1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:31,279 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. 2 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:33,719 Speaker 2: Tune in is Matt Smith and Paul Perillo offer in 3 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:36,439 Speaker 2: depth interviews with some of the greatest players and coaches 4 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 2: in New England Patriots history. 5 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:40,039 Speaker 1: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame, Mike. 6 00:00:39,999 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: Rabel, find out what led to some of the greatest 7 00:00:42,199 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: moments in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:48,278 Speaker 3: coy Or. 10 00:00:48,319 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 4: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number 11 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 4: one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 12 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,719 Speaker 3: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. 13 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,519 Speaker 2: Search for Pats in the past anywhere you get your podcast. 14 00:01:00,279 --> 00:01:07,598 Speaker 3: How y'all doing good? Great? All right? Questions that means 15 00:01:07,679 --> 00:01:09,198 Speaker 3: the defense, It's. 16 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:11,678 Speaker 5: Good to get him back into the building and just 17 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,519 Speaker 5: seeing where he's at and then alsoually just happened around 18 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 5: the guys, uh uh, you know Dabil and just the 19 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 5: things that he bring to us in the defense. 20 00:01:22,119 --> 00:01:27,159 Speaker 4: Communication struggles in the last year to what tribute struggles. 21 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, so to me, I think you know, really you 22 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 3: start with defense. 23 00:01:32,279 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 5: It all starts with what communication And so when you 24 00:01:35,359 --> 00:01:38,518 Speaker 5: think about like on any play, uh, you need one 25 00:01:38,679 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 5: good pre snap and posting out communication. So, uh, that's 26 00:01:41,839 --> 00:01:44,079 Speaker 5: one thing we just need to do better at going 27 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:47,839 Speaker 5: forward from that last game. As as our execution on 28 00:01:47,879 --> 00:01:50,519 Speaker 5: that communication on some of those plays, Do you. 29 00:01:50,479 --> 00:01:53,999 Speaker 1: Think that that was a tie to preparation. 30 00:01:54,239 --> 00:01:59,839 Speaker 5: Like that they is that communication and practice into the game. 31 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:04,599 Speaker 4: Did you not expect maybe what Miami was doing? 32 00:02:04,679 --> 00:02:05,399 Speaker 3: Like where where? 33 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:08,319 Speaker 1: Did that sort of went back to it? 34 00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:09,758 Speaker 3: Right? Uh? 35 00:02:09,999 --> 00:02:12,759 Speaker 5: No, No, we talked about even when we talked about 36 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,159 Speaker 5: it in here, we talked about this team motions on 37 00:02:15,239 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 5: every single snap. 38 00:02:16,119 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 3: They're creative on every single snap. 39 00:02:18,679 --> 00:02:20,879 Speaker 5: That's one of the number one things you talk about 40 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:23,879 Speaker 5: with this team, the way they window dress everything we 41 00:02:23,959 --> 00:02:26,038 Speaker 5: talked about the I can and the discipline and the 42 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:30,559 Speaker 5: communication that we that we uh that that we will face. 43 00:02:31,399 --> 00:02:34,439 Speaker 5: So all the things that we talk about or show 44 00:02:34,519 --> 00:02:37,719 Speaker 5: them in practice show up in a game. And so 45 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 5: I think our staff does a really good job of that. 46 00:02:40,239 --> 00:02:42,439 Speaker 5: And then I do think our players do a good 47 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:44,759 Speaker 5: job of embracing the information that we give them throughout 48 00:02:44,758 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 5: the week. I just think in that moment or those 49 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:51,719 Speaker 5: a couple of moments, we just had bad communication on 50 00:02:51,839 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 5: just that. But I don't think it's a lack of 51 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:58,478 Speaker 5: preparation for from them. I just think in the moment 52 00:02:59,119 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 5: during that play definitely was you know in which you 53 00:03:02,199 --> 00:03:04,279 Speaker 5: need that in the most critical part. 54 00:03:04,079 --> 00:03:04,599 Speaker 3: Of the field. 55 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 4: So how can you clean that up? 56 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 3: You work on it. So that's what you do every day. 57 00:03:09,239 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 5: So you work, work on communication, You work on you 58 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,198 Speaker 5: force that in the classroom, you force it on the field. 59 00:03:16,079 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 5: Just like I said, every good defense starts with communication 60 00:03:19,038 --> 00:03:22,159 Speaker 5: and so and that's what pre snap and post snap. 61 00:03:22,279 --> 00:03:24,479 Speaker 3: So that's a part of our job. 62 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:26,319 Speaker 5: So you got to continue to do that on it 63 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:29,319 Speaker 5: every every day base so you can make sure that 64 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 5: the communication is right, you know what I mean. And 65 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:33,999 Speaker 5: so you talk about being a loud defense and then 66 00:03:34,119 --> 00:03:37,399 Speaker 5: you know volume meek equals confidence. So those are those 67 00:03:37,399 --> 00:03:39,279 Speaker 5: are the things you're concerned. 68 00:03:38,959 --> 00:03:41,679 Speaker 2: Where Kyle Thugger's game is that right now he seemed. 69 00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:43,799 Speaker 4: To be in the middle of a wall of communication 70 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:45,079 Speaker 4: stuff that happen on some days. 71 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:48,439 Speaker 5: No, I'm not concerned with Kyle. Kyle is have have 72 00:03:48,559 --> 00:03:51,439 Speaker 5: done a lot of great things for us. So for 73 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:55,159 Speaker 5: for me to be down on cal or anything, He's 74 00:03:55,199 --> 00:03:56,439 Speaker 5: done a lot of good things for us, and I 75 00:03:56,479 --> 00:03:58,159 Speaker 5: think he's going to continue to do some good things 76 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:01,159 Speaker 5: for us for the future. So he's won our leaders 77 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:04,319 Speaker 5: on the defense. Uh, he's won our top communicators and 78 00:04:04,399 --> 00:04:07,279 Speaker 5: knows the defense in and out. So definitely not down 79 00:04:07,319 --> 00:04:08,879 Speaker 5: on cal Marcus. 80 00:04:09,119 --> 00:04:11,599 Speaker 4: A lot of times watching you on the sideline, defense 81 00:04:11,679 --> 00:04:15,559 Speaker 4: comes off. See you talk with Gerard and then maybe 82 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:17,199 Speaker 4: go over to some groups of whatever. 83 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: What's your communication process, what do you like to do 84 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:21,439 Speaker 1: when it comes to whether they. 85 00:04:21,318 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 4: Have a good series, bad series? Just talking to the defense. 86 00:04:24,159 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 5: So for me, no more thing is make sure that 87 00:04:26,799 --> 00:04:30,639 Speaker 5: we attack the problem plays. So that's what to attack 88 00:04:30,678 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 5: the problem plays. Try to address that so we can 89 00:04:32,599 --> 00:04:35,119 Speaker 5: get that to the player as quick as possible, because 90 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 5: you know, whether they we have guys that's on special teams. 91 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 5: Then I will wait for them to get back to 92 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 5: the sideline so we can give them. 93 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:43,199 Speaker 3: Communication before we have to go back out. 94 00:04:43,039 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 5: There there and then also get my gather my thoughts 95 00:04:45,799 --> 00:04:48,959 Speaker 5: for the next series and communicate to them what I'm 96 00:04:48,999 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 5: thinking for the next series so they can already predetermine 97 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 5: and think about what to expect going ahead. 98 00:04:54,438 --> 00:04:56,199 Speaker 4: Coach, what are the keys of defending a quarterback like 99 00:04:56,239 --> 00:04:58,558 Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson who has the highest average of the target 100 00:04:58,558 --> 00:05:00,079 Speaker 4: in the league. It's all likes to go deep, but 101 00:05:00,198 --> 00:05:02,319 Speaker 4: also can affect the game as a runner on designed 102 00:05:02,359 --> 00:05:04,198 Speaker 4: runs or just as a scrambling Yeah. 103 00:05:04,318 --> 00:05:07,238 Speaker 5: I mean I think for him, you just talk about 104 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 5: the effect of being able to run the ball, being 105 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 5: able to throw it, I mean a cannon for an arm, 106 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:17,238 Speaker 5: and actually can you know, extend plays. So I think 107 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,238 Speaker 5: you got to do a good job and making sure 108 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,558 Speaker 5: you trap the quarterback with it with your rush. 109 00:05:21,999 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: Making sure you're accounting for all lanes. 110 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:27,079 Speaker 5: And then also you have just a mix of uh, 111 00:05:27,359 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 5: you know, coverage and pressure and then and at the 112 00:05:29,558 --> 00:05:31,079 Speaker 5: same time, you got to do a good job of 113 00:05:31,119 --> 00:05:31,959 Speaker 5: tackling this guy. 114 00:05:32,599 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 3: One guy is not going to. 115 00:05:33,599 --> 00:05:35,519 Speaker 5: Be enough, and you got to make sure you you know, 116 00:05:35,799 --> 00:05:37,519 Speaker 5: wrap their arms, and you got to do a job 117 00:05:37,599 --> 00:05:40,439 Speaker 5: good job of just getting them down because he's definitely physical, 118 00:05:40,719 --> 00:05:41,999 Speaker 5: definitely can break tackles. 119 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:44,078 Speaker 3: You know, you get them out of space. 120 00:05:44,119 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 5: He can definitely run the ball and run to run 121 00:05:46,078 --> 00:05:48,118 Speaker 5: you over and not looking to shlid or anything like that. 122 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,999 Speaker 5: So like a great running back when he's running the ball, 123 00:05:51,039 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 5: and a great quarterback when he's throwing the ball, you feel. 124 00:05:56,119 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 4: Like, how do you feel like his angles. 125 00:05:57,958 --> 00:05:59,999 Speaker 5: Entering him at all right now, I think when you're 126 00:05:59,999 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 5: out there on the field, so like I think you 127 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 5: ask any NFL player at this point of the season, 128 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:07,879 Speaker 5: they're all dealing with something. So and when you put 129 00:06:07,999 --> 00:06:09,638 Speaker 5: a player out there in the field and at the 130 00:06:09,678 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 5: medical staff thinks he's good to go, then you're good 131 00:06:12,799 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 5: to go. Good that we you know, we expect you 132 00:06:14,599 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 5: to play at a high level. So at this point 133 00:06:16,599 --> 00:06:19,999 Speaker 5: of the season, I mean, uh, you know, everybody's dealing 134 00:06:19,999 --> 00:06:20,438 Speaker 5: with something. 135 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:22,879 Speaker 3: Play defensive stamps last week. 136 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:24,759 Speaker 1: But what have you seen from Alex Austen since he. 137 00:06:24,719 --> 00:06:25,639 Speaker 2: Came back from IARA. 138 00:06:25,958 --> 00:06:29,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been preparing on the practice field, mentally in 139 00:06:29,119 --> 00:06:32,398 Speaker 5: the classroom, and for me, he's doing a good job 140 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:35,879 Speaker 5: of just continue to making sure he's ready to go 141 00:06:35,958 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 5: for whatever his numbers calls. So I'm excited to see 142 00:06:38,558 --> 00:06:41,559 Speaker 5: whenever he gets his opportunity to hopefully go out there 143 00:06:41,558 --> 00:06:42,318 Speaker 5: and do well for us. 144 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,199 Speaker 4: I believe this is the first time you're going to 145 00:06:44,239 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 4: face a QB run game this season, So how much 146 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:48,399 Speaker 4: tougher is it facing that just so late in the 147 00:06:48,438 --> 00:06:50,199 Speaker 4: season when you haven't seen it yet? And what goes 148 00:06:50,239 --> 00:06:51,519 Speaker 4: into that preparation process. 149 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:54,878 Speaker 5: Yeah, It's similar to like, you know, a colle style 150 00:06:54,919 --> 00:06:57,079 Speaker 5: when you got a quarterback to be able to create 151 00:06:57,159 --> 00:06:59,999 Speaker 5: extra gaps and then you have to count for them 152 00:06:59,999 --> 00:07:02,198 Speaker 5: on every single play because he definitely has the ability 153 00:07:02,239 --> 00:07:04,518 Speaker 5: to run on every single play. So you have to 154 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:07,998 Speaker 5: be good with your reads, knowing who's force, who's the 155 00:07:08,039 --> 00:07:10,879 Speaker 5: forced player on every play, who's response for this? So 156 00:07:10,919 --> 00:07:13,479 Speaker 5: that's definitely one thing you got to, you know, pay 157 00:07:13,479 --> 00:07:15,639 Speaker 5: attention to on the early downs and really third down, 158 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:18,518 Speaker 5: on all downs really with this quarterback. So yeah, you 159 00:07:18,679 --> 00:07:21,279 Speaker 5: definitely put that into preparation with the guys, making sure 160 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:24,879 Speaker 5: who's response for what on every single play. Just making 161 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:28,279 Speaker 5: sure who's for the force, who has a quarterback, who 162 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:29,959 Speaker 5: has a dive, who has a pitch, who has this? 163 00:07:30,239 --> 00:07:32,278 Speaker 5: And who's the alley player, who's a run forced player, 164 00:07:32,599 --> 00:07:36,759 Speaker 5: like those different things, Renna Sculer, given how effected he 165 00:07:36,799 --> 00:07:38,959 Speaker 5: has to be an under field when he was, you 166 00:07:39,078 --> 00:07:41,599 Speaker 5: see that him there taking a bigger role on your 167 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:43,039 Speaker 5: defense on the more regular basis. 168 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:45,958 Speaker 3: I guess that would be to be determined. 169 00:07:47,479 --> 00:07:50,079 Speaker 4: Ron byo Cold Marcus Jones one of your best defensive players, 170 00:07:50,119 --> 00:07:51,999 Speaker 4: and obviously you know teams are going to after times, 171 00:07:51,999 --> 00:07:53,999 Speaker 4: but it seems like he always tends to finish strong. 172 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:55,719 Speaker 4: I'm wondering what do you see from what do you 173 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:56,759 Speaker 4: see from him this season? 174 00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:57,519 Speaker 1: Maybe his growth? 175 00:07:58,078 --> 00:08:00,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think each week he's continued to get better 176 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 5: for us, and so that's what we ask for our players, 177 00:08:04,599 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 5: to continue to get better or better at something. And 178 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:10,718 Speaker 5: for him, he's he's done a good job with whatever 179 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 5: we ask him to do from a team standpoint, and 180 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:17,559 Speaker 5: I think that that's good. And he's building confidence every 181 00:08:17,599 --> 00:08:20,439 Speaker 5: week within himself and he's letting the show out there 182 00:08:20,479 --> 00:08:23,919 Speaker 5: on the field on Sundays. So whether it's in the 183 00:08:23,999 --> 00:08:26,999 Speaker 5: run game, being physical tackle, being able to force the run, 184 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:30,359 Speaker 5: or in the past game to ability coverage player. 185 00:08:30,359 --> 00:08:32,919 Speaker 3: Even if he you know, get beat and coverage, the 186 00:08:32,958 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 3: ability to move on to the next play. 187 00:08:35,719 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 5: I think that's big for the corner position because it's 188 00:08:38,279 --> 00:08:40,279 Speaker 5: like everything is not gonna be one hundred percent. You're 189 00:08:40,279 --> 00:08:43,958 Speaker 5: not gonna win every matchup. You're you're playing against elite receivers, 190 00:08:44,479 --> 00:08:46,759 Speaker 5: and so for for him, he does a good job 191 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:49,399 Speaker 5: of moving moving to the next play and being able 192 00:08:49,479 --> 00:08:53,078 Speaker 5: to not affect him on on. 193 00:08:53,078 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: Really the next down. 194 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,399 Speaker 1: What is your assessment of where the pass rushes and 195 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,879 Speaker 1: those obvious past rush situations. 196 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those guys are doing good. Kean bar 197 00:09:04,199 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 3: heavion in there. Uh. 198 00:09:06,119 --> 00:09:08,159 Speaker 5: And then also you know, and all those guys who 199 00:09:08,239 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 5: have opportunity to rush, I think they're doing doing a 200 00:09:10,199 --> 00:09:12,919 Speaker 5: good job of affecting the quarterback in some type of way. 201 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:16,239 Speaker 5: And for us, it's really the marriage of Russian coverage. 202 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:18,919 Speaker 5: Good amount of these quarterbacks you face. The ball is 203 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:21,399 Speaker 5: coming out super fast. Even when you look out last week, 204 00:09:21,439 --> 00:09:24,119 Speaker 5: I mean the fastest in the league, you know, almost 205 00:09:24,199 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 5: up under two seconds. 206 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:26,919 Speaker 3: So the ball gets out so fast. 207 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:29,279 Speaker 5: So you may not think they're affecting the quarterback as well, 208 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:30,879 Speaker 5: but the ball is just getting so fast. 209 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 3: So you just how do you do that? 210 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,919 Speaker 5: Push the pocket, get your hands up, look for bad balls, 211 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 5: those different things, uh, to affect the quarterback. 212 00:09:37,719 --> 00:09:39,119 Speaker 3: It's really not all about sacks. 213 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:43,159 Speaker 5: It's about really the different ways of which I just said, 214 00:09:43,199 --> 00:09:46,039 Speaker 5: pushing the pocket, hands up, getting in front of the quarterback, 215 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 5: flushing them out at times, those different things where even 216 00:09:49,719 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 5: if you put the linemens into the quarterback's lap, those 217 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:54,999 Speaker 5: are all ways to you you can affect the quarterback too. 218 00:09:56,319 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: You're seeing the. 219 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 4: Fall kid on that fast, does that lead you to 220 00:10:01,079 --> 00:10:04,919 Speaker 4: want your corners to play more physical at the line. 221 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,759 Speaker 3: Well, it yeah to me. 222 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 5: It depends on who's the receiver, what's the coverage, and 223 00:10:11,959 --> 00:10:15,399 Speaker 5: wants to play so that that's uh, that's a combination 224 00:10:15,479 --> 00:10:16,759 Speaker 5: of factors on that. 225 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:21,879 Speaker 3: Good. All right, Happy Thanksgiving. 226 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:26,879 Speaker 2: Patriots Playbook join John Brook as he brings you all 227 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:29,919 Speaker 2: the latest Patriots Talk, an expert commentary direct for Patriots 228 00:10:29,959 --> 00:10:33,159 Speaker 2: a The show features interviews with New England and Opponent 229 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 2: Beat writers that bring you a unique media view of 230 00:10:35,359 --> 00:10:36,279 Speaker 2: the state of the team. 231 00:10:36,159 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 3: Be where the Patriots are concerned. 232 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing done and let's get it 233 00:10:40,239 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: done right, and then we can worry about versatility. Am 234 00:10:43,439 --> 00:10:46,159 Speaker 1: I lying to anybody here? Let's just get one thing done. 235 00:10:46,239 --> 00:10:48,879 Speaker 1: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can 236 00:10:48,999 --> 00:10:51,039 Speaker 1: move along. That's kind of my biggest thing. 237 00:10:51,079 --> 00:10:53,759 Speaker 2: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.