1 00:00:15,370 --> 00:00:21,690 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hello, Cautionary Tales listeners, Tim Harford here, I have 2 00:00:21,810 --> 00:00:26,930 Speaker 1: some good news followed by a treat. The good news 3 00:00:27,050 --> 00:00:30,090 Speaker 1: is that, after long months in the making, the new 4 00:00:30,410 --> 00:00:34,290 Speaker 1: mega season of Cautionary Tales is about to appear right 5 00:00:34,370 --> 00:00:39,530 Speaker 1: here on this feed. Fourteen episodes of fiasco and catastrophe, 6 00:00:39,770 --> 00:00:44,370 Speaker 1: of nerdy insights and heroic failures, and occasionally, not too often, 7 00:00:44,850 --> 00:00:49,490 Speaker 1: a happy ending. There are murderers, idiots and heroes. There 8 00:00:49,530 --> 00:00:53,170 Speaker 1: are fraudsters and fighters and whistleblowers. There are gamblers and 9 00:00:53,290 --> 00:00:57,330 Speaker 1: gamers and geeks galore, all played by a stellar cast 10 00:00:57,370 --> 00:01:00,770 Speaker 1: of actors, so stellar in fact, that I'm still pinching 11 00:01:00,810 --> 00:01:04,010 Speaker 1: myself and I'm looking forward to revealing their names very soon. 12 00:01:04,770 --> 00:01:07,570 Speaker 1: I loved writing this series, and I really hope that 13 00:01:07,610 --> 00:01:10,290 Speaker 1: you're going to love listening to it, starting weekly on 14 00:01:10,450 --> 00:01:17,250 Speaker 1: the twenty sixth of February, and now the treat. Loyal 15 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:20,570 Speaker 1: listeners may know that my new book, The Data Detective 16 00:01:20,770 --> 00:01:24,210 Speaker 1: has just been released in the US and Canada. My publishers, 17 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:27,010 Speaker 1: Riverhead Books, have kindly agreed to let me share with 18 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:30,610 Speaker 1: you the final chapter of the audiobook, in which I 19 00:01:30,690 --> 00:01:34,210 Speaker 1: reveal the golden rule of thinking about numbers in the news. 20 00:01:34,930 --> 00:01:38,290 Speaker 1: I've been so pleased with The Data Detective. The international 21 00:01:38,410 --> 00:01:40,610 Speaker 1: edition was called How to Make the World That Up 22 00:01:40,810 --> 00:01:43,730 Speaker 1: and was a number one business bestseller in the UK. 23 00:01:44,730 --> 00:01:47,010 Speaker 1: The Data Detective is a book about how to think 24 00:01:47,050 --> 00:01:50,730 Speaker 1: clearly about the world by being wiser about statistics and 25 00:01:50,850 --> 00:01:54,930 Speaker 1: wiser about ourselves and our cognitive biases. In it, I 26 00:01:55,010 --> 00:01:58,250 Speaker 1: offer ten simple rules to help you be calmer and 27 00:01:58,450 --> 00:02:02,610 Speaker 1: smarter as you scroll through social media or scan the headlines, 28 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:06,730 Speaker 1: and plenty of stories too. The book is available wherever 29 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:09,810 Speaker 1: books are sold, and so as the audio book read 30 00:02:09,850 --> 00:02:13,290 Speaker 1: by yours truly. I hope you like the audiobook extract 31 00:02:13,290 --> 00:02:15,490 Speaker 1: you're about to hear, and if you do, look out 32 00:02:15,570 --> 00:02:19,730 Speaker 1: for The Data Detective book, ebook and audiobook, and please 33 00:02:20,130 --> 00:02:32,250 Speaker 1: spread the word the golden rule be curious. I can 34 00:02:32,290 --> 00:02:36,490 Speaker 1: think of nothing an audience won't understand. The only problem 35 00:02:36,810 --> 00:02:41,130 Speaker 1: is to interest them. Once they're interested, they understand anything 36 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:48,730 Speaker 1: in the world. Orson wells. I've laid down ten statistical 37 00:02:48,810 --> 00:02:52,970 Speaker 1: commandments in this book. First, we should learn to stop 38 00:02:53,050 --> 00:02:56,530 Speaker 1: and notice our emotional reaction to a claim, rather than 39 00:02:56,610 --> 00:03:00,930 Speaker 1: accepting or rejecting it because of how it makes us feel. Second, 40 00:03:01,210 --> 00:03:04,130 Speaker 1: we should look for ways to combine the bird's eye 41 00:03:04,170 --> 00:03:10,330 Speaker 1: statistical perspective with the worm's eye view from personal experience. Third, 42 00:03:10,730 --> 00:03:12,810 Speaker 1: we should look at the labels on the data we're 43 00:03:12,850 --> 00:03:18,170 Speaker 1: being given and ask if we understand what's really being described. Fourth, 44 00:03:18,610 --> 00:03:22,130 Speaker 1: we should look for comparisons and context, putting any claim 45 00:03:22,170 --> 00:03:27,290 Speaker 1: into perspective. Fifth, we should look behind the statistics, at 46 00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:30,010 Speaker 1: where they came from and what other data might have 47 00:03:30,130 --> 00:03:35,370 Speaker 1: vanished into obscurity. Sixth, we should ask who is missing 48 00:03:35,410 --> 00:03:38,610 Speaker 1: from the data we're being shown, and whether our conclusions 49 00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:43,010 Speaker 1: might differ if they were included. Seventh, we should ask 50 00:03:43,090 --> 00:03:46,210 Speaker 1: tough questions about algorithms and the big data sets that 51 00:03:46,370 --> 00:03:53,370 Speaker 1: drive them, recognizing that without intelligent openness, eight cannot be trusted. Eighth, 52 00:03:53,410 --> 00:03:56,370 Speaker 1: we should pay more attention to the bedrock of official 53 00:03:56,450 --> 00:04:02,490 Speaker 1: statistics and the sometimes heroic statisticians who protect it. Ninth 54 00:04:02,890 --> 00:04:05,970 Speaker 1: we should look under the surface of any beautiful graph 55 00:04:06,050 --> 00:04:10,130 Speaker 1: or chart, and tenth we should keep an open mind, 56 00:04:10,410 --> 00:04:13,610 Speaker 1: asking how we might be mistaken and whether the facts 57 00:04:13,610 --> 00:04:19,810 Speaker 1: have changed. I realize that having ten commandments is something 58 00:04:19,810 --> 00:04:23,450 Speaker 1: of a cliche, and in truth, they're not commandments so 59 00:04:23,570 --> 00:04:26,330 Speaker 1: much as rules of thumb or habits of mind that 60 00:04:26,370 --> 00:04:29,690 Speaker 1: I've acquired the hard way as I've gone along. You 61 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:32,170 Speaker 1: might find them worth a try yourself when you come 62 00:04:32,210 --> 00:04:36,330 Speaker 1: across a statistical claim of particular interest to you. Of course, 63 00:04:36,370 --> 00:04:39,290 Speaker 1: I don't expect you to run personally through the checklist 64 00:04:39,330 --> 00:04:42,010 Speaker 1: with every claim you see in the media. Who has 65 00:04:42,050 --> 00:04:45,970 Speaker 1: the time for that they can be useful in forming 66 00:04:45,970 --> 00:04:50,090 Speaker 1: a preliminary assessment of your new source? Is the journalist 67 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:55,050 Speaker 1: making an effort to define terms, provide context, assess sources. 68 00:04:56,010 --> 00:04:59,890 Speaker 1: The less these habits of mind are in evidence, the 69 00:04:59,970 --> 00:05:05,210 Speaker 1: louder alarm bell should ring. Ten rules of thumb is 70 00:05:05,410 --> 00:05:09,170 Speaker 1: still a lot for anyone to remember, so perhaps I 71 00:05:09,170 --> 00:05:12,690 Speaker 1: should try to make things simpler. I realize that these 72 00:05:12,730 --> 00:05:17,410 Speaker 1: suggestions have a common thread, a golden rule. If you like, 73 00:05:18,690 --> 00:05:25,250 Speaker 1: be curious, look deeper, and ask questions. It is a 74 00:05:25,290 --> 00:05:28,050 Speaker 1: lot to ask, but I hope that it's not too much. 75 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:31,610 Speaker 1: At the start of this book, I begged you not 76 00:05:31,730 --> 00:05:34,410 Speaker 1: to abandon the idea that we can understand the world 77 00:05:34,730 --> 00:05:37,370 Speaker 1: by looking at it with the help of statistics. I 78 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:40,370 Speaker 1: believe we can and should be able to trust that 79 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:44,330 Speaker 1: numbers can give us answers to important questions. But of 80 00:05:44,370 --> 00:05:50,250 Speaker 1: course nullius inverber we shouldn't trust without also asking questions. 81 00:05:51,010 --> 00:05:55,530 Speaker 1: The philosopher and Norah O'Neill once declared well placed trust 82 00:05:55,810 --> 00:06:01,730 Speaker 1: grows out of active inquiry rather than blind acceptance. That 83 00:06:01,810 --> 00:06:04,370 Speaker 1: seems right. If we want to be able to trust 84 00:06:04,370 --> 00:06:06,730 Speaker 1: the world around us, we need to show an interest 85 00:06:06,850 --> 00:06:10,290 Speaker 1: and ask a few basic questions. And despite all the 86 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:14,490 Speaker 1: confusions of the modern world, it has never been easier 87 00:06:14,690 --> 00:06:20,130 Speaker 1: to find answers to those questions. Curiosity, it turns out, 88 00:06:20,610 --> 00:06:27,250 Speaker 1: can be a remarkably powerful thing. About a decade ago, 89 00:06:27,650 --> 00:06:32,930 Speaker 1: a Yale University researcher Dan Kahan showed students some footage 90 00:06:32,930 --> 00:06:37,170 Speaker 1: of a protest outside an unidentified building. Some of the 91 00:06:37,210 --> 00:06:40,050 Speaker 1: students were told that it was a pro life demonstration 92 00:06:40,250 --> 00:06:44,650 Speaker 1: outside an abortion clinic. Others were informed that it was 93 00:06:44,690 --> 00:06:49,570 Speaker 1: a gay rights demonstration outside an army recruitment office. The 94 00:06:49,650 --> 00:06:54,010 Speaker 1: students were asked some factual questions. Was it a peaceful protest? 95 00:06:54,410 --> 00:06:58,130 Speaker 1: Did the protesters try to intimidate people passing by? Did 96 00:06:58,130 --> 00:07:00,970 Speaker 1: they scream or shout? Did they block the entrance to 97 00:07:01,010 --> 00:07:06,130 Speaker 1: the building. The answers people gave depended on the political 98 00:07:06,210 --> 00:07:10,650 Speaker 1: identities they embraced. Conservative students who believed they were looking 99 00:07:10,650 --> 00:07:14,810 Speaker 1: at a demonstration against abortion, saw no problems with a protest, 100 00:07:14,970 --> 00:07:19,690 Speaker 1: no abuse, no violence, no obstruction. Students on the left 101 00:07:19,930 --> 00:07:22,210 Speaker 1: who thought they were looking at a gay rights protest 102 00:07:22,530 --> 00:07:26,690 Speaker 1: reached the same conclusion the protesters had conducted themselves with 103 00:07:26,730 --> 00:07:31,490 Speaker 1: dignity and restraint. But right wing students who thought they 104 00:07:31,490 --> 00:07:34,690 Speaker 1: were looking at a gay rights demonstration reached a very 105 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:38,250 Speaker 1: different conclusion, as did left wing students who believed they 106 00:07:38,250 --> 00:07:43,010 Speaker 1: were watching an anti abortion protest. Both these groups concluded 107 00:07:43,050 --> 00:07:49,570 Speaker 1: that the protesters had been aggressive, intimidating, and obstructive. Kahan 108 00:07:49,770 --> 00:07:52,330 Speaker 1: was studying a problem we met in the first chapter. 109 00:07:52,810 --> 00:07:56,690 Speaker 1: The way our political and cultural identity are desired to 110 00:07:56,730 --> 00:08:00,930 Speaker 1: belong to a community of like minded, right thinking people can, 111 00:08:00,970 --> 00:08:05,050 Speaker 1: on certain hot button issues, leaders to reach the conclusions 112 00:08:05,090 --> 00:08:09,370 Speaker 1: we wished to reach. Depressingly, not only do we reach 113 00:08:09,490 --> 00:08:14,970 Speaker 1: politically comfortable conclusions when parsing complex statistical claims on issues 114 00:08:15,010 --> 00:08:19,850 Speaker 1: such as climate change, we reach politically comfortable conclusions regardless 115 00:08:19,890 --> 00:08:24,530 Speaker 1: of the evidence of our own eyes. As we saw earlier, 116 00:08:24,930 --> 00:08:29,410 Speaker 1: expertise is no guarantee against this kind of motivated reasoning. 117 00:08:30,010 --> 00:08:34,290 Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats with high levels of scientific literacy are 118 00:08:34,410 --> 00:08:38,610 Speaker 1: further apart on climate change than those with little scientific education. 119 00:08:39,570 --> 00:08:43,450 Speaker 1: The same disheartening pattern holds from nuclear power to gun 120 00:08:43,530 --> 00:08:48,770 Speaker 1: control to fracking. The more scientifically literate opponents are, the 121 00:08:48,810 --> 00:08:53,290 Speaker 1: more they disagree. The same is true for numeracy. The 122 00:08:53,450 --> 00:08:59,130 Speaker 1: greater the proficiency, the more acute the polarization, notes Kahan. 123 00:09:00,530 --> 00:09:04,730 Speaker 1: After a long and fruitless search for an antidote to tribalism, 124 00:09:05,090 --> 00:09:09,170 Speaker 1: Kahan could be forgiven for becoming jaded. Yet a few 125 00:09:09,290 --> 00:09:13,570 Speaker 1: years ago, to his surprise, Kahan and his colleagues stumbled 126 00:09:13,610 --> 00:09:16,730 Speaker 1: upon a trait that some people have and that other 127 00:09:16,770 --> 00:09:21,410 Speaker 1: people can be encouraged to develop, which inoculates us against 128 00:09:21,450 --> 00:09:27,890 Speaker 1: this toxic polarization on the most politically polluted tribal questions, 129 00:09:28,410 --> 00:09:34,650 Speaker 1: where intelligence and education fail, this trait does not. And 130 00:09:34,690 --> 00:09:39,970 Speaker 1: if you're desperately, burningly curious to know what it is, congratulations, 131 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:48,050 Speaker 1: you may be inoculated already. Curiosity breaks the relentless pattern. Specifically, 132 00:09:48,250 --> 00:09:54,970 Speaker 1: Kahan identified scientific curiosity that's different from scientific literacy. The 133 00:09:55,050 --> 00:09:58,530 Speaker 1: two qualities are correlated, of course, but there are curious 134 00:09:58,570 --> 00:10:02,610 Speaker 1: people who know rather little about science yet and highly 135 00:10:02,650 --> 00:10:08,050 Speaker 1: trained people with little appetite to learn more. More scientifically 136 00:10:08,210 --> 00:10:12,210 Speaker 1: curious republic plans aren't further apart from Democrats on these 137 00:10:12,250 --> 00:10:17,930 Speaker 1: polarized issues. If anything, they're slightly closer together. It's important 138 00:10:18,010 --> 00:10:22,410 Speaker 1: not to exaggerate the effect. Curious Republicans and Democrats still 139 00:10:22,450 --> 00:10:26,010 Speaker 1: disagree on issues such as climate change, but the more 140 00:10:26,090 --> 00:10:29,370 Speaker 1: curious they are, the more they converge on what we 141 00:10:29,490 --> 00:10:33,370 Speaker 1: might call an evidence based view of the issues in question. 142 00:10:34,370 --> 00:10:37,650 Speaker 1: Or to put it another way, the more curious we are, 143 00:10:38,170 --> 00:10:42,650 Speaker 1: the less our tribalism seems to matter. There is little 144 00:10:42,690 --> 00:10:48,090 Speaker 1: correlation between scientific curiosity and political affiliation. Happily, there are 145 00:10:48,130 --> 00:10:53,250 Speaker 1: plenty of curious people across the political spectrum. Although the 146 00:10:53,330 --> 00:10:58,370 Speaker 1: discovery surprised Kahan, it makes sense, as we've seen one 147 00:10:58,370 --> 00:11:01,570 Speaker 1: of our most stubborn defenses against changing our minds is 148 00:11:01,570 --> 00:11:05,410 Speaker 1: that we're good at filtering out or dismissing unwelcome information. 149 00:11:06,170 --> 00:11:10,890 Speaker 1: A curious person, however, enjoys being surprised and hungers for 150 00:11:10,930 --> 00:11:14,490 Speaker 1: the unexpected. He or she will not be filtering out 151 00:11:14,570 --> 00:11:20,810 Speaker 1: surprising news because it's far too intriguing. The scientifically curious 152 00:11:20,850 --> 00:11:25,810 Speaker 1: people Kahan's team studded were originally identified with simple questions 153 00:11:25,850 --> 00:11:29,130 Speaker 1: buried in a marketing survey so that people weren't conscious 154 00:11:29,330 --> 00:11:33,330 Speaker 1: that their curiosity was being measured. One question, for example, 155 00:11:33,490 --> 00:11:37,890 Speaker 1: was how often do you read science books? Scientifically curious 156 00:11:37,930 --> 00:11:41,050 Speaker 1: people are more interested in watching a documentary about space 157 00:11:41,090 --> 00:11:44,450 Speaker 1: travel or penguins than a basketball game or a celebrity 158 00:11:44,490 --> 00:11:48,770 Speaker 1: gossip show. And they didn't just answer survey questions differently, 159 00:11:49,050 --> 00:11:52,890 Speaker 1: they also made different choices in the psychology lab. In 160 00:11:52,970 --> 00:11:56,850 Speaker 1: one experiment, participants were shown a range of headlines about 161 00:11:56,850 --> 00:12:01,450 Speaker 1: climate change and invited to pick the most interesting article 162 00:12:01,650 --> 00:12:07,370 Speaker 1: to read. There were four headlines, Two suggested climate skepticism 163 00:12:07,410 --> 00:12:12,370 Speaker 1: and two did not, two reframed as surprising, and two 164 00:12:12,530 --> 00:12:18,690 Speaker 1: were not. One scientists find still more evidence that global 165 00:12:18,730 --> 00:12:27,170 Speaker 1: warming actually slowed in last decade skeptical, unsurprising. Two scientists 166 00:12:27,210 --> 00:12:32,450 Speaker 1: report surprising evidence Arctic ice melting even faster than expected, 167 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:41,530 Speaker 1: surprising and not skeptical. Three scientists report surprising evidence ice 168 00:12:41,770 --> 00:12:46,170 Speaker 1: increasing in Antarctic not currently contributing to sea level rise, 169 00:12:47,050 --> 00:12:55,290 Speaker 1: skeptical and surprising. Four scientists find still more evidence linking 170 00:12:55,290 --> 00:13:02,410 Speaker 1: global warming to extreme weather, neither surprising nor skeptical. Typically, 171 00:13:02,530 --> 00:13:05,810 Speaker 1: we'd expect people to reach for the article that pandered 172 00:13:05,890 --> 00:13:08,930 Speaker 1: to their prejudices. The Democrats would tend to favor a 173 00:13:09,090 --> 00:13:13,650 Speaker 1: headline that took global warming seriously, while Republicans would prefer 174 00:13:13,770 --> 00:13:20,050 Speaker 1: something with a skeptical tone. Scientifically curious people Republicans or 175 00:13:20,090 --> 00:13:24,530 Speaker 1: Democrats were different. They were happy to grab an article 176 00:13:24,570 --> 00:13:28,010 Speaker 1: which ran counter to their preconceptions as long as it 177 00:13:28,050 --> 00:13:33,330 Speaker 1: seemed surprising and fresh, and once you're actually reading the article, 178 00:13:33,770 --> 00:13:36,090 Speaker 1: there's always a chance that it might teach you something. 179 00:13:37,330 --> 00:13:42,250 Speaker 1: A surprising statistical claim is a challenge to our existing worldview. 180 00:13:42,770 --> 00:13:46,810 Speaker 1: It may provoke an emotional response, even a fearful one. 181 00:13:47,490 --> 00:13:51,650 Speaker 1: Neuroscientific studies suggest that the brain responds in much the 182 00:13:51,730 --> 00:13:56,490 Speaker 1: same anxious way to facts which threaten our preconceptions as 183 00:13:56,490 --> 00:14:00,850 Speaker 1: it does to wild animals which threaten our lives. Yet, 184 00:14:00,890 --> 00:14:04,410 Speaker 1: for someone in a curious frame of mind, in contrast, 185 00:14:04,810 --> 00:14:09,130 Speaker 1: a surprising claim need not provoke anxiety. It can be 186 00:14:09,210 --> 00:14:17,810 Speaker 1: an engaging mystery or a puzzle to solve. You're listening 187 00:14:17,850 --> 00:14:22,650 Speaker 1: to an excerpt of The Data Detective courtesy of Penguin 188 00:14:22,810 --> 00:14:26,250 Speaker 1: Random House Audio. The Data Detective is a brand new 189 00:14:26,330 --> 00:14:29,850 Speaker 1: book written and narrated by me, Tim Harford, and we'll 190 00:14:29,890 --> 00:14:37,370 Speaker 1: be back with more after this message. A curious person 191 00:14:37,530 --> 00:14:42,330 Speaker 1: might at this point have some questions. When I met 192 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:45,490 Speaker 1: Dan Kahan, the question that was most urgent in my 193 00:14:45,570 --> 00:14:51,490 Speaker 1: mind was can we cultivate curiosity? Can we become more curious? 194 00:14:51,570 --> 00:14:56,530 Speaker 1: And can we inspire curiosity in others? There are reasons 195 00:14:56,570 --> 00:15:00,890 Speaker 1: to believe that the answers are yes. One reason, says Kahan, 196 00:15:01,410 --> 00:15:05,850 Speaker 1: is that his measure of curiosity suggests that incremental change 197 00:15:05,890 --> 00:15:10,370 Speaker 1: is possible. When he measures scientific curiosity, he doesn't find 198 00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:14,210 Speaker 1: a lump of stubbornly incurious people at one end of 199 00:15:14,250 --> 00:15:18,090 Speaker 1: the spectrum and a lump of voraciously curious people at 200 00:15:18,130 --> 00:15:21,410 Speaker 1: the other, with a yawning gap in the middle. Instead, 201 00:15:21,850 --> 00:15:26,410 Speaker 1: curiosity follows a continuous bell curve. Most people are either 202 00:15:26,530 --> 00:15:32,410 Speaker 1: moderately incurious or moderately curious. This doesn't prove that curiosity 203 00:15:32,450 --> 00:15:37,010 Speaker 1: can be cultivated. Perhaps that bell curve is cast in iron. 204 00:15:37,650 --> 00:15:40,650 Speaker 1: Yet it does at least hold out some hope that 205 00:15:40,730 --> 00:15:43,810 Speaker 1: people can be nudged a little further towards the curious 206 00:15:43,970 --> 00:15:47,890 Speaker 1: end of that curve, because no radical leap is required. 207 00:15:49,050 --> 00:15:53,210 Speaker 1: A second reason is that curiosity is often situational. In 208 00:15:53,250 --> 00:15:56,690 Speaker 1: the right place at the right time, curiosity will smolder 209 00:15:56,810 --> 00:16:01,330 Speaker 1: in any of us. Indeed, Cahan's discovery that an individual's 210 00:16:01,370 --> 00:16:06,930 Speaker 1: scientific curiosity persisted over time was a surprise to some psychologists. 211 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:10,090 Speaker 1: They had believed with some and that there was no 212 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:14,490 Speaker 1: such thing as a curious person, just a situation that 213 00:16:14,610 --> 00:16:18,730 Speaker 1: inspired curiosity. In fact, it does now seem that people 214 00:16:18,850 --> 00:16:22,730 Speaker 1: can tend to be curious or incurious. That does not 215 00:16:22,850 --> 00:16:26,890 Speaker 1: alter the fact that curiosity can be fueled or dampened 216 00:16:27,290 --> 00:16:31,450 Speaker 1: by context. We all have it in us to be 217 00:16:31,530 --> 00:16:37,810 Speaker 1: curious or not about different things at different times. One 218 00:16:37,850 --> 00:16:41,410 Speaker 1: thing that provokes curiosity is the sense of a gap 219 00:16:41,450 --> 00:16:46,490 Speaker 1: in our knowledge to be filled. George Lowenstein, a behavioral economist, 220 00:16:46,930 --> 00:16:49,930 Speaker 1: framed this idea in what has become known as the 221 00:16:50,090 --> 00:16:55,930 Speaker 1: information gap theory of curiosity. As Lowenstein puts it, curiosity 222 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:58,850 Speaker 1: starts to glow when there's a gap between what we 223 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:02,090 Speaker 1: know and what we want to know. There's a sweet 224 00:17:02,170 --> 00:17:06,450 Speaker 1: spot for curiosity. If we know nothing, we ask no questions. 225 00:17:06,970 --> 00:17:11,130 Speaker 1: If we know everything, we ask no questions. Either. Curiosity 226 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:13,810 Speaker 1: is fueled once we know enough to know that we 227 00:17:13,930 --> 00:17:17,770 Speaker 1: do not know alas all too often we don't even 228 00:17:17,890 --> 00:17:21,130 Speaker 1: think about what we don't know. There's a beautiful little 229 00:17:21,130 --> 00:17:26,570 Speaker 1: experiment about our Incuriosity, conducted by the psychologists Leonard Rosenblitt 230 00:17:26,650 --> 00:17:30,850 Speaker 1: and Frank Kyle. They gave their experimental subjects a simple 231 00:17:30,890 --> 00:17:34,410 Speaker 1: task to look through a list of everyday objects, such 232 00:17:34,450 --> 00:17:37,890 Speaker 1: as a flush lavatory, a zip fastener, and a bicycle, 233 00:17:38,530 --> 00:17:41,650 Speaker 1: and to rate their understanding of each object on a 234 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:45,410 Speaker 1: scale of one to seven. After people had written down 235 00:17:45,450 --> 00:17:51,050 Speaker 1: their ratings, the researchers would gently launch a devastating ambush. 236 00:17:51,170 --> 00:17:56,210 Speaker 1: They asked the subjects to elaborate. Here's a pen and paper. 237 00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:59,690 Speaker 1: They would say, please write out your explanation of a 238 00:17:59,730 --> 00:18:02,890 Speaker 1: flush lavatory in as much detail as he can by 239 00:18:02,930 --> 00:18:07,210 Speaker 1: all means include diagrams. It turns out that this task 240 00:18:07,650 --> 00:18:11,970 Speaker 1: wasn't as easy as people had thought. People stumbled struggling 241 00:18:12,050 --> 00:18:16,050 Speaker 1: to explain the details of everyday mechanisms. They had assumed 242 00:18:16,090 --> 00:18:19,850 Speaker 1: that those details would readily spring to mind, and they 243 00:18:19,850 --> 00:18:24,970 Speaker 1: did not. And to their credit, most experimental subjects realized 244 00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:28,210 Speaker 1: that they've been lying to themselves. They had felt they 245 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:32,130 Speaker 1: understood zip fastness and lavatories, but when invited to elaborate, 246 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:36,370 Speaker 1: they realized they didn't understand at all. When people were 247 00:18:36,450 --> 00:18:40,290 Speaker 1: asked to reconsider their previous one to seven rating, they 248 00:18:40,330 --> 00:18:44,170 Speaker 1: marked themselves down, acknowledging that their knowledge had been shallower 249 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:48,970 Speaker 1: than they'd realized. Rosen Blitt and Kyle called this the 250 00:18:49,130 --> 00:18:55,090 Speaker 1: illusion of explanatory depth. The illusion of explanatory depth is 251 00:18:55,090 --> 00:18:59,610 Speaker 1: a curiosity killer and a trap. If we think we 252 00:18:59,690 --> 00:19:04,370 Speaker 1: already understand, why go deeper? Why ask questions? It is 253 00:19:04,570 --> 00:19:07,490 Speaker 1: striking that it was so easy to get people to 254 00:19:07,530 --> 00:19:11,610 Speaker 1: pull back from their earlier confidence. All it took was 255 00:19:11,650 --> 00:19:15,210 Speaker 1: to get them to reflect on the gaps in their knowledge, and, 256 00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:21,610 Speaker 1: as Lowenstein argued, gaps in knowledge fuel curiosity. There is 257 00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:26,170 Speaker 1: more at stake here than zip fastness. Another team of researchers, 258 00:19:26,490 --> 00:19:30,250 Speaker 1: led by Philip Fernbach and Steve Sloman, authors of The 259 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:35,130 Speaker 1: Knowledge Illusion, adapted the flush laboratory question to ask about 260 00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:38,850 Speaker 1: policies such as a cap and trade system for carbon emissions, 261 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:43,450 Speaker 1: a flat tax, or a proposal to impose unilateral sanctions 262 00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:48,890 Speaker 1: on Iran. The researchers importantly didn't ask people whether or 263 00:19:48,930 --> 00:19:52,090 Speaker 1: not they were in favor of or against these policies. 264 00:19:52,690 --> 00:19:55,890 Speaker 1: There's plenty of prior evidence that such questions would lead 265 00:19:55,930 --> 00:20:00,490 Speaker 1: people to dig in. Instead, Fernbach and his colleagues just 266 00:20:00,730 --> 00:20:05,330 Speaker 1: ask them the same simple question, Please, rate your understanding 267 00:20:05,690 --> 00:20:09,810 Speaker 1: on a scale of one to seven. Then the same 268 00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:16,090 Speaker 1: devastating follow up, please elaborate, tell us exactly what unilateral 269 00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:19,690 Speaker 1: sanctions are and how a flat tax works, and the 270 00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:24,690 Speaker 1: same thing happened. People said, yes, they basically understood these 271 00:20:24,690 --> 00:20:29,850 Speaker 1: policies fairly well. Then when prompted to explain, the illusion 272 00:20:30,290 --> 00:20:35,010 Speaker 1: was dispelled, they realized that perhaps they didn't really understand 273 00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:40,130 Speaker 1: at all. More striking was that when the illusion faded, 274 00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:45,890 Speaker 1: political polarization also started to fade. People who would have 275 00:20:46,090 --> 00:20:50,490 Speaker 1: instinctively described their political opponents as wicked and who would 276 00:20:50,490 --> 00:20:53,210 Speaker 1: have gone to the barricades to defend their own ideas 277 00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:56,890 Speaker 1: tended to be less strident when forced to admit to 278 00:20:56,930 --> 00:21:00,770 Speaker 1: themselves that they didn't fully understand what it was that 279 00:21:00,810 --> 00:21:05,330 Speaker 1: they were so passionate about in the first place. The 280 00:21:05,370 --> 00:21:09,890 Speaker 1: experiment influenced actions as well as words. Search has found 281 00:21:09,890 --> 00:21:12,410 Speaker 1: that people became less likely to give money to lobby 282 00:21:12,410 --> 00:21:16,650 Speaker 1: groups or other organizations which supported the positions they had 283 00:21:16,690 --> 00:21:21,850 Speaker 1: once favored. It's a rather beautiful discovery in a world 284 00:21:21,890 --> 00:21:25,250 Speaker 1: where so many people seem to hold extreme views with 285 00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:30,610 Speaker 1: strident certainty. You can deflate somebody's over confidence and moderate 286 00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:35,010 Speaker 1: their politics simply by asking them to explain the details. 287 00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:40,130 Speaker 1: Next time you're in a politically heated argument, try asking 288 00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:44,930 Speaker 1: your interlocutor not to justify herself, but simply to explain 289 00:21:45,010 --> 00:21:48,930 Speaker 1: the policy in question. She wants to introduce a universal 290 00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:52,250 Speaker 1: basic income, or a flat tax, or a points based 291 00:21:52,290 --> 00:21:58,450 Speaker 1: immigration system or medicare for all. Okay, that's interesting. So 292 00:21:59,130 --> 00:22:02,650 Speaker 1: what exactly does she mean by that? She may learn 293 00:22:02,730 --> 00:22:07,530 Speaker 1: something as she tries to explain. So may you and 294 00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:10,610 Speaker 1: you may both find that you understand a little less 295 00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:17,610 Speaker 1: and agree a little more than you had assumed. Figuring 296 00:22:17,650 --> 00:22:21,130 Speaker 1: out the workings of a flush lavatory, or understanding what 297 00:22:21,210 --> 00:22:24,970 Speaker 1: a cap and trade scheme really is, can require some effort. 298 00:22:25,690 --> 00:22:28,690 Speaker 1: One way to encourage that effort is to embarrass somebody 299 00:22:28,770 --> 00:22:33,050 Speaker 1: by innocently inviting an overconfident answer on a scale of 300 00:22:33,050 --> 00:22:37,570 Speaker 1: one to seven. But another kinder way is to engage 301 00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:43,050 Speaker 1: their interest. As Orson Wells said, once people are interested, 302 00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:48,010 Speaker 1: they can understand anything in the world. How to engage 303 00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:54,770 Speaker 1: people's interest is neither a new problem nor an intractable one. Novelists, screenwriters, 304 00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:57,930 Speaker 1: and comedians have been figuring out this craft for as 305 00:22:57,970 --> 00:23:01,450 Speaker 1: long as they've existed. They know that we love mysteries, 306 00:23:01,650 --> 00:23:05,250 Speaker 1: are drawn in by sympathetic characters, enjoy the arc of 307 00:23:05,290 --> 00:23:08,050 Speaker 1: a good story, and will stick around for anything that 308 00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:13,090 Speaker 1: makes us laugh, and scientific evidence suggests that Orson Wells 309 00:23:13,210 --> 00:23:17,610 Speaker 1: was absolutely right. For example, studies in which people were 310 00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:22,010 Speaker 1: asked to read narratives and non narrative texts found that 311 00:23:22,050 --> 00:23:24,970 Speaker 1: they zipped through the narrative at twice the speed and 312 00:23:25,090 --> 00:23:30,050 Speaker 1: recalled twice as much information later. As for humor, consider 313 00:23:30,090 --> 00:23:34,890 Speaker 1: the case of the comedian Stephen Colbert's civics lesson. Before 314 00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:37,610 Speaker 1: his current role as the host of The Late Show, 315 00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:43,130 Speaker 1: Colbert presented The Colbert Report in character as a blowhard 316 00:23:43,290 --> 00:23:47,890 Speaker 1: right wing commentator. In March twenty eleven, Colbert began a 317 00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:51,050 Speaker 1: long running joke in which he explored the role of 318 00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:55,050 Speaker 1: money in US politics. He decided that he needed to 319 00:23:55,090 --> 00:23:58,930 Speaker 1: set up a political action committee a pack to raise 320 00:23:59,010 --> 00:24:02,970 Speaker 1: funds in case he decided to run for president. I 321 00:24:03,210 --> 00:24:05,690 Speaker 1: clearly need a pack, but I have no idea what 322 00:24:05,770 --> 00:24:09,410 Speaker 1: packs do, he explained to a friendly expert on air. 323 00:24:10,570 --> 00:24:13,810 Speaker 1: Over the course of the next few weeks, Colbert had 324 00:24:13,890 --> 00:24:18,290 Speaker 1: packs and super PACs and five or one se fours 325 00:24:18,330 --> 00:24:22,090 Speaker 1: explained to him from where they could accept donations up 326 00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:26,290 Speaker 1: to what limits, with what transparency requirements, and to spend 327 00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:29,610 Speaker 1: on what He was to discover that the right combination 328 00:24:29,650 --> 00:24:33,450 Speaker 1: of fundraising structures could be used to raise almost any 329 00:24:33,490 --> 00:24:40,090 Speaker 1: amount of money for almost any purpose with almost no disclosure. Clearly, 330 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:45,410 Speaker 1: Sea fours have created an unprecedented, unaccountable, untraceable cash tsunami 331 00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:49,530 Speaker 1: that will infect every corner of the next election, he mused, 332 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:53,290 Speaker 1: and I feel like an idiot for not having one. 333 00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:58,330 Speaker 1: Colbert later learned how to dissolve his fundraising structures and 334 00:24:58,530 --> 00:25:04,650 Speaker 1: keep the money without notifying the taxman by repeatedly returning 335 00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:08,610 Speaker 1: to the topic and in character demanding advice as to 336 00:25:08,650 --> 00:25:13,450 Speaker 1: how to abuse the electoral rules. Colbert explored campaign finance 337 00:25:13,530 --> 00:25:16,650 Speaker 1: in far more depth than any news report could have 338 00:25:16,770 --> 00:25:21,890 Speaker 1: dreamed of doing. Did all of this actually improve viewers 339 00:25:21,930 --> 00:25:26,410 Speaker 1: knowledge of the issue, It seems so. A team including 340 00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:30,210 Speaker 1: Kathleen Hall Jamieson, who also worked with Dan Kohan on 341 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:35,370 Speaker 1: the Scientific Curiosity Research, used the Colbert storyline to investigate 342 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:38,730 Speaker 1: how much people learned amid the laughter. They found that 343 00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:42,970 Speaker 1: watching the Colbert report was correlated with increased knowledge about 344 00:25:43,050 --> 00:25:46,090 Speaker 1: super pacts and five O, one C four groups. How 345 00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:49,970 Speaker 1: they worked what they could legally do. Reading a newspaper 346 00:25:50,130 --> 00:25:53,770 Speaker 1: or listening to talk radio also helped, but the effect 347 00:25:53,850 --> 00:25:57,530 Speaker 1: of the Colbert Report was much bigger. One day a 348 00:25:57,610 --> 00:26:01,770 Speaker 1: week of watching Colbert taught people as much about campaign 349 00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:05,490 Speaker 1: finance as four days a week reading a newspaper, for example, 350 00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:11,410 Speaker 1: or five extra years of schooling. Of course, this is 351 00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:15,730 Speaker 1: a measure of correlation, not causation. It's possible that the 352 00:26:15,770 --> 00:26:19,490 Speaker 1: people who were already interested in super PACs tuned in 353 00:26:19,530 --> 00:26:24,010 Speaker 1: to Colbert to hear him wisecrack about them, or perhaps 354 00:26:24,170 --> 00:26:28,810 Speaker 1: politics junkies know about super PACs and also love watching Colbert. 355 00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:33,170 Speaker 1: But I suspect the show did cause the growing understanding 356 00:26:33,530 --> 00:26:37,370 Speaker 1: because Colbert really did go deep into the details, and 357 00:26:37,650 --> 00:26:42,890 Speaker 1: large audiences stuck with him because he was funny. You 358 00:26:42,970 --> 00:26:45,850 Speaker 1: don't have to be one of America's best loved comedians 359 00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:50,170 Speaker 1: to pull off this trick. The NPR podcast Planet Money 360 00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:53,410 Speaker 1: Wants shed light on the details of the global economy 361 00:26:53,730 --> 00:26:59,610 Speaker 1: by designing, manufacturing, and importing several thousand T shirts. This 362 00:26:59,730 --> 00:27:04,370 Speaker 1: allowed a long running storyline investigating cotton farming the role 363 00:27:04,410 --> 00:27:08,970 Speaker 1: of automation in textiles, how African communities make new fashion 364 00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:12,690 Speaker 1: out of donated American T shirts, the logistics of the 365 00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:16,770 Speaker 1: shipping industry, and strange details such as the fact that 366 00:27:16,810 --> 00:27:20,170 Speaker 1: the men shirts which were made in Bangladesh attract a 367 00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:24,690 Speaker 1: tariff of sixteen point five percent, whereas the women shirts 368 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:29,930 Speaker 1: made in Columbia are duty free. These examples should be 369 00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:35,850 Speaker 1: models for communication precisely because they inspire curiosity. How does 370 00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:40,970 Speaker 1: money influence politics is not an especially engaging question, But 371 00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:44,370 Speaker 1: if I were running for president, how would I raise 372 00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:47,850 Speaker 1: lots of money with few conditions and no scrutiny is 373 00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:51,650 Speaker 1: much more intriguing. Those of us in the business of 374 00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:55,330 Speaker 1: communicating ideas need to go beyond the fact check and 375 00:27:55,370 --> 00:28:00,450 Speaker 1: the statistical SmackDown. Facts are valuable things, and so is 376 00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:03,970 Speaker 1: fact checking. But if we really want people to understand 377 00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:08,610 Speaker 1: complex issues, we need to engage their curiosity. If people 378 00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:13,450 Speaker 1: are curious, they will learn. I found this in my 379 00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:16,450 Speaker 1: own work with a team who make more or less 380 00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:21,290 Speaker 1: for the BBC. The program is often regarded affectionately as 381 00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:24,970 Speaker 1: a MythBuster. I feel that our best work is when 382 00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:28,810 Speaker 1: we use statistics to illuminate the truth, rather than to 383 00:28:28,890 --> 00:28:33,050 Speaker 1: debunker stream of falsehoods. We try to bring people along 384 00:28:33,050 --> 00:28:35,330 Speaker 1: with us as we explore the world around us with 385 00:28:35,410 --> 00:28:41,010 Speaker 1: the help of reliable numbers. What's false is interesting, but 386 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:46,970 Speaker 1: not as interesting as what's true. After the referendum of 387 00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:50,610 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, in which my fellow British voters decided to 388 00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:54,890 Speaker 1: leave the European Union, the economics profession engaged in some 389 00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:59,730 Speaker 1: soul searching. Most technical experts thought that leaving the EU 390 00:28:59,890 --> 00:29:05,090 Speaker 1: was a bad idea, costly complex, and unlikely to deliver 391 00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:09,010 Speaker 1: many of the promised benefits or solve the country's most 392 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:14,050 Speaker 1: pressing problems. Yet, as one infamous sound bite put it, 393 00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:17,890 Speaker 1: the people in this country have had enough of experts. 394 00:29:18,530 --> 00:29:21,650 Speaker 1: Few people seemed to care what economists had to say 395 00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:25,770 Speaker 1: on the subject, and to our credit, I think professional 396 00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:29,570 Speaker 1: economists wanted to understand what we had done wrong and 397 00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:33,210 Speaker 1: whether we might do better in future. Later, at a 398 00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:37,090 Speaker 1: conference about the profession and the Public, the Grades and 399 00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:40,330 Speaker 1: the Good of the British economics community pondered the problem. 400 00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:44,130 Speaker 1: The discussed solutions. We needed to be more chatty and 401 00:29:44,170 --> 00:29:48,690 Speaker 1: approachable on Twitter, suggested one analysis. We needed to express 402 00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:53,690 Speaker 1: ourselves clearly and without jargon, offered many speakers, not unreasonably. 403 00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:58,810 Speaker 1: My own perspective was slightly different. I argued that we 404 00:29:58,810 --> 00:30:03,650 Speaker 1: were operating in a politically polarized environment in which almost 405 00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:08,170 Speaker 1: any opinion we might offer would be fiercely contested by partisans. 406 00:30:09,170 --> 00:30:14,970 Speaker 1: Economists deal with controversial issues such as inequality, taxation, public spending, 407 00:30:15,450 --> 00:30:22,250 Speaker 1: climate change, trade, immigration, and of course Brexit. In such 408 00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:27,450 Speaker 1: a febrile environment, Speaking slowly and clearly will only get 409 00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:32,250 Speaker 1: you so far. To communicate complex ideas, we needed to 410 00:30:32,290 --> 00:30:38,250 Speaker 1: spark people's curiosity, even inspire a sense of wander the 411 00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:42,930 Speaker 1: great science communicators, after all, people such as Stephen Hawking 412 00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:47,410 Speaker 1: and David Attenborough do not win over people simply by 413 00:30:47,530 --> 00:30:52,770 Speaker 1: using small words, crisply spoken. They stoke the flames of 414 00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:56,530 Speaker 1: our curiosity, making us burn with desire to learn more. 415 00:30:57,370 --> 00:31:01,290 Speaker 1: If we economists want people to understand economics, we must 416 00:31:01,290 --> 00:31:06,290 Speaker 1: first engage their interest. What is true of economists is 417 00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:12,210 Speaker 1: equally true for scientists, social scientists, historians, statisticians, or anyone 418 00:31:12,250 --> 00:31:16,250 Speaker 1: else with complex ideas to convey. Whether the topic is 419 00:31:16,290 --> 00:31:19,690 Speaker 1: the evolution of black holes or the emergence of black 420 00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:25,050 Speaker 1: lives matter, the possibility of precognition or the necessity of preregistration. 421 00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:29,970 Speaker 1: The details matter, and presented in the right way, they 422 00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:36,210 Speaker 1: should always have the capacity to fascinate us awaken our 423 00:31:36,250 --> 00:31:39,530 Speaker 1: sense of wander. I say to my fellow nerd communicators, 424 00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:43,410 Speaker 1: ignite the spark of curiosity and give it some fuel 425 00:31:43,930 --> 00:31:49,610 Speaker 1: using the time honored methods of storytelling, character, suspense, and humor. 426 00:31:50,730 --> 00:31:53,810 Speaker 1: But let's not rely on the journalists and the scientists 427 00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:57,890 Speaker 1: and the other communicators of complex ideas. We have to 428 00:31:57,930 --> 00:32:02,050 Speaker 1: be responsible for our own sense of curiosity. As the 429 00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:06,930 Speaker 1: saying goes, only boring people get bored. The world is 430 00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:11,050 Speaker 1: so much more interesting if we take an active interest 431 00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:16,170 Speaker 1: in it. The cure for boredom is curiosity, goes an 432 00:32:16,170 --> 00:32:21,410 Speaker 1: old saying, there is no cure for curiosity. Just so 433 00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:25,170 Speaker 1: once we start to peer beneath the surface of things, 434 00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:28,810 Speaker 1: become aware of the gaps in our knowledge, and treat 435 00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:32,290 Speaker 1: each question as the path to a better question, we 436 00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:37,410 Speaker 1: find that curiosity is habit forming. Sometimes we need to 437 00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:40,370 Speaker 1: think like Darrel Half. There is a place in life 438 00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:44,770 Speaker 1: for the mean minded, hard nosed skepticism that asks where's 439 00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:47,850 Speaker 1: the trick? Why is this line bastard lying to me? 440 00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:52,450 Speaker 1: But while I don't believe it is sometimes the right 441 00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:57,610 Speaker 1: starting point. When confronted with a surprising statistical claim, it 442 00:32:57,770 --> 00:33:02,570 Speaker 1: is a lazy and depressing place to finish, and I 443 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:05,730 Speaker 1: hope you won't finish there. I hope that I have 444 00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:08,890 Speaker 1: persuaded you that we should make more room both for 445 00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:12,890 Speaker 1: the novelty seeking curiosity that says, tell me more, and 446 00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:17,130 Speaker 1: the dogged curiosity that drove Austin Bradford Hill and Richard 447 00:33:17,170 --> 00:33:21,330 Speaker 1: Doll to ask why so many people were dying of 448 00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:26,370 Speaker 1: lung cancer and whether cigarettes might be to blame. If 449 00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:29,330 Speaker 1: we want to make the world add up, we need 450 00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:36,850 Speaker 1: to ask questions, open minded, genuine questions, and once we 451 00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:42,530 Speaker 1: start asking them, we may find it delightfully difficult to stop. 452 00:33:46,010 --> 00:33:49,410 Speaker 1: That was an extract from my new book, The Data Detective. 453 00:33:50,250 --> 00:33:52,890 Speaker 1: The International edition is How to make the World Add Up. 454 00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:57,210 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and keep on listening, because Cautionary Tails 455 00:33:57,370 --> 00:34:09,730 Speaker 1: is back on the twenty sixth of February. Wouldn't be 456 00:34:09,890 --> 00:34:10,090 Speaker 1: a b