Speaker 1: Previously on Happy Face.
Speaker 2: Keith H.
Speaker 1: Jesperson forty made his admission Friday to Detective Rick Buckner
Speaker 1: in a telephone conversation.
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety five, when I heard the news about
Speaker 3: my dad, I was dating a guy named Nick. It
Speaker 3: was a very dysfunctional relationship. When things were good, they
Speaker 3: were good. When things were bad, they were extremely bad.
Speaker 2: Physical.
Speaker 4: There was something about your dad you wanted to tell me,
Speaker 4: and you weren't sure what to believe in. It was
Speaker 4: shocking and I didn't know what to think either.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were as young.
Speaker 1: I went back to my truck and rehearsed the lies
Speaker 1: I planned to tell when I was arrested. What made
Speaker 1: me cross the line into murder? Maybe it was my nature.
Speaker 6: There was a statement from the son of Julie Winningham,
Speaker 6: the victim.
Speaker 3: Obviously he's torn up at devastate, rightfully.
Speaker 5: So, and wanted my dad to be killed.
Speaker 2: I got pregnant my freshman year, so right after found
Speaker 2: out is when the news hit about my dad.
Speaker 3: So I felt like the only option for me to
Speaker 3: break out of this was to not have a baby.
Speaker 3: A couple months later, I got a letter from my dad.
Speaker 3: He said he deserved to be in prison with me.
Speaker 3: You're a killer just like me.
Speaker 2: The biggest spearing is that I can be like my father.
Speaker 7: I look like my father.
Speaker 2: I wonder about DNA.
Speaker 1: And the vies in the fes with the sun. I
Speaker 1: don't know shine.
Speaker 8: I was shiver.
Speaker 9: Oh through.
Speaker 4: One of the things people ask is how did Keith
Speaker 4: get away with it for so long? And people offer
Speaker 4: a variety of reasons. Some say he was smart or
Speaker 4: careful in many ways. But when you look at the
Speaker 4: case of his first victim, Tanya Bennett, he really just
Speaker 4: got lucky for a few years, at least on Lauren
Speaker 4: Dray Pacheco. This is happy Face.
Speaker 1: From I The Creation of a Serial Killer by Jack Olsen.
Speaker 1: On a chilly winter day in Portland, Oregon, Tanya Bennett
Speaker 1: kissed her mother goodbye and said she was off to
Speaker 1: meet a boyfriend. She disappeared from sight in the direction
Speaker 1: of a bus stop. Her walkman plugged into her ears.
Speaker 1: Tanya was mildly retarded from oxygen deprivation at birth. She'd
Speaker 1: been a difficult child. In a cooking class at Cleveland
Speaker 1: High School, she assaulted a classmate in a quarrel over
Speaker 1: a piece of cake. Addicted to alcohol, and drugs. She
Speaker 1: hustled drinks, shot pool and got into trouble with men. Recently,
Speaker 1: she'd complained to her mother that a man had taken
Speaker 1: her home from the B and I tavern, beaten her
Speaker 1: and quote pimped me out end quote. She said she
Speaker 1: was afraid to go back to the same bar, but
Speaker 1: her memory had always been short.
Speaker 4: When you read the Jack Olsen book or the news
Speaker 4: articles from the time, it's apparent why Tanya Bennett was
Speaker 4: chosen as prey. She comes across as pretty and sweet,
Speaker 4: but also naive and troubled. What happened to her is tragic,
Speaker 4: But what's strange about the crime is that there's so
Speaker 4: many people who wanted to take credit for it. There's
Speaker 4: a couple Laverne Pavlanak and John Zevsnofsky, who come forward
Speaker 4: and get arrested.
Speaker 1: The Oregonian January seventeenth, nineteen ninety one, by Fred Leeson
Speaker 1: Laverne A. Pavlnac is accused of four counts of agriva murder, rape,
Speaker 1: sex abuse, kidnapping, and felony murder for the death of
Speaker 1: Tanya A. Bennett, a twenty three year old woman whose
Speaker 1: nude body was found last January in the Columbia Gorge,
Speaker 1: Deputy District Attorney James McIntyre told a Moltnoma County Circuit
Speaker 1: court that Pavlanak fed police anonymous tips that led to
Speaker 1: the arrest of her longtime boyfriend John A. Sasnovsky. Then,
Speaker 1: McIntyre said Pavlanak later told police that she had tied
Speaker 1: and held a rope around Bennett's neck while Sisnovsky beat
Speaker 1: the woman and sexually assaulted her.
Speaker 4: But Laverne and her boyfriend John weren't the only ones
Speaker 4: trying to claim credit for this case. When they were
Speaker 4: arrested for the Bennett murder. Keith wanted credit for his crime,
Speaker 4: so he started sending anonymous letters to The Oregonian and
Speaker 4: graffitiing truck stop bathrooms for attention. But the thing is,
Speaker 4: Keith gets so many of the details wrong, and you
Speaker 4: can start to wonder did he really do it? We
Speaker 4: wanted to hear the details from Phil Stanford, the Oregon
Speaker 4: journalist who received those letters and covered the case.
Speaker 10: Quote honor about January twentieth, nineteen ninety I picked up
Speaker 10: Sonya Bennett and took her home. I raped her and
Speaker 10: beat her real bad. Her face was all broke up.
Speaker 10: Then I ended her life by pushing my fist into
Speaker 10: her throat unquote.
Speaker 8: Right away. Something doesn't fit in the.
Speaker 10: First place, as you already know if you follow local
Speaker 10: crime news. The name is Tanya, not Sonya Bennett, and
Speaker 10: she was killed according to the experts who examined the
Speaker 10: body on the night of January twenty first, not the twentieth.
Speaker 10: But that's not the biggest problem here. The problem, if
Speaker 10: that's the word for it, is that two people are
Speaker 10: already serving time in prison for the crime.
Speaker 4: After her dad's arrest, Melissa started reading Phil Stamford's articles
Speaker 4: in The Oregonian at her local library. It's how she
Speaker 4: learned the horrific details of her dad's crimes and who
Speaker 4: her father really was. So naturally, she had a lot
Speaker 4: of questions for Phil about why her dad wasn't caught earlier.
Speaker 6: Could you tell me who these people are, these strangers,
Speaker 6: and how they're associated with my dad's case.
Speaker 8: Well, the reason Laverne Pavnmak and John Sosnovski ended up
Speaker 8: in prison for the Tanya Bennett murder is that Laverne,
Speaker 8: who's this sixty three year old ding that was trying
Speaker 8: to get rid of her boyfriend, who was actually much younger.
Speaker 8: A barfly coud get out work at the sawmill every
Speaker 8: day and head for the bar, and she'd have to
Speaker 8: go pick him up at the truck stop bar and
Speaker 8: bring him home, putting to bed and go. At least
Speaker 8: he was working, but she wanted to get him out
Speaker 8: of house, and she had tried before several times calling
Speaker 8: his parole officer, tried to get him at least taken
Speaker 8: out of the house. It didn't work. So when she
Speaker 8: read the story inside of The Oregonian about how body
Speaker 8: had been found in the gorge, she made an anonymous
Speaker 8: call to the Sheriff's office saying she thought it was
Speaker 8: this guy, John Saysnovski, And when that didn't work, she
Speaker 8: made another call like that that they eventually figured out
Speaker 8: who was coming from. So the Sheriff's office went out
Speaker 8: and talked to her and she said, yeah, she was
Speaker 8: at the bar and she heard him bragging about wasting
Speaker 8: a woman in the gorge. And they came back the
Speaker 8: next day with a search warrant, and she didn't have
Speaker 8: anything more to say, but on the search warrant they
Speaker 8: said they were looking for that fly that had been
Speaker 8: cut off her jeans and her first that was missing.
Speaker 8: Next day Laverne called in and said she had the
Speaker 8: fly and the first she found him in the trunk
Speaker 8: of John's car. So they said, oh boy. So they
Speaker 8: came out and got them. Well, they analyzed them. Then
Speaker 8: they realized it wasn't the fly from her jeans, and
Speaker 8: it wasn't her purse.
Speaker 2: I wasn't aware of that.
Speaker 8: Without telling the whole story, she kept lying again and
Speaker 8: they'd find out the next lie was wrong, and so
Speaker 8: she opped it, and after about five visits she convinced
Speaker 8: him by saying she had participated in the murder with
Speaker 8: John Sosnowsky. In fact, it held the rope around her
Speaker 8: neck while t racher wow, which was nonsense, and they said,
Speaker 8: thank you very much. So she wasn't any longer a
Speaker 8: witness who might be making up story. She was an accomplice.
Speaker 8: They charged her and the boyfriend she was trying to
Speaker 8: get out of the house. Of course, by the time
Speaker 8: the case came to trial, she said, no, I was
Speaker 8: just making it up. With the videotape they'd made of
Speaker 8: her false confession against the jury, they convicted her, and
Speaker 8: when Sazanovsky saw what was happening, He took a plea
Speaker 8: because he realized that if he went to trial and
Speaker 8: they had already convicted Laverne, he'd probably end up getting executed,
Speaker 8: so he pled guilty. That's Laverne, Kadlanak, and john Sasnovsky.
Speaker 4: So this is all intriguing, but we wanted to know
Speaker 4: how did the police get this so wrong? We spoke
Speaker 4: with private investigator Chris Peterson, who worked as a detective
Speaker 4: for the Moltnoma County Sheriff's Department at the time of
Speaker 4: Tanya Bennett's murder. So they were already tried and found
Speaker 4: guilty and sent to prison.
Speaker 9: That's correct. When I got involved, they were They had
Speaker 9: been in prison for some time.
Speaker 4: What was the police reaction to the letters and the
Speaker 4: graffiti claiming the actual killer was still at large?
Speaker 9: You know, I really don't have a good answer for.
Speaker 10: That, Detective Ingram wrote the report on the night bartender
Speaker 10: Ann Wilson quote. Miss Wilson was asked specifically about January
Speaker 10: twenty first, nineteen ninety and she recalled Tanya Bennett being
Speaker 10: in the tavern at five pm when she arrived for work.
Speaker 10: Miss Wilson said Tanya Bennett seemed to hang around with
Speaker 10: two guys who were playing pool at a table at
Speaker 10: the east end of the tavern. Unquote, Wilson described one
Speaker 10: of the men as being about thirty years old, about six',
Speaker 10: two with, short blonde. Hair all she could remember about
Speaker 10: the second one is that he was somewhat. Shorter although
Speaker 10: the detectives never did succeed in identifying the two young
Speaker 10: men seen playing pool With tanya on the night of the,
Speaker 10: murder at the, time they could have been excused for
Speaker 10: thinking that they were on the right. Track before the
Speaker 10: day was, over though they would have have reason to
Speaker 10: change their.
Speaker 4: Minds it's like a sick comedy of. ERROR i mean it's.
Speaker 8: Oh, yeah it's a very, dark dark.
Speaker 10: Comedy the, caller a, woman said she had overheard a
Speaker 10: man In, jabs a restaurant at The Burn's brothers truck
Speaker 10: stop In, wilsonville bragging that he had Killed Tanya. BENNETT
Speaker 10: a week, Later february, twelfth the same woman called The
Speaker 10: Clackamus County Sheriff's department and gave them the same information
Speaker 10: as she reminded. Them the, man his, name she said
Speaker 10: Was John, sazanovsky was on probation In Clacamus. County maybe
Speaker 10: they could check him. Out ingram Called sasanovsky's parole, Officer Steve,
Speaker 10: bracey and together they figured out who was probably making the.
Speaker 10: Calls her name Was Laverne.
Speaker 4: Pavlanak as we heard the detail of the, story there
Speaker 4: is a little doubt that creeps In keith got the
Speaker 4: names and dates. Wrong and As melissa, realized there's one
Speaker 4: Detail laverne got.
Speaker 2: Right he did come up.
Speaker 6: With one really critical piece of. Evidence AND i don't
Speaker 6: know how she manufactured, this but she brought the detectives
Speaker 6: to Where Tanya bennett's body was.
Speaker 8: Found how, well they drove her out to the place
Speaker 8: along this old scenic. Highway and one of the things
Speaker 8: that the sectors thought was so convincing was that she, said,
Speaker 8: oh it was over. There, well they'd already marked the
Speaker 8: place with red dye or some sort of red marker
Speaker 8: along the.
Speaker 6: Highway So laverne saw the marker on the highway and
Speaker 6: realized that's probably where the body.
Speaker 8: Was, yeah there's obviously a crying.
Speaker 10: Scene on the strength Of pavlovac's, confession which she tried
Speaker 10: to explain away at, trial a jury convicted her to
Speaker 10: avoid a possible death sentence for aggravated. Murder sasnovsky then
Speaker 10: pleaded no contest to felony murder and. Rape three years,
Speaker 10: Later sasnovsky has exhausted all his. Appeals padlanak's plea for
Speaker 10: a new trial was rejected this month by The Oregon
Speaker 10: court Of. Appeals never a high profile case to begin
Speaker 10: with the murder Of Tanya bennett became a closed, one
Speaker 10: and quite likely if it weren't for the anonymous letter
Speaker 10: that arrived At The oregonian earlier this month from a
Speaker 10: man claiming to have killed five women In oregon And,
Speaker 10: california Including Tanya, bennett the case might well have remained.
Speaker 4: Forgotten as Reporter Phil stamford told, us Had keith not
Speaker 4: started writing the, newspaper police might never have found. Him
Speaker 4: but to hear more about, That melissa AND i reached
Speaker 4: out To jim, McNeely a retired detective from The Moltnomah
Speaker 4: County Sheriff's.
Speaker 11: DEPARTMENT i got involved when we started getting the letters
Speaker 11: sent to us from your. Dad somebody sent us some
Speaker 11: pictures of from writing on the wall in the restroom
Speaker 11: In montana where they said two people are in jail
Speaker 11: for something, idea and that was followed up by a
Speaker 11: letter that came to The Washington County court or, something
Speaker 11: and they forwarded it to. Us and then another letter
Speaker 11: came to A Phil stanford reporter in The, oregonion and
Speaker 11: that letter goes came to. Us and then when we
Speaker 11: followed up on the, case when your dad, came there
Speaker 11: was a lot of talk around the department that we
Speaker 11: still had the right people and whoever was writing these
Speaker 11: letters was making this stuff. Up WHEN i got involved with,
Speaker 11: it in my, Partner Chris, peterson we followed up on
Speaker 11: it from.
Speaker 10: There in an interview this week at The Oregon State, Prison,
Speaker 10: sisnovsky once the passive, barfly bristled with anger when asked
Speaker 10: whether he was guilty of Killing Tanya. BENNETT i never
Speaker 10: met the, girl he, SAID i never killed anybody in my.
Speaker 10: Life he blames, everything he said in a rambling diatribe
Speaker 10: on a conspiracy that includes The Oregon state bar The
Speaker 10: Moltloma County District attorney's, office the detectives who investigated the,
Speaker 10: case and of course his former Housemate Laverne. Pavlinak she framed,
Speaker 10: me he, said.
Speaker 6: So then when you get this letter from my, dad
Speaker 6: and he, SAID i Killed Tanya.
Speaker 2: Bennett did you instantly believe this letter was? True what
Speaker 2: did you think about this?
Speaker 8: Letter, well there was something very believable about. It he
Speaker 8: knew what he was talking, about and he had information
Speaker 8: on those murders that hadn't been in the papers down
Speaker 8: wherever the bodies were. Found so there was something to.
Speaker 8: It and it was a matter that of going back
Speaker 8: and analyzing The Tanya bennett, case the, investigation and WHAT
Speaker 8: i contributed really was sort of a deconstruction of the,
Speaker 8: case showing that they'd manufactured the, case they'd manufactured the.
Speaker 6: Confession so when you got that, letter that was one,
Speaker 6: letter but you ultimately received more.
Speaker 2: Letters is that?
Speaker 5: Correct?
Speaker 8: Yeah after he was, captured we, corresponded, okay we were
Speaker 8: trying together to prove that THE da was wrong and
Speaker 8: he was guilty of The Tanya bennett.
Speaker 2: Murder which is interesting that he's trying to prove his.
Speaker 2: Guilt he wanted. Credit. Yeah, yeah did you ever meet
Speaker 2: my dad in? Person?
Speaker 8: Oh, yeah after he was. ARRESTED i talked to him
Speaker 8: in The Clark county jail and they just let him.
Speaker 8: Out there was a big folding picnic, table and HERE
Speaker 8: i was sitting across from this hawking. GUY i mean
Speaker 8: he's very, BIG i guess six' seven something, like that
Speaker 8: and talking to him About The tanya. Bennett murder and
Speaker 8: as the conversation, quickly developed how we were going to
Speaker 8: prove that he was guilty Of The tanya? Bennett murder.
Speaker 4: What was he saying?
Speaker 2: To You he.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure to this day how to read him at.
Speaker 8: That point at, THE time i thought he was sort
Speaker 8: of unburdening his soul if he wanted. To confess another
Speaker 8: way of looking at out of, the course would be
Speaker 8: that he wanted to get credit, for this and it
Speaker 8: was his way of sort of proving that he was establishing.
Speaker 4: This identity did he come across as wanting, Your, help.
Speaker 8: Well he wanted, my help and OF course i. Wanted his,
Speaker 8: you KNOW what i needed was some way to prove
Speaker 8: that he was telling the Truth About. Tanya bennett and
Speaker 8: so he offered two ways of. Proving it one was
Speaker 8: that when he, told her he said blood was everywhere
Speaker 8: and even splattered on. The ceiling oh.
Speaker 6: MY gosh i actually stayed in the House Where tanya bennett,
Speaker 6: was murdered and there was a NIGHT that i went
Speaker 6: and slept in the living room on, the COUCH and
Speaker 6: i remember looking up at the ceiling and seeing splatter on,
Speaker 6: the ceiling thinking it was, spaghetti sauce and just staring
Speaker 6: at IT as i was trying to go, To sleep
Speaker 6: and when you just, SAID that i WONDER if i
Speaker 6: was looking.
Speaker 2: At blood oh.
Speaker 10: My.
Speaker 8: Yeah YEAH so i went back to. The house it
Speaker 8: had been bought, and sold and they had the new
Speaker 8: owners had painted, that room, the bedroom including. THE ceiling
Speaker 8: i went TO the da with THAT and, i said
Speaker 8: you could scrape the paint off and DO a, dna
Speaker 8: analysis and, he, said no we don't want to. Do
Speaker 8: that the other thing, he said the key said was
Speaker 8: after he Dropped off tanya's body in, the gorge, driving
Speaker 8: back he threw her purse out at a certain place
Speaker 8: and he remembered where it was as. A field and,
Speaker 8: in fact that is eventually how it was proved to the,
Speaker 8: DA's satisfaction to the, court satisfaction that he was telling
Speaker 8: the truth and that He Killed, tanya bennett because one
Speaker 8: of the sheriff's deputies, m McNelly who's really the hero,
Speaker 8: in this took a troop of boy scouts out to
Speaker 8: that field and for two or three days cut away
Speaker 8: the BlackBerry bushes that had grown. UP there i mean
Speaker 8: they grow Fast in oregon and four. Years, Growth yeah
Speaker 8: i've been.
Speaker 2: Up there it, gets dense and they found the purse.
Speaker 9: WITH her i. D Wow.
Speaker 4: So jessperson kind of saw you as a partner.
Speaker 8: In, this yeah it was. Very strange we were. Conspiring
Speaker 8: together here we were as working for a newspaper and
Speaker 8: he was trying to confess to. A murder we both
Speaker 8: knew that two people were in prison for a crime,
Speaker 8: he committed but, the Authorities the sheriff's department and the
Speaker 8: DA's office certainly weren't going to admit they'd made a mistake,
Speaker 8: like that and basically but developed as that we were
Speaker 8: conspiring to prove that he.
Speaker 4: Was guilty now you have to remember This is phil's
Speaker 4: opinion on the way the investigation. Was handled the police
Speaker 4: have their.
Speaker 7: OWN story i got word from a friend of mine
Speaker 7: At the sheriff's office that the detective.
Speaker 8: Could been the leader in getting the false Confession From
Speaker 8: laverne pablomak In The tiny. Bennic case had been down
Speaker 8: in the state prison Talking, to jesperson encouraging him to
Speaker 8: SAY that i had given him the information that he
Speaker 8: had given to the police to prove that He Killed.
Speaker 8: Tiny bennett in, other words it's trying To get jefferson to,
Speaker 8: frame me and to his, eternal credit as Far as,
Speaker 8: i'm concerned he did not lie. About it he, said
Speaker 8: no it, didn't happen and it would have been very
Speaker 8: easy for him, to lie and, after all it wouldn't
Speaker 8: hurt him, at all and he might have even been
Speaker 8: able to bargain it into extra privileges for helping out.
Speaker 8: This detective but, he DIDN'T and i have TO say
Speaker 8: i honor him.
Speaker 9: For that.
Speaker 4: Keith's code of honor is more than a bit. Twisted
Speaker 4: here he wouldn't tolerate, dishonest cops thought himself, above them
Speaker 4: and yet he was a brutal rapist. And murderer.
Speaker 6: So when my dad was ultimately Convicted For tanya, bennett's
Speaker 6: murder what Happened to John?
Speaker 8: And, laverne well they, were released, Of course.
Speaker 2: And how much time did they serve in prison before they.
Speaker 7: WERE released i think about a couple.
Speaker 10: Of.
Speaker 8: Years WOW and i don't know Anything about LaVerne's experience,
Speaker 8: in prison but it was particularly Hard, On, john saysnovsky
Speaker 8: who was not a very strong person to. BEGIN with
Speaker 8: i mean he was, an alcoholic and he was he
Speaker 8: sort of. Lost it they put him in a room
Speaker 8: in prison for the people who were. Mentally disturbed it's Called.
Speaker 8: The thunderdome what? A?
Speaker 2: Thunderdome why what happens in?
Speaker 8: The thunderdome it was a big holding tank with a
Speaker 8: guard sort of suspended in the middle on. A grate
Speaker 8: AND what i remember about the story Is that saysnovsky would.
Speaker 8: Just howl here he was locked up for life for
Speaker 8: something he had pled. Guilty to but even at the
Speaker 8: time he, pled guilty he knew he was not guilty
Speaker 8: up it was. Completely.
Speaker 2: Innocent though that would drive. Me, crazy yeah that would drive.
Speaker 2: ME crazy i. Yeah that what else could you do?
Speaker 10: But?
Speaker 2: Scream? Oh yeah did you ever Talk to Laverne? Or
Speaker 2: john do you think that they? REGRETTED this.
Speaker 8: I Talked, with LAVERNE and i don't think She really
Speaker 8: i'm sure she, regretted It but i'm not convinced she
Speaker 8: ever really understood how how wrong what she. Did was
Speaker 8: she was emotionally. DULLED herself, i mean she was taking
Speaker 8: a lot, of pills fantasized, a lot read a lot
Speaker 8: of cheap, detective stories which is probably how she got
Speaker 8: the idea that she could turn someone in for a
Speaker 8: murder and it would just all.
Speaker 7: Go away.
Speaker 4: MELISSA and i, were, curious though How did John and
Speaker 4: laverne react to. Being Freed Here's Detective chris, Peterson Again.
Speaker 9: John SISTOVSKY when i went down to interview him in
Speaker 9: the prison with the prosecutor, a prosecutor he. Was incoherent he.
Speaker 9: Was babbling it was actually a little. Bit scary verne
Speaker 9: acted like a grandmother when we were working. WITH her,
Speaker 9: i mean she was, pretty, calm collected and she did
Speaker 9: her very best to convince me that she wasn't responsible for,
Speaker 9: the murder which. WAS true i think we had her take.
Speaker 9: A polygraph i don't think We had sisnovsky take a
Speaker 9: polygraph because of his, metal state but.
Speaker 4: It sounds like he was another One of jefferson's.
Speaker 9: Victims Indirectly john sisowsky was definitely a Victim of Jefferson.
Speaker 9: AND laverne, i mean, those People, particularly laverne had no
Speaker 9: place in. An institution she created a space and institution
Speaker 9: for herself by confessing on, a TAPE and i was
Speaker 9: played to a jury and they. Convicted her but he
Speaker 9: victimized those two and as well as a lot of
Speaker 9: victims that. Didn't survive did she ever? Thank you she
Speaker 9: was very unappreciative of our efforts to get. Her out
Speaker 9: the family never really spoke. To us they. WERE critical
Speaker 9: i think of, the POLICE and i think the district
Speaker 9: attorney's Office a, momma mccanti and the sheriff's Office in
Speaker 9: portland did a great job in terms of getting to
Speaker 9: the bottom of, this case and even a mistake had,
Speaker 9: been made and the district attorney and the sheriff both
Speaker 9: told me that we don't want you doing anything else
Speaker 9: until this matter gets resolved to. Our satisfaction and Just.
Speaker 5: Because i'm Curious with Laverne, and john were they immediately
Speaker 5: released after my dad was sentenced?
Speaker 8: That, day, no no.
Speaker 9: They weren't post conviction rey was a very complicated legal
Speaker 9: procedure and there is really no remedy for reversing a
Speaker 9: jury's decision in the State. Of oregon if a jury
Speaker 9: finds you guilty, of homicide it's kind of chipped. In
Speaker 9: stone so they were not. Released immediately it took a
Speaker 9: while to get them out. Of prison it wasn't like
Speaker 9: your dad gets convicted and the door. Is open my
Speaker 9: understanding Is That, John sissovsky I'm assuming john's, still alive
Speaker 9: still has a MURDER conviction iic record because post, conviction
Speaker 9: relief meaning changing a verdict's opinion of, a jury is
Speaker 9: very difficult to do in the State of oregon and.
Speaker 5: Most states that's how Horrible for john that he would
Speaker 5: have this still potentially on, his record even though he was.
Speaker 5: Completely innocent that must have impacted, his employment his life.
Speaker 5: After this that's, really, surprising though you know that it
Speaker 5: would be.
Speaker 9: Like, that yeah, it is but that was the state
Speaker 9: of the law twenty five, years AGO and i don't
Speaker 9: know that SHAME.
Speaker 1: From I the creation of A serial Killer By jack
Speaker 1: olsen in jail awaiting transport to the, state penitentiary he
Speaker 1: continued to play the lead role in his own. Dramatic
Speaker 1: production on the Day That john Sasnovski And laverne pavlanac
Speaker 1: were freed, for good he described his reaction To The associated,
Speaker 1: PRESS quote i. STARTED crying i couldn't help myself for about.
Speaker 1: TEN minutes i lost. TOTAL composure i was just. Very,
Speaker 1: overjoyed basically my Feeling is god. Blessed them. End quote
Speaker 1: he didn't explain why he'd allowed them to serve four
Speaker 1: years for. His Crimes.
Speaker 4: So, don fendley who is the Son of jessperson's last,
Speaker 4: Known Victim, julianne winningham he has a lot of Anger,
Speaker 4: towards laverne who is, now deceased but he believes that
Speaker 4: if she, hadn't lied if she hadn't tried To, frame
Speaker 4: john that there is a Chance that jessperson could have
Speaker 4: been stopped before he murdered seven, more women including his.
Speaker 9: OWN mother, I mean i understand, his concern and of
Speaker 9: course he didn't murder anybody after He murdered julie because he.
Speaker 9: Was arrested but, YOU know i don't want to speculate
Speaker 9: that that this thing would have been solved, any earlier
Speaker 9: but it's hard to. FOR me i can't say that
Speaker 9: if it had Meant from Laverne that keith would have,
Speaker 9: been arrested because he was not on. Anybody's Radar in
Speaker 9: molma mccunny over The, tiny.
Speaker 4: Benicades there's always been One person melissa has been afraid,
Speaker 4: to meet the Son of jesper since, Last Victim.
Speaker 2: Don findley i'm terrified that he's going to lash out
Speaker 2: on me and blame me.
Speaker 9: For his.
Speaker 2: MOM'S murderer.
Speaker 4: I texted him, for weeks and when he finally returned,
Speaker 4: my text he didn't want to meet you. In person
Speaker 4: he had a lot, of anger, you know from his point,
Speaker 4: of view you're the daughter of the man who murdered.
Speaker 4: His mother but we spoke for a couple of HOURS
Speaker 4: and i was finally able to convince him to.
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