Speaker 1: I told Michael, Michael, I want to Copley. Don't you
Speaker 1: come down here? He hating you. Michael was like, you
Speaker 1: told me, I'm going to tell Jerry right now.
Speaker 2: That was in ninety three.
Speaker 1: Me and Jerry we all at the Pro Bowl, and
Speaker 1: I made made the mistake. I went to Micah. I said, Mike, Man,
Speaker 1: look man, I want to come home and play. Say
Speaker 1: I play second fiddle, and that's not what it's all about.
Speaker 1: I just want to be Oh no, oh, you know Michael. Oh,
Speaker 1: you ain't coming down here. You ain't coming down. What's up, everybody?
Speaker 3: I'm Peanut Toliming, and this is the NFL Player's Second
Speaker 3: Acts podcast with me, as always my trusted co host,
Speaker 3: mister Roman Harper.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: You know? What's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm really really excited about this one.
Speaker 4: I played with this guy on video games for many,
Speaker 4: many years, Like this.
Speaker 1: Is video games. I actually played against the guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're older than me. It is all good.
Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to this and this is one
Speaker 4: of the greatest of all time. Uh, Peanut, please introduce
Speaker 4: our next guest because.
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Uh. He's a Hall of Famer. Yeah, he's a Heisman
Speaker 3: Trophy winner at Notre Dame. He is one of ten
Speaker 3: players to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
Speaker 3: and won the Heisman Trophy nine time Pro bowler. Ladies
Speaker 3: and gentlemen, please welcome to the podcast, mister Tim bro.
Speaker 1: Sure, thank you very much. Appreciate that. Appreciate your love
Speaker 1: with this. Thomas getting mad, I mean so good. Good
Speaker 1: to be here. Guys, welcome to the pod. Brother, thank you,
Speaker 1: appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Saw you about a month ago. I saw you in
Speaker 3: Notre Dame. I went to the Notre Dame spring game.
Speaker 2: How often do you go back to South Ben.
Speaker 1: Oh, man, I try to get back for all the
Speaker 1: warm games.
Speaker 2: Okay, before we hold you.
Speaker 1: So last year I had I missed a couple of
Speaker 1: the warm games and so I had to go back
Speaker 1: to Florida State game, which was okay, but then they
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. So I'm now back there in December,
Speaker 1: you know. So did you come down?
Speaker 2: Did you travel it all with the with the playoff
Speaker 2: games in New Orlean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to UH I didn't go to the
Speaker 1: Georgia game, but I went to the other three games.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was man, Yeah, it was great, incredible.
Speaker 4: It was, I mean, shout out to Notre Dame and
Speaker 4: everything they're doing really really cool. I did not understand
Speaker 4: the new helmet situation with the true gold dome, like
Speaker 4: it is sweet.
Speaker 1: What is that like?
Speaker 2: The gold dome? Like they have this this brighter gold.
Speaker 2: It's not like the dull gold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we wore the dull guess now they have this shiny,
Speaker 1: real shiny gold, sparkly and all this kind of little
Speaker 1: flashy as flashy as Notre Dame gets. That's all you're
Speaker 1: going to get right there. You're not getting it with
Speaker 1: flash Is.
Speaker 4: It true that you considered becoming a pastor after you're
Speaker 4: done playing football?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Bro, that that's not over though. I mean that's tastes. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm at a church now. My past is
Speaker 1: ninety three years old, and you know, he's doing all
Speaker 1: he can to hang in there. But you know, and
Speaker 1: there's going to be a serious transition that's going to
Speaker 1: happen there, and so I mean, there are some things
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to do before that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: if he was to say to me, which I believe
Speaker 1: he is gonna say to me, hey, Tim, I want
Speaker 1: you to you know, have something to do with this,
Speaker 1: then it would be something I'd be more than happy
Speaker 1: to look into. I like that. You put it out there,
Speaker 1: speaking speaking into resistance. I like it. Look, brother, this
Speaker 1: is you know I come from. My grandfather was a preacher,
Speaker 1: my uncle was a pastor, mama's a missionary in the church.
Speaker 1: Brother big brother's a deacon in the church. So it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be you know, people who know me, know the family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, Timmy, pa okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be like he what Timmy. It's like family business,
Speaker 1: right exactly. I like that.
Speaker 3: So I know, I said a little bit in the intro,
Speaker 3: and this is like one hell of an accomplishment. I
Speaker 3: don't think I knew this, but you're you're one of
Speaker 3: ten players to have won a Heisman and being a
Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame. How special is it to
Speaker 3: be on that small list?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, for me, it's even smaller because I'm
Speaker 1: the only receiver right to accomplish it. So at this
Speaker 1: particular point, so you know, I know for me, and
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, Look, I know I
Speaker 1: won the Heisman not because of being a receiver, because
Speaker 1: I didn't have quarterback that threw me the ball, but
Speaker 1: it was because of returning punts and kicks and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But Marcus Allen is always on me.
Speaker 1: You only scoring seven touchdowns. I was like, yeah, markets,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't driving over to power one yard like
Speaker 1: you were getting twenty five touchdowns. I was actually making
Speaker 1: people miss, you know, doing some real work, right. But yeah, man, Look,
Speaker 1: I when I was going into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: I had a buddy here and he's an old country guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he came up to me and hate Timmy, Did
Speaker 1: you know that you're only the night guy to win
Speaker 1: the Heisman being the home I was like, Lee, man,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. That's thirty guys have done that.
Speaker 1: And literally, on my way to my instronment speech, I
Speaker 1: googled it up. Yeah, and they only had eight because
Speaker 1: they hadn't added me, and of course we had a
Speaker 1: charge what'son after me? And I was shocked. I was
Speaker 1: really like, you got to be kidding me. Only nine
Speaker 1: guys have but when you look at it, when you
Speaker 1: look back, yeah, only nine guys have accomplished it. So no,
Speaker 1: I mean it's something that it's one of those things
Speaker 1: that when people here say it. They almost paused for
Speaker 1: a second later, isn't rial So you're talking about I
Speaker 1: have all the people who have won the Heisman in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. You only have ten guys. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely something to be proud of. It's always a shock.
Speaker 3: And when you google yourself when someone shot shooting, like, wait,
Speaker 3: I thought I knew everything about way I did.
Speaker 1: Well, let me see this. Yeah.
Speaker 4: This is something that I learned personally as well about you,
Speaker 4: is that you're you're talking in third person.
Speaker 2: You're doing it as well. Uh, at Notre Dame you
Speaker 2: were Timmy Brown and you go by Timmy Brown. Now
Speaker 2: obviously when the.
Speaker 1: People that know you, Yeah, but in the NFL, we
Speaker 1: only knew you as Tim Brown, right right right? So
Speaker 1: how when did the the m y get dropped? Did
Speaker 1: well extend?
Speaker 2: Today?
Speaker 1: They called me testing out Timmy? That's what they called me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think all my Notre Dame boys, man, if
Speaker 1: I if I down them up right now and they'll
Speaker 1: be like, hey, Timmy, when do you you know we're
Speaker 1: we going? You know, that's just that's just what they
Speaker 1: all call me. And my family calls me Timmy mostly
Speaker 1: everybody else calls me tim you know. So it's another
Speaker 1: big deal for me. I think the more people I
Speaker 1: think they know me or know me, they call me timmy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I look at it
Speaker 1: as a term of the NFL.
Speaker 2: Did did you make this decision?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no they did. Uh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like Marcus Allen calls me Timmy. You know, most of
Speaker 1: the guys I played what they call me timmy, you know.
Speaker 1: But people outside of that, they all call me tim So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't trip either way, you know, but
Speaker 1: when somebody calls me Timmy, I usually turn pretty quickly
Speaker 1: because that's somebody who that's if I need to get
Speaker 1: your attention in a crowd of people. Hey timn Hey
Speaker 1: tim Hey Timmy. You say Timmy, be like, who is
Speaker 1: that brother calling me Timmy? Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Could you take us.
Speaker 4: Back to your very first NFL touchdown and you actually
Speaker 4: scored on the very first time you touched the ball?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I got to give you a little
Speaker 1: background to that. So imagine this. So I my last
Speaker 1: year Notre Dame, you know, you know, once I realized,
Speaker 1: you know, this thing is about to happen. I walk
Speaker 1: into the Porsche dealership and I get this seventy thousand
Speaker 1: dollars nine to twenty eight. That's for porch, right, black
Speaker 1: on black, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Make sure it makes sure we look at You can't
Speaker 2: you can't, you can't.
Speaker 1: In no, I mean, come on, Bro. So you know
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know when we get drafted, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, get drafted by LA. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like really good. Right, I'm about to be flashing.
Speaker 1: So I'm in a minicamp and James Loughton, Yeah, asked
Speaker 1: me a question. He said, hey, what kind of car
Speaker 1: do you have? Oh, James man Bro, I got this
Speaker 1: black twenty four s for twenty es fort porch. He said,
Speaker 1: don't bring it out here. And I was like, James bro,
Speaker 1: this is his main for LA.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on the beach and man had beats
Speaker 1: somemrow you know what I mean. He was like, don't
Speaker 1: bring it out here. He said, you got boys in
Speaker 1: this locker room who's been in the league for eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten years, driving penty at Grandam's or whatever, and now
Speaker 1: you're going to be this flashy rookie coming in here
Speaker 1: with this car and you haven't done anything. He was like,
Speaker 1: don't do it. So I went bought to be a
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand dollars Nissa pat five to Bacato training caut
Speaker 1: So to your point, that game, the first when I
Speaker 1: returned to open the kickoff of the game, Now you said,
Speaker 1: have you asked for a touchdown? Twenty twenty five mins?
Speaker 1: All burdy, he's James came to me during the game
Speaker 1: said you can bring that porchaquelle before you. He said,
Speaker 1: these boys can't say you had done this because you
Speaker 1: don't did something, you know what I mean? And uh so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but that moment, man, you know, of course
Speaker 1: a lot of people were saying, hey, Timmy, what you
Speaker 1: did in college, You're not going to be able to
Speaker 1: do an NFL, you know, so how are you going
Speaker 1: to adjust to that? And so I think to be
Speaker 1: able to do that right off the bat, so to
Speaker 1: shut a lot of people up, you know, at least
Speaker 1: they couldn't say, you know, he never did it, because
Speaker 1: I did only kick return already I ever had in
Speaker 1: my career, because the next year I got hurt returning
Speaker 1: kicks and the only one you ever had your career.
Speaker 1: I do that. The only kick return now I should
Speaker 1: have had one versus Seattle. I got tackled at the
Speaker 1: two yard line, started celebrating. The guy came from the
Speaker 1: other side, didn't see him, didn't see him, and uh
Speaker 1: that I did that. Yes, on Monday night football too,
Speaker 1: So it was it was pretty right after no of course,
Speaker 1: not no, no, no. It was like only like three
Speaker 1: seconds left because they tried to swip kick it and
Speaker 1: I got the ball and took it up, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's only two seconds. So we had to kick
Speaker 1: a field goal, a ninety year field goal. It got
Speaker 1: missed it. He missed the ninety yr field goal. I
Speaker 1: can tell that still bothers you not getting that touched
Speaker 1: on the way, Yeah, I could tell that bothers, no doubt. Well,
Speaker 1: you know you think at the time, well there are
Speaker 1: gonna be many of these, you know. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: next year, opening game of the year, I tear my
Speaker 1: knee up versus San Diego and that was it. I
Speaker 1: never I returned punts, but I never returned kicks again.
Speaker 3: So coming from college going to the league, there were
Speaker 3: a lot of naysaarers I said, you wouldn't be able
Speaker 3: to do what you did in.
Speaker 1: College in the league.
Speaker 2: Did that ever.
Speaker 1: Hurt your confidence or did you ever stop believing in yourself?
Speaker 1: I didn't, Man, I really thought that I was born
Speaker 1: to return punts and kicks. I mean, I thought that
Speaker 1: that was something that was innate in me. That you
Speaker 1: put me in the right situation. You got you give
Speaker 1: me ten guys in front of me who want to work,
Speaker 1: then we're going to make something happen. You know, my
Speaker 1: ability to make people miss had a little speed those combinations,
Speaker 1: I think, And I was tough enough to get hit
Speaker 1: on a pump return and you know, not whine about it,
Speaker 1: and you know, and go do what you have to do.
Speaker 1: So I just thought, man, that you know, if I
Speaker 1: can just you know, be on the field and make
Speaker 1: this stuff happen, you know, when they want when they
Speaker 1: kick me the ball, Hey, I'm going to make this
Speaker 1: thing happen. You know, It's just going to be a
Speaker 1: situation where I'm not going to shy away from it
Speaker 1: any of that. You know, it's going to be. It's
Speaker 1: a situation. It's what I want, It's what I want
Speaker 1: to do, is how I want to do it. And
Speaker 1: I didn't care what people said about me. I really didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember it, you know, because you you
Speaker 1: sort of put it on the wall. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, man, you know, it's a situation where it's football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're bigger, faster and all that. I get it. But
Speaker 1: now I got up my game. I have to be able.
Speaker 1: So I don't think I ever let it, you know,
Speaker 1: bother me to that point. But certainly I always wondered
Speaker 1: why people wouldn't let me go play and then talk.
Speaker 1: Why you're gonna talk first without seeing me do something,
Speaker 1: you know, and say, well, he you know, he can't
Speaker 1: do this because you know we just saw it, you know,
Speaker 1: But they want to talk before they even see you
Speaker 1: do anything on the field.
Speaker 3: My I think my and I think I might have
Speaker 3: shared this with you one time. But the very first game,
Speaker 3: it was Week five, two thousand and three, I got
Speaker 3: my very first start and we played Chicago, played the Raiders, right,
Speaker 3: and my position coach he walks over. I'm in the
Speaker 3: weight room and he was like, hey, listen here, you
Speaker 3: going against Tim Brown. You're going against Jerry Rice, two
Speaker 3: future Hall of famers.
Speaker 1: Don't be in there. F and up and he walked
Speaker 1: out the door. And I was like, okay, Like I
Speaker 1: was stoked. I was, you know, I'm like, I finn
Speaker 1: to get my start out.
Speaker 3: I fig up Dad, Hey, hey, pops, I'm going against
Speaker 3: sim Rider Rice And he was like, Okay, what you
Speaker 3: gonna do.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm gonna just try to play a good game,
Speaker 1: you know. And we we had the game. We in it.
Speaker 3: I think it was like twenty four twenty one. I
Speaker 3: think I wrote it down somewhere twenty four twenty one,
Speaker 3: but uh, yeah, we we I don't know if you
Speaker 3: remember the game, but it was it was. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was a bad year for us. We were I mean
Speaker 3: we were coming off the Super Bowl year. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was just everything. Man Callahan just flipped everything on his head.
Speaker 1: Man, it was ridiculous. So, I mean that was a
Speaker 1: year we were ready to get. Week five, we were
Speaker 1: already like, hey, can we get this out overweight because
Speaker 1: this is this is not gonna work. I think the
Speaker 1: next week we played Green Bay on Monday night and
Speaker 1: they beat us fifty two to six. And that was
Speaker 1: the night the week before the couple of days great,
Speaker 1: uh Brett Fag's father died. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember having a conversation with Al Davis that night, going big, God,
Speaker 1: I think it's over, Yeah, I think you know. I
Speaker 1: actually told him, look, you probably should fire this guy
Speaker 1: because he's trying to tell your organization that one you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And uh so, uh it was
Speaker 1: it was head the other way man. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: so so sad because we had made we had the
Speaker 1: MC Championship in two thousand, we had the Tuck Game
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one. Yeah, Tom Brady, Yeah, Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: and then we have then we make it to the
Speaker 1: to the to the super Bowl in two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: and we we were bringing back the same but they
Speaker 1: just changed the whole office. They changed. We couldn't audiboy anymore,
Speaker 1: we couldn't do anything. So it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 4: So I want to go back because you you said
Speaker 4: something earlier, and I don't know how many other times
Speaker 4: I'm actually have the opportunity.
Speaker 1: To ask you this.
Speaker 4: You said, like I knew I was put on this
Speaker 4: dirt pretty much to be a punt returner and a
Speaker 4: kick returner. Well, at what point did you know you're
Speaker 4: gonna be a Hall of Fame wide receiver, because that's
Speaker 4: what you're known for. Yeah, now the other skills of
Speaker 4: what got you there, and maybe talk about how you
Speaker 4: had to work at that part because it maybe didn't
Speaker 4: come as natural.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, man, that's a very good point.
Speaker 1: I mean, because I would think that, you know, I
Speaker 1: always want to talk about the punk returny kick return.
Speaker 1: I always, you know, because I returned. I'm noticed a
Speaker 1: man the history of League of return to punt for
Speaker 1: a touchdown, the oldest man in the history of the
Speaker 1: league to return a punt period at thirty eight years old,
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: People were like, yeah, we see you return punts, so
Speaker 1: let's talk about It's like, bro, let's talk about this
Speaker 1: one second. I probably could't have made the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame doing that. So but so so I get hurt.
Speaker 1: My second year, Al Davis tells me that you're going
Speaker 1: to be the best punk returner, third down receiver to
Speaker 1: ever play the game, but you're not going to play
Speaker 1: on first and second down. Really. Yeah, So in ninety
Speaker 1: ninety one and ninety two, I didn't didn't start a game.
Speaker 1: I never played on first and second I only played
Speaker 1: when it was thirty you know, because back then it
Speaker 1: was two receivers and then you bring your third receiver
Speaker 1: on on third down, and that was my role. So
Speaker 1: I made the Pro Bowl again as a I made
Speaker 1: Propo as a rookie returning punts and kicks, made it
Speaker 1: again in ninety one returning punts and kicks returning punts,
Speaker 1: and then in ninety two, Murvin Fernandez, who I was
Speaker 1: playing behind, got hurt. He got hurt the seven eight
Speaker 1: game of the year, and I think I put up
Speaker 1: like forty nine fifty catches the rest of the year,
Speaker 1: and they was like, we choose him. So in ninety
Speaker 1: three I led the AFC in receptions. It was the
Speaker 1: first year I made the Pro Bowl as a as
Speaker 1: a receiver. And then after that, man, I think I
Speaker 1: had nine ten years, one thousand yards and you know,
Speaker 1: eighty seventy five catches or whatever, you know, one hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety six. What up starts it? It was something
Speaker 1: ridiculous like that. But it wasn't to answer your question,
Speaker 1: It wasn't until a year fourteen or thirteen fourteen something
Speaker 1: like that, somebody came to me and said, hey, if
Speaker 1: you catch another pass or something, then hey, you may
Speaker 1: be looked at as a Hall of Famer, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well what. And I remember going to and
Speaker 1: I had never looked at the numbers. I didn't know
Speaker 1: where I was. And when I looked, I was like
Speaker 1: top twelve and like catches and touchdowns yeah, and yards,
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, okay, you know, And so
Speaker 1: it must have been like year thirteen because fourteen and
Speaker 1: fifteen I had really good years. Made the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: again in year fifteen as a receiver, so you know,
Speaker 1: and by then now I'm top ten and everything, you know,
Speaker 1: and so so you know, at that point, everybody's said, oh,
Speaker 1: you're going to be a Hall of Famer. You know,
Speaker 1: by the time I go top ten. And once I
Speaker 1: got my one hundred touchdown catch, which didn't come until
Speaker 1: my seventeenth year, were playing the Raiders. I'm playing for
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, but we're playing the Raiders in Oakland, and
Speaker 1: I scored my one hundred touchdown catch. So I you know,
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, not that you think you're
Speaker 1: a lock. But I finished my career two two three
Speaker 1: two and touches two in touchdowns, two and catches and
Speaker 1: three in yards or some but I was two two three,
Speaker 1: so you're thinking, hey, yeah, I'm gonna be a first
Speaker 1: ballot guy. You know, you know so. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think, man, But it really wasn't until late in
Speaker 1: my career. But you have to understand this too. I
Speaker 1: was so focused, man, on trying to win a championship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was, That's all I you know, And
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, and I tell you know,
Speaker 1: you know, these young folks all the time. Look, you
Speaker 1: don't play a team sport to get individual awards, right,
Speaker 1: you know, the individual awards, you know, they get you
Speaker 1: through the day. You know, they make you, you know,
Speaker 1: not you know, go crazy because you can look up
Speaker 1: at your wall and you got a heisman Jophy at
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame bus. You know, it makes you
Speaker 1: feel okay about yourself. But when you think about your career, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The one that I mean
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, Bo Jackson gets hurt in the divisional playoff game,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And so we go to
Speaker 1: the FC Championship game with no Bo Jackson. You know,
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen and now David's are fighting, so we don't
Speaker 1: We barely play Marcus Allen in the AFC championship game.
Speaker 1: We of course we're gonna get a buzz wok. We
Speaker 1: got Buffalo killed us. You know, we don't make it
Speaker 1: again until two thousand rich Gannon the first series, second
Speaker 1: series of the game, Big Sarah Gussa falls under, breaks
Speaker 1: his shoulder. He's out, you know. So now we got
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks trying to play, you know, and you know
Speaker 1: the Tuck rule game, you know what I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, right, nobody even heard of his
Speaker 2: rules until that happens.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, man. And then you know, we get
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and it's the last week that
Speaker 1: there's not a break in between the AFC champions the
Speaker 1: championship game and Super Bowl, so we have to go
Speaker 1: right from the FC championship game. We're in San Diego
Speaker 1: the next next Monday afternoon. We're in San Diego already, right,
Speaker 1: So we had our game plans, man, and in a
Speaker 1: game you know, we had the biggest offensive line in
Speaker 1: football at the time, Tampa had the smallest, the best.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, he walked with the Tijuana Yeah kick,
Speaker 1: this is why so And the game plan was, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna make them feel this heat, right,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna you know, so that's a weird practice
Speaker 1: all week. On Friday morning, they changed the game plan,
Speaker 1: change the game plan. They changed the game plan completely.
Speaker 1: They changed the game plan. So now the center Barrett
Speaker 1: is freaking out because he's like, coach, I don't have
Speaker 1: time to get all my my reads and all this
Speaker 1: stuff and what what we you know, what we're talking
Speaker 1: about doing. Now, I'm good for what we practiced, but
Speaker 1: this and that night, you know, he had a problem anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, and had a little bit too much of drink,
Speaker 1: ended up in Tijuana, and you know, he still couldn't
Speaker 1: play in the game. And that's that's what we're really
Speaker 1: mad about. Because they had him back in time, you know,
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon. The game wasn't til you know, Sunday night,
Speaker 1: so he had plenty of time to get him right,
Speaker 1: and they chose not to play him. And you know,
Speaker 1: so you go into the game thinking, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of distractions, a lot of you know, that's
Speaker 1: the one game you don't want distractions, right, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: So listen, can we go back because kind of like Rome,
Speaker 3: I might not be able to ask this question. Two
Speaker 3: of the two of the greatest athletes of all time,
Speaker 3: Jim Thorpe and Bo Jackson. And obviously I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: wasn't around when Jim Thorpe was around.
Speaker 1: But Bo Jackson.
Speaker 3: As a kid, the baseball, the breaking the bat, running
Speaker 3: up the wall, throwing a guy out from center field
Speaker 3: at home plate. Then watching what he did, you know,
Speaker 3: at Auburn, and when he gets drafted, he's playing running
Speaker 3: back for the for the Raiders.
Speaker 1: What was it like having a front row seat just
Speaker 1: kind of watching him do his thing? Yeah? It was freaky,
Speaker 1: It really was. I mean, you know, you know, I
Speaker 1: probably I played with Rocket, Yeah, Rocket was You've been
Speaker 1: around fast, You've been around, yeah, you know, but this
Speaker 1: was a different kind of speed. My rookie year. Now
Speaker 1: I come out, I'm four three five of what come
Speaker 1: coming out. So I had never played with a guy
Speaker 1: that when he broke, I couldn't go catch him. Let's go,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we're playing at Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: We got to play sixteen Bob TREYO. Never forget it.
Speaker 1: I come down in motion. My job is to get
Speaker 1: the safety and if things go right, Bo Jackson should
Speaker 1: be coming off my butt right. So I come down. Bam,
Speaker 1: I had the safety. Bo Jackson comes off my butt right,
Speaker 1: I'm about to go catch boat. That's what I'm about
Speaker 1: to do. I put my head Dawn Fellas and I'm digging.
Speaker 1: And when I looked up, it was cartoonish. Bro how
Speaker 1: fast he was cartoonish? So I just read the field.
Speaker 1: So I was asking my god, I said, was I
Speaker 1: running in mud? They was like, don't ever run behind
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson. Whatever you do, don't ever run behind them.
Speaker 1: And when you watch it on film, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a guy that you know when they they
Speaker 1: clocked him at what they call the running forty at
Speaker 1: three point seven six, you know, from the thirty to
Speaker 1: thirty when he was already running. You know, I think
Speaker 1: he ran like a four to one or something. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It's real video footage of it. But everybody heard about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard it's real. I can tell you it's
Speaker 1: real because I've never been on the field with somebody
Speaker 1: who was so explosive, who had the ability to outrun
Speaker 1: out physical everybody on the field. One story I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you guys. I can tell you many. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this what so you know he talked to the
Speaker 1: third person. He stuttered really bad back in the day. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: now he's good and he jokes about it too. But
Speaker 1: we're at the meeting and they're installing plays right, and
Speaker 1: he's in the back of the room and uh, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you hear bo Bo bow don't won't
Speaker 1: no blocking right, And everybody's like, oh, you know, nobody
Speaker 1: want to move right, and uh, he stands up Boat
Speaker 1: Bow don't won't blocking. So everybody's like the coach, like
Speaker 1: the time, I know you guys, gon take a break
Speaker 1: right right right. So when we come back, they had
Speaker 1: put this play in, uh triple right, U X tight,
Speaker 1: uh bowl reverse right right. So they say, Timmy, we're
Speaker 1: gonna put you at the X right, you know, make
Speaker 1: them think there's some special play coming, and we want
Speaker 1: you to just run across the field, don't block anybody,
Speaker 1: just run all the way to the the corner end zone.
Speaker 1: We just run right. And what we're gonna do, We're
Speaker 1: gonna pisch the ball to bowl left and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna let bow reverse field and it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: any blocking for both. So Bo just he's just gonna
Speaker 1: outrun or if you got it this way, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: I bought Mike Harden uh for the Broncos got in
Speaker 1: his way. I saw you remember that play. I saw
Speaker 1: that that was reverse. That was boul reverse left at
Speaker 1: that boy because he's running that way.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But that that's what you know. He did not want
Speaker 1: block it. He wanted people out of his way, and
Speaker 1: he would just run over people, you know. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think there are many running backs in the
Speaker 1: history of the game. Yeah, who are going to set
Speaker 1: up and say I don't want to block it. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a short break and we'll be back
Speaker 1: in a minute.
Speaker 3: So let's let's get into the let's transition into your
Speaker 3: your your second act after after football. So you're now
Speaker 3: the commissioner of the new Arena Football League and new athletes,
Speaker 3: new rules, new teams.
Speaker 1: What are some of the new rules some of the teams? Like,
Speaker 1: what what's making the Arena League fun again? Well? You know,
Speaker 1: I think for these kids, man, and you know, hate
Speaker 1: call them kids, but they are what they are. It's
Speaker 1: an opportunity, bro, It's an opportunity to get one more
Speaker 1: pattern the back, one more handclap, you know, because all
Speaker 1: of them have a story of why they didn't make it,
Speaker 1: why they didn't do this or do that. And I
Speaker 1: think what what the Arena League is doing for them
Speaker 1: is giving them the opportunity to get in the community,
Speaker 1: you know, because all of our teams, the kids are
Speaker 1: expected to get in the community and connect with some
Speaker 1: nonprofit or whatever. And they're doing that and they've been
Speaker 1: well received doing it, you know. So and you know,
Speaker 1: they may not, you know, they're not Immi Smith or
Speaker 1: Tim Brown or whatever. You know. You know, they're not
Speaker 1: you know us, but people respect them because they were
Speaker 1: in a jersey, you know what I mean. And they're
Speaker 1: giving them entertainment, entertainment on Saturday night, you know. So
Speaker 1: you know, we we did six man football last year.
Speaker 1: We're going to move to seven man this year. But
Speaker 1: we're trying to speak the game of twenty second play clock,
Speaker 1: make it really wide open, you know. And it worked,
Speaker 1: it worked really well for us, you know. And but
Speaker 1: we thought with seven on seven and being a big
Speaker 1: deal and going to be a part of the Olympics
Speaker 1: coming up, that we should probably go to seven on
Speaker 1: seven to give some connection to the fans more so
Speaker 1: than just you know, a real football whatever. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think from that standpoint, man, it's been great.
Speaker 1: You know, we're in you know, Hot Springs and Springfield,
Speaker 1: Missouri and Dluth, Minnesota, and you know, Kansas City and
Speaker 1: places like that. It's you know where we are at
Speaker 1: this particular point. But you know it's gonna get bigger
Speaker 1: and better man Old Claire, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're six teams this year, hope to get
Speaker 1: to twelve next year. And what the owner wants to
Speaker 1: do is, you know, have six teams on the East coast,
Speaker 1: six teams up here down here, and then let those
Speaker 1: six play and then you know, play around robin playoffs
Speaker 1: and make this thing happen. So it's been fun for me, man,
Speaker 1: know it's fun for me. It's not a money gig
Speaker 1: per se, but it's an opportunity for me to you know,
Speaker 1: pad a couple of kids in the back and carry
Speaker 1: some kids. And you know, we have made some calls
Speaker 1: up to uh, the UFL about a couple of kids,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, and that's what I bring
Speaker 1: to the table more than anything, you know. Boot Moose
Speaker 1: Johnson is the commission don't know if he's a commissioner,
Speaker 1: he's some he has some prominent role there, and uh
Speaker 1: so we we've connected, you know, on trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: get some kids up to his level. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's fun, you know, trying to trying to you know, wait,
Speaker 1: I get it, man. You know so many of us
Speaker 1: and I don't know what your you got story is,
Speaker 1: but so many of football players walk away from the game,
Speaker 1: not like they want to, you know. I mean they
Speaker 1: tell me. Less than two percent of us stand up
Speaker 1: to a mic and say, hey, today, I've talked from NFL.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody else is hurt, they get cut or
Speaker 1: whatever whatever. And and but at least we played NFL, right,
Speaker 1: you know, at least we could say that these guys
Speaker 1: are having to do that out of high school or
Speaker 1: out of college or whatever, you know. And I think
Speaker 1: for them to have this one last opportunity to to
Speaker 1: come out there, man, like I said at the beginning,
Speaker 1: to get a handclap or to get a pat on
Speaker 1: the back, it's worth it to him. And they're not
Speaker 1: making a lot of money at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so do you think this is a
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you just said it's kind of
Speaker 3: like a pipeline or you make a couple of calls
Speaker 3: to the UFL. Do you think the new Arena League
Speaker 3: could be a pipeline to the NFL. Have you seen
Speaker 3: some guys with that talent that that can play up there?
Speaker 1: Not really, not really. I think, you know, a guy
Speaker 1: may show something to plays, but then you see why
Speaker 1: why he's in the in the Arena League, you know,
Speaker 1: because so, but the one kid I call about, this
Speaker 1: kid man was and come to find out, I didn't notice,
Speaker 1: but he was in Kansas City's training camp and decided
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a track guy. So he left
Speaker 1: to train and then wanted to come back. You know,
Speaker 1: the league. Don't play that, You're not You're not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, right. So, and but this kid was
Speaker 1: extremely talented, you know what I mean. I thought that,
Speaker 1: but I knew why he was where he was because
Speaker 1: of what he had done, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so I think I think he is in the
Speaker 1: uf L. I can check on that. But but this
Speaker 1: kid was was pretty good. But I hadn't really seen
Speaker 1: anybody that, uh, you know, if I saw a defensive
Speaker 1: lineman and we only got you know this year, we're
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one on one offense you know, one
Speaker 1: office along one defensive that's gonna be pretty interesting. Uh
Speaker 1: but you know, so we see a lot of dB
Speaker 1: type guys and and and receivers and all that. So
Speaker 1: that's basically what I'm looking at.
Speaker 4: So after you retired, you did TV, and so did
Speaker 4: doing TV like help you smooth out that transition? Because
Speaker 4: you talked about it, less than two percent or two
Speaker 4: percent actually get to retire from football on their own terms.
Speaker 2: Football usually retires.
Speaker 4: All of us at some point, and so you know,
Speaker 4: everybody has to deal with the transition in different ways.
Speaker 4: And that's why we like to have this conversation with
Speaker 4: some of the greats. How did do and TV help
Speaker 4: alleviate or help you.
Speaker 1: In your transition? So let me let me go back
Speaker 1: a little bit. So when I tore my knee up,
Speaker 1: the doctor told me, Tim man, this is really bad.
Speaker 1: You know, this is something that we don't see. I
Speaker 1: tore my mediocollateral off the bone and my post seria
Speaker 1: crucier exploded. Right, So they literally brought my hamstring down,
Speaker 1: tied it all it or not, and said, hey, let's
Speaker 1: see what we got. And but he told me, he said,
Speaker 1: if you make it five years it's going to be
Speaker 1: a miracle, you know. So and he even said this,
Speaker 1: he said, uh, this is your second here, this is yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my second year. Yeah. Oh wow, I didn't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he said that great note of day education you have,
Speaker 1: you may need to think about using it. Right. So
Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm in the hospital room. Bro, he
Speaker 1: just you know, he just walked out the room. I'm
Speaker 1: having surgery in a few minutes. And this is what
Speaker 1: this man tell me. Right. So the great thing about
Speaker 1: that brother is it started my transition then, because I
Speaker 1: realized this man just told me I got five years.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So I started a shoe company. I had a shoe
Speaker 1: company kind of had a company called pro Moves. Who
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen wore my shoes, Willie gaulf Eddie Anderson, Steve
Speaker 1: Berline gonna wore my shoes. You know. We were selling
Speaker 1: in foot Locker and Athletic Express. We were selling all
Speaker 1: over the place until one of these big companies. Man,
Speaker 1: they did they did me dirty, bro, they did me dirty.
Speaker 1: We didn't have no we didn't have no brothers doing
Speaker 1: you know, I could have had what's his name, Jackson,
Speaker 1: but he was he was too much money at the
Speaker 1: times ain't paying. But so yeah, we got ran out
Speaker 1: of man, literally ran me out of ran me out
Speaker 1: of every I mean, went to Footlock and said, hey,
Speaker 1: either you want our shoes or you're going with these
Speaker 1: pro moves which one. And they was like, and they
Speaker 1: had told me Footlock had told me, hey, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem because they told me this too.
Speaker 1: This was ninety two. They said, the world is not
Speaker 1: ready for a minority shoe company. This was before the
Speaker 1: timberlands and all that stuff. We had Timbolans, before tibulus.
Speaker 1: We used to say they took our tibulus. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know you had all that to you had
Speaker 1: all that to to to transpire. Man. So when I
Speaker 1: got to year five, I was like, I feel great,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, I'm thirty and I
Speaker 1: was like, I feel good. I said, you know so.
Speaker 1: But I was always thinking today could be today, Today
Speaker 1: could be to day that you know, my negro out again,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: my positions started so early. When I got to the
Speaker 1: point where it was really time, I want to want
Speaker 1: to do when to say it was easy, because leaving,
Speaker 1: leaving your boys, leaving the locker room is never an
Speaker 1: easy decision at all.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But but let me tell what happened to me. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm retired. I'm working for a Fox Sports net. Uh,
Speaker 1: me and Eddie George and uh the only white cornerback
Speaker 1: in the league at the time, you know what I mean? Yea,
Speaker 1: why y'all know that because he's because he's the only
Speaker 1: white guy they got one. But I'm just saying, at
Speaker 1: that time, the Seahorn, Right, So, so we we have
Speaker 1: the show Man, so much fun and whatever. So we're
Speaker 1: we're taping on Thursday nights, right, Well, and this was
Speaker 1: the first year that the NFL started playing on Thursday nights.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It just so happened the Raiders were playing New England, right,
Speaker 1: And I didn't play for the Raiders my last year.
Speaker 1: I played for Tampa Bay. Right, the Raiders came out
Speaker 1: the locker room, brother, and I broke out in a
Speaker 1: cold sweat. I mean, I couldn't talk. I mean I
Speaker 1: was just like, I was like in a panic movement.
Speaker 1: I couldn't I could not figure out why I was
Speaker 1: sitting where I was sitting and not on the not
Speaker 1: coming out that locker room. I couldn't figure it out,
Speaker 1: and they were talking to dude, we're gonna call paramedics
Speaker 1: if you don't saying you know. And finally after a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes, I was able to say, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, and I had I got up, man, and
Speaker 1: I had to walk around the room and tell myself,
Speaker 1: you chose to be here, this is where you need
Speaker 1: to be. You know. I had to literally talk to
Speaker 1: myself because I couldn't figure it out. I mean, I
Speaker 1: had that moment, brother, Literally I thought I had lost
Speaker 1: my mind because I was in a place that I
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be. I was supposed to be right there,
Speaker 1: Come am I here, You know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: so you know, if I go through that, If I
Speaker 1: went through that, I certainly understand how other guys go
Speaker 1: through this transition thing too, man. But thankfully for me,
Speaker 1: you know, because of that injury, it got me to
Speaker 1: thinking about my transition a lot sooner than maybe a
Speaker 1: lot of other players. Do you know, so did that
Speaker 1: make it easier? The entrepreneur?
Speaker 3: The five year talk right there or in your fifth
Speaker 3: year or having only five years left. Did that make
Speaker 3: it easier to was it the eighty one Logistics Group?
Speaker 3: Did they make it easier to be a part of that?
Speaker 3: And I also see that you are a minority fuel
Speaker 3: transport company you work with that as well. Did that
Speaker 3: make all like just getting in the business, but that
Speaker 3: makes that easier for you?
Speaker 1: So anyone LG is eighty one Logistics Group, So that
Speaker 1: is the whole minority fuel. So I just started that
Speaker 1: just I mean eight years now we've been doing that.
Speaker 1: But and that just came about because some brother came
Speaker 1: up to me and said, you know, when I say brother,
Speaker 1: I'm I mean black. This was the white brother came
Speaker 1: up to me and say, look, man, I need your help.
Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of companies who need
Speaker 1: minority vendors or whatever, and they're none here. So take
Speaker 1: a look into it. I had just gone into the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame the year or two prior. This was sixteen.
Speaker 1: I actually signed up in seventeen. But and so one
Speaker 1: of the head guy at one of the largest field
Speaker 1: transporting companies in the country was also is also the
Speaker 1: CEO of the largest trucking trucking company in the company.
Speaker 1: And I had done a lot of events with seven
Speaker 1: eleven and so the CEO there, man, I called him up,
Speaker 1: you know, had his number eight. Man, this is what
Speaker 1: I'm looking at doing. He was like, Tim, if I
Speaker 1: can help you, I'll help you. So they were going
Speaker 1: to help us with supply. I had the transport, so
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm about to go solve this minority deal.
Speaker 1: But it was a lot of you know, even before
Speaker 1: what's happening now. And we got out of the DEI
Speaker 1: business before all this happened because we saw it coming down,
Speaker 1: because it was it's not real business anyway, right, it's
Speaker 1: all a front business. So uh so we started doing
Speaker 1: things internationally. So that's that's that's going well for me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, look man, yeah, I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, because I started everything so early that I
Speaker 1: didn't have that moment of of well, I didn't have
Speaker 1: consistent moments of oh my god, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 1: How am I gonna do this whatever? Whatever? You know,
Speaker 1: I was able to push through it because I started
Speaker 1: when I was twenty three. Yeah, you know, I started
Speaker 1: thinking about it when I was twenty three, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think from that standpoint, you know, it just helped,
Speaker 1: you know, you never would think a catastrophic injury would
Speaker 1: help you with your transition, but in this case, it did.
Speaker 2: It does it gave me one of my best friends.
Speaker 2: I tore my acl he toy is too well and
Speaker 2: we became best friends. Cauld we just react.
Speaker 1: Well, that's just what happened. Yeah, we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: short break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you something because you've always stood
Speaker 4: out to me, not only because your speed, not only
Speaker 4: because you played for the Raiders, and everybody has an
Speaker 4: opinion of Out the Raiders, whether you.
Speaker 2: Like him, love whatever, he got, an opinion of.
Speaker 4: The the finger tape because you were one of the
Speaker 4: only receivers when all the receivers start going from buttneked
Speaker 4: hands to receiving gloves, you still just did the heavy
Speaker 4: taped hands.
Speaker 1: And oh school, and your fingers look good today because
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So, I've seen Tory Holt's fingers. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've seen it.
Speaker 1: Gang signs.
Speaker 4: He's got some of the worst. Ready, Yeah, he's got
Speaker 4: some of the worse. And so shout out to Tori.
Speaker 4: I mean, I love you, yeah, absolutely, But could you
Speaker 4: made me talk to us about how that came about
Speaker 4: why the finger tape and how you just stayed with
Speaker 4: it and never put on the gloves.
Speaker 1: So I was not a glove guy, right, I was
Speaker 1: never a glove guy, but never never, not even never.
Speaker 1: I mean only time I would put him on is
Speaker 1: when we played in super cold weather, right, So I
Speaker 1: know it. It may have happened at Penn State once
Speaker 1: or twice when I got in the league. I think
Speaker 1: in ninety we went to Buffalo and I put him
Speaker 1: on or whatever, but this is what happened. So I'm
Speaker 1: returning punts, right, and I have on gloves, and I'm
Speaker 1: in Buffalo at the time, and Tasker, man, I hate
Speaker 1: that hate that guy. I love hate him, but I
Speaker 1: hated him. You know, I'm trying to, you know, catch
Speaker 1: the ball and slide the ball back in the pocket,
Speaker 1: and then that split second is you gotta it's got
Speaker 1: to happen quick well with gloves, because the gloves are
Speaker 1: so tacified. You actually got to use your offhand to
Speaker 1: push the ball. I mean, all this is happening like that. Well,
Speaker 1: if Tasker is there, all it takes to him just
Speaker 1: storing his hand in the mix, and you fumbled the
Speaker 1: ball and I fumbled the ball, and then a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks later, I fumbled again on the punt and
Speaker 1: I had on gloves and that was it. Because of
Speaker 1: my mind, it couldn't.
Speaker 2: Be it's the gloves, gloves. It's not Timmy.
Speaker 1: It's got can never be his fault. It's got to
Speaker 1: be gloves. So I I had dislocated my middle fingers
Speaker 1: in my rookie year, so I was already taping those
Speaker 1: under my gloves. I was taping my middle fingers. And
Speaker 1: so the first game or two, I think, I went
Speaker 1: out and I just had those two fingers saving I
Speaker 1: was like, well, we do, you might as well tape
Speaker 1: them all right, And so I just saw taping both
Speaker 1: joints on both on both hands and cold or not.
Speaker 1: I never went back to never go back to the
Speaker 1: gloves because I would wear those that little warmer and
Speaker 1: I had to hand warmer things in there, and they
Speaker 1: were really you know, cheat code, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: because it would get wet and your hands would almost
Speaker 1: get sticky. But that's between us, right, yeah and all
Speaker 1: your listen now. But yeah, so I mean I never
Speaker 1: had an issue again, you know, so, uh when when? Uh,
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald passed me and something don't whatever, you know, he
Speaker 1: passed me everything. But his people tagged me in a
Speaker 1: post that they had and they said, today, uh, Fitzgerald
Speaker 1: passes Tim Brown and d and we're sending his gloves
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. Right. So I hit him
Speaker 1: back and said, I didn't have any.
Speaker 3: Gloves never flex on the one sign. Oh yeah, what
Speaker 3: do you say to that? You don't You can't say
Speaker 3: nothing respect disrespect? Yeah, say what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I with you.
Speaker 1: You don't have to because I gotta be smart because
Speaker 1: I think you hit that beat. Yeah, that was It
Speaker 1: was like a slight, silent dig.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So uh, I just want y'all to know. I may
Speaker 1: could have sent some old tape, yeah, but I know
Speaker 1: you have to go.
Speaker 2: And I know peanuts got one last question.
Speaker 4: But I want to know this from you because once again,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be able to ask you this all
Speaker 4: the time. And I want to get this on tape
Speaker 4: because I want evidence of it. Your Tim Tim Brown's
Speaker 4: top five NFL receivers of all time.
Speaker 1: Go, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
Speaker 3: Now I want to know, because like you could be
Speaker 3: in there for some I want to know your top five,
Speaker 3: and it's okay to say yourself.
Speaker 2: Look, I prefer to put yourself in there.
Speaker 1: Look, Jerry, I don't care what people say about whoever.
Speaker 1: There's never going to be anybody who has all the records,
Speaker 1: the longevity and the championships. There's nobody's gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Somebody may get more championships, they may get more catches,
Speaker 1: they ain't not gonna play twenty years, so you can
Speaker 1: throw that out. But so I think, you know, no
Speaker 1: matter what you say about whoever, whoever, Jerry is number one.
Speaker 1: I think Randy Moss changed the game, no doubt. I
Speaker 1: think he changed the game. I think when he came
Speaker 1: in all of a sudden, these small forwards who wasn't
Speaker 1: doing anything on the bat spoke, hey, I know somebody
Speaker 1: you know, So I think he changed the game. I
Speaker 1: think Terrell Warrence was the hardest playing receiver that I've
Speaker 1: ever seen play the game. I mean, he played the
Speaker 1: game at such a physical level. I saw him and
Speaker 1: Charles Woodson go at it, uh you know, at a game,
Speaker 1: and you would think that I mean they were, I
Speaker 1: mean because Chaws never backed off of them. They were
Speaker 1: and it was like, man, this Charles Man great you
Speaker 1: look up, Well they brother had twelve or like one fifty.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like how did that that? I Woson was
Speaker 1: on on the whole.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: But but I just think he's the most physical, uh
Speaker 1: guy that that ever that ever played the position. It
Speaker 1: gets a little tougher for me. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: love Chris, and you know I think Chris was great.
Speaker 1: Uh but Chris was a great possession receiver. You know
Speaker 1: Chris Carter. I mean he he was great around the
Speaker 1: end zone. He was great around you know, could always
Speaker 1: make the plays. But he wasn't gonna get you a
Speaker 1: five yard and turn it into fifty. You know, he
Speaker 1: was not that guy. You know. But look, man, uh,
Speaker 1: I I joke with these guys all the time when
Speaker 1: we get together because everybody want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, look who would have traded with
Speaker 1: Tim Brown? Who would have traded with me?
Speaker 2: Jerry?
Speaker 1: I was traded with you bro traded all day two
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks, Sign me up. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? I had to trade with Randy Moss. Chris
Speaker 1: Carter should be a part of that. You got Randy
Speaker 1: Moss or Chris Carter ed reed, Yeah, hey, sign me
Speaker 1: up with that, you know what I mean. Michael Irvin, Oh,
Speaker 1: of course I put Michael in there. Everybody Michael, Hey,
Speaker 1: I tried to line up for that. I told Michael, Michael,
Speaker 1: I want to complay. Don't you come down here. Michael
Speaker 1: was like, glad you told me. I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: Jerry right now. That was in ninety three. Me and
Speaker 1: Jerry we all at the Pro Bowl, and I made
Speaker 1: made the mistake. I went to Michael. I said, Mike, Man,
Speaker 1: look man, I want to come home and play. Say
Speaker 1: I'll play second fiddle. And that's not what it's all about.
Speaker 1: I just want to be oh no, oh, you know, Michael,
Speaker 1: you ain't coming down here, you ain't coming there. So
Speaker 1: uh yeah. So you know, I just think Michael, Michael
Speaker 1: when I think that physicality thing. He was up there too.
Speaker 1: He was a beast of a guy. Uh But I
Speaker 1: would have traded places with any of those guys, but
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to trade places, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And uh so you know, people say all time, Tim,
Speaker 1: what would you have done if you hey, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to go down that road. The biggest compliment
Speaker 1: compliment I think I was ever given was by Jerry Rice.
Speaker 1: And he didn't do it publicly. It was just me
Speaker 1: and him, and he came up to me and he
Speaker 1: said it was in a practice. You know. This was
Speaker 1: about five games into his first year there, and he
Speaker 1: came up to me and he hugged me and he said, man,
Speaker 1: he said, I don't know how you did what you did,
Speaker 1: but he said, the fact that you did what you did,
Speaker 1: you know, makes me respect you even more. And you know,
Speaker 1: it was almost what I'm serious more was like, but
Speaker 1: I got to practice, man, I can get the practice.
Speaker 1: But because you know, because he realized at that time
Speaker 1: that the Raiders organization was a little different. They did things,
Speaker 1: you know, compared to you know, what they had done.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think when you get that
Speaker 1: kind of you know, pat on my back or you know, nods, man,
Speaker 1: you make you realize, Okay, you know I did all
Speaker 1: I could do. My boys recognize it. You know, when
Speaker 1: your boys recognized that, you know, forget anybody else, you know,
Speaker 1: forget everybody else. You know, Uh, the media don't ever
Speaker 1: have to say it, you know. Uh, I got a
Speaker 1: I got a cousin man a couple of years younger
Speaker 1: than me. And he, you know, of course, followed my
Speaker 1: whole He was in l A when I got to
Speaker 1: l A. And he he has DVDs with every one
Speaker 1: of my catches on my whole career DVDs.
Speaker 2: Brother, that's the worst.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, you ain't got nothing to play it on.
Speaker 1: Well and uh so, and he is like a big
Speaker 1: time music type guy. He does all this stuff, so
Speaker 1: he has a platform. And every once in a while
Speaker 1: he'll go Tim Brown heavy and he'll just lay it out,
Speaker 1: you know, he'll do all the stats and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: And and uh I was Chris Man, just back off,
Speaker 1: but just it's okay. He said, no, no, they need
Speaker 1: to know. They need no cousin need to know. Cus
Speaker 1: So anyway, but I didn't finish my five, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be in that top five. So I respect that.
Speaker 1: I respect that. I respect I was at three, but
Speaker 1: I'll put Michael in there. But look, man, the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is again, that had twenty quarterbacks. Bro.
Speaker 1: It's like you played for Chicago twenty quarterbacks. You know,
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be another Hall of Famer to make
Speaker 1: it to the league. Betwenty I think Chris Fitzgerald was
Speaker 1: at fifteen, sixteen and something like that. But I mean
Speaker 1: seven head coaches, you know, thirteen you know, office court,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But we got it done.
Speaker 1: You know that. That's the whole deal. Brother, And I
Speaker 1: think from that, you know, whether or not anybody ever
Speaker 1: puts me in the top five, I always get the
Speaker 1: honorable mentioned, right, I always get the you know, the
Speaker 1: top five, the honorble mentioned Tim Brown, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, right, But it's all good. My last question
Speaker 1: is Mount Rushmore. It's four people.
Speaker 3: If you had four people to put on Tim Brown's
Speaker 3: personal Mount Rushmore, who would those four people be? Just
Speaker 3: during my time or it's just an influence who you know,
Speaker 3: from the time you were born to today?
Speaker 2: Right, you got four people?
Speaker 1: Probably? Number one, if I can do it as a combo,
Speaker 1: would be my parents, my mom and dad, you know,
Speaker 1: but special people. You know. My mom is still a
Speaker 1: live thankfully. My dad passed a few years ago. You know.
Speaker 1: I can get into many stories about why. But you know,
Speaker 1: just I think that's a number number one for me.
Speaker 1: Number two, my big brother Man over oversaw all this, right,
Speaker 1: he's eight years older than me. He you know when
Speaker 1: I thought taking money from colleges was a good thing
Speaker 1: at sixteen years old, because they'd be in my basketball games.
Speaker 1: They tell me, go go see Peanut in the corner,
Speaker 1: Go see Roman over here. Roma got fifteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: You know, Peanut got. I'm thinking, I'm I'm balling, I'm
Speaker 1: big balling. Yeah, you know. But he was the one
Speaker 1: to take the money from me and get the money back,
Speaker 1: you know, because we weren't going to be those people,
Speaker 1: right man, you're looking back on that, it was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's that took something that took deep inside of you
Speaker 1: man to be able to to have that kind of mentality. Uh.
Speaker 1: He over oversaw all the agent thing you know when
Speaker 1: you coming out, and just enabled me just to go play.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about that. And plus I
Speaker 1: got kid folks, you know I have to worry about.
Speaker 1: So I would have to put him in in that too.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would be my pastor. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think at an age man, where I was ready,
Speaker 1: I had a pocket full of money, I was in
Speaker 1: la I was ready for it, and my pastor kept
Speaker 1: telling me God has only put you in this position,
Speaker 1: so you can turn it around and give it back
Speaker 1: to him. I was like, Pastor, what I want to
Speaker 1: hear man today? Many to live? Just tell me to
Speaker 1: go ahead, man, going out there, but not see you
Speaker 1: when you get back, you know. But he constantly told me,
Speaker 1: and I don't think. I think without that my walk
Speaker 1: would have started even later than what it did, because
Speaker 1: I think I would have always said with Pastor, you
Speaker 1: told me passor you told me I could do. You
Speaker 1: told me, you told me. But because he didn't, I
Speaker 1: think when I was starting my transition at twenty five
Speaker 1: twenty six, I always had his ringing in my ear
Speaker 1: that yeah, and so so from a spiritual standpoint, I
Speaker 1: don't think I would be the man I am a
Speaker 1: day if I had, you know, if I those words, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think numberfore man, and I don't mean for
Speaker 1: her to be number four. But my wife came into
Speaker 1: the situation in the heat of it, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And if she would have came in doing this rolling
Speaker 1: a deck telling me what to do, it would have
Speaker 1: been I think a different tim would have would have
Speaker 1: shown on the field. And instead she came in and said,
Speaker 1: what do you need me to do? You know right,
Speaker 1: I need you out of the house on Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 1: I'm good with that. Matter of fact, I'm going shop
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, So I'm really good with that. You know.
Speaker 1: She was good with that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I think that she was so humble about making
Speaker 1: sure that I had what I needed and it wasn't interrupting,
Speaker 1: you know, because come to find out, you know, at
Speaker 1: thirty you're thinking, okay, well by the end, well I
Speaker 1: played that was thirty eight, Yeah, so long time, So
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I just think
Speaker 1: her ability to understand and respect the fact that I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be some crazy guy, but I just
Speaker 1: need this is what I need, and this is what
Speaker 1: I gotta have you do, And and she was she
Speaker 1: was willing to do that. I mean, I we we
Speaker 1: did vows of twenty five years a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and and I didn't make it through it.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't make it through it because I was
Speaker 1: trying to explain to her how important that was and
Speaker 1: how what we're standing on today we may not be
Speaker 1: standing on if you would have been a different girl,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I think for sure,
Speaker 1: you know, I have to have on Mount Rush school
Speaker 1: though she's more than she's more than qualified. We can
Speaker 1: edit all this.
Speaker 3: We'll edit all this and make her number one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: We're gon edit all this and make her number one.
Speaker 3: I think My last quick follow is is it true
Speaker 3: that your mom always wanted you to not play football?
Speaker 1: Did she try to get you to quit?
Speaker 2: Very true?
Speaker 1: Very true. I mean she never knew that I was playing.
Speaker 1: You know, I was my freshman year. You know, you
Speaker 1: played football at four o'clock in the afternoon, so you know,
Speaker 1: if I got home at five thirty six o'clock with
Speaker 1: no big deal. My second year, I made the varsity
Speaker 1: football team. But I was in a marching band my
Speaker 1: freshman year, so she wasn't tripping on that. But then
Speaker 1: I had like the best first four weeks, you know,
Speaker 1: and they named me Sophomore Sensation or whatever, and so
Speaker 1: all of her friends, like Timmy's in the paper. So
Speaker 1: she's looking at life section, what did you do? What
Speaker 1: did you do? And I was like, Mama, maybe you
Speaker 1: should look at a sports page. But she saw that
Speaker 1: and she was again, my mom is a deeply religious one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and felt like that football and sports in general, what's
Speaker 1: the Devil's workshop and she hadn't want me or any
Speaker 1: of her kid has been involved with and all the
Speaker 1: kids had played I was the youngest of five. Everybody
Speaker 1: had played sports. But it just seemed like to me,
Speaker 1: to her that this thing with me was a bit
Speaker 1: a bit deeper. And uh yeah. So so Notre Dame
Speaker 1: came and they said, uh, well this is a five
Speaker 1: year academic scholarship. So he had to practice one week,
Speaker 1: but if he chooses not to play football, he'll still
Speaker 1: have a scholarship. And she was like, oh, this is great,
Speaker 1: this is great, Timmy.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know anybody that gets to go
Speaker 2: to school and decide whether, you know, we just go pay.
Speaker 1: For this is crazy. So anyway, but yeah, man, and uh,
Speaker 1: of course, my rookie, you have a great year break
Speaker 1: Gale says. The records all this stuff. The second I
Speaker 1: get hurt, oh you know, it was oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta retire now. And I know I got to go back.
Speaker 1: I prove that I could do, you know, and uh
Speaker 1: but yeah, every year I would come home and I
Speaker 1: stayed with them until almost I got married, and uh
Speaker 1: but every year I came home, she was like, well
Speaker 1: are you are you are you gonna retire now, It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep going. So but she she's good. She's
Speaker 1: good now. You know she was happy when I retired
Speaker 1: at almost thirty nine years old. I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so well, Tim, Man, appreciate you. Yeah, Man, thanks
Speaker 4: so much for such man joining us.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: Look, I just really appreciate anytime we get great ones
Speaker 4: around us because you naturally pour into us, and then
Speaker 4: we get to go out here and share these stories
Speaker 4: with all of our viewers and listeners out there, and
Speaker 4: it's really pouring.
Speaker 2: Back into them.
Speaker 4: The same thing that your pastor told you when you
Speaker 4: first got out to LA, because I've been in that
Speaker 4: LA lifestyle too, so I totally get it. In respect
Speaker 4: it man, I really appreciate it. And you are definite
Speaker 4: top five of all time. So congratulations to that with
Speaker 4: all your quarterbacks too. All right, thanks Tim again, and
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