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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The It's not over yet. It's

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Speaker 1: not over yet. Head addition, as the Bengals look to

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Speaker 1: rebound from a dismal night in Cleveland as they host

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Speaker 1: the two and six Carolina Panthers on Sunday. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to team captain Michael Thomas about the devastating

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Speaker 1: loss of chitubey Owooge and his advice to the youngsters

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Speaker 1: who are now getting thrown into the fire. It's a

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Speaker 1: must listen conversation. I'll also chat with Adam Rank from

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Speaker 1: the NFL Network and NFL dot Com, who says the

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Speaker 1: Bengals are still the team to beat in the AFC

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Speaker 1: North and finally, in our Know the Faux segment, we'll

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Speaker 1: get the latest on the Panthers from their radio voice,

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing since leftover Halloween candy. We live at

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Speaker 1: the end of a cul de sac and in recent

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Speaker 1: years haven't received many tricker treaters. Still, you have to

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Speaker 1: healthy supply of Reese's cups and kit kats. I was

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Speaker 1: obviously in Cleveland on Halloween night this year, and when

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Speaker 1: Now let's get to football. Chitubeya Wouje tore his ACL

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Speaker 1: on Monday night and we'll miss the rest of the season.

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus has him graded is the twenty fifth

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Speaker 1: best corner in the league this year, ranking number two

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Speaker 1: last season behind the Rams Jalen Ramsey. Here's defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: You know that doesn't happen these days. And he's tells

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Speaker 1: injury occurred late in the second quarter on a night

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Speaker 1: where the Bengals others star corner Eli Apple was out

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Speaker 1: his hamstring that left the Bengals with rookie cam Taylor

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Speaker 1: At the Cincinnati thirty five Cam Taylor Britt gambelled. He

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Speaker 1: the Bengals have real issues at cornerback. Eli Apple told

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Speaker 1: For perspective on the injuries in the secondary, I turned

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Speaker 1: many duties as one of the Bengals captains. Michael had

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Speaker 1: occurred to me when you went out for the coin

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Speaker 1: the other team almost always defers. That's the way I

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Speaker 1: time that Cincinnati was the San Diego of the Midwest,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'll be the judge of this in

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Speaker 1: southern California. And then I went there and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I kind of get it. I get the vibe. I

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Speaker 1: understand the weather is obviously different, but I get it.

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Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from. So I was. I

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Speaker 1: was enthralled with the city. I love the fan base,

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Speaker 1: I love the enthusiasm, and of course, you know, coming

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Speaker 1: off a Super Bowl appearance will do that for you.

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Speaker 1: But then you got around the team. I really like

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Speaker 1: the crew of players that they put together, and you go,

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Speaker 1: you get to bounce around some training camps and you

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Speaker 1: get to spend some time with some of the players,

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Speaker 1: and I really like the core of the players. I love,

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Speaker 1: I love what Zach Taylor's got going on. It felt

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Speaker 1: like a really good vibe. I really was impressed, you know,

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Speaker 1: with this Bengals team. Again. I felt like, you know, again,

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Speaker 1: when you're coming off a Super Bowl appearance, you know,

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Speaker 1: things change. You know, we've all seen major league Charlie

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Speaker 1: Sheen shows up the next year all corporate, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't get that from the Bengals. And I really do

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Speaker 1: believe that this team is very talented, and I still

446
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Speaker 1: think that they're slept on. Like that was the one

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Speaker 1: takeaway too. It's like this Bengals team in training camp

448
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: was better than the training camp team of last season,

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Speaker 1: and I think the similar thing can happen as well,

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Speaker 1: because there's way too many talented players on that offensive

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Speaker 1: line to be given up this Manny Sacks And I

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Speaker 1: know it looks dire right now and it doesn't look good,

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Speaker 1: but I again, when you look at the talent, you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's there. And I know that it's disappointing not seeing

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase play right now, but you still have a

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Speaker 1: really good receiving Corps. I think that Hayden Hurst was

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Speaker 1: a great pick up during the offseason. Love Tyler Boyd,

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Speaker 1: loved t Higgins, And again, it's just a matter of

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Speaker 1: getting it going. And Joe Mixon can't be held down

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Speaker 1: forever like that's an anomaly the way he's not getting

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Speaker 1: it going. But again, we get paid too much money

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Speaker 1: to go out there and overreact each and every week

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Speaker 1: to these small, little occurrences. But we know that when

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Speaker 1: it comes time to shine that this Bengals team has

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Speaker 1: proven that they can beat anybody. The Bengals host the

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Speaker 1: Panthers this Sunday at one o'clock. Do you have a

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Speaker 1: key or keys for the Bengals to come away with

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Speaker 1: a win. Well, the one thing that you should note,

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Speaker 1: and this doesn't bode well when you're in you're looking

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Speaker 1: at the division record, but three of the Bengals losses,

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Speaker 1: as you're very aware, come in the NFC North and

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Speaker 1: or AFC North. Excuse me, you got it. But they've

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Speaker 1: been very good outside of the division, which is cool,

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Speaker 1: but you got to start winning some of those division games.

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Speaker 1: Number one. Number two, though you've got a pretty good

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Speaker 1: handle on the Panthers. I think you're two and oh

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Speaker 1: against this Panthers team recently, and the Panthers have played

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Speaker 1: much better football as of late, ever since they traded

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Speaker 1: away Christian McCaffrey and they elevated PJ. Walker to their

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback. He was a player that I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: was kind of overlooked. You talk to anybody who ever

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Speaker 1: played with PJ. Walker who was down in Caroline, and

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Speaker 1: I've had the benefit of working with Steve Smith and

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Speaker 1: Thomas Davis. They love PJ. Walker, So I think that

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Speaker 1: he's a better quarterback than people are given him credit for.

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Speaker 1: They have some quality running backs. I think Deonte Foreman

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Speaker 1: is a lot better than people think of. Choba Hubbard

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Speaker 1: will return this week, and of course DJ Moore is

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Speaker 1: one of the elite talents and wide receiver who's never

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Speaker 1: really seemed to take off, but has been over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks been playing exceptionally well. So this

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Speaker 1: is going to be a test once again for this

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Speaker 1: Bengals secondary, who last week had a little bit of

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Speaker 1: trouble stopping Amari Cooper. DJ Moore is kind of in

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Speaker 1: that category too. They have to play much better at

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Speaker 1: stopping Dj Moore. You gotta play better against the run.

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Speaker 1: Deonte Foreman is not Nick Chubb, but still that guy

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Speaker 1: is a good player, and if you allow him to

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Speaker 1: get you into that second level, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a problem. But I think we'll see a renewed effort

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Speaker 1: from the Bengals this week. And as long as you

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Speaker 1: slow down, Dj Moore, I think you'll be okay. It's

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Speaker 1: not going to be the walkover. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of Bengals fans probably looked at this game in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: We're like, well, this is a win. Realize that this

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Speaker 1: is a better people than a better team than people

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Speaker 1: are giving them credit for. But I do believe the

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Speaker 1: Bengals will put it together. And by the way, protect

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. That's the one good thing. You know. The

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Speaker 1: Panthers have some talent on the defensive line too, protect

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Speaker 1: that quarterback, Adam Rank. The Chamber of Commerce appreciates the

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Speaker 1: kind words about our city, and I appreciate you doing

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Speaker 1: this today. Thanks so much for your time, Keep up

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Speaker 1: the good work. Thanks so much for having me, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully you know I'll be out in Cincinnati soon and

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Speaker 1: if so, we'll have to have to hook up and

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Speaker 1: maybe go catch a ball game or two. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: this week's Know the Faux Segment. The Panthers are two

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Speaker 1: and six. They fired their coach Matt Rule and bench

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Speaker 1: their quarterback Baker Mayfield after five games and replace them

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Speaker 1: with Steve Wilkes and p J. Walker. They should be

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Speaker 1: two and one since those changes, but managed to lose

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Speaker 1: in overtime to the Falcons last week in a game

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Speaker 1: that Carolina here to have one twice. Panther's radio voice

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Speaker 1: a Niche Shroff, discussed that wild finish and the state

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Speaker 1: of the team when he joined Dave Lapham and me

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Speaker 1: on the Bengals Game Plan Show. There was a point

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Speaker 1: where it looked like the Panthers were in control of

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Speaker 1: the game, and then you know, the Falcons get a

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Speaker 1: pick six before halftime, and then towards the end of

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Speaker 1: the game, Yeah, the Panthers are backed up. It's fourth down,

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Speaker 1: and long. They really had no choice but to go

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Speaker 1: for it. They don't get it. The game seems all

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Speaker 1: but lost, and then Falcons go three and out. They

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Speaker 1: gotta kick a field goal, so that kept the margin

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Speaker 1: at six and then sixty two yards. P J Walker

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Speaker 1: to DJ Moore ties the game here, you are thick

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Speaker 1: in thirty four thirty four, twelve seconds left. You kick

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Speaker 1: an extra point, you'll win. You're in first place. DJ

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Speaker 1: took his helmet off. Fifteen yard penalty assessed on the

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Speaker 1: pat which is now forty eight yards. It's a missed pat.

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Speaker 1: You go to overtime, you get an interception, You got

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Speaker 1: another chance at a game winning field goal, you missed that,

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Speaker 1: and then the Falcons go down and score. So there

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Speaker 1: were so many opportunities to win. There were so many

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Speaker 1: opportunities where it looked like the game was lost in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. It was a microcosm of the

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Speaker 1: entire Panthers season. Probably within the last four or five

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Speaker 1: minutes of the game. You know, it seems like Steve Wilkes.

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Speaker 1: The players seem to love this guy. I mean the energy, enthusiasm,

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Speaker 1: the level of play. It's like, okay, they feel like

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Speaker 1: he got a raw deal. It seems like, you know,

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Speaker 1: in Arizona going three and thirteen and getting getting blown

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Speaker 1: up after just one year, and he's obviously been with

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Speaker 1: the Panthers organization for a while. Now he's back, and

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Speaker 1: it just seems like the relationship he must have those players,

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Speaker 1: because man, they're playing hard for this dude, am I

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Speaker 1: on face? There is a fact. No, there's definitely been

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Speaker 1: a power change. And yeah, this is no slide against

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Speaker 1: Matt Rule, but Steve Wilkes, when he was hired in

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Speaker 1: the offseason to be the defensive backs coach, came to

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Speaker 1: Carolina with significant currency with the fan base, something Matt

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Speaker 1: Rule just did not have. He was the defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: when the Panthers were winning, when they went to a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He's a Charlotte native. He played his college

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Speaker 1: city of Charlotte. So people within this city, the fan base,

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Speaker 1: they were rooting for Steve Wilkes. And really the unsaid,

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Speaker 1: unspoken thought within the building when he was hired was

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Speaker 1: if the Panthers get off to a bad start, you

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Speaker 1: might see Steve Wilkes as the interim head coach. That's

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Speaker 1: what transpired. And David Tepper, the owner of the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: the day before Steve Wilkes had his introductory press conference,

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Speaker 1: said if Steve Wilkes does an incredible job, he's going

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Speaker 1: to have every opportunity to be the next head coach

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Speaker 1: of this football team. Well, what you saw against Camp

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Speaker 1: Bay a couple of weeks ago, where they've got Brady

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Speaker 1: and I know their offensive line isn't the same, and

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Speaker 1: I know Brady maybe not, you know, it might not

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Speaker 1: be the same quarterback, and he's going through his own thing,

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Speaker 1: and the offense has added struggles. But that was a

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Speaker 1: couple of days after they traded Christian McCaffrey. They had

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Speaker 1: traded Robbie Anderson earlier in the week. They were down

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Speaker 1: JC Horn and Jeremy Chin, their top two defensive backs,

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Speaker 1: and they dominated Tampa Bay to the tune of twenty

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Speaker 1: one to three, and did so with a fourth string quarterback.

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Speaker 1: In my book, that counts is incredible given where the

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Speaker 1: Panthers were going into that game, and then even against

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Speaker 1: Atlanta they showed fight, they came back. There's a different feeling,

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Speaker 1: there's a different temperature right now around this team. And

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Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes has a lot to do with it. We

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Speaker 1: are chatting with a nice Shroff, the voice of the

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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. P J. Walker's going to start at quarterback

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Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon. I saw this guy against the University

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Speaker 1: can't say I'm shocked by how well he's been playing

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Speaker 1: for Carolina, But how has he kept the starting job

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Speaker 1: and has he been a legitimate upgrade from how Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield was playing early in the year. Yeah, the reality, Dan,

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Speaker 1: is this the Panthers quarterback play for the first five

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Speaker 1: six weeks. The season wasn't just bad, it had been

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Speaker 1: historically bad. You look at Baker's QBR, it's sub twenty.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the lowest, if not the lowest, since

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Speaker 1: ESPN had been charting QBR. PJ. Walker was not supposed

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Speaker 1: to be on this team. If guys didn't get hurt.

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Speaker 1: You go back to the preseason, Matt Corral their third

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Speaker 1: round pick out of old Miss liszt Frank injury out

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Speaker 1: for the season. They were going to take three quarterbacks, Baker,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold and Matt Correll. Well, when Carrel got hurt,

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Speaker 1: PJ was still the odd man out. They were just

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Speaker 1: going to take two guys, Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 1: Then Sam Darnold gets hurt and PJ makes the roster.

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Speaker 1: Baker was not very good when he started. PJ came

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Speaker 1: they really unleashed him. They let him throw the ball

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Speaker 1: down the field. They didn't do that in the first

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Speaker 1: game against the Rams, and he made some plays with

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Speaker 1: his arm. He's got the ability to make some plays

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Speaker 1: with his feet. Long term, who knows, there's still a

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Speaker 1: lot of season left, but by far PJ Walker deserves

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Speaker 1: to be the starter, at least for the foreseeable future,

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Speaker 1: given his play compared to what quarterback play was before

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Speaker 1: he took the reins. Defensively, this football team is solid

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Speaker 1: and sound. And I'll tell you watch you watch some

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Speaker 1: I mean, this dude like he's making every play. And

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Speaker 1: then I start looking at stats. Forty total tackles, tied

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Speaker 1: passes broken up, He's deflected six balls, that leads the team.

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Speaker 1: It's number one in the NFL amongst defensive linemen. This

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Speaker 1: dude makes play after play after play unbelievable. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Derek Brown because he does

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Speaker 1: not get talked about nationally. And having watched him through

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Speaker 1: these first seven eight games, the biggest differences. He's been

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Speaker 1: consistently good. He showed flashes his first two years with

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. Remember it's not like he's some undrafted free agent.

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Speaker 1: This guy was a legitimate, bonafide top ten pick out

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Speaker 1: waiting for him, and there were questions even going into

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Speaker 1: this season. Is Derek Brown a real star? Is he

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Speaker 1: just a guy, you know, a starter on maybe a

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Speaker 1: second division team? Do they know what Derek Brown is?

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Speaker 1: He's been a bonafide all Pro up until this point.

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Speaker 1: He's been their best player offense, defense, special teams. He's

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Speaker 1: reaked havoc. Even some of the turnovers that the Panthers

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Speaker 1: forced earlier this season, Derek Brown was the reason they happened.

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Speaker 1: If you go back to the Saints game, there was

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Speaker 1: a scoop and score for a touchdown. The guy that

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Speaker 1: blew the play up was Derek Brown. So he has

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Speaker 1: had a hand in just creating chaos. He's been an

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Speaker 1: agent of chaos. Yeah, I've called him a human tempest

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Speaker 1: on the air. And the guy again can move in

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Speaker 1: a way that guys at his size should not be

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Speaker 1: able to move. But he's been winning the point of

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Speaker 1: attack consistently for the Panthers all season, and he's here's

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Speaker 1: my final question for you, Caroline, is two and six.

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Speaker 1: So you look at that record and you think, well,

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Speaker 1: they're they're probably looking at a top ten draft pick

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Speaker 1: next year. But nobody in the NFC South has a

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Speaker 1: winning record. You've got a winning record in your division.

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Speaker 1: You're two and one, You've got wins over Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: and the Saints. Ye, so is the feeling. Yeah, our

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Speaker 1: records two and six? So what seven men? Seven wins

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Speaker 1: might get you into the playoffs this year? In the South,

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Speaker 1: somebody has to win the division. And I'm gonna quote

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Speaker 1: Homer Simpson default the two greatest words in the English language.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a classic Simpsons episode where they're vying

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Speaker 1: to go to space and any Gumble gets drunk the

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Speaker 1: night before and they say mister Simpson, by default, you're

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Speaker 1: the guy that's going to go on this NASA trip.

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Speaker 1: And he starts screaming default, default, the two greatest words

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Speaker 1: in the English language. Well, somebody, by default is gonna

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Speaker 1: win the NFC South and go to the postseason. And

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Speaker 1: right now, the Bucks have not been inspiring. I know,

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Speaker 1: the Panthers have had their struggles. Obviously, the Saints haven't

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Speaker 1: been inspiring. The Falcons don't trust their passing game at all.

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Speaker 1: It's a run heavy team and they're really beat up

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Speaker 1: in the secondary. They've got the worst pass defense in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. So nobody in this division has shown that

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Speaker 1: they've got any staying power right now. Nobody really made

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Speaker 1: any notable moves, you know, in the last day or

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Speaker 1: so with the trade deadline there, so it's wide open.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the Panthers remaining schedule, I

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Speaker 1: think the Cincinnati games an interesting barometer because at the

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Speaker 1: outset of the season, and at least early on you say,

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Speaker 1: whoa AFC champions on the road? I don't know. And

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Speaker 1: now you look at Jamar Chase being out, the injuries,

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Speaker 1: you guys have had a specially on defense, especially in

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Speaker 1: the secondary. That game probably looks a lot more winnable

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Speaker 1: than did it just a few weeks ago. You know,

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Speaker 1: U Foreman has had back to back hundred yard rushing days.

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Speaker 1: He's played well. PJ Walker's played well. DJ Moore has

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Speaker 1: played well. And I think you know, as a former lineman,

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Speaker 1: I like to look up front at the offensive line

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Speaker 1: and what you guys have done. Sixth pick of the draft,

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Speaker 1: first round, six pick of the draft, and the Shears

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Speaker 1: draft to left tackle. The left guard was drafting the

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Speaker 1: third round to potentially play left tackle. He's kicked into guard.

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Speaker 1: You got a free agent from the Ravens at center.

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Speaker 1: You have a free agent from the Rams at right guard,

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Speaker 1: and then your right tackle as a third rounder back

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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. It's a solid offensive line. And I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you what it looks like. When you need yards,

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Speaker 1: you have to have it run to that left side.

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Speaker 1: It looks like that left side is pretty athletic and

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Speaker 1: fairly dominant. In my off base there, no, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: The old line a season ago was bad. It was

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Speaker 1: awful at times. It was a sieve. They weren't great

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Speaker 1: in pass bro they weren't great in the run game. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey being out exposes you even more. They had

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Speaker 1: a priority this year in the offseason to upgrade that unit,

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Speaker 1: bringing in Bozeman from the Ravens, who's actually just been

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Speaker 1: starting the last two games, which coincidentally have been their

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Speaker 1: two best rushing performances of the season. By the way,

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Speaker 1: without Christian McCaffrey, Corbett solidified right guard. You guys saw

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Speaker 1: him with Cleveland Ikey Aquan who's the left tackle out

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Speaker 1: of NC State. They feel he could be a franchise

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Speaker 1: cornerstone and a ten year starter at left tackle. This

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Speaker 1: is a really good unit. The old line right now

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Speaker 1: is the strength of the offense. And even without McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: in Deonta Foreman, it's a little bit of a different element.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to give you the pass catching the

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Speaker 1: Christian Gabia, but he is a bulldozer and he can

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Speaker 1: move people and he can run between the tackle. You

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Speaker 1: have three touchdowns on Sunday against the Falcons. Put the

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Speaker 1: play to me, which really justified this staff's faith in

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Speaker 1: the old line was a two point conversion where they

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Speaker 1: just saiday, we're going to run it to Foreman right

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Speaker 1: up the middle, and he got the two yards when

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Speaker 1: everybody in the building knew it was coming to Foreman

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