1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: of course fun. My styling career really really caught fire 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: in the late nineties and early two thousands, and I 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: at the time was working in the music industry. In fact, 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: I was eating, sleeping, and breathing in the music industry. 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: I worked with a lot of everyone's favorites. So it's 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: very exciting and lots to discuss. So here to help 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: me dive into some of my more famous Y two 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: K is my producer Mary Elizabeth, So let's get right 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: into it. How exciting. 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: As Rachel mentioned, for some reason since January, you have 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: been getting a lot of requests for quotes or stories 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: or trending topics about your experience in your Y two 15 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: K styling era. So, as you mentioned, you started in 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: the music industry in the days when music videos were 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: the biggest marketing tool for a label and a song. 18 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: So the days of TRL which I was obsessed with, 19 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: the butterfly hair clips, the capri pants, the layering of 20 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: the tank tops. The Y two K fashion is back, 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: whether we like it or not, and I think before. 22 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: So I put up in your story for our listeners 23 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: to answer questions or ask you questions that you will 24 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: answer about Y two K specifically, and it, by far 25 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: and away got more responses than maybe any sticker I've 26 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: put on your story like ever. So we're going to 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: jump into listener questions that they have about Y two 28 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: K and your contributions to the era. But I thought 29 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: it would be fun first to lay the scene for everybody. 30 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: Also, I want a sidebar. You said late nineties or 31 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: I said late nineties, I wasn't. I mean I was 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: like a kid then? Oh sure, for sure? Oh yeah, yeah, 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: a kid she was to do anything in the night. 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: Definitely, not a full adult, definitely not. Yes, I must 35 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: have been wrong on that. So I thought it would 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 2: be fun to first lay the scene for listeners about 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: the iconic music videos that you worked on, because all 38 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: the millennials like me who know and love you from 39 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: the Rachel Zoe Project grew up in that era of 40 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: like I said, TRL and waited on baited breath for 41 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: our favorite pop stars to drop their music videos, and 42 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: you were a part of some truly truly iconic ones 43 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: that I don't know if everybody. 44 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Knows, well, I'll be honest with you, I don't know 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: all of them, because I will be very honest with 46 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: you my life from the minute I went freelance, I 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: legitimately it's like I always say to you on the regular, 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: like it's a blur, actual blurb. Because the music industry 49 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: was on such fire, and the amount of money being 50 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: spent on every aspect of the artists their life and 51 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: all that was so intense, and like the speed at 52 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: which these pop stars were working, shooting, touring, performing I 53 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: and I was like me myself, and I was like, yeah, 54 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: one assistant with like fifty racks of clothes. So I like, 55 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: when you say it, I'll be like, oh my god, 56 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: of course they did that. But like if you asked me, 57 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: I could remember probably like a handful of them. And 58 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: like when I hear a song now, like of Backstreet 59 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: Enrique or Jessica Simpson or Brittany, I'll be like, oh 60 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: I did that, You're like, oh, crap, I was on set. 61 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: I was actually on so okay, I did that? Look right, 62 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: I love it, Okay, so let's kick it off. 63 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: I mean, the Y two K Queen was definitely Miss 64 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: Britney Spears yes, and you did work with Britney Spears. 65 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: I did, And you did work on correct me if 66 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: I'm wrong, hit me baby one more time. 67 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: I did. So that was actually one of my very 68 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: first freelance jobs because there was a woman. There is 69 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: a woman out in the world. I haven't spoken to 70 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: her in forever, but Hailey Hill, who was my boss 71 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: at YM magazine. And Haley was the senior fashion editor 72 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: fashion director at the time, and she would get booked 73 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: on these big commercials and stuff, and she was booked 74 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: on Britney's video and stuff through Okay, her manager, Sonya 75 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: Muckel Okay, and Sonya who I remember, like yesterday. I 76 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: think I ran into her in the last couple of years. 77 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: It was wild and Haley needed help and she had 78 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: two jobs booked at the same time. Its like one 79 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: of those things. So I was still working at the 80 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: magazine and I think it was being shot on a weekend, okay. 81 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: And do you remember where it was being shot? No, 82 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: Like I want to see Brooklyn Queens, Like I can't, 83 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, like at a stage or studio. I can't remember, 84 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: but that's for some reason feeling familiar. And she called 85 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: me because she needed help and so I went in 86 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: and started just working on it and like pulling the 87 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: clothes and doing the prep and like being on set 88 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: and whatever. And I think at the time, like I 89 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: was so obsessed with being great at my job that 90 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: I never looked at stars as stars, if that makes sense. Yeah. 91 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: I don't think in the moment I knew or cared 92 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: that much that it was Brittany. I knew, but it 93 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: was more like I was such a fashion girl that 94 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: to me, like if you were, like you're going on 95 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: set with Carlagerfeld and Kate Moss, that would have given 96 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: me a cold sweat panic attack. Sure, you know what 97 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: I mean. And so I think just. 98 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: It worked in your favor that you weren't a fact 99 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: starship or just obsessed with exactly music it served it 100 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: served you well. 101 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was able to, I think, maintain professionalism without 102 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: like freaking out because I was so young. Yeah you 103 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was so young, but yeah, 104 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: I felt so much older than these I mean kids, 105 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: they were really some of them were, you know, like 106 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: Kevin Richardson was not a kid, right, Okay. 107 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: So that leads me to the next group, which is 108 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: the Backstreet Boy. 109 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: But the Brittany. I want to touch on one seck 110 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: because after I did these few jobs working with Haley, 111 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: that is when that was the impetus for me going freelance, 112 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: really because I made so much money on those jobs 113 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: that I was like, what the hell am I doing? 114 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: This is creative, this is fun, Like I'm out in 115 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: the world. I'm not sitting in a fluorescent lit office, 116 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not locked in a fashion closet. And 117 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: so this was sort of like I just felt alive, honestly, 118 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: And that is when I made the movie to go freelance, 119 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: like shortly after that, because then I got promoted and 120 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: then I and then I went freelance probably later that year, 121 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: left there as senior fashion editor. But it's important because 122 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: as senior fashion editor, I was styling a lot of 123 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: shoots for the magazine and all the covers. Sure, and 124 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: I met a lot of publicists and a lot of 125 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: pop stars and actors, Like that's when I met Gwen Stefani, 126 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: how she got on cover shoots Drew Barry. But that's 127 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: really how you got your foot into this, like music, 128 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: That's how I met the publicist love that later helped 129 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: would hire you to hire me so I made a 130 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: lot of connections there, and then after I was working 131 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: with Brittany, I worked with Brittany on my own a bunch. 132 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: I flew to the World Music Awards to Monaco for 133 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. I thought I was never going to 134 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,559 Speaker 1: work again, because I got there. I flew with her 135 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: and the bodyguards and like the team, and I just 136 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: remember like I had like no notice. It was sort 137 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: of like you're leaving tomorrow and she she has to 138 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: be out World Music Awards and Monica and you're going. 139 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: And I was so again, I was so young, so 140 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: it was like, okay, you know, I just never unpacked 141 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: a suitcase and like blah blah blah, and I went 142 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: and I remember getting there and I remember that the 143 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: managing team going, okay, everybody break, take a nap, take 144 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: a shower, whatever, And you know, me, Mary like, I 145 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: don't nap, I don't sleep. But what did I do? 146 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: I fucking blacked out. I blacked out. And the next 147 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: thing I remember is security banging on my door telling 148 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: me we had to leave. She was going on stage. 149 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: I had to get her ready. I'm by myself. I 150 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: had no assistant, like I was literally that was like 151 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: one of the most panicing for you in my life. 152 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: I can't even imagine it, but for you to fall 153 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: asleep that hardcore because I know you sleep like because 154 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: it lighted all night, worst sleeper maybe in the history 155 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,239 Speaker 2: of the world, you must have been like truly exhausted. 156 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: But that is that is really and it was terrifying. 157 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: I was like, she's going to miss her performance or 158 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: go on naked because I fell asleep, and I'll never 159 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: work again. And by the way, that was truly the 160 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: feeling and psychology that I had, probably for the rest 161 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: of my career was the was the like, if you 162 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: fuck this up, you're you're not working anymore. 163 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, You're just so you're working with Brittany. 164 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: How was Brittany then? Was she? 165 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: You know, she was great? This is the sort of 166 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: the beginning of her mega success. She was great, and 167 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: I think she was great. She was cute, she was bubbly, 168 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: she was fun. Was she collaborative with you? Did she 169 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: like getting dressed? Or was she stubborn? Uh? It was more. 170 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: What I very clearly remember was that I was trying 171 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: to I think make her a little uh, sort of 172 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: create a more what do I say fashion. I guess 173 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: maybe less sort of ripped everything, yeah, whatever, And I 174 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: was trying to do a little more fashion than I remember, 175 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: a little more polish. And I remember she was per 176 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: forming share song at the World Music Awards. You know 177 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: what's it? An? A rhythm to oh lad daddity mmm 178 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: mm hmm. Yeah, I remember the name of the song. 179 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: When the beat goes on, Oh my god, thank you. 180 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: My brain hurts from thinking about that. And she was incredible, 181 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: and she had like long hair, and I was like, Okay, 182 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to give her this like very share like 183 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: kind of try to do this like Bob Mackie, like, 184 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, just a very like whatever. And I just 185 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: remember it was this long, like I believe, if I 186 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: remember correctly from five hundred years ago, Donna Karen like 187 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: did this like custom like cature at that time, because 188 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: we used to do all these awards show dressing looks together, 189 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: like we would do custom things for clients. But she 190 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: was doing this very special. It was like this long 191 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: beaded like almost like a mermaid fishtail long skirt, and 192 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: and basically we put this top on her and I 193 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: just remember like two minutes before, two minutes before she 194 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: went on stage. She went in the bathroom and cut it. 195 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: She cut the guitar, She cut the guitar, She cropped 196 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: the top to just below her boobs. If I remember correctly, 197 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: I cried yikes. Yeah, I mean as the stylist. I'm 198 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: sure you cried. 199 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: Well. 200 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: I cried only because I was like, am I fired 201 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: from Donna Karen? 202 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 2: Now? 203 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: For life? Have I ruined my reputation? Yeah? Did she 204 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: hate what I styled? But she looked incredible, she performed great. 205 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: We all went to this big dinner with Prince Albert, 206 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: my god, and at that that was the beginning of 207 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: my very surreal life. Yeah. Really, and that's twenty years. 208 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: Jumped you to Backstreet Boys, which yes, same same management. 209 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: It was with the Firm, a place called the Firm, 210 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: which had Enrique Backstreet and Brittany and I want to 211 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: say in sync, but maybe that's wrong. 212 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: That wrong. For millennial girls like me, you were either 213 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: Backsheater and sink and there was no Well, it's. 214 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: Like are you Edward or are you Jacob? Of course 215 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And now with summary term pretty, it's are 216 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: you Conrad or are you Jeremy. 217 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it goes on forever. Doesn't it 218 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: Backstreet Boys equal to basically Beatlemania beyond in terms of 219 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: like beyond the logistics of them traveling touring being right, 220 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 2: it must have been so insane to not only have 221 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: one very famous client, but five very famous I. 222 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: Can't really explain what was happening. 223 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: Now. You didn't do correct me if I'm wrong. You 224 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: didn't do the Backstreets back music video, right, the one 225 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: where they're like Phantom of the Opera and it's like 226 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: the dance like the Thriller vibes where they're That. 227 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: Might be right when I started, because you started with 228 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: the Millennium album. Was that my first? Or was that 229 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: my last? Into Millennial that I literally cannot remember? You 230 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: can't remember. I have to watch that video, okay, but 231 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: I very very remember. 232 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: Very like Michael Jackson Thriller inspired, they're like dancing, it's 233 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: like sort of a haunted mansion vibe. 234 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: What do I feel like? What were they wearing? I 235 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: could tell by what they were wearing, Like, did they 236 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: look like I styled them? 237 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: No? Because it was so theatrical, right, so like AJ 238 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: has like the Phantom of the Opera mask on it, 239 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: right point, like Brian, I think it was Brian is 240 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: like a werewolf man. Like. 241 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: It was very, very theatrical. I did so many music 242 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: videos with them, and we did think, like there's nothing 243 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: we didn't do, so it's possible. But I remember Millennium 244 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: because that's the all white else. Oh well, yeah, I 245 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: remember that like it was because I remember walking into 246 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: my hotel room. I had been prepping for so long. 247 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: And what you have to remember and I need people 248 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: to try and like visualize what my life was with Backstreet. 249 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: Imagine five kids different like anyone who has five kids. 250 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: You could have ten kids and not one of them 251 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: would be like sure, not one of them would dress 252 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: the same, not one, right, And that's what it was like. 253 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: And it was like five guys that I loved honestly deeply. 254 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: I was so close with them. They were like brothers. 255 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: And Kevin was like a friend because I think we 256 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: were the same age. Kevin was the light, the other 257 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: one yeah group Yeah, and Kevin kind of felt like, 258 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: honestly like the dad of the group, you know, and 259 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: he and I hung out. I loved his girlfriend wife, Kristen, 260 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: and you know, I went through so much with all 261 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: of them. I would say Nick was the baby and 262 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: really felt like the baby, you know, and I genuinely 263 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: think I just remember white ray black, but like Millennium 264 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: obviously was all white. But I remember ideating with that, 265 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: and I remember saying like, it's a new century, it's 266 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: a new like everything should be clean, everything should be new. 267 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: And I remember like creating that and saying like, they 268 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: need to look modern, they need to look cool, they 269 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: need to clean, they need to like look cohesive. And 270 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: that was the biggest thing that I focused on with them, 271 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: was cohesion, because I felt everyone needed to have their 272 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: own style and their own take on the concept, which 273 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: they did, sure, and that was the challenge, right, But 274 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: like we would have if it was five guys. I 275 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: swear to god, I had a minimum of five racks 276 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: per guy. Yeah, so I would stand there with, you know, 277 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: fifty racks of clothes and white, overwhelmed white, white, Doulce white, 278 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: Gucci white, yeah, you name it, white, Zara white, everything white, 279 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: everything right, Calvin white. You know that's insane. Yeah, it was. 280 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: It was overwhelming, that's insane. My wardrobe budgets were And 281 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: remember in those days, it was not like computer based. 282 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: We didn't have like the cell phone world like it 283 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: wasn't like that. So there was like Star tax phone, 284 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: so we were not I was not doing expenses on 285 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: a phone. I wasn't taking notes. Everything was paper, everything 286 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: was taxis, everything was food, paper, receipts, everything. So if 287 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: I had like one hundred thousand dollars wardrobe budget, two 288 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars wards budget, I had to account for 289 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: every penny of that. And the worst part is a stylist, 290 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: as any stylist will tell you, is you have to 291 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: lay out that money and then you wait and you 292 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: wait to get reimbursed. Oh, it's a terrible model. That's terrible. 293 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: It's a terrible business model. Literally, it's a terrible business model. 294 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: So every bit of my free time that I didn't 295 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: have was spent taping or glu sticking, TAXI receipts, food receipts, 296 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: tailoring alterations, shipping, purchasing. You know, I had to purchase 297 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I had a lot of stuff 298 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: custom made. I would be like down on a street 299 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: getting random like things for a j like feather things, 300 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: or like I would I would get like embroidered or studded, 301 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: Like I would buy a leather vest and have someone 302 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: in a street, just like add studs to it, or 303 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: grammets on the shoes or denim rip it up. I 304 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: would tie things to like a car and drive so 305 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: they would get beaten down. I would wash them. I 306 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: would just try and. 307 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: Like wear things down T shirts. I would teasting. Remember 308 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: the Hi die. 309 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: You name it? Oh my god, I need the job. 310 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: It's too great. Yeah, Okay. 311 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 2: One of my personal favorite music videos that I'm obsessed 312 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: with you working on is mister Enrique Glecia's Hero. 313 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: Oh my God, that song, that video. 314 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: I would wait for TRL because I thought he was 315 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: so gorgeous, and I also like the drama of the 316 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: song in that music video with like Jennifer Love Hewitt 317 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: and Mickey. 318 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: Rourke with no idea. 319 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: I was obsessed with that that. 320 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: Is video and that song. That experience was perhaps one 321 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: of the craziest experiences of my styling career of my life. Yeah, 322 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: I will remember that video forever for many reasons. That 323 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: and another Enrique video where he met Anna wife that 324 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: is so funny. And another Enrique video where I styled 325 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: him with Whitney Houston. Oh and that was unforgettable. 326 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 2: I want. 327 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: And her daughter came to set. But Hero was a 328 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: stressful job. So hero was crazy because it was this director, 329 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: Joseph Kahn, who at the time was the yes, the guy. 330 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: I worked mainly with Joseph Kahan. I worked with Francis 331 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: Lawrence a lot. He did a lot of the video 332 00:18:54,119 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: so now directs like very major emotions. Yeah. That video 333 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: was in Palm Springs at the MERV Griffin Estate. Okay, 334 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, we stayed at you know, one 335 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: of those great hotels. I remember getting there like two 336 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: in the morning. We had to be on set at 337 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: four thirty. A prop stylist actually died on their way 338 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: to set. It was the absolute saddest thing because she 339 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: drove off the ledge. There was no railing on the 340 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: location we were going to we were shooting, if I 341 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: remember correctly, like August twenty seventh or August twenty something 342 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: like that desert in the middle of the desert. It 343 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: was just one hundred and four by seven am. Oh 344 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: my god, Alia died. Alia died. You got the news 345 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: that we got the news that she died while we 346 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: were on set in the desert, because she was also 347 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: shooting a music video in the Caribbean. Rage yep, yeah, 348 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: pay cash and so it was all these weird, weird energy. Yeah, 349 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: Mickey work was there. I was in a hotel hotel 350 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: with Mickey York and that was wild wild he by 351 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: the way, he couldn't have been sweeter to me. For 352 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: the rocker and Jennifer love Hewittt. I had known because 353 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: we had done a bunch of shoots together, because I 354 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: think she had done like Party of Five. I had 355 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: met her through like y Am and then I and 356 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: then I became her stylist for a bunch of things, 357 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: and so I was doing her and Enrique, and you know, 358 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: Enrique is one of the most professional people you've ever known. 359 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: He he just is and he would show up. He 360 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: is by far and away the most handsome and charming. 361 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: Love that person. Everything you want Enrique to be. He 362 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: and Moore and me styling. Loves to hear that me 363 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: styling Enrique as much as I would try and make 364 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: him a little fancier at times jeans yep, vintage Levi's 365 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: like vintage jeans hoodie type. I got him to go 366 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: sometimes from a baseball hat to a beanie, which ended 367 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: up being like a signature. So that was a moment 368 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: I loved him. I still love him. I always love him, 369 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: and I styled him for the video where he met 370 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: his wife Anna Kornakova, and I styled her as well. 371 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: And I remember so clearly standing behind the monitor because 372 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: I was obsessive about obviously everything and like I looks 373 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: close everything. But I had the thing with me beyond styling. 374 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: I would always I really did everything in terms of 375 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: like I watched the lighting, I watched the angles. I 376 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: would suggest to the directors how it might work better. Yeah, 377 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: I would sit in all the time. I would try, 378 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, like I was so in it. You were 379 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: very present every part of it. But I remember standing 380 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: behind the monitor and I remember looking at the director 381 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: and looking at Enrique's team, this guy Fernando at the time, 382 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, I was just pretty real in 383 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: this one. This may go passing video. 384 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: Everyone might be going on and they've been married for 385 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: a long time and together ever since that. Oh I 386 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: love that so much. Okay, rounding out your iconic music 387 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 2: video moments, we have to talk about Jessica Simpson. Okay, 388 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: we have to talk about these boots were made for walking. 389 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you fully dressed her like Daisy Duke, right, 390 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: she had because that the song was for promotional for 391 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: the movie. 392 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: That was amazing. 393 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: I just had it with long extensions in Yeah, Ken 394 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: Pavis is the tiniest denim shorts you've ever seen ever, 395 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: ever and like a midriff tank. 396 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: Top she looks, and a big belt belt right, that 397 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: belt needs to understand, because I think it's so important. 398 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: If you don't know what stylists do, what I need 399 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: to explain to you is that when you look at 400 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: that video of Jessica Simpson and you look at okay, 401 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: she's wearing these cowboy boots, a big belt, these little 402 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: denim shorts and this crop top. Okay, great, and I 403 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: think we did cool earrings if I remember correctly. She's 404 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: so good in that video, honestly. Yeah. But what nobody 405 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: knows is that to get to that look, there was 406 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: literally fifty belts laid out with different buckles and different straps. 407 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: There was maybe thirty pairs of cutoff denim shorts, maybe more. 408 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: To make sure they were the right fit. We would 409 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: have tailors on set that would make them shorter. To 410 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: make them shorter, then free them so they look vintage 411 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: cowboy boots. I mean one hundred pairs, oh my god, 412 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: and like the t shirts. I mean, you know, I 413 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: would run up and down Melrose and Librea and go 414 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: all the thrift stores. And you know, it's not what 415 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: it looks like. That's all I'm saying. Well, the simplicity of. 416 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: You know, denim shorts and a tanked up and whatever, 417 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: I think to an outsider goes, oh, that's so easy. 418 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: Anyone could do that now. 419 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: But the amount of a approvals it takes to get to 420 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: the final outfit and. 421 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: Getting the final outfit and then keeping it. 422 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 2: You know, you're shooting these music videos for more than 423 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: one day, most likely keeping them looking good, having multiples 424 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: to put on if she rips it or drops whatever 425 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: on it or whatever. It's it's more than just a 426 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: pair of shorts and a tank top. 427 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's it always is always, it's always. Oh 428 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: key dokey. 429 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go rapid fire right into our listener Y 430 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: two K questions. Okay, this covers a lot of different 431 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: sort of like Y two K E topics, but let's 432 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 2: do it. 433 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: Let's do a rapid fire. Okay, okay, Question one, who 434 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: is the nicest star from that era that you dressed? 435 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I mean, you know, the Backstreet Boys, 436 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,239 Speaker 1: like I said, were literally it was like it was 437 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: like almost like I was their sister. Yeah, slash mom, 438 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: you know that always was with them. Enrique, he's an angel. 439 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: He's an angel. You we're so close, Like I love that. 440 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: You're too nice to know it's true. I would honestly 441 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: tell you because anyone that was a nightmare, like I 442 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: didn't have time for honestly, yeah, you know to do it. 443 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: It was nice. And Jessica and I were like related 444 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: literally yeah, like I was part of the Simpson family 445 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: at one point. Oh my god, I love that. 446 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: Okay, who do you wish you could have styled from 447 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: that era? But never got to? I think you could 448 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: do like music or otherwise. I mean maybe j Lo 449 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: Jalen right, because. 450 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: That was like her Jenny from the block. Yeah, you 451 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: know you know who else I feel like. 452 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 2: And I don't even know if you have worked with her, 453 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: but like talking about like more nineties whatever, But Alicia Silverstone, 454 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: I did share horoit. 455 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: I work with her. 456 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: I styled for different shoes, Harrow Smith's music, right, those 457 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: music videos. Yeah, but I feel like she and I 458 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: feel like she could have been like a client of yours. 459 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Like no brainer, just with her like aesthetic. 460 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: Okay, what accessories from Y two K stand out to 461 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: you the most? Like when you think about just accessories 462 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: and having to like have a thousand options of blank, 463 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: what is it? 464 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: God, I'll be honest with you, Like I should remember coats, coats, 465 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: like jackets and like and like accessories, I mean hats. Yeah, 466 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: there was a lot of hats. 467 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 2: I feel also with jackets. Y two K had an 468 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 2: interesting big fabric. 469 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was that techie. It was the that's why 470 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: I keep going like scuba gears. It was neoprene. Yes, 471 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: it was a lot of neoprene, a lot. But the 472 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: thing with me, though, truthfully, I think I'd never succumbed 473 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: to the oversized cargo pant and the like the sneakers 474 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: with the big socks and stuff. And I think that's 475 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: why in its resurgence, I'm like, no, see, I didn't. 476 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: I didn't like it. The I was trying to go 477 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: against the crop top, you know what I mean. So 478 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: I think for me, I was shifting into like the nineties, 479 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: like this sort of minimalism and the chic and then 480 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: the sort of like over the top, and I you know, 481 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: I was just about pretty. Yeah, but for guys, to 482 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: be honest, my vibe was like just look hot, yeah, 483 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: Like and to me hot was Brad Pitt and thelm 484 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: and Luise Like yeah. To me, it was always trying 485 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: to make the guys, especially with like Enrique, it was 486 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: that like, no, like look like Johnny Depp with Kate Moss, 487 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: like beat up jeans, cool belt, beat up like Chelsea boots. Yeah, 488 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: and and like a cool like leathers or swede jacket 489 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: with a vintage tea Like to me, that was cool. Yeah. 490 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: And that's where I was trying to take the guys 491 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: because that's where all of like young Hollywood, that was 492 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: the young Hollywood vibe. Yeah, And so I was I 493 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: was able to do that with Enrique. Yeah, you know. 494 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 2: Okay, we got this question a couple of times. Oh 495 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: my god, why did thongs become popular? 496 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: And hy two k oh my god. It was like 497 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: a thong. It was like a thong craze. 498 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 2: I mean, there was even the song Paris Hilton. 499 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think we've talked about Paris Hilton here, yeah, 500 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: like Nicole and everything, because we're talking about music, But 501 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean I think Paris was like Juicy Sweats, which 502 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: was the biggest y two K fashion. That's a thing, 503 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: like I can't we can't forget that. That was Jalo 504 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: Madonna and like the whole velvet track suit of like 505 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: my friend Pam Levy and Gila that created the Juicy 506 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: track suit and that was like rhinestone like bedazzled track suits, 507 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: be dazzled jackets, kits in you know, the bedazzled everything. 508 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: So I think we can't like not mention that because 509 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: I think you're a part of Christina Aguile like all 510 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: of them. And Christina was opening for Backstreet Boys at 511 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: the time. 512 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's so crazy because she obviously went 513 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: on to be her own. 514 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: Massive success story. 515 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: Yep. 516 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, the thongs like coming out of the pants 517 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: with black hairs, and then we did the the low 518 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: sung jeans. 519 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 2: It's almost like the thong craze happened because the jeans 520 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: were just too low. 521 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: Yes, it was god awfully low. And just to be clear, 522 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: I want to be clear, I was not an advocate 523 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: for that, sure, sure, you know, I mean I think Paris, 524 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: like I have such a clear visual of when I 525 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: met her with like the cropped bleached white platinum hair 526 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: in like a pink velvet sweatsuit with like so low 527 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: but she looked so hot, you know. Yeah, and she 528 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: was so sweet and friendly. Honestly, yeah, but kits In. 529 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: I just keep thinking about kits In. Oh yeah, it 530 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: was the craze. Okay, next up then eyebrows. Just why 531 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: just why is this? I tell you why? Because that 532 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: started because of like Calvin Klein, John Galliano, all the nineties, Supers, 533 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: Kate Moss, they all did it. It would tweet their 534 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: eyebrows off. It was part of the minimal the you know, 535 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: the minimalism movement, and it was all the nineties with 536 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: Matt Brown makeup, you know, very neutral palette, Matt Matt lips, 537 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: thin thin eyebrows, very wafy movement, yep, and very minimal 538 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: no bells and whistles, no jewels, very clean. It was 539 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: the Kate Moss Calvin movement. Honestly. Yeah. And Kate Moss, 540 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: like I mean she was like sixteen, I know, I 541 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: mean she she changed the whole. 542 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: I mean, some of us millennial girls are paying for 543 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: the overtweezing to that. 544 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: I would like to proudly say that my mother. I 545 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: have to thank my mom for not letting me do that. 546 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: That's good because I still to this day have eyebrows. 547 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: Blessed you made it out, you made it out of 548 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: white to k with Listen. I don't have my nineties 549 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: two thousand eyebrows, but I still have eyebrows. Fair okay, Doki. 550 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: Last question, who was your most stubborn client from Y 551 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: two K? Doesn't mean mean or difficult, but who was 552 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 2: the most stubborn when it came to like getting dressed 553 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: or wearing what you recommended or you know. 554 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,239 Speaker 1: When I think about it, it's like this sort of 555 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: like the Lindsay Miss Nicole. We had so much fun, 556 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: so they weren't. I'm thinking about my music world, Like 557 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Brittany, I would say definitely was the one 558 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: who would sort of like change from whatever my well 559 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: after you told me that cutting the couture story. Yeah, 560 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: I mean I think Brittany was definitely probably the one 561 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: that you know did that. And I think I'm thinking 562 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: about some of the Backstreet boys, like we really collaborated. 563 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, AJ and I had so much fun because 564 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: he was the most like out there, you know, yeah, 565 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: would he was the most costume me. 566 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: He was like a he was like the well, like 567 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: the bad boy of the back show for sure. 568 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: So he was like the Risks taker, Yeah right, the 569 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: most incredible voice. And Kevin was like dressing like my brother. 570 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: It was fun. It was like chasing him to put 571 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: clothes on him. Oh my god, that's I mean, because 572 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: he's just like running around enjoying. And Brian was like 573 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: a gentleman, you know, and Howie was a doll. 574 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: Okay, this is your final question. What was your go 575 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: to look in the Y two k era when you 576 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: were on set, when you were traveling, when you. 577 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: Were black and jeans, Like I would wear dark jeans, 578 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: I'd wear light flare obviously. Yeah, always dark and some 579 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: kind of like black, probably ankle boot, you know, some 580 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: kind of boot and like a like a like a 581 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: black like leather jacket. I had like a hundred black 582 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: leather jackets and that was like my jam, your go to. Yeah, 583 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: stylists always need pockets. Yeah, I think of it so funny. 584 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: Pocket it was so fast. I'd like think about what 585 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: I was even wearing. I can't even like, yeah, I 586 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: never thought about me right, well, because you said you 587 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: like I kept a suitcase pack, so you're just like 588 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: bringing the same things over and over. I'm sure, so weird. 589 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: I flew a lot of private planes. I remember. Oh 590 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: that's fun though. I was on private planes very young. 591 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 2: Did you witness anyone have a total meltdown on a 592 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: private plane? 593 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: Of course I did spill it. Nope, who ever, honey, 594 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: I witnessed more meltdowns between ninety eight or ninety seven 595 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: and two thousand and eight. Seven, twelve, my wheels are turning, 596 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: and thirteen my styling wave was filled with melt. 597 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: We're at our time for today that you have just said, 598 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 2: you have just cued us up for Part two Meltdowns. 599 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Part two of this podcast, the Meltdown, The Meltdowns. 600 00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening everyone, all right, everybody, thank you so 601 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: much for listening to Climbing and Heels. If you haven't already, 602 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: please subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the 603 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: iHeart app, or wherever you get your podcasts. 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