1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome to Big Fish, Smallpod. I'm Andrew Widahl, and 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: today is September twenty first. Following up on yesterday's two 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: to one loss at home against the Chicago Cubs, the 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Marlins are set to face the Cubs again today at 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: six forty pm, Marcus Stroman facing off against Jesus Luzardo. 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: And really, like I've been enjoying these games, like I've 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: found this to be a fun series for the Marlins. 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: The Cubs are like a pretty good match for them, 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: and it's really like shown through the games. So kind 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: of aside from all that, I want to talk about 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: something today that does kind of like suck, but I 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: think is a key to the organization's ability to produce hitters. 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: So I think it's a really important story to follow 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: of these Miami Marlins. I'm really following up on, like 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: Jordan McPherson's article on the Miami Herald about Jazz Chisham 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: Juniors knee surgery is like torn meniscus and a knee 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: surgery that happened last week's story broke. I believe the twenty, 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: sorry the nineteenth, and yeah, quoting the article quote according 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: to a source, Chisholm had been playing through the meniscus 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: issue during the season. Since there's no plan for under 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: return to action, the decision was made to have surgery now. 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, so he had a stress fracture in his 23 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: back if you remember, and now a torn meniscus for 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: his right knee. But to me, it does seem to 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: be with his like particularly electric swing that looks like 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: literally like the whole run back in Super Smash Bros. 27 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: Really is something to behold, and clearly it, I mean, 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,639 Speaker 1: it seems to be clearly that there's a like cost 29 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: to it. 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: Dade gets into one out towards center back there way 31 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: and it's gone shutt over the top of the wall 32 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: in center field, and the Martins break it open in 33 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: a second. 34 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Like looking into this, there was a study published in 35 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. It was a Japanese study. And I'm not 36 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: really like well versed in like Japanese baseball or Japanese 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: like scientific culture or American scientific culture, but it like 38 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: sounds to me like a real like statement study. There's 39 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: like fourteen clinicians that put their name on this study 40 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: that was like literally like you know, peer reviewed and 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: published in twenty eighteen by a group of like again 42 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: fourteen clinicians, you have like a Yukata Yube, I want 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: you to like check my work on this so like 44 00:02:50,840 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: you have you you Taka Yabe, Yoshihiro, Hagiwara, Takua, the Sekiguchi, Haruki, MoMA, Masahiro, Seyucha, Caro, Karuki, Kenji, Kanzawa, Masahi, Cody, Nobiu, Nobioki, Ittaya, 45 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: shin Chiu, Yoshida, Yasahito, Sgi, Toshi, Toshi, Yashiya, sha yan Yano, 46 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: E g E, t Ryochi, Nagatomi, all listed on this 47 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: All listed on the article Knee pain is associated with 48 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: lower back pain in young baseball players across sectional study 49 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: and going into that really like what they did and 50 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: like I do want to like him. This is like 51 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: a real like statement piece of a signientific article. Like 52 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: the conclusion is pretty extreme. They say, like knee pain, 53 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: it was associated with lower back pain among young baseball players. 54 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: Clinicians should pay attention to knee complaints to prevent and 55 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: treat lower back pain among young baseball players. What they 56 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: did to like feel like scientifically compelled, like scientifically able 57 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: to say those words, is that like they looked at 58 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: like youth players ages six to fifteen, about sixteen hundred 59 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: young players in Japan of different groups like different like age, sex, 60 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,559 Speaker 1: body mass index, team levels of the number of days 61 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: of training per week, players had, number of hours of 62 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: practice per day on weekends, weekdays, frequency of participation in games, 63 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: the intensity of the practice, and the like the player's position. 64 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: And found that like, knee pain is certainly associated with 65 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: lower back pain in young baseball players, and I really 66 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: want to emphasize they said that clinicians should pay attention 67 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: to knee complaints to prevent and treat lower back pain, 68 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: a phrase like I don't want to get hung up 69 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: too much on how it is phrased, but I am 70 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: inclined to a bit saying like should pay attention to 71 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: knee complaints really does make it sound like they're not 72 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: paid attention to that. It is like a real ignorance 73 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: on the part of clinicians that are just like hearing 74 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: about knee pain and not digging that down to like 75 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: the back, not like fully exploring where the pain is 76 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: and the extent of it. And you have Jazz who 77 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: played through a torn meniscus Mayo Clinic citing them on this. 78 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: They describe what a meniscus is. Each knee has two 79 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: menis ski They're like rubbery sea shaped cushions that serve 80 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: as shock absorbers in the knee joint. If your meniscus 81 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: is injured or torn, often called torn cartilage, your your 82 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: healthcare provider might recommend surgery to remove the damaged part 83 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: or to repair it. And it isn't really clear what 84 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: Jazz had, and I'm not really clear what that would implicate, 85 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: but the article does go on to describe what many 86 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: people with the torn meniscus choose surgery because the injured 87 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: cartilage can make the knee unstable, buckle and like give way, 88 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: causing pain, swelling, causing the knee to quote like lock 89 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: up or to become quote stuck. So like, I know, 90 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: like at this point you're like, Andrew, what's the story? 91 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: And really like the story is that like that sort 92 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: of like locking up becoming stuck. That's a really big 93 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: thing for Jazz, Like that's a big thing for baseball players, 94 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: the ability to like stably plant your leg, adaptively approach 95 00:06:54,600 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: to pitch hit it. Notably, like Jazz's Baseballs of for 96 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two really does not like his like outstanding 97 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: improvements on the field as a defensive player, his outstanding 98 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: sprint speed and like actually a decline in his like 99 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: max exit below his like maybe like the power his 100 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: bat possesses, if you will. And that like isn't to 101 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: say he's like declined so much as like you're looking 102 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: at a real like star player that's like a player 103 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 1: who like sprints in an elite manner and fields really 104 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: well and can hit with above average power is like 105 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: a star type player. And circumstantially he's really in like 106 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: a rut with that. Even just like keeping a look 107 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: at his Savant page, you can see that he was 108 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: able to have very positive production against like fastballs, with 109 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: like lesser so against off speed, and that really does 110 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: track with his ability to like plant his knee and 111 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: shifted around and get as much force as he can 112 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: on a ball in a way that's like sustainable and 113 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: repeatable and not causing pain. It's important to note that 114 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,119 Speaker 1: like the study I cited from Japan, is the group 115 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: of developing players like a group of like young athletes 116 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: similar to Jazz, and that they're both these I guess 117 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: like literally set of sixteen hundred people and Jazz Chisholm 118 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: are that they're both trying to like push themselves to 119 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: be better at baseball. They're trying to develop strength all 120 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: through their body. They're trying to just become the best 121 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: they can presumably or at least to a certain extent 122 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: that is, like play the game, beat the other team. 123 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: The study did control for varying degrees of intensity, so 124 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: I really wanted to dive a bit deeper into all 125 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: of that, address that there is definitely a connection between 126 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: those two injuries and get a feel for what like 127 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: the prognosis might be. Really it's hard to find much 128 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: other than like recovery strengthen when you after your surgery, 129 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: talk to your like sports coaches to see what they say. 130 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: Like there's a pretty clear like handshake of like the 131 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: doctor to like whatever support staff we're talking about here, 132 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: and with like Jazz, we're talking about the Maya Marlins 133 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: support stuff and whoever else is in his corner as 134 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: it were. See, I wanted to highlight this because it 135 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: is a really important issue for the Marlins to be 136 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: able to develop like a productively performing athlete at like 137 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: a high level. Like Jazz. He seems to be like 138 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: really the sort of player that you would want to 139 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: be building around and the sort of player that you 140 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: should be investing in, and that means like offering whatever 141 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: support you can. I mean personally, I think it would 142 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: be a great idea to like just make this whole 143 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: like off season rehab process something of like a reality show. 144 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: I don't know I would do it. And that's like 145 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: a really out of hand recommend But there is a 146 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: fact that like five Marlins this year really had like 147 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: back issues this season. Jorge Hilaire, Anthony Bender both like 148 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: notably really high torque players, Brian Anderson, Trevor Rodgers representing 149 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: homegrown Marlins and really like maybe the most notable homegrown 150 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: Marlins in recent memory. Then you have Jesu Sanchez, who 151 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports noticed your like day to day with upper 152 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: back pain earlier in the year, and that's another really 153 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: high torque player. And it's really like important for the 154 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: Marlin that these players perform well if they like, if 155 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: those players were all performing well together, you're Brian Anderson, 156 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: jorgez Hilaire, Jesus Sanchez, Jazz chishm' junior, they were all 157 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: like going well at the same time. It's a totally 158 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: different picture for the Marlins than this sort of like 159 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: physically out of picture jazz that were seen now. So yeah, 160 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: I just wanted to take some attention towards jazz chism, 161 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: Junior's sort of moment here, and yeah, the Marlins will 162 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: face off against the Chicago Cubs today at six forty 163 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: pm at Lone Depot Park, Jesus Lozardo taking on Marcus Stroman. 164 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: Keep it tuned to Fish Stripes today as we head 165 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: towards that start. We'll get you updated on anything that 166 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: happens leading up to that game. Thank you for listening, 167 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: and I'll be back with you on Friday