1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program coming to you 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: from n RG Stadium, the Hunday Texans Radio Studio. Mark 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: vandermer with you with John Harrison. We've got a good 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: one for you that i'd plenty to get to, involving 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: your Texans draft prep, draft party, schedule, prep, all of 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: it happening as you can just feel the season coming, Johnny, 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but this has been a 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: very fast off season. Oh yeah, did I just jinx 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: it by saying that, yeah, you did, you did? But 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: I actually, I'll be honest if it slows down now, 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. I want the draft to get here. 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: But there's always there's always little nooks and crannies you 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: want to try and fill in. I said the other day, 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: if I feel like I'm further ahead than I've ever been, 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: but you just never feel like you've done enough. Like 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: have you seen this guy from Mercer? Like, god, dang it, Yeah, 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: I gotta go. Okay, I gotta go find film on 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: him and watch him. Jason Pope, by the way, interior 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: offers the lineman. Oh boy, yeah, I was gonna say 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: I was shocked that you very just I haven't studied him. 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: I've seen him a little bit, but I haven't I 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: watched a Mercer Alabama game, and so I'm just getting 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: to Thibodeau here myself, Caon Cavon Tibodeau, who I gave 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: to the Texans at number thirteen, which I talked about 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: this morning with Sean at Seth, which was how'd that go? 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: Did they strongly object to your trade? Falcons? No, not 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: at all. They mocked trade. No. They Sean texted me 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: later and said, man, that'd be bananas if that trade happened. 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, I would love to see it happen, 30 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: and I think it would be I think it would 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: be a great deal. I think it would be a 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: great deal for Atlanta. I think it would be a 33 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: great deal for the Texans. And also because Atlanta has 34 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: multiple second in multiple third round picks in this draft. 35 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: What about the Saints? What about the Saints? Okay, now 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: this happened at the end of our show yesterday. The 37 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 1: Eagles had three first round picks fifteen, sixteen, nineteen, right, 38 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: So they traded sixteen and nineteen to the Saints and 39 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: got back eighteen in return. But then they got first 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: round pick next year, and then a second round picked 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: the year after that. So they essentially took one of 42 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: their first rounders this year, applied the time value of 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: money and turned it into a first next year and 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: a second the year after that. Yeah, I only dropped 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: two slots to do that. They took the Saints what 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: eighteen eighteen, But the Saints now have two picks to 47 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: wheel and deal. Yes, the Texans if they wanted. Okay, now, 48 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: of course that was one thing that I was The 49 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: first thing I thought of was that. The second thing 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: I thought of was typically, and going back to what 51 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: Nick talked about, if you make a trade up or down, 52 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: the team that's trading up is looking for a player. Yeah, typically, right, typically, 53 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: But this is a little different because this has happened 54 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: outside the draft time, the actual draft night. So are 55 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: they positioning themselves to be able to say, hey, we 56 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: got sixteen and nineteen, will shop to you at number three, 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: at number four and number five. So if you go 58 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: to the draft value chart, which I like to do 59 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: just to get a gauge, yeah, it's just one way 60 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: of getting some value interpretation. Picks sixteen and nineteen are 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: a thousand or nineteen hundred combined nineteen hundred, the number 62 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: three pick with the Texas tab. Right now, it's valued 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: at twenty two hundred, so the Saints would have to 64 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: sweeten it a little bit more. The difference is like 65 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: three hundred points, which is essentially a bottom and second rounder. 66 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: You mean two ones, the two ones that the Saints have. 67 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: You said, sixteen and nineteen sixteen is worth a thousand, 68 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: nineteen is worth I'm sorry, eight seventy five, the wrong one. 69 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: So you're you're thinking that those two don't add up 70 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: to a three. Those two ones don't add up to 71 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: I mean based on based on the third, the third 72 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: pick in the drive. I could see that. I could 73 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: see that. I could see them having to throw in. 74 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, you want to do the deal, make 75 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: you Loomis, Yeah, I want sixteen nineteen, And I would 76 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: ask for a second, what does does New Orleans have 77 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: a second? Now New Orleans second is at forty nine. 78 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: That might be too rich, but maybe if you got there, 79 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: well you already have their third. So the next pick 80 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: for them is pick number one oh eight, I'm sorry, 81 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: ninety eight ninety eight, which has one hundred eighty points, 82 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: So you'd have to you'd have to throw some things 83 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: in there to make sure you got the right value 84 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: coming back. But still you at that point you end 85 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: up with thirteen sixteen nineteen. Yeah, but do you really 86 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: want three first round picks? I don't. I know you 87 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: want the talent, but they all come due, they all mature, 88 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: all those bonds, sure, at the same time. Exactly you 89 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: have to decide whether to cash them out, continue them. 90 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: In other words, pay them. You have to decide whether 91 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: to pay those players, not exactly at the same time, 92 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: because you have the fifth year option, and you can 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: work with different things at different time and sign them 94 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: early if they're amazing or whatever. But I would think 95 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: that Nick would opt for picks later. He wants another 96 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: first I think he wants two firsts in this draft, yes, 97 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: but three gets a little heavy. I'd rather have another 98 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: one next year than I can wheel that and deal 99 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: that for later or picks when I would cross that bridge. 100 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: I'm with you and that I asked him the question. 101 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if I phrased it properly when I 102 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: when I asked him, but essentially it was it was 103 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: the number of draft picks that you make. Is there 104 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: a sort of cap and I'm not talking salary cap. 105 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I mean, is there a limit on the number of 106 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: picks that you actually want to make? Because to your point, 107 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: let's say that a number of them hit all of a 108 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: a sudden, they all become due. They're all good play like, 109 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: oh man, we've drafted and developed extremely well, and now 110 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: we got to pay all these dudes. Oh. At the 111 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: same time, that might not be exactly which want. I 112 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: think that same philosophy sort of applies to the first 113 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: round as well, and I think that's part of the 114 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: reason why Philly was willing to do this, because it 115 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: did two things. Number One, they no longer have to 116 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: pay three first round picks, right, and they get ammunition 117 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: in a draft that is allegedly in twenty twenty three. 118 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: They've got more ammunition. Now they've got two first round 119 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: picks in twenty twenty three that if for some reason 120 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts doesn't pan out, they got two picks in 121 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: there in twenty twenty three, that they can then move 122 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, like we're talking about the Saints doing, 123 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: and go get a quarterback. And there's a thought that 124 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: they're going to be a lot of good quarterbacks coming 125 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: into this draft in twenty twenty three. I can see 126 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: why Philly did it. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, 127 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: from their stamp, I see it for a number of reasons. 128 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: You don't have to pay three picks and you bolster 129 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And again it's kind of the time 130 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: value of money. You want fifty dollars today or you 131 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: want seventy five down the road, and obviously at seventy 132 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: five split up because you don't get to make that 133 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: pick today. So yeah, you don't pick number I don't 134 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: know what, eight nineteen, but at one of them you're 135 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: not making so you're moving that to twenty twenty three. 136 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: But then on top of that, you also get their 137 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: second rounder in twenty twenty four. The draft has not 138 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: been this discussed on sports talk radio, this debated in 139 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: the media, sports social media has changed over the years, 140 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: of course, so it's not a fair comparison. But since 141 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, since the Texans at the number one overall picks, 142 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: and at that point, at this point, I should say, 143 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: and maybe a month or two prior to the draft, 144 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen draft, I'm not gonna say it was 145 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion. You're taking Jadeveon Clowney, but it was 146 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: pretty much assumed you're gonna take Jadeveon Clowney, right, But 147 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about something else today, and I 148 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: brought up the term I believe I did yesterday. And 149 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: if I didn't sell what we're talking right now, quarterback inflation, Johnny. 150 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: So I need your perspective hat on right now. Okay, 151 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna start with the twenty eleven draft, and I'm 152 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: gonna name some quarterbacks and you tell me, and I say, 153 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: your perspective had because you can't use hindsight here. You 154 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: gotta go back in time prior to the draft and 155 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: tell me if these quarterbacks were inflated in value in 156 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the draft, or you drafted the prospect based on you know, 157 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: where he was evaluated properly but he didn't pan out, 158 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: or he did pan out, or whatever the case. Maybe. 159 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: All right, twenty eleven draft, Cam Newton, I thought he 160 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: was right where he needed to go number one overall 161 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: pick in the draft. Ye, all right, let's go to 162 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: Jake Locker going to the Tennessee Titans at number eight overall. 163 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: I feel like he was inflated, inflated, inflated. You could 164 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: see some traits, but I thought, man, whoever takes Jake Locker, 165 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: this is gonna be It's gonna be a work in progress. 166 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: He has athletic he's basically Taysom Hill and kind of 167 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: like Taysom Hill, and that he's rough and tumbled. But 168 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: he's not a great thrower at all, so I thought 169 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: he was definitely inflated. Two spots down playing, Gabbert gets 170 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: taken by the Jaguars. Number ten overall time, I thought 171 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: gaber was was right on im. I gonna sitting here 172 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: and tell you Gabert was the best thing since sliced bread. 173 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: But I at least thought Gabert could work through his 174 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: issues and and be a pretty good rhythm thrower. And 175 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: he never never got there. That that one, I thought 176 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: was about right on fair as our buddy Christian Ponder 177 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: at twelve, way way over inflated, way over inflated. I 178 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: couldn't stamp Ponder, I couldn't stand Ponder. So uh he was, 179 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: he was, oh well over inflated. I did not like 180 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: that pick at all. On Minnesota. The next quarterback taken 181 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: was Ryan Mallett in the third round. I loved Mallet. 182 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: I loved Mallet. Oh wait, wait, wait. I loved Mallet 183 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: on the field. Okay, off the field, Big Text was 184 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: kind of a mess, but God loved him. I mean 185 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: I loved sitting and talking ball. I remember we were 186 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: sitting in that room. I was thinking about this the 187 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: other day. I was right in our old studio and 188 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: I just happened to be in there. And this is 189 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: in the off season between fourteen and fifteen, and he is. 190 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: He's out in the hallway taking some pictures or doing something, 191 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: and he sees me in there and he's like, Johnny, 192 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: what are you doing. I was like, oh, I'm I'm 193 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: doing some radio. And he goes, all right, man, let's 194 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: sit out, chop it up. And I'm like, wait what. 195 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: And I look over at the time of our PR 196 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: guy and it was Brett. My Couse gases Brett and 197 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I guess, so let's go go ahead. 198 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: Now these are in the days of Bill O'Brian, so 199 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: we had to tread lightly, but we had a great conversation. Man, 200 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: we just sat there in Chatti for all. I loved him. 201 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: I loved him. He he just had a few things 202 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: off the field. He had to a few things A 203 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: few things off the faulty alarm clock at a faulty 204 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: alarm clock. And look after they beat Cleveland and fourteen 205 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: when the Browns were six and three and Mallet wins 206 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: the game. Of course, Alfred blue Health running for like 207 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: a buck fifty in that game, but I won't about that. J. J. 208 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: Watt got a touchdown pass. But after that game, I 209 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: loved Mallett too, and I really was excited for his 210 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: prospects going in the twenty fifteen I didn't mean to 211 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: make this about the tech back to the quarterback inflation 212 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: topic leading into the draft, not after you get to 213 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: evaluate them. Andrew Luck in twenty twelve number one overall 214 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: pick all right, next RG three, number two overall pick. 215 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was fine at the time. At the time, 216 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: that was the guy. Yeah, at the time he was 217 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: he and Luck and there were no doubt about it, 218 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: no inflation there. And the next quarterback take it in 219 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: that draft would be Ryan Tannehill at number eight overall 220 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: to the Miami Dolphins. Was he picked right in the 221 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: right spot value wise or was it inflation? At the time, 222 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: I think there was a little bit inflation because he 223 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: had only played quarterback for a short time at A 224 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: and m right, he had been a receiver whichever knows, 225 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: so he'd been a receiver, and I think he had 226 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: started for maybe a year and a half after Grod 227 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: got banged up and Draw Johnson who is now Was 228 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: he with the Eagles now? I think no, he's the Vikings. 229 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: He's the Vikings now, Yeah, And Grod just banged up 230 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: and finally Tannell took over. So Tannell only been started 231 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: for a year and a half. You saw a lot 232 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: of things you liked. That was more. That was a 233 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: projection thing. There was some inflation built into that at 234 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: number eight. But you look back and you think, okay, 235 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's probably about right, was it? Kind 236 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: of Davis mills Ish were drafting the bananas when they're 237 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: grain and they're gonna ripen with us. But he started 238 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: game one of his career right, Oh, Danny, he had 239 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: to he had to do. I think there was a 240 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: little bit of inflation there, but not a not a 241 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: ton okay, not a not a ton. He went. He 242 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: went the right spot. Brandon Whedon, who was thirty seven 243 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: years old when he was drafted. No, he was actually 244 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: twenty eight years old when he was drafted number one, well, 245 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: number one draft choice for the Cleveland Browns, actually not 246 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: their first draft choice because that was Trent Richardson. So 247 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: first round draft pick anyway, twenty two overall, Brandon Weedon 248 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: was their inflation there prior to the drafted we think 249 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: that that was too high a pick to take Brandon Weedon. 250 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: I didn't. I think that was probably about right for Weedon. 251 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: There was always the age thing. There was always that 252 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: um but I think I was probably about that was 253 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: about right there was. I don't think there's any inflation 254 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: for weeding there. Okay, let's move on to the next 255 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: raft of twenty Wait do you want to go to 256 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: the second round in that draft? I don't really need to, 257 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: but hang out. Sure you want to talk about the 258 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: sixth seven gunslinger from Arizona State. Oh no, that was 259 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: that draft. What's the what's the maximum amount of inflation? 260 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: You can have what we're doing. And I don't say 261 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: this in hindsight, all right, I don't say this in 262 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: hindsight when he when he was drafted seventh overall, we're 263 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: talking about brock Oswather brock Oss Waller was drafted in 264 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: that draft. I about had a Coronera, like, are you serious? 265 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: You thought that was way too high. I thought it 266 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: was way too high. Had a fourth round grade on him. 267 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want any part of this guy. 268 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: He got here, but was he turning the tide on? 269 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: Change your mind? When he went five and to as 270 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: a starter for the Denver Broncos in their Super Bowl year, 271 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: I know he got bench for Peyton Manning at the 272 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: end of the year. Manning comes back leads the Broncos 273 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl. Twenty fifteen season, there was some 274 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: of that, but what what people failed to remember in 275 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, right, were those losses at the end of 276 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: the year. He looked got awful. Okay, he did not 277 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: look good, remember remember that? But Peyton Manning back in 278 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: the game against the Chargers season finale, Yeah, and it 279 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: was yeah, whoa, this is not good. He this is 280 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: not good. And I worried, and I just remember when 281 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: we signed him. I'm like, Okay, this is either he's 282 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: turned a corner from what I assessed him in the draft, 283 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: or and that's gonna be a good thing, or he's 284 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: gonna be a guy thought he was, Yeah, and that's 285 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: gonna be a horrible thing. Right, And he's a guy thought, 286 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: I thought it was. What he was was a serviceable 287 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: quarterback on a really good team that year who went 288 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: five and two as a starter. Right, Yes, And as 289 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: far as the Texans went, the Texans had a pretty 290 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: good squad that was coming out back to back winning seasons. 291 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: The AFC stats was a bit down, and Brock engineered 292 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: some wins and he played well against the Colts and 293 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: to come from behind her a few other games he 294 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: didn't play that, but they won anyway because they had 295 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: good defense that year. They were the number one defense 296 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL that year, the Houston Texans. I just 297 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: don't want to relive that first day of OTAs and 298 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: watching him throw the ball. Oh, I thought, I've never 299 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: been more panicked in my life. I thought he's just 300 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: adjusting to the Bill O'Brien offense. It's very complicated. Everybody 301 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: be patient. But Savage looked good. You were better than 302 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I was, because I was like, I'm over there panicking 303 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: like there's nobody on the field right now, and he 304 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: just was Yeah, Ray Hopkins by five yards and hops 305 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: looking at him like, what did you just do? Bro bad? Sign? Yeah. 306 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: Next year was twenty thirteen. All we're doing are these quarterbacks? 307 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: Were they inflated? All of EJ Manuel inflation? I remember 308 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: that because a lot of people thought second round and best. 309 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: But there were the Bills. They needed a quarterback and 310 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: they reached up and grabbed him. Gino Smith Round two 311 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: by the New York Jets thirty nine. Actually Gino was 312 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: actually underinflated on that one. I thought Gino would go 313 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: to back in the first round. So I guess second 314 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: round was in bad bad draft for quarterbacks. Mike Glennon 315 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: has made it. Oh, oh gosh, why did you do that? 316 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: But how about this Clennon is still in the league 317 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: somewhere right yeake stinks, I know, no, but he's still 318 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: in the league earning a paycheck. How does this because 319 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: he's six six with the Howard Servant arm. If I 320 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: was six six out Howard serving Arm, I would have 321 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: been around the league for twenty years six playing in 322 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: my mid forties. The six six plus quarterbacks, brock uh 323 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: don't always do that well, No, Dan McGuire, very hard 324 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: for them to do well. Yeah, I guess, so, I 325 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: guess the wind up or whatever. Josh Allen, that's kind 326 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: of shooting all that down, all right, but he's different. 327 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: He's like an defensive end play quack. Okay, twenty fourteen draft. 328 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: We're very familiar with twenty fourteen because Jad goes first, 329 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: so Clowney goes first. Blake Bortles the first quarterback taken 330 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: third overall by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Was there inflation? Did 331 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: you feel i'm Bortles being taken third? That's a loaded question, 332 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: of course, yes, there was. I thought he was probably 333 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: somewhere between six to ten. So I remember that draft 334 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: night when I did you think he was the best 335 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: quarterback in that draft going into the draft? I? Yeah, 336 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: I think so I'm trying to think not yeah, I 337 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: might have had Johnny Manziel ahead of Blake Bortles. And 338 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: of course that's none of its Well, I thought today 339 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: where Blake Portles asked for his release from the Saints, 340 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, Bortles is still in the league. Ye, 341 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: holy smokes, this dude's still in the league. Like he 342 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: had a couple of decent years with the Jags, decent, 343 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: but he just couldn't do it. And then there was 344 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: the one was I think this was eighteen where his 345 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: mechanics just went to hell, like he couldn't throw the 346 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: ball like he was It was weird. He couldn't throw 347 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: the ball. He looked odd throwing the football. And I 348 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: thought about that a lot because we had conversations with 349 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: a certain person in this building. Did you consider a quarterback? 350 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: And yes, we consider a quarterback who portals like, yeah, okay, 351 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: I don't think they'd graded him that high though, No, 352 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: they and the thought was we wouldn't take him at 353 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: number one. So now fourteen draft Mike Evans anyways, Okay, 354 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: let's get to the rest of it. Though. Yeah, there 355 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: are a ton of Pro bowlers in the first round 356 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: of that draft, a ton. That was a great first round, 357 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: yes for a lot of people. Obviously Clowney didn't stay 358 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: extremely healthy here, but he made some plays. Okay, Johnny 359 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: Manzell's second quarterback, take it. We're doing. We're these quarterbacks 360 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: inflated in value going into the draft. So we get 361 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: to the end of the night, we're doing the draft 362 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: show on the first level of NRG Stadium for the 363 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: first time ever. By the way, we'll get to the 364 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: draft party in this show coming up. But Teddy Bridgewater 365 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: gets taken by the Minnesota Vikings who move into that position, 366 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: trade with the Seahawks to grab him. And look, I'll 367 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: defend Teddy on this. He brought the Vikings to a 368 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: playoff appearance. If that field goal, you always see the 369 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: meme come up. Mike Floria always puts it out there. 370 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: Whenever the Vikings kick anything, they could kick some dirt 371 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: and he would put up that meme of the missed 372 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: yield goal at the Minnesota Gophers Stadium. Anyway, Bridgewater, look 373 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: you look at his number, seventy one touchdowns in his career, 374 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: but forty three picks. Still he's on the right side. 375 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: He's had a lot of opportunities, just hasn't worked out 376 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: as well as he's wanted it. I do. I don't 377 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: think that's I don't think that's overinflated now. And honestly, 378 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: I think going into the draft, we thought Teddy would 379 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: go earlier than thirty two, but right I think it 380 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: ended up we have to factor in that injury. Had 381 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: the injury he had, he shattered, Yeah, he just shattered. 382 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: His legs was just completely shattered. So that's kind of 383 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: as an that's an appendix to the to the the 384 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: novel that you have to kind of throw in there, 385 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: and a very important one too, So I don't think 386 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: he was overinflated. Though. Manzell different story, a totally different story. 387 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: Manzelle flames out with Cleveland, doesn't even want to play 388 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: football at this level anymore, doesn't even want to try. 389 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: But Bridgewater during the last season of his college career, 390 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: heading into the offseason, a lot of people thought that 391 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: might be the number one pick in the draft. I 392 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: remember we were watching Teddy in a bowl game right 393 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: when we were playing the Titans the last day of 394 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: the season, and we were thinking, well, maybe that's the 395 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: Texans quarterback Teddy Bridgewater. So his stock was high, but 396 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: again it's media pundit stuff, pundit stuff, and then he 397 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: drops as we go along to the offseason and eventually 398 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: gets picked. Last pick in the first round. Derek Carr 399 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: is now, I'm gonna put these in a group now, 400 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: Derek car and it's Garoppolo next. I think Garoppolo is 401 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: the next one later in the second round. I'll always 402 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: say this. I know the Texans took Xaviers to a 403 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: Philo first pick in the second round. Look when you 404 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: take an offensive line in that high he's gonna play 405 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: a little bit better. He's played a bunch of years, 406 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: said a lot of snaps in this league, but you 407 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: expect more. I always thought maybe Garoppolo should have been 408 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: the pick right there, because if you flame out with 409 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: a quarterback top of the second round, it's all right, 410 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: you took a shot at it didn't work out. It's 411 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: not like you busted with a number one overall pick 412 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: or Blake Bortles at three. And Garoppolo clearly is better 413 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: than anybody we just mentioned other than Derek Carr. And 414 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: we obviously know the Texas were taking Derek Carr at 415 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: that that was not gonna happen after obviously the run 416 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: of David Carr. I mean, Derek said all the right things. 417 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: I remember being a Senior Bowl that year and was 418 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: sitting down listen to an interview that he was doing, 419 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: and I was like, Wow, this guy's got it together. 420 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: And I remember asking, is that how David sounded? Oh? Yeah, 421 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: they sounded identical. Then Derek was not gonna be the 422 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: quarterback here. But I think hindsight, being twenty twenty, I 423 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: don't think at the time we thought. I thought Garoppolo 424 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: would go early third. I was earmarking at sixty fifth 425 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: pick or whatever it was in the third round. That's 426 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: where I thought Garoppolo could go right, and then the 427 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: Patriots ended up taking him into fifties and thought a man. 428 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: But again, when it comes to quarterbacks, you better struck, 429 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: strike fast, strike quickly, strike hard, and go get that guy. 430 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: And that's what the Patriots, the Patriots. Patriots had to know, 431 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: they had to know, they had to know that we 432 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: would have taken him at sixty five, that's way something 433 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: something like that. All right, So Jamis Winston, Arcas Mariota 434 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: go one and two in the twenty fifteen draft, and 435 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that was inflation going in. They were 436 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: picked where everybody thought they should be picked. No one 437 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: was reaching for them. Now. I know hasn't worked out 438 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: the way you wanted it to Tampa Bay and Tennessee Titans, 439 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: but those players were properly picked for less of a 440 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: good way of putting it, and crazy as it sounds, 441 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: those two are presumably starters in twenty twenty two. As 442 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: crazy it sounds, because as it sounds, because look, those 443 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: guys have value, they have ability, so you're gonna stick 444 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: around for a long time, even if you're a reserve. 445 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: You're gonna be serviceable. We were just talked about some 446 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: of the other guys who were still in the league, 447 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: Jared Goff, Carson Wentz one in two in the twenty 448 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: sixteen draft inflation are not picking them there? I think 449 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: they were properly rated. They were. I think they were 450 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: properly I mean again, properly I should say properly drafted. 451 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: They obviously weren't properly rated because you shouldn't have picked 452 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: them right there, because they weren't the guys. I know. 453 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: You went to a Super Bowl with Goff but got 454 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: a big second contract. Was worth the number one overall pick, 455 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: right same with Wentz, it was he worth the number 456 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: went again a hard one. Kind of going back to 457 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: the Bridgewater thing. If Wentz doesn't tears ACL twenty seventeen, 458 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Are we talking about? We're 459 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: talking about a whole different situation. Does it play out 460 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: the same way? Yeah, exactly. I mean you don't know, 461 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: do they win a Super Bowl? I mean, who knows? 462 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: They don't because the magic of Nick falls would not 463 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: have been able to occur. I think that's true, and 464 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: I think that we would have started seeing some of 465 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: the Carson Wentz issues come through. But if you remember 466 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: in that game out in LA when he hurts his ACL. 467 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: LA was great that year and the Eagles went out 468 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: there in December and put it on them, and Wentz 469 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: was a big part of that. They put it on 470 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: the Rams and then struggled to finish this the regular season, 471 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: but then Foals got hot in the playoffs. I'm curious 472 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: to see what Wentz would have done had he stayed 473 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: healthy through that rest of the regular season. What you 474 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: have won the MVP, How does that change things? How 475 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: has he perceived? And at that point are the Eagles 476 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: going to even think about letting go of an MVP 477 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: who won a Super Bowl? They wouldn't even so I 478 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm and I don't know how much that 479 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: took away from Wentz his confidence, how much it took 480 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: away from his throwing and running ability. I don't know. 481 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: But it definitely deteriorated in Philly, it deteriorated in Indiapolis, 482 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: and he's got one final shot with the Commanders. This 483 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: is interesting because Paxton Lynch goes later in the first round. 484 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: Obviously that was a reach, but with Christian Hackenburg getting 485 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: drafted in round two. I'll say this about Bill O'Brien. 486 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: He recruited Hackenburg. Hackenburg played well enough at Penn State, 487 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: where he was drafted in the second round of the 488 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: NFL Draft. That's unbelievable. He was general. Whether that's a 489 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: credit to O'Brien or not, I know he didn't have 490 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: him for his entire college career, but it's interesting to 491 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: point out well Hackenburg was throwing Alan Robinson in twenty 492 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: thirteen at Penn State. That always helped him when Robinson 493 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: was gone. No, I don't know. Maybe Robinson was there 494 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: one more year. No, I can't anyway. Point being boy, 495 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: it was not I mean Mark when he got to 496 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: the Jets, he was so flawed. I mean the Jets 497 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: are like, what is this? And they never got it. 498 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: It just he didn't have a second round pick. I mean, 499 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: he was the second round pick. But my, oh my, 500 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: oh my goodness. But to your Paxton Lynch thing. Sometimes 501 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: sometimes luck plays a role. Jerry Jones was dying for 502 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: Paxiston Lynch. He was doing everything imaginable to make a trade. 503 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: He was trying to find every single way that he 504 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: could get to Packiston Lynch, and he couldn't do it. 505 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: And finally the fourth round, Stephen says, Stephen Jones says, hey, 506 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna take that Prescott. He's like, all right, let's 507 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: do it. They were dying for Paxiston, Lynch, dying and 508 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: they couldn't get it. All right. Next up, more on 509 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: the draft drafts of days gone by at NRG Stadium, 510 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: some of the memories because there's a draft party revolution 511 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: going on. It's gonna be awesome and we'll talk about 512 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 1: it next here on Texans Radio. Mark Vandamarin. John Harris 513 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: with you on Texans Radio as we bring it from 514 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 1: the Hunday Texans Radio studio here at NRG Stadium. Johnny, 515 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: we are going over draft inflation for quarterbacks going into 516 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: the draft and are they taken too high or not. Look, 517 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: it's easy to see in hindsight, but at the time, 518 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: did you know it was too high to take these 519 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: guys based on where they're rated. I brought that whole 520 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: topic up because here we are in this draft and 521 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 1: is someone going to reach on Willis Yes. I mean 522 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: we're talking about all these possibilities of teams maybe wanting 523 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: to trade up to as high as number three with 524 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: the Texans, maybe higher and grab Malik Willis or is 525 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: it pick it or is it Ritter? Does Ritter stock 526 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: rise in the next couple of weeks to stratospheric heights. Look, 527 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: I see Ritter mocked in the first round all over 528 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: the place right now? Did you feel like it? Did 529 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: you feel like it was going to be that way 530 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: coming into the offseason for Ritter? You know, it's interesting 531 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: going back, you know how I do. I'm always thinking, 532 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, ahead, and there there was a thought a 533 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: couple of years ago and watching Ritter like hey, maybe 534 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: this guy's got something, maybe this guy can end up 535 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: being a first rounder. But then you play a tough 536 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: I mean a huge amount of college games, everybody sees 537 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: all the warts, and you're like, nahna, he's not gonna 538 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: be a first rounder. Now I'm not saying it doesn't 539 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: Ritter is gonna be a first rounder, but the arc 540 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: of the path to get to this point at some point, yeah, desn't. 541 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: Ritter showed he's got traits, he's got some things that 542 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: you like to see in a first round quarterback. And 543 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: then you play a bunch of more games and you're like, Okay, 544 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: well I saw this ward and I saw this ward, 545 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: and I saw this wart. You saw everything. But I 546 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: do think even at that point, desn't Ritter comes in 547 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: as one of the most skilled quarterbacks in this draft, 548 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: and he's also one of the most mature and one 549 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: of the biggest film rats you're gonna find. He's got 550 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: a wife, he's got a daughter that he during the season, 551 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: he said that just changed everything for him. That he 552 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: is dialed in, and when you talk to the Cincinnaty coaches, 553 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: they tell you that exact thing. So from that perspective, 554 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter going in the first round. The arc like 555 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: where we were kind of in January, maybe before the 556 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl was kind of you know, Desmond's maybe in 557 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: the second round sort of thing. That's kind of where 558 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: I had him. But due to the over inflation and quarterbacks, 559 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: I think Desmond Ritter's probably best served going late in 560 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: the first round. From twenty five to thirty two, that's 561 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: about where he should go, but he'll go I think 562 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: a little higher than that. All right now, I want 563 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: to do one more year of that quarterback inflation before 564 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: we talk about NFL Draft and draft party and things 565 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: like that. This is the NFL Draft talk But when 566 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: you look at the twenty seventeen draft, what's interesting is 567 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: that Mahomes and Watson based on ability. I know Watson 568 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: there are some issues there, but that's deflation. Okay, that 569 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: is not rating them properly. Because Cleveland took Myles Garrett 570 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: number one, not a bad number one overall pick, but 571 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: considering what they just gave up for Deshaun Watson, hindsight, 572 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: you should have taken Mahomes or Watson period. All right. 573 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: Chicago took Mitchell Trubisky. Do I need to say anything 574 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: right here? They moved up to do it. The forty 575 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: nine ers took Solomon Thomas based on what they did 576 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: trading for Garoppolo. They didn't give up much, only a two, right, 577 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: but what they did to get Trey Lance obviously should 578 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: have taken a quarterback right there. I don't care who 579 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: they had on the roster at that point. Leonard Fournette 580 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: goes to the Jags. I rest my case. I know 581 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: they went to the AFC Championship game that year, but 582 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: come on, Tennessee, Corey Davis. We all know what happened 583 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: to Mariota, but they had just taken Mariota two years 584 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: prior you couldn't take a quarterback right there right there, 585 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: So I get that that's the first team that did 586 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: not take him. That I feel like, okay, they did 587 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: the quote right thing based on where they were at 588 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: the time. The Jets taking Jamal Adams next, all right, 589 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: the LA Chargers they had Philip Rivers still, they took 590 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: Mike Williams, good pick. Carolina still like Cam Newton, Christian 591 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: McCaffrey's to pick, good pick, right, you got quarterback come up? Yeah, 592 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: all right? And then you have Cincinnati taking John Ross next. 593 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: Now Andy Dalton's still playing in Cincinnati at this point? 594 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: Are you giving up on Andy Dalton in twenty seventeen? 595 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: Should you have seen the Forest of the trees? We 596 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: can talk about that. Kansas City is next. They traded 597 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: up to take my homes. Then the Saints Marshawn Lattimore, 598 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: good pick, great pick, they got Drew Brees fine, and 599 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 1: Watson goes to the Texans at twelve after they moved up. 600 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: So you get my drift here. Those guys were available 601 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: to all these teams that eventually would be aching for them. 602 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: But again, I'm using hindsight right now. At the time, though, 603 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: could they should they have seen it. Should they have 604 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: evaluated them better based on the materials, the information they had. 605 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not a fair question. Maybe I'm judging them unfairly, 606 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: and I probably am, because look, look how many people 607 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: were quote wrong about those two. Here's the thing about 608 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 1: those two. And I always like talking about twenty seventeen 609 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: draft because I feel like I got I got it, 610 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: I got it. I feel like I got that one 611 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: right because third or something. I had mocked Mahomes February twelfth, 612 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: it was even before the combine. I mocked him third 613 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: overall to the Chicago Bears and to that and of 614 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: course the Bears did take a quarterback. They just I 615 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: thought took the wrong one. When I did my Harris 616 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: one hundred, I had Watson fourteen overall and I had 617 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: Mahomes like fifteen sixteen. So even where they were drafted, 618 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: I was probably a little bit. But I can guarantee 619 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: I was a lot higher on those two guys than 620 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people were because I was willing to 621 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: live with a few of the warts that they had. 622 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: If you remember, we all know about Mahomes. Mahomes was 623 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: a total wild card. I mean, you'd watch him in 624 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: a Texas Tech game, and it's like, he's not gonna 625 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: be doing that in the NFL where he's running sideways 626 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: and flipped behind his back eighty five yards for a time, 627 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: He's not gonna do that. And it's like, well, yeah, 628 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: he is. He is. He's pulling it off. And to 629 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: Mahomes credit and he should thank Brett Veach and Andy 630 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: Reid for this. He went to the Chiefs, but you 631 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: should sit they were loaded and he could sit beyond. 632 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: Alex Smith loaded the Sean if you if you remember 633 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: the Sean, I think was thirty five touchdowns and he 634 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: obviously they won a national championship. He had thrown seventeen 635 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: interceptions that year, ouch, So there was a there was 636 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: a big concern about, man, there's a lot of interceptions 637 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: for a really good quarterback. How do we feel about this? 638 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: The law said Pitt that year he threw a couple 639 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: just bone in interceptions against Pitt and you're like, man, 640 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: what is going on? So if you got bogged down 641 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: in that, then you weren't going to see the magic 642 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: that was the final drive against Alabama, The toughness, all 643 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 1: the different things that we knew about the Sean and 644 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: that we got to see, but we also saw it here. 645 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: There were moments of like remember the LA game at 646 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, very early in the game, he makes like 647 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: a throwbackwards, yeah, and it ended up Desmond came picked 648 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: it up and started running the other way, and luckily 649 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: Max Sharping ran him down. Because I think it's saved. 650 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: I think it saved a few points because I think 651 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: they had to start for a field goal. But the 652 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: way you're like, what are you doing? What was that? 653 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: There were some there were a few decision making things, 654 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: but if you if you kind of sifted through that 655 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: and went I like everything about like what this guy 656 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: can bring. I can live with the interceptions. I can 657 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: live with Mahomes thrown one sideways falling out of bounds 658 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: eighty yards because man, he's physically talented. And that was 659 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: the reason why I was willing to live with it. 660 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of the same from a leak. 661 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: Willis I when I we got back from the combine. 662 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 1: We got back from the combine, I'm like, man, Willis 663 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: is hot, Willis's I need to I want to go 664 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: watch a couple more games. I gotta I gotta make sure. 665 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: So I watched a couple more games, and it's exactly 666 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: what I thought. But as I'm watching it, maybe I'm 667 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: looking at it through an over inflation prism because I'm thinking, yeah, 668 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: he's I think if he's in the right spot, maybe 669 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't do you're making a case. They're making a 670 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: case for a number one or a first round draft 671 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: choice right exactly, and so maybe you're not looking at 672 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: it with unbiased eyes. I still saw some of the 673 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: things that he needs to improve on. I don't blame 674 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: teams for doing it. John, I don't either. It's too 675 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: important a position. I don't blame teams for jumping up. 676 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't know as we do this whole segment, two segments, 677 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: whatever it is, I feel that way that you do 678 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: need to step forward and go ahead and take some 679 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: chances here. And I think the Texans did the right 680 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,479 Speaker 1: thing last year, picking Davis Mills, getting the bananas before 681 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: they're right, that was their best shot at making Look, 682 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: Nick is very much well. He tries not to do 683 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: it anymore, making these startup references or slicing on value, 684 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: But look, you're trying to get something low that's going 685 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: to mature and be great, that's going to end up 686 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: being a really high value proposition. And if it doesn't 687 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: work out with Mills, what did you really do anyway? Right? 688 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: It cost you, it didn't cost you had no first 689 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: or second round draft choices. Let's go ahead and take 690 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: Davis Mills right here. He'll mature with us, will be 691 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: to develop him for a year. However that works out, 692 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: however much playing time he gets, and he got plenty, 693 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: and he looked good in that second segment, and we'll 694 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: take it from there. People ask me all the top, 695 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: what do you think of Mills? I keep saying, Look, 696 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: the arrow's going up, like Dom Capers would say, he 697 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: continues to trend up words. You don't know how high 698 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna go. You just hope he keeps going. Yeah, 699 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: and that's all you can ask for right now. Let's 700 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: see him do well in the off season here. You're 701 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: not going to see much action out here. These OTAs 702 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: are structured so differently. Now they're not even full speed 703 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: right now because of the union. But training camp and 704 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: take all the steps and we'll all be watching together, 705 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: right and you just hope that that arrow, the slope 706 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: of that arrow is more vertical than its horizontal, So 707 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: you just want that high slow that's what that's what 708 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: you want. You want that high slope. You want it 709 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: going this way as I do my arm kind of 710 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: ale as opposed to ten degree angle or it's like 711 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,959 Speaker 1: this is really good on the radio. Yeah, that's great. 712 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: I described what my arm was doing. I did that 713 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: at least. But that's the only cost is for for 714 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: Davis is do you pass on quarterbacks in this draft 715 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: that you have an opportunity to draft because you want 716 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: to see what you have David's there's an opportunity cost 717 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,240 Speaker 1: for that. But great question. I am not. I don't 718 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: think that cost is heavy in this draft. Yeah, now 719 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: you get to twenty twenty three on the surface, on 720 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: the surface, I know how I know you don't like 721 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: it when I start talking two years, No, when this 722 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: guy gets the league, because I know the answer. Well, 723 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: you never know how they're gonna turn out, Johnny, I know, 724 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: I know. But it's a forecasting business, right you have 725 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: the forecast. Yeah, and that's what you're trying to do 726 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: with twenty twenty three. So that's the opportunity cost. Are 727 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: you going with Davis such that you pass on quarterbacks 728 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: that are gonna turn it? You know, it's like I 729 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: think back to the Aaron Rodgers draft. Texas an opportunity 730 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: to draft Aaron Rodgers. Yeah they did. They dressed Travis 731 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: Johnson and he'll remind people of that, right, whoops. But 732 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: they had David Carr and so they're like, we have David, 733 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: want to see how this goes, right, and we love Travis. 734 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: By the way, all coming up Draft party talk and 735 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: then some here on Texans All Access. Great to have 736 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: you listening tonight Texans All Access from the Honday Texans 737 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: Radio studio. All right, draft party. You saw the announcement, 738 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 1: you know about it. It's happening at the Miller Outdoor Theater. 739 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: The Texans very first draft party was at the AstraDome. 740 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: I was there doing a show with Charlie Polilo and 741 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: Rich Lord. No, Rich actually didn't do the show that day. 742 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: I think it was Grenado and Polilo. I think Gronado 743 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: left at some point. Anyway, it was a I don't 744 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: know what happened. You know, he didn't like walk out 745 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: in the Huffer anything. There's some story there. I'll have 746 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: to ask him. The second year was at the Bubble. 747 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through the mall here but 748 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: was at the bubble when Andre Johnson was picked, and 749 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: then it went to the club level for years. Then 750 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: at twenty fourteen, like we said, went to the first level. 751 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: We did the virtual draft in twenty twenty that was 752 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: really cool under the circumstances. Roger Goodell's basement is nicer 753 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: than my house. And then last year again COVID we 754 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: couldn't do any Friday night event, but you had no 755 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: first or second round picks anyway. But now, Johnny, I 756 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: feel like the draft is gonna feel like it's in Houston, 757 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: the entire draft. The setup is so beautiful there at 758 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: the Miller Outdoor Theater. I'm not just blowing smoke here. 759 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: Take a look at our video that we put out, 760 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: but we can't really simulate it better than what it's 761 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: gonna be on April twenty eighth. And so you come 762 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: out and you enjoy, and you hang out, and hopefully 763 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: April twenty eighth, you'll have a great night of weather. 764 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: Which the only fear that I have is that we 765 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: get a ninety degree night and it's one hundred percent humidity. 766 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm sweat through my suit and you know what, but 767 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: here's the thing, I won't care right, I won't care. 768 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: I will be sweating. I don't care. The fact that 769 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: we're doing a draft party again is gonna be outstaying tis. 770 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: Our heads are gonna get a swivel because they're gonna 771 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: pick third. Let's say they don't trade. They're gonna pick third. 772 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna get the choice draft choice on the phone, 773 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: all that stuff, or on the zoom, and it's gonna 774 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: be wild. We're gonna put them on the big screen 775 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: there at the middle of outdoor theater. We're gonna be 776 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: talking to him. It'll be craziness, and we'll have to 777 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: keep our eyes on what's happening because there might be 778 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: trades going on. Of course there will be probably, and 779 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: it is gonna be mass hysteria, suspense, anxiety, angst. And 780 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: then you get picked umber thirteen. It's gonna be awesome. 781 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: You know, one thing I didn't do in my mocket. 782 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: I don't know if we talked about this yesterday. What 783 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: you know one thing I didn't do in the mock 784 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: that I gave a lot of consideration to doing. But 785 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to our talk about Philadelphia 786 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: not wanting three picks in the first round. I thought 787 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: about trading back into the bottom of the first round 788 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: because there were a couple of players the bottom of 789 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: Moss round in my mock. Then I looked at it went, 790 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: oh boy, I think they'd be really good. I think 791 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: they'd be really good here. But do you want to 792 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: three guys on rookie contracts? Yeah, that's dude, it's dicey. 793 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: He's gonna make seals, he's gonna what's the over under? 794 00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: Un trades? Four? Four? Got eleven picks right now? Right? Yeah? Yeah, four, 795 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: that's a that's a high number for over under. Okay, 796 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: set at three and a half, set at three and 797 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: a half, I'll go four. I think four is fair 798 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,479 Speaker 1: because and I was thinking three threes in my head. 799 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: All right, well the first one might not have at 800 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: difference till day two. Yeah it could, but Nick might 801 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 1: be I don't need those six round picks, and that's 802 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, let's just do this. But I mean 803 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: they traded. They traded up and down for Nico. I 804 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: want to say there was a trade involved in there 805 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: that got them to Brevin, and I think there was 806 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 1: one involved with Wallow to get Garrett. I think they 807 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: went up a few spots to go get Garrett. I 808 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: think there was three last year and eight picks. Mark 809 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: my words. There will be a player in the fifth 810 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: that they want to grab, and he's gonna use whatever 811 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: he have to with the later rounds because he doesn't 812 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: want to have to deal with drafted rookies. Maybe yeah, 813 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: he's got all. He's got a little six round picks too, 814 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: and he's gonna like the player, and he's gonna go 815 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: ahead and make the deal. Well, like you said, if 816 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: that's why he would trade up, he likes the player. 817 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: They like Nico went and traded up, dude like Wallow 818 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: went and traded up. And then we're done after five rounds. 819 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: We could do our interviews right about these guys. Get 820 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: ready go home. It'll be awesome. That would be fantastic. 821 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: But I'm okay staying the full draft and waiting. You 822 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: mentioned twenty fourteen draft, mister irrelevant that year, did we not? 823 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen it was Lonnie Ballentine waited all that time. 824 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: I was here for like ten years and could whatever's 825 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: body could never stay healthy. She just couldn't stay He 826 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: want to talk all airport. Lonnie Ballantine walking through the 827 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: airport looks like the greatest safety that ever lived, and 828 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: who knows how good he would have been had he 829 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: been able to play and hold up healthwise, that would 830 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: have been. I mean, you get something like that seventh 831 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: rounder you had, Andre Howe's seventh rounder. I mean, think 832 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: of what you got. A Trey is a seventh rounder. 833 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean the sexis have hit in those back end 834 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 1: Derek Newton, Bryce McCain six, I think for y Yeah, TJ. 835 00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: Reader was the fifth rounder, but he was the last 836 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 1: pit of the twenty sixteen draft. How about that twenty 837 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: sixteen draft? Think about that, Will Fuller, Nick Martin, Braxton Miller. Oh, 838 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 1: you also had Tyler Irvin. You had all the speed 839 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: and talent. And who's the best player of that draft? 840 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: And it's not even close? The guy at the end, 841 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: DJ Read DJ Reader is not amazing. Crazy to think about, 842 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: But that's why I don't mind having fifty six seth 843 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: round picks. All right, come on, you'll find a guy 844 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for the show tonight. You know, 845 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: Wednesday is normally known as Draft Wednesday, but we did 846 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: heavy draft tonight. But that's what the season is, right, Yeah, 847 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: we've got it coming up April twenty eight. Like we said, 848 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: Draft Party at Miller Outdoor Theater presented by Miller Lyte 849 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: and you know what, you can go to Houston Texans 850 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: dot com get a lot more information on that. We've 851 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: got a contest coming out later this week where you 852 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: predict the first five games of the schedule which is 853 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: coming out of May, and you're gonna win. It's gonna 854 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,959 Speaker 1: be fun. Johnny, dB, Drew and I will all play 855 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: along with you. So details coming up a little bit 856 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: later in the week on that. We'll have mcleanon on 857 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: Thursday as well. Have a great night everyone, thanks for listening, 858 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: and go Texans.