Speaker 1: On this episode of This League, Man, it finally happens
Speaker 1: the conversation between Draymond Green and Kevin Durant about that
Speaker 1: infamous kerfuffle back in twenty eighteen against the Clippers that
Speaker 1: possibly most likely was the final nail in the coffin
Speaker 1: to get Kevin Durant to say, deuces, I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to break this down.
Speaker 2: This interview was fire, So let's go and drop the beat.
Speaker 3: Martyn to take care and said, you'll be waiting for
Speaker 3: the area.
Speaker 4: Plan never got the gran and I go, let me go.
Speaker 3: There we go, even when we reached the keep going
Speaker 3: till everybody knows.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird when people decide that they're going
Speaker 1: to settle some I don't want to say beef, but
Speaker 1: like unresolved issues and they're gonna do it for the
Speaker 1: very first time on camera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's super well. I can't imagine doing that.
Speaker 1: Like when Magic it was it was Thomas and Isaiah
Speaker 1: Thomas and they it was like emotional and they're crying,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, is this the place to do that?
Speaker 1: Is this bringing out the most vulnerability in you? Is
Speaker 1: this bringing out the most honesty? Maybe because it's being filmed.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it's like sort of a people
Speaker 1: make decisions to go and try to find love on
Speaker 1: camera as well, and it's like, I don't know, kind
Speaker 1: of strange, but listen, I enjoyed it. So Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: and Draymond decided to settle that old beef. I guess
Speaker 1: you could call it on Draymond Green's new show called Chips, which,
Speaker 1: as an aside, Marty, It's not Chips as in Championships,
Speaker 1: is Draymond Green's show about people with chips on their shoulder.
Speaker 1: So it's literally all about guys in the league with
Speaker 1: chips on their shoulder, which you could kind of tell
Speaker 1: after Katie talked about this is like every single player,
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty of them in the league all
Speaker 1: have chips on their shoulders for different reasons, valid and
Speaker 1: not valid.
Speaker 2: So I thought that was like really funny.
Speaker 1: So I didn't I expected them to be honest, but
Speaker 1: I did not expect them both to blow up the Warriors'
Speaker 1: front office, like just completely bury them, which is exactly
Speaker 1: what happened. So twenty eighteen, here's the background. Twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: KT's in a contract year. Just for folks, who are
Speaker 1: like not remembering this because as it was like three
Speaker 1: years ago, and you know, if you're not in the weeds,
Speaker 1: and you're not in the weeds. So the media is
Speaker 1: swarming around Kevin Durant, like preseason training camp all.
Speaker 2: That, like, Kat, this is your contract year. What are
Speaker 2: you up to? What are you gonna do? Like how
Speaker 2: are you feeling? What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Are you talking so much?
Speaker 1: Well, you can't try and tell what are you talking?
Speaker 1: We found a photo of you talking to Kyrie with
Speaker 1: your hand over your face.
Speaker 2: What was that about? Like you and him were at
Speaker 2: All Star game? Blah blah blahlah.
Speaker 1: Blah, and like everybody at this point, and they're asking
Speaker 1: Draymond and they're asking a goodola and they're asking Steph
Speaker 1: Curry and they're not just asking them, they're asking them
Speaker 1: every single day.
Speaker 2: It's every day.
Speaker 1: And Kevin Durant, that's the one where Kevin Durant was like,
Speaker 1: stop fucking asking me, you know. So Draymond at this
Speaker 1: point feels the non commitment because.
Speaker 2: He's being non committal.
Speaker 1: Tensions are brewing, things are bubbling, and then the Warriors
Speaker 1: play the Clippers. Get this, not in March, not in April.
Speaker 1: This is November eighteenth, folks. This is the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season, and it all comes to a head right then.
Speaker 2: So this is what he said. This is what happened.
Speaker 1: I got the rebound, I took it up the court.
Speaker 1: Kay's clapping for the ball and taking and I'm taking off.
Speaker 1: I'm driving up the court. In my mind, Kay is
Speaker 1: about to come in for the trail and I'm about
Speaker 1: to pitch it back. He's about to walk into the three.
Speaker 1: We're going home, and we got a game tomorrow. This
Speaker 1: is how I envision the whole play happening. As I
Speaker 1: turn to go across the court for the pitchback, KD
Speaker 1: has completely stopped coming. So then I dribble the ball
Speaker 1: off my foot looking for him, and it went all wrong.
Speaker 1: They lose the ball game over. Kevin Durant is like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's not.
Speaker 2: What I saw.
Speaker 1: This is how I played it out. We got the stop,
Speaker 1: I'm grabbing the rebound. As soon as I cross half court,
Speaker 1: I'm shooting it. Durant said, that was the disconnect.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: I wanted that ball in the moment. Draymond saw it
Speaker 1: a different way, and that was the clash. Okay, So
Speaker 1: that's like, that's what's happening in their minds, but what
Speaker 1: actually played out in reality is Durant being like, YO,
Speaker 1: give me the motherfucking ball.
Speaker 2: Give me the ball. What are you doing?
Speaker 1: And then Draymond Green goes, I was fucking passing you
Speaker 1: the ball if you would have fucking ran.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, yo, you better.
Speaker 1: And he said something else to Draymond, and Draymond responds
Speaker 1: on the bench because this is happening on the court,
Speaker 1: and then on the bench and he says something crazy
Speaker 1: to Draymond, and Draymond goes, Yo, you better calm the
Speaker 1: fuck down. I don't know who the fuck you're talking too.
Speaker 1: And then he says something like that. We all heard like,
Speaker 1: just leave. We know you want to leave.
Speaker 2: Just leave. And that's when.
Speaker 1: Everyone was like, oh, dude, you see that.
Speaker 2: It's like that little meme where it's that little puppet
Speaker 2: and his eyes are looking around. That was all of us.
Speaker 1: And then Durant said, yo, I was so irritated because
Speaker 1: I knew the vultures were about that to eat that up.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, we were, uh huh, yes we were.
Speaker 1: I knew they were going to try to use that
Speaker 1: to divide it and separate me from the group.
Speaker 2: Pause. That's not true.
Speaker 1: What we're trying to do is get some insight into
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on here, not to divide you.
Speaker 1: But he goes that was the irritating part because I
Speaker 1: knew that was what was gonna happen. And Dramon says,
Speaker 1: the build up of everything, the media coverage around of
Speaker 1: the suspension, blah blah blah, it only made it worse and.
Speaker 2: It took on a life of its own. So we
Speaker 2: know all that that's the background.
Speaker 1: So Dramon says to Katie, finally, this is the first
Speaker 1: time I guess they've talked about this. Hey, for my
Speaker 1: own mental health, this is what he says, for my
Speaker 1: own sanity. Was that fight the reason that you left
Speaker 1: the Warriors? And this is what he said?
Speaker 2: Click it.
Speaker 5: So just for my own personal sanity, how much did
Speaker 5: our argument against the Clippers drive you to ultimately lead
Speaker 5: the Warriors?
Speaker 6: It wasn't the argument. It was the way that everybody
Speaker 6: Steve Kerr act like it didn't happen, Bob Myers and
Speaker 6: tried to just discipline you and think that that would
Speaker 6: put the mask over everything. I really felt like that
Speaker 6: was such a big situation for us as a group,
Speaker 6: the first time we went through something like that. We
Speaker 6: had to get that shit all out. I remember watching
Speaker 6: the last dance and when Scotty didn't go into the game,
Speaker 6: the whole team in the locker room said, Scotty, that
Speaker 6: was fucked up that you did that. We needed that.
Speaker 6: We just needed to throw all of that shit out
Speaker 6: on the table and say yoj okay, like that was
Speaker 6: fucked up that we even had to go through that.
Speaker 6: Let's wipe my hands with that and go go finish
Speaker 6: the task. I don't think we did that and we
Speaker 6: try to dance around it. I just didn't like how
Speaker 6: all of that, just the vibe between all of that,
Speaker 6: it just made shit weird to me. And I'd rather.
Speaker 4: Be who we say we are.
Speaker 6: Family first, communication is key, Like we didn't show that,
Speaker 6: and that's what robbed me the wrong way more than anything.
Speaker 5: When we landed back from LA I sat in the
Speaker 5: Hayes was sitting in the car for hour forty five minutes.
Speaker 5: They put me in that room that signature for our
Speaker 5: forty five minutes and they try to tell me you
Speaker 5: need to apologize.
Speaker 1: And his response was to that no, I am not
Speaker 1: gonna apologize. I'm gonna handle this with Katie the way
Speaker 1: that I want to handle it. And they're barking back
Speaker 1: and forth with Draymond. He wakes up the next day,
Speaker 1: which wasn't in this clip but was in the longer piece,
Speaker 1: so listen to that, and they go, Draymond, are you
Speaker 1: ready to apologize yet? And he goes, no, I'm going
Speaker 1: to handle it with ka how I want to. And
Speaker 1: he says right to Bob Myers, you're gonna fuck this up.
Speaker 1: You guys are fucking this up right now. The only
Speaker 1: people who can make this right are me and Kevin,
Speaker 1: not anyone else.
Speaker 2: So what do they do?
Speaker 1: They suspend Draymond. He laughs right in Bob Myers's face.
Speaker 1: Bob Myers is like what He's like, I'm either gonna
Speaker 1: cuss you out or I'm gonna laugh at you, because
Speaker 1: this is you are fucking this up right now, and
Speaker 1: the truth is now we know it actually did fuck
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant was like, yo.
Speaker 1: These people are weird, Like what is this everybody's pretending
Speaker 1: And then the media, of course is like, oh, warriors
Speaker 1: are taking Kevin Durant's side. Why are they doing this
Speaker 1: to Draymond And why don't they just let these guys
Speaker 1: handle it themselves.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, they're in agreement.
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr tried to act like nothing happened, which does
Speaker 1: not shock me. They're an agreement that Bob Myers tried
Speaker 1: desperately to get Draymond to apologize. Draymond says, fuck that.
Speaker 1: Katie watched the whole thing unfold, and he's like, this
Speaker 1: is fucking weird, starts packing his bags probably right then,
Speaker 1: like I'm out. This is fucked up because you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be what strengthen numbers, and it's like first sign.
Speaker 2: Of anything cracking.
Speaker 1: It's like everybody flees to their sides, no numbers, no strength.
Speaker 2: So the subtext to me is like pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: Rest of the interview, Kevin Durant and Draymond said that
Speaker 1: they would have probably won five more rings if he
Speaker 1: would have stayed. That's ten consecutive finals appearances, eight chips
Speaker 1: in total. Drey also said, which Katie agreed with, this
Speaker 1: was the best era in basketball. So in their minds,
Speaker 1: Bob Myers fucked up the best era in basketball and
Speaker 1: destroyed a dynasty that would have gotten eight rings. That
Speaker 1: is absolutely insane. Kevin Durant had to bounce warriors have
Speaker 1: been now in the lottery the two years two years
Speaker 1: after with weak prospects.
Speaker 2: For the future.
Speaker 1: And it's all because Bob Myers so afraid to make
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant feel uncomfortable, so they coddled him and protected
Speaker 1: him because they wanted him to stay, and that created
Speaker 1: the problem that ended up getting him to leave.
Speaker 2: Have you seen have you seen Kung Fu Panda?
Speaker 4: I've actually not, I've actually not.
Speaker 2: Such a great such a great movie. You got to
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: So the premise of the start of the movie is this,
Speaker 1: there's this dangerous.
Speaker 2: Tiger named Ti Lung.
Speaker 1: And he gets thrown into this maximum security prison for
Speaker 1: wreaking havoc on the community. And this sage comes to
Speaker 1: the palace to bring this master who trained the vicious tiger,
Speaker 1: to let him know that they have a they have
Speaker 1: some grave news. He has like a vision that Ty
Speaker 1: Lung escapes from prison and burns the whole city down.
Speaker 1: That's the vision. It's like this prophecy. So she who
Speaker 1: is like, yo, this is fucked up. I don't think
Speaker 1: this is real. This can't be real. Like he's in
Speaker 1: a maximum security prison. I don't see this, but he's like,
Speaker 1: just in case, I'm gonna send my little duck friend
Speaker 1: cartoon to the prison to check up on this vicious tiger.
Speaker 2: And in the process of the duck checking up, we're
Speaker 2: going somewhere. And the process of.
Speaker 1: The duck chucking up on this fucking thy Lung character
Speaker 1: who is a vicious tiger sitting in chains and maximum security.
Speaker 2: He's like locked up in like it's like like prison
Speaker 2: on prison on prison on prison on prison, like no
Speaker 2: way he can get out.
Speaker 1: Iron cocoon they call it, and the duck feather from
Speaker 1: the duck falls somehow he moves or does something and
Speaker 1: then the feather just comes off of him and just
Speaker 1: dwindles down, dwindows down, throws down right outside of ty
Speaker 1: Lung's cell, grabs the feather.
Speaker 2: Gets himself out of prison. Tylung is now escaped prophecy fulfilled.
Speaker 1: That is to me, Bob Myers and Steve Kerr are
Speaker 1: Master Sheifu and the duck.
Speaker 2: Truthfully, I'm not really sure who's who.
Speaker 1: And KD leaving is ty Lung the tiger Like in
Speaker 1: trying to stop KAD from leaving, you caused.
Speaker 2: Him to leave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that adds up.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: You tried to keep him happy using inauthentic bullshit. Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant has a bullshit detector like you've never seen. This
Speaker 1: is crazy. I'm out of here. These guys are weak.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna like, you're not gonna protect Draymond?
Speaker 1: Like Draymond wasn't the wrong, but I was in the wrong,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And that is to me why Bob
Speaker 1: Myers does not get the benefit of the doubt because
Speaker 1: two guys, two All stars, two Hall of Famers, said
Speaker 1: he fucked it up. He made Kevin Durant basically leave.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's other factors, but like that's
Speaker 1: the main factor.
Speaker 2: And so to me, how could I ever trust that
Speaker 2: Bob Myers.
Speaker 1: Is a a great decision maker when you're main all
Speaker 1: star who's like the heartbeat of the team. Is like, yo,
Speaker 1: let me handle this. You're fucking it up, And he's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't give a fuck what you
Speaker 1: have to say.
Speaker 2: You're suspended.
Speaker 1: So when he tells me Kaminga and Moody are the
Speaker 1: future and Wiseman's a is gonna be the next DeAndre Ayton,
Speaker 1: and they're in a good place and they're going to
Speaker 1: contend now with Andrew Wiggins.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I have to say to that man?
Speaker 2: That's bullshit.
Speaker 4: That's a lie.
Speaker 2: That's just a lie.
Speaker 1: That's a lie, and that's a that's at worst, at best,
Speaker 1: he just has no clue what's going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, for sure. I mean I I I've never
Speaker 4: been a Bob Myers fan. I thought that light years
Speaker 4: Ahead comment was always just the lame as shit. Like you,
Speaker 4: I don't want to say lucked into a lot of it,
Speaker 4: but like you just did luck into it. He found
Speaker 4: a way to have a lot of great players like
Speaker 4: on your team, and then you were able to attract Yeah,
Speaker 4: probably the best player in the entire world because of
Speaker 4: those great players on your team.
Speaker 1: Like they Yeah, No, like Joe lakeb wasn't around, Bob
Speaker 1: Myer wasn't around when Steph Curray got drafted. No, I
Speaker 1: think Jerry West was responsible for the Klay Thompson draft
Speaker 1: pick as well as well as the Draymond Green draft pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they lucked into three guys who turned into all stars.
Speaker 1: Then Jerry West is instrumental in recruiting Kevin Durant, Like,
Speaker 1: what have you guys done? Like, I don't what you
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, I don't know, like I really
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, And at the same time, like you
Speaker 1: got Kevin Durant and then when it was just you
Speaker 1: after Jerry West left. Jerry West left in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: This thing happened in twenty eighteen. Bob Myers has left
Speaker 1: to his own devices, and what does he do.
Speaker 4: He fucks it out. That's clearly gone to shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not getting better. So I don't know that.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is why Bob Myers is like running to
Speaker 1: Draymond Green every frick fucking draft pick that he has,
Speaker 1: like on FaceTime while Draymond Green's in Tokyo, because I
Speaker 1: think probably Draymond Green should be GM of the Warriors.
Speaker 1: That'd be something that would be something a player GM.
Speaker 1: I mean, I trust it more than I trust Bob Myers.
Speaker 1: You got to watch that interview. Though it's sick, it's
Speaker 1: very illuminating. So to me, yeah, I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of the end all be all. We now know what happened.
Speaker 2: We all know that. Can you imagine Kevin Durant on
Speaker 2: the Warriors still.
Speaker 4: Though in what like terms like what it would look
Speaker 4: like or just that league would be like yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Just everything would be different.
Speaker 1: Not only would that team obviously be different, but like
Speaker 1: everybody's win now moves. Like I think that the death
Speaker 1: of the Warriors dynasty created this sense of urgency of
Speaker 1: win now.
Speaker 4: Yes, so much, so much. I mean the ripple effect
Speaker 4: of like the true blue bloods of the NBA is
Speaker 4: unlike any other sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, okay, if it's Kevin Durant and
Speaker 1: Draymond Green and Klay Thompson and Steph Curry and whoever else,
Speaker 1: it's like, well and Andre woodalla, because that trade would
Speaker 1: have never happen.
Speaker 2: Then, like everybody's just waiting for that dynasty to end.
Speaker 1: They're just like literally actually drafting for the future, making
Speaker 1: smart moves and not just trying to figure out a
Speaker 1: way to get the best pieces right the second because
Speaker 1: they know there's no way that they're beating that team,
Speaker 1: which is why everybody in the East should be scared
Speaker 1: of KD, Kyrie and James Harden.
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