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Speaker 1: you ain't coming down here. You ain't coming down. What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 3: I'm Peanut Toliming, and this is the NFL Player's Second

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Speaker 3: Acts podcast with me, as always my trusted co host,

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Speaker 3: mister Roman Harper.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: You know? What's up?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: I'm really really excited about this one.

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Speaker 4: I played with this guy on video games for many,

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Speaker 4: many years, Like this.

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Speaker 1: Is video games. I actually played against the guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're older than me. It is all good.

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Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to this and this is one

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Speaker 4: of the greatest of all time. Uh, Peanut, please introduce

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Speaker 4: our next guest because.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to.

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Speaker 3: Uh. He's a Hall of Famer. Yeah, he's a Heisman

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Speaker 3: and won the Heisman Trophy nine time Pro bowler. Ladies

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Speaker 3: and gentlemen, please welcome to the podcast, mister Tim bro.

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Speaker 1: Sure, thank you very much. Appreciate that. Appreciate your love

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Speaker 1: with this. Thomas getting mad, I mean so good. Good

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Speaker 1: to be here. Guys, welcome to the pod. Brother, thank you,

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Speaker 3: Saw you about a month ago. I saw you in

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Speaker 2: How often do you go back to South Ben.

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Speaker 1: Oh, man, I try to get back for all the

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was man, Yeah, it was great, incredible.

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Speaker 4: It was, I mean, shout out to Notre Dame and

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Speaker 4: everything they're doing really really cool. I did not understand

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Speaker 2: The gold dome? Like they have this this brighter gold.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we wore the dull guess now they have this shiny,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Bro, that that's not over though. I mean that's tastes. Look,

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Speaker 1: Well, let me see this. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: This is something that I learned personally as well about you,

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Speaker 2: You're doing it as well. Uh, at Notre Dame you

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Speaker 1: They called me testing out Timmy? That's what they called me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Did did you make this decision?

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Speaker 4: Back to your very first NFL touchdown and you actually

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Speaker 1: somemrow you know what I mean. He was like, don't

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Speaker 1: So to your point, that game, the first when I

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Speaker 1: They changed the game plan. So now the center Barrett

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Speaker 1: is freaking out because he's like, coach, I don't have

432
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: time to get all my my reads and all this

433
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Speaker 1: stuff and what what we you know, what we're talking

434
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Speaker 1: about doing. Now, I'm good for what we practiced, but

435
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 1: this and that night, you know, he had a problem anyway,

436
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, and had a little bit too much of drink,

437
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: ended up in Tijuana, and you know, he still couldn't

438
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Speaker 1: play in the game. And that's that's what we're really

439
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 1: mad about. Because they had him back in time, you know,

440
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon. The game wasn't til you know, Sunday night,

441
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: so he had plenty of time to get him right,

442
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: and they chose not to play him. And you know,

443
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: so you go into the game thinking, you know, it's

444
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: a lot of distractions, a lot of you know, that's

445
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: the one game you don't want distractions, right, absolutely not.

446
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 3: So listen, can we go back because kind of like Rome,

447
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 3: I might not be able to ask this question. Two

448
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 3: of the two of the greatest athletes of all time,

449
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 3: Jim Thorpe and Bo Jackson. And obviously I'm not I'm

450
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: wasn't around when Jim Thorpe was around.

451
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: But Bo Jackson.

452
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Speaker 3: As a kid, the baseball, the breaking the bat, running

453
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Speaker 3: up the wall, throwing a guy out from center field

454
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Speaker 3: at home plate. Then watching what he did, you know,

455
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 3: at Auburn, and when he gets drafted, he's playing running

456
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,719
Speaker 3: back for the for the Raiders.

457
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Speaker 1: What was it like having a front row seat just

458
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Speaker 1: kind of watching him do his thing? Yeah? It was freaky,

459
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: It really was. I mean, you know, you know, I

460
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: probably I played with Rocket, Yeah, Rocket was You've been

461
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: around fast, You've been around, yeah, you know, but this

462
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 1: was a different kind of speed. My rookie year. Now

463
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Speaker 1: I come out, I'm four three five of what come

464
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: coming out. So I had never played with a guy

465
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Speaker 1: that when he broke, I couldn't go catch him. Let's go,

466
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we're playing at Denver Broncos.

467
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: We got to play sixteen Bob TREYO. Never forget it.

468
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 1: I come down in motion. My job is to get

469
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Speaker 1: the safety and if things go right, Bo Jackson should

470
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Speaker 1: be coming off my butt right. So I come down. Bam,

471
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 1: I had the safety. Bo Jackson comes off my butt right,

472
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Speaker 1: I'm about to go catch boat. That's what I'm about

473
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Speaker 1: to do. I put my head Dawn Fellas and I'm digging.

474
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Speaker 1: And when I looked up, it was cartoonish. Bro how

475
00:22:53,440 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: fast he was cartoonish? So I just read the field.

476
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: So I was asking my god, I said, was I

477
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: running in mud? They was like, don't ever run behind

478
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson. Whatever you do, don't ever run behind them.

479
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: And when you watch it on film, man, I mean,

480
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: this is a guy that you know when they they

481
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: clocked him at what they call the running forty at

482
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Speaker 1: three point seven six, you know, from the thirty to

483
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Speaker 1: thirty when he was already running. You know, I think

484
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Speaker 1: he ran like a four to one or something. It's ridiculous.

485
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Speaker 2: It's real video footage of it. But everybody heard about that.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard it's real. I can tell you it's

487
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 1: real because I've never been on the field with somebody

488
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: who was so explosive, who had the ability to outrun

489
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Speaker 1: out physical everybody on the field. One story I'm gonna

490
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Speaker 1: tell you guys. I can tell you many. I'll tell

491
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Speaker 1: you this what so you know he talked to the

492
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Speaker 1: third person. He stuttered really bad back in the day. Thankfully,

493
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: now he's good and he jokes about it too. But

494
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Speaker 1: we're at the meeting and they're installing plays right, and

495
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: he's in the back of the room and uh, all

496
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you hear bo Bo bow don't won't

497
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: no blocking right, And everybody's like, oh, you know, nobody

498
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: want to move right, and uh, he stands up Boat

499
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Speaker 1: Bow don't won't blocking. So everybody's like the coach, like

500
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: the time, I know you guys, gon take a break

501
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: right right right. So when we come back, they had

502
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Speaker 1: put this play in, uh triple right, U X tight,

503
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: uh bowl reverse right right. So they say, Timmy, we're

504
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: gonna put you at the X right, you know, make

505
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Speaker 1: them think there's some special play coming, and we want

506
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Speaker 1: you to just run across the field, don't block anybody,

507
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: just run all the way to the the corner end zone.

508
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: We just run right. And what we're gonna do, We're

509
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Speaker 1: gonna pisch the ball to bowl left and then we're

510
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna let bow reverse field and it's not gonna be

511
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: any blocking for both. So Bo just he's just gonna

512
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Speaker 1: outrun or if you got it this way, and unfortunately

513
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: I bought Mike Harden uh for the Broncos got in

514
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: his way. I saw you remember that play. I saw

515
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: that that was reverse. That was boul reverse left at

516
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: that boy because he's running that way.

517
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Speaker 3: Uh.

518
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: But that that's what you know. He did not want

519
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: block it. He wanted people out of his way, and

520
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: he would just run over people, you know. So I mean,

521
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: I don't think there are many running backs in the

522
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: history of the game. Yeah, who are going to set

523
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: up and say I don't want to block it. So

524
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Speaker 1: we're gonna take a short break and we'll be back

525
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: in a minute.

526
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Speaker 3: So let's let's get into the let's transition into your

527
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: your your second act after after football. So you're now

528
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Speaker 3: the commissioner of the new Arena Football League and new athletes,

529
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: new rules, new teams.

530
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Speaker 1: What are some of the new rules some of the teams? Like,

531
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Speaker 1: what what's making the Arena League fun again? Well? You know,

532
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: I think for these kids, man, and you know, hate

533
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: call them kids, but they are what they are. It's

534
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity, bro, It's an opportunity to get one more

535
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: pattern the back, one more handclap, you know, because all

536
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: of them have a story of why they didn't make it,

537
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: why they didn't do this or do that. And I

538
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: think what what the Arena League is doing for them

539
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: is giving them the opportunity to get in the community,

540
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, because all of our teams, the kids are

541
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Speaker 1: expected to get in the community and connect with some

542
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: nonprofit or whatever. And they're doing that and they've been

543
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: well received doing it, you know. So and you know,

544
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: they may not, you know, they're not Immi Smith or

545
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: Tim Brown or whatever. You know. You know, they're not

546
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: you know us, but people respect them because they were

547
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: in a jersey, you know what I mean. And they're

548
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: giving them entertainment, entertainment on Saturday night, you know. So

549
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, we we did six man football last year.

550
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: We're going to move to seven man this year. But

551
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: we're trying to speak the game of twenty second play clock,

552
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: make it really wide open, you know. And it worked,

553
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: it worked really well for us, you know. And but

554
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: we thought with seven on seven and being a big

555
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: deal and going to be a part of the Olympics

556
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: coming up, that we should probably go to seven on

557
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: seven to give some connection to the fans more so

558
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: than just you know, a real football whatever. So yeah,

559
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: so I think from that standpoint, man, it's been great.

560
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: You know, we're in you know, Hot Springs and Springfield,

561
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: Missouri and Dluth, Minnesota, and you know, Kansas City and

562
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: places like that. It's you know where we are at

563
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: this particular point. But you know it's gonna get bigger

564
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: and better man Old Claire, Wisconsin.

565
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: You know.

566
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're six teams this year, hope to get

567
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: to twelve next year. And what the owner wants to

568
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: do is, you know, have six teams on the East coast,

569
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: six teams up here down here, and then let those

570
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: six play and then you know, play around robin playoffs

571
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: and make this thing happen. So it's been fun for me, man,

572
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: know it's fun for me. It's not a money gig

573
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: per se, but it's an opportunity for me to you know,

574
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: pad a couple of kids in the back and carry

575
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: some kids. And you know, we have made some calls

576
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: up to uh, the UFL about a couple of kids,

577
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, and that's what I bring

578
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: to the table more than anything, you know. Boot Moose

579
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Johnson is the commission don't know if he's a commissioner,

580
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: he's some he has some prominent role there, and uh

581
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: so we we've connected, you know, on trying to, you know,

582
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: get some kids up to his level. So you know,

583
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: it's fun, you know, trying to trying to you know, wait,

584
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I get it, man. You know so many of us

585
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know what your you got story is,

586
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: but so many of football players walk away from the game,

587
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: not like they want to, you know. I mean they

588
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: tell me. Less than two percent of us stand up

589
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: to a mic and say, hey, today, I've talked from NFL.

590
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: You know, everybody else is hurt, they get cut or

591
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: whatever whatever. And and but at least we played NFL, right,

592
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, at least we could say that these guys

593
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: are having to do that out of high school or

594
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: out of college or whatever, you know. And I think

595
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: for them to have this one last opportunity to to

596
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: come out there, man, like I said at the beginning,

597
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: to get a handclap or to get a pat on

598
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: the back, it's worth it to him. And they're not

599
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: making a lot of money at all.

600
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so do you think this is a

601
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you just said it's kind of

602
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: like a pipeline or you make a couple of calls

603
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: to the UFL. Do you think the new Arena League

604
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: could be a pipeline to the NFL. Have you seen

605
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: some guys with that talent that that can play up there?

606
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: Not really, not really. I think, you know, a guy

607
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: may show something to plays, but then you see why

608
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: why he's in the in the Arena League, you know,

609
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: because so, but the one kid I call about, this

610
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: kid man was and come to find out, I didn't notice,

611
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: but he was in Kansas City's training camp and decided

612
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a track guy. So he left

613
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: to train and then wanted to come back. You know,

614
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: the league. Don't play that, You're not You're not. Yeah,

615
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, right. So, and but this kid was

616
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: extremely talented, you know what I mean. I thought that,

617
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: but I knew why he was where he was because

618
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: of what he had done, you know what I mean.

619
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Speaker 1: And so I think I think he is in the

620
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: uf L. I can check on that. But but this

621
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: kid was was pretty good. But I hadn't really seen

622
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: anybody that, uh, you know, if I saw a defensive

623
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: lineman and we only got you know this year, we're

624
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one on one offense you know, one

625
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 1: office along one defensive that's gonna be pretty interesting. Uh

626
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: but you know, so we see a lot of dB

627
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: type guys and and and receivers and all that. So

628
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: that's basically what I'm looking at.

629
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Speaker 4: So after you retired, you did TV, and so did

630
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Speaker 4: doing TV like help you smooth out that transition? Because

631
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 4: you talked about it, less than two percent or two

632
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: percent actually get to retire from football on their own terms.

633
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: Football usually retires.

634
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: All of us at some point, and so you know,

635
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 4: everybody has to deal with the transition in different ways.

636
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: And that's why we like to have this conversation with

637
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: some of the greats. How did do and TV help

638
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: alleviate or help you.

639
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: In your transition? So let me let me go back

640
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. So when I tore my knee up,

641
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: the doctor told me, Tim man, this is really bad.

642
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: You know, this is something that we don't see. I

643
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: tore my mediocollateral off the bone and my post seria

644
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: crucier exploded. Right, So they literally brought my hamstring down,

645
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: tied it all it or not, and said, hey, let's

646
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: see what we got. And but he told me, he said,

647
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: if you make it five years it's going to be

648
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: a miracle, you know. So and he even said this,

649
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: he said, uh, this is your second here, this is yeah,

650
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: this is my second year. Yeah. Oh wow, I didn't. Yeah.

651
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: So he said that great note of day education you have,

652
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: you may need to think about using it. Right. So

653
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm in the hospital room. Bro, he

654
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: just you know, he just walked out the room. I'm

655
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: having surgery in a few minutes. And this is what

656
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: this man tell me. Right. So the great thing about

657
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: that brother is it started my transition then, because I

658
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: realized this man just told me I got five years.

659
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: You know.

660
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: So I started a shoe company. I had a shoe

661
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 1: company kind of had a company called pro Moves. Who

662
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen wore my shoes, Willie gaulf Eddie Anderson, Steve

663
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: Berline gonna wore my shoes. You know. We were selling

664
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: in foot Locker and Athletic Express. We were selling all

665
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: over the place until one of these big companies. Man,

666
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: they did they did me dirty, bro, they did me dirty.

667
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: We didn't have no we didn't have no brothers doing

668
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, I could have had what's his name, Jackson,

669
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: but he was he was too much money at the

670
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: times ain't paying. But so yeah, we got ran out

671
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: of man, literally ran me out of ran me out

672
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: of every I mean, went to Footlock and said, hey,

673
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: either you want our shoes or you're going with these

674
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: pro moves which one. And they was like, and they

675
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: had told me Footlock had told me, hey, this is

676
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem because they told me this too.

677
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: This was ninety two. They said, the world is not

678
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: ready for a minority shoe company. This was before the

679
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: timberlands and all that stuff. We had Timbolans, before tibulus.

680
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: We used to say they took our tibulus. But yeah,

681
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: so you know you had all that to you had

682
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: all that to to to transpire. Man. So when I

683
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: got to year five, I was like, I feel great,

684
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know what I mean.

685
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, I'm thirty and I

686
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: was like, I feel good. I said, you know so.

687
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: But I was always thinking today could be today, Today

688
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: could be to day that you know, my negro out again,

689
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think from that standpoint,

690
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: my positions started so early. When I got to the

691
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: point where it was really time, I want to want

692
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: to do when to say it was easy, because leaving,

693
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: leaving your boys, leaving the locker room is never an

694
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: easy decision at all.

695
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: Uh.

696
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: But but let me tell what happened to me. So

697
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm retired. I'm working for a Fox Sports net. Uh,

698
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: me and Eddie George and uh the only white cornerback

699
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: in the league at the time, you know what I mean? Yea,

700
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: why y'all know that because he's because he's the only

701
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: white guy they got one. But I'm just saying, at

702
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: that time, the Seahorn, Right, So, so we we have

703
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: the show Man, so much fun and whatever. So we're

704
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: we're taping on Thursday nights, right, Well, and this was

705
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: the first year that the NFL started playing on Thursday nights.

706
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: Right.

707
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: It just so happened the Raiders were playing New England, right,

708
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: And I didn't play for the Raiders my last year.

709
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: I played for Tampa Bay. Right, the Raiders came out

710
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: the locker room, brother, and I broke out in a

711
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: cold sweat. I mean, I couldn't talk. I mean I

712
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: was just like, I was like in a panic movement.

713
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't I could not figure out why I was

714
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: sitting where I was sitting and not on the not

715
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: coming out that locker room. I couldn't figure it out,

716
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: and they were talking to dude, we're gonna call paramedics

717
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: if you don't saying you know. And finally after a

718
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: couple of minutes, I was able to say, hey, I'm

719
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I had I got up, man, and

720
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: I had to walk around the room and tell myself,

721
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: you chose to be here, this is where you need

722
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: to be. You know. I had to literally talk to

723
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: myself because I couldn't figure it out. I mean, I

724
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: had that moment, brother, Literally I thought I had lost

725
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: my mind because I was in a place that I

726
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be. I was supposed to be right there,

727
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: Come am I here, You know what I mean? And

728
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: so you know, if I go through that, If I

729
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: went through that, I certainly understand how other guys go

730
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: through this transition thing too, man. But thankfully for me,

731
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, because of that injury, it got me to

732
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: thinking about my transition a lot sooner than maybe a

733
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: lot of other players. Do you know, so did that

734
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: make it easier? The entrepreneur?

735
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 3: The five year talk right there or in your fifth

736
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: year or having only five years left. Did that make

737
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: it easier to was it the eighty one Logistics Group?

738
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: Did they make it easier to be a part of that?

739
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: And I also see that you are a minority fuel

740
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: transport company you work with that as well. Did that

741
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: make all like just getting in the business, but that

742
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: makes that easier for you?

743
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: So anyone LG is eighty one Logistics Group, So that

744
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: is the whole minority fuel. So I just started that

745
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: just I mean eight years now we've been doing that.

746
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: But and that just came about because some brother came

747
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: up to me and said, you know, when I say brother,

748
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: I'm I mean black. This was the white brother came

749
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: up to me and say, look, man, I need your help.

750
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of companies who need

751
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: minority vendors or whatever, and they're none here. So take

752
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: a look into it. I had just gone into the

753
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame the year or two prior. This was sixteen.

754
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: I actually signed up in seventeen. But and so one

755
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: of the head guy at one of the largest field

756
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: transporting companies in the country was also is also the

757
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: CEO of the largest trucking trucking company in the company.

758
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: And I had done a lot of events with seven

759
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: eleven and so the CEO there, man, I called him up,

760
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, had his number eight. Man, this is what

761
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at doing. He was like, Tim, if I

762
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: can help you, I'll help you. So they were going

763
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: to help us with supply. I had the transport, so

764
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm about to go solve this minority deal.

765
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: But it was a lot of you know, even before

766
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: what's happening now. And we got out of the DEI

767
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: business before all this happened because we saw it coming down,

768
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: because it was it's not real business anyway, right, it's

769
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: all a front business. So uh so we started doing

770
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: things internationally. So that's that's that's going well for me.

771
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, look man, yeah, I think that,

772
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, because I started everything so early that I

773
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: didn't have that moment of of well, I didn't have

774
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: consistent moments of oh my god, what am I gonna do?

775
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: How am I gonna do this whatever? Whatever? You know,

776
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: I was able to push through it because I started

777
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: when I was twenty three. Yeah, you know, I started

778
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: thinking about it when I was twenty three, you know,

779
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: and I think from that standpoint, you know, it just helped,

780
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, you never would think a catastrophic injury would

781
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: help you with your transition, but in this case, it did.

782
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: It does it gave me one of my best friends.

783
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: I tore my acl he toy is too well and

784
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: we became best friends. Cauld we just react.

785
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: Well, that's just what happened. Yeah, we're gonna take a

786
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: short break and we'll be right back.

787
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: I want to ask you something because you've always stood

788
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 4: out to me, not only because your speed, not only

789
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: because you played for the Raiders, and everybody has an

790
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: opinion of Out the Raiders, whether you.

791
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: Like him, love whatever, he got, an opinion of.

792
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 4: The the finger tape because you were one of the

793
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: only receivers when all the receivers start going from buttneked

794
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 4: hands to receiving gloves, you still just did the heavy

795
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 4: taped hands.

796
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: And oh school, and your fingers look good today because

797
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

798
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: So, I've seen Tory Holt's fingers. I don't know if

799
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: you've seen it.

800
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: Gang signs.

801
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: He's got some of the worst. Ready, Yeah, he's got

802
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 4: some of the worse. And so shout out to Tori.

803
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I love you, yeah, absolutely, But could you

804
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 4: made me talk to us about how that came about

805
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 4: why the finger tape and how you just stayed with

806
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: it and never put on the gloves.

807
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: So I was not a glove guy, right, I was

808
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: never a glove guy, but never never, not even never.

809
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean only time I would put him on is

810
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: when we played in super cold weather, right, So I

811
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: know it. It may have happened at Penn State once

812
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: or twice when I got in the league. I think

813
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: in ninety we went to Buffalo and I put him

814
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: on or whatever, but this is what happened. So I'm

815
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: returning punts, right, and I have on gloves, and I'm

816
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: in Buffalo at the time, and Tasker, man, I hate

817
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: that hate that guy. I love hate him, but I

818
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 1: hated him. You know, I'm trying to, you know, catch

819
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: the ball and slide the ball back in the pocket,

820
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: and then that split second is you gotta it's got

821
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: to happen quick well with gloves, because the gloves are

822
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: so tacified. You actually got to use your offhand to

823
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: push the ball. I mean, all this is happening like that. Well,

824
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: if Tasker is there, all it takes to him just

825
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: storing his hand in the mix, and you fumbled the

826
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: ball and I fumbled the ball, and then a couple

827
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: of weeks later, I fumbled again on the punt and

828
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: I had on gloves and that was it. Because of

829
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: my mind, it couldn't.

830
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: Be it's the gloves, gloves. It's not Timmy.

831
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: It's got can never be his fault. It's got to

832
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: be gloves. So I I had dislocated my middle fingers

833
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: in my rookie year, so I was already taping those

834
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: under my gloves. I was taping my middle fingers. And

835
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: so the first game or two, I think, I went

836
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: out and I just had those two fingers saving I

837
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: was like, well, we do, you might as well tape

838
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: them all right, And so I just saw taping both

839
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: joints on both on both hands and cold or not.

840
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: I never went back to never go back to the

841
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: gloves because I would wear those that little warmer and

842
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: I had to hand warmer things in there, and they

843
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: were really you know, cheat code, to be honest with you,

844
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: because it would get wet and your hands would almost

845
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: get sticky. But that's between us, right, yeah and all

846
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: your listen now. But yeah, so I mean I never

847
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: had an issue again, you know, so, uh when when? Uh,

848
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald passed me and something don't whatever, you know, he

849
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: passed me everything. But his people tagged me in a

850
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: post that they had and they said, today, uh, Fitzgerald

851
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: passes Tim Brown and d and we're sending his gloves

852
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. Right. So I hit him

853
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: back and said, I didn't have any.

854
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: Gloves never flex on the one sign. Oh yeah, what

855
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: do you say to that? You don't You can't say

856
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: nothing respect disrespect? Yeah, say what you're saying.

857
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: I with you.

858
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: You don't have to because I gotta be smart because

859
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: I think you hit that beat. Yeah, that was It

860
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: was like a slight, silent dig.

861
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: Right.

862
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: So uh, I just want y'all to know. I may

863
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: could have sent some old tape, yeah, but I know

864
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: you have to go.

865
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: And I know peanuts got one last question.

866
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: But I want to know this from you because once again,

867
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be able to ask you this all

868
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 4: the time. And I want to get this on tape

869
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: because I want evidence of it. Your Tim Tim Brown's

870
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 4: top five NFL receivers of all time.

871
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Go, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

872
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: Now I want to know, because like you could be

873
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: in there for some I want to know your top five,

874
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: and it's okay to say yourself.

875
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: Look, I prefer to put yourself in there.

876
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: Look, Jerry, I don't care what people say about whoever.

877
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: There's never going to be anybody who has all the records,

878
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: the longevity and the championships. There's nobody's gonna do that.

879
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: Somebody may get more championships, they may get more catches,

880
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: they ain't not gonna play twenty years, so you can

881
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: throw that out. But so I think, you know, no

882
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: matter what you say about whoever, whoever, Jerry is number one.

883
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I think Randy Moss changed the game, no doubt. I

884
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: think he changed the game. I think when he came

885
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: in all of a sudden, these small forwards who wasn't

886
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: doing anything on the bat spoke, hey, I know somebody

887
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, So I think he changed the game. I

888
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: think Terrell Warrence was the hardest playing receiver that I've

889
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: ever seen play the game. I mean, he played the

890
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: game at such a physical level. I saw him and

891
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: Charles Woodson go at it, uh you know, at a game,

892
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: and you would think that I mean they were, I

893
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: mean because Chaws never backed off of them. They were

894
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: and it was like, man, this Charles Man great you

895
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: look up, Well they brother had twelve or like one fifty.

896
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: You know.

897
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like how did that that? I Woson was

898
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: on on the whole.

899
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: You know.

900
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: But but I just think he's the most physical, uh

901
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: guy that that ever that ever played the position. It

902
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: gets a little tougher for me. Yeah, you know, I

903
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: love Chris, and you know I think Chris was great.

904
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: Uh but Chris was a great possession receiver. You know

905
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: Chris Carter. I mean he he was great around the

906
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: end zone. He was great around you know, could always

907
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: make the plays. But he wasn't gonna get you a

908
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: five yard and turn it into fifty. You know, he

909
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: was not that guy. You know. But look, man, uh,

910
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: I I joke with these guys all the time when

911
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: we get together because everybody want to talk about it.

912
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, look who would have traded with

913
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: Tim Brown? Who would have traded with me?

914
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: Jerry?

915
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: I was traded with you bro traded all day two

916
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks, Sign me up. You know what

917
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean? I had to trade with Randy Moss. Chris

918
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: Carter should be a part of that. You got Randy

919
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: Moss or Chris Carter ed reed, Yeah, hey, sign me

920
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: up with that, you know what I mean. Michael Irvin, Oh,

921
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: of course I put Michael in there. Everybody Michael, Hey,

922
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: I tried to line up for that. I told Michael, Michael,

923
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: I want to complay. Don't you come down here. Michael

924
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: was like, glad you told me. I'm going to tell

925
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: Jerry right now. That was in ninety three. Me and

926
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: Jerry we all at the Pro Bowl, and I made

927
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: made the mistake. I went to Michael. I said, Mike, Man,

928
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: look man, I want to come home and play. Say

929
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: I'll play second fiddle. And that's not what it's all about.

930
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: I just want to be oh no, oh, you know, Michael,

931
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: you ain't coming down here, you ain't coming there. So

932
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: uh yeah. So you know, I just think Michael, Michael

933
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: when I think that physicality thing. He was up there too.

934
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: He was a beast of a guy. Uh But I

935
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: would have traded places with any of those guys, but

936
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to trade places, you know what I mean?

937
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: And uh so you know, people say all time, Tim,

938
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: what would you have done if you hey, hey, I'm

939
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: not trying to go down that road. The biggest compliment

940
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: compliment I think I was ever given was by Jerry Rice.

941
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: And he didn't do it publicly. It was just me

942
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: and him, and he came up to me and he

943
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: said it was in a practice. You know. This was

944
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: about five games into his first year there, and he

945
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: came up to me and he hugged me and he said, man,

946
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: he said, I don't know how you did what you did,

947
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: but he said, the fact that you did what you did,

948
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, makes me respect you even more. And you know,

949
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: it was almost what I'm serious more was like, but

950
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: I got to practice, man, I can get the practice.

951
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: But because you know, because he realized at that time

952
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: that the Raiders organization was a little different. They did things,

953
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: you know, compared to you know, what they had done.

954
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think when you get that

955
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: kind of you know, pat on my back or you know, nods, man,

956
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: you make you realize, Okay, you know I did all

957
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: I could do. My boys recognize it. You know, when

958
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: your boys recognized that, you know, forget anybody else, you know,

959
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: forget everybody else. You know, Uh, the media don't ever

960
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: have to say it, you know. Uh, I got a

961
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: I got a cousin man a couple of years younger

962
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: than me. And he, you know, of course, followed my

963
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: whole He was in l A when I got to

964
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: l A. And he he has DVDs with every one

965
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: of my catches on my whole career DVDs.

966
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: Brother, that's the worst.

967
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: That's yeah, you ain't got nothing to play it on.

968
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: Well and uh so, and he is like a big

969
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: time music type guy. He does all this stuff, so

970
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: he has a platform. And every once in a while

971
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: he'll go Tim Brown heavy and he'll just lay it out,

972
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, he'll do all the stats and all that stuff.

973
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: Man.

974
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: And and uh I was Chris Man, just back off,

975
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: but just it's okay. He said, no, no, they need

976
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 1: to know. They need no cousin need to know. Cus

977
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: So anyway, but I didn't finish my five, but I'm

978
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: gonna be in that top five. So I respect that.

979
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: I respect that. I respect I was at three, but

980
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: I'll put Michael in there. But look, man, the fact

981
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: of the matter is again, that had twenty quarterbacks. Bro.

982
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: It's like you played for Chicago twenty quarterbacks. You know,

983
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be another Hall of Famer to make

984
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: it to the league. Betwenty I think Chris Fitzgerald was

985
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: at fifteen, sixteen and something like that. But I mean

986
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: seven head coaches, you know, thirteen you know, office court,

987
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But we got it done.

988
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: You know that. That's the whole deal. Brother, And I

989
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: think from that, you know, whether or not anybody ever

990
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: puts me in the top five, I always get the

991
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: honorable mentioned, right, I always get the you know, the

992
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: top five, the honorble mentioned Tim Brown, you know what

993
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: I mean, right, But it's all good. My last question

994
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: is Mount Rushmore. It's four people.

995
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 3: If you had four people to put on Tim Brown's

996
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: personal Mount Rushmore, who would those four people be? Just

997
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 3: during my time or it's just an influence who you know,

998
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: from the time you were born to today?

999
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: Right, you got four people?

1000
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: Probably? Number one, if I can do it as a combo,

1001
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: would be my parents, my mom and dad, you know,

1002
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: but special people. You know. My mom is still a

1003
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: live thankfully. My dad passed a few years ago. You know.

1004
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: I can get into many stories about why. But you know,

1005
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: just I think that's a number number one for me.

1006
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Number two, my big brother Man over oversaw all this, right,

1007
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: he's eight years older than me. He you know when

1008
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: I thought taking money from colleges was a good thing

1009
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: at sixteen years old, because they'd be in my basketball games.

1010
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: They tell me, go go see Peanut in the corner,

1011
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: Go see Roman over here. Roma got fifteen hundred dollars.

1012
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: You know, Peanut got. I'm thinking, I'm I'm balling, I'm

1013
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: big balling. Yeah, you know. But he was the one

1014
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: to take the money from me and get the money back,

1015
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, because we weren't going to be those people,

1016
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: right man, you're looking back on that, it was like, man,

1017
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: that's that took something that took deep inside of you

1018
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: man to be able to to have that kind of mentality. Uh.

1019
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: He over oversaw all the agent thing you know when

1020
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: you coming out, and just enabled me just to go play.

1021
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about that. And plus I

1022
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: got kid folks, you know I have to worry about.

1023
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: So I would have to put him in in that too.

1024
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would be my pastor. Yeah, you know,

1025
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: I think at an age man, where I was ready,

1026
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: I had a pocket full of money, I was in

1027
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: la I was ready for it, and my pastor kept

1028
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: telling me God has only put you in this position,

1029
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: so you can turn it around and give it back

1030
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: to him. I was like, Pastor, what I want to

1031
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: hear man today? Many to live? Just tell me to

1032
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: go ahead, man, going out there, but not see you

1033
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: when you get back, you know. But he constantly told me,

1034
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: and I don't think. I think without that my walk

1035
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: would have started even later than what it did, because

1036
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: I think I would have always said with Pastor, you

1037
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: told me passor you told me I could do. You

1038
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: told me, you told me. But because he didn't, I

1039
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: think when I was starting my transition at twenty five

1040
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: twenty six, I always had his ringing in my ear

1041
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: that yeah, and so so from a spiritual standpoint, I

1042
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: don't think I would be the man I am a

1043
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: day if I had, you know, if I those words, yeah,

1044
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: And I think numberfore man, and I don't mean for

1045
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: her to be number four. But my wife came into

1046
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: the situation in the heat of it, yeah, you know.

1047
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: And if she would have came in doing this rolling

1048
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: a deck telling me what to do, it would have

1049
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: been I think a different tim would have would have

1050
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: shown on the field. And instead she came in and said,

1051
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: what do you need me to do? You know right,

1052
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: I need you out of the house on Saturday afternoon.

1053
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm good with that. Matter of fact, I'm going shop

1054
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, So I'm really good with that. You know.

1055
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: She was good with that, you know what I mean.

1056
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: But I think that she was so humble about making

1057
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: sure that I had what I needed and it wasn't interrupting,

1058
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, because come to find out, you know, at

1059
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: thirty you're thinking, okay, well by the end, well I

1060
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: played that was thirty eight, Yeah, so long time, So

1061
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I just think

1062
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: her ability to understand and respect the fact that I'm

1063
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: not trying to be some crazy guy, but I just

1064
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: need this is what I need, and this is what

1065
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: I gotta have you do, And and she was she

1066
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: was willing to do that. I mean, I we we

1067
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: did vows of twenty five years a couple of years ago,

1068
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: and and I didn't make it through it.

1069
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: That's good.

1070
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't make it through it because I was

1071
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: trying to explain to her how important that was and

1072
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: how what we're standing on today we may not be

1073
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 1: standing on if you would have been a different girl,

1074
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I think for sure,

1075
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, I have to have on Mount Rush school

1076
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: though she's more than she's more than qualified. We can

1077
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: edit all this.

1078
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 3: We'll edit all this and make her number one. Yeah,

1079
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 3: We're gon edit all this and make her number one.

1080
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: I think My last quick follow is is it true

1081
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: that your mom always wanted you to not play football?

1082
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: Did she try to get you to quit?

1083
00:54:59,440 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: Very true?

1084
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: Very true. I mean she never knew that I was playing.

1085
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: You know, I was my freshman year. You know, you

1086
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: played football at four o'clock in the afternoon, so you know,

1087
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: if I got home at five thirty six o'clock with

1088
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: no big deal. My second year, I made the varsity

1089
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: football team. But I was in a marching band my

1090
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: freshman year, so she wasn't tripping on that. But then

1091
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: I had like the best first four weeks, you know,

1092
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: and they named me Sophomore Sensation or whatever, and so

1093
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: all of her friends, like Timmy's in the paper. So

1094
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: she's looking at life section, what did you do? What

1095
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: did you do? And I was like, Mama, maybe you

1096
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: should look at a sports page. But she saw that

1097
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: and she was again, my mom is a deeply religious one. Yeah,

1098
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: and felt like that football and sports in general, what's

1099
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: the Devil's workshop and she hadn't want me or any

1100
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: of her kid has been involved with and all the

1101
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: kids had played I was the youngest of five. Everybody

1102
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: had played sports. But it just seemed like to me,

1103
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: to her that this thing with me was a bit

1104
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: a bit deeper. And uh yeah. So so Notre Dame

1105
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: came and they said, uh, well this is a five

1106
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: year academic scholarship. So he had to practice one week,

1107
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: but if he chooses not to play football, he'll still

1108
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: have a scholarship. And she was like, oh, this is great,

1109
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: this is great, Timmy.

1110
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know anybody that gets to go

1111
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: to school and decide whether, you know, we just go pay.

1112
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: For this is crazy. So anyway, but yeah, man, and uh,

1113
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: of course, my rookie, you have a great year break

1114
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: Gale says. The records all this stuff. The second I

1115
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: get hurt, oh you know, it was oh yeah, you

1116
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 1: gotta retire now. And I know I got to go back.

1117
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: I prove that I could do, you know, and uh

1118
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, every year I would come home and I

1119
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: stayed with them until almost I got married, and uh

1120
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: but every year I came home, she was like, well

1121
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: are you are you are you gonna retire now, It's like, oh,

1122
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep going. So but she she's good. She's

1123
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: good now. You know she was happy when I retired

1124
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: at almost thirty nine years old. I love that.

1125
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, so well, Tim, Man, appreciate you. Yeah, Man, thanks

1126
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 4: so much for such man joining us.

1127
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: Man.

1128
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 4: Look, I just really appreciate anytime we get great ones

1129
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 4: around us because you naturally pour into us, and then

1130
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 4: we get to go out here and share these stories

1131
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 4: with all of our viewers and listeners out there, and

1132
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 4: it's really pouring.

1133
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: Back into them.

1134
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 4: The same thing that your pastor told you when you

1135
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: first got out to LA, because I've been in that

1136
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 4: LA lifestyle too, so I totally get it. In respect

1137
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 4: it man, I really appreciate it. And you are definite

1138
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: top five of all time. So congratulations to that with

1139
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 4: all your quarterbacks too. All right, thanks Tim again, and

1140
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 4: for all of our viewers and listeners out there. Wherever

1141
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 4: you pick up your podcast was Apple podcast, iHeartRadio app

1142
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 4: make sure you give us a five star rating, leave

1143
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 4: a review, make sure you comment, like, subscribe, and also

1144
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 4: you look us up on the NFL Channels.

1145
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: YouTube YouTube channel. There we go. If trying to get

1146
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: that right.

1147
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 4: And now make sure you tell a friend to tell

1148
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 4: a friend to do what Pe done. My friend, check

1149
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 4: us out, man Pina's get us up out of here.

1150
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: Hey I'm Penut, That's Roman and that's Timmy And this

1151
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 3: is the NFL Player's second X podcast were out