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Speaker 2: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode nine ten, and it starts snap.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 2: Buda Baker, what Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azy

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Speaker 2: He said a ten half of five. He's it again.

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Speaker 2: Some more hurry magic.

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Speaker 3: Whow Here's Craig Grieler.

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Speaker 2: Happy Monday. That's how JG.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have to go back a little bit.

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Speaker 1: influx of talent, this could be a top ten defensive unit.

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Speaker 1: What what do you like about Nick Rawlis the scheme

432
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Speaker 1: and then the pieces that they added.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know when Nick Rawles and Jonathan Gannon and

434
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Speaker 4: I kind of I like that they're following a little

435
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Speaker 4: bit with the Philadelphia blueprint, where you know you you

436
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Speaker 4: have a good sound second there, you know there they

437
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Speaker 4: might get beat sometimes, but they're going to be in

438
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Speaker 4: the right place and maybe it won't be a lot

439
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Speaker 4: of inceptions. But again, you just want to live to

440
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Speaker 4: see another down or live to see another day. And

441
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Speaker 4: I think when you don't have talent, you got to

442
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Speaker 4: make sure things are easy. You got to make sure

443
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Speaker 4: peoper communicate, people know their assignment. Maybe sometimes less is more,

444
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Speaker 4: and when you have so many players on offense, just

445
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Speaker 4: just be in the middle of the packet.

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Speaker 2: That's okay.

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Speaker 4: Defensively, especially nowadays, you know when you got Mahomes and

448
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Speaker 4: Burrow and all these quarterbacks are lining it up, like

449
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Speaker 4: if you're the middle of the pack, maybe that's okay.

450
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Speaker 4: But you could tell that Jonathan Gannon he wants to

451
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Speaker 4: have what the Eagles have, and that's depth on depth

452
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Speaker 4: on the defensive front, and you didn't really have that

453
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Speaker 4: a year ago. You're trying to make players who are

454
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Speaker 4: middle linebackers into edge rushers. You're trying to find any

455
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Speaker 4: combination to get players to be consistent as attacking the

456
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Speaker 4: quarterback so right away and they win it for in

457
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Speaker 4: so you make make the splash for Josh Sweat and

458
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Speaker 4: thing with Josh Sweat, you know, I like to sign

459
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Speaker 4: a lot. Obviously they know each other. Agannon and Sweat

460
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Speaker 4: from the day from those days in Philadelphia. I think

461
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Speaker 4: he had eleven sacks in twenty twenty two. But it's

462
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Speaker 4: just that Sweat is always reliable and for some reason

463
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Speaker 4: it doesn't get talked about when it comes to top

464
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Speaker 4: edge rusher that get it. Miles Gary and Michael Parsons,

465
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Speaker 4: t J. Watt, These are very good players. But we

466
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Speaker 4: saw in the Super Bowl he was clutched. He comes through,

467
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Speaker 4: and I think one thing that he's going to be

468
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Speaker 4: remembered for in Philadelphia, whenever the lights were brightest and

469
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Speaker 4: it was time to show up, it's the money down,

470
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Speaker 4: go get the quarterback, he usually came through. So I

471
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Speaker 4: think having that reliable edge rusher to be your number

472
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Speaker 4: one in that system for Nick and Jonathan, it's going

473
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Speaker 4: to go a long way. But then, like I mentioned,

474
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Speaker 4: it's a depth. You know, maybe Daris Rominson does something

475
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Speaker 4: in year two. We can't just write them all because

476
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Speaker 4: he was a rough horookie year where he was injured.

477
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Speaker 4: He was the first round pick for a reason, so

478
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Speaker 4: maybe he does well. Being under Josh SWAT's wing. You

479
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Speaker 4: have other pieces to come in, especially in the interior.

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Speaker 4: I love bringing back Kalays Campbell and kind of a

481
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Speaker 4: quick story. When I was starting out as a sports writer,

482
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Speaker 4: I was an intern here at the Arizona Republic in

483
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Speaker 4: twenty eleven and my first time working on the store

484
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Speaker 4: for the NFL Beat was talking to Khalais Campbell, nicest

485
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Speaker 4: guy ever, and you know, it really gave me a conference.

486
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Speaker 2: I could do this.

487
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Speaker 4: I could cover the NFL and Kalays was great that

488
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Speaker 4: day in Flagstaff, which I also missed too being out there,

489
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Speaker 4: but him being here to help out a guy like

490
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Speaker 4: Walter Nolan, who all you heard in the lead up

491
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Speaker 4: to the draft like maybe some red flags here, maybe

492
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Speaker 4: some character concerns, maybe some work ethic issues, but if

493
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Speaker 4: he puts it together, he could maybe Jalen Carter. So

494
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Speaker 4: to me, you take a chance on that upside and

495
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Speaker 4: and you know, maybe you bringing a veteran like Kalays

496
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Speaker 4: Campbell to maybe help him out find that potential. You know,

497
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Speaker 4: just work at your craft and how to be a professional.

498
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Speaker 4: Same thing with Darwyn Thomlinson, who's been a pro everywhere

499
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Speaker 4: he's gone, Cleveland, Minnesota. So to bring in those two guys,

500
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Speaker 4: you not only get depth, you get leadership to help

501
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Speaker 4: a young guy. So to me, that's the biggest change

502
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Speaker 4: from you know, year one to year three for Jonathan Goan.

503
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Speaker 4: You have the talent, you have the depth. That's the

504
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Speaker 4: way you could do now and maybe you become a

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Speaker 4: top to top ten defense.

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Speaker 2: We know with this Cardinals defensive line, they love to

507
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Speaker 2: rotate and even in the one on one drills we've

508
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Speaker 2: seen so far. Your quote unquote third team defensive lineman

509
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Speaker 2: were your starters last year with Justin Jones and Dante's

510
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Speaker 2: still so we've started to see a lot of those

511
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Speaker 2: rotations and they're doing their job. They're executing against the

512
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Speaker 2: third team offensive line. But that's just what happens when

513
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Speaker 2: you bring in guys like Koys Campbell and Dalvin Tomlinson

514
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Speaker 2: to become your new faces of that unit. You mentioned

515
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Speaker 2: Walter Nolan and the character concerns. I will give him

516
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Speaker 2: some credit and give a little bit of promotion as well.

517
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Speaker 2: He was just at Will Johnson's community event under one

518
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Speaker 2: off day that they've had so far throughout training camp.

519
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Speaker 2: So it's been pretty neat to see both Will Johnson

520
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Speaker 2: and Walter Nolan kind of being the faces of this

521
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Speaker 2: rookie class in the community. And I got to give

522
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Speaker 2: you some credit because you predicted Will Johnson to the

523
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Speaker 2: Cardinals at a point it just was at pick sixteen.

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Speaker 2: How surprised were you to see him slide all the

525
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Speaker 2: way down to forty seven And why were you convicted

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Speaker 2: even at sixteen that he could be a good fit

527
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Speaker 2: here in Arizona.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like by Monk draft, I got a

529
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Speaker 4: lot of player team rights, but different rounds of such

530
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Speaker 4: a weird draft.

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Speaker 1: Well it was I haven't written down mock eight point

532
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Speaker 1: zero on April third. Well yeah, but he look, yeah,

533
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Speaker 1: you there was a lot of people that felt that

534
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Speaker 1: Will Johnson was a first round talent and just get

535
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Speaker 1: selected in the second round.

536
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Speaker 2: But what did you like about him? Yeah?

537
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Speaker 4: So you know, the draft is always obviously very risky,

538
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Speaker 4: and me being the out on the outside, I'm being

539
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Speaker 4: asked to make these Monck drafts, Like what the hell

540
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Speaker 4: do I know? Like that it's so hard to predict

541
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Speaker 4: the mock draft. But these these coaches, these teams, they

542
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Speaker 4: were having these conversations with players. They want to hear

543
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Speaker 4: out all these concerns, and you know, is it just

544
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Speaker 4: kind of a smoke screen? Is it just with the

545
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Speaker 4: media speculation, or like, what's going on here? We need

546
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Speaker 4: to know what's going on. So, you know, most most

547
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Speaker 4: of the times, I favor the team. Like if you're

548
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Speaker 4: drafting Will Johnson and you're very eager to take them

549
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Speaker 4: in the second round, then you did your homework. He's

550
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Speaker 4: healthy and I remember when he talked to the local

551
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Speaker 4: media when after he got drafted, he was like, I

552
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Speaker 4: don't know where that came from. But I'm ready to go,

553
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, Okay, that's all I need to hear.

554
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Speaker 4: That's a great pick because you get interior help in

555
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Speaker 4: Walter Nolan, who has probably the most upside from all

556
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Speaker 4: the deams of tackles, and that's I forget. It was

557
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: a very loaded dems of tackle class for the draft.

558
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Speaker 4: But and then you get Will Johnson. And the thing

559
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Speaker 4: Will john I was high on. You know, it wasn't

560
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Speaker 4: maybe as loaded as it was with ed drushers and

561
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Speaker 4: nieves and tackles when it comes to cornerback. But Will

562
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Speaker 4: Johnson to me, came off as if you're gonna pick

563
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Speaker 4: one cornerback to be a shutdown corner in the future,

564
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Speaker 4: We're like, put him to the outside, number one guy,

565
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: who's your best wide receiver. Let me go take him

566
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Speaker 4: and shadow him for the for the entire game. It

567
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Speaker 4: felt like Will Johnson has that skill set. We saw

568
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Speaker 4: it at Michigan when he won the national championship with

569
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Speaker 4: Jim Harbaugh. Obviously, there were some injuries that came into

570
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Speaker 4: last year, but he had the most hype going into

571
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four college football season because what he did

572
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Speaker 4: in twenty three, So you know, why can't he go

573
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Speaker 4: back to that. Injuries happened in the NFL. So sometimes

574
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Speaker 4: it's okay to roll the dice, and you tell me

575
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Speaker 4: that's his upside to be a shutdown corner. I'm not

576
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Speaker 4: saying he's gonna be Patrish for Tan the second, but

577
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Speaker 4: if the possibility is there, why not enroll the dice.

578
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Speaker 4: So I know Baron from Denver, he was more of

579
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Speaker 4: a you know, burstatile inside outside you want to have

580
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Speaker 4: that too as well. But I'm always going to favor

581
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Speaker 4: the number one outside cornerback even like look at Philadelphia

582
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Speaker 4: you got Quinn Queenyon Mitchell and Coope dejon or Degene

583
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Speaker 4: and he is more versatile, but you know, Mitchell is

584
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Speaker 4: more of a shutdown corner. So it's it's what's it's

585
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Speaker 4: what you need. And I honestly think Arizona needs that

586
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Speaker 4: shut down corner to help out Buddha Baker, who I

587
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Speaker 4: feel like has been having that heavy workload for the

588
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Speaker 4: last few years. So you know, having a good front

589
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Speaker 4: to bring pressure, you know, could make it could help

590
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Speaker 4: a rookie where you're still learning the life of the NFL,

591
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Speaker 4: where you're gonna give up some big plays, it's gonna happen.

592
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Speaker 4: The cornerback might be the hardest position to play as

593
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Speaker 4: a rookie, and I just mentioned Quenyon Minchell. It may

594
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Speaker 4: it look easy, but you know he has the skill

595
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Speaker 4: set to be a shutdown corner. So to me, it

596
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Speaker 4: made it made too much sense, especially after you got

597
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Speaker 4: Josh Wet and free agency. You you answered that that

598
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Speaker 4: immediate need at edge rusher, why don't you build the secondary,

599
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Speaker 4: And honestly, in the NFL are you're gonna, you know,

600
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Speaker 4: pick position to focus on. Defensively, it's gonna be the front.

601
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Speaker 4: You want pass rushers, but then you know you gotta

602
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Speaker 4: also be able to cover as well. And we'll see

603
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Speaker 4: what they do with Will Johnson.

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Speaker 1: We're all excited about the upcoming season here with the

605
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Speaker 1: Arizona card within the NFC West kind of forecast or

606
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Speaker 1: because I've said it before that I think you can

607
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Speaker 1: make a case that any of the four teams could

608
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Speaker 1: win the division and any of the four teams could

609
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Speaker 1: finish last in the division. It's how you do in

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Speaker 1: those division games and who gets on a roll, and

611
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Speaker 1: obviously who stays healthy. But within your perspective seeing it

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Speaker 1: from the outside, looking at this NFC West, whether it's

613
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Speaker 1: just one team or perhaps a wild card team coming

614
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Speaker 1: out of this, how do you see it shaking out?

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Speaker 1: And where the Cardinals fit in that mix?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the NFC West is very tough to predict, and

617
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Speaker 4: they're they're always asking me, an, Si, can you predict

618
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 4: the playoff teams?

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Speaker 2: And May?

620
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Speaker 4: I'm like, it's May like but honestly, like they want

621
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Speaker 4: to ask me, like in March and Ampril, I'm like,

622
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Speaker 4: can I wait to the draft? Can I wait till

623
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Speaker 4: the schedule comes out? And then when May comes around? Like,

624
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Speaker 4: all right, enough enough, can you give us your prediction?

625
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: And then you're like, can't wait till training? Who's going

626
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 4: to be healthy? Can we just wait till then? But

627
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Speaker 4: that May is my last I guess, you know week

628
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Speaker 4: to make my prediction. And I went with two teams

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Speaker 4: at the NMC West and I went with the Rams

630
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Speaker 4: and I went with the Cardinals. And I'll give you

631
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Speaker 4: a breakdown there. And even with the Rams, like you mentioned,

632
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Speaker 4: it could be a first first place team or a

633
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Speaker 4: last place team because the NBC West is so close.

634
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Speaker 4: But the Rams are just always consistent because you have

635
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Speaker 4: Sean McVay, you have the quarterback, proven quarterback in matters.

636
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Speaker 4: Staffordho's won a Super Bowl and keeps doing a year

637
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: in a year out. And they they in the draft

638
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Speaker 4: bo too. Even when the roster doesn't look nice, you

639
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 4: tend to say they're going to figure it out. Pooking

640
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 4: the cool Kyra Williams that they usually get on right

641
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 4: Jerry versus last year. But I have a lot of

642
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 4: concerns about the rams. Like on the O offensive line.

643
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Speaker 4: I get getting an extra first round pick, that's always great.

644
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna you know, you know, criticized for getting

645
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Speaker 4: an extra first round pick, but they went down to

646
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 4: the second round. They didn't have a first round pick

647
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: this year, and you could have used it on an

648
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: offensive lineman, a linebacker, a cornerback. They have three major

649
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: holes at three, you know, very critical positions on your roster.

650
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 4: The offinsive line. Uh you know you have some older attacks.

651
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 4: I think they're left tackles dealing with blood clouds, having stain.

652
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: The right tackle has coming off. I think two shoulder surgeries.

653
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: But they got pooke in the cool. They got Davonte Adam,

654
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 4: Kyen Williams, so skill positions past the rushers, they're loaded

655
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: but linebacker, we saw what happened with Seqwon Parkley. That

656
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 4: was a problem there. So I'm just very concerned about them.

657
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: But I also really liked them, so that's where that

658
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 4: comes in. First to last. But they are the team

659
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: that I went first to win the division. They just

660
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: you know, they're proven. Maybe it's an easy answer, maybe

661
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 4: it's a little bit of a cop out, but number

662
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: two was very difficult. And I made sure I get

663
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: a second team the NFC West because there's a lot

664
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: of teams in NFC North, there's a lot of teams

665
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: in the NFC East. But for some reason, I kept

666
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: going back to Arizona, and in Arizona kind of broke

667
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: my heart a little bit because I was all in

668
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 4: last year and then, like I mentioned, there were six

669
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: and four, but the defensive additions. And then now knowing

670
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: that I could trust that defensive scheme from Jonathan Gann,

671
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: I saw, you're one of year two, how much they've progressed. Yeah,

672
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 4: they could have done a lot more last year, but

673
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: you're in this right trajectory where you're getting better every

674
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: single year.

675
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: I trust that.

676
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: I think, you know, you know, Jonathan Gannon could maybe

677
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: keep building that and even the GM, MONTI they've been

678
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: doing great. They've been they've been finding talent. So now

679
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: that you finally you know kind of it takes a

680
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: while or two for new regimes to get what you

681
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 4: want in play So with Monty and Jonathan Gannon coming

682
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: in twenty three, you got two years now. And I

683
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 4: always say this, by year three you better make the

684
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: playoffs or show they're gonna be a consistent winner, or

685
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 4: the pressure is on for you as a head coach

686
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: in the GM. So there is pressure art this year,

687
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: but you've seen a lot of things you could trust

688
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 4: and count on for this regime. So going out in

689
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 4: defensively I love that. And then you already have the

690
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: offense in place and they're gonna run it back. I'm

691
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: okay with that too. So to me, I favored them

692
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: over Seattle because Seattle you essentially traded Gino and Dk

693
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 4: Metcalf for Sam Darnold, a Cooper Cup and a lot

694
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 4: of moving parts like Sam Darnold a one year wonder.

695
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

696
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: Now you're going to a new system, a new coach,

697
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: a new city and new everything. I couldn't get behind that.

698
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 4: I loved your debt by the way they've They've really

699
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: turned a lot of draft picks from the rest of

700
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 4: the l and trade into good, you know, quality of players.

701
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 4: But I just can't trust too many unknowns there. And

702
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: then the last one, uh is the forty nine ers.

703
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 4: I want to get behind the fourn holes because they

704
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: still have a lot of talent. You got you just

705
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: pay Brock Purty. You got Christian McCaffrey, you got Trent Williams,

706
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: George Kittle. There's this narrative out there they got good

707
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: at this offseason, and that's not really the case. They

708
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: got a little younger and need a little bit of

709
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: a reset. You needed to fix the salary cap to

710
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: pay Brock Purdy, but you still have a lot of talent.

711
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: Thing with them is I worry about the defense. You

712
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: have Nick Bosa, you got Fred Warner. Those a great two,

713
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 4: you know, building blocks right there to help the young guys.

714
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 4: But can Michael Williams do it right away as an

715
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: edge rusher? Can Afric Collins do right away? And the

716
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: thief's a tackle? Can Nick Martin be your linebacker? As

717
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: to Fred Warner, they're just very young.

718
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: For me.

719
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: They have I suppose an easy schedule, but I never

720
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 4: put to the stock into a schedule and strength the schedule.

721
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: To me, you know, you just don't know who's going

722
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: to be good that year. And again they make me

723
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: predict all these win losses at SI, but I'm like,

724
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: who's gonna be healthy that week? I have no idea,

725
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: But I gave you that rundown there. But to me,

726
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: foury and irows are young, it's kind of like a

727
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: new era. I just can't fully trust that Seattle too

728
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: many moving parts. But Arizona, why not keep going? It's

729
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: kind of like a stock right, Like you're seeing it

730
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: build and it's like, why would I pull out now?

731
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: And it's kind of gradually get him better and better.

732
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 4: Maybe this is a year three is the way they

733
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: kind of pop up and gave me some big money here.

734
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: Well, we know Week fourteen and Week eighteen are going

735
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: to be the matchups against the Rams. So that's just

736
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: when you're getting closer towards the back end of the

737
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: schedule and you're starting to playoff contention, it's starting to

738
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: become something that you could pencil in a little bit better.

739
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: Those two matchup Craigs are going to be the ones

740
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: that I think people are going to be watching out for.

741
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: But it does start when you play the forty nine

742
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: ers Week three and then that Thursday night game against Seattle.

743
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon has yet to beat Seattle Craig, so if

744
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: he has that opportunity to beat him, then watch out

745
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: in the West.

746
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: Good news is that you know Smith's out of the

747
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: Aution because he was undefeated against the Arizona Cardinals, which

748
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: is not a good thing. Great breakdown, Appreciate it and

749
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: look forward to reading and covering all of your stuff

750
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: on Sports Illustrated. And if you don't get to Seattle,

751
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean, they're so far out in that

752
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest it doesn't matter. But Gilberto love the opportunity

753
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: to speak with you here for a couple of minutes.

754
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for the time. This is fun and

755
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: I'm glad I got to share all this Cardinals knowledge

756
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 4: here on this podcast.

757
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Hopefully this team doesn't break your heart

758
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: like they did last year.

759
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm hoping for that too.

760
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: One good information. Two.

761
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: How about that the Arizona Cardinals a playoff team In

762
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: the mind of Gilberto, the Rams win the NFC West

763
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals get in as a wild Card.

764
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: I don't like it. You want the division. I want

765
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: the division. I want the playoff game here at State

766
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: Farm Stadium. Let's be greedy. And of course, if we're

767
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: going to be making the playoffs and we're going to

768
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: be predicting stuff, at least I'm going to predict pretty boldly.

769
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: And I don't think as boldly as it might seem

770
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: in as homer as it might seem in a lot

771
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: of ways, I don't think it's unrealistic. Every single expert

772
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: that has discussed this NFC West Division, while it's tough

773
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: to get the rankings the same, every expert analyst has

774
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: consensusly discussed and decided that any of the four teams

775
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: could go in any direction. So I don't think that

776
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 2: it's crazy to say that the Cardinals could win the West,

777
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: especially if they start the season off strong. You have

778
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: that Week three game against the San Francisco forty nine ers,

779
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: You go on Thursday Night Football against the Seattle Seahawks,

780
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: and like I've previously have said, I think that that

781
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: game on Thursday Night Football, that rivalry game as well,

782
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: that's when you really start the season off strong, and

783
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: a lot of eys are going to be on you

784
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: pretty early on that Monday night football game last year

785
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: against the Los Angeles Chargers was on ESPN plus there

786
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: was another game going on, so it was a little

787
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: bit different. This is going to be a game that

788
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to be watching, and

789
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: it's on Kyler Murray and this offense to truly perform,

790
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: and it's on the offensive line to keep Leonard Williams contained.

791
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: I know Isaiah Adams was talking about earlier in the

792
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: week this past week about how his first start was

793
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: against Leonard Williams and he kind of got thrown to

794
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: that fire in that Week twelve game. And that was

795
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: also Jonah Williams's first game back as well, so there

796
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: was a lot of changes on that offensive line. This year,

797
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: it better be a different outcome against the Seattle Seahawks

798
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: in order to win the division.

799
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: That five game stretch in September. You play the forty

800
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: nine Ers in San Francisco week three, September twenty first,

801
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: come back home four days later September twenty fifth, to

802
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 1: kickoff Week four against the Seahawks. And within those first

803
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: four games, you have two division games before you exit

804
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: the first month of the season.

805
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: Do you split.

806
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: Can you sweep those two games and set you up

807
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: for a potential nice season build and maybe get some

808
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: wins in your back pocket for that second half, which

809
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: is a tough second half of the regular season.

810
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: And of course we're looking a little bit down the

811
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: schedule already those first two games too. The Cardinals should

812
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: win those two games against the New Orleans Saints and

813
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers and the home opener that the Saints

814
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: obviously have a lot of questions at quarterback right now.

815
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: I saw one of their beat reporters was tweeting out

816
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: saying how competitive the practices are, but Tyler Shock has

817
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: really been struggling, and depending on if he's the quarterback

818
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: or Spencer Ratlers, the quarterback is still to be determined.

819
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: And that's something that I would expect Kellen Moore to

820
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: also keep kind of close to the vest over there.

821
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: It's gonna be his first big time decision as the

822
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: New Orleans Saints head coach, who was going to be

823
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback against the Arizona Cardinals in Week one. Regardless,

824
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: you go on the road to New Orleans, you have

825
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: to beat them. You have that revenge game against the

826
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers, who you lost to in overtime and truthfully

827
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: derailed the season in its entirety last year in twenty

828
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: twenty four. And then San Fran. You went to San

829
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: Fran last year at this time of the year in

830
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: the blistering hot weather and Kyler Murray breaks free for

831
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 2: that fifty yard touchdown where he calls his shot forty

832
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: five yards away from the from the goal line. Yes,

833
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: you have to win that game. But the Thursday night game,

834
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: who's the one I think is going to be the

835
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: most important, because we saw last year how that loss

836
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: of the Seattle Seahawks the first go around really stuck

837
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: with them, and then the second loss two weeks later

838
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: really hurt them, and then you could start to see

839
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: this is a different Cardinals team. They beat Seattle week

840
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 2: four Thursday night football primetime matchup at your home stadium.

841
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: You have to perform first Thursday night games since twenty

842
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: twenty two for the Arizona Cardinals. By the way, if

843
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: he did not catch it, I strongly encourage everyone to

844
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: look at Sports Illustrated or just go to Gilberto's Twitter

845
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: page at g Monzano twenty four for his ride up

846
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: on the time that he spent at cards camp and

847
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: his conversations with Jonathan Gannon with Nick Rolis specifically about

848
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan Befe because we haven't seen Walter on the field.

849
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: He's been around practice, but we haven't seen him. But

850
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: reading the quotes from Jag and from Rawles, it certainly

851
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: sounds like sooner rather than later as far as when

852
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 2: we see Walter on the field. But just the excitement level,

853
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: especially from Nick about what they saw in the offseason

854
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: from Walt on the field, and hopefully that can carry

855
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: over into the regular season because it's not just the

856
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: run defense, but how dominant potentially as an interior defensive

857
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: linement he can be to get into the backfield to

858
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 2: perhaps rough up some quarterbacks. I think the direct quote,

859
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: and if it's not the direct quote then I'll say

860
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: it's a paraphrasing of the quote, is that Jag said

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Speaker 2: they're going to try to get Walt up and running

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Speaker 2: very soon, and that is something that's very encouraging to

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Speaker 2: have your first round defensive lineman who's dealing with that

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Speaker 2: calf injury to potentially have him start to insert himself

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Speaker 2: into the mix. Now, what does soon mean soon is

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Speaker 2: subjective and Jonathan gannon soon could be very different than

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Speaker 2: my soon. I'm not sure we are friends as discussed

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Speaker 2: on the top, but still it's a little bit different

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Speaker 2: when it comes down to our analysis of injuries. At

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, though, with Walter Nolan the Third,

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Speaker 2: he has received such props from this coaching staff. And

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Speaker 2: I saw in Danny Sirex one on one interview with

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Speaker 2: coach Deebo at the Wigwam when they were talking and

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Speaker 2: he was talking about coach Deebo. I love the term

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Speaker 2: he used. He said, Walter Nolan the Third is addicted

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Speaker 2: to football and addicted to getting better. And I think

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Speaker 2: that that's something that is truly remarkable because to have

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Speaker 2: a first round pick, they sometimes you know, Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 2: Junior was the type of guy that liked to work

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Speaker 2: in silence and didn't really want to have a lot

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Speaker 2: of If his name wasn't Marvin Harrison Junior, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: he would have loved to have gone through a lot

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Speaker 2: of the draft process and everything else under the radar.

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Speaker 2: But I love how openly willing Walt is to discuss

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Speaker 2: his process and how much he wants to get better.

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Speaker 2: Texting coach Debo, you don't always have that relationship with

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Speaker 2: your defensive line coach, with your position coach where you

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Speaker 2: have the where you feel the respect, the mutual respect

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Speaker 2: to text him in the middle of the night saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: I saw this clip. What about if we tried doing this,

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Speaker 2: or what about if we tried doing that? As a

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Speaker 2: first round pick? It could be discouraging not being out

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Speaker 2: there on the football field. We saw that with d

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Speaker 2: when he was going through his struggles. How much that

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Speaker 2: could take a toll on the players To see Walt

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Speaker 2: still on the practice field with the guy standing off

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Speaker 2: to the side wearing that compression sleeve that he seems

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Speaker 2: to be wearing on his calf, while also still speaking

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Speaker 2: with the coaching staff, still texting coach Debo saying why

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Speaker 2: don't we try to implement this? I think when Walt

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Speaker 2: does come back, because he will come back this season,

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Speaker 2: it will be a smooth transition because he has the

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Speaker 2: hunger and the drive to get back out there. Well said.

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Speaker 1: By the way, there are two more open practices for

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday and Wednesday as well. Thursday is the final practice,

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Speaker 1: but that is a close practice and.

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Speaker 2: Then that's it. We are done with Cards camp. It's

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Speaker 2: flown by I don't even know what day of the

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Speaker 2: week it is. Thank you for breaking on the schedule,

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Speaker 2: but look, it's exciting times. This is no longer the

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Speaker 2: time for just talk. It's the time for action. And

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Speaker 2: I think that first preseason game later this week against

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Speaker 2: the Kansas Ay Chiefs, you're gonna learn a lot about

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Speaker 2: this Cardinals team. And we've already seen it in practice

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Speaker 2: how they look different, especially along the defensive front. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be very different when they're going up against

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Speaker 2: a different team wearing the red and white.

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Speaker 1: It's just going to be a different color uniform, different

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Speaker 1: bodies across from you, in a different evaluation. The next

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Speaker 1: step in the evaluation for these coaches to get from

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Speaker 1: ninety to fifty three, So that is coming up on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and on that notes, we will put a lid on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by a Hyundai,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer Jim Almahudro our associate producer Cody Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Zach Kershman, I'm Greig Rayolu. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two