WEBVTT - Ep 47: Courtney Barnett

0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.

0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Evening listeners, Welcome to this new episode of Midnight Chats.

0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Before we start, let it be known that it is

0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.680
<v Speaker 2>tough being on the cutting edge of hard hitting journalism

0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.239
<v Speaker 2>here every fortnight doing our podcast. It really is. The

0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.040
<v Speaker 2>conversation you're about to hear starts with a discussion about

0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.600
<v Speaker 2>when it's okay to throw a snowball at a child

0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.200
<v Speaker 2>who's thrown at you, and ends with some powerful chat

0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:56.480
<v Speaker 2>about vegetables that look like evil cartoon characters. So we

0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.480
<v Speaker 2>have gone for the big serious stuff this time, and

0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.520
<v Speaker 2>more of that in a sec. Thank you for downloading

0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.400
<v Speaker 2>or streaming this new episode of Midnight Chats. Last time out,

0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Stuart was chatting to Old Jay. Do check that episode

0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.280
<v Speaker 2>out if you haven't already. I'll be honest. They were

0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot funnier than I was expecting. Really really enjoyed it,

0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.160
<v Speaker 2>and they sounded like good company. If you're one of

0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.119
<v Speaker 2>the hardcore that have been with us since the early

0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:26.399
<v Speaker 2>days of Midnight Chats, first off, thanks very much, but

0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.720
<v Speaker 2>also sorry because you might have heard this before. We

0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.280
<v Speaker 2>have had some new subscribers recently, so I did want

0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.320
<v Speaker 2>to quickly just explain what it is we do here

0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.560
<v Speaker 2>on our podcast, it's Midnight Chats. We're mak a new

0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.640
<v Speaker 2>one every fortnight. They go up on a Thursday at midnight,

0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.640
<v Speaker 2>and our guests are musicians. We like musicians we think

0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.600
<v Speaker 2>are interesting in conversation that has a late night feel.

0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I host them, I'm Greg and sometimes it's Stuart,

0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.760
<v Speaker 2>my colleague, and yeah, that's it in a nutshell. We

0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.280
<v Speaker 2>also make a magazine here where we're based in London

0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.440
<v Speaker 2>that comes out every month, and in fact we've just

0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.520
<v Speaker 2>put out a new issue and Serpent with Feet is

0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.640
<v Speaker 2>on the cover if you're listening to this in the UK.

0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:16.000
<v Speaker 2>We have also just launched a new subscriber offer for

0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.720
<v Speaker 2>the magazine where you can gift a mate three issues

0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.000
<v Speaker 2>for free for nothing, which we think is a pretty

0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.880
<v Speaker 2>good deal. If that sounds like quite a good deal

0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.000
<v Speaker 2>to you, there is loads of information on a website

0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.160
<v Speaker 2>about it. That's where you can sort it out. It's

0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Loud and Quiet dot com slash subscribe, that's the place

0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.440
<v Speaker 2>to go for that. Okay, that's the sales. Pitch over

0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:43.600
<v Speaker 2>and onto. My guest on tonight's podcast, Courtney Barnett, dropped

0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.600
<v Speaker 2>by our offices in East London to record this conversation.

0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.760
<v Speaker 2>It was at the beginning of March, which is a

0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.200
<v Speaker 2>while ago now. She was on tour playing in her

0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.399
<v Speaker 2>partner Jen Kloer's live band. It was really cold that day,

0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I think, perhaps even as cold as minus twelve or

0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.800
<v Speaker 2>something like that. Anyway, there was four or five six

0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.240
<v Speaker 2>inches of snow in London. The schools were closed. It

0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:14.800
<v Speaker 2>was quiet, it was empty. There were mostly people skiving

0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.600
<v Speaker 2>off work, pretending that they couldn't get there, that kind

0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.080
<v Speaker 2>of thing. But we were chatting because Courtney has a

0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.280
<v Speaker 2>new album out. It's called Tell Me How You Really Feel,

0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be released in the middle of

0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.160
<v Speaker 2>May as the follow up to the Australian's very successful

0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.000
<v Speaker 2>debut Sometimes I Sit and think and sometimes I just sit.

0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.720
<v Speaker 2>That was an album that saw her nominated at the

0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Grammys at the Brits. She toured all over the place

0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.440
<v Speaker 2>and it threw her into a world that I get

0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:49.200
<v Speaker 2>the impression she definitely wasn't expecting but deserves. Nonetheless, Anyway,

0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Courtney was lovely and the conversation you're about to hear

0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of goes all over the place. There's some stuff

0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:02.720
<v Speaker 2>about Courtney's needy and angry but lovely sounding cat bubbles.

0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.880
<v Speaker 2>We talked about going to the cinema and where the

0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.000
<v Speaker 2>best place is to sit and whether you should make

0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.520
<v Speaker 2>any noise with the snacks that you take to the cinema.

0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.360
<v Speaker 2>The Breeders come up because Kim and Kelly Dial from

0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.200
<v Speaker 2>The Breeders, who Courty's a huge fan of, appear on

0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.400
<v Speaker 2>her new album The Typewriter that Courtney wrote some of

0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.719
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics on for this new album. And also we

0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.719
<v Speaker 2>finished things off by talking about Roast Dinners because the

0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.640
<v Speaker 2>final track on the album is about roast Dinners. One

0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.000
<v Speaker 2>final thing this will only make sense if you get

0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.840
<v Speaker 2>to the end of the podcast, which I hope you do,

0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:40.679
<v Speaker 2>But the evil cauliflower that Courtney is describing is actually

0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:45.880
<v Speaker 2>a lime green Romanesque broccoli cauliflower. Now, if you've never

0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.960
<v Speaker 2>heard of that before, I hadn't google it, and it

0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.680
<v Speaker 2>will make sense because it does look very evil. So

0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.200
<v Speaker 2>listen to this podcast and then feel free to search

0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.440
<v Speaker 2>for some evil looking vegetables. That's exactly what I did,

0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.400
<v Speaker 2>So there you go. Enjoy we episode forty seven of

0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Midnight Chats with Courtney Barnett and we'll see you next time.

0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I've just checked and it's twenty six degrees in Melbourne today.

0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh toasty. Right here in London as we sit down

0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.960
<v Speaker 2>to record this, it is something like minus five I

0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.640
<v Speaker 2>heard on the news. I'm guessing you've never seen London

0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:37.360
<v Speaker 2>like this before.

0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.279
<v Speaker 3>No, I've seen a bit of snow kind of maybe

0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.080
<v Speaker 3>in Chicago when I've been there, but I think I

0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.800
<v Speaker 3>think this is the most the most I've ever kind

0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.440
<v Speaker 3>of been a part of. So it's it's quite exciting

0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:50.760
<v Speaker 3>for me.

0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Presumably you didn't get a lot of snow in Melbourne

0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.800
<v Speaker 2>or Sydney growing up, so is it still got like

0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.400
<v Speaker 2>a charm factor? Do you think, oh snow, that's nice?

0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh snow? Is it pain?

0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:02.720
<v Speaker 4>No, it's so romantic.

0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we've got a bit of snow like you know,

0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.240
<v Speaker 3>up in the mountains, but it wouldn't snow in the

0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.760
<v Speaker 3>in the city, in the city, so it's like the

0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:11.800
<v Speaker 3>movies out there.

0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Did you have to go on like a family

0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.440
<v Speaker 2>holiday or a school trip or something to actually go

0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.359
<v Speaker 2>and see some snow going up in Australia?

0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I remember I lived in so Yeah, I grew

0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.279
<v Speaker 3>up in Sydney and I remember we went on a

0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:31.280
<v Speaker 3>school trip to Canberra, like where Parliament is. It's between

0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.080
<v Speaker 3>Melbourne and Sydney, but closer to Sydney. So they couldn't

0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.720
<v Speaker 3>choose where to make Australia's capital, so they made this

0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:43.320
<v Speaker 3>little make belief place. It's called the Act. So yeah,

0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.280
<v Speaker 3>I saw a bit of snow there. But actually there

0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:50.400
<v Speaker 3>was this weird when I was eighteen, Oh yeah, eighteen,

0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.640
<v Speaker 3>I got you know, glandular fever, like so I was

0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.120
<v Speaker 3>I was home from school for like a week, and

0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.760
<v Speaker 3>which I was upset about because I loved school.

0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.000
<v Speaker 4>Nerd and this is.

0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:08.040
<v Speaker 3>In tazzy and I was sleeping on the couch that's

0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.440
<v Speaker 3>like the pull out couch in the launde room, and

0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.800
<v Speaker 3>I woke up one morning I was really sick and fevery,

0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.120
<v Speaker 3>and I woke up and it was snowing everywhere, and

0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.280
<v Speaker 3>that never happens there, Like we've got Mount Wellington where

0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.560
<v Speaker 3>it snows, but it wouldn't snow at like you know,

0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.000
<v Speaker 3>ground level, and it was really beautiful. I've never forgotten

0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.520
<v Speaker 3>this because then my mum came up and was like,

0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.800
<v Speaker 3>good morning, and she was like, I've got some sad

0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.880
<v Speaker 3>news to tell you. Your your grandfather passed away. Overnight

0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.520
<v Speaker 3>and I was like really sad, but it was this

0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:45.920
<v Speaker 3>really beautiful, weird moment, like of something so surreal, and

0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.800
<v Speaker 3>I've never forgotten it. I always think about it now

0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.000
<v Speaker 3>when it snows. So anyway, there's a little side note,

0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:52.840
<v Speaker 3>side story.

0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.680
<v Speaker 2>If you had a snowball fight today not today, have

0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:58.520
<v Speaker 2>happened before?

0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, differentely when we probably as a band on tour

0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.239
<v Speaker 3>getting over excited with the snow.

0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.520
<v Speaker 2>The reason I asked because this morning I woke up

0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and where my flat is, there's like a little car

0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:13.760
<v Speaker 2>park and it was full of snow and it's some

0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.960
<v Speaker 2>families that live next to us, and one of the

0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.120
<v Speaker 2>children of the families threw a snowball at me and

0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.840
<v Speaker 2>he's about six years old. And I didn't really know

0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.960
<v Speaker 2>what the etiquette was with that. But do you throw

0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.480
<v Speaker 2>a snowball back at a child? Like what?

0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:27.560
<v Speaker 4>What?

0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really know whether to engage in a snowball fight,

0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:36.080
<v Speaker 2>because you don't. I sort of wanted to competitive, but

0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I also didn't want to throw a snowball.

0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.160
<v Speaker 4>At a child that I don't get arrested.

0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's tricky. Don't know about the snowball etiquette.

0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. Is it nice to be back

0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.559
<v Speaker 2>in London? I mean you've spent you've been We've been

0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.920
<v Speaker 2>here on kind of various trips over the last few years.

0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.719
<v Speaker 2>So is it somewhere that you always when you look

0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.240
<v Speaker 2>at the the sort of list of places you're going

0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.120
<v Speaker 2>to be hitting up, is it always like, oh, we'll

0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:00.800
<v Speaker 2>be back in London. That'sol.

0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's you know, I guess because it's that kind

0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:09.440
<v Speaker 3>of a major, major kind of spot. We've come here definitely. Yeah,

0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:10.920
<v Speaker 3>spend a lot of time here, done a lot of

0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:15.319
<v Speaker 3>great shows, and made a handful of great friends in London,

0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.200
<v Speaker 3>and so yeah, it feels like that kind of that

0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.200
<v Speaker 3>home home spot in this area.

0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.640
<v Speaker 4>So that's always nice.

0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Right now, back home in because you're based in Melbourne.

0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.120
<v Speaker 2>When you go home, right and that's like roasting hot,

0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.920
<v Speaker 2>it's like midsummer. So how do you feel Does it

0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.200
<v Speaker 2>feel like you're kind of like depriving yourself of summer

0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.400
<v Speaker 2>right now? Or do you not mind? Is it too

0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:39.040
<v Speaker 2>hot back home?

0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:39.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.840
<v Speaker 3>When I left it was we had like forty degree days, Yeah,

0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:49.199
<v Speaker 3>which was really crazy, But that's really not that normal.

0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.280
<v Speaker 4>I think that normally in Melbourne we.

0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:58.079
<v Speaker 3>Are it's normally kind of just average. It's never crazy hot,

0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.599
<v Speaker 3>like as crazy as Sydney or Brisbane or Darwin in

0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:07.280
<v Speaker 3>it's so like tropical. But Melbourne's kind of traditionally, you know,

0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.319
<v Speaker 3>you always take a jacket with you just in case,

0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of material. So I feel like the last couple

0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.600
<v Speaker 3>of years, I've kind of chased summer around the world,

0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:22.120
<v Speaker 3>luckily doing festivals and touring, and I probably deserve a

0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:23.960
<v Speaker 3>little bit of winter.

0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I've not been to Melbourne before. I've been to Sydney

0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.640
<v Speaker 2>very briefly. But what's the perfect day back home in

0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Melbourne for you in terms of what you like to do.

0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.959
<v Speaker 3>I'm normally just hanging around home when I'm home. It's

0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.800
<v Speaker 3>a really nice little spot. And then I've got a

0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.240
<v Speaker 3>warehouse where we run Milk Records from, which is kind

0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.920
<v Speaker 3>of a five minute drive, but normally I walk and

0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.960
<v Speaker 3>it's about thirty minutes through the Mary.

0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.240
<v Speaker 4>Creek, which is really beautiful to walk along.

0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.040
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I normally kind of get up, have coffee,

0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.360
<v Speaker 3>maybe make a piece of toe with Virgie.

0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:01.439
<v Speaker 4>Might.

0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Classic so Australian, and then yeah, put headphones on and

0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:14.319
<v Speaker 3>walk over to the warehouse and listen to musical podcasts

0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:16.960
<v Speaker 3>or when I was writing, I was kind of listening

0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:21.120
<v Speaker 3>to demos and stuff like that. And then I kind

0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.000
<v Speaker 3>of work from the warehouse most days, either doing like

0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Milk Records stuff really boring kind of packing.

0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Jobs from the day to day detail of running a

0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.959
<v Speaker 2>record label. Like you just mentioned that you might be

0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.439
<v Speaker 2>stuffing envelopes with the latest releases, but you might also

0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.079
<v Speaker 2>be working on the accounts or talking to an artists

0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:41.720
<v Speaker 2>that you're about to release or something. So what are

0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.240
<v Speaker 2>the things that you love getting heavily involved with with

0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.439
<v Speaker 2>running your own record label or is it everything?

0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, now I think Jen Jen and I do, yeah,

0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.680
<v Speaker 3>a majority of the kind of admin and then we

0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:59.400
<v Speaker 3>have a couple of awesome kind of warehouse in charge

0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:04.720
<v Speaker 3>of the shop people. And yeah, Jen is better at

0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:10.040
<v Speaker 3>the kind of admin talking to artists, talking to organizing things.

0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm not the greatest at checking my emails. I've still

0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.360
<v Speaker 3>got emails from like last year that I need to

0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.840
<v Speaker 3>get back to and I always mean to, but I

0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.120
<v Speaker 3>just I'm just no good at it, so it's not

0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:26.079
<v Speaker 3>my strength. But I love, I actually really enjoy doing

0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:31.080
<v Speaker 3>the kind of boring folding T shirts and making everything

0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:37.320
<v Speaker 3>really neat and tidy and just stacking things, and so

0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.720
<v Speaker 3>Jen doesn't like that, and I do. I do like it,

0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:44.840
<v Speaker 3>and you know, stamping things and designing, designing shirts and stickers,

0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.959
<v Speaker 3>and it's so nice having that space because we can

0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.720
<v Speaker 3>just kind of it's quite multipurpose as well, like, yeah,

0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.000
<v Speaker 3>we can have rehearsals there and have little kind of

0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.360
<v Speaker 3>screenings and mini shows, and it's just really nice to

0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.640
<v Speaker 3>be able to kind of use it as a community

0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:04.320
<v Speaker 3>kind of space.

0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Did it just evolve like that? Were there places that

0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.320
<v Speaker 2>you look to that you saw were doing similar things

0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:11.520
<v Speaker 2>that influenced you?

0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.920
<v Speaker 3>I think when I first kind of had the idea,

0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.560
<v Speaker 3>which seemed quite grand and maybe a bit impossible, it

0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.280
<v Speaker 3>was along those kind of lines. And I just liked

0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.520
<v Speaker 3>the idea of doing the work and learning how to

0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.800
<v Speaker 3>do the things you didn't know so that you could

0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.520
<v Speaker 3>kind of do it yourself or get people you know,

0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:36.040
<v Speaker 3>involved to kind of share talents and just as a

0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of means, you know, of necessity of just kind

0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.280
<v Speaker 3>of not having the money to outsource like expensive more

0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.480
<v Speaker 3>expensive you know professionals, I guess, And so that's kind

0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.040
<v Speaker 3>of how it started. And then yeah, I saw I

0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:54.679
<v Speaker 3>got to go to the Nashville third Man, and it

0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.559
<v Speaker 3>was really inspiring. It was it was kind of everything

0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.880
<v Speaker 3>I'd imagined in my mind in this really cool, colorful

0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.680
<v Speaker 3>place and just really thoughtfully kind of designed and created.

0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.880
<v Speaker 4>And there's heaps of Melbourne.

0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Labels like We've got our friends run this label called

0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Poison City. It's a shop front as well in Fitzroy

0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.880
<v Speaker 3>and it's only small, but you know the kind of

0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.440
<v Speaker 3>ethics and morals behind it, and just the passion I

0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:26.560
<v Speaker 3>think is I'm always so much more attracted to that.

0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, the other kind of like not as

0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.280
<v Speaker 3>exciting side of music, of all the all the other stuff,

0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:37.520
<v Speaker 3>but the more creative side and just sharing that passion

0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.120
<v Speaker 3>with people I think is really it's just when you

0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.440
<v Speaker 3>go to those little shows and you see people just

0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.760
<v Speaker 3>over the moon with what's going on. I love I

0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.480
<v Speaker 3>love going to those to those things.

0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I think people maybe have like a really glamorous view

0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:52.680
<v Speaker 2>of what it might be like to run your own

0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.680
<v Speaker 2>record label. What are some of the most sort of menial,

0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.960
<v Speaker 2>unglamorous things that go into actually doing it.

0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Maybe that kind of stuff I was talking about before,

0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.520
<v Speaker 3>which is not like it's unglamorous, it's just yeah, maybe

0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.640
<v Speaker 3>we always have a funny idea of what the music

0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:08.440
<v Speaker 3>industry is.

0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.120
<v Speaker 4>I know I did growing up.

0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.680
<v Speaker 3>It was a lot more kind of shiny or you know,

0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:18.040
<v Speaker 3>the evil side of it, which you're kind of told about.

0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.560
<v Speaker 3>But it's really cool being able to just have that

0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.280
<v Speaker 3>kind of platform that we can make art from. And

0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that the you know, to keep the rules

0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.840
<v Speaker 3>pretty loose, like it doesn't need to be music doesn't

0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.120
<v Speaker 3>need to be made in a certain way or released

0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:35.840
<v Speaker 3>in a certain way. We just kind of get used

0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.440
<v Speaker 3>to the methods that everyone does. And you know, it's nice.

0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.280
<v Speaker 3>We've got a couple of artists, you know, we can

0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.520
<v Speaker 3>kind of sell their prints that they make or just

0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:47.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, just.

0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.600
<v Speaker 2>So they've got like creative outlets. You can not be

0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.360
<v Speaker 2>limited just to putting out their latest seven inch or whatever.

0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:56.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.760
<v Speaker 3>I just like that kind of idea of being able

0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.920
<v Speaker 3>to to use the platform for for whatever your creative

0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:09.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of idea. And then we've, yeah, this beautiful community

0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.640
<v Speaker 3>has kind of built around us from all the bands

0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.520
<v Speaker 3>and people who buy the music can come to the shows,

0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.840
<v Speaker 3>and there's no real label of who those people are.

0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.320
<v Speaker 3>They're always so different and I love that they just

0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.800
<v Speaker 3>connect with with the band and the idea.

0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.120
<v Speaker 2>I think there must be a lot of satisfaction to

0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.920
<v Speaker 2>basically having created your own job by starting your own

0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:35.160
<v Speaker 2>record label. You're obviously making music and running a label

0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.920
<v Speaker 2>in parallel. But in the future, do you sort of

0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.520
<v Speaker 2>think you'll do you sort of for see yourself carrying

0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.840
<v Speaker 2>on and running the label forever because you've you know,

0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.120
<v Speaker 2>you're cultivating something. Now, do you do you always see

0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.680
<v Speaker 2>those two things working in tandem?

0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:51.840
<v Speaker 3>Ah, I think yeah, at that moment, I kind of do.

0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:52.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't.

0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.560
<v Speaker 3>See yeah, in the in the kind of near future,

0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:02.680
<v Speaker 3>I think that that. I mean, we've kind of talked about, yeah,

0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:08.240
<v Speaker 3>finding someone who who really is really like minded and

0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.480
<v Speaker 3>and can kind of help do the bits that we

0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.040
<v Speaker 3>maybe don't know how to do as well, or you know,

0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.639
<v Speaker 3>so that Jen and I both kind of you know,

0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:24.240
<v Speaker 3>make music obviously, and it can really get like eighty

0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:28.560
<v Speaker 3>percent emails and twenty percent songwriting sometimes. But I think

0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.720
<v Speaker 3>the balances is kind of fun.

0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.400
<v Speaker 2>You've obviously been on the road a lot so far

0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.680
<v Speaker 2>this year already in fact, like playing in Gen's band,

0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and now you're kind of coming to the point where

0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.359
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be you're sort of talking about your

0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.680
<v Speaker 2>new record with that coming out in May. As part

0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.040
<v Speaker 2>of that, you obviously traveling to different places and doing

0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.520
<v Speaker 2>things like this, having interviews and doing that sort of thing.

0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.720
<v Speaker 2>But today you went to the Cat Cafe And what

0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.879
<v Speaker 2>was that like? Just for people that don't know what

0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.920
<v Speaker 2>that is, that is a cafe full of cats, Yes,

0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:57.760
<v Speaker 2>pretty simply. What was that like?

0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? It was it was It was nice. It was fun.

0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, the cats seem very happy and everyone there

0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.639
<v Speaker 3>they definitely go to too great lengths to keep the

0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.159
<v Speaker 3>cats happy and safe, which is nice because I'm a

0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:10.640
<v Speaker 3>cat lover.

0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:15.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I do. Bubbles Bubbles, Yeah, is it Bubbles

0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:15.520
<v Speaker 4>a hero?

0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:15.960
<v Speaker 2>She is?

0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:16.760
<v Speaker 4>She okay?

0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:17.760
<v Speaker 2>And what's Bubbles like?

0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:19.760
<v Speaker 4>She's great. She's kind of.

0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Needy and angry, but she's really she's really considerate, very

0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:31.200
<v Speaker 3>warm and loving. She's always always looks after me when

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:32.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm sick or sad.

0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.920
<v Speaker 2>It's Bubbles like when she's angry.

0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh, just biding and clawing, and she's pretty aggressive.

0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:40.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you get the impression that when she goes out,

0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.920
<v Speaker 2>she's causing trouble? Like the other day, I was visiting

0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:50.320
<v Speaker 2>my wife's family and I heard my wife's mother shouting

0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.240
<v Speaker 2>very early in the morning on Sunday morning. And it's

0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.040
<v Speaker 2>because their cat had brought in a pigeon through like

0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.480
<v Speaker 2>into the bedroom and like put it on the carpet

0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.919
<v Speaker 2>and seemed very pleased with itself. Yeah, as if like,

0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:04.879
<v Speaker 2>look what I've done. This is brilliant. Why don't you

0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:05.840
<v Speaker 2>think that that's impressive?

0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:06.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was a gift.

0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but unfortunately the pigeon was still alive and did

0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.280
<v Speaker 2>get released. Was okay, Yeah this Bubbles ever do anything

0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 2>like that?

0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:19.760
<v Speaker 3>No, I think she's too slow. Yeah she she doesn't.

0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.040
<v Speaker 3>She looks like she's not very nimble. I'll show you

0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.920
<v Speaker 3>quick photo. Sorry for anyone that can't see, but she's

0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:27.919
<v Speaker 3>a she's a lilac Burmese.

0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.040
<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, she looks a bit angry in that photo.

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.359
<v Speaker 2>She looks like a criminal mastermind.

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, no, she's I think she's a pacifist, you know.

0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.640
<v Speaker 3>She she sits out in the garden and the birds

0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.160
<v Speaker 3>kind of tease her, and she just wants to get

0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.679
<v Speaker 3>some sun on a Yeah.

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who looks after Bubbles when you're away.

0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:55.840
<v Speaker 3>We got a handful of of great friends who who

0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.120
<v Speaker 3>love her, and they live in sharehouses and I think

0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.120
<v Speaker 3>they come and stay at our house and look after her.

0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.960
<v Speaker 2>She looks after them cat protection. When you get home,

0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.199
<v Speaker 2>is Bubbles generally pleased to see you? Or is Bubbles like,

0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:11.160
<v Speaker 2>where the hell have you been?

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.040
<v Speaker 3>She's pretty Yeah, I think she's happy. She doesn't play

0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 3>it too cold.

0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you started this year heading out on the road

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.679
<v Speaker 2>quite a bit. What are you like? I mean, it

0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.560
<v Speaker 2>sounds like being at home is great because obviously, you know,

0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.399
<v Speaker 2>you're running the label and very busy with all that

0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.960
<v Speaker 2>side of things. So are you type of person that

0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:32.679
<v Speaker 2>really enjoys being out on the road or are you

0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.679
<v Speaker 2>constantly thinking about being at home or do you can

0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.080
<v Speaker 2>you enjoy both those things?

0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:38.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I enjoy birth.

0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.000
<v Speaker 3>I think it's and I've definitely, you know, learned that

0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.080
<v Speaker 3>the balance, the balance of those two things is so

0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.920
<v Speaker 3>important because too much touring, I think can kind of

0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 3>drive you crazy. And you know, everyone in my band,

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.080
<v Speaker 3>including myself, you know, has a partner, so to be

0:20:55.119 --> 0:21:00.000
<v Speaker 3>away I think can be obviously difficult on relationships. Yeah,

0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:06.359
<v Speaker 3>I think finding that balance of music home, family, because yeah,

0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.120
<v Speaker 3>that stuff's obviously so important. I love I love being

0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 3>able to tour the world. It's such a huge kind

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.240
<v Speaker 3>of privilege and for those songs to connect with people

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 3>so amazing. But yeah, families is really important and spending

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:31.040
<v Speaker 3>that kind of quality time. Yeah, it's nice making the balance.

0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.359
<v Speaker 2>How do you think back on the period now where

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.320
<v Speaker 2>when you released your first EPs and the debut album,

0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 2>you were touring so much, felt like you played a

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of show. So do you think back onto that

0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.040
<v Speaker 2>period now and be like, Wow, I'm almost not sure

0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 2>how I had the stamina to do that.

0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:47.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it blows my mind because I'm quite a lethargic

0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.960
<v Speaker 3>person most of the time. And it's almost like it's

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 3>like a sink or swim kind of thing. Just kept on,

0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:02.600
<v Speaker 3>kept on swimming, and it's so exciting. I think I'd

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.960
<v Speaker 3>never been overseas before before. Music kind of took me,

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.200
<v Speaker 3>took me around the world. And yeah, for the kind

0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:15.199
<v Speaker 3>of small parts of tour that can be tiring or

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 3>annoying or whatever, it's pretty minimal compared to the kind

0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.280
<v Speaker 3>of opportunity and environment and people that you can meet,

0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:23.240
<v Speaker 3>I think, And.

0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.520
<v Speaker 2>That period obviously took you around the world, played probably

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.800
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of shows, even took you to places like the Grammys,

0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 2>which was well, what was the Grammys, like because I

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:35.800
<v Speaker 2>mean I imagine that was quite a severe experience.

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was pretty surreal.

0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:40.120
<v Speaker 3>Just I guess a place I never would have thought

0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 3>I would have end up, and you know, I might

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.520
<v Speaker 3>never be invited invited back, So it was like.

0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:49.000
<v Speaker 4>A strange I mean, it was great.

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.360
<v Speaker 3>It was great to be Yeah, just to be kind

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 3>of considered as as whatever the word is, like a nominee,

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 3>someone who I just feel like I don't really fit

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 3>the mold of what that world is maybe, So it

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:08.359
<v Speaker 3>was you know, it's kind of nice to think that

0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:13.440
<v Speaker 3>my music can transcend somehow to another world where I

0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 3>thought maybe I didn't, I didn't kind of belong.

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:21.439
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, did you kind of enjoy the night because

0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:22.920
<v Speaker 4>it was fun? Yeah.

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.959
<v Speaker 2>Earlier on I was watching them, I was looking it up,

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:27.919
<v Speaker 2>and I watched the video where you were walking you

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>were on the red carpet and you were speaking to

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 2>a guy, very enthusiastic reporter. I think his name was Tyler,

0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and it just looked that like American entertainment world, it

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>is so sort of energetic and kind of hyperactively excited

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.120
<v Speaker 2>about something like the Grammys and there's all these people

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 2>coming down the red carpet. It looks manic, and yeah,

0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know whether, like I wasn't sure whether you

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 2>sort of found the whole thing kind of curious, interesting,

0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 2>or just like bizarre.

0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess a mixture of all those things. It

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.760
<v Speaker 3>was pretty bizarre, I guess for me because it's, yeah,

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 3>not my world, but I guess yeah, it's some people

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.440
<v Speaker 3>that is their their world, and that's cool too.

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I love there's a bit in it where he said like, oh,

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.119
<v Speaker 2>do you want to collaborate with Alsia Keys and Beyonce

0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 2>or something? And I was just like, and you were

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.840
<v Speaker 2>just you seem to be just like wow, I don't know.

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:29.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure, I'm looking for him.

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:31.240
<v Speaker 2>So once that sort of period had come to an end,

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 2>you played your last show in support of the debut album,

0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:38.479
<v Speaker 2>did you you headed back to Melbourne? And what was

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 2>that experience of kind of decompressing from that sort of

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 2>two or three year on the road period, Like, because

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 2>it must be strange when you wake up on that

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Monday morning or whatever and you're like, Okay, so this

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 2>is the point where I'm supposed to start writing more

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 2>music or whatever, Like, what does it feel like?

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 3>I almost can't remember what the what that kind of

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 3>period was, like I just kind of got back into

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 3>the there's always stuff happening, you know, And I think

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.439
<v Speaker 3>we did. Yeah, I was writing, and then I was

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.880
<v Speaker 3>just working and catching up with friends and family and

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:20.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of I guess what I would normally do when

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:24.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm when I'm home, And we kind of had some

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Milk Records projects, which you know, became the next kind

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 3>of thing to work on. And then I did Gens album,

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 3>and then me and Kurt started talking about our our thing,

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 3>and I kind of made a bit of an effort

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 3>to try to like what we were talking about before,

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 3>how you never do things in your own city, or

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 3>we do, Like I think that we go to a

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 3>lot of like indie rock shows, which is, you know,

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 3>you're in your own little bubble. But yeah, trying to

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:58.920
<v Speaker 3>got a friend who works at a theater company, and

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 3>every now and then she would get free tickets to

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 3>a show and see if we wanted to go, so

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 3>we'd go along, go along to some theater and I

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 3>think I kind of booked us a couple of tickets

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:16.120
<v Speaker 3>to the Ballet and and like, oh I love it,

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 3>like I used to go as a kid. Yeah, yeah,

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 3>we went, we saw like some some like a string quartet,

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 3>and I don't know, just doing things that we always

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 3>kind of talk about doing but are too lazy to

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 3>do and or you get too trapped in your own thing.

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 3>And Jen and I kind of work aholics as well,

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 3>so it's like, oh, we'll just we'll just keep on

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 3>working and this thing until nine pm.

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 4>And then you know, it's like.

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 3>There's just no boundaries of work, I think in some

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.680
<v Speaker 3>arts practices.

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 4>Or just the kind of industry.

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, just making a bit more of an effort

0:26:54.680 --> 0:27:00.959
<v Speaker 3>to spend quality time, and yeah, treat ourselves to because

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 3>I get so inspired by by things like that going

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 3>to the cinema. And I used to get really anxious

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.160
<v Speaker 3>going to the cinema, so I never wanted to go.

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 3>And then when Jen and I got together, she liked it,

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 3>so we'd go on dates to the cinema, and now

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 3>I love it again.

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, always that you didn't enjoy about the cinema, Oh,

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.439
<v Speaker 2>I think just like is it people like rustling around

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 2>and just the fact that you're wear the fact that

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of people watching basically the TV to

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>get that which is just stressed.

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.400
<v Speaker 3>No, I love that I love the weirdness of that concept.

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 3>I uh, I just don't I need an asle seat.

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so if I if I would go and

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 3>like get trapped in the middle, I didn't like that.

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>My wife likes to sit in the front row.

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, okay, I'm not sure.

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 2>About that because I mean, there are obviously legroom benefits

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>you can stretch out, but saw next saw neck. And

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 2>also it's it's no good if you're going to see

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 2>a three D film because you're wearing the glasses. You

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 2>can't you don't get any of the three D.

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you get to see So.

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I swear people some people do just come to make

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 2>noise just to deliberately annoy other people, even if I

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 2>have got some, I don't. I'm not. Do you take snacks.

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't really taken.

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 4>I do Jen love snacks.

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 3>But we have this, we have this constant battle because

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 3>she doesn't care making noise, and I'm really self conscious

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 3>of making noise for other people.

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 2>So you're really carefully past that backet.

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:28.440
<v Speaker 3>I like when in once with a.

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 4>Chop top.

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you know, yeah, everyone that's truck ups right, And

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 3>I didn't eat it because we got in and the

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 3>first part of the movie was so quiet, and I

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 3>was too afraid to open it and then eat it

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 3>because it's all the crunching, and so I just sat

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 3>there with it and she she was like you.

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 4>Why didn't you eat it? Like why do you care

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 4>so much?

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 2>And I'm also cinema, Like, sweets are really expensive, aren't they. Yeah,

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 2>you buy to treat that it is a tree. It's

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 2>part of the experience. Sometimes I buy. Sometimes I do

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>go to the shop that's next door to the cinema,

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 2>buy some popcorn and hide it in my jacket. And

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm always a little bit worried about getting busted as

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 2>you walk in to give your ticket, as if they're

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 2>going to say, like, we are aware that you're carrying.

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>It's always a little bit. They always have a little

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 2>bit of the fear. I've never been caught. What was

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>the last film you sortly loved?

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 3>We saw the other day in Cologne, Germany. We saw

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 3>the new Black Panther film, which was great. It was

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, English with German subtitles.

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 4>Not the other way around. That was great.

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 3>I keep meaning every time I'm away, I really want to.

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 3>I always mean to go and see like a film

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 3>in French in France, in French with English subtitles and

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 3>just sit there by myself with like a little red

0:29:54.680 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>wine or something, and but yeah, I always forget. Before that,

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 3>we went and saw Call Me by Your Name. Yeah,

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know much about it and we kind of

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 3>randomly picked it as a little date night film. And yeah,

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 3>it was perfect.

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 2>I've not seen all of the Oscar contenders yet. That's

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 2>one of them, isn't it for best film? I thought

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 2>it was superb, really really good.

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the chemistry, it was very sensual. The whole film

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 3>was really Actually he was in Ladybirth. That's another film

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 3>I saw.

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, is that good. Yeah, I like that a lot,

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 4>so many films.

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 3>The greatest thing about having to make that big flight

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 3>back and forth to Australia is catching up on lots

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 3>of films.

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I was filmed slightly the words not sorry, but I

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 2>do kind of feel for artists that over in the

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>UK where you were coming from Australia, because you can't

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 2>just like pop pome can. Yeah, you are actually got

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 2>to go back to the other side of the world. Yeah,

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 2>when you get on the plane, do you just gorge

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>on films? Is that your thing? Is that how you

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 2>get through that twenty four hour journey.

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 3>I've tried to do other things, like I try to work,

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 3>or I try to write or read, but everything is

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 3>too hard, I think, and I hate reading being when

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 3>everyone's sleeping, being the only one with that really bright

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 3>light on, and.

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 4>It's like the cinema imlet.

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't. I've never woken up the person next to

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 2>me if they're asleep and I need to go to

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 2>the toilet, I can't do it. It's too awkward.

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 4>I need the aisle. Yeah, yeah, same as the cinema.

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 3>I can't just have a panic attack if I'm stuck

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 3>in the in the not aisle.

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>It's making me feel nervous just thinking about now, like

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>tapping the stranger on the show. Can I go to

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 2>the toilet?

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you just got to jump Clive over.

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 2>We've not really talked about your new album yet. Your

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 2>new album is called Tell Me how You Really Feel?

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Is it tell me how you really feel? Or is

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 2>it tell me how you really feel?

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 4>Because I was reading it earlier, I.

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Was know it feels like the kind of title that

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 2>you could The words are ambiguous and cold in different ways.

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Is that a deliberate thing.

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of the intention. Yeah, I think it. Yeah,

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 3>at different points in my life, you know, it's me

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 3>asking the question, and it's other people asking the question

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 3>of me, and it's earnest and it's sarcastic, and yeah,

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 3>I think it can be all of those things.

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:42.959
<v Speaker 2>The ten songs that have ended up on this new album,

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 2>were they the ten songs that you wrote for it,

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 2>or did you sit down and write some songs and

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 2>stop writing those songs and write some new ones or

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 2>how did it all come?

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 4>Aboun?

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 3>I wrote a handful that I probably threw away, but normally,

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 3>normally I try to stick with them and turn them into,

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, better versions of themselves. But yeah, I was

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 3>writing a lot of kind of folk songs. I guess

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 3>I was playing around with my little harmonica, and some

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 3>of them kind of kind of edged in, like walking

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 3>on eggshells.

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 3>There's one other song we recorded that didn't end up

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 3>on the album. I just felt like it didn't fit,

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 3>and ten songs felt quite symmetrical.

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 5>Nice you wrote the lyrics on a typewriter, Yes, some

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.959
<v Speaker 5>of them. Yeah, that been made into a bigger thing

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 5>than I actually is. Yeah, Okay, made this new album

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 5>using just the type.

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, everyone's asked me.

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got given a typewriter of an old friend,

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 3>and I wrote, my mom, you know, used to write

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 3>on typewriter as.

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 4>A kid, and I loved it.

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 3>I would always jump onto her typewriter and write stories

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 3>before we you know, got a computer, and and so yeah,

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 3>I got this new one and just loved it. And

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 3>I kind of I think I I use just different

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 3>just to to trick the brain into productivity, like to

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 3>jump to different writing stations. And yeah, I'd write like

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 3>an hour on typewriter or something, and you just see

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 3>how it changes the rhythm and the speed kind of

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 3>slows you down a bit, and it's a bit clunky,

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 3>and you kind of come out with these half half

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.800
<v Speaker 3>written sentences because your fingers can't keep up with your brain.

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 4>And hard, isn't it?

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Typewriter?

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 4>I like? I like it? So it was.

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 3>It was a good, a good kind of part of

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 3>the whole exercise.

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 2>I guess I've got this vision of you typing your

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:40.399
<v Speaker 2>lyrics and kind of as if you're in a sort

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 2>of newspaper office in Chicago.

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:44.280
<v Speaker 4>The green visor.

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, just like type away and you know, not

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 2>that one like kind of pulling it out, chucking over

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 2>your shoulder into a waste paper bin basket behind you.

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's a collection of songs that definitely

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 2>have a sense of like frustration and definitely like to

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:04.360
<v Speaker 2>term nation and vulnerability and sadness and whole collection of

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 2>different feelings. So was it a was it an album

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 2>that came easily to you when in terms of the

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:12.280
<v Speaker 2>subject content, or was it a real kind of inward

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 2>look at yourself.

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 4>I think the ladder it.

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of it was kind of just dwelling

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 3>on and trying to kind of really get to the

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.759
<v Speaker 3>bottom of a lot of those just a lot of

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 3>those kind of behavioral patterns that I would I feel myself,

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, practicing forever since I was a teenager, kind

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 3>of the same thought patterns of negativity or just those

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 3>kind of self esteem or even just that pattern of

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 3>apologizing for nothing, just that weird kind of apologizing for

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 3>having an opinion for existing. It's I think I realized

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 3>how kind of damaging it is to my self esteem,

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 3>so I tried to kind of catch myself doing it.

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, so I mean that doesn't really answer your question,

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 3>But that's a snippet of the stuff.

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 4>It was kind of all all that stuff.

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 3>That is up there, and but then the kind of

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 3>bigger I don't know, the world. I think I was

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 3>feeling a lot of sadness for the world, which yeah,

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:26.399
<v Speaker 3>sounds a bit pathetic, but instead of doing something about it,

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:33.319
<v Speaker 3>and you know, being sad doesn't feel very very helpful.

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 3>I think that was me trying to kind of find

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 3>a way to turn that sadness and.

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 4>Anger, like a lot of anger just for the.

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 3>Kind of inequality of everything and kind of all those

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 3>things that I don't know, we're just really upsetting me,

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 3>I think the last couple of years, and trying to

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 3>find a way to turn that into some sort of

0:36:56.600 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 3>positive and useful thing instead of just swallowing.

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:06.320
<v Speaker 2>How did you find that process of articulating that very difficult?

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know, I don't even know if I

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.320
<v Speaker 3>got there, but it was a kind of step in

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 3>the right direction, I think, and I feel I came

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:18.479
<v Speaker 3>out of it feeling pretty optimistic actually from from where

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 3>I was, and quite kind of empowered. And I was

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 3>reading a lot and listening to a lot of a

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 3>lot of different music and just yeah, just feel like

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:36.280
<v Speaker 3>pretty inspired to continue existing and making stuff.

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've got Kim and Kelly dial on the record

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 2>from the Breeders. Yeah, just tell me how you got

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:44.760
<v Speaker 2>them involved, because that's exciting.

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:45.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was really really happy.

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 3>I met Kim a couple of years ago doing.

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:52.399
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:53.319
<v Speaker 4>We on a phone call.

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 3>We did a podcast called Talkast, which is awesome, and

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 3>and so we kind of got on well. And then

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 3>we stayed in touch and just email each other regularly.

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:07.399
<v Speaker 4>And I was in.

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 3>Town and and they dropped into the Breeders making the

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 3>album in the studio and they needed some some vocals

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 3>on a song, so we did that. And then and

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 3>then when I was doing my album, I Kim was like,

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.800
<v Speaker 3>let me know if you ever need some some vocals

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:26.720
<v Speaker 3>in return for the other vocals.

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 4>So I sent.

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Them this song and and Kim and Kelly sang some

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 3>some oh two songs. But yeah, so that was great.

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 3>I think it sounds so good. Their voices sounds so good.

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 3>It's just such interesting, Yeah, just such great musicians like that.

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Even the harmony choices are weird, really weird, but really perfect.

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.400
<v Speaker 2>A real buzz to have something like the Breeders and

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 2>the record as well, it's so good.

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 2>The album ends with a song called Sunday Roast. Tell

0:38:55.800 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 2>me about how that's about Sunday roasts and such a

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 2>British thing, Sunday roast. We're obsessed. Yeah, just tell me

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>a bit about that song.

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of Australian as well. Well, you know, I guess, well, no.

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 4>We'll give you that.

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Australians they have a Sunday roast.

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, growing up I remember we do a lot. But anyway,

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 3>recently we a group of friends in my kind of neighborhood.

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 3>There was a group text that was the Sunday Roast

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 3>group text, and we'd kind of swap around houses each

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:37.879
<v Speaker 3>week or not every week, whenever everyone was around, and

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, that person would cook the majority of the

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:47.280
<v Speaker 3>of the roast, big veggie roast as well, and people

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 3>would bring bits and it was just this really simple

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 3>community friends catching up, being there for each other. Kind

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:59.320
<v Speaker 3>of it's pretty for the majority, pretty positive, but I

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 3>think parts of kind of touch on just watching people

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.720
<v Speaker 3>back to the you know, the general theme, the morose

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:12.320
<v Speaker 3>theme of the album of just kind of watching friends

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 3>suffer and not not knowing how to deal with things

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 3>and as a friend trying to trying to navigate how

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:24.839
<v Speaker 3>to be of of assistance or be of service of

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 3>some sort, and but but mostly how that can kind

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:36.479
<v Speaker 3>of be achieved in just that kind of togetherness, which is, yeah,

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 3>it was, I didn't I didn't mean to ended on

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:45.400
<v Speaker 3>the album ends, you know, on a really optimistic No.

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.279
<v Speaker 3>I think because of that song and the fade out

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:52.839
<v Speaker 3>kind of leaves you fading into optimism, which is which

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 3>is really really nice, that kind of hopefulness as opposed

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 3>to the first song, which is kind of hopeless.

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 4>So it is about Sunday riasts.

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, are you good at making a Sunday roast? No?

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 4>I can't cook. No, No.

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 2>And what's your favorite part of Sunday roast?

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 4>Garlic? Just like who you're going to say?

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 2>It was not garlic.

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 3>I just love the whole Yeah, I love it.

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 2>How can you? It's got to be the roast. Potato,

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're good, they're good. Yeah. Broccoli love it? Yeah, Carrots, Yeah, gravy.

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 3>We'd have because a majority of us are vegetarian, we

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.359
<v Speaker 3>kind of we've got a good mix of veggies. What's

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 3>that thing that's kind of like a coulieflower, But it's got.

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 4>A weird name. Do you know that?

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Do you have that here?

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:48.919
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like it looks a bit like an

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 3>evil you know in cartoons when there's like the good

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 3>guy and then the bad guy is kind of the

0:41:56.239 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 3>same but slightly more like pointed features and a bit

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:06.560
<v Speaker 3>more is an evil? Yeah, evil cauliflower. I hope someone

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:08.399
<v Speaker 3>knows what it is and.

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Somebody will be able to tell us. I don't know

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 2>what the evil cauliflower is.

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 3>It's really nice, so like a whole roasted one of them.

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.000
<v Speaker 2>What's your what's your opinion on the Yorkshire put in?

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 4>Ah?

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:19.760
<v Speaker 3>What's that again?

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Like the battered sort of the round sort of battered.

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. How do you just like a pancake?

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Isn't it okay? That maybe is the British part of

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 2>the rest there isn't sweet?

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of. And then if you go to British

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.359
<v Speaker 2>festivals do this thing now where they'll serve a roast

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 2>dinner in a giant Yorkshire pudd in, so it'll be

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 2>like the size of a dinner plate, and then everything

0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.479
<v Speaker 2>will be chucked in, including the gravy. You see people

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.880
<v Speaker 2>at festivals trying to eat it. And just like dropping

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 2>it down themselves.

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:56.239
<v Speaker 3>What's that weird soup thing you guys do? Like a

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 3>pie and a soup?

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 4>Do you do that here? I don't know, I don't know.

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 3>Maybe someone tricked me, I ye.

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Midnight Chats is a Loud and Quiet podcast production by

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Emma Snook Music courtesy of gold Panda. Search Midnight Chats

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 1>on iTunes for more episodes and to subscribe. For more information,

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>visit Loud and Quiet dot com.

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.399
<v Speaker 6>Looking for some fun, Let's scratch us lead the way

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 6>countless wayte to scratch. Come join the play instead of keys.

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:57.880
<v Speaker 6>What can you find? Think of something fun? Leave the

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:01.800
<v Speaker 6>coins behind, grab your guitar, hold the pig tight scratches

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 6>you strum, let the rhythm, agnite with your drum sticks

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 6>with a solo so great, or place the scratches on

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.760
<v Speaker 6>the turntable, scratch and rotate. So get creative and find

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 6>you play. Who waste the scratch scratches from the California Lottery?

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 6>A little play can make your day payse play responsibly.

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.800
<v Speaker 6>Must be eighteen years or older to purchase play or claim.

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>When you wake up well rested on a great mattress,

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:24.280
<v Speaker 1>everything becomes clear.

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Huh I do make everything about me.

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.839
<v Speaker 4>Things you missed when you were tired finally reveal themselves.

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 2>My passport is in the pocket of the duffel bag

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 2>I took to Mexico.

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.280
<v Speaker 6>At Mattress Firm, we know the right mattress matters.

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 1>We also know that price does too, so if you

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 1>see a lower price somewhere else, we'll match it, Plus

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.360
<v Speaker 1>you get free and fast delivery. Shop in store or

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 1>online at mattress firm dot com.

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:48.280
<v Speaker 2>The right mattress matters, we'll find yours. Restrictions apply.

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:49.800
<v Speaker 1>See store our website for details.