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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ben and Brian. Today I am joined by Great

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Speaker 1: Chad Mendez. Chad Mendez is a man that you may

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Speaker 1: know from his exploits in the fighting game. He's a

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Speaker 1: UFC featherweight fighter with a record of eighteen and four.

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Speaker 1: He's had some some legendary fight start his career. He's

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Speaker 1: currently in the midst of a comeback. He's gonna fight

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Speaker 1: in UFC two thirty two Saturday December in Vegas against

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Speaker 1: one Alexander Volkanovski. But that's not really the reason I

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Speaker 1: sat down with Chad. I met Chad a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago on a Turkey camp at John Dudley's place

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Speaker 1: and was was immediately stricken by like just how cool

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Speaker 1: a duty was, how much fun we had together, how

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Speaker 1: much he really cared about while meat, wild animals, wild places,

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Speaker 1: all the things that I and you care about. So

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Speaker 1: I figured for all these reasons, he's a great person

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Speaker 1: to talk to. Um. He has a good angle on

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Speaker 1: being a celebrity outside the hunting space and having to

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Speaker 1: deal with speaking about hunting to a broader public, and

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Speaker 1: this heighting his awareness around what he says and does

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Speaker 1: what his goals are. So, without further ado, Chad Mendez

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Speaker 1: from Sacramento, the at his gym, getting ready to punch

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Speaker 1: it up UFC two two Enjoy no pressure. Chad Mendes,

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Speaker 1: How you doing, sir, I'm doing great, man. I'm here

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Speaker 1: in Sacramento. We're about a week and a half out

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Speaker 1: from my fight. Yes, the biggest fight of my life.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, every fight is the biggest fight of my life.

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Speaker 1: But with no small thing to be taking some time

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Speaker 1: out to sit with my dumbass and talk about hunting

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Speaker 1: different things, Like I could talk about hunting all day.

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Speaker 1: That's like, I know you're back fighting. I mean it

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Speaker 1: took took a break for a while and you mostly

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Speaker 1: just hunted, right, I mean like, yeah, So I started

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Speaker 1: a business called Finns and Feathers, and basically what it is,

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Speaker 1: we call it like a celebrity outdoor service and we

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Speaker 1: take people on different hunting, fishing, crazy trips all over

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Speaker 1: the world, Like we go to New Zealand, we do

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Speaker 1: stuff in Mexico for fishing, and just all kinds of

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Speaker 1: stuff in the United States. Um, and then we have

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Speaker 1: like twenty different celebrity pro staff members different UFC fighters.

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Speaker 1: You have some PBR guys, pro basketball, baseball, football player,

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Speaker 1: just kind of a mix of a different group of people,

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Speaker 1: and all of them absolutely love hunting, love fishing, love

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Speaker 1: the outdoor. So we'll get a group of people, send

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Speaker 1: them on, say like a mule deer hunt in Utah,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll put one one or sometimes even two

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Speaker 1: of our celebrities on the trip and they're in there

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Speaker 1: hunting with all the hanging out and hanging with them

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Speaker 1: hanging out. Yeah, it's it's cool, man. So we launched

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Speaker 1: that launched that um back in the into two thousand fifteen.

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Speaker 1: So it's done well for you, right, what kind of

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Speaker 1: fishes that? Yeah, it's been awesome man. Just being able

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Speaker 1: to travel and and not only just make money, doing

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Speaker 1: something in the outdoors is like a dream of mine,

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Speaker 1: but doing it with so many people that share the

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Speaker 1: same passions that I share you. So it's it's been awesome.

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Speaker 1: I feel very blessed to be able to do it.

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Speaker 1: Certainly looks awesome from the outside looking in. What's your next?

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Speaker 1: What do you got playing? I mean, your season just

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Speaker 1: about over. You get any like after your fight, you're

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Speaker 1: you gonna you know you know right back to Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's like a week and a half, two weeks,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm straight to Ohio. I usually do a

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Speaker 1: late season white till hunt with my buddy Zack Singler

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Speaker 1: out there, um, and he leases some farms and he

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Speaker 1: actually owns a couple of farms that I mean, the

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Speaker 1: guys completely ate up with hunting like we are just

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Speaker 1: eats breeze sleeps it like he'll he'll buy a property

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Speaker 1: and just completely set it up for hunting. That's it,

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Speaker 1: like no house on or anything, you know. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I just go out there with him and we'll run

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Speaker 1: for like four or five days and then go straight

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Speaker 1: to the A T A show. Yeah, go fight somebody

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Speaker 1: my type of paradise. I'll take it im me too,

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Speaker 1: me too. Well. I mean we're in the gym, we're

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Speaker 1: in ultimate fitness here in Sacramental gym sneaky old gym. Um.

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Speaker 1: You spend a lot of time in here in the

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Speaker 1: pushing my body the limits. That's all done. That's that

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Speaker 1: I feel good. My weights on point using a new

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Speaker 1: UM diet system that I haven't used before. UM and

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Speaker 1: I've felt unbelievable this entire camp. So what's what's the

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Speaker 1: diet system? Um, It's called RP Strength is the company

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Speaker 1: that set it up for me. But it's so for me.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, so you get up in the morning,

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Speaker 1: I'm eating very clean, Like there's a very strict list

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Speaker 1: I can use all my wild game, you know, all

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Speaker 1: my fats are very UM clean fats, you know, avocado,

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Speaker 1: So for me, what that's done is forced me to

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Speaker 1: It's such a regiment you're so locked in. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: Actually that's what I just had before I came up here.

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Speaker 1: probably don't want it to get too big because I

425
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 1: just don't want it to get too much. I don't

426
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: want to turn into work, you know what I mean,

427
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: Like it's perfectly is like if you make good money,

428
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: Like it's not too difficult and it's a lot of fun.

429
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 1: So if I could keep that like that and then

430
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 1: continue working with as many companies I do now in

431
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 1: the space, UM, you know, my dream would be to

432
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: create content, you know, keep growing my YouTube channel, um,

433
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: keep doing stuff on all social media, and just keep

434
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 1: moving forward. So yeah, what how's you think about? I mean,

435
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to to chop up, like

436
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: how you display your hunting, how you talking to people

437
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 1: about hunting, how you use your fame from the UFC

438
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: and you turn that into um, you know, a good

439
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: slice of the hunting world for yourself, is there a

440
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: way you want to approach it, like, you know, thoughtful illness,

441
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: and like how how do you see that going? I

442
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: think the teaching is what is what's so um interesting

443
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: to me. Like for me, when I started fencing feathers,

444
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: obviously people knew me as a fighter. Um, you know,

445
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: I've been hunting and fishing my entire life. But obviously

446
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: people knew me as a fighter and didn't know that

447
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: that was something that was so passionate about. So after

448
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: following me for a few years and seeing that, you know,

449
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: and especially when we started Fins and Feathers, we got

450
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: hit up by a ton of people asking, you know,

451
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: how do I get into hunting. I've never hunted before.

452
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: I see you hunting, I see you eating all this

453
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: amazing wild game. I want to do this, like I

454
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 1: want to have a freezer full of meat? How do

455
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: I start? And I think for me, and this is

456
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: kind of something we've talked about, is growing fins and

457
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: Feathers almost into like a little academy like how to

458
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: learn how to hunt, you know. And I have a

459
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: buddy that's actually doing it from field to plate is

460
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: his Instagram. Um, Jeremymon and he's he's I think that's genius.

461
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 1: Like just taking people and teaching them how to hunt,

462
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: how to process the animal um in the field, how

463
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: to process the animal, to cut it up to create

464
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: the meat, and how you prepare it. Like that's all

465
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: amazing to me. Like being able to teach people that

466
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: and just see the excitement that they have when it comes,

467
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: Like I totally understand what that excited feels like. And

468
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: seeing them for the first time go through that, Like

469
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: I absolutely love that. So if there was a way

470
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: that I could do that, you know, keep growing my

471
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: name and being someone that a lot of these people

472
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: that have never done it before kind of look up to,

473
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: and that I could kind of teach them the ways,

474
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: like I would love to do that. Yeah, And then

475
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: you can do the verse too, right, I mean, with

476
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: your platform and what you've been able to do um

477
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: in your career, you can shine the light on hunting

478
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: in a way that a lot I can't other folks

479
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: can't that come from the industry and are trying to

480
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: grow in just just inside the instry. I mean, you

481
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: bring a whole another subset of people to to bear

482
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: for hunting. I mean is that. Have you had any

483
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 1: troubles with that trying to to do both things, you know,

484
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: if anybody's come at you, like while you're killing those

485
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: poor animals. I mean, of course, like when I first

486
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: started doing it. I mean I actually when I first

487
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: started fighting, and I I signed with my management team,

488
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: and you know, we're growing the Chad Minda's brand in

489
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: the fight world. You know, I started to dabble a

490
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: little bit with posting the hunting and fishing, and you know,

491
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: people told me I wouldn't do that. You know, it's

492
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: gonna open a big can of worms and can't build

493
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: a brand. At first, I didn't really do it. You know,

494
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: I kind of shot away from it, and I just

495
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: finally got to the point where I'm like, look, this

496
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: is me, Like I absolutely love this, This is who

497
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: I am. I don't want to like hide from it,

498
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: like I'm not embarrassed about it. Like I absolutely love this,

499
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: Like this is something I truly believe in. I'm going

500
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: to start posting it. So I started posting, you know,

501
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: my kills and what I was cooking with it, and

502
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: like you know, all that stuff. And right off the bat,

503
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: of course, you know, people blow up and they don't

504
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: understand it. They've never seen it from me posting it before,

505
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: and it's it's something that's so disgusting to them. So,

506
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think over the last probably four or

507
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: five years now, I've just weeded out or even change

508
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: some people's minds. I know that in the beginning, I

509
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: would kind of go back and forth with people trying

510
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: to explain myself, and once I think I explain things

511
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: a little bit better to them, there was a lot

512
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: of people that were like, wow, I've never thought of

513
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: it like that. That's awesome, Okay, I appreciate you explaining it,

514
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, um, And then you still get the occasional

515
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: people that don't care and they just want to hate him.

516
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: But it takes some courage in your position, with all

517
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: you would have to lose if something would go wrong

518
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: with that, you know, like I said, trying to build

519
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: a brand, trying you know, to remain relevant in a

520
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: sport that's you know, that's harsh, and a lot of

521
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: ways in an environment that's harsh, like being having enough

522
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: courage to come out and say this is who I am.

523
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: You know, it sucks that it takes courage to say

524
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: that about hunting. And some of your just sucks not

525
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me, And it sucks, but

526
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: it's real and you can't skip over it. Even in

527
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: this discussion when you started changing people's minds, he really

528
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: wasn't around one portion. I imagined the meat was probably

529
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: the easiest way to exactly, And I think people people

530
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: don't And there's the people that don't understand and they think, oh,

531
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: this is just a hobby, and it's like, no, this

532
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: isn't a hobby for me, Like do I enjoy it? Yes,

533
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: I absolutely enjoy it, but this is how I live

534
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: my life, Like this is a lifestyle for me. Like

535
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: I would rather fill my freezer with a big old

536
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: wild boar then go to a h grocery store and

537
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: buy pork from a package, you know, like I don't

538
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: want that, Like am I against eating it? No, I

539
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: eat it, But I would rather go and fill my

540
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: freezer with a big wild page opportunity exactly. And so

541
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: I think explaining that to people changing some people's mind

542
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, cooking the food, you know, when I would

543
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: show the meat hanging like this isn't me just killing

544
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: this pig and leaving it out there, like taking a

545
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: picture with it, hi fiving someone and walking away like

546
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm doing. I'm butchering this thing, like

547
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of meat that's coming off of this.

548
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: And then I show, you know, me creating some some

549
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: amazing mills with it, you know, and I think that's

550
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: the pictures of that. And just I put videos of

551
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: me doing like how toos on how to cook certain

552
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: things on my YouTube, and I think people start realizing

553
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: that and they're like, wow, okay, yeah, I get it too,

554
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: I get it. Well, it's all it's it's it's frustrating

555
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: in one way that that you have to do that,

556
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: but it also it also like that descent also forces

557
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: you to do, like it forces you to be more

558
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: aware of what you're up to. You know, if if

559
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: if there wasn't anybody questioning it, you might just post

560
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: a group and grin and go about your day exactly.

561
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: You're like, man, I gotta like I really care about

562
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: this thing. I'm gonna My response is to become more

563
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: positive and to put more good stuff out there and

564
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: to try to convince people even more so. In some ways,

565
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: like it sucks that it it goes down that way,

566
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: but it's good because it forces you to have a better,

567
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: more codified opinion, uh and and way of doing what

568
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: you're doing exactly. And I don't feel bad explaining, like

569
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: some people absolutely hate, Like I have other buddies, like

570
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: why do you even explain yourself? Like you screw them,

571
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: like just ignore them. You have a lot of people

572
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: that will hit me up, like wait, why do you

573
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: even care? Well, I do care. That's the thing, Like

574
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: I want them to understand. Like sometimes you change their mind.

575
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're just too thick headed and they don't want

576
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: to understand. You know, that's their own issue. But if

577
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: I can show somebody that thinks hunting is just absolutely

578
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: horrible and show them why I'm doing it and then

579
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: change their mind, like that means so much to me,

580
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: Like I enjoy doing that, you know, if I can

581
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: explain to them why we do it. You know, obviously,

582
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: like I said, you're gonna still gonna get the people

583
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: that don't care. But like I don't mind informing. And

584
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't mind, you know, I don't I don't mind

585
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: showing these people that just don't understand. And I get

586
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: that there's things that I've thought. I'm so guilty of

587
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: this but even growing up, there's things that I've thought,

588
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, something so horrible, and then when I actually

589
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: learned about it, I'm like, oh, that's not bad at all.

590
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 1: Why did I ever think that was bad? You know?

591
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: And so I'm guilty of I I totally understand what

592
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: that feels like. So I'm just gonna explain it and

593
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: if if they get it, and hopefully they do, that's awesome.

594
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: If they don't, well, the important thing that I think

595
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: you're getting across here even is that you're not changing

596
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: what you're doing for anybody. You're not going like, oh

597
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: I'll do it differently because you don't like it. You're going, okay, wait, wait,

598
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: how can I explain this better? How can I then

599
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: come to communicate with you a little bit better? So

600
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: you get what I'm talking about here, because obviously there's

601
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, several um big time oxymoronic notions with them

602
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: like I love this thing when I killed it delicious,

603
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's just what we should, you know. So

604
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: what it's almost like to me, it's like I didn't

605
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: really choose it. It just came to me, and it

606
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: was like I can't get out of it now. I'm

607
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: too wrapped up. I love it too much. No, I agree,

608
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: you can't. You usually can't. Do you ever think about

609
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: those like those big why questions with yourself, Like because

610
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm around the same age and and

611
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: I grew up hunting and came to like at some

612
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: point in my life, I was like, yeah, man, but

613
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna do it the way

614
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: I did it yesterday. I don't know if I'm gonna,

615
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, just shoot spikes of my rifle like I

616
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: did when I was a kid. And I started thinking

617
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: a lot about why I do certain things, and a

618
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: lot of people I listen to this podcast, you don't

619
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: know that. That's that's kind of the reason this exists.

620
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: So we can then ask why, like people can learn

621
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: your story and then ask like if you ever ask yourself, hey,

622
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: why do I do this? Why do I really do this? Um?

623
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: Because it's it sounds like people are want to hear

624
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: that from you. They want to hear your why. Yeah,

625
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean I I definitely asked myself that quite a bit.

626
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: You know. There's certain things as far as just hunting

627
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: in itself, you know, and there's a lot of people

628
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: the comments things that I hear from people that sometimes

629
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: make me even second guess myself. I'm like, why, you know,

630
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: why am I doing that? But you know, I choose

631
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: to eat me that bottom line, that's why I do this,

632
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: you know. And for me, it's do I love killing something?

633
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely not Like It's not like I I crave murder

634
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: and death. You know, it's not what hunting is about

635
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: at all for me. Um, And I don't think that.

636
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's what it is for

637
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: most people. But um, you know, being in the outdoor

638
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: sharing memories. Like I was just telling my wife this

639
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: the other day, and I've been in camp, I've been

640
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: my My life is so routine right now. You know.

641
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: I get up in the morning, I eat my food,

642
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: which is you know, I'm cramming down, going to work out,

643
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: come back, eat again, rest, eat again, go to practice,

644
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: come back. You know, it's the same thing every single day.

645
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm just like killing myself very routine. And I was

646
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: telling Abby, I think it was yesterday. I was like,

647
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: I saw commercial. It's funny as the area commercial on TV.

648
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen the new ones, but

649
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: at the end, these guys are like just sitting around

650
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: the cowboys, you know, and they're they got the sun

651
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: setting in the background. I think they're drinking coffee or something.

652
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: They're sitting on a on a fence, and it was

653
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: just absolutely beautiful scene, you know. And I'm like, man,

654
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm craving adventure right now. Like she's like, what do

655
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: you mean. I'm like, I just I crave that, Like

656
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: I want to be somewhere with the sun rising and

657
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: it just being beautiful, like absolutely beautiful, and me sitting

658
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: there listening to nature. Like I'm like to me that

659
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: it's something I'm craving right now. I want to get

660
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: out of this routine, Like I want to go fight

661
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: and beat this guy up and then I'm back in

662
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: the woods, you know. So here's my plan. I'm gonna

663
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of this guy back in the woods.

664
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: How about the cage back in the woods? Man. Now

665
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: that's a good thing to think about. I mean, I

666
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: always think this is something that we've been talking about

667
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: a lot lately. It's like why what why does killing?

668
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: Why is killing gratifying or why do people think that's

669
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: what it is? Right? Because killing is when you do

670
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: finally achieve the thing that you were after it's a

671
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: task at hand. It's a task at hand, you were successful.

672
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: That's why there's some gratification. A lot of on hers

673
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: show it like you and I move hunting together. Like

674
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: when when something dies, you're like, yeah, dude, congratulations. We

675
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: say congratulations like like it's not something didn't just die.

676
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: So there's this this weird dichotomy that people don't understand.

677
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't. I'm not mad at

678
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: them for not understanding. Kind it's a pretty complicated. It

679
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: is thing very complicated to do. Do you ever think

680
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: about that? Is that's something that you like try to

681
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, when you're on social media or just when

682
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: you're with people that are new to it, Like, how

683
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: do you describe that kind of thing? Yeah, it's tough,

684
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: and that is one of the things it's very hard

685
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: to describe because it's if you don't I guess, if

686
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: you've never done it, it's it's very hard to understand.

687
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: But you're right. We we feel successful, like we we

688
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: harvesting animal, kill an animal. You know, the the goal

689
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: has been achieved, Like we've practiced our butts off. It's

690
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: like me going through an entire training camp. My goal

691
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: is to get in there and beat this guy. And

692
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: when I get in there and I beat the guy,

693
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cell it. I feel good like I just

694
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: worked my butt off. You're not celebrated because his face

695
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: got I just, yeah, I just beat the crap out

696
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: of another human being. And I'm like, yes, you know,

697
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: but I that was the task at hand. I was

698
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: successful at the task at hand. So I feel good

699
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: because I worked hard. And it's the same thing in

700
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: the outdoor world. You know, I'm I'm practicing with my bow,

701
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm practicing with my rifle. You know, I'm learning how

702
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: to be sneaky. I've gone through many, many, many failures,

703
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: many failures, and so when it finally comes together, it's

704
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: the task hand that's the goal. You're successful. You feel good.

705
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: The death part of it, obviously, is not something I'm like, yeah,

706
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: I killed something, you know, it's not That's not the

707
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: part I'm happy about. I'm happy because I'm successful. I'm

708
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: happy because I know now I have something very delicious

709
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: that I can eat like, and I'm excited about that.

710
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: Our turkey hunt. I was just thinking about this on

711
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 1: the drive over here, like, how awesome was that trip

712
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: at Dudley's like killing wild turkeys. We would process them.

713
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: We've go out fine Morrell mushrooms and create just amazing

714
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: mills drinking some whiskey. Like how awesome was that you

715
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: shot the wall? I did you the all the arrows

716
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: still stuck over there. It's like a trophy for the

717
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: dud dud house. Yeah, man, that's I would. I can

718
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: talk about turkey on all day. It's for turkey anyway.

719
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: I feel like Morrell mushrooms, springtime turkeys, the fucking feeling

720
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: of being out in the woods, like you're you know,

721
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: probably not here inside incremental, but like everywhere else I've lived,

722
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 1: it's like gets cold and gets shitty, things like come

723
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: alive and you're ready. You're kind of a little bit depressed,

724
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Like March comes okay, okay, come on can turkeys? Yeah,

725
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: look at three weeks we're coming. Man. It's like that

726
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: happens that and then you get to go experience like

727
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, new life in the woods, like when we

728
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: were doing that. There's these levels and layers to hunting,

729
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: Like one layers like me and you and dud and

730
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: Tursten and all those guys hanging out and having a

731
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: great time connected by this thing that that bonds us all.

732
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: We're all from way different the areas of the world,

733
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: way different upbringings, way different entries into hunting where we're

734
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: a guy from Germany who's only hunted one day in

735
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: his life. It doesn't understand what we're doing. He's awesome,

736
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: we got Dudley is a lifelong guy. Like, we're all

737
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: from different corners, but we come together. It's not it's

738
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: not a problem. There's nobody like, well, let's let's feed

739
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: each other out first. Like you're immediately happy to be there,

740
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: immediately happy to be with each other. And I think

741
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: it's just all that's all interconnected. It's not. It doesn't. Um,

742
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen like that in other areas. No, No,

743
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: I agree, Like it doesn't happen even right now, because

744
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: if we're not hunting. No, this is like it's not

745
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, you walked out there with all my teammates.

746
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's no connection at all. It's it's

747
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: just you know, yeah, I'm not gonna have that feeling

748
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: were walking to hunting camp. Everyone's there to do the

749
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: same thing. We're all having a good time. Dude, I've

750
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: been in so many and then you get you know,

751
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: when you and I would you will see each other

752
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: at a trade show or some ship like that, it's

753
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: like the bro hugs just a little bit rock. It

754
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: just comes in harder, you know, Like, man, remember we

755
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: talk when you're like met a guy in head dinner,

756
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: and it's like it's not the same. Good to see you.

757
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: You look nice, that's great with Honey's like, what's up.

758
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: So that's just another thing that that is so much

759
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: different from the inside than it would look from the outside,

760
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: you know. And we had fun in that camp, man,

761
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: We took so much, took some legendary photos of but

762
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: like even those things from the outside looking in, like

763
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: look at those good balls. But because we were enjoying

764
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: each other's company and having a great time, we're eating

765
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: morals out of the tregger smoker and turkey breast. And

766
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: it's like, even though I think it's it should be

767
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: illegal that Dudley can win his own we gotta talk

768
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: about yeah own farm. Yeah he can't, he can't. That's cheating.

769
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: We get there. He clearly is stacked the deck against

770
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: he knows all the biggest toms are hanging out. Yeah,

771
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: he keeps taking over you go right over there. I'm

772
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: gonna be over here in the go ahold, don't worry,

773
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: there's no big turkey and bam, like it's happen like

774
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: inch and a half spurs. Yeah, it's like fifteen inch

775
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: beerd come on. That's and then he gives himself a

776
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: belt that he purchased. Yeah, and then we know about

777
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: all about John Dudley. I'd like to I might sneak

778
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: in there this year and just scrab tech and like

779
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: show up and pop out from behind the Bible. Do

780
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: you ever feel like um archery hunting? I had. I

781
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: went to this big ran about archery hunting turkeys recently

782
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: about and I was like, man, I just can't. I

783
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: like hunting with a bow, but like turkeys, I just

784
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: there's just so many reasons why not to take a bow.

785
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that? Because I have thought

786
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: about that, and I've I've missed quite a bit. In fact,

787
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: I've actually hit them and lost them. Yeah, probably more

788
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: than any animal that I've ever hunted. With it so hard.

789
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you're shooting melan and then has

790
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: oscillly like moving feathers and you know they're strutting going

791
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: out of strut. You know, it's hard. I mean that

792
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: arrow has to penetrate basically a wall of feathers and

793
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: thin bone to get to the vitals, and the vitals

794
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: are kind of moving around in the in the target

795
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: zone a lot. So yeah, a lot of dudes. We

796
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: are wounding turkeys. And I've gone on several rants on

797
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: this podcast about let's think about that. Let's think about

798
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: that hard. I love archery hunting, but maybe this is

799
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: the time in the face because I don't eat the face.

800
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: It's true. And that's another thing. The only thing that

801
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: sucks with archie unless you use one of the what

802
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: of the guilty cut the head off, you know, it's

803
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: either a complete miss or they're done, which I think

804
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: is genius. The only crappy thing is you've got to

805
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: specifically set them up with the longer arrow and you

806
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: gotta kind of move some stuff around on your bow.

807
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: But you know, it works. It works gruesome activity. But

808
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: so is shooting him with a shotgun and them in

809
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: the head. So whatever, I mean, those things equate to

810
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: each other. But you're right, I mean, that's you know,

811
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: you're shooting up I don't even know what the cutting

812
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: diameters on these, but it's long six five six inches

813
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: that I would imagine. Um, that would be the one

814
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: time where I'm like, that's you're either most cases there

815
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: you're either missing or cutting it right off, cut its

816
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: head off. Um that's you like said, it's not a

817
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: good visual, but it's effective. Nonetheless, doesn't even matter to

818
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: me at that point. They do fly a little different too.

819
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: So my wife, Um, she wanted to kill. She'd her

820
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: archery hunted. She wanted to kill a turkey for her

821
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: first bow kill. So I got a real you know,

822
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: dialed it all in, got it set up like we're

823
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: gonna use one of these, so it's either clean miss

824
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: and I didn't want her wounding it and then you

825
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: know that's not finding it, her being turned off from

826
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: hunting and all that. Yeah, for sure, So I wanted

827
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, we tried shooting that dause she missed I

828
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: think three times at like twelve yards, and I mean

829
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: I I put one of those things on my bow

830
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: and it was shooting all over the place. You know,

831
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: they're not You gotta really fine tune them. You can't

832
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: just screw one of those on like a like a yeah,

833
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: And that's another like another point that I always makes much.

834
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: I love these things and much. I all love archeries

835
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: that there is. You know, it's hard to start hunting

836
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: with a bow. It's working hard, it's not easy. It's

837
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: much easier to like get the killing under your belt.

838
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: You know, I even remember, I'm just getting used to

839
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: the situation. Yeah, um, I remember driving into Turkey camp

840
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: with with old Turst and and um he said something like,

841
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware in his German acts, I wasn't aware

842
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: that you could wound animals. All I saw on social

843
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: media was guys liked and campaign's killing them. I wasn't

844
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: aware that they got wounded, and I was. I guess

845
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: they's very lucky for him. He was a one shot

846
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: one kill him. That was his first first thing he'd

847
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: ever kill. But he you know, he's a fan of

848
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: Dudley's in a record executive out of New York City

849
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: and you know, an urban night for for lack of

850
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: a better way to describe him, a fucking wonderful dude.

851
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: He's amazing. I wish he was hearing he's amazing. He

852
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: would be, but yeah, I mean his his um. His

853
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: explanation of that was something I brought up and let

854
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: other conversations like I met a guy who was introduced

855
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: primarily by social media to hunting, which is is a

856
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: is a relatively new thing in our generation, Like people

857
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: are learning about hunting through social media. It's a weird

858
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: lens with which of view it. And he had just

859
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: never run into like hey, wounded one never and never

860
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: heard of that. He's on his first hunt and it's

861
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: after he shoots his turkey and it runs off with

862
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: an arrow in him in it. He ends up finding

863
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: it pretty quickly, but it's in the moments between shooting

864
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: it and finding it that he realizes this thing could

865
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: get a waste, think could get away. And it's not

866
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: a cut and dry situation. And this is not he's not.

867
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: This is a very successful human being in many ways,

868
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: Like he's not he's not dense. He but it's just

869
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: how we present hunting and matters. It's crazy. Yeah, I

870
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: guess I've never thought of it, but yeah, I mean,

871
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: if you've never been around it before and you've only

872
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: seen it on social media, that makes me it could

873
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: distort it a little bit. To see these guys like

874
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: Cam Hanes and Too Good, it's their fault. It's their fault.

875
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I I think I think turkey hunting and

876
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: I think the kind of type of turkey hunting that

877
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: we did just as a as a big group is

878
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: so much fun. It's my favorite thing. If this year,

879
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna try to kill um, this may be good,

880
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: something good for abby, especially when you might have a

881
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 1: little one walking around. Um. Sure. My wife keeps buying

882
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: would buy chicken right from the store. She's like, I

883
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: can't just be eating elk meat all all year, you're idiot,

884
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: um white meat. You got to get that white meat.

885
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, okay, like I shot at turkey.

886
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, but we ate that in a couple

887
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: of weeks. Okay, Well how many more turkeys? Thinking of

888
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: my brain, I'm like, how many more turkeys do I

889
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: have to shoot? So we don't have to buy this

890
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: chicken from the store. Not that I don't like Mr Purdue,

891
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: but fuck him for now. Like, I don't try. I'm

892
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: not try to go hume um. And so that's why

893
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: the last two years I've tried it, I was like, oh,

894
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: if I killed twelve turkeys, that would be it just

895
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: travel around. Yeah, but you can do it. Yeah, yeah

896
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: you can do. We can kill five here in California. Yeah,

897
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: you can kill four in Texas, five in California, kill

898
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: six in Montana if you'd really get down dirty. Um

899
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: So I think this year, I'm really going for it.

900
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm going And I've thought about that too, because yeah,

901
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: I be said the same thing, like we have all

902
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: the red meat that we could ever want, and it's

903
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: the white meat we run out of turkey to my

904
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: favorite thing doing is a slow cooker with it and

905
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: just shredding the rest. But she, um, she's like, yeah,

906
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: I gotta get I need chicken, so she'll buy like

907
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: the organic, free range chicken. But that's not cheap dude.

908
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: Nitrates and launch meat like this is just it's like

909
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: it's it led me to gardening and different things like

910
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: that too, because I'm just trying to like hunting has

911
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: led me to be, like I'd like to take what

912
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: hunting is and transfer that eating. Yeah, that's a goal

913
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: of mine. Yeah. Yeah, we just were our houses right now.

914
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: We're in a cul de sac and we're surrounded by

915
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: these huge vintage oaks and there's zero sunlight in my backyard,

916
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: like just shade, like all the time. So we've tried

917
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: growing a garden. Everything gets about, that's all, and doesn't produce.

918
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: It's like done. So I don't know. I mean, we're

919
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: eventually probably gonna move from We both really like Utah.

920
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: I would love to move to Utah. Um, she's from Missouri.

921
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: That's something we've talked about, but I would rather do Utah.

922
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: We have a lot of friends that lived there, were

923
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: friends and well, I mean the men. I moving to

924
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: the west myself being from the East Coast and have

925
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: bounced around a little bit over the last couple of years,

926
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: moving around for jobs and stuff. The West was always

927
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: something that I've watched on TV. It was always I

928
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: remember thinking, I'm well, elk, I'll never run Elk, that's foolish.

929
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: You have to get away across the country that never

930
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: be able to afford or I have the time to

931
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: do that. And now I live in a place where

932
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: everywhere and everywhere so everywhere. Just come on out, dude,

933
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm there. I've talked about it. So I went with

934
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: my buddy Max uh he. I was talking about the tinderling.

935
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: Did we did the commas? You get the sheep tag

936
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: elk tag into deer tag I ended up getting a

937
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: dough where I was at like one of the last days,

938
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: Like I missed like a three forty bowl, just a

939
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: big herd bowl. Um Max missed the bowl and we

940
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: were just like tucking our tails between our legs. I'm like,

941
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: I want, I need to bring some meat home. So

942
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: I ended up taking a dough and uh, and that

943
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: was all we got out of three three hunters. So

944
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: it was a pretty tough time, but it was very

945
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: game rich. We just sucked you and me both. But yeah,

946
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: I mean I think you get to a point where

947
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: in that state, like the fact that you just said

948
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: I had a sheep tag and ilk tag and hic

949
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: so great. Like to me, I just want to like

950
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: giggle with like a child Christmas morning. And I took

951
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: a lot of breaks from hunting this fault to get

952
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: my family move, to do all that stuff and get

953
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: the new job kicking. But um, I was like, I

954
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: just keep telling people for the next thirty five years,

955
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt the West like a madman. There's just

956
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: no this endless. It's endless out there. It's beautiful, man.

957
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: I mean, did the elk population out there? I mean,

958
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: you said you have my bison running th year. I mean, yeah,

959
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: not far from my front doors. Yellowstone Parks. I mean

960
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: everyone was in a while, and I'll just drive twenty

961
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: minutes and there's we lived right in the mouth of

962
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: uh the Gallatin River runs through the Galaton River Valley

963
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: and then to Custer Galaton National Park or not Custer

964
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: Galton National Forest, and I mean it's it's shifteam mansionary

965
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: door and you're in this like high walled canyon and

966
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: then there's signs like sheet crossing way. Yeah there's a

967
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: uh no, but I have I have yet to like

968
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: I might just go there with sixer, sit there and

969
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: look for sheep because that's my dad. Would you and

970
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: my dad would come and I'd be like that, you

971
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: realize that I live in a place where there's like

972
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: I could walk, I could hike up and find sheep

973
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: whenever I have a minute. It's and it's so I'm

974
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: sure you're like me, It's like you live in a

975
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: place where that isn't the case. You want to be

976
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: there more than not. So I think my wife would

977
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: end up leaving me because I'd just be out there

978
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: doing all that all the time. I've told my wife,

979
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: like we gotta come up with a weekend. What can

980
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: I do? Yeah? What did I do? What can I

981
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: make sure? How can I make sure you're looking happy?

982
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: Get your honey dues in. I'm gonna go play and

983
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: look for sheep. I know. Yeah, I'm taking this six

984
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: pack of PBR and I'm kind to find I'm going

985
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: to look glass up some sheep that I can't kill.

986
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think I look forward to

987
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: run around the west. Um. And so there's the other

988
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: questions I want to ask you, but a lot of

989
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: them are around those why questions, Like I think that's

990
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: what interests me the most right now, just in this podcast,

991
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: people that listen, it's it's a cross section of everybody,

992
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: and everybody has their own wise and why they do things.

993
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: But you ever think about, you know, we talked about,

994
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: you know, killing is gratifying, right with what's the why? There?

995
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: We know you and I know with the why, but

996
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: it's just kind of letting it out for people. The

997
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: next step to that, and the next question I always

998
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: asked myself is like why do I desire the trophy?

999
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: Like the word trophy gets weapon tis and you certainly

1000
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: can't really go out and use it like, Hey, I

1001
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: went on the trophy Alcohn. That immediately changes whether you're

1002
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, five people that follow you like immediately changes. Um.

1003
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: But to me, the trophy isn't just the antlers, it's

1004
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: it's the experience, it's the it's the meat. Um. But

1005
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: the next level that is me asking myself and asking you, like,

1006
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: we desire that, sure if and we desire to show

1007
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: people that that we I think that desire could like

1008
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: is problematic because a lot of people will say there's

1009
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: intrinsic motivations, which is like, just for me, I'm doing

1010
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: something because it makes me feel right, And there's extrinsic motivation,

1011
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: which is it's it's for other people. I'm doing it

1012
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: because other people like to see me or might like

1013
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: to have seen it. Um. How do you balance that?

1014
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: Because I mean, you have a big social media following,

1015
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: you have, you have celebrity and many ways, and you're

1016
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: trying to tell your hunting story. How do you balance

1017
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: you know that why the desire to to finish off

1018
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: with the Yeah, I think that right there is probably

1019
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: the hardest thing for people that don't hunt to understand

1020
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: the the trophy part of it. Quote unquote trophy part

1021
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: and like that term gets used all the time in

1022
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: my in my comments, like you're just a trophy hunter.

1023
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: Well what does that mean? Like if it means that

1024
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: I'm searching for the most mature animal, like, yeah, then

1025
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm a trophy hunter because in in this in this world,

1026
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I don't want to go out

1027
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: and shoot a one year old or two year old deer.

1028
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: A there's less meat, you know. It's I want this

1029
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: animal to be able to grow up and become mature

1030
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: so that now that thing can spread its seed and

1031
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: and keep the population growing. Um. You know, there's quite

1032
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: a few things with it, but it is a tough

1033
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: one to try to explain to people that don't hunt

1034
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: and don't want to understand. But um, for me, I mean,

1035
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: it's it's going out searching for the most mature animal. Um.

1036
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: And sometimes that's the bigger animals. Sometimes that's not. I

1037
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: mean I've killed you know, I think my six year

1038
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: old I killed the Ohio buck last year's like six

1039
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: six and a half year old buck, you know, which

1040
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: is a mature dear. It was like a hut, Like

1041
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: it's not like a giant by any means, but I'm

1042
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: happy with it. You know, I killed him with my bow.

1043
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: I went out there, I had a couple of days

1044
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: to hunt, and I have some amazing meat my freezer

1045
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: from it. You know, like that is a trophy hunt

1046
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, you don't ever feel pressure two. And

1047
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: I think this, this would be a question you'll be

1048
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: uniquely suited to answer, like pressure to celebrate one more

1049
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: than the other one who comes, like celebrating the antlers

1050
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: and celebrate the meat. Like do you feel like, well,

1051
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: if I just celebrate the meat more people give me

1052
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: less shit if I just you know, take one trophy

1053
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: photo and like meat meat meat, Like how do you

1054
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: balance that messaging and with you know, those motivations are

1055
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: are interesting to me because it becomes like how do

1056
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: you balance what people want to see and what you

1057
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: want to say? I mean, for me, it is, Yeah,

1058
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: it's a balancing act. I mean, I gotta do both.

1059
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean I have to show people that if I

1060
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: if I only posted a trophy picture of me grabbing

1061
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: this deers ant leer and taking a picture with it

1062
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: and don't say anything about the meat, that's when I

1063
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: get people that are like, oh, I hope you didn't

1064
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: just leave that there after you took that photo. You know,

1065
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: people that just don't understand, They just don't get it's

1066
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: a great hobby you have. Like, okay, so now I

1067
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: have to explain to these people, like I'm not just

1068
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: killing this animal to take a photo of it and

1069
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: then walking off like this is. And so then usually

1070
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: I do either a picture of me processing it or

1071
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: showing all the meat all processed, like look, this is

1072
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: my buck that I just killed. Now this is all

1073
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: coming home with me to fill my freezer. And then

1074
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: I show me cooking that meat. You know. I think

1075
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: the balance between those three things is what makes at

1076
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: least for my following, makes people understand, Okay, this is

1077
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: why he's doing this, you know. And so there I

1078
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: like showing off what I've killed, you know, And this

1079
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: is the toughest part to explain. But it's not because

1080
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm proud that I killed this thing, like I murdered

1081
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: an animal. You know, I'm not proud. I'm not trying

1082
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: to say that I'm proud because I was successful. I

1083
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: put in the work. This was my task that I

1084
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: was trying to succeed at, and I'm successful. You know. Yeah,

1085
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: that's what I appreciate it from knowing you is that

1086
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: like we have you have fun, you enjoy life, you

1087
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: enjoy hunting. It's what drives you in a lot of ways.

1088
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there's immense respect for the animal,

1089
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: for the people that like representing them in in in

1090
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: a way. So, um, I've always appreciated that things, buddy, Yeah,

1091
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean I it's like I said, outdoor. The outdoor

1092
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: lifestyle is my ultimate passion, like absolutely love it. I've

1093
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: done it since I was a little kid, falling my

1094
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: dad threw the woods, you know, chasing a little blacktail

1095
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: bucks up in this this Sierras, you know, and being

1096
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: so excited going up for the week end and just

1097
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: camping with my dad and my brothers, and you know,

1098
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: growing into that type of lifestyle from a little kid

1099
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: to where I'm at now, Like that's my life. This

1100
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: is what I love to do, you know. And someone

1101
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: actually just left the comment the other day and he said, like, oh,

1102
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: you just got some money and now you think you're

1103
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: a hunter. It's like, and I've been doing this since

1104
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: i was a little kid. This is this is my

1105
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: lifestyle week as the surface level bullshit, it's crazy. Yeah,

1106
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: now you get it. Yeah, that's what I said. People think, Oh,

1107
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: now you're famous and you have money, now you get

1108
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: to kill being animals Like that is not. No, I don't.

1109
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't tolerate that. It's like, dude, it's it's you

1110
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't like, yeah, you wouldn't exactly, you'd be like, no,

1111
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: I'm good because I've worked hard my whole life. Let's

1112
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: say I do a lot of public land hunting too, Like,

1113
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: let's not get that confused. I do a lot of

1114
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: public land hunting where I go out and ay, I'm

1115
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: either skunked or I'm very successful. Like it goes both way.

1116
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: We've all been there. We all hunt public lands. Do

1117
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: I hunt a lot of private property? Of course? But

1118
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: and have I bought tags before? Of course I've worked

1119
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: my whole life, killed myself in the gym and in school,

1120
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: like I have a college degree, Like I've been through

1121
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: all that, Like I know what hard work, what it takes,

1122
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: like I've done it. And now because I'm successful and

1123
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: I have some money that I can afford that tag, Like,

1124
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: of course, I'm gonna know. You're supposed to keep doing

1125
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: it like you did it when you're a little kid.

1126
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: Ye have it. Yeah, that's the whole point of working hard. Yeah,

1127
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: that's something that's bullshit. Um, I think you have to

1128
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: go pretty soon, right, you have to go. Um, you

1129
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: got you have a UFC fight, But I feel like

1130
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: to finish off your like I want so you're fighting

1131
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: a gentleman named Alexander Volkanovski. Correct. Um, I want to

1132
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: play Alexander and I want you to talk ship to me. Dude,

1133
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm the worst that I just want to be like

1134
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: fucking Chad Mendez. I'm gonna punch you in your face,

1135
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: all right, listen bad Janowski. Oh oh, I see how

1136
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: it is. Don't make me. Uh dude, I'm I'm bad.

1137
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm so bad at talking ship, trying to do that

1138
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: they do and I hate it. I'm like, I can't

1139
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: do it. And they were like, well, we can't really

1140
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: sell this fight unless you're they want it, man, they

1141
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: want they want the Connor, they want you know they

1142
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. It's it's selling a fight,

1143
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: but it's not me. It's not who I am. I've

1144
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: never like being a wrestler. Like my dad's always taught me,

1145
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: you be respectful, and like I don't. I don't have

1146
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 1: to be a complete asshole to show that I'm tough,

1147
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: Like I know I'm tough. I know what I can do.

1148
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't need to show you it and let you

1149
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: hear it with my mouth like I'm going to show

1150
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: you when we step in the ring, generally show it.

1151
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: You generally do the walking less of the talking. I

1152
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: thought maybe we would get like fuck you, but he

1153
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: came through. Um, well, good luck, dude, Thanks, thank you

1154
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: for sitting down with me. Good luck on Saturday. Ninum,

1155
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: is it in Vegas? It is Vegas. Yeah, it's at

1156
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: the the t Mobiles at New Arena and the New

1157
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: Arena and ves Well, wherever I am, I will have

1158
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: a drinking hand and I'll screaming at the television when

1159
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: you knock out Vaginovski. And after we're gonna get yeah,

1160
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: and the Turkey season come down the pipe. Yeah, thanks brother, Yeah,

1161
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: thank you. That is all. Chad Mendez, thank you, my

1162
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: friend for taking a short time. He was in between

1163
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: um a baby doctor's appointment and then he was going

1164
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: to another doctors point for himself. He was training for fights,

1165
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: he was doing his meal plans. He was stuffing bagels

1166
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: in his mouth. Before we started the podcast, UM, and

1167
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: for some reason he felt graceful enough to sit down

1168
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: with me in Sacramento, UM at your ry favorite You're

1169
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: ry a favors Ultimate Fitness Jim where he's in their team,

1170
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: trained and and talk through some of these important subjects.

1171
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: So appreciate it. I hope to do this again, uh

1172
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: in hunting camp with Chad where he's not so focused

1173
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: on the next fight. But I look forward to I

1174
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: look forward to watching chat on the big screen. UM

1175
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: go up against Volkanovski on the twenty nine of December.

1176
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: Good luck, my brother, I know you'll do well. What else?

1177
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: What else? I also want to make a note to

1178
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: say thank you to everybody who who wrote in and

1179
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: who emailed and and d m and called after my

1180
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience. Joe Rogan get is

1181
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: a is a great friend of mine. UM. If you

1182
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: haven't listened to it, please go do. UM. It's episode

1183
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: I believe twelve sixteen of the Joe Rogan Experience, and

1184
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: we talked for three hours about a lot of important things,

1185
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: a lot of silly things too, But UM, thank you

1186
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: to Joe Rogan for having me on. Thanks to everybody

1187
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: for listening. It was. It's always a great experience. Joe

1188
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: is an amazing individual and a great friend, and I'm

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00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: very privileged to be a part of his immense and

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