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Speaker 1: They say that Shane or Ridhaller, age sixteen, could be

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Speaker 1: First of all, here's my big question. What is open lunch?

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the location, the town, the city, the area, rural, suburban, urban?

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Speaker 1: Following leads on the jeep Cherokee that picked up Shane

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Speaker 1: six years Seattle PD author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary

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Speaker 1: Jean Grant, Why is it that's so often we find

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Speaker 1: the body's hidden in the basement. It's almost a cliche,

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Speaker 1: it is, But you know that that goes to the

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Speaker 1: immaturity of this kid, or the not picking straight or

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Speaker 1: knowing what to do. He had this body stuck. He

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Speaker 1: had no idea what to do with it, so he

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Speaker 1: just took it down to his basement and figured, probably

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Speaker 1: I'll deal with it later or something, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be found because again it's going to

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Speaker 1: start stinking pretty soon, and or his mother has access

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Speaker 1: to the basement. So he's very unsophisticated a criminal in

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Speaker 1: this case. Well, also, I think it's significant that she's

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Speaker 1: found in a basement bedroom, So I'm betting you anything.

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Speaker 1: He brings her home, she does not suspect a thing.

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Speaker 1: They go down stairs, he was to show her the house.

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Speaker 1: They get an abasement he makes advances, she fights back,

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Speaker 1: and she ends up shot dead. Crime Stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace guys at sixteen year old little girl Shana Ritthhall

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Speaker 1: are dead joining me crime online dot com inist to

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Speaker 1: get a reporter Sierra. This is, as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: the first time the two had ever met in person. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, isn't that pretty crazy? They had been talking

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Speaker 1: for several weeks online and this was the first time

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Speaker 1: that they met when they met up at that coffee

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Speaker 1: shop and then he took her back to his home

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Speaker 1: in South Dakota, so they truly hadn't even known each

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Speaker 1: other that long. They'd actually been talking longer like online,

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Speaker 1: than they had seen each other in real life. The

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Speaker 1: likelihood that she's going to be shot dead on a

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Speaker 1: first date, it just sounds so unpredictable to Mark Eyeglash.

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Speaker 1: You know, very often we hear of someone being stalked,

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Speaker 1: they've had a relationship, the girl breaks up. Here, this

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Speaker 1: is the first time they ever even met. Mark, you

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Speaker 1: don't see that coming, do you know. Listen, I'm supposed

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Speaker 1: to defend the guy because that's how you like me

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Speaker 1: to play the role. But the reality is, hey, you

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Speaker 1: chose to wear the black hat when you got out

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Speaker 1: of law school. Okay, I'm not forcing you to do this,

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Speaker 1: and you're making a pretty penny at it, I might add, okay,

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Speaker 1: I see pictures of your place. Go ahead, so listen.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. No one knows at this point whether

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Speaker 1: this was his evil plan to go to Badu and

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Speaker 1: find a victim, or whether something spontaneous just occurred that

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Speaker 1: he didn't expect. He thought how this relationship would work out,

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Speaker 1: and she doesn't act in a way that's consistent with

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Speaker 1: what he envisions, and then yeah, all that that was

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Speaker 1: a fancy way of saying that, or one of the

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Speaker 1: many other scenarios. Who knows what else the guy wanted

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Speaker 1: to do with her, No one, No one was there.

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Speaker 1: We don't know, But because will be consistent, that's something

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Speaker 1: that we use to his advantage. We don't know if

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the degrees of homicide that he's potentially

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Speaker 1: facing or bath just because he's seventeen. We should not

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Speaker 1: think of this as a relationship gone awry. I mean,

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Speaker 1: apparently he says to know the investigators that they got

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Speaker 1: in an argument. What a big fat excuse or a rationalization.

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Speaker 1: He's acting like they already have a relationship. If you

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Speaker 1: were twenty four, twenty five years old, what would be thinking.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's a serial rapist that lured a woman offline.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he is just simply homicidal. Maybe he's a serial

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Speaker 1: killer and this is his first victim. Maybe he got

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Speaker 1: caught at the get go, you know, right at the

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Speaker 1: gate U his first act. The fact that he shot her.

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Speaker 1: I would wonder if he was planning other crimes. Was

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Speaker 1: he stockpiling weapons? How did he get access to a weapon?

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Speaker 1: Were there other weapons in the home. I would want

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Speaker 1: to look at his Facebook, all of his online accounts.

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Speaker 1: What was he writing about? Was he planning a school shooting?

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Speaker 1: I know that may seem far afield, but I can

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Speaker 1: bet you that this is not the only crime that

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Speaker 1: this young man was planning. I think this is just

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Speaker 1: the tip of the misery. Iceberg and that mother who

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Speaker 1: went down to the basement bedroom, I bet you she

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Speaker 1: knows something. I mean, God bless her for reporting it

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Speaker 1: to the police and not protecting her son. But I

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Speaker 1: bet she was already worried about him, suspicious about him,

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Speaker 1: and knew that things were just you know that he

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Speaker 1: was a very troubled troubled young man. Well, I would

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Speaker 1: hold him now, or or an entirely well hold on,

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Speaker 1: or an entirely different scenario. If law enforcement was saying

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Speaker 1: it was a relationship, let's keep making a option. They

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Speaker 1: then have both his social media and hers. They see

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Speaker 1: maybe some text messages back and forth between the two,

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Speaker 1: numerous gathering of words, which suggests that this might have

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Speaker 1: been a relationship, and this was an isolated incident and

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Speaker 1: as a result things went awry. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: we're making them into be a serial killer just yet. Well,

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Speaker 1: you'd think that the parents got a whiff of something wrong.

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Speaker 1: But after having poured over the statements of parents in

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Speaker 1: the Columbine shooting, they had no idea what was going

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Speaker 1: on in the basement, no idea what was happening. I

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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen now to our friens

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Speaker 1: a k n B in new Center one news anchor

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Speaker 1: Anya Muller, it's believe police have found the body of

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Speaker 1: a teenager reported missing from more Craft, Wyoming. Meanwhile, a

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Speaker 1: juvenile suspect has been taken into custody. As we reported

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Speaker 1: first on Sunday, Shana Rittaller was last seen in more

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Speaker 1: Craft last Thursday of last week. Police believe she was

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Speaker 1: in either Deadwood or Sturgis. The Meet County Sheriff's Office,

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Speaker 1: along with agents from the State Division of Criminal Investigation,

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Speaker 1: served a search warrant yesterday for a home near Sturgis.

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Speaker 1: A teenage girl's body was found in a basement bedroom

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Speaker 1: in the house, which is located in Blucksburg, and autopsy

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Speaker 1: will be performed, but according to her mother's Facebook page,

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Speaker 1: Shana was shot to death. The juvenile suspect has been

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Speaker 1: taken to the Juvenile Services Center in Rapid City. Charges

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Speaker 1: are pendine. We are also learning, according to police reports,

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Speaker 1: that Campbell, Michael Campbell, was apparently on drugs and alcohol

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Speaker 1: at the time. His mother had left briefly, and during

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Speaker 1: that fateful moment, the son, Michael Campbell, allegedly using drugs

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Speaker 1: and alcohol, retrieved a handgun that belonged to his mother.

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Speaker 1: His words quote, we got into an argument, then I

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Speaker 1: shot her back to Sierra Campbell joining me. When asked

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Speaker 1: if he was angry, he says, no, They've been having

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Speaker 1: an argument. He's been asked about justification. He says, very flatly,

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Speaker 1: I shot her in the head. Do I have that

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Speaker 1: right Sierah, Yeah, that's exactly right, Nancy. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: this kid didn't have very much emotion around surrounding this.

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Speaker 1: He said he shot her once in the head and

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Speaker 1: that was pretty much it. We do know that drugs

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Speaker 1: and alcohol were likely involved in this. But what led

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Speaker 1: up to the fight or this incident or him thinking

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Speaker 1: it was necessary to pull a gun that I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but think about it. Joscott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.

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Speaker 1: He had to go and retrieve the gun hold on

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Speaker 1: his satellites down Chloy Steiger. He had to go retrieve

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Speaker 1: the gun. Yeah, you know, and that showed the level

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Speaker 1: of premeditation in this case. But although the answer, mister Eglarsh,

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Speaker 1: we don't have Nope, that fate doesn't have to prove

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Speaker 1: that he's a circular thing because they charged him with

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Speaker 1: murder two and they didn't presume premeditation, although there is

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Speaker 1: some evidence of premeditation in this case. If he had

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Speaker 1: to get to done. Take a listen to Kota TV

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Speaker 1: News anchor Jat Claudzill. A seventeen year old boy is

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Speaker 1: charged with second degree murder in the death of missing

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Speaker 1: sixteen year old Shanna Ridhaller of more Croft, Wyoming. Ridhaller's

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Speaker 1: body was found in the basement of a home in Blocksburg,

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Speaker 1: just southeast of Sturgis on Monday. Seventeen year old Michael

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Speaker 1: Gavin Campbell was arrested Monday. Made his first appearance in

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Speaker 1: Force Circuit Court in Sturgis this morning and arguing bond.

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Speaker 1: Mead County State's Attorney Michelle Bordowick, said that Campbell admitted

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Speaker 1: the law enforcement that he and Ridhaller had an argument,

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Speaker 1: the argument turned violent and he shot or. The court

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Speaker 1: sealed the probable cause AFFI David in the case, cutting

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Speaker 1: more details in the case. Campbell's attorneys asked for a

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bond, but Circuit Judge

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Speaker 1: Kevin Krall said his bond at one million dollars, saying

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Speaker 1: the court finds the the facts of the case particularly troubling.

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Speaker 1: Campbell is set for arrangement a week from today. He's

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Speaker 1: being charged as an adult, but since he's a juvenile,

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Speaker 1: he can't be sentenced to life in prison if he's convicted,

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Speaker 1: but can only be sentenced to a set number of years.

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Speaker 1: Guys after attempting to plead not guilty by reason of insanity.

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Speaker 1: The case winds its way through the system. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Dave Matt Crime online. A Mead

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Speaker 1: County judge accepted the plea agreement for a Sturgis team

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Speaker 1: who has admitted to the twenty nineteen killing of a

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Speaker 1: missing Wyoming girl. Michael Gavin Campbell is seventeen from Sturges.

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Speaker 1: If you remember, he pleaded not guilty by reason of

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Speaker 1: insanity back months ago. He is now admitted to shooting

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Speaker 1: sixteen year old Shaina Ridthaller in the head after getting

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Speaker 1: in an argument. Campbell pleaded guilty to the first degree

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Speaker 1: manslaughter charge in Mead County courtroom as part of a

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Speaker 1: pre arranged agreement with prosecutors. Instead of facing the maximum

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Speaker 1: penalty of life in prison, and Campbell agreed to a

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Speaker 1: fifty five year sentence, Andy agreed to pay restitution of

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Speaker 1: eight thousand, three hundred and thirty nine dollars and fifty

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Speaker 1: four cents. Restitution of eight thousand dollars when you're sixteen

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Speaker 1: year old daughter has been shot dead in the head.

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Speaker 1: Because this was a guilty plea, they will very likely

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Speaker 1: never be an appeal prediction Sky'll be out in ten

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Speaker 1: twelve years, while Shanna Ridhaller's family is sentenced to life

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Speaker 1: and the hell without their daughter. Nancy Grace Crime Story

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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,