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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to book a f Daily

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Speaker 1: with Me your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.

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Speaker 1: Over the past several weeks, since that piece of shit

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Speaker 1: in Selle Elon Musk has taken over Twitter and has basically,

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Speaker 1: you know, thrown out the window all of the protections

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Speaker 1: that were provided and should be provided by a social

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Speaker 1: media platform of its stature and of its importance, we've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of think pieces and critical analysis around

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Speaker 1: the importance of the Internet, around the importance of a

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Speaker 1: global town square, and the fact that our government, by

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Speaker 1: virtue of not understanding really truly how technology works, the

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Speaker 1: importance of social media platforms, and just you know, sheer

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Speaker 1: ignorance has allowed a maniacal, egomaniac billionaire to take over

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Speaker 1: this platform and to do with it whatever he wants.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest on wokef bridget Todd, who you may know

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Speaker 1: from the podcasts There Are No Girls on the Internet Now,

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Speaker 1: has a new podcast, The Internet Hate Machine. Her and

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Speaker 1: I get into a conversation about the importance of regulation,

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Speaker 1: around the importance of seeing platforms like Twitter as a

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Speaker 1: public utility, and the missed opportunities that our government had

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Speaker 1: and still has and is still making in regard to

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Speaker 1: how they decide to regulate this force. The theme that

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Speaker 1: I want folks to understand is that I feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the advent of social media, truly right,

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Speaker 1: like it taking hold in the early two thousands, Facebook

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Speaker 1: being I think the first, if I'm not wrong, outside

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Speaker 1: of chat rooms and those things, followed by Twitter, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, later on Instagram and TikTok and you

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Speaker 1: know all of the other ones that would bubble up

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Speaker 1: in between. Twitter has stood alone in terms of the

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Speaker 1: power that this platform has had, The power it has

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Speaker 1: had for community organizers, the power it has had for activists,

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Speaker 1: for potential elected officials, for elected officials, for the presidents

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Speaker 1: of the United States. It has been a place in

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Speaker 1: real time where you go to find out what is happening,

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Speaker 1: not only in this country, but around the world. We

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Speaker 1: learned about activations like the Arab Spring that took place

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Speaker 1: in the earlier two thousands. We learned about what was

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Speaker 1: happening in Ukraine, in Iran, in China. Because of social media,

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Speaker 1: journalists have been able You've been able to follow them

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Speaker 1: in real time as they're on the ground in crisis

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Speaker 1: situations like in Ferguson. You know Ferguson and what happened

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Speaker 1: there is a prime example with the murder of Mike

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Speaker 1: Brown that had it not been for on the ground

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Speaker 1: eye reporters tweeting and people beginning to follow in live

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Speaker 1: recording and periscoping what was happening in Ferguson, it would

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Speaker 1: have never been picked up by cable news and national

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Speaker 1: news outlets. It would have been yet another violent act

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Speaker 1: that was contained to the community that it was happening in,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to being blown up as a national crisis

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Speaker 1: and incident. You look at George Floyd, right and the

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Speaker 1: fact that this begat an entire summer of activism because

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Speaker 1: of the ability of those on the ground to film

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Speaker 1: what was happening and then to be able to send

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Speaker 1: those videos out into the universe. Without a robust Twitter,

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Speaker 1: we would have never had those activations. And so when

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Speaker 1: people say things like, well, Elon Musk is stupid and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing, Elon Musk knows exactly

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Speaker 1: what the fuck he is doing. He is a white supremist,

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Speaker 1: in sell fucking misogynist, patriarchal piece of shit. I wish

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Speaker 1: I could form an opinion he took over this platform

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Speaker 1: because like the greedy ass billionaire he is, he, much

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Speaker 1: like his ilk, do not want the people to organize,

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Speaker 1: do not want the people to unite, do not want

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Speaker 1: those that have traditionally been marginalized and oppressed to have

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Speaker 1: a voice and to develop a community of followers, right,

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Speaker 1: Because then you know what that means. It means that

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Speaker 1: those that are at the top lose power because the

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Speaker 1: power is being taken back by the people. And how

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Speaker 1: fascist regimes like the Republican Party and Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: Maga Dum. You take away the town square, you take

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Speaker 1: away a key to their organizing, right. That is what

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk has done. And so when you look at

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Speaker 1: incredibly successful. Because when people like myself right and many

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Speaker 1: of racism and misogyny that is now part of Elon

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Speaker 1: to disperse and then figure out where they're going to

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Speaker 1: go next to unite. That was the point of Elon

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Speaker 1: Todd delves into that and what it is, if anything,

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Speaker 1: that the people can do to hold onto their voice

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Speaker 1: I am very excited to bring to Woke. F bridget Todd,

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Speaker 1: who is tech guru extraordinaire, is the host of the

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Speaker 1: award winning podcast There Are No Girls on the Internet,

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Speaker 1: and of the new pod, which my God couldn't have

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Speaker 1: dropped at a better time, The Internet Hate Machine. Bridget

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Speaker 1: let me just tell you that first, congrats on all

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Speaker 1: of the accolades with There Are No Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: It has been It's so wonderful when I see black

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Speaker 1: women winning in spaces that we don't normally win in

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Speaker 1: look like us that exist in this tech space. So

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, shout out for that.

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Speaker 1: But your new pod comes at a time when the

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Speaker 1: billionaire troll Elon Musk has taken control over the world's

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Speaker 1: town square. And now all of a sudden, it seems

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Speaker 1: over the last several weeks that people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: my Twitter actually is important. It isn't just a social

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Speaker 1: media you know platform that it is really a source

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Speaker 1: for organizing and activism and journalism. So, you know, before

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Speaker 1: we dive in, you know, I want to get a

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Speaker 1: sense of, you know, why you started this new pod,

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Speaker 1: right and is it and was it provoked by the

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Speaker 1: impending you know cell that now has actually happened of Twitter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me and that for that world,

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Speaker 1: welcome the podcast. So it was already in the work,

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Speaker 1: and because I feel like I could sort of see

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Speaker 1: the writing on the wall, I was already you know,

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Speaker 1: pitching and thinking about some of the concepts that we

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Speaker 1: that we discuss on Internet Hate Machine before Elon officially

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Speaker 1: actors and like charlatans and extremists, gamifying conversations and hijacking

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Speaker 1: conversations about its sensitive topics or topics that people really

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Speaker 1: need to have conversation on, Like I could sort of

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Speaker 1: ways that these platforms should be designed and set up

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Speaker 1: to organize, to connect with one one another, have community,

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Speaker 1: want to you know, hijack and disrupt. So I could

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk actually bought Twitter, when we were in production

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Speaker 1: right right. You know, It's just I think that for

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Speaker 1: far too long, the folks have said that, you know,

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Speaker 1: Twitter is toxic. Twitter is a toxic space, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and and there were there had been moments where major

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Speaker 1: things would happen. You profiled one of them, um on

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Speaker 1: the Internet hate machine, Leslie Jones, and you you profile

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Speaker 1: and and I want to allow you to the space

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Speaker 1: to tell the Willkaf audience about exactly that, which I'm

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Speaker 1: sure many you know, everyone remembers. But Leslie Jones, you

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Speaker 1: and she had been one of those people that were

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Speaker 1: using Twitter in a way that was enjoyable, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: we all wanted to follow her because, you know, her

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Speaker 1: Then here comes along this motherfucker, Milo, the white supremicist

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Speaker 1: I never pronounced his last name, right, and I don't

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Speaker 1: other reason than the fact that she's black. She's a

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Speaker 1: so I just want you to go into using her

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Speaker 1: to what regular people, regular you know, folks that happened

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Speaker 1: hands of white supremas, of misogynists, of these horrible trolls.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you put it that way. I

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Speaker 1: think that so often people hear the story of what

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Speaker 1: if they could be harassed and abused in these ways

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Speaker 1: just her being you know, people saying mean things to

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Speaker 1: which is a crime, you know. So it's it's these

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Speaker 1: saying mean things to her. But if someone is famous

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that that's how you put it. I

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Speaker 1: also think that the story of Leslie Jones being harassed

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Speaker 1: and a targeted harassment campaign by Milo, it actually doesn't

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Speaker 1: start with Milo. It starts with Steve Bannon, because Steve

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Speaker 1: I think that that's right, And I'm so glad that

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Speaker 1: I believe in door knocking and I believe in phone calls,

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Speaker 1: the ability to go viral is what allows people to

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Speaker 1: have a fighting chance in our democracy. Right, So what

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Speaker 1: do you what would your advice, your message, your warning

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Speaker 1: be to them. Yeah, I would say, I mean, what

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Speaker 1: a good question first and the foremost, I take it seriously.

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Speaker 1: I do think that we're still We're coming out of

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Speaker 1: still in a place where for a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: like what happens on the internet is not real life,

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Speaker 1: and we need to really get away from that notion

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Speaker 1: same in twenty twenty two, and I would say, really

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Speaker 1: start being able to speak to it when a woman

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Speaker 1: of color or a black woman is harassed or abuse

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Speaker 1: on the internet, right, Like case and point, when I

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Speaker 1: remember when Kamala Harris was first being talked about as

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Speaker 1: Biden's VP pick, I really I was obviously excited about that,

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Speaker 1: but I was a little disheartened to see that there

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Speaker 1: willing to openly talk about the kinds of harassment, like racist,

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Speaker 1: sis harassment that she was going to face, right, and

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Speaker 1: so they just say like, oh, well, we want to

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Speaker 1: support her, like we like her leadership this and that

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Speaker 1: talk openly about it, normalize talking openly about the reality

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Speaker 1: that you are setting Black women up to face when

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Speaker 1: you are supporting their leadership. Same thing with Katanti Brown Jackson.

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Speaker 1: I was a little again, a little disheartened to see

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Speaker 1: the kinds of obvious racialized, sexualized, gendered disinformation, misinformation and

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Speaker 1: harassment that she was facing online. I was a little

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Speaker 1: sad to see that folks in the administration weren't calling

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Speaker 1: it out the way that they should have. And so

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Speaker 1: I would say, first and foremost, start talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Don't dance around it, don't use ethemisms, call it out

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Speaker 1: directly and normalize it. Normalize calling it out, and normalize

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Speaker 1: saying like, we're not going to tolerate this, we see

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Speaker 1: what it is. Your little dog whistles online aren't going

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Speaker 1: to work. We're not going to stand here and allow

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Speaker 1: for racist, sexist harassment of our elected officials. And so

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Speaker 1: I think we're not even there yet. We're still in

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Speaker 1: a place where people they don't openly acknowledge it. It's

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Speaker 1: just like this thing that we all have to see

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Speaker 1: happening and do not have verbalized in a real way. Well,

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Speaker 1: Bridget I just you know, I continue to commend you

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Speaker 1: for the work that you do in this tech space

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Speaker 1: to elevate the issues that are facing marginalized communities to

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Speaker 1: give voice and to the needs right and also to

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Speaker 1: just engage more women, communities of color, queer people to

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Speaker 1: get involved and to take up space in this digital space. Folks.

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Speaker 1: The pod is called the Internet Hate Machine and you

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Speaker 1: must check it out wherever you get your podcasts. Bridget,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time for woke

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Speaker 1: aff We appreciate you. Oh, I appreciate you so much,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for all that you do, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for your You have a very engaged audience that

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Speaker 1: you've built, so thank thanks all around. Thank you. That

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Speaker 1: is it for me today, dear friends, Aunt woke f

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Speaker 1: as always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power,

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Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.