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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: episode four of Jared Ailey's Guys Stay production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. And it is Thursday, March sixteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three parent teacher conference to day at my kids' school.

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Speaker 1: So I'm wearing a collared shirt with buttons on it.

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Speaker 1: But I keep fiddling with the buttons and I think

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Speaker 1: where I'm at. That's how comfortable I am being wearing

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Speaker 1: a collar. My name is Jack O'Brien aka I wish

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Speaker 1: my name was Shadow and not Jack. I love my parents,

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Speaker 1: but they are so whack. That is courtesy of Christy Amagucci,

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Speaker 1: Maine Shadows of the Night Patar, in reference to the

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Speaker 1: fact that the name a person's name shadow came up

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Speaker 1: at some point and I mentioned I thought it sounded

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Speaker 1: like a cool name and remember or to DJ named

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Speaker 1: Shadow Stevens from my childhood in the hopes that someone

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Speaker 1: would like write in and be like, you know, you

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Speaker 1: kind of look like a shadow. Maybe you should change

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Speaker 1: your name to that, you know. The Burner accounts I

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Speaker 1: made to make that comment never really caught on, So

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Speaker 1: instead we just have this AKA thank you Christy Yamagucci Ma.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined by one of the best

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Speaker 1: podcast hosts doing it anywhere, my old friend from the

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Speaker 1: Crack days, a Jeopardy champion, the host of the wonderful

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Speaker 1: podcast secretly incredibly fascinating, which makes him the sif Lord.

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Speaker 1: It is Alex Schmad, thank you and aka the bison

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Speaker 1: wise one. Okay, I'm butter Nugs on the SIF discord.

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Speaker 1: Heard yesterday's shad, but immediately it was like, here's one

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Speaker 1: that's so thank you. But and I was remissing not

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Speaker 1: saying yesterday, congratulations smiles and her majesty. I'm their wonderful base. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's really nice speer helping him. Yeah, it's wonderful having you.

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Speaker 1: I do think siff Lord is gonna stick. It's a

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Speaker 1: perfect match for your just dark heart, the dark energy

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Speaker 1: that you bring to every room that you actually have.

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Speaker 1: I've always felt a real conflict with the whole like

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Speaker 1: message and deal of the umpire and Star Wars, but

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Speaker 1: then loving brass music great anthm you know, but if

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Speaker 1: you like brass you can't pass on that one. Come on,

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Speaker 1: and as compared to what the rebels are listening to, jizz,

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Speaker 1: isn't that what they called that music? And yes, that's

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Speaker 1: capatically what they call it. Yeah, jizz. Come on, guys, Alex.

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Speaker 1: We are thrilled, fortunate, blessed to be joined in our

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Speaker 1: third seat by an Emmy nominated host who's worked at

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Speaker 1: The Onion, The Daily Show, advised the Obama White House.

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Speaker 1: He's a New York Times bestselling author, delivered what Brian

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Speaker 1: Williams called one of the greatest ted talks of all time.

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Speaker 1: Is the creator and host of one of the great

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Speaker 1: podcasts of all time, How to Citizen with Baratunde. Please

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Speaker 1: welcome the brilliant and talented baratun Day Thirsty, Hello, Jacko, Alex.

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Speaker 1: I am most surprised to find out that y'all sold

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Speaker 1: cracked together in the past. Um so yeah, good to

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Speaker 1: be here. Thank you for having me back, Jack and

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Speaker 1: and good to meet you Alex. Way to keep the

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Speaker 1: seat warm, yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's right. We demand

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Speaker 1: a pulse. No robot hosts here, no no live meat.

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Speaker 1: I'm sending in by biometrics every few minutes, just letting

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Speaker 1: people now behind the scenes. Yeah, important to let him now.

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Speaker 1: I've been really enjoying season four. I loved your interview

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Speaker 1: with Adrian Marie Brown. Thank you, Fractals and Sci Fi

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Speaker 1: How to Citizen as a podcast that makes you feel

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Speaker 1: not worn down by some of the ship that we

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Speaker 1: cover in in the news cycle, that's the goal. And

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Speaker 1: you were there at the stile. I mean you were,

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Speaker 1: You were in the meetings, you were in the room

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Speaker 1: where I was, in the damn room where it happened.

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Speaker 1: Helped it happen, Jack, That's right. Well, that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: I would have been jealous and mean and spiteful. I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad. Yes, all right, Barry Tunday, we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things

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Speaker 1: we're talking about today. Credit Swiss shares plunge. We don't

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Speaker 1: So we're just going to talk about credit Swiss, the

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Speaker 1: a lot of Switzerland news, but not the bankings mainly Swiss. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you're diversifying your Swiss coverage, which is yes, which

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Speaker 1: is that's right? Yeah, Yeah, that's what I've heard. You're

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Speaker 1: although everything's sounds from we're gonna talk Netflix is one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars. Romcom, which was just canceled,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about they're gon We're gonna that makes sense

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Speaker 1: all of that plenty more. But first, Baritoonda, what is

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Speaker 1: something from your search history? Okay, there's there's too much

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Speaker 1: penundrum which I find myself and a recent search term

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Speaker 1: how to get between the terminals at Dallas Fort Worth

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Speaker 1: International Airport. This just came out of a recent traumatic

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Speaker 1: incident where I was I barely escaped from Florida. Every

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Speaker 1: DeSantis and crew have passed. So I'm a crime in

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Speaker 1: Florida and so a fugitive and I try to get

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Speaker 1: And in this case, I was trapped in another state

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Speaker 1: with a wonky governor Dallas because American Airlines decided they're

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Speaker 1: just not in the flying business anymore. Yeah, they're in

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Speaker 1: the shuffle you around to different broken planes business for

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Speaker 1: seventeen straight hours. Yep. Yeah, the options have become limited

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Speaker 1: was hoping that your search has you said how to

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Speaker 1: knowledge seeking. Yes, that's a good point. Or the full

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Speaker 1: by based on evidence, and I'm all about evidence space choices. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I hope they're not a sponsor of your show.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like everything in Texas is just contingent,

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Speaker 1: their own communities of people, travelers who then become workers

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Speaker 1: for What is something that you think is underrated? I

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Speaker 1: think the movie The Woman King is rated. I I

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Speaker 1: just loved it way more than I expected. I saw

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Speaker 1: the poster and I was just confused. I had no

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Speaker 1: idea what it was about. I hadn't read anything about it,

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Speaker 1: hadn't heard anything about it. And I saw a little

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Speaker 1: blurb and went to see it with my wife and

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Speaker 1: we were both rocked by this story. And so I

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Speaker 1: think every actor in that, but you know, especially the

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Speaker 1: women actors and the youngest one and Viola Davis, they

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Speaker 1: all just crushed. And there's this beautiful symbolic representation of

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Speaker 1: like civil war within you know, an African community, within

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Speaker 1: a Black community. I love the honesty of the whole,

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Speaker 1: like the way they treated the history of enslavement, you know,

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Speaker 1: to the Americas and the participation of African nations and

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Speaker 1: selling you know, some of their own people or as

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Speaker 1: they saw them, their enemies people, you know, into bondage.

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Speaker 1: That's that's like a third rail that a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks don't talk about women warriors, you know, we don't

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Speaker 1: hear that story. It's it was like a real life Wakonda. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I love Black Panther and I love Wakanda, and

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Speaker 1: a fiction is very powerful. But to have like a

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Speaker 1: factual ish, you know, representation of a kingdom that truly existed,

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Speaker 1: I found to be really really powerful as well. So

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Speaker 1: love that movie. Was sad that the campaign of the

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Speaker 1: two Leslie thing I seem to have bumped it from

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Speaker 1: the slot of positive denominations, and so I wanted to

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Speaker 1: give some attention to that. It really felt like a

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Speaker 1: shoeing for like a bunch of Oscar attention, let alone

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Speaker 1: like just none, which was yeah, frustrated, underrated. People should

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Speaker 1: check out The Woman King. Yeah, Gina Prince Biswood who

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Speaker 1: made Loving Basketball The Old Guard, which we covered on

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Speaker 1: this that I really like The Old Guard by the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was really fun. It also like hit right when

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Speaker 1: we were getting into the pandemic and like shut down

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Speaker 1: and so we were like, we're just talking about things

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Speaker 1: that are streaming on the data side, guys right now.

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Speaker 1: And that was a really fun one. But yeah, she

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Speaker 1: made The Woman King. It's really really cool. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate this tip. I'm not in the habit of being

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Speaker 1: in theaters again yet. I just haven't gotten going out

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Speaker 1: of and so other than everything everywhere all at once,

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Speaker 1: which we stream, I've just missed all the new movies lately.

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Speaker 1: So that's good enough. Yeah, well, you can still see

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Speaker 1: Top Gun Maverick for the next three years. I think

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Speaker 1: we're there this contract with the exhibitors, and yeah, you'll

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Speaker 1: be alone in the theater by that point. But it's

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Speaker 1: some things are beautiful on the big screen. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: don't have to rent the theater anymore. Top Guns saved

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Speaker 1: movie theaters at gunpoint. That's very Americans. All Right, it's

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Speaker 1: time for our famous segment, stock corner, Jack's stock corner,

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Speaker 1: where I talk about all the happenings. There's the famous

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Speaker 1: intro sound bit. All right. So, Credit Sweez shares plunged

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Speaker 1: yesterday by roughly twenty five percent, which caused other bank

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Speaker 1: stocks to fall. This was sparked in part by the

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Speaker 1: fact that their largest shareholder, Saudi National Bank, publicly stated

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't beef up its investment, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are framing it as a piece with the recent

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Speaker 1: bank failure in the US, and there's some debate, but

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Speaker 1: people think that they've actually been that this is something

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Speaker 1: that's been ongoing. Maybe there is, like just in the

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Speaker 1: sense that these are all humans responding to stimulus and

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Speaker 1: one bank failed and they're like, you know, there's panic

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Speaker 1: in the air. Maybe it's related in that way. But

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Speaker 1: Credit Sueee has been struggling for years following a steady

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Speaker 1: stream of customers pulling their money, which has allegedly slowed

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Speaker 1: but not stopped according to even their CEO. And like

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Speaker 1: the reasons why customers keep pulling money is that they

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Speaker 1: are constantly embroiled in scandals, which have included admitting to

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Speaker 1: defrauding investors as well as being accused of helping to

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Speaker 1: launder money on behalf of the Bulgarian mafia, of all

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Speaker 1: the mafias like that. I mean, look, I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to you know, I'm not even gonna say it because

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be in the wrong side of anyone.

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Speaker 1: I respect bull mafias equally, but just ye, just the

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Speaker 1: word the word having Bulgarian mafia throw on top. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then also serving clients involved in drug trafficking and torture.

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Speaker 1: So did they take a hippocritic banking oath where they

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Speaker 1: like agree to serve anyone like criminals, mafio, so it's

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Speaker 1: like we bank with anybody. It's a yeah, the commitment.

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Speaker 1: This also just more countries than I expected, Like why

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Speaker 1: why is the Swiss credit sweet bank mainly run by

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Speaker 1: a Saudi bank and then also funding the Bulgarian mafia,

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Speaker 1: Like like this is a real set of pieces of

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Speaker 1: string across a map with pushpins that I did not expect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is, It's very true, Alex. Yeah, it's almost like

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Speaker 1: some kind of global conspiracy. But I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: guess so as we're seeing things like this, and again,

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Speaker 1: it just feels like this weather system if you like,

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Speaker 1: anytime I see like one of the stock channels, the

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Speaker 1: finance channels, it really feels like it's just one big,

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Speaker 1: like wet weather channel where they're just like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: just responding to stimulant. There's like the predictions are you know,

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Speaker 1: all over the place, and like, I guess, I'm just wondering,

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Speaker 1: do you see the ideas that you cover and you know,

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Speaker 1: you guys talked in the Adrian Marie Brown interview about

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Speaker 1: fractals and like this idea of like small changes that

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Speaker 1: can like kind of move up and like become kind

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Speaker 1: of replicate themselves over large swaths of Like people like,

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Speaker 1: are you seeing pick up for any of these progressive

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Speaker 1: ideas that aren't just purely driven by profit like the

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Speaker 1: outside outside of this system, because it does feel like

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Speaker 1: there's going to be an opportunity as the these things

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Speaker 1: fail more and more in the coming years. Like it

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Speaker 1: feels like the economy is not in a great place

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Speaker 1: for long term and so no, we we're really um

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Speaker 1: as as the finance people would say, we're highly levered, right,

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Speaker 1: we are in there. We have a lot of debt,

532
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Speaker 1: and our economy and the US in particular the West

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00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: in general powered by consumption. So which is you know,

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Speaker 1: a consumptive addiction, Like we have to keep consumers confidence

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Speaker 1: up in consumer spending up. Otherwise the whole game kind

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Speaker 1: of falls apart, and it's a confidence game. You know,

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Speaker 1: if we our money is not all in the bank, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to stir up shit. That's just like

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Speaker 1: a mathematical fact. We never all wanted out at the

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Speaker 1: same time. So we can perpetuate stability based on that

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Speaker 1: trust and faith in the full credit you know of

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Speaker 1: of the governments that backed these banks, but that that

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Speaker 1: trust is as eroted. So I am seeing evidence of

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Speaker 1: other systems of trust. Let me talk to you about

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Speaker 1: cryptocurrency and it's a great opportunity. And so yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: got another sponsor lost. Oh boy, I tell you what. No,

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Speaker 1: I you know the donut economics thing that I mentioned

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Speaker 1: earlier with Kate Rayworth. That's not just like an academic

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Speaker 1: out there giving Ted talks about possible ideas. There are cities,

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Speaker 1: you know, Barcelona, Amsterdam, cities in the US as well,

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Speaker 1: who have started to adopt a view of economics that

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Speaker 1: accounts for some of these limits a lower limit and

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Speaker 1: an upper limit, and tries to set up new measurements.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have a measurement of inflation, we have

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Speaker 1: a measurement of gross domestic product. We have a really

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Speaker 1: questionable measurement of employment and unemployment, and those are kind

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Speaker 1: of like the levers that we use. And then we

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Speaker 1: have a big break and gas pedal on interest rates.

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Speaker 1: FED imposes and the president party kind of doesn't matter,

560
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: like the Fed's going to do their thing. And there's

561
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot more ways we could calibrate our relationship

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Speaker 1: with money and with value, and I even I joke

563
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: a little bit about crypto. But we had an episode

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Speaker 1: with this web three community friends with benefits. The mayor

565
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Speaker 1: of that group just talking about how they've set up

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Speaker 1: the community not to necessarily like buy and trade the

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Speaker 1: coins and like get rich off of membership, which is

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Speaker 1: speculation and kind of ponzi ish. Really thinking about a

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Speaker 1: membership club and like how you value members how you

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Speaker 1: recognize that value, how you would encourage a member to

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Speaker 1: bring the cool stuff they want to build to the group.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like I have an idea, I want

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Speaker 1: to do it. I'm gonna ue all by myself because

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Speaker 1: I don't wan anybody else to get paid off of it.

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Speaker 1: Like there's one way to approach it. Or I could

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Speaker 1: bring it to the crew, my family. Maybe it's been

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Speaker 1: a little club and get help and then we share

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00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: in that it's still versions of capitalism them. I'm not

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Speaker 1: promoting a communist way of thinking, though it would be

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Speaker 1: interpreted that way by people who fear losing control over

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Speaker 1: the current system. But there's other ways to value our

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Speaker 1: relationships and to credit people for what they offer and

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Speaker 1: our quote unquote economy now doesn't do that very well.

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Speaker 1: We had a lot of uncompensated labor by by women

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Speaker 1: and by moms and my parents in general. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Jackie, is you should get paid

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Speaker 1: for this parent teacher meeting that you're going today. Absolutely,

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00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 1: that's yeah. I mean I told you, I do the work.

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Speaker 1: I bring my own spreadsheet to show them. You have

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Speaker 1: a shirt with a collar, you told us, and it's

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Speaker 1: not normal for you. So you probably bought a shirt.

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Speaker 1: You know how hard it is for me to keep

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Speaker 1: this shirt on it. I have so many T shirts

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Speaker 1: that are more comfortable than this button. So your cause

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00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: playing responsible, Dad's right and exactly. So, yeah, there's there's

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Speaker 1: other ways of of us relating to to the money thing,

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Speaker 1: to the economy thing. We had a whole season of

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Speaker 1: our podcast on a season two was all about, you

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Speaker 1: know how the citizen through the economy. It's like hard

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Speaker 1: to show up in citizen when you can't pay to bills,

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Speaker 1: and so what are some other ways we can relate

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Speaker 1: to that that don't involve like violent revolution. Turns out

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of space between violent revolution and what

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Speaker 1: we're living through right now. A lot of peaceful possibilities. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's really interesting. And I'm also thinking about all the

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Speaker 1: different institutions and models you bring up on how it

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Speaker 1: seems like all of them have less support than banks.

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Speaker 1: Like the past week or so has really taught me

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Speaker 1: that the government is a first responder if a bank

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Speaker 1: needs something like they are on the ball, they're sliding

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Speaker 1: down the pole of the fire station. They are ready

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Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, that's a great observation, a sad truth,

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Speaker 1: you know behind it there, you know the way we

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Speaker 1: deal with poverty. There's there's a lot of people struggling,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of folks are made to feel like

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Speaker 1: it's their fault. Yes, it's like, oh, you don't have

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Speaker 1: enough to feed your kids, you're a bad mom or

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Speaker 1: a bad parent, or maybe you're just living in a

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Speaker 1: bad economic situation. Maybe there's no opportunities where you are.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the hoops that the government puts you through that

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Speaker 1: they didn't put you know, the depositors of Silicon Valley

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Speaker 1: Bank through, could be realigned. It's very expensive to be

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Speaker 1: poor in this country. The amount of paperwork involved in it.

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Speaker 1: You'd need a full time executive assistant just to be

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Speaker 1: able to afford being poor. You know, to get all

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Speaker 1: the benefits you're allegedly due and and so just giving

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Speaker 1: people money in terms of you know, guaranteed income at

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00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: certain levels is something that works. We featured, you know,

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Speaker 1: folks who have those kind of programs running as well

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Speaker 1: out of Oakland and out of the southeast of the US. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The fact that the US government basically fired the entire

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Speaker 1: bureaucracy that is like was built to help you with

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Speaker 1: the stuff, like with all the paperwork, with like doing

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Speaker 1: your taxes as way hard you're here than anywhere else,

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Speaker 1: and just it's like automatic applying. Yeah. Yeah, they said,

636
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: here's what happens. You get paid, and whoever pays you

637
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: has to tell the government. And at the end of

638
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: the year, the government asks you how much did you

639
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: get paid? And you're like, but you already, you're already,

640
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: you're you're literally it's in the cloud, bro, Like it's

641
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: your cloud, like you know, you tell me. And then

642
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: we've created a whole industry of dodging and fudging and

643
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: deducting and accounting for just for most people. It's not required,

644
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be required, and it's making some people very wealthy. Yeah,

645
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: but it's making most of us, you know, poorer in

646
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: experience and in hard money. Yeah, h R and Block

647
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: are making a killing the rest of us as they

648
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: lobbied against simplification. Yeah, of course, just like the people

649
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: who ran Silicon Valley Bank lobbied against rules that might

650
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: have prevented you know, them from taking these risky positions,

651
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: which you know, stap the confidence in their holdings we keep.

652
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: It's like we're getting I'm gonna I'm gonna expand this positively,

653
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Jack Alex. We are being given repeat opportunities to learn

654
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: a certain lesson. Yeah, isn't that I've learned the hell

655
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: out of that lesson. I am on board. I need

656
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: some other people to learn that lesson. And I just

657
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: I do feel like as like you know, just reading

658
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: like the tea leaves of the zeitgeist. Like you know,

659
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: you guys talked about on your podcast that like we

660
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: are no longer at the place where we're waiting to

661
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: see the effects of climate change. We are now in

662
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: a world where you are either privileged enough to not

663
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: be like dealing with the effects of climate change every day,

664
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: or you are feeling them, and you're like there there

665
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: is a tension there, there's a tension between like the

666
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: conversations that we're having and the existing order of people

667
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: who are just chasing profit, like the future be damned,

668
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: and like I'm also seeing you know, even though we

669
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: were never huge fans of Elon Musk, like his kind

670
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 1: of embracing of like these like kind of right wing

671
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: memes and talking points, Like I'm wondering if there's going

672
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: to be more of a like they're going to build

673
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: out a pseudo intellectual like lattice work that like I

674
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: think they already have and I think it's just like

675
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: getting more and more popular, this like right word shift

676
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: of like the people who are in control. Do you

677
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: do you like see all that stuff just being connected

678
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: in some ways, Yeah, there is a connection. And the

679
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: wealthy and white inheritor of South Africa is a perfect

680
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: avacar for this moment. Is he really? Is he really?

681
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: Is that the that infrastructure ideological It shows up in

682
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: a place like Hilldale College, which is very well funded

683
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: and promoting from an academic lens, anti critical race theory,

684
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: anti wokeness. So I guess pro sleepness right for being

685
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah we are stop woke, stay asleep, Okay, okay, Governor,

686
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: the best American is asleep American. And you know, there's

687
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: a lot of incentive and benefit in the short term

688
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: for folks to try to preserve and protect something that

689
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: only accrues value to a few. Yeah, and if you

690
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: tell the story the right way, the real feeling of

691
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: loss that a lot of us feel, not just liberals

692
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: like concerns, all kinds of people are experiencing a sense

693
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: of dramatic change, dispossession and loss. The story you tell

694
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: to explain it is how most people believe it happened, right,

695
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: And so there's an infrastructure of storytelling to say it's

696
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: a Muslim Mexican from China who is the reason that

697
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: your gas prices are really high right now, the reason

698
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: that you can't afford milk, the reason that things just

699
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: don't feel the way they used to, the reason there's

700
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: more different folks in your neighborhood now, the reason there's

701
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: no Jesus. And this, like the instability with feeling, has

702
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: other explanations, ones I think are much more sound, and

703
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: ones that give us an opportunity to try to find

704
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: stability in all this change. But folks like Elon, you know,

705
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: they are addicted to attention, and that gets attention right now,

706
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: that counter narrative, that transgressive tone and vibe. It's very

707
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: very wealthy people complaining that they don't have a voice. Yeah,

708
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: the guy who social media network, it's like I can't

709
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: be heard. Yeah no, But and he is, you know,

710
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: to someone who is inherited advantage and privilege, anything smacking

711
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: of equality feels like oppression, right, And so this guy,

712
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: he really is an extraordinary avatar for that that psychology,

713
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: that frame of mind which says, I rich, the EO

714
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: of four companies need a fifth or three companies need

715
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: a fourth, And I'm going to buy a vocal platform.

716
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: And even when I sit at top that if everybody

717
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: doesn't see all of my tweets, I'm going to literally

718
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: re engineer it. People are going to get fired, yes,

719
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: and the people who remain are going to stay up

720
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: all night and hack together a solution so that I

721
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: maintain my sense of security and value. Now that the

722
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: real twis is like I identify with that. I don't

723
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: like feeling insecure or less valuable. I just don't have

724
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: the means to impose that in the world, you know,

725
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: in the way that Elon does. And I think it'd

726
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: be a really destructive world if we all chose to

727
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: use our power that way. So his use of power

728
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: like this really is sad. It actually just deepens the

729
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: truth of his insecurity. Like you're so fragile that you

730
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: had to spend billions of dollars, some of your own,

731
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: a lot of other people you had to displace a

732
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: bunch of work or some of whom have medical conditions

733
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: and healthcare needs and visa requirements. Right, you have to

734
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 1: destroy a ton of economic value because you're so weak

735
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: feeling man, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's actually a really sad

736
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: existence and is nothing to be emulated. There's nothing exciting

737
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: or proud about that. That's actually someone who's deeply hurt, right, Yeah,

738
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: so let's give him a hug, you know it's gonna

739
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: be Elon a big hug, and then take his money

740
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: and give it to poor people. Yeah, hug and reach

741
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: into a pocket. Just yes, that's easy, two steps. No,

742
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: I that is so dead on. Like what when we

743
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: were talking about times when news is hard or is

744
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: unpleasant to consume, Like, I feel like a lot of

745
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: news in the past few years has been about like

746
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: deeply sad, unwarped dudes like Elon musk or like, like

747
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: there's no point detailing Donald Trump's ways where he is

748
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: that way, but like he used to call places with

749
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: rumors about what a great guy he is under a

750
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: fake name, you know. I mean, like, that's just it's

751
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: just sad. Even if you agree with everything he's into,

752
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: that is also a bummer about him. That's not good. No,

753
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: I think there is. There are wounded little boys running

754
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: around in man suits, yeah, inflicting their wounds on the world,

755
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: and that that's infuriating And there's a part of me

756
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: that just wants to shame people for that. It's like,

757
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: how dare you? You should know better? Like you have

758
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: resources you can you can buy better help, you know,

759
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: instead of buying Twitter, buy the better health therapy platform

760
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: and work on your ship, you know what I mean. God,

761
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: But um, that's not very compassionate and I don't think

762
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: that actually helps. And I think you know, you've brought

763
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: up Adrian and Rebrown a few times. Jack, I'll appreciate

764
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: that this conversation about fractals that we had wasn't just

765
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: some esoteric chat about you know, artistic patterns in the world,

766
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: but there's there's some mathematical realities that like very small

767
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: level patterns repeat at very large scales, and we can

768
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: see it in this kind of AI looking art, but

769
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: we can also see it in biological structure, and I

770
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: think in behavior. You know, it starts at home. Like

771
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: Trump came from a house, he came from a neighborhood,

772
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: he came from a school. He came from TV shows

773
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: where they were producers and executives who all modeled or

774
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: encouraged or at a minimum allowed this behavior such that

775
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: we all get to experience it at the large scale, right,

776
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: And so the reverse has to be true too, if

777
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: we concede more compassion. You know, these these dudes that

778
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: shoot up these schools and theaters and everything, a lot

779
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: of them are hurting. I heard one interview with this kid,

780
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: and he's not It was a quote he's like he

781
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: was in such depressive pain, and he was like, I

782
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: guess I have to be a school shooter, right right,

783
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: Like it was like a job description that he was

784
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: destined to because of his pained emotional state. And so

785
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: like that's when outcome our guests. I have to be

786
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: mean like Donald Trump. I guess I have to be

787
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: callous like Elon Musk because that's what you do with

788
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: your pain, because we're not educating, you know, ourselves on

789
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: other ways to handle it. So it's it's real ugly

790
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: and nasty, and I want to be super I am

791
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: really frustrated at it, but I'm also like I've felt

792
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: those feelings myself too. Yeah, And I'd be lying if

793
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: I said that, like I'm that different from Elon Muskin.

794
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: We're still both human beings. Yeah. Again, I just don't

795
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: have the wherewithal the resources to act out the way

796
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: he does. And and for many of us, we would

797
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: be met with a different response if we did. Yeah,

798
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: like somebody would smack me down well before I made

799
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: it to the Elon level of the game. Oh no,

800
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: you have different rules. You have different rules. You can't

801
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah. We talked like all the way back

802
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: on the Cracked podcasts about when Trump was just running

803
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: for president. We were talking about how it seemed like

804
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: this narcissistic personality disorder was the new like cheap code

805
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: for American fame and capitalism. And I think we've seen

806
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: that like that. That's really where the fractals thing makes

807
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: sense to me, is that at a very personal level,

808
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: like you said, thinking about what all the things that

809
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: happened in his life to shape him into that person,

810
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: but then that just getting exploded and turning our entire

811
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: civilization like that, how like the nervous system of our

812
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: nation into like a replica of what what he values

813
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: and what is broken inside of him. But you know,

814
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: we we've definitely seen in other times, like you were

815
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: saying earlier, like we've seen in other time periods the

816
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: opposite that, like people who have great values and great

817
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: courage can then lead entire movements that have very small

818
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: and simple beginnings, so and and and without. You know,

819
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't require celebrity or like the scale of millions

820
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: right for us to ex experience that. We can do

821
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: it now, yeah, right, like we can show up. You know,

822
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: there's I had moments in my painful literally painful interaction

823
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: with this airline, with this airport of you know, I

824
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: feel on my inner elon like I didn't pay for this, right,

825
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: this is I don't deserve to be treated like this is.

826
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: This is aft Uba and I deserve and me me

827
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: and and I felt that a lot. And that's not

828
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: like every moment I'm all like zen about it. But

829
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: there are times when I could also look to my

830
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: fellow passengers and we just had to laugh. Yeah, and

831
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: being I was exhausted with the fury, and there was

832
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: another emotion we could tap into and feeling that connection,

833
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: like we're sharing this moment together and seeing people help

834
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: each other, and you know, people like I look like

835
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: I'm very able bodied, and folks had to be paying

836
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: attention to know that I was struggling, and it almost

837
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: brought me to tears to have like someone much older

838
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: than me help me with my and that's just like, man,

839
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: I'm not used to asking for help. Yeah, it makes

840
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: me feel a certain type of dependency or weakness. And

841
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: then but we feel stronger together when we acknowledge that.

842
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: And so like it was a gift to that dude

843
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: to let him help me, And that was his way

844
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: of participating in this moment in a way that maybe

845
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: channeled his rage into something more productive, which is like

846
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: mutual aid instead. So they're you know, Gandhi's great. You

847
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like Obama on a good day, right,

848
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, Michelle better, But like there's somebody at your kids' school, Jack, Right,

849
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: there's somebody who lives next to you, Alex, Like there's

850
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: somebody maybe in each of our homes who you know,

851
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: is already giving us an opportunity or showing us, you know,

852
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: how to model that energy that we do want to

853
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: see replicated at the larger scale. And if we all

854
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: show up that way, we'll produce, you know, something that's

855
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: the inverse of a of a musk or a trump. Yeah, well,

856
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: so let's let's go. Y's right. And and also with

857
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: all the men we've been talking about, Like our our

858
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: friend Jason Purgeon was posting the other day about the

859
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: idea that men, especially American men, are just kind of

860
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: taught that asking for help in any way makes you

861
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: a burden on other people and is really discuriated, and

862
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: so like it seems to develop a lot of these

863
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: negative figures being male, and also then as the rest

864
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: of us, if we're male, I think it's good to

865
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: be cognizant of that extra barrier we might be carrying

866
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: to doing this kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, we can

867
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: put some of that burden down. It's very uh, it's

868
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: very weak to be unwilling to acknowledge moments of weakness. Yeah, yeah,

869
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: it turns out it's it's yeah, actually turns on itself.

870
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: And so yeah, there's been many men. I'm thinking about

871
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: Creed right now, which I haven't seen yet, but John

872
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: at the Major's Michael B. Jordan, all these you know,

873
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: photos and posters of them embracing have flowers and stuff

874
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: and still being jacked. Right, Like, masculinity is much more

875
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: holistic than um. Then we've been miseducated into believing, and

876
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: especially you know, as a black dude, like we've been

877
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: heaped upon with a lot of ideas of what our

878
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: masculinity and brutality is supposed to be aka the same thing, right,

879
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: But there's every every flavor of man is up against

880
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: some image that isn't realistic. It's it's this hyper real

881
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: and stereotypical and damaging, whether it's like homosexual, heterosexual, whether

882
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: it's softness versus hardness, whether it's yeah, it's intellectual pursuit

883
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: versus physical pursuit, Like manhood is all that. Yeah, we

884
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: just started a movement, yak at us. Manhood is all that.

885
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean. All right, thank you guys both for for

886
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: sharing all that. Let's take a quick break and we'll

887
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: be back to talk about Netflix real quick. We'll be

888
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: right back and we're back I don't know if you

889
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: guys can hear the parent teacher conference means the kids

890
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: are home and they are in the back expressing, expressing themselves.

891
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: I think it might, Um, Alex, I don't hear anything,

892
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: do you. I don't hear anything, though, Yeah, this might.

893
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: This is the moment Jack just admitted that my kids

894
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: aren't real. It's no, it's okay, like you hear them

895
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: in your head and that's cool. He might, he might

896
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: need a little rest, that's right. There's nothing weak about

897
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: admitting that. Jack, Very manly of you. Yeah, so real quick.

898
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: Because we had talked about the fact that there was

899
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: a Netflix one hundred and fifty million dollar rom com

900
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: that was being ordered directed by romantic comedy titan Nancy Myers,

901
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: who directed movies like It's Complicated, The Holiday, The Father

902
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: of the Bride, and the budget just didn't really make

903
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: sense to me, just because I'd never heard of a

904
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: roncom being at that budget. Right, it's not like they

905
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: need a lot of like cgi and cranes. Yeah, you know,

906
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: going to Budapest, Like, it's not mission impossible. So our

907
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: writer J. M McNabb went and did some research on

908
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: this because, like, whoa whoa can I just pause you

909
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: right there, Jack, You have someone on staff who goes

910
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: in researches that does before we talk about believe it. Okay,

911
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: that is way too responsible. He does a great job

912
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: fascinating any Canadians, so he's not swept up in all

913
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: this bullshit. You know, he's got a great perspective on everything.

914
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: The listeners will be hearing from him in the trending

915
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: episode I think later today or nice. I do like

916
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: imagining Canadian information comes from some pristine spring in the north,

917
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: like some beautiful well. I always thought it was an

918
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: old Canadian information. I always thought it was funny. Canadians

919
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: had like some of the funniest people when it came

920
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: to making observations or you know, creating characters based around

921
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: like things that we thought of as stereotypically like American

922
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: pop culture, and like I think there is like having

923
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: that remove and just being like, well this is absurd

924
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: from from a very young age is probably probably helpful.

925
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: But anyways, he pointed out that you know that while

926
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: the Romcom Ticket to Paradise with George Clooney and Julia

927
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: Roberts cost sixty million dollars, so that's less than half

928
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: of what Netflix was even offered huge names, right. So,

929
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: but the thing that's happening here is in a theatrical movie,

930
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: they can give these movie stars like points on like

931
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: a portion of the profit. So that keeps the budget

932
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: the back end points on the back end maybe, And

933
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: so that's how these budgets stay low, whereas with Netflix

934
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: they do not do that. And so everybody has to

935
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: be paid up front. And that's why these Netflix budgets

936
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: are like so wild, like yeah, so that you have

937
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: to get paid up front all the money you might

938
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: ever make for the life of the film exactly. So

939
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: then what I would love to see from your fancy

940
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: Canadian is, you know, four to sixty million dollars you know,

941
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: upfront fee in the traditional model, Like what's that back

942
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: end at up too? Sure? And for the for the

943
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: kind of like the total payout associated with the lifetime budget,

944
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: if you will. Yeah, and Netflix, the lifetime budget happens

945
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: in a moment in a traditional film, it happens over

946
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: let's say fifteen years maybe, So what's the expected value

947
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: of a fifteen years And let's see if if your

948
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: neighbor to the north can handle I would guess It's

949
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: probably like in the case of Ticket to Paradise, they

950
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: probably were getting each like probably thirty million. On top

951
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: of like, I think that budget probably would have been

952
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: more like, if it was being made for Netflix, would

953
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: have been more like one hundred and one hundred million.

954
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: If only we had a way to know these things, right, Yeah, well, well,

955
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean I'm using the Netflix's proposed budget for this

956
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: Nancy Myers film was one hundred and thirty million, and

957
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: she was like, I need it to be one hundred

958
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: and fifty million, and they were like deals off, So

959
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: they had that number was apparently coming from somewhere on

960
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: their end. Do you think that that Nancy Myers and

961
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: our team regret holding that line. I don't know that.

962
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: Did you think like Netflix might have counted You think, oh,

963
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: they'll counter yeah, and they're like and there's like, no,

964
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: we're good. We actually told you one thirty you meant

965
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: it anyways, good luck at h Yeah. But so a

966
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: lot of people were making wonder if if like this

967
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: story is almost a trailer for this future movie whenever,

968
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like this is the origin

969
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: story of this thing like this, it was like the

970
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: movie too amazing for Netflix, and like, now I care

971
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: about I just wanted they should call it watch what

972
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: we did with the extra twenty really good? That's right?

973
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean I would watch that. I'd be like, I'm

974
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: so curious, like how how this how this math sound?

975
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: As a as a VC might say, Yeah, absolutely, it's

976
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: it's the same movie, but iron Man walks through one

977
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: time just really quickly, right, yeah, And they have insane

978
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: music scory, you know, it's like they licensed everything. One

979
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: of the dates takes place on the Helly Carrier from

980
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: the Avengers because Scarlett Johansson was supposed to be in it,

981
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: So it only makes sense, all right, Well, baritone day,

982
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: such a pleasure having you on the Daily's I used

983
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: as always, where can people find you? Follow you, hear

984
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: you all that good stuff? They can find me on

985
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: the internet wherever are found? I am, I am all

986
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: of them. I've made sure. But you know the show

987
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: is how to Citizen. That's the most current accessible thing,

988
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: how to Citizen dot com. And they're obviously listening to

989
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: a great podcast right now. So just flip that dial,

990
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: like the Jen Alpas would say, and tune into the

991
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: how to Citizen jam on that and I write at Puck.

992
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: We didn't talk anything about that, but I do a

993
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: lot of long form writing over there, and I'm really

994
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: having fun exploring topics of artificial intelligence plus racism, which

995
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: sometimes they're in the same article. Who yeah. Otherwise, just

996
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, smile, be grateful for things, and take it

997
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: easy on yourself. The world is hard enough. Yeah, yeah.

998
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media that has been allowing

999
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: you to take it easy on yourself? All right? So

1000
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: ain't no Mountain high enough? As performed by Marvin Gay

1001
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: and Tammy Terrell. This song almost came out of a

1002
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: divine inspiration moment. All roads lead back to Dallas Fort

1003
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: Worth in an anial airport. Okay, So I'm like storming

1004
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: through this airport in pain and anger for the last

1005
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: plane change, and I click my little air pod because

1006
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm fancy to resume listening to a podcast about the

1007
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: history of racism masquerading as concerned for abortion by the

1008
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: evangelical base in this country. Really light stuff, perfect for

1009
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: the mood I was in there, you go, and and

1010
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: my phone was like, you don't need to hear that,

1011
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: you need to hear this, And for I don't know

1012
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: why this happened, but this song just started playing in

1013
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: stereo on my head, and it was like, ain't no

1014
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: no mountain high enough, aint no Violet know enough to

1015
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: keep me from you? And it was just it was great.

1016
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: It was a real mood. Booster reminded me that you know,

1017
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: whatever experience we're having, we can shift, you know, the

1018
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: experience of it, even a very negative one. And I

1019
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: found myself smiling, and I sent my wife the song.

1020
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going through all this for you,

1021
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: but I said I love you, know, and she took

1022
01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: it with love. Yeah, gotten, if it weren't for you,

1023
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be going through. I didn't say that if

1024
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: nothing can keep me from you, even this black hole

1025
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: of an airport and this joke of an airline. So

1026
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: I recommend that there's a great YouTube video of the

1027
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: two of them actually singing it. But you can find

1028
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: it on your streamer of choice, whatever you already pay

1029
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: for have free access to, and enjoy yourself. There you go,

1030
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: Alex Schmidt, what a pleasure of having you as co

1031
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: host for these last couple of days. Where can people

1032
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Yeah, it's

1033
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: been such a joy being here and uh and yeah,

1034
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: I Make Secretly incredibly fascinating the podcast with my cost

1035
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: Katie Golden of Creature, Feature Fame and other things. Really

1036
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: love making that. If you search secretly in your podcast app,

1037
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: you'll find it. And I don't think I said yesterday.

1038
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: I've been writing a monthly column for one nine hundred

1039
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: hotdog dot com, which is a wonderful comedy website if

1040
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: you miss how comedy websites used to be. It's a

1041
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: really good one. And it has the wackiest name of

1042
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: come Across. Yeah. That that's great. I'm definitely checking that out.

1043
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: That's yeah, you reminding me of Internet Comedy of Your

1044
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: just with that title, so yeah, fantastic. Yeah, it's from

1045
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: some of the great comedy writers of Internet of Your

1046
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Speaker 1: So that's awesome. Yeah. Oh and media tip, I've really

1047
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: been enjoying Gilmore. Girls had never seen it. It's great.

1048
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: It's streaming on Netflix under the US. Nice. All right,

1049
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: you can find yeah Jack, where can we find you?

1050
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean obviously little old me. Yeah, after you can

1051
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien here twice

1052
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: a day over on Miles and Jack Got Matt Boosties

1053
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: our weekly NBA podcast, And yeah, I've been enjoying secretly

1054
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: incredibly fascinating and how to citizen look at this panderer.

1055
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: It's great. Look man, I have a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: here with a lot of podcasts, but it's food for

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Speaker 1: the soul. Both of them highly it's great. Go check

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Speaker 1: them out. You can find us on Twitter at daily

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Speaker 1: zeke We're at the Daily Zekeeist on Instagram. We have

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Speaker 1: a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily zekeeist dot

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Speaker 1: we link off to the information that we talked about

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we

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Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Super producer Justin is there a

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Speaker 1: song that you think people might enjoy on this Thursday morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: considering our discussion of capitalism and uncompensate to labor and

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Speaker 1: the fucked up tax system running rampant, I thought of

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Speaker 1: this song. It has a Peter Gabriel Pink Floyd eighties

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Speaker 1: white guy based type of vibe. It sounds like the

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Speaker 1: sounds like the opening of a modern day Miami Vice

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Speaker 1: and it repeats the line money ain't no good to

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Speaker 1: me and it's it's great. So you can check the

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Speaker 1: song out it's called Money by Leisure and you can

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Speaker 1: find that song in the footnotes foot notes. The Daily

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Speaker 1: Zeke is a production by Heart Radio. For more podcast

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Speaker 1: from my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going

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Speaker 1: to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon

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Speaker 1: to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk y' all,

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