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Speaker 1: I'm always nervous when an album comes out, and for

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Speaker 1: this one, I'm just not. I don't have an expectation

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Speaker 3: Welcome to episode five twenty five with Trisha Yearwood. She

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Speaker 3: has an album coming out, not this Friday, but next Friday.

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Speaker 3: If you're hearing this unreleased date called The Mirror. That

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Speaker 3: album comes out July eighteenth. It was nice to have

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Speaker 3: doctor to doctor talk.

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Speaker 4: Do you know that two doctors?

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Speaker 3: Yep, both honorary though yeah, notither one of us could

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Speaker 3: write prescriptions. She was awarded an honorary doctorate from Nashville's

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Speaker 3: Belmont University, where she graduated in nineteen eighty six with

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Speaker 4: We love Tricia.

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Speaker 3: She has some dates coming up in Nashville with the

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Speaker 3: Symphony on December second and third, Newark, New Jersey December fifth,

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Speaker 3: December nineteenth. She is a massive superstar. She's always super

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Speaker 3: cool and here she is Tricia yearwould.

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Speaker 4: Tricia go to see you again?

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Speaker 3: The last time we did this, I think you said

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so it was I was here. It was

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Speaker 3: What's interesting is that my wife said to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: Well I used to live in Brentwood and my house

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Speaker 3: So everyone was saying, Ah, you're wrong, everybody, I'm nobody's friend.

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Speaker 3: Our stories are similar in that where I came from,

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Speaker 2: My mom?

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Speaker 4: She could cook.

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Speaker 2: She was amazing.

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Speaker 4: Is that where you learned the fundamentals?

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad was a really good cook too, so

443
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Speaker 1: they and they were just cooked.

444
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Speaker 2: They were basic cooks.

445
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Speaker 1: So when we started and we did the first book

446
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Speaker 1: I had, it was really just a way to get

447
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Speaker 1: everything in one place.

448
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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of things were not and down.

449
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Speaker 1: So my mom had to write everything down, and she

450
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Speaker 1: and myself and my sister did the book, and then

451
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Speaker 1: when it was successful, we started having to create recipes

452
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Speaker 1: and come up with things, and a lot of things

453
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Speaker 1: that we realize we make all the time that weren't

454
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Speaker 1: in a book, and it's basic stuff like if you

455
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Speaker 1: don't know how to cook green beans down, you don't

456
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Speaker 1: know how to do it. It's like it's not hard,

457
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Speaker 1: but if you don't know, you don't know. So our

458
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Speaker 1: pro and I learned that most people who cook cook

459
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Speaker 1: like that. They don't they're not cheffs, so they don't

460
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Speaker 1: use exotic spices. They use salt and pepper, and they

461
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Speaker 1: might use a little garlic powder. They're getting crazy, so

462
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Speaker 1: we keep it pretty simple.

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Speaker 4: You just started a TikTok account.

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Speaker 3: I did, what's just cause I've seen you popped up

465
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Speaker 3: on for you page and I just thought they fed

466
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Speaker 3: you to me after all these years.

467
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Speaker 4: But then I looked and there weren't a ton of

468
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Speaker 4: videos up. How long have you been doing TikTok?

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Speaker 2: A couple of weeks something like that? Yeah, yeah, I

470
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Speaker 2: mean I had.

471
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Speaker 1: I guess you have to have an account to be

472
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Speaker 1: able to look at TikTok so I had.

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Speaker 2: I had it on my I have it on my phone.

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Speaker 1: I've had it on my phone for like a year,

475
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Speaker 1: and I resisted for a long time. And what I

476
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Speaker 1: learned about TikTok in that time was that I I

477
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Speaker 1: would give up everything in my life and just be

478
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Speaker 1: sitting on watching TikTok. I would give up my I

479
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,640
Speaker 1: couldn't be here today because I'm watching TikTok. So I

480
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Speaker 1: had to give myself a parameter. So every day and

481
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Speaker 1: Mandy's who here knows this because I'll send her TikTok.

482
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Speaker 1: She knows I'm running the dogs because when I run

483
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Speaker 1: my dogs, if i'm hiking them, I'm not on my phone.

484
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Speaker 1: But if I'm driving in a little ATV and they're running,

485
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Speaker 1: I'll get on TikTok.

486
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Speaker 2: So that's my thirty minutes. And I'm obsessed.

487
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Speaker 4: Oh that's all. So you only do thirty minutes. See,

488
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Speaker 4: I have to like find thirty minutes where I'm not

489
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Speaker 4: doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.

491
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Speaker 1: And I live with a guy who's not on social media,

492
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Speaker 1: like he's on it. His as a personality but he

493
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Speaker 1: doesn't do he doesn't care, he doesn't check his.

494
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Speaker 4: His personal interest isn't to go to social media.

495
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Speaker 2: In any way, so I can't.

496
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Speaker 1: If he was scrolling, it'd be easier for me to

497
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Speaker 1: be scrolling, but he does not, so I don't when

498
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Speaker 1: we're together, which is most.

499
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Speaker 2: Of the time. So so my thirty minutes with the

500
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Speaker 2: dogs this when I when I'll scroll.

501
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Speaker 4: What have you found people like? From you?

502
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Speaker 2: I think everybody?

503
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Speaker 1: I mean, I have dog, My dogs are my you know,

504
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 1: they're my recreational time. And I find when I post,

505
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Speaker 1: you know, a video of them or that you know,

506
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're the same way. People just want to

507
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 1: know what you're doing when you're not doing this, and

508
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: so a lot of it's just hiking or what am

509
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 1: I cooking? Or I just made a video I haven't

510
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Speaker 1: posted it yet of me because I had my hair

511
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Speaker 1: makeup done this morning for this podcast and this one

512
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Speaker 1: and the one I did before, and I don't.

513
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Speaker 2: Do this myself.

514
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Speaker 1: I don't have I don't I don't really have the

515
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Speaker 1: time or patients for hair extensions and makeup. So I

516
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Speaker 1: did a take off the day and people are always

517
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Speaker 1: doing the tiktoks where they're putting on their makeup and

518
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I took all my hair out. It took

519
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Speaker 1: a while, and I took my makeup off, and I

520
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: want to time labsit and post it because I feel

521
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Speaker 1: like that's I mean, that's something people probably interested in

522
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Speaker 1: to be like, I don't.

523
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Speaker 2: This is not what I don't. I'm not gonna wear

524
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Speaker 2: makeup to go to the grocery store.

525
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Speaker 4: That's funny.

526
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

527
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Speaker 4: And what do you put what? That's all? That's also all.

528
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I remember the first time that I posted

529
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Speaker 1: myself and no makeup. We we did a we did

530
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Speaker 1: when the when the Cooking Show was live every Saturday,

531
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Speaker 1: we did we did a lot not live with the

532
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Speaker 1: show came on Saturdays. We did a live coffee talk

533
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Speaker 1: every morning before every Saturday morning before the show. And

534
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Speaker 1: I said, I'll do it, but I don't wanna. I

535
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: don't want to be I don't want to have to

536
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Speaker 1: be in hair, makeup. I don't I want to be

537
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Speaker 1: in my pajamas. If I want, I want to be

538
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 1: drinking coffee. So that kind of started it, and so

539
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Speaker 1: now and then covid made it okay to I saw

540
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Speaker 1: myself in no makeup every single day, and I just

541
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Speaker 1: don't care. So I so I don't care. I don't

542
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: really care anymore. It's like, sometimes I'm gonna make up,

543
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Speaker 1: sometimes I'm not. It's fine.

544
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Speaker 4: How do you do with rejection?

545
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm not well, you.

546
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Speaker 1: Know, I mean we you know, we're in this day

547
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Speaker 1: and age where if you say good morning, I'm having

548
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Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, you'll get hate for I don't

549
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: drink coffee.

550
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Speaker 2: I only drink tea.

551
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Speaker 4: I hate you.

552
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Speaker 1: I'll never buy your records again. I'm like, well, you're

553
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 1: not buying my records anyway, So it's fine. So I

554
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Speaker 1: really don't look at the way I deal with rejections.

555
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Speaker 1: I just don't look at the I don't look at

556
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Speaker 1: any of the comments. I just can't. I just don't

557
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 1: have time anymore.

558
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Speaker 4: I don't.

559
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Speaker 2: I don't.

560
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Speaker 1: I don't need that negativity. And you know, rejection in business,

561
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I feel like I haven't

562
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Speaker 1: had a ton of that. But uh, I'm I'm I'm

563
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Speaker 1: at an age where I take everything on is like

564
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm where I never believed it before.

565
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Speaker 2: Like everything happens when it's supposed to.

566
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Speaker 1: So I just and with this album, I'm always nervous

567
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: when an album comes out, and for this one, I'm

568
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Speaker 1: just not because I I don't have an expectation other

569
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Speaker 1: than I love what I'm doing and I feel such

570
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Speaker 1: piece about this project that it's like a piece of art.

571
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Speaker 1: You may love it, it might not be your thing, and

572
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Speaker 1: I'm good with that. I'm good with however that, however

573
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Speaker 1: it falls out.

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Speaker 6: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our

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Speaker 6: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: You say, expectation, what's the best case scenario with the

577
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 3: new project? What is the absolute best thing that can

578
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 3: happen with this?

579
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Speaker 2: It could win a Grammy. You know, I want more.

580
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Speaker 1: I want people to know about it because it's because

581
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: it's so personal. I just want as many people to

582
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: hear it as possible. And you know, the avenues are

583
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: so different now than they were when I started. You know,

584
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to wrap my head around focus

585
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: tracks versus singles at radio and how does that really

586
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Speaker 1: help you? And everything is so social media these days,

587
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: so how do you so for me, it's the best

588
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: thing that can happen is that it gets the word out.

589
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Speaker 2: And you know, I've won awards and not won awards.

590
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Speaker 1: I've been nominated and loss of it, so it's not

591
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: really all about that. But to me, when I said that,

592
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Speaker 1: like that would mean that people people heard it and

593
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Speaker 1: recognized it and appreciated it.

594
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Speaker 3: So the record, when you say it's very personal, the

595
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Speaker 3: first thing I'm drawn to and I look at it

596
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Speaker 3: is the people that you get to sing with you

597
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Speaker 3: on it, because what you're singing about is so personal,

598
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 3: so to pick people to come into it with you

599
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: is also very personal when your project is very personal.

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Speaker 3: I love Haley Witters like as a person, as an artist,

601
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Speaker 3: her story, then her story now like I just like

602
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Speaker 3: who Haley is, why Haley Well.

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Speaker 1: I started writing with Haley first. Chad Carlson, who's my

604
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Speaker 1: co producer and engineer on this record, is a writer

605
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Speaker 1: also and got he and I wrote some things together

606
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Speaker 1: on this record, and he said, would you want to

607
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Speaker 1: write with Hailey? He's buddies with her, and I said yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I had met Haley before because she had done

609
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Speaker 1: a song that she said was kind of inspired by

610
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Speaker 1: She's Love the Boy and asked me to sing on it.

611
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Speaker 1: So she and I know each other, and we got

612
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Speaker 1: together and wrote a song about our moms. That didn't

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Speaker 1: make the record, but it could make a future record.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

615
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Speaker 1: I loved it, and we just kept getting together to write,

616
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Speaker 1: and so we wrote a song called drunk Works that's

617
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Speaker 1: really funny. It's funny because my serious songwriter friends are like,

618
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: so glad you didn't do some song about like girls

619
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Speaker 1: going down to Broadway and drinking. I'm like, well, really,

620
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: sorry to disappoint you, but that's a song that we

621
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: did write. And when we were writing it, we were

622
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: laughing so hard. On the work tape, Haley is laughing

623
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Speaker 1: at the end so much. That's it's so great that

624
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to hear her on the record,

625
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: and so we just asked if she'd come in and

626
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Speaker 1: do a duet. So it's it's doubly personal because it's

627
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Speaker 1: it's Hailey, and I feel like I'm, you know, getting

628
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Speaker 1: to say thank you for having me on her record.

629
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Speaker 1: But also she's a writer, so it made it on

630
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Speaker 1: the on the on the single.

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Speaker 4: On the song did you have fun in Nashville when

632
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Speaker 4: You're twenty one?

633
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Speaker 2: Did I have fun in National one?

634
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Speaker 4: No?

635
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Speaker 5: Is it?

636
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Speaker 4: Why not? Well?

637
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Speaker 1: I mean I was in school, I wasn't a Partier.

638
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: Broadway was you know, just really not a place she went.

639
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: It was really a dangerous part of town. There wasn't

640
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: anything like it is obviously now, and there wasn't really

641
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: anywhere to go. There was, you know, there was a

642
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: couple of restaurants that some of the students we'd go

643
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: hang out at. But and and then I write in

644
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, write while I was still in college, I

645
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: got an internship MTM Records, Mary Teller Moore Records, and

646
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: so I was working, and then I got a job singing.

647
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Speaker 2: I was singing in a bowling alley on the weekends.

648
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Speaker 4: What were you singing?

649
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: Top forty, like, you know, everything from Ronstadt to Whitney,

650
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: Houston to everything.

651
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Speaker 4: For how long?

652
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Speaker 2: I did it for a couple of years?

653
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Speaker 4: And how long each time it's shift?

654
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Speaker 1: Uh you'd sing for you'd sing Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and

655
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Speaker 1: you'd sing from like seven to one, maybe longer on

656
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Speaker 1: the week maybe at two on the weekend. And then

657
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Speaker 1: you get two hundred bucks for the weekend. I mean

658
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Speaker 1: it was a lot. It was a lot. And you know,

659
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: people are sitting right in front of you, smoking in

660
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: your face. And then I started doing demos and I

661
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: realized that I could sorry get more work use my

662
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: hands a lot. I could get my more work in

663
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 1: demos if I quit the night job. And also I

664
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: was just I sounded like I had smoked two cards

665
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: of cigarettes the night before in the morning at a

666
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: ten o'clock session. So I finally made the transition around.

667
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: I could make a lot more money doing demos, even

668
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: though that was forty bucks a two. I did a

669
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: lot of demos, and I made my own hours, made

670
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: my own work, and I did I did really well.

671
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: So gave up the bowl and Alley.

672
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 4: Did you ever give up the big dream while you

673
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: were here?

674
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: No? No, I never did.

675
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean I thought I always believed that this is

676
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: what I was supposed to do.

677
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: Because I didn't want to do anything else. I didn't

678
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: have a backup plan.

679
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have a well, if I can't be an artist,

680
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: I want to be in the music industry.

681
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

682
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: That would have been a torture to be in the

683
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: music industry and not doing this.

684
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: This was all I ever wanted to do.

685
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: I actually, during my demo days, one of the guys

686
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: that heard me sing this was in the nineties when

687
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: or the eighties, when what was the name of the

688
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: band that paul At Carlson was the lead singer for.

689
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: I went on one, Yeah, thank you, this is my

690
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: this is this is COVID menopause brain.

691
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure which one.

692
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: Anyway, she was leaving, she was leaving, okay, I thought

693
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: you might be a menopause Anyway, she was leaving the

694
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: band and they were auditioning singers to take her place.

695
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: And I got asked to audition, and I did, and

696
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: I made it to the final couple of people, and

697
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: they flew me out to Denver to meet the manager.

698
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: And when I when I got home, I thought, I

699
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to offer this to me

700
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: or not, but I feel like if I take it,

701
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: I'm stepping into a successful group that no one's going

702
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: to be able to be paul atte Carlson or make

703
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: people forget that such a successful group. And then I'm

704
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: also kind of saying, well, you've believed in yourself your

705
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: whole life that you could be a solo artist, but

706
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: now you're going to give up and do this. And

707
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: so I sent a letter and said I'm going to

708
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: take myself.

709
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: Out of the running. Wow, And.

710
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: I did, and I don't know if they would have

711
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: offered it to me or not, but I think the

712
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: way they tell it, they rejected me. But I don't

713
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: think that's but that's not what happened.

714
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: What an interesting crossroads I was talking yesterday because I

715
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: think there are these moments in our life that, you know,

716
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: we make the decision, and then we live with the

717
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: decision and we can look at it and go I

718
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: either learned from it, or I'm glad I made it,

719
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: or who knows. But I was offered one of the

720
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: hosting one of the judging jobs on The Mass Singer

721
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: before the show started, and I didn't know what that

722
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: show wasn't that wasn't an American show. Its from like Japan, right,

723
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: And they were like, come be a judge on this show.

724
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: And at the same time, I just started to have

725
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: some success in television and I had done my first

726
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: season on Idol, but I wasn't full time yet. I

727
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: had done like half the episodes, and they said, hey,

728
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: come do full time on Idol, but I was like

729
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: fifth string because there was the judges, there were Seacrest,

730
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: and it was me and I was on every episode,

731
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: but I still wasn't one of the main three, and

732
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: they also were like, but you'll do Dancing with the

733
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: Stars as well. And I had to decide, and I said,

734
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: I've never heard of the mass singer, So I'm going

735
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: to go do American Idol and Dancing with the Stars.

736
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: And I'm super happy that I did. Like, looking back,

737
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: I think I would have made the same decision. But

738
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: what a weird decision to have to make. Yours reminded

739
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: me of that because here you are, you've been trying

740
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: to make it. Here's a path to making it right,

741
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: whatever that means.

742
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I didn't have anything on the other side.

743
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: I didn't have a record deal, you know, I didn't,

744
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, So I don't know.

745
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: And I'm really glad if you did that, like what, I.

746
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: Don't know, because I don't know that I would make

747
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: the same decision. I'd be like, I get to get

748
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: paid a little more and go travel. I think I'm

749
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: going to go do it. I think that was a

750
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: very mature decision to make for however old you were.

751
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was. I was. I was twenty two.

752
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: Something, and you really believed in yourself.

753
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: I guess I did you know. I guess there was

754
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: something deep down. I mean because when I look at

755
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: that and think about it, I'm like.

756
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: That was why didn't you?

757
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really gutsy to not take that gig.

758
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: It was a sure thing, But I mean it was

759
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: the right move because I think it was obviously the

760
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: right move for me, and I think I got a

761
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: record deal within a couple of years.

762
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: I would be proud of. Are you proud of yourself?

763
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: Not just for that, but in general? Are you proud

764
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: of yourself?

765
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

766
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm proud of myself because I come

767
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: from a very small town and I never gave up

768
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: on a really big, impossible dream and I and I

769
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: get to do it for a living.

770
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 4: When did you and when were you able to look

771
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 4: back and go? You know, I'm proud of myself maybe today.

772
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: No, I don't know if anybody's ever asked me that question.

773
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 4: It's weird.

774
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: It's a weird question. I've only through therapy started to have.

775
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: I have to look at myself through another lens or

776
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: I hate everything I do.

777
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: It's hard to say it about yourself, and it's uncomfortable.

778
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: It's a weird question to ask yourself, much less anybody else.

779
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: But like I might need your therapist.

780
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a.

781
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: I go to a psychiatrist who can prescribe medicine I've

782
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: never been. And here's the thing about that, they cost

783
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: like three times as much. Oh yeah, yeah it sucks.

784
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: Do you know what I did that that Amy turned

785
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: me on to. Actually Amy did an interview with a

786
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: woman who does lens therapy.

787
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 4: Do you know about this brain?

788
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: The brain? And I go to her and it's changed

789
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: my life.

790
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: Okay, see, I think for some reason you were meant

791
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: to sit in that chair and tell me that today.

792
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 4: Really, now, I'm gonna tell you.

793
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: Happs, I don't ever talk about this. Well I do,

794
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: I do with all my friends, but not on you know, publicly.

795
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: So Amy bought me a gift of that and I've

796
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: never used it, and she bought it for me many

797
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: many seasons ago. And it just I feel like I

798
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: don't want to go to sit and have them do

799
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: some brain work. Amy Grant was also somebody who would

800
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: would talk about it, and it's talked to me about it.

801
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: And this morning I'm driving into work and I've been

802
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: this morning, I'm driving into work and I've been kind

803
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 3: of kicking the can with it, and I was like,

804
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: I'm just going to tell Amy that if she just

805
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: sets the appointment, I will go, and and I forgot

806
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: to tell her this morning or I just was like,

807
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: you know what, screw it. The fact that you said

808
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: that on the same day that I told me that's weird.

809
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: That means you need to do it.

810
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: So for me, I had COVID like everybody did, and

811
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: I had a mile case of COVID, but it really

812
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: messed with my smell and taste. And I also had

813
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: so I would say, I'm a long COVID person. So

814
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: I had all the brain fog. I'm sixty. People are like,

815
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: you're in menopause. I'm like, yeah, but this is different,

816
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: Like I can't I'm looking at a rolling pin and

817
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: I can't name it. So I either have early onset

818
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's or something's wrong. And so a friend of mine CALLI,

819
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: heard Amy's interview with Sherry at Lynn's therapy and told

820
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: me about it, and I went. And I didn't tell

821
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: anybody I was going because I'm like, I don't even know,

822
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand what this does. And the first thing

823
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: I noticed was that I was sleeping better than I'd

824
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: slept in ten years. And then I noticed the fogs

825
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: start to lift, and the if you've ever had surgery,

826
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you've ever been had anesthesia, your brain

827
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: stays asleep. My brain was asleep, and.

828
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: I didn't know what. I didn't know that what you said, if.

829
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: You've ever had anesthesia, your brain doesn't fully wake back up.

830
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: So everybody could benefit from having their brain awake.

831
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 4: So what happened? When you go what happens?

832
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: So they put these little electrodes.

833
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: It looks like you're about to get to like shock therapy,

834
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: but it's not that there's a little electrodes. The first

835
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: they're grounded on your ears and they hit little different spots,

836
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: so I think there's twenty one places on your brain,

837
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: and you'll hit like retention, like if you're reading, do

838
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: you retain what you're reading? Motivation, childhood memory. So it's

839
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: like you're going to therapy in a way, but you're

840
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: not talking about it.

841
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: They're just it's just your brain.

842
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: Your brain waves are sitting here in a rut or

843
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: there if you loop, if you hit a block every time,

844
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: and this tiny little charge you don't feel, it lifts

845
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: those brain waves and they go, oh, there's a better way.

846
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: And I mean it's I feel like my brain feels

847
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: like it did in my thirties, Like I feel it

848
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: works completely. And I've sent a bunch of people, like

849
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: I'll usually run into someone I know walking.

850
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: Out of there when I go in, And it takes

851
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. It's not expensive.

852
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: Goa have to get naked, you could, but probably to.

853
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's optional.

854
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: I think that that is totally bizarre, but also I'll

855
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: accept that it was more than bizarre.

856
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's meant to be.

857
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: And it takes a few times, like I went, She

858
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: says you an average of like ten times. You don't

859
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: have to, Like if you miss a week, it's not

860
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: like your brain goes back to sleep, and once your

861
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: brain's awake, it's awake. But if you get COVID again,

862
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: or if you because COVID, they found that COVID kind

863
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: of does that, it kind of puts your brain in delta.

864
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: And they're seeing a lot of success with this with

865
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: COVID patients. They do it a lot for childhood trauma

866
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: for kids, like they treated a lot of the Covenant kids.

867
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: They help them process the trauma quickly and it helps

868
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: them be able to move through it better. They also

869
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: work with if you've ever had a concussion, if you've

870
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: ever hit your head, you'll see it on the computer.

871
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: You'll see the spot on your head. It's pretty crazy.

872
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 4: You ever had acupuncture? Yes, I've been going every week.

873
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.

874
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if it is though, I.

875
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: Mean, I guess it's great. What do you go for?

876
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: What do you I don't.

877
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: I don't sleep and it sucks. Yeah, and I think

878
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: I used to wear it as a badge of honor.

879
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: Now it just it physically hurts me.

880
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, because sleep is so sleep is so important. I

881
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: think the brain Lady will help you with your sleep.

882
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: I do I believe that. Have you ever had dry needling?

883
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, only for injuries though.

884
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do it for about once a month for

885
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: because I strength trained three times a week. And I'm

886
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: also older and so everything always heard.

887
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm a little older than you.

888
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: You're saying, I'm your mom who watches Dancing with the

889
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: Stars that comes up to me and goes, I.

890
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 4: Watched Dancing with I Love you, Bobby.

891
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: Buzz bringing the Angels. I'm always curious about track ones

892
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: of every project from everybody, Like why is there a

893
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: reason is it tempo, is it the message? Like why

894
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 3: what's that song about? And why is the track one?

895
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yes and yes and yes to all that,

896
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: but also sometimes for me, track one always just shows

897
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: itself and I don't have a really great explanation for why.

898
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: The first song in the last song always kind of

899
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 1: scream themselves to me, and then you got to figure

900
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: out how the rest of them fit. But Leslie Satcher,

901
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: who is a co writer on a lot of these songs,

902
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: she was she was the catalyst that kept calling me.

903
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: Every time I would say I'm not a writer, she'd

904
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: call me back and say, Trisha Hearwood, you're a writer.

905
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: We're gonna write.

906
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: And we would book an appointment and I would you know,

907
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: fake and asthma attack and not show up. And finally

908
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: we wrote and this song. She said, I want us

909
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: to write. I feel like we need to write some

910
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: kind of a gospel thing. And I said, well, I'm

911
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: a spiritual, spiritual person, but I'm not a wear it

912
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: on my sleeve kind of you know, card carrying person

913
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: in that way. But I mean I'm interested in writing

914
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: something like that. And bridget Tatum, who is a badass,

915
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: came over and we've written together, the three of us

916
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: several times, and we were just batting around ideas about

917
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: not wanting to be some kind of like like a

918
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: like a hymn, but like something really tough. And my

919
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: sister Beth was in the house and she came by

920
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: to say hi to them, and we were just talking

921
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: and Beth was kind of sitting in and we were

922
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: having our coffee and I said, well, I'm gonna get

923
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: out of here, but you guys are really you're bringing

924
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: the angels today. And we're like, well, she's a go

925
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: writer now, because that's the that's the song. And Leslie

926
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: starts every song on the first line. She just start singing,

927
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: and she just started singing somebody out to get Hell

928
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: on the line. I'm like, well, I don't know what

929
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: this song is, but I love it already. So I

930
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: love that it's just and it is a tempo. It

931
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: does kind of set the stage for like you're not

932
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: sure what to expect. We're gonna we're just gonna be

933
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: in your face with the first song.

934
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: Do last song?

935
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: Now, last song is when October Settles In, which is

936
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: interestingly the first song I wrote when this whole portal opens.

937
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: Why the portal open. I want to take another.

938
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: Step back, and I don't know, I don't know if

939
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: I had just blocked it or I don't know. Again,

940
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm pretty zen and I'm pretty like

941
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: really believe things happen when they're supposed to. And I

942
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: don't think I could have written a lot of these songs.

943
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: I know I couldn't written these songs in my twenties.

944
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: So maybe things happen when they're supposed to. But I

945
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: think what happened was, you know, Leslie, I really do

946
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: credit her. I give her a special thank you on

947
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: the in the notes on the record, because she was

948
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: just persistent. She believed in me more than I've believed

949
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: in myself, and she kept calling, kept so that first

950
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: writing session that I showed up to, she had booked

951
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: us with Steve Dorrif, who's a famous songwriter. Right, And

952
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: I go in and I have my sheets of paper

953
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: that I have written my thoughts in one liners on

954
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: for twenty years, and I don't want to show it

955
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: to anybody because I'm you know, I'm scared that they're

956
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna go all this sucks. And Leslie just finally just says,

957
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: give me the give me the paper so she I

958
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: can handle the papers and she's reading through all my

959
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: stuff and she says, uh, what's this one October settles

960
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: in thing?

961
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 2: And I said, well, it's kind of sad.

962
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, my mom passed away in October, and it's

963
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think about the date coming up,

964
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: but I you feel it, the weather change, you feel

965
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: it coming and you're like, oh, that's what it is.

966
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: And so we wrote this song and it it. When

967
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: I left there that day, I was so emotional. And

968
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm not an emotional person. I'm more emotional now than

969
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: I used to be, but I'm not like a I'm

970
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: not a crier. I'm married to a crier. I'm not

971
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: that girl. But I got in the car and I

972
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: was really and I think it was two things. I

973
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: think one was obviously it was a song about my

974
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: mom for me, so it was really emotional in that way.

975
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: But also I realized I can do this. I didn't

976
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: sit in the room. I contributed to that you know session,

977
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: and I knew. I knew in that moment I can

978
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: do this. And that was when the you're not a

979
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: songwriter went out the door. And I don't know I

980
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: can't explain why. In one session one like I gradually

981
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: came to it. It was like, oh no, that's not the truth.

982
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: This is the truth.

983
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: Like that, Yeah, so tell me about the song. Then

984
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: it's about your mom.

985
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: It's about my mom.

986
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean, we made it to where it can be,

987
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: you can make it to be for whatever for But

988
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: it really just talks about I don't need to I

989
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: don't need to see the calendar. I don't need to

990
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: know the date. It's like you just it's like you

991
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: feel it in your bones. And my friends know not

992
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: to call me. It's just it's just me. When October

993
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: settles in, it's a ballad we and it's just a

994
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: very it's a piano vocal. We end up putting just

995
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: a four string thing on it really simple, and I

996
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: just couldn't imagine what would come after that. On the

997
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: on the record Hold On Good Your Mom Day twenty eleven,

998
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: my that.

999
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: That feeling is mostly around my mom's birthday, more so

1000
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: than when she died. But I know, and I like,

1001
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: I know exactly what you're talking about because it just

1002
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: feels and I won't say different because nobody else feels it,

1003
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: but it just feel there's just a feeling to around

1004
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: her birthday, like something really personal.

1005
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 4: And I'm not much of an external feeler, but I

1006
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 4: do get very externally feeling around that time.

1007
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, I'm not the person

1008
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: who likes to dwell on like I don't. I'm not

1009
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: sitting here going because and my mom's birthday was in November,

1010
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: so maybe it's the beginning of fall and it all

1011
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: just kind of comes at the same time. But I'm

1012
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: not the person like I don't want to. I don't

1013
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to just talk about who

1014
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: died this week. And I'm not that. I'm not that person.

1015
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: But I feel and I and I miss my mom

1016
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: and dad every day, but I feel them with me.

1017
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: I feel them with me, so I don't I don't

1018
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: mourn them in a sad way every day at all,

1019
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: because I feel I find joy in in all of

1020
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: the things that are that are me that I got

1021
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: from them. But I do think that you definitely feel it.

1022
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: One of the UH string players on the session, he

1023
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: came in. I've done him for years, and he said,

1024
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: he just said, when after you heard the song? He said,

1025
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: who did you lose? And I said, my mom. He goes,

1026
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: yep for me. It was my son, and he said

1027
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: it's may for me. So I think there is that

1028
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: feeling you don't, you're not you're not looking for it,

1029
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: which just shows up.

1030
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1031
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 3: I was at the Opry last night and I had

1032
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: some friends in town that live in Indiana, and so

1033
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: they came in and I was kind of showing them

1034
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: around and they were asking about he Hall, which I

1035
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: grew up watching he Hall. My well, my grandma grew

1036
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: up watching Ee Hall, So I watched he Hall.

1037
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: Did you do he Haw? Ever? I did it once

1038
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 4: because that was like right when it was ending.

1039
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: It was and I was they were done with the Cornfield,

1040
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: so the the cornfield became a mall?

1041
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 4: Was it? It was this still over in the Opry

1042
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: build the Opera building.

1043
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: Right, That was one I was probably on the last

1044
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: season because it was it was ending, and I just

1045
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: did it the one time. And I don't even think

1046
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: I did any of the skits. I think I just

1047
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: performed what did you say?

1048
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: She's Loved the Boy? Because it was it was it

1049
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: was right in the ninety one.

1050
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

1051
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.

1052
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: You've been in Nashville through some seasons, including like the

1053
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 3: television show Nashville, which I that's when I moved here

1054
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 3: when that show was happening.

1055
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 4: Were you ever on that show?

1056
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I did. I played Trisha Yearwood.

1057
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: I played I played myself too. I literally played me.

1058
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1059
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 2: I was there for like five minutes.

1060
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: It was an awards shows like a CMA, and I

1061
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: went out to do a presenting thing that I was

1062
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: on there for just five minutes. What's interesting about that

1063
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: is before, long before Nashville they did it, there was

1064
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: a show that I did X's and O's was was

1065
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: the theme song for a pilot for a potential show

1066
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: about Nashville's and I think the show was called X's Nose.

1067
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember. It might have been called Nashville, but

1068
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: it was. Pam Tillis was in it, Manuel was in it.

1069
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: I was not in it, but I sang that theme

1070
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: song for it. And then they didn't pick up. They

1071
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: did like a two hour movie and they didn't pick

1072
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: up the series. But it was really a precursor to

1073
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: this show, which I loved.

1074
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: I thought.

1075
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great postcard for tourism for Nashville.

1076
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 4: Nashville the show.

1077
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I thought the first few seasons were awesome. Yeah,

1078
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: because when it started I was still in Texas, and

1079
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: then when it moved, when we moved here, it was

1080
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: like right in the prime of it, and it was

1081
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: I had dabbled in acting. I'm not an actor, but

1082
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: they had put me in a couple of things, and

1083
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: then they had me play myself, but I had real

1084
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: life lines. And even if you're playing yourself, it's weird.

1085
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: It's very hard to be you. It's very hard, even

1086
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: when you're playing yourself to say the lines.

1087
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: Weird. Yeah, all the cameras were on me, and I'm

1088
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: with all these season pros, and I like, don't want

1089
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 4: to let anybody down. I don't want to make them reshoot.

1090
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: I was so nervous playing me.

1091
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was a bizarre feeling to be nervous

1092
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: playing me because I was with I was doing this

1093
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: I See with Connie, and I had like eight lines,

1094
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: so it was enough that I definitely could mess it up.

1095
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: And I felt like a baby bird, like it just

1096
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: a trembling, shaky little baby bird.

1097
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird because you're you're playing yourself, but you're

1098
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: you have to hit a Mark, you have to look

1099
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: at a certain way. You're You've got other people in

1100
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: the scene counting on you, and you're saying lines that

1101
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: aren't that you didn't write, even though they're.

1102
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: Supposed to be from You're right, people are counting on

1103
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 3: me in a way that I don't. I count on

1104
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: me and I count on others to count on me.

1105
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: But I'm going to lead it like that's everything that

1106
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: I do.

1107
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 4: Now.

1108
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that situation was not that, and I think that's

1109
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: why it was so uncomfortable for me.

1110
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's a good point. I think I'm

1111
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: the same way I'm in. I'm a Virgo, so I

1112
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: had to control every situation anyway.

1113
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 4: Is that what virgo does?

1114
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're controlling. We're very detailed, and we're a little controlling,

1115
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: and we're perfectionists.

1116
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: And how much do you believe this stuff?

1117
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: I believe it. I do don't feel.

1118
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 3: Like anybody could just say they're they have Virgo traits

1119
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: and be like, I'm a Virgo.

1120
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: Well I do.

1121
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I do think that it's interesting if you don't. I'm

1122
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: not like a I don't. I don't read my horoscope

1123
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: every day or anything. I'm not that girl. But I

1124
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: do think when you read about each one that you're

1125
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: that you can see yourself in the in what you are?

1126
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: What are you?

1127
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 5: Do?

1128
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: You know? Yeah? But I feel like what you just said,

1129
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: I'm a virgo. Now I identify as a virgo. Well

1130
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: that's fine, Yes you can. I'm an aries.

1131
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad was an aries.

1132
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 4: But I mean that's just I don't know. I don't either.

1133
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's fun people ask me what my

1134
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: Enneagram number is.

1135
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1136
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1137
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 4: See, I'm into that.

1138
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1139
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: I've taken the test a few times and I'm different

1140
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: every time. But see, I feel like, but.

1141
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 4: There's got to be a number for that. If you

1142
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 4: take it every time and you're different, you need your

1143
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: own like special number.

1144
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm trying to impress the tests.

1145
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 5: You know.

1146
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: You know that, you know, because the questions are like

1147
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: would you do? How are you in this? And I'm like,

1148
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: am I? Am I really a good person?

1149
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: Do I check that?

1150
00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: Am I five?

1151
00:46:59,400 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 4: Here?

1152
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: Am I to?

1153
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 4: Like?

1154
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: I don't know?

1155
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 4: People pleaser?

1156
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1157
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: Are you people? Are you generally people pleaser?

1158
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm generally I'm getting better?

1159
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was raised to not you know, rock

1160
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: the boat, and I want everybody to be happy, and

1161
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't like it when people aren't happy with me.

1162
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: But I'm also I feel it when somebody's in a

1163
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: bad mood. I feel it in my body and I

1164
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: hate that.

1165
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: What about codependency? Do you ever fall into those traps?

1166
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: I think so, I think I have all of it.

1167
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 4: I didn't think I did.

1168
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I know I did, and

1169
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: I know I wasn't a people pleaser professionally, but that's

1170
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: all I had, right. I never had much of a

1171
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: personal life because it was block out everything personal because

1172
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: that hurts, and let's just chase professional and let's get

1173
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: out of the hole.

1174
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 4: And that's what I thought I was doing.

1175
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: But really I was just running away from the actual hole,

1176
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: which ain't so bad when you address it. So but

1177
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: forever I was like, not a people pleaser at all.

1178
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: Then I met my wife. I was not codependent at all.

1179
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: Then I met my wife and I we go to

1180
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 3: couples counseling every other week and we've been going since

1181
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: we got married, which is great. It's the greatest thing

1182
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: for us because it has taught me that everything uncomfortable

1183
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: doesn't mean don't touch it. That's really what I take

1184
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: away from those sessions, because I would just not want

1185
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: her to be mad or sad or insert whatever emotion

1186
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: that wasn't positive, and it would affect me in such

1187
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: a way that by it affecting me so much, would

1188
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: affect her even more. And I really learned what codependency

1189
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 3: was through me getting married and never having anything personal

1190
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: that meant anything to me really, and then having something

1191
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: that meant everything to me and then having to adjust again.

1192
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 3: But it was the greatest adjustment yea, because I never

1193
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 3: had any sort of I feel this towards anybody, any

1194
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: personal cut anybody out, no problem.

1195
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: But for me, the people pleasing thing is also not

1196
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: is terrible for so many reasons because what I do

1197
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: is I will say yes to something I don't want

1198
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: to do, or I will, you know, go along with

1199
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: something I don't want to go along with. But you're

1200
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: gonna know because I'm going to be passive aggressive about it,

1201
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: you know that I don't I don't like it, you know,

1202
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: instead of just saying, hey, that's just not me. I

1203
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: appreciate you asking, but can you do that? I think

1204
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm getting better, but I still do it. I still

1205
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: have to really fight it because there's that My sister

1206
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: and I talk about this a lot. My sister's older

1207
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: than me, and she's a few years older than me,

1208
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: and she has really had to fight the people please

1209
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: her gene because I at least got into the music

1210
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: industry and realized I'm a boss and I have to

1211
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: stand up for myself. I have to say what I need,

1212
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: I have to hire and fire people. I had to learn.

1213
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: But she never did that. You know, she went to

1214
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: school and she has a PhD in animal nutrition, but

1215
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: she got married and had children and decided raising her

1216
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: children was her profession, which is honorable. So she's not

1217
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: had to have the confrontational things that I've had to do.

1218
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: I've learned every time I have the conversation that's hard.

1219
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm better for it.

1220
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 4: Me too.

1221
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: And I dreaded it forever and it was always turned out.

1222
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did it, but it's never easy.

1223
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 4: And I still dread doing it, even though I know

1224
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 4: that it has always made me in some way better.

1225
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you don't deal with whatever the thing is,

1226
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: it's going to keep coming. You don't until you learn

1227
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 1: the lesson and keeps coming back around.

1228
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: But I don't know that I've fully learned the lesson.

1229
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: Even though I know the lesson now, I don't know

1230
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: that I fully have learned it because I still am like, oh, man,

1231
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: sometimes I just don't want to do it.

1232
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: Well, that's living, right, So you just get better at

1233
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: it and you work toward it, and hopefully by the

1234
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, in twenty years, you'll be like I've.

1235
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: Got this down.

1236
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: I'll be like, I'm so old and somebody be like, dude,

1237
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: you're not that old. I'm like, well, Tricia, she's sixty,

1238
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: she died tomorrow.

1239
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm in an industry that's young, and I get these

1240
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: girls are like, oh, I'm turning forty.

1241
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's such a cute age, Like shut up.

1242
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 3: I love the title Fragile like a Bomb? Yeah, the title?

1243
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: Where did the who had the title? Or did the

1244
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: title come up through the writing process?

1245
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: I had the title.

1246
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: Ruth Bader Ginsburg had a quote that attributed to her

1247
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: about women, and she said, not fragile like a flower,

1248
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: fragile like a bomb.

1249
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: And I just love that quote.

1250
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: And so we were I was sitting with Chad Carlson,

1251
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: co writer, and Melissa Fuller and we were talking about

1252
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who I love dearly, who is

1253
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: successful in every way, but allows this guy that she

1254
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: dates to treat her not well and doesn't see the

1255
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: beauty and the glory, you know, in her, And and

1256
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm like, she's it's like she's she's

1257
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: she seems like such a badass, but inside she's tender,

1258
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: she's fragule, like a bomb. And they've not heard the saying,

1259
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: and they're like, we need to write that. And so

1260
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of where it came from. And I love

1261
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: that song because it really talks about you. Just you

1262
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: see her from the outside, she's this she's just this

1263
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: amazing person, but you don't see the inside. You don't

1264
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: see how that she doesn't sleep at night, You don't

1265
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: see these things about her. You don't you don't recognize

1266
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: how incredible she is. And that's kind of how that

1267
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: came about.

1268
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 3: Final question, Name three things that you love that have

1269
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: nothing to do with cooking, or music or family, because

1270
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: I think those are obvious, especially with you. The cooking part.

1271
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: Mine wouldn't be cooking. Yeah, But name three things you

1272
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: love that aren't those three.

1273
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: Nature, hiking, why it's like meditation, for me and that

1274
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: the dogs hold into that. I'm a animal freak. I

1275
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: worry about every animal in the world. You know when

1276
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: I say my prayers, not I'm praying for the deer

1277
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: out and the you know it's raining tonight.

1278
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: Whatever. I'm that girl. So those two things go together.

1279
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: I love getting to watch my dogs on the trail

1280
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 1: because we hike about a three and a half mile

1281
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: trail get to just get they get six miles to

1282
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: my three. I love to see them get to be

1283
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: dogs and do their thing.

1284
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: That's one of.

1285
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: My favorite things in the world. Uh, what else do

1286
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: I really love That has nothing to do with those things.

1287
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: I love to crochet.

1288
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 4: To most people I know that love to crochet or

1289
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 4: net or it's to to get their mind off of things. Yeah.

1290
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 4: Because it's focus. Yes, is that why? Yes? It feels

1291
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 4: very much like nature when you said meditation, which is focus.

1292
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1293
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 4: So you love the focus of.

1294
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: Crocheting, Yeah, I think so. And I used to.

1295
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: I started doing it in high school because somebody gave

1296
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: me a crochet kit and and I just did it

1297
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: and it was fun, and then it was like, Okay,

1298
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to eat at night, so if I

1299
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: have a if I have an afghan in my lap

1300
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: that I'm crocheting and my hands are moving, I'm not

1301
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: going to beat potato chips a ten o'clock at night.

1302
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 2: So it's also a tool for that.

1303
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: But it is a I love it because it is

1304
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: a way to decompress where you can't. You can't your

1305
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: mind just can't because my mind will just go to

1306
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: a million things. You have to focus on the project

1307
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: in front of you, and you see something for your effort.

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00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're seeing something being made. You're not

1309
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, you're not sitting there just playing a video

1310
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: game or something on your phone. You're actually doing something

1311
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: that is going to give you something at the end

1312
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: of it. So I like it for that too.

1313
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 4: So we got nature, we got crocheting.

1314
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, did dogs fit in there?

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00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 4: No? Okay, all right, that's like family.

1316
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? What else? What else do I like to do?

1317
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: You can't go to somebody else for what you like

1318
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 4: to do? That's wait, the beach, beach you just use

1319
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: a lifeline on the question about it? I did.

1320
00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: I phoned a friend.

1321
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 4: So the beach you love the beach to the beach.

1322
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: I saw you had a pick a ball card I

1323
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: did also to love pick a ball the beach for me,

1324
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: and Gar says it's about me. He goes like, you're like,

1325
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: I love being around you, but when you get to

1326
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: the beach, you're different. It's like I feel the weight

1327
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: just go off my shoulders. And when when I was

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00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: a kid, we would go to the beach for three days.

1329
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: My dad didn't like to be gone for more than

1330
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: three nights four days, so we'd go to the beach

1331
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: and basically turn around and come home.

1332
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 2: You know, you weren't there very long.

1333
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 1: So I always felt like I got like a taste

1334
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: of the beach, but never got to really just be

1335
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: on the beach.

1336
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 2: So that is my happy place.

1337
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: That's kind of a recharge for me, is to just

1338
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: go and I like to walk the beach. I like

1339
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: to look for shells, and I like, you know, sand

1340
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: dollars full sand dollars that are untouched or my favorite

1341
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: thing in the world, and just just the being and

1342
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: hearing the surf, Like all of that for me is

1343
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: like he.

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00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 6: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our

1345
00:54:51,760 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 6: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 4: Are you able to sing any of your massive hits

1347
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 4: in another language. No, have you had to ever?

1348
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: No?

1349
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: No, I've had to sing in a foreign language before,

1350
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: but not one of my songs I had to sing.

1351
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: I sang in Italy with Pavarotti and we sang in Latin.

1352
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Wait what that was just the thing I did?

1353
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 4: Wait what I know?

1354
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: He did a He used to do a every year

1355
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: he had a charity event for war children of Liberia.

1356
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: It was a big thing and it was filmed and

1357
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: I got invited one year and it was me and

1358
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: like a couple of Spice girls and like Vanessa Williams

1359
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: and Celine Dion and von Jovi, like it was an

1360
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: eclectic group of people and me and we sang, oh,

1361
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: come all ye faithful. But we did it, and we

1362
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: sang in English and Latin Adessa fidelis and because he

1363
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: didn't speak English and I didn't speak Italian and so

1364
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: we basically sang in Latin.

1365
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: It was wild, but it was cool. It was really cool.

1366
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds really awesome.

1367
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: It was really awesome.

1368
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 4: I mean, he can sing.

1369
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: It was it was amazing And that was the moment

1370
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: I he.

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00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 4: Can sing, right, I oh yeah, but is it like

1372
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 4: next level?

1373
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: It is? It's it's it's his full body.

1374
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean it was like I've never I mean, I

1375
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: sang some operetta in college and I it's a it's

1376
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: a different it's a it's a way to use your

1377
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: voice in a completely different way, which most people can

1378
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of mimic if you're a singer, you can kind

1379
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: of do it a little, but to be a trained

1380
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: classical singer like that is uh. I mean, the breathing

1381
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: and the using the diaphragm and everything is all the same,

1382
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: but there's something different, and there's a special there are

1383
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: people that it's just like any singer, there are people

1384
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: everybody can't be you know, Whitney Houston. It's like there's

1385
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: a specialness there and he definitely had it.

1386
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: That's really cool. That's where you just fell out of

1387
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: your pocket too.

1388
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 4: It did.

1389
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So before we wrap up, we're going to do

1390
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: one thing and we just leave this all in the

1391
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: very long form version of this. But so we're going

1392
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: to play the mirror on the National Countdown show. And

1393
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 3: so what will happen is I'll take a part of

1394
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: it and just put it in the show. And so

1395
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna set you up. So forty five seconds

1396
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: which is a long time, but used in that capacity.

1397
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: They tell me about the Mirror before I play it.

1398
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: The Mirror is a collection of songs that really represent

1399
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: every part of me. There were a lot of songs

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: I probably wrote. There's fifteen songs on the CD. I

1401
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: probably wrote seventy five songs in this couple of years

1402
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: time period, and I had to really go through and go, Okay,

1403
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: there's so many songs to your younger self. You got

1404
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: to pick the ones that really really resonate. So there

1405
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,959
Speaker 1: are a lot of songs that are encouraging. I think

1406
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: to the younger self that I can't wait for you

1407
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: to get here, cause you're gonna You're gonna get it

1408
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: once you get to be once you get to be me. Now,

1409
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: two songs that talk about I made these mistakes that

1410
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: I thought were mistakes at the time, but I've now

1411
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: forgiven myself because you don't know too you know, and

1412
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: it's this is where you are now. And so that's

1413
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: that's part of the journey. And then the other part

1414
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: of the journey was there's a lot of there's a

1415
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: big side of me that just likes to have fun,

1416
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: and so there are even even bringing the Angels is

1417
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: a song that is while being about a serious topic

1418
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: about you know, like I believe that my angels lovely.

1419
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: My mom and dad are in my corner, you know,

1420
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: helping me out down here. But it's a it's a

1421
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: it's a badass, like, you know, I'm gonna roll up

1422
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: my sleeves, like bring it because I've got an army

1423
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: behind me.

1424
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: I like that.

1425
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: And then there's a couple of songs like drunk Works

1426
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: I almost didn't put on the record because it's really

1427
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: about girls going out and having too much to drink,

1428
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: but it's fun. And then there's a song called the

1429
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: Shovel that is that is just a fun song about

1430
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: going to the waffle house with your significant other and

1431
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: he cannot he says the wrong thing and he just

1432
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: keeps saying the wrong thing and he can't dig out

1433
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:52,479
Speaker 1: of the hole.

1434
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: And uh, that's a fun one too. So it's a

1435
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: it's a.

1436
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: Journey of songs to your younger self, but kind of

1437
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: all of there's a lot of people in here, and

1438
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: I guess they're all represented.

1439
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: What about this song the Mirror? Why did you name

1440
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: the whole record after the song? Come me about the.

1441
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: Song the Mirror is.

1442
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: Seemed like the perfect title because, for the first time

1443
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: in my career, it truly is a record, a full

1444
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: album of reflection. It really is an album of like,

1445
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: this is who I am, this is who I've been,

1446
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: And the Mirror talks about that, how hard we are

1447
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: on ourselves. And I will say women, but men and

1448
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: women too were so hard on ourselves. We pick ourselves apart.

1449
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: And if you can kind of figure out how to

1450
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: the hook line, as I've always you've always been the

1451
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: girl in the mirrors, like she sees herself and she's like, oh,

1452
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: she looks good. I like what she's doing, and you

1453
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: don't realize that's me. I'm just I'm so used to

1454
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: picking myself apart, like you talked about earlier, being being

1455
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: able to say you're proud and looking at your career

1456
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: and your life from a different perspective. If we could

1457
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: see ourselves outside ourselves, we would like ourselves a lot more.

1458
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: We just have to, we have to.

1459
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: We work so hard on pulling ourselves apart so that

1460
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: the mirror that song is really about you're okay and

1461
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: you need to I've always seen what you're now finally seeing.

1462
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 4: All right.

1463
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 3: Final question, that's brilliant, by the way, you nailed that. Well,

1464
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: thanks right in the countdown. We have to edit that,

1465
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: take it and put it right in there. What are

1466
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: you going to do the rest of to day?

1467
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 4: Are you done? Now?

1468
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm not done. I am leaving to go to go

1469
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: do another interview where I talk about my album. Then

1470
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm going over to friends and little places, this bar

1471
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: that I co own, and I'm doing another interview. But

1472
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking with some of the songwriters on the record.

1473
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: We're going to do a piece for the Tennessee And well,

1474
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: you're right in.

1475
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 4: The middle of it. I am how many days are

1476
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 4: you doing in a row of this?

1477
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: This is just I'll be it all on one day.

1478
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: We'll get out of bed tomorrow.

1479
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

1480
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: I like to kind of do it all. I like

1481
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: to do it all when i'm working. I like to work.

1482
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: And we're gearing up because when the album comes out

1483
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: July eighteenth, that's the week that is going to be

1484
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: crazy for a couple of weeks, going to be crazy.

1485
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 3: Whenever if I have to do any sort of satellite

1486
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: tour and you just go from one city to the next,

1487
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 3: you sit in one chair.

1488
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 4: You've done this more time than I have.

1489
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: But you sit in one chair and you just go

1490
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: interview to interview, and sometimes you don't even see the people.

1491
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: You just hear their voices and you do seven eight minutes.

1492
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 3: I will forget what questions I've even answered in that segment.

1493
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and have to start worrying if I'm doubling up.

1494
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 4: Are you at that phase of the day yet?

1495
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 6: No?

1496
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: Oh good?

1497
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: Not yet?

1498
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 4: Awesome?

1499
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want, i'd be like I feel you.

1500
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 3: I totally understand what. I always love having you around.

1501
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: Well, thank you aside the same same.

1502
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 3: It's been a while, it has been we haven't evenen

1503
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 3: recording this, So you're ready to record.

1504
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 2: Mike, Yeah right, I'm ready.

1505
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: Congratulations on the record, mostly because congratulations on the record

1506
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 3: to you.

1507
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1508
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really happy. And you probably don't have

1509
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: a CD player anymore. But I don't have the vinyl yet,

1510
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: but I brought you a CD so you can go

1511
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: to somebody's car and listen to it if you want to.

1512
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: I know you've heard it.

1513
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've heard it. But I'm thinking when you

1514
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 3: ask that, but I heard it through a digital link.

1515
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: I don't have a CD player in my car. I

1516
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: have a CD.

1517
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, where do I even find a seat?

1518
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 4: I want it.

1519
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 3: I want it for the aesthetic, right, I should have

1520
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: put it up on the table, but yeah I don't.

1521
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 4: I don't know where that right.

1522
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep it though, Yeah, yeah, uh you

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Speaker 3: guys the mirror check it out, Trisha.

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01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 4: Always great to see you. What I'm going to do

1525
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 4: from this though, is I'm gonna get that meat loaf mix. Yes,

1526
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 4: if it's that imp yes, if it's.

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Speaker 3: That good, We're in because we always look for new

1528
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 3: ways for me not to eat red meat, but for

1529
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: me to trick myself into thinking I'm eating red meat,

1530
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 3: and if that's the way to go, that's what we're

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Speaker 3: gonna do.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's it.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.