WEBVTT - Part Two: Peter Thiel and the Anti-Christ 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:06.120 Also media. 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:12.280 Welcome Behind the Bastards back to podcast people bad about 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:17.200 tell all them you. I'm Robert Evans and yeah with 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.599 me again for part two of our episode on what 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:26.320 Peter Teale thinks about the anti christ. I'm just I'm sorry, 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.840 that's that's what we're talking about, right. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.040 I love it. We're getting right to the heart of 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.400 the matter, you know, because people are like, do you 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:37.720 want to talk about the economy, And I'm like, no, no. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.680 No, I don't. I don't want to talk about the economy. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.680 I'm tired of talking about the economy. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.440 Tell me about what these idiots think, tell me what 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:45.199 they believe. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:50.520 Absolutely, Sarah Marshall, you got anything you want to plug 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.199 here at the start before we dive back into it. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.040 Yeah, I have a new podcast about the Satanic panic 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:01.279 and the wackado horrible things that the fear of a 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.640 Satan who never showed up to the party caused self 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:10.640 described good and law abiding people to bring about. And 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.240 it's a sad show. It's a fun show. It's a 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.839 show about history, it's a show about today. It's called 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.200 The Devil. You know. It's all right now with CBC Podcasts, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.920 And of course I also host a show called You're 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.680 Wrong About and you can listen to that too, and 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.880 it's uh, yeah, you know, we have fun while trying 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.640 to get to the bottom of things, much like you do. 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.080 Right right, We're talking today about Peter Teal being wrong 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.880 about something important, and we're also talking about the devil 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.240 he knows, or at least who he thinks the devil 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:45.520 might be. Yes, his fantasy devil. Yeah, perhaps his fantasy devil. 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.080 I guarantee you're not going to see where this is 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:48.600 building to. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.640 My question, is Sarah, who is your fantasy devil? Oh? 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:54.320 Yeah, there you go. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.520 Peter Cook and Bedazzled of course. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.200 Oh you know I Sarah, you could not have said 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.480 anything that would have gotten me more on your side 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.359 than that. I love the original Bedazzled he is He's 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.840 the best Satan easily by a mile. 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.480 Tell me why you think that is. And people haven't 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.880 seen this movie enough. This is a lie. It's Peter 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:17.840 Cook and Dudley Moore. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.600 I respect, both from a theological standpoint and from just 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.560 an entertainment standpoint. The idea of a devil who is 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.520 folks whose primary focus is not on acts of grand 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.640 evil but on acts of like petty annoyance, like that 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.400 scene where he's just like casually scratching records and then 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.720 putting them in the mail. It's so funny to me. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.959 And there's a scene where he's ripping the last pages 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:40.840 out of novels. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.080 Yes, yes, and there's that. There's that, I mean my 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.040 favorite part. I guess spoilers for the film Bedazzled, which 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.079 is half a century old. But there's a great scene. 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.079 There's a great scene where the guy whose soul he's 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.520 the devil is trying to win and he are talking 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.760 and the guy the human asked him like, why did 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.760 you rebel against God in the place it seems like 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.760 he had a pretty sweet deal and the devil the 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.720 devil like gets up on top of I think it's 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.080 a mailbox or something, and he's like, okay, I'm gonna 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.120 like walk you through what was like you know back then, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.560 I'm God. Start praising me. And the guy's like goes 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.640 around like, I praise you, keep going, keep praising, and 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.280 be keep praising and be keep And he goes on 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.799 like this for a while, and eventually the guy's like, hey, 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.320 can we take a break and maybe I get up 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.200 there for a minute, and the Devil's like, that's exactly 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:23.760 what I thought. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:29.160 Yeah, exactly right. And it plays on the feeling that 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.600 a lot of us have in Sunday School or equivalent 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.160 that like, you know that the character of God in 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.920 the Bible is insufferable, you know, And I know if 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.320 that plays into our topic today, but I have always 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.040 noticed it, and especially and I also really love the 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.640 cartman Land episode of South Park where Kyle's faith is 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.160 challenged and so his parents tell him the story of 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.120 Job and he's like, why would God do that? Too? 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.120 And it's like, why would God do that? Because like saying, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.560 you expect to like try and be a trickster, but 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.800 the fact that God is like, hey, yeah, I should 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.760 ruin this guy's life and see if he still phrases me. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.200 That's a good use of my time. You're like, hmmah. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.039 The day the Devil comes out looking comparatively good in 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.839 that story because it's less of a betrayal from him. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:24.040 He's just an asshole. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:34.200 Yeah yeah, anyway, watch watch the original Bedazzled Wadled the one, Mabey, Yeah. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.000 You can't watch that one. It's cute, it's fun. You want, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.280 but yeah, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, one of the 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.839 great comedy duos. And I do feel like the idea 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:46.520 of just that the trickster devil is so beautifully embodied there, 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.479 and that it's interesting to me that the devil is 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.960 kind of the trickster character, and we took the trickster, 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:56.040 who's necessary in most cosmologies and made him evil is 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.480 very different. Yeah, a very different role to play. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:04.039 Yeah, So I don't know, folks watch The Dazzled. It's 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.400 more biblically accurate than Peter Teal's lecture on the Antichrist. 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:08.000 I'll say that. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.320 Yeah, that feels so true. 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.919 So I had planned, Sarah for us to get through 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.520 the first one of Peter's, like the notes on his 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.200 first lecture, faster than we did. Because we didn't get 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:27.240 through that even. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.159 We might have to do like a day long staged 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.799 event doing that, like when Dandie Kauffman read The Great Gatsby. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.159 Yeah, I'm ready, yeah, Or I could just get this 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.520 the Embarcadero to host me while I talk for four 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.280 days about Peter Teal's lectures on the Antichrist and why 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.719 they're very silly. But we're going to have to cut 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.960 through the remainder of that first lecture before we get 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.080 into who he thinks might be the Antichrist. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:53.640 And so when we left it, I do feel like 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.840 you've given me a pretty clear sense of how unhinged 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.320 this thank you good theology is. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.440 Yeah, I'm glad we at least landed on that. So 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.160 when we last left off with Peter, he was complaining 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.120 that science promised to make us immortal and it failed 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.720 to deliver, which it didn't, but nonetheless, next Peter says 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.719 that after the development of the atom bomb quote, technology 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.960 itself became apocalyptic, and in nineteen forty five, the National 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:24.200 Committee on Atomic Information published One World or None, which 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.040 is generally agreed to have been like the first atomic 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.440 scare movie, Like this is the first like what if 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.080 a nuclear war movie? Right, And the gist of this 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.560 is that nukes were really dangerous and the only rational 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.800 solution to a world in which everyone has nukes is 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.200 a strong United Nations that can put an end to 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.840 war and ensure nuclear weapons are never used. In moss right, yep, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.080 I would say I think most people would say, like, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.320 it's pretty reasonable reaction to nukes. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.400 Kind of the theme of a lot of Twilight Zone 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:57.800 episodes as well, pretty reasonably right. Yeah, really middle of 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:58.880 the road concept. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.239 It's also yeah, also this is also like a reaction 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:02.840 to World War Two, where it's like we should probably 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.920 have some sort of like international law, so like if 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.320 a country's doing war crimes, there's some sort of mechanism 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:09.479 in the. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.280 United States from doing the things that we will choose 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:12.920 to do again. 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.320 Yeah, I mean, we don't really do this the ICs. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:20.840 I mean we briefly Serbia, we punish briefly. But that's 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.640 kind of it, you know, in terms of international law. 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.080 I'm cutting things down a little bit, but we never 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.520 This is not a thing that ever really happens, but 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.160 it is a thing. Peter Teel is in a lot 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.200 always a very old fashioned kind of paranoid. The UN 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.480 is the devil, the anti Christ, wants the UN to 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:39.840 take over the world kind of. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.320 Guys's the Sterling Hayden and Doctor Strangelove kind of a 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.600 role that's so crucial in American politics. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:47.720 And Doctor strange Love is going to come up in 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.320 a little bit here. You're gonna hear what Peter thinks 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.600 about that movie. But it's not it is. He tries 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.560 to dress it up because he knows that, like, well, 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.400 cranks to the guys who think that any reasonable person 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.000 can be like, well, the un never came even any 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.280 we're close to being a one world government, Like, at 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.520 no point did it have even a fraction of that 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.120 much power, obviously. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.760 And if it did, then you know they would have 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.000 solved more problems. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.320 You would think maybe things would be better. Peter is 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.400 that kind of a crank, but he doesn't want you 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.400 to think about that. So we have to dress this 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.280 up in like theological terms, and shit, he. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.120 Can't just be the guy down at the feed store, 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.640 because really he's like you know, Dale from King of 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.960 the Hill. But he has to make it seem important. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.600 Right, And so he says that you know, this movie 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.440 One World or None was the birth of when we 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.440 started seeing technology itself as like apocalyptic, right, And this 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.439 is bad because this is Peter is blaming basically the 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.679 fact that we don't make scientific advancements anymore on this 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.240 train of thinking that starts, you know, with the nuclear 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.800 paranoia of this idea that like, well, technology is bad 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.959 and that's why we're not progressing technologically, of course, And 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.880 I feel like I've explained enough why this is all nonsense. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:03.040 Yeah. Also from a film history perspective, that's even wrong, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.520 because like, what do you call Metropolis Baby Frankenstein. 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:12.040 Yeah, sure, I mean the movie and the book. But yeah, 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.440 there's all There's so much we could critique about this, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.599 but I need to read you this next line. Coincidentally, 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:22.680 this is also when the Catholic Church stopped giving apocalyptic sermons? 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.600 Did it? Is that true? I don't know what the 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.800 fuck you're talking about because I went to I like, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.680 my dad was Catholic. I didn't only go to Catholic Church, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.400 but I went to Catholic Church a good amount as 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.400 a little kid, and I remember the priest talking about 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.319 the end times and the Second Coming. It wasn't the 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.320 only thing. That's certainly not as much of a focus 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.040 in Catholicism. It is as it is in a lot 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.440 of like Evangelical Christian Christian sects, but it's not not 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:48.319 talked about. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.240 Start talking about it constantly, and therefore they're not doing 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:53.199 it at all. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.560 Yeah, like I guess by citation here is like I 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.040 went to church as a kid. What the fuck are 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.640 you basing this on on, Peter, Like that's just not true. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:08.160 And it's also like, well, Catholicism's just one chunk of Christianity, 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.680 and a lot of Christian faiths and priests and pastors 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.520 over the last seventy five eighty years have talked about 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.240 the apocalypse in different ways. It's a common subject. I 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.679 don't know, this whole pillar of his belief system, which 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.599 is that people don't really talk about the Antichrist or 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:29.640 the apocalypse anymore outside of technology causing it is like, No. 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.520 It's like in the late twentieth century people talked about it, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:38.840 you know, an unbelievable amount and like pretty consistently, and 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.199 you know, it's right. It just feels like he's arguing 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.360 whatever he feels like he needs to in order to 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.400 justify his the point he wants to make thing by thing. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.680 Yeah, His issue is that like all of the people 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.439 who are pushing these secular apocalyptic fears about like fertility 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:59.320 collapsing or bioweapons or AI are kind of playing into 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:04.560 the real Antichrist, because the Antichrist wants to stop technological progress, right, 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.680 That's that's the argument he's making. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:13.120 Yes, fascinating, the Antichrist is Amish. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:17.560 Yeah, or a Luddite right now, Peter, the other thing 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.120 I mean and that's really what he believes. He does 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.240 believe the Antichrist is a ludite, and he also misunderstands ledites. Whatever. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.440 He also, he goes on he's angry that he doesn't 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.839 like secular apocalyptic fears because and he complains, he lists 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.280 that like, oh, regular people when they talk about the apocalypse, 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.280 they're always worried about like nukes or biological weapons or 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.040 AI or you know, the children of men, fertility collapse. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.440 And that's really incomplete. Quote. We should add the risk 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:46.040 of the biblical Antichrist manifesting is a one world government. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.720 Here the secular maps neatly onto the theological, the one 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.960 world state of the Antichrist on the other hand, and 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.000 the no world of armageddon. And like, first off, that's 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.439 not really a risk because like they're no one to think, 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.760 no reasonable person thinks one world government is anywhere close 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.679 to a reality, Like it's just not a realistic fear, 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:08.800 Like even if that was a bad thing, it's not 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.679 a realistic fear looking at the world today, and the 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.720 whole this idea that like, oh, the secular maps onto 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.119 the theological. You've got the one world state of the Antichrist, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.520 and then the no world of the of Armageddon, and 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.160 like those things are only map neatly if you're an idiot. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.120 One world or None is arguing in favor of a 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.840 strong you win and a strong international criminal court to 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:34.840 stop world leaders from doing crimes against humanity. That's not 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.679 a one world state. Like the movie that he argues 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.200 for is not advocating a one world state, and neither 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.680 are most people who want a stronger You Win or ICC. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.160 Basically zero percent of people including me, who support a 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.960 stronger ICC, want to one world state. You just want 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.160 there to be punishments for genocide, right, right. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.240 And in this case, it feels like people, including Peter 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.480 tail in this case, are betting themselves in a pretzels 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.200 to justify their desire to get to kill whoever they 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.120 want and call it morally good. 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.280 Yeah, And I think with Peter, because I don't think 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.920 Peter's specifically all that motivated to kill specific groups of people. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.240 But I think Peter ses, if there's an international criminal court, 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.040 if there's a higher international law of any kind, then 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.319 that means I'm bound by laws, right, And that's wrong. 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.040 That's fundamentally wrong for anyone to be able to punish me. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.400 Peter teel or hold me accountable for any of my 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.440 actions whatsoever. That's the worst thing that can happen. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.680 Because I'm baby, but I'm also the most powerful person 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.199 in the world, or I should be. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.040 And I should be because of how smart I am. 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.719 But also, who will stop me? Someone? Please stop me? 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.160 R I know no one stopped me. 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:49.040 Yeah, fucking Peter. So this next paragraph is I've said 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.280 this several times. This is where things get really crazy. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:52.760 But this is where things get really crazy. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.080 This is where things get really crazy. It's been really crazy. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.400 It's been pretty crazy, but it's about to be crazier. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.280 We should at least suspect that the apocalypse in our 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.440 newspaper headlines is the apocalypse of the Bible. This is 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.559 not mysticism but simple extrapolation of human nature. Wisdom has 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.960 not increased, even if information has. The one point on 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.559 which the atheist and fundamentalist degree is that violence comes 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:20.000 from God. The Christian, however, knows it comes from Man. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:24.120 I know what the fut are Wait, Peter, what what 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.920 are we saying? I think? Let me tell you what 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:31.359 I think he's arguing here. I think he's saying that atheists, 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.520 obviously fundamentalists believe that everything comes from God, so that 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:40.880 includes all violence. Atheists blame all violence on religion, right. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.000 If that makes sense when you put it that way, I. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.120 Was an angry atheist. I'm not an angry atheist anymore. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.520 I'm still more or less an atheist. I've never met 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.080 an atheist who thinks all violence is caused by religion, right, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.000 I've never met a one. That's a crazy thing to believe. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.640 There's certainly capitalism looking at you, kid, and a lot 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:02.320 of other stuff. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.880 Yeah, some dude like murdering his wife because he doesn't 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.320 want to pay alimony. It's not God. That kind of 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.000 stuff happens. Like a fucking a rapist committed rape. Isn't 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.200 like God didn't make him do that, right, Like, obviously 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.520 there's rapists to do it through the worry. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.240 Just sort of male entitlement and just you know, yeah, 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.280 there's anyway. But it's like, this is the kind of 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.320 writing where it's like you have to kind of simplify 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.320 everything into an either or. It feels like right again 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:29.680 is very eighth grade. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.840 And it's it is very like it's like how a 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.800 twelve year old debate bro Christian kid talks about a 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.800 like when I was a twelve year old right wing 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.720 debate bro. This is how I thought about atheism. Right, 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.840 But it's like a straw man that an adult wouldn't have. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.760 It's such an absurd idea. But both the atheist and 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.080 the fundamentalists believe all violence comes from God. 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:57.320 Counterpoint, No, it's like you've never talked to an atheist. 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.240 I mean, no one thinks that. I don't even think. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.360 I guess like fundamentalists would argue that everything comes from 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.280 God or whatever. So but yeah, but like even then, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.800 I think most very few of them would phrase it 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.120 that way, even of the religious fundamentalists that I know. 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.160 That's just a weird way to phrase anything. Like you're 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:16.400 well in any. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.280 Argument based on there being like a few key groups 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.880 of people who all think the same thing as each other. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:26.800 They all think never exactly. And it's this, weirdly enough, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.360 this sentence of all of the reading I've done on 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.400 Peter Teel, and I have read extensively. I've read a 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.040 lot of most of the interviews he's done over the years. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.560 I've read a lot of his own writing. This is 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.560 the thing that scares me most. This scares me more 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.160 than any of his anti democratic polemics where he's talking 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.640 about the need for a dictatorship. Because the fact that 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.320 he would think this and say this is evidence that 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.640 there is a disconnect in his mind between what he 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:57.760 thinks people believe and actual humanity, and that disconnect is 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.840 so it's very upsetting to me, Like, that's scary how 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.479 disconnected he is from reality. I would say I am 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:10.800 upset by this. Yeah. Now, from here, Peter argues that 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.199 if we're heading for war or armageddon, then it's not on. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.680 If it's reasonable to think that there might be an 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.359 apocalyptic war, right, then it's not unreasonable to worry that 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.919 an antichrist might rise to power, promising to end wars 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.000 and bring stability back. Right. If it's reasonable to say 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.080 we might have a war that ends humanity, it's not. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:30.960 It's got to be reasonable also to say that the 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.200 antichrist might promise rise to power, promising to stop that war. Right. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.560 Both of those are logical things, and let's let's let's 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.840 give him that that's a nonsense point in and of itself, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.240 but let's pretend that makes sense. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.000 Sure whatever, Peter somehow. 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.239 Doesn't draw a connection from that to like, well, an 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.040 antichrist might rise to power promising to stop World War three, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.800 to the fact that Donald Trump, who he's supported, got 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.159 elected promising to stop like literally saying, I will avoid 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.719 world War three if you vote for me, we'll stop 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.440 having a We won't have War War three, but Kamala 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.360 will lead us there or Biden will lead us there. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.040 Like that literally is directly what Trump said. I'm not 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.040 editorializing in any way. Oh, I know you know this, Peter, right, 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:17.120 Like anyway, Peter just doesn't deal with this, right, Who's 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.679 to say this thing that actually happened obviously isn't relevant. 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.680 Let's talk about how scary it would be if it 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.560 happened in an imaginary way, so you can ignore the 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.440 real way that it do just happen. Yeah, that'd be fun. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:33.280 The Bible literally says that many Christians, many believers, will 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.520 be tricked by the Antichrist when he rises to power 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.000 promising to fix a lot of this shit. And Donald I, 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.280 Peter literally believe the Antichrist will rise to power promising 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.960 to stop World War three. Donald Trump rose to power 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.679 promising to stop World War three. Obviously, none of this 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.760 is worth talking about, completely irrelevant. Instead, Peter now talks 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.560 about two different like eighty year old novels about the 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:01.600 Antichrist from like the early twentieth century, both of which 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.239 and he brings these he summarizes them. I don't think 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.280 we even need to talk about the novels because what 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.200 he's what he's pointing out is that both of these 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.560 novels about the Antichrist and most antichrist narratives all have 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.560 a plot hole, which is that they don't explain how 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:20.520 the Antichrist will actually seize power quot in late which 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.639 is like a weird thing to care of anyway, whatever, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.399 In late modernity, we finally have the answer to how 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.119 the Antichrist wi rise to power. By talking constantly of 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:32.399 armageddon or in secular terms of existential risk, he the 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:37.399 Antichrist rides the wave of apocalyptic anxiety. Oppenheimer limited, we 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.560 need new knowledge like we need a hole in the head. 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.960 Nick Bostrom has proposed preventative policing and global compute governance 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.840 and his Vulnerable World hypothesis. Elisar Jedkowski's latest book is 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.160 If Anyone builds It, Everyone Dies, And Peter is saying 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:57.040 all three of these guys are potential Antichrists or servants 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:02.359 of the Antichrist, right, because they're redding. As he gives 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:06.760 this lecture series that's entirely about his apocalyptic beliefs, he's saying, 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.280 these guys who are talking about armageddon are all clearly 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.200 agents of the Antichrist, if not the Antichrist themselves, because 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.040 no one else would talk about the Antichrist and or 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:17.160 the apocalypse so. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.480 Much except as he talks about the apocalypse. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:20.760 Except it's fine with him. 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.679 The whole thing is built on paradox is, because it's like, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.040 we have to avoid a one world government by giving 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.000 all of our power to a dictator who will protect 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.960 us from basically another dictator question Mark, You know. 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:39.160 Yeah, And it's the funniest thing to me. We'll get 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:43.400 to his other Antichrist, the fact that he's like Alizer 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.679 yed Kowski, maybe an Antichrist right, certainly an agent of 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:51.680 the Antichrist. Made we've made fun of him on this 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.280 show a lot, right, Like he's a he's an AI 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:58.640 risk dude, and obviously I don't like AI. I don't, 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.800 but but not like yed Kowski is like a rationalist 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.560 who believes in He's like a member of a cult, 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:08.600 kind of the leader of a cult based on these 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.359