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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now is Dina Friedman, Chair and CEO of NASDAC,

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Speaker 2: and of course there is a lot of excitement investor

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Speaker 2: excitement for the IPO market to be coming back the

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Speaker 2: largest IPO.

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Speaker 1: Of the year.

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Speaker 2: Of course, listing on NASDAC, what does the pipeline look like?

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Speaker 2: Can you say the second half of the year has

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Speaker 2: more room to run, especially when you have the election ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be on your set, and we are

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Speaker 3: really really proud of the overall results that we've delivered

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Speaker 3: for the quarter with ten percent overall growth. We've had

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Speaker 3: twenty nine percent growth in our index business and sixteen

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Speaker 3: percent growth in our financial technology business, which of course

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Speaker 3: has been an area of real strategic focus for us

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Speaker 3: as we look at the IPO landscape and the market's

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Speaker 3: part of our business, and we've seen slow progression, I

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Speaker 3: would say, in the IPO market. Were coming off of

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Speaker 3: a very tough year in twenty twenty three, so we're

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Speaker 3: seeing slow progression. Very excited about lineage this morning, join

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Speaker 3: the NASA family of companies.

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Speaker 1: We had one.

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Speaker 3: Stream yesterday, so you're starting to see the investor appetite

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Speaker 3: increase for taking risk with the IPOs, But I would

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Speaker 3: have to say that we still think that it'll be

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Speaker 3: slow progression as we continue through the year. The monetary

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Speaker 3: policy outlook and other geopolitical factors I think are still

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Speaker 3: keeping investors a little bit more risk of.

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Speaker 1: Our you know, they have a little bit more risk aversion.

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Speaker 3: But we're seeing some really good progress and we think

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Speaker 3: that going into twenty twenty five, we should see more

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Speaker 3: momentum in terms of the pipeline of companies that we've

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Speaker 2: When you think about the competition ahead in this market

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Speaker 2: as well, do you think that Nasdaq has an ability

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Speaker 2: to gain even more share? What does it look like

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Are you out there courting every twenty

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Speaker 3: We meet with companies what years before they go public,

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Speaker 3: so we really focus on the complete life cycle of

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Speaker 3: a company. When they are early stage companies, we work

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Speaker 3: with them in terms of helping them in the private

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Speaker 3: markets manage their liquidity. With Nazek private market, we work

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Speaker 3: with them on their governance practices and making sure they're.

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Speaker 1: Maturing their governance.

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Speaker 3: We start to introduce them to investors who are IR

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Speaker 3: services before they go public, and then of course they

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Speaker 3: go public, and then they become public companies, and that's

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Speaker 3: where we have a whole cadre of capabilities that help

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Speaker 3: them become great public companies. But we're talking to invest

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Speaker 3: companies well before their IPO plans, so that as they

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Speaker 3: think about the public markets, they think about NASAC. We

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Speaker 3: had a seventy two percent win rate in the quarter.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're continuing to show that NASAC is the

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Speaker 3: venue of choice.

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Speaker 4: You know, we saw a global IT outage a couple

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Speaker 4: of days ago, reminded the world how fragile things are.

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Speaker 4: Nasdaq was fine, actually, and you offer a suite of

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Speaker 4: financial crimes that I didn't even really know about.

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Speaker 1: Showing huge growth.

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Speaker 4: Talk to us about the new businesses that you've diversified into.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So with the cross strike challenge, our markets were

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Speaker 3: not affected. The technology we provide to other markets and

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Speaker 3: to the entire financial community were not affected. But of

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Speaker 3: course you can always learn lessons from those types of situations.

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Speaker 1: And we are partners with our clients.

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Speaker 3: We talk to them and work with them on run

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Speaker 3: they can effectuate to help manage those types of challenges

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Speaker 3: or at least prevent those types of challenges. As say now,

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Speaker 3: our fintech division is where we sell technology to other exchanges.

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Speaker 3: We have risk management technology, anti financial crime, regulatory reporting,

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Speaker 3: that actually grew sixteen percent. As we mentioned in the quarter,

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Speaker 3: We had sixty seven new clients sign up for technology.

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Speaker 3: We had almost one hundred of seals and four cross sales,

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Speaker 3: which actually is really starting to show the power of

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Speaker 4: As we prepare as we look forward to an election

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Speaker 4: the outcome of the November election for your clients.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we kind of look at the fact that Nazek

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Speaker 3: of course as a market we're successful in any administration.

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Speaker 1: I think that Nazac as.

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Speaker 3: A company, we really focus on managing through political cycles,

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Speaker 3: and we're you know, we've been here for fifty two years,

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Speaker 3: fifty two years. But I think that when it comes

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Speaker 1: What do corporates really look for?

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Speaker 3: I think they look for consistency, predictability, and in an

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Speaker 3: administration that really fosters growth and innovation because that really

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Speaker 3: I think that's what companies in general look for.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to to what Matt was

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Speaker 2: asking about these other businesses that are not IPOs, the

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Speaker 2: financial technology businesses. When you think about artificial intelligence generative AI,

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Speaker 2: where are you seeing the biggest payoff? Because you look

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Speaker 3: Well, first, I would say it's super important to get

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Speaker 3: your solution. So NAZEC has been investing in moving all

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Speaker 3: i'd say offense much more quickly. So a couple of

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Speaker 3: First is in our markets, we launched something called the

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Speaker 3: Midpoint Extended Life Order, which is an AI driven order type,

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Speaker 3: the first one that's SEC approved. We've seen a twenty

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Speaker 3: And then JENAI is a new technology that's really come

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Speaker 3: therefore then to take those capabilities in So in verifin

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Speaker 3: So it's really a great way to automate.

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Speaker 1: More of those workflows.

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Speaker 2: As a CEO, how do you think about future investment

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Speaker 3: Well, it's actually we say it's on the business and

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Speaker 3: But then you have to educate, and so we've been

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Speaker 3: starting to really get them to understand what's the power

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Speaker 1: Of our future. I want to ask separately from Nasdaq.

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Speaker 4: You're on the board of the New York Federal Reserve

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Speaker 4: and we've got some pretty stunning GDP numbers in today.

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Speaker 4: Two point nine percent, we got lower jobless claims then

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Speaker 4: and do we need rate cuts?

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Speaker 4: Do rates and IPOs I mean, is there an inverse

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Speaker 4: and you might prefer an IPO, and the opposite must

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Speaker 3: Well, actually I would look at a little differently. So

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Speaker 3: that is therefore, I think, had the effect that we've

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Speaker 3: seen on IPOs. Why has the IPO environment been so difficult,

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Speaker 3: it's because the cost of capital has gone up precipitously.

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Speaker 3: Investors have a hard time modeling future cash flows. Now

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Speaker 1: That makes it easier for them to.

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Speaker 3: Predict future cash flows, and we actually think that could

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Speaker 2: It's a whole market working on that valuation, said Adina,

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Speaker 2: We thank you so very much for your time. Of course,

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Speaker 2: that as Adena Friedman, chir and CEO of Nasdaq