1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcomed Aaron Manky's Cabinet of Curiosities, a production of I 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Grim and Mild. Our world is full 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: of the unexplainable, and if history is an open book, 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: all of these amazing tales are right there on display, 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the Cabinet 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: of Curiosities. The life of a professional musician is a 7 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: tumultuous one. Rock star biographies are full of stories about 8 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: their lives on the road, waking up in a new 9 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: city every day, their families left behind as they work 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: their way towards superstardom. But not every band makes it 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: to the top, and some need to make serious changes 12 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: to even come close. The Beatles famously replaced their original 13 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: drummer Pete Best with ring Go Star when it became 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: clear that Best wasn't a good fit. When singer Robert 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: Lamb and his friends first formed their group in nineteen 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: sixty seven, they called themselves the Big Thing until they 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: transformed themselves into Chicago Transit Authority the following year. One 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: year after that, they shortened it down even more to 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: the name they're known by today, Chicago Change. As you see, 20 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: is common for a band, and sometimes it can be 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: the difference between obscurity and success. Roger and Nick knew 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: that in England growing up during the nineteen forties and fifties. 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: Roger was something of an athlete, growing up playing cricket 24 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: in rugby for his high school teams, while Nick went 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: to college to become an architect. They moved in together 26 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three and formed a rock band a 27 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: year later with another pair of friends. They called the 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: group Sigma six. That was before they were named The 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Mega Deaths, The Screaming Ab Dad's, Leonard's Lodgers, and the 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: Spectrum Five. Finally, they settled on what they had hoped 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: to be their final name, The t Set. Roger played 32 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: lead guitar, with Nick on the drums. Their buddy Richard 33 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: played rhythm guitar, while two other members, Keith and Clive, 34 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: sang and played bass respectively. Eventually, Keith and Clive split 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: off to start their own band in nineteen sixty three, 36 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: leaving Roger, Nick and Richard to find two replacements. Now 37 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: as The t Set, the group often rehearsed in a 38 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: basement tea room at the college that Roger, Nick and 39 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: Richard attended. They would then go out at nights and 40 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: play various clubs and private engagements, building up their repertoire songs. 41 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: Late nineteen sixty four saw The t Set join a 42 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: local London hot spot called the Countdown Club. In residency. 43 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: They would start playing late at nights and go until dawn, 44 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: rocking out over ninety minute long sets. They had a 45 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: problem though, Playing for such a long time meant that 46 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: they had to repeat songs in each set. To avoid 47 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: this problem, the guitarists began taking longer solos in each song, 48 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: adding enough to buffer them to let them complete their 49 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: sets without any repeats. Audiences liked it, and it helps 50 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: solidify the t Sets sound. As they worked their way 51 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: up the club circuit, they started recording some of their 52 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: tunes in a studio in West Hampstead and getting more gigs. 53 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: It was one performance in particular, though, that would change 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: the fate of the group forever. It was a coincidence, really, 55 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: They were set to play on the same tickets as 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: another band calling themselves of all things, the t Set 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: in a Panic. Vocalist and guitarist Rogers sought inspiration in 58 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: his record collection, specifically from some albums by A couple 59 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: of prominent blues musicians. The first was an album by 60 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: a guitar player named Pinckney Anderson known as Pink. Born 61 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: in Laurence, South Carolina, in nineteen hundred, Anderson had come 62 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: up playing at medicine shows, performing for crowds while Snake 63 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: oil salesman pitched their questionable wears. The other album featured 64 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: a blues guitarist named Floyd Counsel who hailed from North Carolina. 65 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: Counsel was a busker and specialized in playing the Piedmont Blues, 66 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: which was big in the South. And Roger wasn't a 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: string jurs to nicknames. His full name was Roger Keith Barrett, 68 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: but everyone knew him as Sid. And he took Pink 69 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: Anderson's name and Floyd Counsel's name and put them together, 70 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: changing the t set into something else entirely the Pink 71 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: Floyd sound. Later on, Barrett, Roger Waters and Nick Mason, 72 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: David Gilmour and Richard White shortened their name to simply 73 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: Pink Floyd and went on to make music history. They 74 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: released fifteen studio albums and twenty seven singles over the 75 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: course of their career, entertaining audiences all over the world 76 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: with their psychedelic and progressive brand of rock and It's funny. 77 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: Even though several of the band's members met while attending 78 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: architecture school, it was clear that in the end they 79 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: would build a wall, and they didn't need no education 80 00:04:45,920 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: to do it. Celebrity deaths are always hard to take. 81 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: When beloved actors, singers, and comedians pass away, it feels 82 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: like losing a part of ourselves too. We grew up 83 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: with them, watching their movies or listening to their albums. 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: Their work becomes an integral part of our lives, and 85 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: so when they inevitably die, it's hard not to feel 86 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: like the light of the world is just a little 87 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: bit dimmer. But scientists and doctors have been working in 88 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: ways to reverse death, or at least postponent. One of 89 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: the most well known concepts is called cryonics, a scientific 90 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: field in which living tissue is preserved at extremely low temperatures. 91 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: And we've all bumped into the concept before in countless 92 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: sci fi TV shows and movies such as Futurama, Idiocracy, 93 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: and Alien, where someone is placed into a deep cold 94 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: sleep and woken up decades later, or in the case 95 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: of Alien, when a murderous space creature is loose on 96 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: a ship. But yes, the idea of freezing and preserving 97 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: a human body does sound like science fiction. However, it 98 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: has been accomplished new furst times over the years as 99 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: experts continued to research and develop the technology. For example, 100 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: a fourteen year old girl in the UK who died 101 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: of cancer several years ago petitioned the courts to allow 102 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: her body to be cryo preserved until a cure could 103 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: be found. In two thousand twelve, baseball legend Ted Williams 104 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: had his head surgically removed postmortem. It was stored separate 105 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: from his body by a cryonics company in Arizona. And 106 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: there was also Dick Claire, a television writer and producer 107 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: who worked on programs like The Bob Newhart Show and 108 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: the Facts of Life. Claire died in nineteen eighty eight 109 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: of complications from AIDS, but was cryonically preserved in Arizona. 110 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: Along with many others, but one celebrity death has been 111 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: synonymous with cryonic preservation since his death in nineteen sixty six. 112 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: He was an entrepreneur, an animator, a business mogul, and 113 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: an icon. He created what is arguably the most recognizable 114 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: character in the world and two of the most successful 115 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: theme parks in history. Obviously, I'm talking about in another 116 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: than Walt Disney, who succumbed to lung cancer at the 117 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: age of sixty five. Of course, Walt Disney was a 118 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: futurist who anticipated a time when holmes ran automatically, with 119 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: robots handling things like vacuuming and mopping, not unlike the 120 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: future we enjoy today. Some of the original tomorrow Land 121 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: attractions at Disneyland were called things like the Monsanto Hall 122 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: of Chemistry and the Bathroom of Tomorrow, exhibits where visitors 123 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: could see how companies were planning to advance our world, 124 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: from the chemicals in our food to where we brush 125 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: our teeth every morning. So it's no wonder that when 126 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: Disney passed away in December of nineteen sixty seven, rumors 127 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: quickly spread about what had happened with his body. Those 128 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: rumors seemed to kick off in early nineteen sixty seven, 129 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: just a few weeks after his death. You see, Disney 130 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: had been being treated for his cancer at St. Joseph's 131 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: Hospital in Burbank, California, which sat right across the street 132 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: from Walt Disney Studios. After he died, a reporter with 133 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: the National Spotlights, a tabloid ragnell for publishing salacious rumors, 134 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: allegedly pulled off some entertainment espionage for a scoop. According 135 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: to his report, the reporter had dressed up as an 136 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: orderly and snuck into a storage room. They're preserved in 137 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: a massive metal container was the body of Walt Disney himself, 138 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: waiting to be revived at a time when his disease 139 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: could be cured. Over the years, the stories about Disney's 140 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: cryonic corpse only grew. They even worked their way into 141 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: several biographies about the late animator, painting him as a 142 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: man desperate for a cure by any means necessary. And 143 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: there is some truth to that notion. Disney was terrified 144 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: of dying and often worried about his premature death, especially 145 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: when he was depressed, although he kept many of his 146 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: personal feelings close to the vest. According to one biographer, 147 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: Walt had asked his older brother Roy not to let 148 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: anyone know about his cancer. As for the circumstances surrounding 149 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: his passing, those were kept secret from the public for 150 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: hours after he had died. The fact that only add 151 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: it to the mystery of what doctors or scientists might 152 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: have been doing with his body. Some people believe that 153 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: Walt Disney is currently being stored beneath the Pirates of 154 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: the Caribbean Ride at his California park, waiting until he 155 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: can be resurrected to live on his remaining years as 156 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: the head of the company he co founded. But the 157 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: truth he was cremated as per his wishes. There's no 158 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: cryonic chamber nor top secret storage facility under Disneyland. Walt 159 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Disney created one of the most successful companies in history. 160 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: That is his legacy. All that other stuff about his 161 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: body being frozen in perpetuity, that's just a rumor and 162 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: one that needs to be put on ice. I hope 163 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the Cabinet of Curiosities. 164 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts, or learn more about 165 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: the show by visiting Curiosities podcast dot com. The show 166 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: was created by me Aaron Manky in partnership with House 167 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: of Works. 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