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Speaker 2: my next guest is an author, a former special operations operator.

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Speaker 2: His name is Sean Haggerty. Welcome to the show, Sean,

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Speaker 2: Thanks appreciating having me back.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, welcome to be bag. Glad to have you back.

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Speaker 2: Now, just to bring my guests up to speed about you,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna read your bio from Sean Haggerty or excuse me,

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Speaker 2: author Sean Haggerty dot com.

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Speaker 3: Sound cool, sounds cool? Okay? Where's it at? Okay, Let's

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Speaker 3: see Sean Haggerty author.

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Speaker 2: Sean Haggerty is a retired special operation soldier with over

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Speaker 2: He received several awards and decorations throughout his career, including

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Speaker 2: the Three Bronze Stars not the Bronze Star Three Bronze Stars.

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Speaker 2: Sean currently works for the Department of Defense Science Board

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Speaker 2: as the Senior Advisor the Defense Science Board. DSB is

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Speaker 3: Did I say that right? Geospatial Intelligence Agency caught me off? There?

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Speaker 2: There children and Courtney, Travis, Samantha and the lady all

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Speaker 2: a shout out. Rowan Jamison and Wren Keep Sean and

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Speaker 2: misty busy Grandpa, Sergeant Major Huh let me keep reading.

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Speaker 2: Sean Haggerty has combined over twenty five plus years of

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Speaker 2: instincts from years of academic pursuits in history to tell

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Speaker 3: The story was written.

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Speaker 2: This story was written mostly in the plush seats of

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Speaker 2: Carrier out in the Pacific Ocean. Cabal, the book we're

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Speaker 2: See, I see, yeah, okay, that's cool. Now when you're

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Speaker 4: And also, you remember Jones's point, I wrote completely by

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Speaker 5: But it's nice.

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Speaker 4: It's all organized chapters, so I can move chapter sixteen

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Speaker 4: Print print? Like as my curson is, it's just hot

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Speaker 2: If you're watching, we're laughing, if you're if you're listening,

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Speaker 5: The board has been eliminated.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's it's just the downsizing and general throughout throw

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've given yourself to the country for so

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Speaker 5: Go to the Pentagon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think that, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: So now it's time to be you and just uh,

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Speaker 2: I will talk about you guys all the time. Holy cow,

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Speaker 2: what a cool notepad. And and so your wife Misty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I sh'd seen it when we were we were

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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. Join the Join the twenty first century.

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Speaker 3: That's so great. So just bluetooth to your laptop and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I can just sit right here and it's happening.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not the greatest fella, or you know

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Speaker 2: I guess I want to talk about your book. But

440
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Speaker 2: that thing is pretty cool.

441
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Speaker 5: Where I go.

442
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 4: Everybody I talked to him, I'm like, hey, I'm a

443
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 4: little so let's start start a tour together.

444
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Speaker 3: Remarkable. You need to hit this dude up right here.

445
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 2: You hit Sean Haggardy up and say how can we

446
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 2: team up with you? He keeps talking about your uh,

447
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: your device there you know? And so with with over

448
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 2: twenty five years of experience and spending your younger years

449
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 2: training and conducting combat operations with the first and seventy

450
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Speaker 2: fifth Ranger Regiment, where did that lead you to, like

451
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Speaker 2: conducting those operations? Did you go into pretty much the

452
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Speaker 2: Middle East, Iraq, Afghanistan or were you doing other types

453
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Speaker 2: of theaters?

454
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Speaker 5: I did. I did a couple of trips to the

455
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Speaker 5: Middle East.

456
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Speaker 4: I've been through Iraq in the carts chain, but I

457
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 4: did a lot of work in the cognitive Africa, so

458
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 4: I've bound start on Africa a lot different working on

459
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Speaker 4: different embassies throughout those those regions.

460
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Speaker 5: So I love going there. That's one thing I missing.

461
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Speaker 2: Actually wearing a I'm actually wearing African camouflage right now.

462
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me shore here. I'll shut it here here

463
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 3: you go. Nice nice, the pinks and the pinks and greens.

464
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 3: I had to have it.

465
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Speaker 2: I'm a very that's that's at my wargame shop, Tactical

466
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 2: Airsoft Supply soft plug. You know, all my guys show

467
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: up in suits, but they're not suits, it's gear. It's

468
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 2: like I go in and Xander's wearing like some type

469
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 2: of like eerd L shorts with a leather belt with

470
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Speaker 2: some tucked in finished thing and he's all got like,

471
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: you know, like a handkerchief around his neck. And then

472
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: I go in and I've got African you know, rare

473
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: you know, gear on, and we're just looking at each

474
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: other like dude, and then we touch it, feel each

475
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 2: other's pants and shirts and things like, oh that's nice.

476
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 2: You know where we get like Miami tiger stripe, which

477
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 2: is like a pinkish bluish tiger stripe that's you know,

478
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: really a cool pattern. He's like, bro Miami, and we say,

479
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: what pattern is this? Can you guess it? So at

480
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 2: our shop, our drip is our complete loadout, you know,

481
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Speaker 2: it's like just the funkiest camouflage.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you'd didn't just like how your dressed at

483
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 3: our shop the hat, the shirt, you know, be like drip.

484
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 5: Jeez, and a T shirt. That's why I want to

485
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 5: spend my days.

486
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: Right, not a suit and a tie. Being told that

487
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Speaker 2: your jobs.

488
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 3: On the line, and you're like, well, I'm you're gonna

489
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Speaker 3: take it into yourself.

490
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Speaker 4: That pentagon man, I walked when I was still there,

491
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Speaker 4: I walked around the bag of popcorn.

492
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Speaker 5: Watching everybody's hair on fire, and it.

493
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Speaker 4: Was just they have like them or not. This administration

494
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Speaker 4: is shaking up the establishment.

495
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Speaker 5: That's for sure.

496
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Speaker 3: So it's true.

497
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Speaker 5: Huh's a feeding frenzy over there. So I'm glad. I'm out.

498
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Speaker 2: Okay, and you took that choice. You said, hey, okay,

499
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Speaker 2: I'll take it. And have they Have they paid you?

500
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Speaker 2: Are you getting paid?

501
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Speaker 4: The first one came through last week. I was like, yes,

502
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Speaker 4: this wasn't a lie.

503
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Speaker 5: I get paid. It was not a lie. Mortgage.

504
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Speaker 3: Yeah, how long?

505
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Speaker 2: Can I ask you how long that was from the

506
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Speaker 2: time that you left the job till you got your paycheck?

507
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Speaker 4: Oh, it just came like a normal patient. I'm technically

508
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Speaker 4: in the position administrative, I see.

509
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 5: So you're still getting your amatically for me. So just

510
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 5: every two weeks, Patrick supposed to.

511
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Speaker 3: Come and then it'll stop on that fifth most at

512
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Speaker 3: that time frame.

513
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Speaker 5: The thirtieth at the start of the next year, or

514
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 5: will it checks in there And I can say anyway,

515
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Speaker 5: you know, it's.

516
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Speaker 3: Like three ninety nine, right, I'll take it.

517
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 5: Take it enough, taken enough.

518
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Speaker 2: So let me tell you, I'd rather you have an

519
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: extra paycheck than that money goes someplace else.

520
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, come on.

521
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Speaker 4: I just looked at all the times when you're and

522
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 4: we used to calculate more overseas, and you know we

523
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Speaker 4: worked twenty four hours a day.

524
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Speaker 5: You know, carry it the math. Carry the one we're

525
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 5: making Like two dollars and twenty four cents an hour

526
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Speaker 5: is most.

527
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Speaker 3: No, that's funny. That's funny. You say that.

528
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Speaker 2: My dad would stay up at and would talk to

529
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Speaker 2: my mom and I'd sit around the table when I

530
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: was younger, and my Dad's like, I make two dollars

531
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Speaker 2: and twelve cents an hour, twenty four to seven a day,

532
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Speaker 2: you know, like as a Green Beret. He's like, when

533
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Speaker 2: you break down, well, these guys get paid hourly twenty

534
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Speaker 2: four hours a day.

535
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Speaker 5: Now. On the flip side, you know, I'm like a complaint.

536
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Speaker 4: When I was back home, would be like maybe show

537
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 4: up the office around ten, work out, maybe go meeting

538
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 4: the briefing, maybe go shoot at the range two and

539
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 4: then go home. And so you know, we also had

540
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Speaker 4: the perks of when you're in between missions and in

541
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Speaker 4: between training, it was like, if you got nothing to do,

542
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: open here, you know, take care of your family and

543
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 4: do your do what you need to do.

544
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Speaker 5: So I got to I can't be too flipping on that.

545
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Speaker 5: We did get a lot of time off.

546
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Speaker 3: That's funny, that's funny, but still two something an hour.

547
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Speaker 2: I want my listener out there and my viewer to

548
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Speaker 2: know that our men and women that volunteer to serve

549
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: are really you know, especially active duty, that it's a

550
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Speaker 2: twenty four hour, seven day a week gig that sometimes

551
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Speaker 2: I think, right now, I think E one's going into

552
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: boot camp get like one thousand or eleven hundred dollars

553
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Speaker 2: a month.

554
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if the currents pay scilles, even

555
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 4: the you're senior. So when I was in when I

556
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Speaker 4: got up to be a star major, I worked at

557
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 4: the op shop. I mean yeah, I mean I was

558
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Speaker 4: twenty four seven. Means that could be called any time

559
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Speaker 4: mission going on Friday night overseas I have to be

560
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: in the in the talk, monitoring or cases or anything that.

561
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Speaker 5: Was Like Jesus, this is a blot.

562
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Speaker 4: So a lot of those senior staff, I mean, even

563
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Speaker 4: at the Pentagon, they don't leave.

564
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Speaker 5: I think they just lived there.

565
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Speaker 4: I secretly think there's some barracks nowhere that most of

566
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Speaker 4: the military just stays there. But that's why they only

567
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Speaker 4: do a couple of year stints normally there and then

568
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Speaker 4: back up to the units.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like you know, I would, I mean,

570
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Speaker 2: if you are, because traffic's not the easiest to navigate

571
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Speaker 2: around the Pentagon, right, It's a pretty tough place to

572
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Speaker 2: get to.

573
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Speaker 5: You know, it is, and it isn't. I never drop it.

574
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Speaker 4: I either could have a parking spot or the government

575
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Speaker 4: would pay up to a certain amount for public transportation.

576
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Speaker 5: The bus goes right into by the front door of

577
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Speaker 5: the Penny.

578
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Speaker 3: The front door.

579
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Speaker 4: Why I canna walk up one flight of step. I mean,

580
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Speaker 4: I get on the bus forty five minutes, I'm at

581
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Speaker 4: the Pentagon and it's all covered. I don't even get

582
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 4: rained on, you know, I forget my rangeer days. I

583
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: don't want to get rained down anymore. And I just

584
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 4: walk right into the building. I mean the same thing

585
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: with the Metro. The Metro stops at the Pentagon, So

586
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 4: they really try to get everybody to use as much

587
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Speaker 4: public the transportation as possible.

588
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 2: And they when I was called during that parking lot

589
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: system that goes all the way around the whole place.

590
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Speaker 5: You'll get lost in there. You'll be out there for hours. Yeah.

591
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 4: I've driven with a friend there once or twice, and

592
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: it's like, this is miserable. Why are we you know,

593
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 4: won the traffic to get there? Yeah, why would I

594
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Speaker 4: want to do. I'd have to drive almost two hours

595
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Speaker 4: to get there and then park and walk, you know,

596
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Speaker 4: walk of days across.

597
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Speaker 5: The parking line.

598
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Speaker 2: You're trying to get there, and the bus is like okay,

599
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: parks right in front. They have like parking permit to

600
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Speaker 2: get through there and drop you off and then you're

601
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Speaker 2: on time.

602
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no exactly. So no, I never drive. Every

603
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Speaker 5: now and then I'd take.

604
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Speaker 4: My motorcycle because I could jump in the h OV

605
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Speaker 4: lane and it's straight for motorcycles and there's freight from

606
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Speaker 4: a cycle parking near the.

607
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Speaker 5: Front every now and then. But halftime, I had to

608
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Speaker 5: have a suit.

609
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Speaker 4: I mean I was like, then I got to pack

610
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Speaker 4: a bag and I got a wrinkled suit, or I

611
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: gonna wear the suit now.

612
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: Or you're like John Wick rolling down the street with

613
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Speaker 3: your suit.

614
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 5: That's not real. Stuff like bird craft and bugs on me.

615
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think about the bugs splattered all over

616
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: the suit.

617
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 5: Bro just be a mess. So I rarely did it

618
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Speaker 5: unless it was a day like I didn't have to

619
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Speaker 5: have a suit.

620
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 4: I could be like, there's a collar shirt and maybe

621
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 4: slacks or the jeans, and you know, I just.

622
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 5: Gonna be tuckle in the office all day and not

623
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Speaker 5: see anybody. Then I do it. But it was rare,

624
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 5: not the greatest.

625
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah right.

626
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: And a friend of mine was riding his motorcycle and

627
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, you know when rocks come at you

628
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: and you got to take it. And I was like,

629
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: what's the worst thing that ever hits you? He's like

630
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: a tire, like a blown out tire. Yeah, whipped him

631
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: across the chest while he was riding. And he has

632
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: like a bigger eight bars. I'm reaching up if you're

633
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: not if you're listening, I'm reaching up like motorcycle bars.

634
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: But it like whapped him across the chest doing like

635
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: sixty seventy miles an hour. I'm like, what, why did

636
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: you not die? And he's like, because I stayed on

637
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: my bike.

638
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

639
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 4: I had the same thing, but I actually ducked it

640
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 4: and went over my head. But yeah, just class the

641
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 4: top of my helmet. I was like, oh my god.

642
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 4: So every time I'm on the most like and when

643
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 4: I come up to an eight, I got it right.

644
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 4: I don't even care if it's a family. I'm not

645
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: riding next to a truck because no, really blow all

646
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 4: the time.

647
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: All the time.

648
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said it just totally blew and it

649
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: slapped him across the chest.

650
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: I was like, how did you not die? He's like,

651
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: I just held on, dude. You can't like just ra

652
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: could die even further. So not to stray.

653
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Speaker 2: Thanks listener for listening about us talking about and then

654
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: my buddy Danny getting hit in the chest with a

655
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: tire while he's riding his motorcycle and he lived. Holy cow.

656
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: Now with Cabal, do you already have you know, a

657
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: secondary or third book in the work since you're a

658
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: non starving actor.

659
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got about five or six chapters done.

660
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Speaker 4: I put it away for the last couple of weeks

661
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Speaker 4: because I'm really concentrated on social media, going add some books,

662
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 4: setting a book signing, to the podcast. So that's been

663
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: my main focus is to get to June sixth. We

664
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: just have everything on the hold of a huge launch party,

665
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 4: catering at the event of a lot of family and

666
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: friends coming in town, were open into the public. So

667
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 4: I'm really putting kind of all the eggs in the

668
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: basket for this launch and then into the festival, really

669
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: try to get some momentum and get going.

670
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 5: And good question.

671
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: What I was going to say is, Sean, is I'm

672
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: going to read a little bit about Jones's point right

673
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: here straight off of your site, a little breakdown about

674
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: the book. So you know, folks that are hearing us

675
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: have these conversations can understand a little bit about what

676
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: you're going to get into. So Jones's point. As a

677
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: special Operations soldier, Dane Cooper was trained and tested to

678
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: handle the most strenuous and dangerous situations around the world.

679
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: He was, not, however, prepared for the abduction of his daughter.

680
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: This life changing event sends him into a downward spiral,

681
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: the depths of which are unknown even to Dane. But

682
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: a lifeline, a purpose, and a path to redemption is

683
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: offered to him by a mysterious cabal where his skills

684
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: are paramount to helping others. Now investigating other grieving parents' cases,

685
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: dan us to conceal his efforts from the zeal of

686
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: an FBI agent, convinced that a vigilanti cabal exists, a

687
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: dedicated Virginia Bureau of Investigations team working parallel crimes against children,

688
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: and an elusive network of monsters at the center of

689
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 2: it all punishing the wicked. While searching for his little angel,

690
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: Dame must overcome the struggle with his internal demons for

691
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: retention and for retention of his soul. Yeah, I mean,

692
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: it's gonna just pick up, dude. So now he's helping others.

693
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, book.

694
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 4: So the second book that picked up from there, and

695
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: what's kind of second book to me was a lot.

696
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 5: More fun to write. I always say that Jones Point

697
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 5: was my original.

698
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: Superman, right, not always the most fun, but you have

699
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: to do so much background and build and kind of

700
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 4: build the storyline out and all the backstory.

701
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 5: Then Cabal you get just an explosion of this group.

702
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: New memory, some of their backstories and what brought them

703
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: together to do this well.

704
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: Let me go, let me go, let me go through

705
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: that real quick. Let me break that down.

706
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: Since I introduced everyone to Jones Point right, which is

707
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: a great book, go buy that book, and let's let's

708
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: talk about cabal. So Dan Cooper continues his mission from

709
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: Jones Point to find his missing daughter Angela, his involvement

710
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: in the mysterious group of grieving parents, and testifies and

711
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: intensifies as the Cabal becomes bolder and more brazen, from

712
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: a high profile assault upon sex traffickers in Savannah, Georgia,

713
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: to a clandestine military operation in Barbara, Somaliland Smile, Smile,

714
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: Land Okay, Barbara, Somaliland to assassinate a ruthless terrorist. Dane

715
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: continues to bring the fight to those that would harm children.

716
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: At every turn, they must stay out of the crosshairs

717
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: of Carl Blanchard's new FBI task Force and avoid being

718
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: cornered by Virginia Bureau of BCI Bureau of Criminal Investigation

719
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: special agents Patterson and Stills. But this time the Keeper

720
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: and his disciples are fighting back. The hunters have become

721
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: the prey as the Cabal is viciously attacked by an

722
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: unknown assailant, the Savage Killer is a ghost touring and

723
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: murdering them one by one as he moves his way

724
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: up the hierarchy. Dane, Sam and Jack race against time

725
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: to find his ghosts, to find this ghost and protect

726
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: their members before the club is completely eradicated.

727
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: Nobody is safe.

728
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: Now investigating other grieving parents' cases, Dane must conceal his

729
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: efforts from the zeal of an FBI agent convinced that

730
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: a vigilanti cabal exists, a dedicated VBI team working parallel

731
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: crimes against children, and an elusive network of monsters at

732
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: the center of it all punishing the wicked. While searching

733
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: for his little angel, Dane must overcome the struggle with

734
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: his internal demons. Okay again, that's the Jones that goes

735
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: into Jones Point. So I mean, dude, and I love

736
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: the covers, right. The first cover is a swing set

737
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: of Jones Point, so empty.

738
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 4: The second one actually, that was taken by my good

739
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: friend Robin mckew. She's a photographer in Barcelon and Copan, Oklahoma,

740
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: and we actually that's from lake.

741
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 5: The town is called Charlevoyd on Lake Michigan up in Michigan.

742
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 4: And yeah, went out one morning and she just starts

743
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: snapping some photos of like empty different things on the playground,

744
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 4: and that one with the slide in the whitehouse in

745
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: the background really really captured the eye of the publisher.

746
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: She's got the picture on the back covers her photo.

747
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: Also, it makes you think like the kids should be playing.

748
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: There should be kids on the beach. It should be

749
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, some some activity. Yet the kids are not there.

750
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: Where are the kids? And and also maybe a tetanus shot.

751
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are the those are the slides of our youth.

752
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 5: They don't Yes, it's hard to find those anymore. They're

753
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 5: all plastic and any really low in the ground, so

754
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 5: no one gets.

755
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: Hurt ardour metal slides. Dude, that was.

756
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 5: The way to do it, if you didn't burn, get

757
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 5: them the way down?

758
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: What was I mean? Really?

759
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: And it seems so close that it was almost to

760
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: the water, that at one point might have been close

761
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: enough to the water. But yeah, what a great captivating,

762
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: uh photo, So props to your photographer for taking that,

763
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: you know, and it does go along. Let me just

764
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: about this. I know it's kind of tough. I'm on

765
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: my phone, but if you look here, you can see

766
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: that there's like the barren swing sets. Uh, I almost

767
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 2: want to see your covers here are very like Chernobyl, like.

768
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Actually, it's just they're supposed to be I

769
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 4: mean anything with it, Like any product, you want to

770
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 4: be visually appealing, right, you don't want to have toyself.

771
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: And again, the public and the publisher is the one

772
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 4: who you know, I get like thoughts and ideas, and

773
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 4: then they're the ones that's really put it all together

774
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: and make the proofs and negotiated and it's pretty easy

775
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 4: and boom.

776
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: Now do you foresee this ever getting picked up as

777
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: a series on Netflix or something like that?

778
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: Would love it, would love it, And I will definitely

779
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: pursue that in the future. Like I said, everything right

780
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: now is just getting through this last two weeks, And

781
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 4: I said, I've got about five books signings lined up.

782
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get in back down to Fort Bragg

783
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 5: because I did a signing there before, trying to get.

784
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: Already on Fort Belvoir, so I'm trying to hit some

785
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 4: of the military installations as well.

786
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 5: One it's a lot of my target audience too.

787
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 4: It's uh, it's great because I go on these different

788
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 4: posts and I see people I haven't seen for years

789
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: and didn't know where they were stationed, you know, so yeah,

790
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: you know, kind of rekindle his old friends.

791
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing like going on base and doing fifteen miles

792
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: an hour.

793
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

794
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 5: Well, well I do. I don't think too. I just

795
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 5: got back on last month.

796
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 4: I was down in Saint Augustine for the hard Rock

797
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 4: Charlie one seven five reunion, which we do every year.

798
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 5: So I was down there for that and my livers

799
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 5: just starting to heal. Yeah.

800
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: I did not.

801
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: So they do a jump every year. I jumped last year.

802
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 4: I did not jump this year. I'm having some cyanic

803
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: issues talking to him some docs about that. I didn't

804
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: want to make it worse, but yeah, they all those

805
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: old timers and everybody, they jump, jump right out of

806
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: the right out of the plains of the river there

807
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 4: in Saint Augustine.

808
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 3: Now have you hit fifty yet? Are you a fifty year.

809
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 5: Old almost fifty two?

810
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: Fifty two? Yeah, yeah, Well you seem like you're holding

811
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: it pretty well. I'm just going to tell you that.

812
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 5: Well, thank you. I try to.

813
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 4: I try to do the best I can not to

814
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: feel fifty two.

815
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 5: I get up for the money.

816
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

817
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: Times you mentioned in the sciatic. You probably feel fifty two.

818
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because the reason.

819
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: Why I said that is because you called them all

820
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: old timers, and I'm like, but you're there.

821
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: I was one of the younger. There's some old timers there.

822
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: There's there's guys in their sixties seventies. Yeah, when they

823
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: were jumping guy's amputees. You got one my one buddy,

824
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: Chris Corbyn, he's double amputee and he jumps his working dogs.

825
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 5: Melt Long jumped. He jumped up Juliet. Juliet jumped her. Yeah.

826
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was last year. There was a

827
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 4: guy he only had one arm and we were jumping

828
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: into a lake in Florida.

829
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 5: Alligators. Of course, everyone's getting ship and he's like.

830
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: If I lose my last dependive, I was furious. The

831
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: great stuff to you.

832
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: That's funny.

833
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think you say an old timer at

834
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: the one seventy fifth is like me going to the

835
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: cheap trick on certain the other day.

836
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: I'm forty seven, and I think I was the youngest

837
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: one there. My wife and I are like.

838
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: Well, it's nice to be the youngest ones here, you know,

839
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 2: And it's like we're looking around.

840
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: Everyone's all dancing and having a good time, you.

841
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: Know, and uh yeah, that's just kind of funny going.

842
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 5: On certain cruise ships.

843
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 4: Right, You're you're the youngest one there, like Jason, I'm

844
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 4: going a lot of water.

845
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: That's so funny. Oh that's great. That's great.

846
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: Now now your junkke at circuit. You got a bunch

847
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: of things like myself lined up. I'd imagine everybody wants

848
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: to kind of get you on their shows or what.

849
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just just starting to talk to some different

850
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 4: people doing a couple of different I said, this is

851
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 4: you know, I got a couple of these guys that

852
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: like all last year we did it was great. So

853
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 4: that's why I kind of get you guys up first,

854
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 4: you know, kind of get the word out there.

855
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 5: And like I said, I'm really trying to get out

856
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 5: there as the book signs because that's where.

857
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: I feel like I can really reach a lot of people,

858
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: especially you know, I've got these big, tall banners with

859
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: the book covers on them. He's six foot tall banners

860
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 4: and usually kind of attracts people over so at least

861
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 4: I can start the conversation. It's like any product, you

862
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: think you have the greatest thing, but I'm not a salesman.

863
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: They told me how to stab something as a banet.

864
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 5: How to sell a book? Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm

865
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 5: kind of learning. How do I sell a book?

866
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: How do I They tell me how to stab with

867
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 3: a bayonet? Not sell a book? That should be a quote, No,

868
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 3: maybe a shirt.

869
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 5: No business learn interest?

870
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: So that well, it's cool that you got your thoughts

871
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: out onto paper slash. Remarkable because you know a lot

872
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: of guys just will harbor those you know, instincts to

873
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: want to write inside themselves and feel like, oh no,

874
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: it's not my thing. I shouldn't do it. I shouldn't

875
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: try today. I shouldn't try now, I'm too old, or

876
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: I've I've hit it, you know. But I think you

877
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: want to tell people, Hey, you're doing it.

878
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: You've I actually talked to probably one to two new

879
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 4: authors every week, So I've got friends who are now

880
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: writing books.

881
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 5: I better read for them.

882
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 4: Again, I don't know everything about that's always up front. Hey,

883
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I did, I'll tell you what

884
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 4: worked for me. I'll tell you where I screwed up.

885
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: Don't do that.

886
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 4: And if you want, I'm not a line editor by

887
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: any means, watch me spell but if you want development

888
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 4: or developmental day, I think you need to fix this.

889
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 4: Put a little bit more in here, put a little

890
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: bit more in here. Hey, that was a little bit

891
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: too long. As a reader, I always tell them I'm

892
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: not a professional. I'm still an amateuram and unpublished. But

893
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 4: I'll give it to you from a reader, because I've

894
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 4: always been a here a reader's point of view that

895
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 4: I like and just like in certain genres. Again, I

896
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: don't read across all genres, but so I do. I

897
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 4: do work a lot of people. I gotta call tomorrow

898
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: with a guy. I've said to everybody, they want to

899
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 4: reach out, they want to talk.

900
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 5: I won't say no. I just have to.

901
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 4: You know, when I'm here during the day, you can

902
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 4: kind of jokes, oh, you're not working now.

903
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 5: I'm at seven o'clock in the morning. I worked till

904
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 5: about nine, and I took the dogs for a quick walk.

905
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: I flipped laundry, and then I worked again until we

906
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: had the different ball. And then when we're done, I've

907
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 4: got to go mail a couple of books. Then I

908
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: gonna drop a check off at the venue for whatever,

909
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 4: and then I gotta come back and do a few

910
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: more ads.

911
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 5: On Facebook.

912
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 4: So I'm working seven to five every day, but I

913
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 4: do try to make time.

914
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 5: Anybody wants time, I'll make time.

915
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: Man, you should be doing like signings at rock shows,

916
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: like because you kind of are a rock star. So

917
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: like what I'm thinking is, like, you know, like the

918
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: Welcome to Rockville that's coming up with like all of

919
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: the big bands and like all these places. There's like

920
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: a show coming up in North Carolina and they're festivals.

921
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to do as many festivals. Again.

922
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: I've got, like I said, the SOCCA one one is

923
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: really big, and then I've got another one that's foodie,

924
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: and I think that one's in National Harbor, Maryland.

925
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 5: That's until October. So yeah, that's another thing again.

926
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: Man, so many hours of the day because I do,

927
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 4: I do try to do a hard stop at five,

928
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 4: you know, unless I'm like right in the middle of

929
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 4: stone because I got to keep work life gone.

930
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 5: I'll work at ten eleven o'clock at night and I.

931
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: Won't even know my watch here, so I gotta I

932
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 4: gotta kind of stop, hard stop and say, hey, what's

933
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 4: the point of doing this if you don't enjoy your

934
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: life outside, you know.

935
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: Like Ranger games, right or Best Ranger. Yeah, you should

936
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: be set up there with your books, right. I mean

937
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: that's like a thing that I would think would go.

938
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: I think some of those things you gotta be careful

939
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 4: because so even like the military signings and publishers like, hey,

940
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 4: make sure you get pretty pictures.

941
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 5: You can't.

942
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: This person me in uniform takes a picture of me

943
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 4: in the book that looks like uniforms endorse the book,

944
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: endorsing same thing on the USS limits.

945
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 5: I didn't bring any books because I can't. I can.

946
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 5: I can say I went to it and I got videos.

947
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: I played it on deck with the FA teams taken

948
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 4: off and was awesome, and I wrote on the book

949
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 4: I didn't advertise anything because of that. That's conflict. And

950
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: I was there as a feed so I didn't really careful.

951
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: Wait did you say a conflict of interest and you

952
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: were aware of it? Yes, you a conflict of interest?

953
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 4: And you're like, no, because I'm a peon and we

954
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: would get prosecuted. Yeah, other like politicians or all the

955
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 4: other people that can do whatever the hell they want,

956
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: you know, yeahelling secrets. I make one mistake, I'm gonna

957
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: get punished. So no, I'm not to take that hit.

958
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for holding that that that gives me faith.

959
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: So thank you for saying that you didn't advertise it.

960
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: Even if you said you did, I'd be like oblivious

961
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: to it. But then the fact that you mentioned that

962
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: it makes total sense, right. And so I'm just thinking, like,

963
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: where would it be good at, you know, to have

964
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: these shows? And I see I see other authors and

965
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: they're like, Hey, hit me up at at BUCkies, or

966
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: hit me up at this place, or hit me up

967
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: at this place. I'm gonna be there during this time.

968
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: If you're traveling through BUCkies, would be cool, right? I

969
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: think they do author book signings.

970
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, good god, that places in that house. I've stopped

971
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 5: there once.

972
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: Oh my, oh my lord. I'm telling you what. I

973
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: I'm used to large crowds. I have no problem with that.

974
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 4: Even I was like, we gotta get the hell out

975
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 4: of here, get in the bathroom. I got and then

976
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: got the hell out.

977
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 2: And you bought some of the Bucky teeth and then

978
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: you bought the ears and then you left.

979
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 5: Maybe m.

980
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's that's exactly what I'm doing right now,

981
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 4: is because I have the time.

982
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 5: Even before with Jones point I was working full time,

983
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 5: so I was.

984
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: Either using PTO or scheduled off on weekends where I

985
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 4: try not to schedule too much on weekends because I

986
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: want to see the kids and grandkids.

987
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 5: And I'm just, like I said, trying to find that.

988
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 5: I'm trying to find my.

989
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: Groove right now and I've got four and a half

990
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 4: more months to figure it out.

991
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm doing.

992
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: So that's the festival. Research is on my list of

993
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: ongoing and things I'm doing.

994
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: That's just me talking brainstorm, just thinking of a thought

995
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: for you.

996
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 5: You know, that's just like, oh, that's a great thought.

997
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: And if you're out there listening and you have a

998
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: place that you think he'd make a good fit, as

999
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 2: you know, a book signing, reach out to my man

1000
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: here Sean at author Sean Haggerty dot com and just say, hey,

1001
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: we have a place in where you know you're in Virginia.

1002
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 5: Right I'm in Virginia, but I travel every yeah, exactly,

1003
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: from Nashville. I'm going to New Orleans September.

1004
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 4: I I have no problem throwing books in the back

1005
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: of the Forerunner and drive across the country.

1006
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: No problem with boy, I kind I say this all

1007
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: the time to authors that are up and coming. But

1008
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: I heard a trick from a very famous author. Or

1009
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: let's say it's a well established author who has a

1010
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: lot of books and they trend and you know, the

1011
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: whole nine yards, and he has them in the airport's

1012
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: gift shop, right, his books are there, and he's like,

1013
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: but I always carry one with me just in case

1014
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: my book's not there. I'm like why, He's like, well,

1015
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: I'll pull it out of my bag and I'll buy it.

1016
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you talking about. He's like, well,

1017
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: my book's not on the shelf. I'll buy my book

1018
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: from the person. It'll scan because it's in their UPC system.

1019
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: It'll say last one or whatever out of stock, and

1020
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: it'll make them rework. So just you know, food for

1021
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: thought there, right, And I was like, oh wow. So

1022
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: typically they're in the store and he'll sign one, but

1023
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 2: if it's not, he'll pull his out and say I'd

1024
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: like to get this book please, and then they'll scan it.

1025
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a little all right. I like that.

1026
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 5: I like that.

1027
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah right, I'm definitely going to steal that trick and

1028
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 4: maybe other places.

1029
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gorilla Marketing, and if it doesn't ring up and

1030
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: say oh weird, okay, cool.

1031
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: Well they're like, well, I'll just.

1032
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: Buy it anyway, so you keep it.

1033
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 5: I like it.

1034
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: I like it yet, right, Yeah.

1035
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: The guy that writes his books, he's all red celled out.

1036
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: He's a red cell guy, so he's all that's his book,

1037
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: thriller books.

1038
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: You know. I want to say, his name is so bad,

1039
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop, stop, stop, stop, per se.

1040
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: I'm definitely gonna do that. But I don't think I'm

1041
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 4: gonna get in trouble over fifteen dollars.

1042
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: Let me just explain.

1043
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: I just took a big drink of my water right

1044
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: when you said something funny, and I just about spat

1045
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: it all over my entire PC.

1046
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: I just have to say, that's what that's what's just happened.

1047
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: If you're listening, well, listen, I think that you're going

1048
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 2: to have a very successful book.

1049
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

1050
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: I just everybody that comes on the show totally successful.

1051
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: This is just gonna be the biggest part of your

1052
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: career right here, is being on the show and talking

1053
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: about your cabal.

1054
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 5: I hope, so, I hope, so I appreciate you bring

1055
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 5: me on.

1056
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Dank Cooper A right, that's the name of

1057
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: your d Yeah, the Dane Cooper series. I was just

1058
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: looking at my notes here. See I write things down to.

1059
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: But I don't have a remarkable I just.

1060
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: Oh, let me just and before we started talking, I

1061
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: couldn't find my pencil sharpeners, so I had to go

1062
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: to my dad's mentality of where's my knife. I don't write, No,

1063
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: obviously I don't write. I mean, obviously I have corrections, Okay,

1064
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: my erasers like how funny. Yeah, if you saw a

1065
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: stack of my papers next to my office here, I

1066
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: have everybody's interviews all like, just your papers here, but

1067
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: the other one was Peter Linquist. And then it just

1068
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: goes on and on, generals, bear grills. Oh hey, look

1069
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: at this one. Shut the front door, Sean Haggerty. Okay,

1070
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: I just pulled it out from the middle of my stack.

1071
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: Listen is see first seventy fifth, twenty five years. This

1072
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: was the Jones point Dank Cooper notes that what's up, dude,

1073
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: And then I have then I have your new one

1074
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: here the cabal right there. I'm just saying, make sure

1075
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: reach out.

1076
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, please do that.

1077
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: And you know I've had you for a good forty

1078
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: five minutes to an hour of time. We've been listening

1079
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 2: and going back and forth and just having a great

1080
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: conversation talking about being an author, being special operations, being

1081
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: a husband, being someone who is probably.

1082
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: Counted on more than they know it.

1083
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, and uh, you know, becoming an artist,

1084
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: pulling that out of yourself, which obviously has always been there.

1085
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: You just decided to go into the military and federal

1086
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: but you've always had that in You.

1087
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 5: Just went a totally different direction.

1088
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 2: Totally different directions, right. So and a grandpa, grandpa sergeant major.

1089
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what the gray is coming from.

1090
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: I got gray, but I'm not a grandpa. But I

1091
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: like little humans. I don't really like big humans, but

1092
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: I like little humans.

1093
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like.

1094
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: I like when they're little. Then everyone's like, oh, there's

1095
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: so much fun. When they start to walk. I'm like,

1096
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: now they're get in so much trouble when they start

1097
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 4: to walk. When they're mobile, they can't get into stuff.

1098
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 3: No, and they just look at you like you're everything.

1099
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 5: Like yeah, because now they just run around like madmen and.

1100
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: Like, where's my license, where's my car, where's my phone?

1101
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: PayPal? Me some money there yet? Yeah?

1102
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: And one so I want to go to University of Oregon.

1103
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to go in state. That's to my

1104
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: daughter Sidney, she's in organ right now, go ducks. I

1105
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: don't know if you can see back here, I got

1106
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: like ducks, shoes, the ducks.

1107
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so now I'm a duck. I'm a uh.

1108
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: And that's a creeper up there, the Minecraft creeper right there.

1109
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 5: That guy Minecraft, And it's familiar that I just don't

1110
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 5: know it.

1111
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that's he's always overlooking. See the creeper

1112
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: in Minecraft is like always like creeping. Ah okay, I'm

1113
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: just saying, that's all. I like all your books you

1114
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: have that tells me that you read.

1115
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually this is actually only a portion. There's

1116
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: a ton of boxes at my old house. I just

1117
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 4: had bookshelves and bookshelves and bookshelves in here because then

1118
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: just only have so much. So most like my favorite books,

1119
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 4: and then to some of my history books and stuff,

1120
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: because I still I did a lot of studying and

1121
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 4: history as I went through college and my master's party.

1122
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 4: So I use a lot of the way historical researching,

1123
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: like techniques. So when I go back to the old

1124
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 4: books and you know, it's for you know, maintaining accuracy. Again,

1125
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: both books are almost eighty five percent written in this

1126
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 4: Virginia and the nww era and I went to every

1127
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 4: single place. Now, the couple that bopt in New York

1128
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: and Jones Point bought the Savannah in Cabal. My wife

1129
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 4: and I went to Savannah on the trip floor and

1130
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 4: I went through because I had a sniper position all

1131
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 4: picked out, and damn it if they had knocked that

1132
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 4: building down. There was an old cement factory across the

1133
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 4: river from Savannah. I walked, I walked in down and

1134
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 4: we looked right up went. I got to put him

1135
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 4: in a different location.

1136
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 5: Now that's gone. So I do go research the places.

1137
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as cool. That's cool because if it

1138
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: did become a show, there's the places.

1139
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 4: Hello, I'm doing short clips now. I'm trying to expand

1140
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: social media presence. So I've been going around the last

1141
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: couple of weeks to areas where Jones Point, Burke Lake Park,

1142
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 4: four Huntly Park, where a murder was in Jones Point,

1143
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 4: you know some things in Kabal and there doing short

1144
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 4: little clips. People see hey this is and I'll read

1145
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 4: either a chapter or two or I'll put it in

1146
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 4: the in the rite up is Hey, this is what

1147
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 4: I was talking about.

1148
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 5: You know, I do the whole abduction that one a

1149
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 5: couple of days ago. It was like five or six

1150
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 5: short clips. I walked through Burke Lake Park.

1151
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: Here's where here's the street she was on, Here's how

1152
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 4: she entered the path, here's the damn she crossed before

1153
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: she came around the volleyball courts.

1154
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 5: And I gave you the kidnappers perspective.

1155
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: This is where he was waiting, this is where he

1156
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 4: left the tainted food for, and then this.

1157
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 5: Is where she came.

1158
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: So things like that they're corny, but I feel like

1159
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: he gives nice little short clips, give people like a

1160
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 4: little bit of visual.

1161
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 5: But oh that's what he was talking about.

1162
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I can really or people can relate to

1163
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: it because it's Area's day now.

1164
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 5: You know. I went to a.

1165
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 4: Picnic like three years ago and I was just finalizing

1166
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: Jones Point and I was explaining to one of my

1167
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 4: wife's colleagues. He asked me about the book, and I

1168
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: explained the street of where Angel was kidnapped from. You know,

1169
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: I didn't say the name. I didn't don't do that

1170
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 4: in the books. I don't want God knows that the

1171
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 4: suit for something. But the guy I explained that. The

1172
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 4: guy's like, that's my street. I live on that street.

1173
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: He's the guy know exactly what you're talking about, exactly

1174
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 4: where the path cuts into the park.

1175
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, sorry about that. There might be a

1176
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 5: kidnapping and they were to go me soon.

1177
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: So I love that. I like that.

1178
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: That's that's great relations I like that knowing that your

1179
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: book has those little tidbits of technicalities in there, right,

1180
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: very Tom clancy of.

1181
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 5: You, right right. I'm but I'm trying.

1182
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm saying because like you know, my dad

1183
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: would read those books all the time when we were younger,

1184
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: and it was like and the wire was read, but

1185
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: inside of the wire was copper, and that copper was

1186
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: made from this and then that linked into the battery

1187
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: hard drive and it was just like so detailed of

1188
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: a submarine, you know, just like yeah, see I.

1189
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: Can't get that detail. I didn't do it. I just

1190
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 4: can't get that that detailed because me, as a reader,

1191
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 4: I get wah. Like I like to write too that

1192
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 4: you can read the book one way, someone else can

1193
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,479
Speaker 4: see another story in their head.

1194
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 5: I like that.

1195
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 4: I try to bring the reader in, so I'll explain things,

1196
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 4: but then I'll kind of let you envision it.

1197
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 5: That's how I like to read.

1198
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 4: I like to read where I'm following the character through

1199
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 4: their daily routine and what they're doing. You know, when

1200
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 4: I was writing at Dane's apartment, I have a friend

1201
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 4: Ray Hendrick just retired.

1202
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 5: That's right.

1203
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 4: He had a little tiny basement apartment in a DC

1204
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: walk up and that's where I made Dane live after

1205
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 4: his divorce.

1206
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 5: It's like a vision raised place. They see something different.

1207
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 4: They might be thinking, well, I lived in New York

1208
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: at one time, and the walk ups were different than

1209
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 4: the new you know what I mean. But explaining a

1210
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 4: DC townhouse with a downstairs basement apartment kind of lets everybody,

1211
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 4: whether you're in California in San Francisco, or you're in

1212
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 4: New York or townhouses in DC.

1213
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 5: Right, everybody's their own image what it is.

1214
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 4: So I get detailed, but it's not not enough to

1215
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: that you get it can't be one of those three places.

1216
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: Well, and that's the great thing about a book.

1217
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: That's what's our imagination that can just take away with

1218
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: the greatest theatrics ever inside of our own head, you know,

1219
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: and I think that's great. I like the fact that

1220
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: your buddy was like, I know that path.

1221
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: That was pretty funny. Then I filmed it the other

1222
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: day and posted it, so I haven't that I haven't

1223
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 4: talked to you about two years. And wait, a lot

1224
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 4: of hit me back up, they'll see it.

1225
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 5: That's still my path.

1226
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: So now you're a social media manager. You're a filming

1227
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: producing production company to show your shorts that you're putting

1228
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: out there so that you can entice folks to come into.

1229
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: Your to your world. You're an author.

1230
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 4: Because I manage all the money and the taxes. And

1231
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: thank god it's only two products, two books. Makes it

1232
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 4: pretty easy. Yeah, yeah, that's it. I got two books.

1233
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: I got to track expenses and track sales. That's that's

1234
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 4: not too much.

1235
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: A pseudo agent too, Probably pseudo manager as well if

1236
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: you don't have one a little bit.

1237
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 4: But my publishing company does a lot, does a lot

1238
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 4: of that. It's a small, small place, Blue Handle.

1239
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: But you got to get them right. You had to

1240
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: chase somehow.

1241
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: I mean they didn't did they come to you knocking

1242
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: on your door, like, hey, Sergeant Major, you write books.

1243
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 4: A friend of mine, his cousin was an author laked

1244
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: me up with her. She read my original draft. As

1245
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 4: your's point, Remember I originally self published that's self published

1246
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: in November of twenty three.

1247
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 5: In that meantime, the publisher.

1248
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 4: Had a copy of the book, and then by January

1249
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 4: they signed me in one and option for two more books,

1250
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 4: and then re released it of April twenty four with

1251
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 4: that cover. So my original prink you can't get anyone

1252
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 4: but my original I did myself and to another author

1253
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 4: got me into this publishing for.

1254
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: And you're so you're self published as well on that

1255
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: first book.

1256
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 4: On the first book, first book was all self published

1257
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 4: and then second edition was published bo. And that's the

1258
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 4: that's the current. That's the one that's on the Amazon,

1259
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 4: Barnes and Noble shops. That's that's the one that's album.

1260
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: The old one we got somewhere. Yeah, you can't see it, sure,

1261
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 4: it's off. It's off the shelves.

1262
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: That's called brilliant.

1263
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 4: I tell everybody's it's the limited edition. Whoever we've got

1264
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: that one, keep that one. That's the reason, the original one.

1265
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: Maybe they could send it to you through author Sean

1266
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: Haggerty dot com and maybe get a signed and you'll

1267
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: send it back to them.

1268
00:55:58,880 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 5: There you go.

1269
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you go to if you go to the website, yeah,

1270
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 4: all my my my contact informations on there for people

1271
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 4: to reach out. Plus it's all on my my social media.

1272
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 4: I have everything where people can reach out on contact.

1273
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: So you've got TikTok too, You use a TikTok now

1274
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: that you're out of the department.

1275
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm only using Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and LinkedIn most

1276
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 4: of the four.

1277
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you also have an X as well.

1278
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 5: I do, but I don't know.

1279
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: I don't even know.

1280
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 5: Argument for people of a politics, I'm not. I don't

1281
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 5: need that.

1282
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: I make funny little videos, throw them across the platforms

1283
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 4: and then LinkedIn is actually probably my is my strongest

1284
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 4: because collaboration and a lot of us my generation and

1285
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: especially being in the service, we didn't use it.

1286
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 5: I didn't have Facebook get ready to get out of

1287
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 5: the military, so.

1288
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 4: I have, right, but I always had LinkedIn, and that's

1289
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 4: how we've always stayed in touch around around the country

1290
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 4: of the world. So, I mean, I had a buddy

1291
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 4: from South Africa hit me out about the book right

1292
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 4: because he saw it on LinkedIn, So.

1293
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 5: That's that is my favorite far reaching. Probably not the

1294
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 5: way most social media is, all right, but but I'm

1295
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 5: throwing it on the other ones. I'm just I'm learning algorithm.

1296
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: Well, like Instagram allows you to share two other outlets,

1297
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: and what I've learned is that if they have, like

1298
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, a Facebook or another uh TikTok or whatever

1299
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: it is, I go and make an account there and

1300
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: then I link it with my Insta and then what

1301
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: I do is I just make one post and then

1302
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: I share it to all of them in the one post,

1303
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: and then it just automatically matches to threads.

1304
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 4: To ye you know, I use I use a buffer,

1305
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Speaker 4: and then I schedule everything across the platforms and it

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00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: just goes out automatically, and then I'm monitor so I

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00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 4: can respond to people.

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Speaker 3: Oh I love that, And that's that's buffer.

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Speaker 4: Huh, Yeah, it's called yeah buffer. It was like one's comparable,

1310
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 4: like one of those things like foot sweet. But I

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00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 4: didn't really want to spend I don't mind spending the money,

1312
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 4: but I hate spending the money as something and I

1313
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 4: know I can use I don't need this to do

1314
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 4: all these analytics and create videos and bill I don't

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00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 4: eat that and I don't need any AI. I don't

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00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 4: touch an AI. That's like to writers, that's that's promoting

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Speaker 4: yeah at all.

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Speaker 5: So this keeps me honest.

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00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like people want to make art and stuff

1320
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: and submit to us with AI and I just don't

1321
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: like it. I like, I like for my company, like hey,

1322
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: make a logo or something, it's like, oh, it's all

1323
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 2: done in AI.

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: I can totally tell.

1325
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: I think I would rather have somebody spend a little

1326
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: time and create it versus that there's a look to

1327
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: it and a taste it seems like. But but again

1328
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: to digress back to Cabal, which is the book that's

1329
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: coming out right And I've had you now for a

1330
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: solid hour and we have loved every single minute of it.

1331
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 2: And you're always welcome back, not just to talk about

1332
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: your books, but any stories that you want to tell

1333
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: anything like that. You're a welcome participant part of the

1334
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: soft ret mafia, and we love having you here. And

1335
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 2: I just want to let you know thanks again for

1336
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: regrouping with me to get back on the show today.

1337
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: It's been such a pleasure to have you.

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00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great. I really appreciate it. Fun talk.

1339
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, thank you. So much.

1340
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: And what I like to show folks is that you know, yeah,

1341
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 2: we've talked to each other before, but you can have

1342
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: a casual conversation with somebody without getting at their throat,

1343
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: without like loaded questions. Like I didn't send you any

1344
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: questions in advance. We just you're like, what's Rad gonna

1345
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: talk to me about today? Right, I'm like, what Sean

1346
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: going to bring up today? And the first morning we

1347
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: had at the beginning of the show is we got.

1348
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 3: To know what we're gonna say. So that's that's it,

1349
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 3: and here we are.

1350
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: So I just want you to go around and have

1351
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: a nice day, and I want people to be kind

1352
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: to one another and just have a casual conversation with others,

1353
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: and you don't have to get at each other's throats

1354
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: over every anything. You can just say, hey, what's up,

1355
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: how you doing? Smat out nod, Yes, exactly.

1356
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: Wow. It's such an honor to have you on the show. Sorry, Major,

1357
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 3: I just want to let you know that thank you.

1358
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

1359
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 4: And like I said, I'll stay in touch, see where

1360
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 4: this thing goes, and if nothing else, at least start book.

1361
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 4: I will make sure to hit you up who knows

1362
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 4: something may happen to.

1363
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 5: Me in the meantime, and I'll definitely let you out.

1364
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: Well, there's people out there that listen and watch the

1365
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: show because I get emails from them. And so if

1366
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: they're out there and they can help, uh, you know,

1367
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: guide you in a direction of whatever production or films

1368
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: or larger scale promotions, then hit up author Sean Haggerty

1369
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: dot com and tell him, tell him that you saw

1370
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 2: him on soft rep and with rad and and that

1371
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: you'd like to participate or help or ask some questions.

1372
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: And buy his book wherever books are sold locally. If

1373
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: his books are locally sold, buy it there first. If not,

1374
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: go online wherever you buy it, leave a review for

1375
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: it on that platform.

1376
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: Yes, please, that's what that's.

1377
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 5: The hardest people. I love them. Oh, I guess you should,

1378
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 5: dang it. I need the reviews. If you don't like it,

1379
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 5: he'll review. But what if you do the algorithm?

1380
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 3: Right?

1381
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 4: I mean, that's how we've been pumped around, And if

1382
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 4: it doesn't get the reviews, it's supposed to go anywhere.

1383
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: Right, And so I'm just gonna That's why I know

1384
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: it's so important to say it, right, Go leave a

1385
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: review for it where you buy it. If you buy

1386
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: it on the River, leave a review on the River.

1387
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: If you buy it wherever Barnes and Noble, leave a

1388
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: review there. Let others know, as well as those companies,

1389
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: that you appreciate that book.

1390
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, thanks, I appreciate you saying that.

1391
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: You're very welcome.

1392
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: And with that said, I'm going to go ahead and

1393
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 2: say thank you again to my awesome guest, which is

1394
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: grandfather Sergeant Major author Sean Haggerty.

1395
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: That's what's up.

1396
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to give a shout out to his lovely

1397
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: wife Misty, who's also Sergeant Major Misty. And uh, because

1398
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: I know that my my mom was also SF with

1399
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: my dad the whole time, so all yeah, all the time. Yeah, exactly.

1400
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: And myself. My name is Rad. And if you have

1401
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: any comments, questions or concerns about what I say, why

1402
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: don't you post up down below and see what I

1403
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: say back to you about it. Go ahead, and if

1404
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: you want to be on the show as well, you

1405
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 2: can reach out to us. Just hit the link on

1406
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 2: soft rep and submit say hey, what's going on?

1407
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 3: What's the scoop? Is what we look for?

1408
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: And you say, hey, my name is so and so

1409
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: and I'd like to be on your show and we'll

1410
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: give it a read over and see if we can

1411
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: get you on the show, just like Sean. So again,

1412
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: thank you for being on the show. And Sean, if

1413
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: you want to recommend anybody in the future to be

1414
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: on the show, feel free to do so as well.

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01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 5: I definitely will thank you.

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01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: And thank you in behalf of softwarep dot com, our

1417
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 2: merch store and our book club. Hopefully we'll get Cabal

1418
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: and Jones point in our book club so you can

1419
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: get that through SOFTWAREP as well. This is Rad saying peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self red, Ladia