job for a short period 233 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: of time, and then he'd bring in somebody else. And 234 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 2: to this point it's okay to go, Hey, we were wrong. 235 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: We're wrong. 236 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 7: Be sure to catch live edition of The Herd weekdays 237 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 7: and noone Easter nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 238 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 7: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 239 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 8: Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning 240 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 8: on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't 241 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 8: your typical sports pod pushing the same tired narratives down. 242 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: Your throat every day. 243 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 8: Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest 244 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 8: sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at 245 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 8: the sports book. 246 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 7: And all the best guests. 247 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 8: Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight Fire with 248 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 8: Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 249 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 8: you get your podcasts. 250 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: That's The Herd. In for Colin. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Welcome, Welcome, 251 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: Welcome in Hope. You had a great Thanksgiving, heelpe, you 252 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: just had a wonderful Thanksgiving. This is the first time 253 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: I've had all three of my kids in Green Bay 254 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: with me and It's pretty cool, all right, just so different. 255 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: I've had each of them, have been spend plenty of 256 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: time here in the past, but having them all kind 257 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: of with me and experiencing being a kid of a 258 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 2: coach and having them buy a practice and having them 259 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: with my team fascinating. Hope you got a chance to 260 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: catch up with family. Hope you got a chance to 261 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: have a good meal and watch them football. We'll talk 262 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: about sports for the next two hours. We do have 263 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: Sean Merriman up coming this hour lights out well. Jonas 264 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: will get his thoughts on what that's wrong with Lamar Jackson. 265 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: I'll give my own thoughts on what's wrong with Lamar 266 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: Jackson upcoming, but let's talk about the other side of that. 267 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: The Bengals took down the Ravens late last night and 268 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: we praised Joe Burrow for his play, but more than 269 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: anything for just playing right. Here's Joe Burrow on his 270 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: playing for the first time since week two. 271 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 9: It had to knock some rust off there in the 272 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 9: first half, so I expect myself to play better, but 273 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 9: it was great to be back out there. I was, 274 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 9: you know, a lot of emotions running through it. 275 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: At the end of the game. 276 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 9: So it's just good to be back with the guy. 277 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 9: You know, anytime you can get a big win like this, 278 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 9: it's it's exciting. And guys work really hard for this. 279 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 9: You know, we are where we're at with our record, 280 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 9: but guys work really hard to go out and put 281 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 9: put on good performances on Sunday. 282 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 4: So when you're able to do that, it feels good. 283 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: It should feel good. It should feel good, and you 284 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: feel good about him being rewarded for playing when you 285 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: know plenty of people in society would give him an 286 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: out for not playing. Ah, you're not gonna make the playoffs. 287 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: They can't ever protect You're always getting hurt. Why why 288 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: would you even play? And when your coaches you know, 289 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: what it says to me is is two things. One, 290 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: I mean, Joe Burrow is a guy that's true leadership. Right, 291 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: anyone can play when you're in the playoffs or you're 292 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: fighting to one game, to be like, who doesn't want 293 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: to play? Then? But you make all that money as 294 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: a quarterback to lead your team and to play hard 295 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: when you don't have to play hard, or to play 296 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: when you don't have to play. I'll give you the 297 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: sports radio analogy Jase, do you know this to be true? 298 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: You know, at some people have told me before, like 299 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: morning shows are pretty well compensated. Right in local radio, 300 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: it's always been morning and afternoon drive. And they'll tell 301 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: you like a morning show isn't You're not getting paid 302 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: necessarily for talking on the radio. You're getting paid to 303 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: show up every day when people want to sleep in, 304 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: but on at six you got to be there, you know, 305 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: no later than five, five fifteen. And that means you 306 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: got to lock in and get up at four and 307 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: be alert and aware and awake and after it. They 308 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 2: don't pay to do the show, They pay to get 309 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: up well. The same as true at quarterback. You're not 310 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: just getting paid to throw touchdown passes at the end 311 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: of games. You're getting paid for everything, every practice, every game, 312 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: anytime you're available. That's what true leadership is. And it's weird, 313 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: like we've gotten to this place to where Joe Burrow 314 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: playing when he's healthy enough to play is somehow heroic 315 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: when it should be what he's supposed to do. He 316 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: even sounded like he felt that way, didn't he And 317 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: this is more of an us problem than a him problem. 318 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 2: It's like that Chris rock Line. Remember Chris rock This 319 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: is like four or five comedy specials ago when he 320 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: talked about you know guys bragging about taking care of that. 321 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: I take care of my kids. Well, that's what you're 322 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: supposed to do. I play. I'm playing this weekend. Well 323 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: that's what you're supposed to do if you're Joe Burrow. 324 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: The other part to it is that it shows you 325 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: that he wants Zach Taylor to be his head coach. 326 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: That's what shows me, because if you don't want that 327 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: guy to be your head coach, you don't play. And 328 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: the likelihood of them losing and have a terrible record 329 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: is greater, and the boors the record, the more likely 330 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: they're going to replace the coach. It's not a Jimmy Chitwood, 331 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: but it's close to, and for people who don't know 332 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: the Jimmy Chitwood reference, it goes back to the movie Hoosiers. 333 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: Gene Hackman's character is under pressure. He's a new coach, 334 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: he's from outside of this small town. The townspeople want 335 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: to get rid of him. They've already voted to get 336 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: rid of him, and that's when the star player, who 337 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: had not yet been playing, comes in and says it's 338 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: time that I start playing ball. Everybody cheers, and he says, hey, 339 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: one more thing, coach goes, I go, coach days I play. 340 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: That's the Jimmy Chipwood. And when you're the best player 341 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: in the highest paid player. When he's playing, and he 342 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to, he wants to, it shows he 343 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: wants Zach Taylors a head coach. One Zach Taylors head coach. 344 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: So I mean, I think I think both of those 345 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: things are absolutely true. That he is one. I mean, 346 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: that's a the football player. Football players play football. It's 347 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: kind of a matter of fact to it. And he was. 348 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: And I'll give you one more thing than it does. 349 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: You know, there's there's lots to talk about us. We 350 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: make the MVP a quarterback award, will make the Heisman 351 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: Trophy a quarterback award, when reality of it is nothing 352 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: says that quarterback is the most important position in the league. 353 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 2: Like Joe Burrow who didn't play great, but simply his presence, 354 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 2: his demeanor, his abilities. Jamar Chase has been great. Jamar 355 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: Chase is great. I think Jamar Chase is the best 356 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: wide receieve in the league. And I don't know if 357 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: there's a close second. But Jamar Chase can be great 358 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: and they can still not win. Joe Burrow can be 359 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: good upgrade over older Joe Flacco and they can still win. 360 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: Can't say that Jamar Chase quarterback just a more impactful, 361 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: more powerful And I'm not telling you anything they didn't know, 362 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: but we do at some point get in the denial 363 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: phase of well, we're overvaluing quarterbacks. No we're not. It 364 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 2: literally is that important. And in order to be a 365 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 2: leader as a quarterback, these are the things that some 366 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: people don't get. To be a leader, you have to 367 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: play in that game to be a real leader. You know. 368 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: That's the thing with I'll give you one Newton, right 369 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: Cam Newton famously in the Super Bowl ball was on 370 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: the on the ground, they're they're down six, and he 371 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 2: doesn't dive on it. And after the game he was 372 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: he was eviscerated by the press, rightfully so, because he said, 373 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: I can't I can't go get that ball. I gotta 374 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: worry about my legs, my knees. In other words, his legs, 375 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: his knees are more important than his team and the 376 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Same thing goes for for Cam Newton what 377 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: he said recently, which is you know on ESPN. On 378 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: ESPN he said, or maybe it was on a was 379 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: on a podcast Chase too, where he said personal success 380 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: is more important because you make more money based upon os. Yeah, 381 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: hey it. Personal success is more important than than team's 382 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: success because that's how you get paid. That's how everyone 383 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: knows you're not really a leader when you're about yourself 384 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: more than everybody else and more than winning. Everybody sees 385 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: through that. Real leadership, the real stuff is what Joe 386 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 2: Burrow's doing. Is what Joe Burrow's doing. You know, I've 387 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 2: said this honestly about about Mike Trout, like in many 388 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: ways more impressed over the years for him going to 389 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: work with the Angels when they had no hope of 390 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: the playoffs. Then you would have Mookie Betts who knows 391 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: he's gonna be in the playoffs every year. That's way easier. 392 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: Here's Cam Newton, like a week and a half ago 393 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: on ESPN. 394 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 10: Would you rather being a spot where you can individually achieve, 395 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 10: have success, have statistics and lose or would you want 396 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 10: to be someone that contributes to a team that can win. 397 00:22:59,160 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: A Super Bowl? 398 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: And I'm glad you asked that. 399 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 11: When you're talking about individual play, this is how I 400 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 11: this is how I take care of my family. 401 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: Team success don't take care of my family. So if 402 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it from a personal standpoint, of course, 403 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: we want the best of both worlds. 404 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 11: But if you're asking me, what gives you extensions, what 405 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 11: gives you top tier money, what gives you certain things, 406 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 11: there's some more players that have rings, championships and things. 407 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: That are struggling rather than so quote unquote. 408 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 11: Bus that has had money and they're doing right by 409 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 11: their money. 410 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's not true. That's actually the opposite of 411 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: what the truth is. But it also shows that Cam 412 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: Newton is about Cam Newton, which again you're allowed to be. 413 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: It just doesn't make you a leader of my team 414 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: or most teams or quarterback. And I'm not making Joe 415 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: Burrow owed to be a hero. I think that's the 416 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: crazy thing about our society is we've gotten into this 417 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: whole idea of hey, you only have to play when 418 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 2: the playoffs are on the line, Like why, huh? Doesn't 419 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: work that way? Not the way it works in radio. 420 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: We don't pay it to do the radio. I pay 421 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: to show up on time. Every day. In being a quarterback, 422 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: you can't just lead when it's convenient for you to lead. 423 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: And if you're about yourself, that's not leadership. That's not leadership. 424 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: Every guy hits that moment you feel it less drive, 425 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: less fire. I don't accept it. I fight back with 426 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 2: M drive built on real science, use Collins exclusive Black 427 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 2: Friday Code heard thirty five for thirty five percent off 428 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: at mdrive dot com. Mdrivefromend dot com. Jay stew I 429 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: told you last week earlier this week again, I get 430 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: my I've been try traveling so much as you know, 431 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 2: like I'm I know it's Friday only because yesterday was 432 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving which is on Thursday. But you love to make 433 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: fun of gen Z. I kind of think this is 434 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 2: a gen X thing, right, because our generation constantly makes 435 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 2: fun of gen Z for only working when they want 436 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: to work. But our generation came up with many of 437 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: these ideas, especially in sports, of load management, to guys 438 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 2: missing games because they weren't going to play for a 439 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 2: championship or weren't going to play for the playoffs. And 440 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 2: you know, we're hypocrites for now champion a guy for 441 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: doing something that we called him stupid for doing in 442 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: our own right. 443 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 5: In my take on gen Z has everything to do 444 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 5: with you and me, we as parents, our generation as 445 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 5: parents has made gen Z into the most entitled generation 446 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 5: of all time, the generation that doesn't want to stay 447 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 5: in one job, that seems to think that that work 448 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 5: needs to be fun and you need to make friends 449 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 5: or else it's not a job. All these things are true, 450 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 5: but you're right, they're our fault. And the current system 451 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 5: in place right now for sports was created by coaches 452 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 5: of our generation. Whether so the whole load management thing. 453 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 5: That's why this is an interesting, like human experiment, especially 454 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 5: on how sports are covered, because you know this week 455 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 5: that there were people who have been crying about load 456 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 5: management for many years who also said, why are the 457 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 5: Bengals playing Joe Burrow? Why put them in that place? 458 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 5: And there's a huge contradiction there. 459 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: Totally agree, Totally agree, And it's the weirdest thing. It's 460 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: the it's literally the same people, the same people. 461 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 7: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 462 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 7: in noon East. They're not a Empacific Doug Gall. 463 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: Even for Colin. It's the Herd. You're on Fox Sports 464 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: Trade on the iHeartRadio app, broadcasting from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Most, 465 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 2: mostly in the Midwest, know that it's coming. We got 466 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: a little dust in the other day, but it's it's coming. 467 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: It's coming tomorrow, first first snowstorm of the season. Mark 468 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: Dominic doesn't have these problems, right, I mean, he he 469 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 2: picked an organization in Tampa. He's a Florida guy, Florida, California. 470 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: People like, I don't know what you're talking about. How 471 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: you talking about former gentle manager of the tamp Bay Buccaneers. 472 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: Of course, spent his entire professional life in the National 473 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 2: Football League and he joins us now in the herd 474 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. How were we so wrong about 475 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: the Cowboys? Mark? 476 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent. It's been 477 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 4: hard to understand what team we're going to see each week. 478 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 4: And yesterday we saw that the offense continues to shine 479 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 4: under Brian Schottenheimer and what Dak Prescott was able to do, 480 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 4: and it certainly George Dickens made a lot of great plays, 481 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 4: so along with Ferguson and so the Cowboys have found 482 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 4: a way to be, you know, just frustratingly inconsistent, but 483 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 4: yet still have a shot and a path to the 484 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 4: postseason somehow. 485 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 2: Okay, what about the Chiefs. You know, it's like you 486 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: go back about a month ago, You're like, all right, 487 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: here they come and here they sit. You know, it's 488 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: it's I mean, I look, my faith remains in Andy 489 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: Reid and Pat Mahomes, but heck dayed loss coming out 490 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: of a bye, which you know does have more in 491 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 2: Kansasity than in Philadelphia, but rarely happens. And you look, 492 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: the Broncos and Bills are good teams. The culture good teams. 493 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: So some of its schedule, but some of it is 494 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: they're just what's missing there? 495 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 4: Well, I think two things. I think Number one, you know, 496 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 4: we saw sadly Josh Simmons looks like he might be 497 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 4: done for the year. You know, John Taylor's they're going 498 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 4: with their second or third and fourth offensive tackles. And 499 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 4: in Kansas City, we've seen it over and over again. 500 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 4: When that offensive line starts to get to play, they 501 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: can't win. And that's where they sit right now, is 502 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 4: they just can't keep as much as Patrick was, you know, 503 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 4: throwing the ball well and obviously it touched down yesterday. 504 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 4: That I'm that offensive lines in shambles right now. And 505 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 4: that's that's the demise of the Chiefs and why they 506 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 4: won't make the postseason. Even with a couple of teams, 507 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 4: I think they can win. The other part of the 508 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 4: Chiefs that you see when you watch them play is 509 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 4: they're not fast. Defensively, they're strong, they're powerful, but they're 510 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 4: not fast. And to me that shows up as well. 511 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: You know what that reminds me of. It reminds me 512 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: of the end of the Patriots run, right, I mean 513 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: when when the downfall of the Patriots. Obviously when Brady left, 514 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: they didn't have a quarterback, but even prior to that, 515 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: people like yourself, NFL people all said that the Patriots 516 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: they just weren't fast, they weren't flying around anymore. How 517 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: hard is that to fix? Can you fix that in 518 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: one offseason? 519 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 4: I think you can. I mean again, you're going to 520 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 4: you know, decide what you want to do for Ancy, 521 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 4: but the draft is going to be a piece where 522 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 4: you can absolutely add some speed and get to you know, 523 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 4: maybe a linebacker. They need a speed rush edge is 524 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 4: what they really need to need. Somebody that can come 525 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 4: off the edge. I can just you know, win the fastball, 526 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 4: and that's what they don't have. To me consistently at all. 527 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 4: And so I think you're gonna have to look to 528 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 4: the draft, you know, and then say first or second round. 529 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 4: That's where I think the Chiefs have to pinpoint somebody 530 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 4: that can get the edge and can win with a 531 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 4: fastball and hopefully develop an other rush move. The kids 532 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 4: seems can be in a weird spot. I mean, I 533 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 4: don't again, I don't think they're going to make the 534 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 4: postseason just because I don't. I think Jacksonville has too 535 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 4: many wins that are still on the board Buffalo can 536 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 4: you know, and so somebody's going to win you know, 537 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 4: the North somehow. But I just don't think kids that 538 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 4: you can put enough w's on the board now to 539 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 4: get to the postseason. So they'll be picking you know, 540 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 4: top twenty, which they haven't done in a long long time. 541 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: Okay, we go from met Lafleur a couple of weeks ago. 542 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: I go to the Eagles game and super super conservative 543 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: and you and I have talked about it on my 544 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: show where I'm like, well, yeah, you lose Tucker to 545 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: you know, Tucker Craft, and you lose your left tackle 546 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: and the Eagles obviously have an unbelievable pass rush as 547 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: we saw against the Lions, and so maybe that's the 548 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: reason they were so concerned. You go from that to 549 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: what we saw from the Floor over the past two weeks, 550 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: especially yesterday, What why has his play calling been so different? 551 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 4: In your opinion, he's been more aggressive. I think he's 552 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 4: kind of said, hey, look it is what it is 553 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 4: we're going to and I think he feels Jordan Love 554 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 4: when Jordan's kind of in the zone. I think he 555 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 4: calls the game based off out Jordan's playing And yesterday 556 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 4: Jordan was making throws and you know, you got to 557 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 4: give La Floor a ton of credit that fourth down 558 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 4: call to go to throw the ball up to Wix 559 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 4: and Wix makes the catch to you know, basically hid 560 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 4: the game. Kill the clock. That's a huge decision where 561 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 4: they're sitting on the field knowing you can bax them 562 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 4: up all the way to probably the top, you know, 563 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 4: inside the ten and make them drive the link of 564 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 4: the field. Instead, he says, I'm going to win the 565 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 4: game right here, and Jordan Love makes suffrow. But I 566 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 4: think the Floor is feeding off of where Jordan Love's 567 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 4: confidence is, and you're seeing him be more aggressive with 568 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 4: the play call because of it. 569 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 2: Got Laiben for Collins to hurt. Fox Sports Radio, iHeart 570 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: Radio app. You and I have also discussed that as 571 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: a as a play caller, Dan Campbell feels like he 572 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: calls plays, but he's not an offensive coordinator. Right, this 573 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: is a play here, at play there, it's not as smooth, 574 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: doesn't have the same rhythm. What did you think of yesterday? 575 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. Like, you know, 576 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 4: it's you know, the one thing about Jared Goffin and 577 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 4: maybe the entire offense is having you know, it's interesting 578 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 4: you think about it from the defensive standpoint. For an 579 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 4: offensive standpoint, right, the offensive coordinators like three and out 580 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 4: didn't work out, We'll just punt. The defensive coordinator sits 581 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 4: there and goes, hey, three and and it didn't work. 582 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 4: It's well, they just scored a touchdown. It's just a 583 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 4: completely different way to look for the game, right. I 584 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 4: think if you think of it home, you're like, yeah, 585 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 4: I've never thought of it that way, like an offensive 586 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 4: quarteror like if it doesn't work out, he just pumped 587 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 4: the ball and try again. It doesn't work out. On defense, 588 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 4: you're in trouble. And so that's what makes it hard. 589 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 4: And I also think to your point, Doug's like, you 590 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 4: want to find the rhythm with your quarterback where you're feeling, 591 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 4: like we just talked about with the floor, feeling the 592 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 4: emotions of game, or feeling the offensive guy that he 593 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 4: spends the entire time on. You know that this is 594 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 4: what I feel like is the right direction. Detroit misses 595 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 4: that a little bit. Certainly, Ben Johnson's done a great 596 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 4: job in Chicago put the Bears where they are, but 597 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 4: this is the coordinator that they desperately lost and desperately miss. 598 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the night gap. Let's start of 599 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,479 Speaker 2: the negative. What's wrong with Lamar Jackson? 600 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I feel like he's just missing grows 601 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 4: and I know that we're all watching it unfold, but 602 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 4: just the lack of like the locked in or the 603 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 4: decision making, and he just looked like he was, you know, 604 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 4: rushing himself and then quickly explicting the fallout and trying 605 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 4: to make him play, and just it's affected his accuracy. 606 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 4: And I don't think it was the weather at all. 607 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 4: This has been something we see with Lamar. It's not 608 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 4: processing very well for him, and therefore you know he's 609 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 4: looking at parent, and then his accuracy's really off, almost 610 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 4: back to like his rookie campaign kind of a feeling 611 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 4: where like, what's going on with this guy? So I 612 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 4: don't have a great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels 613 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 4: like he's regressed based off what he's been able to 614 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 4: do in the past, but I would say that the 615 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 4: main thing is that I did not feel like he's 616 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 4: rushing as you're watching on the field, like he's like 617 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 4: someone's in this year saying you got to make a decision, 618 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 4: hurry up, make a decision. And because of that, I 619 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 4: think he's throwing the ball, you know, early, and it's 620 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 4: throwing off his accuracy. 621 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they 622 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 2: thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense, 623 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: and my thought was, like he won MVP with that offense. 624 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: I don't I don't think that's what it was. But 625 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 2: you know, you're bringing Monk in and it's a passing 626 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 2: based offense. He still runs, but it's more, Hey, now 627 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: he's been the league. Now he's a better Now he's 628 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: a better passer, not just a thrower. And I again, 629 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: and their defense isn't you know when they were when 630 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: they were failing in the playoffs. Previously, the defense was 631 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 2: awesome and the offense, you know, was allowed to to 632 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: just run the football and to be conservative occasionally take 633 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 2: a shot. Is it too much for him to carry 634 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: the team as a passer. 635 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 4: It feels like it right now, right I mean, Mike 636 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 4: McDonald obtis is a great defensive coardter that has done 637 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 4: a great job as the head coach down Seattle and 638 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 4: getting them in position of the postseason, and they missed 639 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 4: that he was, you know, he's brilliantly smart, and so 640 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 4: they missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe 641 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 4: the town's not to the level, and seeing the Ravens before, 642 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 4: but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The 643 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 4: frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and 644 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 4: I'm sure Ravens says they could have run the ball 645 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 4: last night like they were running the ball perfectly fine, 646 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 4: they just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if 647 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 4: they can just find a way to get back to 648 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 4: Derrick Henry and giving him the ball twenty plus times 649 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 4: a game, I think that even if they fall behind 650 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 4: ten or twelve or thirteen points, I think you still 651 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 4: want to focus on Derrick Henry getting the ball, because that, 652 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 4: to me is your ticket to finding a way to 653 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 4: still win the North, which again is wide open and 654 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 4: even the Bengals, as hard as it's to imagine, and 655 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 4: so late, you're only a few games out now, you know, 656 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 4: and I know we don't have a lot of games left, 657 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 4: but you know it might be nine and eight or 658 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 4: eight and nine could win that division, which before the 659 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 4: season started, Doug, I would have never dreamt that with 660 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 4: those three teams Pittsburgh obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati, I would 661 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 4: have never dreamt it would have been that kind of 662 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 4: an outcome of where the seasons ended up. 663 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 2: Right now, I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a 664 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 2: football fan. You love what Joe Burrows said. And here's 665 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: here's kind of my takeaway. Mark, just stick with me. 666 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 2: Let me kind of explain it. Were so critical of 667 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 2: athletes when it's load management or when they shut it down, 668 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 2: you know, late in the college football season, late in 669 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 2: the NFL season, and yet our generation, you and I 670 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 2: were kind of the ones that came up with this 671 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 2: idea of load management or protecting the asset that that 672 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 2: is the player in college in the pros or whatever. 673 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 2: So if anything, we got to be self critical and 674 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 2: understand that, you know, gen X is being critical of 675 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: gen Z for an idea for an idea and a 676 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: plan that is really a gen X plan. That being 677 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: that being said, what does it say What does Joe 678 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 2: Burrow playing despite the very very slight chance of making 679 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 2: the playoffs say about Burrow and and how we view him. 680 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you I'm sure as we watched 681 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 4: the game last night, we saw the injury history of 682 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 4: Joe Burrow and it's it's something that I've talked about 683 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 4: multiple times over the years that that's just a sad 684 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 4: fact of his career, whether it was in college or 685 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 4: now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot. 686 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 4: And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that 687 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 4: he can be out there with the guys and he 688 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 4: understands every year can be magical and special and you 689 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 4: just don't know how it's longer you get to play 690 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 4: this game. It can be taken away from you in 691 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 4: a blink. And so I love that that he decided 692 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 4: that he wanted to be out there. And I think 693 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 4: it also because the Bengals were mathematically still alive that 694 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 4: you put him back out there and say, hey, well 695 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 4: look let's let's see what we can do and see 696 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 4: what we're kind of spark we can give the team. 697 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 4: And even though we started a little slow, he's certainly 698 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 4: you know, sped up and really kind of you know, 699 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 4: looked like the Joe Burrow that you know, could have 700 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 4: been the team that you know, when is it vision, 701 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 4: we'll see. I mean again, we've got only a few 702 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 4: We got enough games left where you could say, yeah, 703 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 4: it would be bizarre, but you know, they play each other, 704 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 4: they've got to play with the opponents. You know, nothing's 705 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 4: going apart for any team right now in the North. 706 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 4: It's a stretch. But it was fun to watch him 707 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 4: be out there and show that, you know, as a leader, 708 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 4: he's gonna if he can be there, he'll be there. 709 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 2: Okay, help me out, I need the absolute neutral former 710 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 2: general manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shudor Sanders. 711 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 2: How did he play in his first week as a starter. 712 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 4: Uh? You know, I you know you got to give 713 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 4: him credit for at least you know, I know, you 714 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 4: make the half back pass and you know you got 715 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 4: to let the running back. You know, scamper's in for 716 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 4: a long touchdown and so he gets the stats to that, 717 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 4: but he still has to get the balls hand up 718 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 4: in the right spot. You know, he made the one 719 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 4: throw down the field, but overall, I still felt like 720 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 4: the game was uber fast for him. I don't feel 721 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 4: like if and I wouldn't have him the start of 722 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 4: this week, I would, I would have then get three 723 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 4: or four starts unless he failed desperately or terribly. I 724 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 4: should say, you know, I would go ahead and get 725 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 4: a sense because really, where the Browns sit as an 726 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 4: organization is who's the number two. It's only going to 727 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 4: be the number two. Is shuduor good enough to be 728 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 4: a number two? Let's figure that out because there's really 729 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 4: no number one on this roster. I don't think it's 730 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 4: either one of these guys based off of what I've 731 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,280 Speaker 4: seen from both of them this year. But I would 732 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 4: like to see more should do. But I don't think 733 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 4: it's going to get better, honestly, Doug, I just I'm 734 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 4: not a hater on Shaduur or anything like that. I 735 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 4: just feel like the processing's too fast for him, and 736 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 4: he doesn't process it fast enough, and like what he 737 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 4: was able to do in Colorado where the system was 738 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 4: really quick, we can get the ball out. Now things 739 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 4: are everything's moving so much faster. I think it's hard 740 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 4: for him. 741 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 2: Is that something that improves with experience? 742 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 4: Usually it can because the games that quote unquote slows 743 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 4: down for young players. But to me, the style of play, 744 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 4: this is why should do Or dropped because a lot 745 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 4: of people worried about the system he played in Colorado 746 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 4: that was so quarterback friendly for him specifically, that can 747 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 4: that translate over so a lot of people like I 748 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 4: don't know why, you know, I thought he was a 749 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 4: first round pick. Well, a lot of scouts went in there, 750 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 4: though you know, I don't know about this office is 751 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 4: what we're going to run the NFL, and so therefore 752 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 4: do I feel like he's got the same tools I 753 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 4: can get him to where he needs to go to 754 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 4: the next level. And a lot of clips that I 755 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 4: don't think so, you know, and obviously the other things 756 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 4: around you to here. He's tried to handle those the 757 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 4: best he can. But I think when you watch it, yes, 758 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 4: you're supposed to give him more time, but to me, 759 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 4: I still think you're going to see a lot of 760 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 4: interceptions over the next couple of weeks. 761 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 2: Okay, same question with JJ McCarthy. 762 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 4: I think it's fair, and I think the same thing 763 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 4: is very frustrating for JJ also is that you feel 764 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 4: like he should be able to do it and be 765 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 4: more of a consistent player, you know, one through four quarters, 766 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 4: and not be spurty. And I think that the same 767 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 4: thing though, is no matter what I played JJ the 768 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 4: rest of the year, as long as he can be 769 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 4: on the football field to find out exactly what I have. 770 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 4: But I got to understand that as an organization, I 771 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 4: don't have to be married to him. As much as 772 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 4: that sounds crazy, He's only two years in and this 773 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 4: is really only his first year. You know. The one 774 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 4: mistake you can do is say, well, we'll just give 775 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 4: him one more year too. We can get just figured 776 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 4: out if the Vikings are in a position where they 777 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 4: could draft another quarterback and say, hey, look we're to 778 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 4: make a competition, but we've got to find that guy. 779 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 4: That's what you have to do, because in the end, 780 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 4: we all know that that's really what matters the most, 781 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 4: is who's pulling the trigger on your football team at 782 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 4: that position. If that need, you have to go back 783 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 4: to the well again. Go back to the well. Look 784 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 4: at Chris Ballard. He's done it basically every year as 785 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 4: a coach GM. He's had a different starter out there 786 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 4: and now he may have found the right one at 787 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones for a while. 788 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 2: Mark, you're the best man. I love your analysis, obviously, 789 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 2: I respect all the experience you have and I hope 790 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 2: you had a great Thanksgiving with the family enjoyed this weekend. 791 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week on my show. In 792 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest in 793 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 2: the Herd. 794 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on. Like Happy Thanksgiving brother, you too. 795 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 2: Mark Domini joins us on the Doug Gottlieb on seeing 796 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 2: me on the Herd. Doug Gottliefillion for Colin