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Speaker 1: There is not a hardcore lead today, right. You got

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Speaker 1: the collegewall playoff rankings. They came out. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: that with RJ Young later on this hour. There's continuing

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Speaker 1: fallout from the firing of Nico Harrison, gentle manager of

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks. Uh. There's a lot of NFL stories,

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Speaker 1: but none that rise to the level I think of

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Speaker 1: this one. And it's a great discussion to have and

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Speaker 1: I have not I haven't told you guys about a

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Speaker 1: little part of the Hall of Fame discussion around Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson that I found to be fascinating. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: share with you in a second. But the story of

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Speaker 1: the day. According to ESPN, the Giants are going to

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Speaker 1: start Jamis Winston at quarterback against the Packers on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: That's interim head coach Mike Kafka announced today. He'll do

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Speaker 1: a great job. I have a lot of confidence in

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Speaker 1: Jamison and Jamis, and Kafka said, adding it was his

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Speaker 1: sole decision to turn to Winston as the starter. Now, Kafka,

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Speaker 1: this is his debut as an interim head coach. He

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Speaker 1: is the offensive coordinator. And it tells you a couple

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Speaker 1: of things. Tells you a couple of things. One, and

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Speaker 1: I can tell you this from firsthand knowledge. Right when

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Speaker 1: this is like quarterbacks, like point guard, right, who has

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Speaker 1: is going to run the offense the way you want

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Speaker 1: it run. If you're gonna go down as an intermad

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Speaker 1: you're gonna do it your way, right, at least you're

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Speaker 1: him well enough. Maybe they're not boys, maybe Jamis and

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Speaker 1: all his personality. I don't know, but to me what

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Speaker 1: it signifies, and I thought it signified it last year,

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Speaker 1: But now it becomes I think undoubtedly the case or

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Speaker 1: Indoubtedly or undoubtedly the case. It may be both, it

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Speaker 1: may be neither. I'm not sure we're not gonna see

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Speaker 1: because the Giants apparently did not. Now. The Giants, I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: had every intention of handing it off to Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and his ego, and that ego, in all honesty,

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Speaker 1: I don't know any MVP who come off to binch.

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Speaker 1: He just goes off into the sunset, hangs out with

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Speaker 1: If I have to do ABC, A is the answer.

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Speaker 1: Like Jamis could get hurt, right and dart shot back.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if his eagle lets him do that.

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Speaker 1: I just he hasn't shown himself to be that guy.

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Speaker 1: When he left Denver, do you think he was Hall.

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Speaker 1: Do you think other people thought he was?

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Speaker 1: Like you know, the real deal. You've watched it. You're like,

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Speaker 1: Whereas previously he wasn't a guy who would throw for

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Speaker 1: the high risk, high reward. That's not him. He was

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Speaker 3: It was funny in watching the career because if we

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Speaker 3: But that was kind of like, Okay, this team is

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Speaker 1: They they never got over it correct.

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Speaker 3: Correct, never got past it. Then at that point when

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Speaker 3: legion of boom kind of moves out. This is twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: a bad game against the Bills, and everything changed. But

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame at this end of his time

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Speaker 3: in Seattle, Yeah, he was. The next year he suffers

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Speaker 3: that finger injury on a think a Thursday night game

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Speaker 3: and they're like, all right, this is you know, what's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It is crazy how quickly those things change. Its

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio also should

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Speaker 1: be pointed out that Mike Kafka, like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: this to be a fact, but generally what happens. We

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Speaker 1: did wonder why Jamis wasn't selected as the starter. Instead

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Speaker 1: it was Russell Wilson. Why Jamis didn't get opportunities when

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Speaker 1: Dark got hurt and staid it was Russell Wilson. And

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Speaker 1: I do think that today's announcement that Jamis is the

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Speaker 1: dynamic you had within that those offices, Right, Jamis was

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Speaker 1: Kafka's guy. Russell Wilson was probably Dables guy or Dabole

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Speaker 1: Russell wis in all honesty.

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Speaker 6: All right, we'd have to go back to two years ago.

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Speaker 6: They were going to fire him after the season and

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's it's been long over. I mean, look, they

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Speaker 1: Hasn't been though. I thought it was over last year

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Speaker 1: that he starts for the Giants.

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Speaker 6: But here here's what happened, jamis, they made a decision

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Speaker 6: that Russell would be the stop gap for about four

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Speaker 6: to six weeks. It ended even before they thought it would.

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Speaker 6: Russell that great game against the Cowboys and then it

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Speaker 6: just imploded like it did last year with the Steelers

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Speaker 6: well down the stretch and they moved on and they've

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Speaker 6: already seen enough for Russell Wilson. Jameis Winston. Look, the

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Speaker 6: thing is, he's younger, he's got a strong arm. He's

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Speaker 6: sometimes at bizarre quarterback because he's got enormous talent. But

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Speaker 6: make somebody bad mistakes, throw on the football, he will

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Speaker 6: throw it like he's The thing about Jamis that you

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Speaker 6: like is he's decisive. But Russell Wilson will run around

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Speaker 6: trying to make a play. That's not what coaches really like.

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Speaker 6: The last time Russell Wilson, by the way, played well

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Speaker 1: It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports treader. That's

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Speaker 1: the voice of Adam Kaplan. Joe Burrow is back practicing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is he gonna play.

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Speaker 6: No, he's not supposed to. He's come back severe turf too.

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Speaker 6: It's gonna They think it's gonna take a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 6: This is just the week to get him back into practice.

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Speaker 6: He's back. I mean he's went back well before they

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Speaker 6: first thought. I mean, I give him credit and the

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Speaker 6: rehab staff, but I give Joe Flacco credit. I mean,

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Speaker 6: the guy could still play. It's their defense though, for

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Speaker 6: the second straight year, is not competitive. It's for all

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Speaker 6: the draft picks they spent, they still cannot play competitive football.

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Speaker 6: It's really embarrassing that if the Steelers can't win this game.

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Speaker 6: I mean, this would be the Aldom embarrassment. If you

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Speaker 1: on the bizarre play calling from the Eagles head coach

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Speaker 1: in frank of the Packers head coach. But really, the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: what were they doing down the stretch when it felt

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to add Capall later on this hour. It

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, let's get to the midway.

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Speaker 1: He's not getting.

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Speaker 5: It's time for Stuck in the the Midway.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there, Dan Buyer, Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 2: Jason, thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a couple of options today. As I sent out the

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Speaker 2: group text. Earlier today, Aaron Glenn picks a fight with

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Speaker 2: the New York media again, and on the same day

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Speaker 2: that Micah Parsons sent a quote tweet at Colin how

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Speaker 2: heard with a couple f bombs. Tell me he doesn't

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Speaker 2: know what he's talking about. And I'm thinking, when the

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Speaker 2: athletes and coaches pick fights with the media, when does

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Speaker 2: it ever end? Well, examples of fights and maybe examples

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Speaker 2: of people being punished after the fact for their relationships

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Speaker 2: with the media. But then Iowa Sam brought a very

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Speaker 2: interesting topic to the forefront and it's Rich Rod on

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Speaker 2: a radio show saying this about his players.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to be the uniform police, like if

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Speaker 7: their pants aren't pulled down enough. I don't want these

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Speaker 7: guys like some of you ever see this bothers me.

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Speaker 7: They there's not a towel they wear. They were like

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Speaker 7: a tail. It's not like you're keeping your hands dry

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Speaker 7: with the something that's like three inches and is long

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Speaker 7: and like it looks like a tail. I'm like, when

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Speaker 7: the hell we start putting tails on our guy. It's

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Speaker 7: the same thing, like you know, watching games and teams

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Speaker 7: that they got mouthpieces, but they got glow. The dark mouthpieces.

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Speaker 3: But they ain't using them.

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Speaker 5: It's just decoration design one not here.

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Speaker 7: No, we don't do that. You got a mouthpiece you

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Speaker 7: put in your mouth. Got that's it. You don't put

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Speaker 7: no glow in the dark. It's the same way with shoes.

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Speaker 7: You ever watch shoes out. Basketball is different, but football,

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Speaker 7: you wear the shoes that we give you. You don't

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Speaker 7: go over to you know, get your own fancy shoes

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Speaker 7: and put some sparkles on it or whatever the hell

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Speaker 7: it is. And you know, pink shoes and whatever. A

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Speaker 7: shoe that we give Danny Neve that gives down, and

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Speaker 7: that's the shoe you wear. It's called a uniform. So

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Speaker 7: we all are the same. You know, it's all the same.

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Speaker 7: You don't see the military when they go out to

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Speaker 7: do battle, one wearing green, one wearing white. You know,

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Speaker 7: they're all uniformed. Right, that's what we got to be.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 7: I talked to the guy who work in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: He said, coach, it's crazy, we got guys. They'll find them.

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Speaker 7: They'll find them thousands of dollars. They'll find the coaches,

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Speaker 7: they'll find the equipment managers, they'll find the owners of

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Speaker 7: the team. Because they want everybody to look uniform as well.

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Speaker 7: So the NFL, you don't mess around with that. We

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Speaker 7: let these kids wear all kinds of like glow in

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Speaker 7: the dark mouthpieces and some kind of crap like that,

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Speaker 7: and it drives me crazy.

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Speaker 3: You Rich, I'm with it. I didn't know what the

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Speaker 3: fans like it.

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Speaker 7: I thought maybe the fans like I can't wait till

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Speaker 7: Johnny comes out there with a sparkling.

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Speaker 3: Blue grown a darkmouth piece.

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Speaker 7: It makes me my favorite player, now, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 7: It's like they were these like the legans. Right, if

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Speaker 7: you had a leg injury and you had a niche

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Speaker 7: brain or something, and the trainer gives you a knee sleeve

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Speaker 7: to keep that knee a little mis understandable. But if

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Speaker 7: you're just wearing like one long legan on one leg

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Speaker 7: and nothing on the other, you're just trying to be

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Speaker 7: Angel Reese. That's what I called. Are you Angel Reese?

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Speaker 7: You're trying to make a fashion statement. She could get

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Speaker 7: bye with it. Yeah, she's in w NBA. You're a

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Speaker 7: football player, are no?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 7: No, Angel Reese is here.

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Speaker 2: Since we're the only national radio show that as a

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Speaker 2: current head coach as the host, and we've all played sports.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a very relatable topic. Rich Rod

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Speaker 2: mirrors a lot of thoughts of people of a certain generation,

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Speaker 2: So I think maybe this is a better midway topic today.

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Speaker 3: What do you guys think?

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Speaker 1: I agree with yours.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I like Sammy's topic, Jason, I mean, Dan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm game of it. I think there's a lot there.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think that this is my question for you guys

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Speaker 2: before we get into the kind of just the generality

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Speaker 2: of this, I want to go micro first before we

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Speaker 2: go macro. Why why do players put fluorescent mouthpieces in

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Speaker 2: their top hole of their helmet? What function does that serve?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Uh yeah, because you would think it

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Speaker 3: should be in their mouth. But they also some don't

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Speaker 3: want to have the strap on the face mask, so

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Speaker 3: when they cut the strap off, they need to put

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Speaker 3: the mouthguard somewhere where other guys would just have it

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Speaker 3: in their mouth or let it hang down on the strap.

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Speaker 3: If they don't want to keep it in their mouth,

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Speaker 3: they put it in the top hole.

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Speaker 2: I think what you're getting at, Dan is the mac

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Speaker 2: which is the promotion of individualism. A whole generation of

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Speaker 2: kids that have been told that be yourself on the field,

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Speaker 2: be yourself encouraged to be yourself, be an individual, and

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Speaker 2: that just doesn't quite jive with the overall nature of

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Speaker 2: team sports. Being an individual clashing with the selflessness of

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Speaker 2: being on a team. I think that's the core of

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Speaker 2: what rich Rod is getting into. No, I think yes

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Speaker 2: he is. I don't think the mouthguard in your helmet

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Speaker 2: is I think some guys don't mind it hanging from

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Speaker 2: their face mask, and others don't, so they'll put it

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Speaker 2: on the top of their helmet. The issue that I

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Speaker 2: have is that I think it's a huge tell if

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Speaker 2: you are or aren't putting your mouthguard in on certain plays,

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Speaker 2: like if you're a wide receiver, you could track how

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Speaker 2: many times you're putting your mouth guard in if it's

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Speaker 2: a pass play.

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Speaker 3: Right. Oh, so you're.

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Speaker 2: Talking about the actual people that are using their mouthguard.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the kids that aren't not using their

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Speaker 2: mouth guard at all, that they put it at the

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Speaker 2: very top of their helmet, in the in the hole

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Speaker 2: at the top of the helmet. Yeah, just dangling for

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Speaker 2: forty minutes without actually using them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I this this rant spoke to me because there is

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Speaker 8: so much apparel and equipment usage in all sports that

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Speaker 8: has just become impractical.

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Speaker 3: Like it is.

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Speaker 8: It's just like the Asia Wilson Asia Wilson or Angel

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Speaker 8: Ree's leg sleeve. Like I get that there are, like

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Speaker 8: rich Rod said, there's certain compression sleeves to help with,

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Speaker 8: you know, pain mitigation, but there's just other times where

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Speaker 8: it's just done to just look different, stand out, And

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Speaker 8: I don't know, I guess I just aligned more like

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Speaker 8: the old school coach mentality. I just love this, and

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Speaker 8: I love an old grumpy guy like rich Rod just

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Speaker 8: going on a rant like this.

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Speaker 3: It just it sings. It sings to me. It sings

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Speaker 3: to me, So I just want to I want to

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Speaker 3: just point something out here. I'm watching a game on

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Speaker 3: NFL Network, a replay right now, the Bears Giants game

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Speaker 3: that they had on Sunday, and there is a player

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Speaker 3: on the Bears that is wearing a neon yellow mouthguard.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so as I look, it's rookie Luther Burden, the

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Speaker 3: third yep. And on this play where his mouthguard is

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Speaker 3: hanging down neon yellow, they have a running play to

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift. So I the reason I'm pointing that out

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Speaker 3: is I get some guys don't want something hanging onto

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Speaker 3: their face mask. So that's why when Jason talks about

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Speaker 3: the mouthguard being in the top of their helmet, I

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Speaker 3: don't think people are putting their mouthguard on the top

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Speaker 3: of their helmet to say, look at me, I've got antlers.

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Speaker 3: I'm a mouth guard guy. It's in the top. I

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Speaker 3: think it's actually detrimental to your team on what the

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Speaker 3: play is actually going to how it's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: If we want to talk about Luther Burden wearing a

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Speaker 3: brighten knee on yellow mouth guard that I can see

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Speaker 3: that stands out and if I see that it's hanging down,

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Speaker 3: I think it's an absolute tell on what the team

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Speaker 3: may actually do in that situation.

648
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand Dan what you're getting at, and it

649
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Speaker 1: tells I'll just take the coach's perspective. And I was

650
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: a player, right. So it starts with the sneakers in basketball, right,

651
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: And no one wants to wear the team sneakers because

652
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Speaker 1: the team sneakers are generally they're not made for big guys,

653
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: they're not made for guards, they're just made for everybody, right,

654
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: So they send you some sneakers that are generally sturdy

655
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: and solid, usually mid tops because they're not high, they're

656
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: not low, and just kind of in between. And so

657
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Speaker 1: the first thing is like you look on basketball teams like, well,

658
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: they all have the same sneaker on. Yeah, that feels

659
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: a little high school y, little cliche. I liked how

660
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: my coach would do it at Oklahomo State. Oh, any

661
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: Sutton would do it. You know, if you're a starter,

662
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: you got more leeway. You got to order different shoes.

663
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: Start ours, you know, not me, but it's ours. Got

664
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: to get whatever kind of whatever nikes they wanted, and

665
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: he would take care of them and everybody else. You

666
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: gotta wear his team shoe. Where I draw the line is, uh,

667
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: you know some of it you just say, you just

668
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: tell my rules are you can't wear that. But where

669
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: I draw the line is they're going on a bus

670
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: right now to go to Saint Thomas, and I become

671
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: that guy where hey, we're we're wearing we have really

672
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: comfortable all black sweats. That's what we're wearing on the bus,

673
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: and we're wearing you gotta wear you know you They

674
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: have a couple of bears of Adidas, either running shoes

675
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: or walk around shoes gotta be sneakers, because if not,

676
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: they end up with crocs, They end up with those

677
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: like Berking stock slides. They like those. Those are hideous

678
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't look like a well run organization

679
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: in during the game, where whatever sneakers they want gotta be.

680
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 8: Adidas and Doug kind of to Dan's point. But on

681
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Speaker 8: the flip side, like sometimes in football and basketball, teams

682
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 8: will use they'll have a guy wear cer colors. They

683
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 8: can see him better, right, like they can track him

684
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 8: better on the court or on the on the on

685
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 8: the ground.

686
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: No, that's not a thing in basketball. No, well, oh

687
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: your parents can track you better, your friends can track

688
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: you better.

689
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 8: But no, there's I saw there was something in football

690
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 8: or basketball where maybe a guy wears a certain thing

691
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 8: just to kind of stand out at all.

692
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Speaker 2: Maybe follow That is absolutely the case, sure, okay, maybe more,

693
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: maybe more in football, and I know that the individuals.

694
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: Wait what do you mean, it's absolutely the case.

695
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: I think that you wear outrageous shoes in football so

696
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: that people can identify you.

697
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, you're just watching a game in a sports bar.

698
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Speaker 2: And oh, Davante because he always wears the uh, you know, yellow.

699
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Speaker 1: Shoes I think I do think a lot of almost

700
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Speaker 1: everybody does that.

701
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Speaker 8: Well, do you think that the team's actually utilize that?

702
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 8: To be your time, guys here he was.

703
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Talking about the teams utilizing it, Jason.

704
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Speaker 8: Not like if you're wearing bright green Neon shoes and

705
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 8: you're a wide receiver.

706
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Speaker 3: I don't know like it. Maybe it helps you find

707
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: you can find the guy a little least year. I

708
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: don't know.

709
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Speaker 8: I thought that that was something that they utilized, a

710
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 8: little subtle, little technique.

711
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: No volleyball has the girl with the or they have

712
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: the different jersey on.

713
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Speaker 3: What's that position called the setter? Is that for for volleyball?

714
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: Is that what you're talking about? And forget her?

715
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Speaker 1: I'll look it up. Go ahead.

716
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just going to say, I think, like

717
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Speaker 3: a lot of our listeners, my athletic career ended in

718
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Speaker 3: high school. But I do remember playing basketball in high

719
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: school and looking for shoes that matched our uniforms. Right, yeah, Hey,

720
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 3: well I didn't. I didn't have to. I just could

721
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Speaker 3: drive down to East Bay and get my shoes. Fortunate enough,

722
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: twenty minutes away. But you'll be hey, you'll be taking

723
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Speaker 3: the bus through wasa where East BA began point being,

724
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: the point was to match my uniform. Now you look

725
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 3: in the NBA and to Jason, to your guys point

726
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: about the NFL, you know, Yannis has got his own shoe.

727
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 3: So with the dark green Bucks uniforms, there's Yanis wearing

728
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: bright orange shoes, you know, or neon shoes, and that

729
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: is so different from what I remember guys wearing different shoes.

730
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: But Jordan, like the original Jordan's were red, black and white,

731
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Speaker 3: right like the Bulls. It worked and matched with the team,

732
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: and now it's completely different. He started it and then more,

733
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: but back then it was it matched with their.

734
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Speaker 8: But at least he did something to stand out even

735
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Speaker 8: more that did. Actually the league didn't like right like

736
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Speaker 8: they wanted it to be more uniform. They were like,

737
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Speaker 8: you can't have these colors on these shoes.

738
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Speaker 3: No, that's not what d I was talking about. Well,

739
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying.

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Speaker 8: I'm just saying though that Michael Jordan started wearing shoes

741
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Speaker 8: that were differentiating.

742
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Speaker 3: But they were like, what do you mean, No, no, no,

743
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: what let's move on for.

744
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Speaker 1: Red and red and black. You're you're complating a different story.

745
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: That isn't actually what he's talking about.

746
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Speaker 8: No, I'm saying the colors match the team's uniform, but

747
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Speaker 8: he decided to go in a different direction with shoes

748
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Speaker 8: style anyway.

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Speaker 3: You know who, I love Cooper Flag. You want don't

750
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Speaker 3: know why he's bringing the regular shoes. No, he's bringing

751
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Speaker 3: the normal white T shirt underneath the jersey. Back.

752
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Speaker 1: We have one like that too. I tried that once

753
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Speaker 1: or twice.

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Speaker 3: That's all I wanted to do in high school. I

755
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: tried to wear more clothes. Our shorts were short, our

756
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: tank tops were too tight, they didn't fit. Yes, nowadays

757
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 3: these basketball teams look like track teams with some of

758
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: their outfits and shorts. I and Cooper Flag's like, you

759
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: know what, I'm just gonna wear a full blown, crappy

760
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Speaker 3: old white tea underneath my jersey. And that's all I

761
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: wanted to do. In high school. We weren't allowed, was

762
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Speaker 3: not a part of the team. Everybody had to look

763
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Speaker 3: the same except the shoes. But you couldn't wear a

764
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Speaker 3: white You couldn't wear remember that, You couldn't wear the compression.

765
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Speaker 1: Shorts correct the tight shirts underneath.

766
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: No, you couldn't do that.

767
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's obviously a lot that's changed. Uh. Lebron

768
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: used to cover up the tattoos. Because in high school

769
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Speaker 1: you couldn't wear couldn't have tattoos in Ohio. That's why

770
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Speaker 1: you had the stickers covering the tattoos. Or some people

771
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: were shorts covering the tattoos. A lot of things have changed,

772
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: rules have become more lenient. I'll just tell you what

773
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I do. Guys. Is I again you no, no, no jewelry. Okay,

774
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: you can wear any undershirt long as they let you wear.

775
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: It's got to match your the main color of the jersey.

776
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get in the dude's hair. I

777
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: just tell them, hey, when we play these games are

778
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: on TVs. Probably clean up your neck, you know, only okay,

779
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: slop we when we when we go to the arena,

780
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: come back from the arena, go to the gym. Back

781
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: from the gym, we're wearing all the same GB gear

782
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: and we're wearing a DTA sneakers, no crocs, no sandals,

783
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Speaker 1: no nothing else. And other than that, like just you know,

784
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: don't over control them. So there's a magic pix there.

785
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: But again, I played on every different team with every

786
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: different style. Some or you have to wear the uniform shoes.

787
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Some you don't care but you do you look you

788
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: can look like a prison team when everybody's got something

789
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: different on.

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Speaker 2: The crazy thing is that like the rich rod opinion

791
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: will be held against them. Okay, so next year one

792
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: of this player transfers to wherever and he'll be like, man,

793
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: that guy wouldn't even let us do blame so and so,

794
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: like it's going to be used as a pejorative like

795
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: it's it's the entire paradigm is shifted to where like

796
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 2: individualism needs to be promoted and you need to cater

797
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: to the kids or it's going to be used against you.

798
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: Remember when uh, Freddie Freeman left the Braves obviously, and

799
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: then Ronald Acunya came out with those comments like dude,

800
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: you know we can never like screw off and then

801
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: walk a room or play our music because of Freddie Freeman,

802
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: and it was used as like a like half the

803
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: league was like, man, that sucks. What an old uh,

804
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: what an old curmudgeon Freeman must be? And I was thinking,

805
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: you mean he was holding you to a certain standard

806
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: of professionalism. That's a negative thing. Again, the paradigm has shift,

807
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: has shifted it completely.

808
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 8: And I just add one more thing, Coach Prime, you

809
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 8: know he has got the bravado. He wants his guys

810
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 8: to play with bravada. But then he also has rules

811
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 8: for like he can't wear slides the class, you know,

812
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 8: have the hood down in class.

813
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 3: So I like that that balance he has.

814
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: He's like, Yeah, here's the other problem. Those guys nobody

815
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: goes to class at high major schools.

816
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: Well if they do, get is that?

817
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: I listen, I agree with that, But I'm just telling

818
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: you at Colorado, my guess is of his eighty five

819
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: scholarship players whatever, like eighty of them never step foot

820
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: on campus for a class. That is for show Sam.

821
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: Okay for sure.

822
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying what he was saying over the summer. Yeah,

823
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: I got rules. He's got a certain rules I do.

824
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: I do, and I believe in those as well. But

825
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: I also believe you'd be over the top. The other

826
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: part to it, though, is Jay stew Is, you'd be

827
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: amazed at how some players they appreciate discipline. Like, again,

828
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: they don't want it darkonian, they don't want it over

829
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: the top. But like my argument to him is all,

830
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: like we have brand new, really cool, comfortable with d

831
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: this stuff. You're gonna wear a Parkert Why not wear

832
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: our parkut you're gonna wear sweats. Wear our sweats. By

833
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: the way, it's free. You guys are all cheap. Take

834
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: the free stuff. Wear it. It's not that hard. And

835
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: that is the midway. The midway. It SNU Gotlieb Show

836
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports. So so wait, Sam, what were you

837
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: trying to say about Michael Jordan wearing different kind of shoes?

838
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 8: Okay, just to clarify, because you guys all left me

839
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 8: dangling out there. Michael Jordan was the guy in the

840
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 8: eighties who started wearing colors on his shoes period.

841
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 6: And then there are.

842
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: Colors on their shoes, but the Nike made shoes that

843
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: he thought were ugly, right, So he I'm just saying

844
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: that were red.

845
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 8: And yeah, he was the pioneer's start doing something different.

846
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 8: I'm not talking about he wore like a random color

847
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 8: out on the court. He did wear his team's colors,

848
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 8: but he wore shoes that actually had like colors on him.

849
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 3: Compare well, Magic and Larry had their Converse.

850
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: Converse weapons that were team colors.

851
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: Wasn't most of the NBA using Converse at the time,

852
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 3: And then.

853
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: That wasn't what differentiated it was that.

854
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: There was Yeah, I was just trying to say that black.

855
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: There was black on the on the soul, even though

856
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: it didn't come off on the court. At the time,

857
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: it was illegal to have a black soul of a sneaker, right.

858
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: That's what I was trying to say, is that Mike Magic.

859
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: And the most Celtics wearing those black and white converse weapons,

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Speaker 1: Magic was wearing the yellow and Laker blue weapons. Like again,

861
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: I am a as much as Dan as a sneaker

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Speaker 1: head as a uniform uniform head, I am a sneakerhead.