1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's that. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Time of the year when you hear things some good 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: some bad fan bases get very mad at reporters when 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: they don't give you rainbows and birds chirping and a 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: pot of gold at the end of every little video clip. 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: Diana Russini knows that all too well, senior NFL insiders 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: for the athletic cover. 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: In the NFL for a decade now. 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: So I started my show today saying, listen to these 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: video clips. They all mean something, they all mean something, 18 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna start with Micah Parsons. So he said, 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a cowboy anymore. That's pretty 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: you know. It's funny because he was the twelfth pick. 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: He's actually still a top five or six cap hit 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: for defensive end. Like he's been well compensated. It's not 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: like Terry McLaurin, where he's wildly overproduced for his draft spot, 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: never made big money, and he's a Pro Bowl lever 25 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: level Hall of Fame level player. Were you surprised that 26 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Micah said I'm done being a cowboy? Did it surprise you? 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 4: No, Because it's one of those things you talk about 28 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 4: how you hear things. I'd heard early last week that 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 4: Micah had in his draft fold or this letter. So 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: I'd spoken to some people with other teams, and apparently 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 4: it was out there that come the second week or 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 4: third week of training camp, something was going to go down, 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 4: that they were going to make. 34 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 5: A bold move. 35 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: And Friday afternoon was that bold move Colin. Even even 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: Friday morning, I had reported that the relationship between Jerry 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 4: Jones and Micah Parsons was so damaged that a trade 38 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 4: could be on the table, And I mean everyone responded 39 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: wildly because you don't ask for Dallas Cowboy players don't 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 4: ask for. 41 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 5: Trades, right, that doesn't happen. We see it almost in 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 5: every other organization. It's just you don't do that. 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: Everyone wants to be a Dallas Cowboy because of what 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 4: it provides you as a player, not just when you 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 4: are currently, you know, playing the game of football with 46 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: the star in your helmet, but life afterwards. So a 47 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: few hours later, Micah posts the note and look, I. 48 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 5: Think it was stunning just because. 49 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 4: It's unheard of there, but in terms of the negotiations 50 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 4: and where they're at, Michael laid it out pretty well. 51 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: And you know, most people know what happened here with 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 4: the conversation that he thought was just discussing numbers and 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 4: a contract between the owner and him, not some binding 54 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 4: deal that was going to be permanent, you know. 55 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 5: So then of course when his agent finds out about. 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 4: This, he's like, no, you're not negotiating with Jerry Jones. 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 5: We're doing this now. 58 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 4: A lot of people have been pushing back on well, 59 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: Micah had that conversation with Jerry right like, he chose 60 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 4: to discuss it. He sat there. He's a grown man. 61 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 4: He understands what's happening. And so I asked somebody in 62 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 4: the league about Dak, like, how did Dak handle that? 63 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 4: You know, because Jerry's known to do this, to go 64 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 4: to a star players and talk about a deal, whether 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: it's Zach mart and Tony Roman. We've heard tons of 66 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 4: stories of him doing this and Dak said, I'll talk 67 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: to you, but I'm not talking numbers. Call Todd France, 68 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 4: my agent, Call my agent, right. So Micah had an 69 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: opportunity to do that, but he didn't do it. 70 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 5: And so I think that's the. 71 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 4: Cowboys perspective on this of it's not like we held 72 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 4: you to the fire and say your feet to the 73 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: fire and say you must do this, you want to 74 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: engage with us, whereas, of course the Michael Parsons side 75 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: to it. You know what that is in terms of 76 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: just my agent needs to be part of this. And 77 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: because of that, to me, this this says Jerry versus 78 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: Micah as extreme as extreme as it comes. 79 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: So here's the thing. 80 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: It's not that I haven't been burned by a source 81 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: in my life, because sometimes people get bad information, but 82 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: by and large I trust people, and I've had many 83 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: of the same pro football sources for a long time. 84 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: And what I hear about JJ McCarthy isn't what I 85 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: hear like the sometimes reported there is this almost protective 86 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: bubble or sort of an elevation of what he's doing, 87 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: and it's not what I'm hearing that there are real 88 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: concerns from last year on and again I so my 89 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: stuff is running counter to mostly what I hear. I mean, 90 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to divulge everything, but I feel 91 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: like in this one, and I said this before the draft, 92 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't hearing teams were rushing to get JJ McCarthy. 93 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: I knew two teams that wanted to move up from 94 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: Michael Pennox. I knew one that wanted to do move 95 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: up for Drake May and I didn't hear anybody moving 96 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: up for bon Nix. Sean Payton loved him, and that's 97 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: about he felt the way should But what I am 98 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: marrying on JJ McCarthy would not instill confidence. Do have 99 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: a bad source? I mean, what do you make of 100 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: the whole elevation of these stories that hey, he's be patient, 101 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: he's hitting it. 102 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: Where are we on that? 103 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 5: Well, first, let's go with what I can tell you. 104 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 4: Alec Lewis, the athletic Vikings reporter shares with me because 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 4: I talked to him pretty regularly, and it sounds like 106 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: it's just up and down right, So there's some good, 107 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: there's some bad. 108 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 5: So you know, to that idea. 109 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 4: That the bad clips don't need anything, I'm with you. 110 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 4: It means something, you know, At the same time, I've 111 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: had coaches tell me when I used to be more 112 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: of a beat reporter that sometimes you don't even know 113 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: what we're doing. There's a reason why we're doing the 114 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 4: certain things that we're doing it, and you guys are 115 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 4: just not informed. But that being said, I think what 116 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 4: you're pointing to it sounds like what you've noticed is 117 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 4: maybe something that I've noticed too, is there is a 118 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 4: lot of lifting up of JJ McCarthy, right, And some 119 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 4: of that's good because you want to give this young 120 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: quarterback coming off a very serious injury, who obviously struggled 121 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 4: with sitting out right. 122 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 5: We saw the fact that he lost all that weight. 123 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 4: And I know the Vikings don't want to make a 124 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 4: big thing of that because that's just a part of 125 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 4: the process of dealing with a significant injury. 126 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 5: But it's also difficult to be. 127 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 4: Sitting there when you're supposed to be the guy, and 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: Sam Donald's out there at one point looking like the 129 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: star of the show, right, And then you have an 130 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 4: organization who makes the decision to let Sam Donald walk. 131 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 5: They want to keep. 132 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, but they don't want to pay what Daniel 133 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 4: Jones wants because Daniel Jones wants to be the guy. 134 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 5: Right. 135 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: Those guys left Minnesota for a reason because it was 136 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: made very clear to them no matter what, JJ McCarthy 137 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: is the guy. 138 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 5: So what is it? 139 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 4: Is it because Kevin O'Connell truly believes that JJ is 140 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: this superb cue who's going to come in here and 141 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 4: turn this organ around him where they finally got their guy? 142 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 4: I mean possibly, is it just because of what they 143 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 4: did in the draft for him? Is it because they 144 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 4: need these moves to get JJ McCarthy? Is there an 145 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: ownership influence here? So there's always a lot of factors 146 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: to your point. But I think to just suc succinctly 147 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: answer your question, do I think JJ McCarthy is wowing 148 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 4: everyone at training camp? 149 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 5: No, I don't. I think he's fine. 150 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 4: I still think Justin Jefferson told me what I needed 151 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 4: to know when he spoke to the media before his 152 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 4: injury and was like, essentially everyone needs to slow down here, 153 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 4: like he is still learning and we have to be 154 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 4: able to give him some of this grace here. So 155 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: while yes, I get why the organization is going, oh 156 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: my gosh, JJ McCarty, And if you follow anything Vikings related, 157 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 4: you would. 158 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 5: Think this guy is the next biggest. 159 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: Quarterback to play, and I think they're gonna be just 160 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: disappointed because there's going to be a natural period of 161 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: time time where he's just got to catch up and 162 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: feel comfortable in this offense. 163 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 5: So I'm with you. I'm just I'm not bought in 164 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 5: all the way. 165 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: I just think there's just gonna be some time here 166 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: before we can get to a point where we can 167 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: have a serious conversation here and go is he the 168 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 4: guy or not? 169 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 5: Now it's different than when I was in Denver. 170 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 4: Right, there's no question mark who bonis is, what he is, 171 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 4: how they believe in them. They're doing the same stuff 172 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 4: of building him up, but there's more proof there. Right, 173 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 4: We've seen it, We've seen the talent, and even having 174 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: conversations with Bonicks, you hear it, you hear the confidence. 175 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: You can understand that he's taking a step forward here 176 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 4: in getting what he's being asked of from Champagne. 177 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: By the way, it's interesting last year dan Quinn was 178 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: just overwhelmingly impressed with Jaden Daniels. Coaches kind of suppress 179 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: comments in camp, so you knew Jaden Daniels was something. 180 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: It was the same thing with Andrew Luck. 181 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: You know, when I forget the coach, was it Pegano 182 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: or Bruce arians whoever it was, they were just saying, 183 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: and oh, this Andrew Luck kid from Stanford. This is insane. 184 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, from what I can tell, can't help himself 185 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: with this Denver roster. I mean you were there, I 186 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: mean he is. I think he loves this team, and 187 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it's false optimism. 188 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: You just spent time with him. 189 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a good point to be made though, right, 190 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: Like some coaches are just gonna yell at you to 191 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 4: tell you how great their team is because there's actually 192 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 4: nothing there, right, and. 193 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 5: It's almost like hope. I don't get that sense from Sean, 194 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 5: who's really smart with the media. He's got his. 195 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: Finger on the pulse of all his locker rooms from 196 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 4: over the years, going back to his d's in New Orleans. 197 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: He knows what his team needs, and he knows that 198 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: there's some young players here and Bo is young in 199 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 4: developing and Grenned. I know he's twenty five and he's 200 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 4: got five years of college experience, but this next step 201 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 4: is big for him, and so I do think there's 202 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: a little bit of Sean pumping them up to let 203 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 4: bou know, like, I love you, and you're right, he's 204 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 4: in love with this team. But for a guy that 205 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: loves offense, and we'll talk your ear off about his quarterback, 206 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 4: if he loves the guy, it's his defense that he 207 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 4: knows is the strength of this team. Even I was 208 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 4: there for the first day of pads and he's like, oh, 209 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 4: did you see green Law out there? 210 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 6: Do you see him? 211 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, I saw him, you know. 212 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 4: Because this is really the first time we've seen Denver 213 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 4: have a really good, you know, middle part of that 214 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 4: defense that from five is obviously ferocious Patrick Sartan, the 215 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 4: reigning defensive player of the Year. 216 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 5: They've got something special and I know that. 217 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: And you know, Colin, I asked Patrick Sirtan to rank 218 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 4: quarterbacks for me to just, you know, just give me 219 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 4: the obvious ones that we all know, and I just 220 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 4: want to. 221 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 5: Hear where you go. And so, you know, it always 222 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 5: gets icy five and six, Right, we all go. 223 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 4: We all start with Patrick and Lamar and Josh and 224 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 4: Joe and Justin right and then it's like, okay, now 225 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 4: we're away. 226 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: Is it? 227 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 5: Jalen is it? And and Patrick stop me because I 228 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 5: was ready to go. 229 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 6: Hurt said. 230 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 5: He was the one who was like bon Nicks. I'm like, 231 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 5: what what like? Are you like not? 232 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like Bonix. You will see I practice against 233 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 4: them every day. I'm telling you, you got to watch 234 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: Bonix this year. And most of it is just this 235 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 4: understanding that that Nicks has in the offense. It's just 236 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: he's really taking that step forward of getting the why 237 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 4: behind it, why everything they're doing. 238 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 239 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: and noon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 240 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 241 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 7: Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 242 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 7: five to seven pm Eastern. 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Listen Over Promised with Cavino and 267 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 8: Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 268 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 8: get your podcasts. 269 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: Diana Russini, Senior NFL insider, I can tell you've been 270 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: a camp. You got the nice summer can you're out 271 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: there working journalists. Journalism doesn't have to be in a 272 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: cold dark room where we all get pale. 273 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 3: You can get out there and get get some vitamin D. 274 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: It's okay. 275 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: This is actually this is a fun time of the 276 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: in a way, it's a fun time of the year 277 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: for all you guys, right you. 278 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 5: Camp love it. 279 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 4: I love everyone is op domistic. 280 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 5: Players all want to do your show. They want to 281 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 5: talk to you. They want to discuss their their regiment 282 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 5: with their eating, with their plannet. Just and there's also 283 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 5: a lot of boredom, right, Like, guys are in camp. 284 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 4: Every day is the same, so just new faces is 285 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 4: exciting to them. 286 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 5: But yeah, this is the highlight. 287 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 4: And so I'm gonna lose like three shades, as you know, 288 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: by November. And you know, maybe we can get some 289 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 4: fake tan deal here on the show and we'll get 290 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 4: a sponsored segment just you know, Hollywood tans or something, 291 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 4: just to keep the glow. 292 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: You know, Diane, great seniors always. I appreciate you, all right, 293 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: Diana Verssini. Camps are fun. The videos are crazy. 294 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: By the way, did you see j mcau chador was 295 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: held out of camp Shadeur Sanders because of shoulder soreness. 296 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: That's what happens when you carry the franchise. You think 297 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: shoulders get a little sore. So there's another story out 298 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: today where they may move off a couple of their 299 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks. I know they're bad. I am fascinated. It's 300 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: just like mystery. I don't know what they're doing in 301 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,599 Speaker 1: clear the quarterback. I thought it was going to be 302 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Flacco trade Kenny Pickett for a sixth. 303 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: Rounder and keep the young guys. Anyway, I think. 304 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: That's your first story. 305 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: This is the headline news. 306 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 6: Yes, boy, you're getting good at this teas thing in 307 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 6: the business. Colin to tease. Let's start with Shador Sanders. 308 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 6: Obviously all eyes on the Browns. What five six, seven quarterbacks? Well, 309 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 6: Shadure has been held out of team drills due to 310 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 6: arm soreness. Now they have their first preseason game this Friday. 311 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 6: Shador also addressed why his dad told him not He 312 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 6: told his dad not to come to camp. Take a listen. 313 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 9: I don't want him coming to see me right now 314 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 9: because I want to I want to get to where 315 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 9: I want to go in for him to see me. 316 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 9: I don't want him to come and see me. You know, 317 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 9: get a couple of reps and you know he's cheering, 318 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 9: like a good dad, Like, nah, you can't be proud 319 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 9: of me right now. I gotta get where I'm going, 320 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 9: and I know it's a lot I got to do 321 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 9: to get there. So it's kind of like I just 322 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 9: want everything that I'm doing is just like focus on 323 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 9: this time, and I don't want to know distraction because 324 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 9: we know out of media, we know how everybody would 325 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 9: take it and take away from the team. 326 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: At least saying the right stuff. Yeah, sounds good. 327 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 6: I am hearing a lot about a fifth round draft pick. 328 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 6: I think this is the most discussed fifth round quarterback 329 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 6: in the history of NFL football history. 330 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: Is that fair? 331 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're right before he's taking a stat 332 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 6: in the preseason. 333 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: Well, it's also Cleveland has such a dysfunctional history at 334 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: quarterback that I think, I mean, if he was doing, 335 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: if he was with the Jags, we wouldn't Cleveland's you know, 336 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: it's one of the top ten brands. They've had so 337 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: many quarterback missteps. I think part of it's just the 338 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: environment makes it even more entering. I mean, obviously, if 339 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: your last name is Sanders and football, Yeah, I just 340 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't know why I care so much, but I'm 341 00:15:59,040 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: into it. 342 00:15:59,400 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 10: Yeah. 343 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 6: Besides Shador's shoulder soreness, Kenny Pickett, Hammy Dylan Gabriel has 344 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 6: been limited today due to a hamstring injury, they're just 345 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 6: falling apart in Cleveland. Everybody's all stressed out, they're tight, 346 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 6: they're trying to win the job, and now everybody's kind 347 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 6: of banged up. Colin. I mean, listen, you and I 348 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 6: are playing banged up coming off vacation, right, Yeah, I'm. 349 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: Not at one hundred percent run. I could tell, trust me, 350 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: I could tell. Let's go to college. 351 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 6: Football Collin, where the preseason coaches poll was released. And 352 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 6: this is something of a shocker, but our first big 353 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 6: noon game of the week features the top two teams 354 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 6: in the country. Texas won, Ohio State two. Here is 355 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 6: the rest of the top twenty five. 356 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: Penn State. 357 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 6: Who you love to go to the national championship is three, 358 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 6: Notre Dame five, Clemson six. Your thoughts. 359 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how good George is at quarterback, and 360 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how good Ohio State is at quarterback. 361 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: I know I've seen the kid play the high school stuff. 362 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: I think Texas Penn State. I would put one in two, 363 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: probably probably Texas one, Penn State two. I'd probably put 364 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: Ohio State three. I'll tell you, Marcus Freeman has done 365 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: a great job at Notre Dame. He's just got great energy. 366 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: The Notre Dame has done. I didn't know what they 367 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: were going to get when Brian Kelly left. Their recruiting's better. 368 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: He's done a great job. This is a really good 369 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: Clemson team. Really, it's the best Clemson team in a 370 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: long time. They return a ton of starters. Oregon's always good, 371 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: Bama is always good. I like neuss Meyer, the quarterback 372 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: at LSU. 373 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: We'll see on Miami. I don't know. 374 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 6: And can we zoom out and get more than the 375 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 6: top ten because Colin. One team I do not see 376 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 6: on here is North Carolina. They did not crack the 377 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 6: preseason coaches Top twenty five, even though the schedule is 378 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 6: a joke. And my team of destiny the Texas Tech 379 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 6: Red Raiders checking in at twenty four. I'm just telling you, 380 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 6: if you are in one of these vegas or a 381 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 6: gambling city and you want to put some couple bucks 382 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 6: on a team, keep an eye on Texas Tech. 383 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: I will add. 384 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 6: South Carolina is thirteen. We were vacationing. We ran into 385 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 6: a couple for They go to every South Carolina game. 386 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 6: Their whole fall revolves around South Carolina. They are terrified 387 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 6: of the Clemson game. I guess in the Deep South 388 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 6: right now, everybody's hyping your Clemson Tigers They're good as 389 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 6: a stack team because the quarterback is back and the 390 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 6: defensive line is loaded. I need to see it Colinas. 391 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 6: I've heard about Clemson last few years. They've been disappointing. 392 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: I've got added three transfer portal guys this year, which 393 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: is more than they'd added in the previous like five years. 394 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: Like they don't do the transfer portal, and I think 395 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: Daboll looked at it and thought, we got a chance 396 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: to win a Natty, we better clean some stuff up. 397 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: But it's a I mean, Clemson's a great brand. I 398 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: think I've said this before. I think Penn State's backfield 399 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: is insane, and I think Texas's roster is insane. I 400 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: may think Ohio State's the best team in the country. 401 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: I have to watch the opener. They're quarterbacks. A five 402 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: star quarterback. He could be unbelievable. I just haven't seen 403 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: him play in a big spot, so we'll see. I 404 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: may by halftime of game one to Gohio because Ohio 405 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: State has the two best players and I don't think 406 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: it's close in college football. Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs 407 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: are easily the two best players in college. 408 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 6: Coming into the season. Yet by the end of the season. 409 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 6: Arts Mannon could be up there. 410 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: We'll see. 411 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 6: I don't think at the beginning he's going to be 412 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 6: there for a new offensive lineman. Anyways, final story, Colin 413 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 6: to the w NBA where we're actually talking about the sport. 414 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: With Caitlin Clark not playing. 415 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 6: Oh but it's a Caitlin Clark topic. Anyway. She missed 416 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 6: her seventh straight game due to a groin injury, and 417 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 6: they've won five in a row without her. Here is 418 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 6: head coach Stephanie White talking about why Caitlyn's absence can 419 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 6: be viewed positively. 420 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 10: I said it early when c was out the very 421 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 10: first time. You know, while we don't like it at 422 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 10: some times, it can be a blessing in disguise because 423 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 10: everybody else finds themselves right and no one is afraid 424 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 10: to make the big play offensively or defensively. 425 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 3: Well, Sophie Cunningham, she got a new podcast. You guys 426 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: should check it out. So uh interest. 427 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 6: By the way, the Fever Colin are here this week 428 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 6: against the La Sparks, who got Cameron brink back, and 429 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 6: my family was all stoked to go to the game 430 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 6: and now Kaitlin Clark's not gonna play. You know, and 431 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 6: it's like, I don't go. I would go without Kaylen 432 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 6: Clark there. 433 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: Well, she's going to be in the arena. 434 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 6: Okay, so we're getting autographs now, I mean, like, you know, 435 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 6: putting out a lot of money to go to these games. 436 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 6: You want the stars there. You know. If you tell 437 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 6: me that Patrick Mahomes is coming to so Fi to 438 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 6: play the Rams and then all of a sudden Mahomes 439 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 6: is out, Am I going to the game? 440 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: Well they would they would be no good without Mahomes 441 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: and the Fever on Fire without Kaylen Clark. Maybe you 442 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: could just support the wnby I do I do? 443 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 9: You know with. 444 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: Daughters, maybe you could just support the whole league there 445 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: via good dad all way. Sophie Cunning ams on fire. 446 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: She's shooting like forty two on threes and has a 447 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: new podcast. 448 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 3: Did I mention that? 449 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, that twice. You've now mentioned that twice. What's 450 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 6: the what's the why did you grab her as a 451 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 6: podcaster because of her pregame outfits? 452 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: Is that? 453 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 6: Is that what's going on? 454 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: Because she's smart and then no bs and cuts to 455 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: the chase. 456 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 6: That's why you hired me too, right, no. 457 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: Different reasons, you know, somebody had to carry the Sam 458 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: snide around here. 459 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 6: We have SAMs okay nineteen eighties references. 460 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: Oh JM, well that's the news and thanks for stopping 461 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: by the Herd Line news man. 462 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: The camps to everybody say, oh this camp video, you 463 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: can't make my you listen. Fans want Fans want positive, 464 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: especially on young quarterbacks. People get very defensive one quarterback. 465 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: So Jayden Daniels is an a bow Nix is a 466 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: good b. I think Dre Drake mays a be so far. 467 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 1: I think Panix is going to work that the people 468 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: that are concerned about Panics, it's mostly an Atlanta Falcons thing. 469 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 3: It's not a Michael Pennocks thing. I don't know. I 470 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 3: will say this in total honesty. 471 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: Before he was drafted, I was very confident in Kayleb Williams. 472 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: After year one. 473 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm confident in Caleb Williams. After this camp, I'm kind 474 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: of confident in Caleb Williams. So it's come down a 475 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: little bit. We'll see, we'll see. 476 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: It's the hurt. 477 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 478 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: in noon. Easter not a Empacific. 479 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: Another reason not to love the Cowboys. 480 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 6: This year. 481 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: I just got a picture with this Jack Brian Shott, 482 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: and I'm of the coach. You know, I don't like 483 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: backward hats. What's worse as a backward visor. That's a 484 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: two win team, I'm taking away four wins. That's awful. 485 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: That's so bad. 486 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 6: If you see a guy wearing a backwards visor, you 487 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 6: think one word, it's inappropriate for TV. But like, could 488 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 6: you hang with Like if I rolled up to play 489 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 6: golf with you and I had a backward visor on, 490 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 6: would you just pretend like you don't know me? 491 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: Coin I would just say, And I know everybody gets 492 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: mad at this, I only really care. Like, for instance, 493 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: Bank of America is behind him. It's a big sponsor. 494 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: And so I do think if you're the head coach 495 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: or the quarterback of an organization and you do press conferences, 496 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: you're not only representing yourself. That's very selfish and narcissistic. 497 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: You are representing the Dallas Cowboys and you're representing Bank 498 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: of America. That's probably a huge team sponsor. They probably 499 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: paid eight million bucks or something like that, seven million 500 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: bucks to the Cowboys or you know, some big money deal. 501 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: So I tend to think here's what men do very poorly. 502 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: Men often don't think of others in social situations. 503 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 3: It's how do I look can have? 504 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: I think women tend to be a little more self aware, 505 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: a little less narcissism. So when you sit in front 506 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: of a podium, you're representing the Cowboys, you're representing Bank 507 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: of America, you're representing a twelve billion dollar corporation. I 508 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: think you got to do better as a head coach 509 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: than an advisor. 510 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 6: Backwards, he looks, like my take, he looks like a 511 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 6: dad trying way too hard at like the neighborhood cookout 512 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 6: to impress like his teenage son's friends. 513 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: Yo, what's up fellas? 514 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 6: You know he's got the backward hat. 515 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't mind players do like 516 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: a practice is over and listen. I in the summer, 517 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: where I go, where's that in Rhode Island. There's a 518 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: lot of people with their hats on backwards. But you 519 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: don't do it at the really nice restaurant in town 520 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: because it just it's just like it's like it's a 521 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: really classy restaurant, so you just wouldn't do it there. 522 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: The like there there are an area in this hotel 523 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: I go to occasionally that has a membership. Are you 524 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: have to wear a jacket or you're not allowed in 525 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: like there are there are dress codes. There isn't a 526 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: dress code in the NFL. But I do think when 527 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: you are in front of the team logo and the 528 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: big bank sponsor which everybody has on Wednesday, and your quarterback, 529 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: I don't really care about any other position. 530 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: I really don't, but. 531 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: There is something there are certain to say that it 532 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: never matters if you're walking the red carpet. You're a 533 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: director of a You're you're the lead actor in a 534 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: Disney film with Steven Spielberg. You're representing Steven Spielberg and Disney, 535 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: not just you. You want to look the part you 536 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: want to you know, you're you're representing a staff, a corporation, 537 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: a legendary director. 538 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: That stuff. 539 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to look like a guy that's here 540 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: to move my couch like. I want you to do 541 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: better than that. 542 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 6: Let me ask you some and I'll never forget this. 543 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 6: You know, we got married way back in the day 544 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 6: and this dude who came with a girl who was 545 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 6: friends with my wife. He wore a short sleeve white shirt, 546 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 6: no tie. I was irate When I saw this guy, 547 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 6: I'm like, look, you're at a wedding, you don't even 548 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 6: know me or any and you showed up without a 549 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 6: tie and a white shirt that was short sleeves. And 550 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 6: I to this day haven't forgotten this clown. And I'm 551 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 6: just curious, Like it's similar to this, Like you're in 552 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 6: front of the Bank of America sign representing the Cowboys 553 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 6: and you ring a backwards visor. 554 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 3: It just screams like what. 555 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 6: Are you doing? 556 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 3: Listen again. 557 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: I know I'm in the minority, but I'm also I 558 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: also know, based on what people talk about in the summer, 559 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: that I don't care about a lot of things people 560 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: care about, Like I don't care. I've never bought People magazine. 561 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: A lot of Americans care about that stuff. 562 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 3: I don't. 563 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't watch certain movies, I don't watch certain things. 564 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying I'm aligned with the country. I'm 565 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: just saying, in my opinion is I'll give you an example. 566 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: When I go out and people take a picture with me, 567 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: because I work at Fox, I put. 568 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: The drink down. It doesn't hurt me at all. 569 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: I know people, but if I if I'm doing a picture, 570 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: I've always put the drink down or I put it 571 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: out of the picture because I'm representing the Murdoch family 572 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: and I don't need to. I wouldn't be fined, I 573 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't get in trouble. Nobody would. But that's just my default, 574 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it's my I can 575 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: hear my dad talking about certain things, like you know, 576 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: like like I remember when I was going to college, 577 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: or I'm going to dress up, or I meet somebody, 578 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: and my dad, would you wear a collared shirt? And 579 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: so again, this is how I guess I was raised. 580 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: But there's a reason that country clubs and private clubs 581 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: you have to wear collared shirts and jackets. So there's 582 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: a reason for that, like there's a standard. So I 583 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: and I don't think it matters. I mean, if you 584 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: go if you want to clean your garage, or you're 585 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: out with buddies in a public golf court and not 586 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: you're in a sports bar. 587 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about that. 588 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: I just I do think head coaches feel different than 589 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, quarterbacks and head coaches. 590 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: For that's just my opinion. 591 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 6: So you're saying, if somebody comes up to me, they 592 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 6: take a photo and I'm double fisting alcoholic beverages. Maybe 593 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 6: put those down. It's not a good. 594 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you have to I And I'm sure 595 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: there's probably a picture where I'm not. But I just 596 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: always if I'm out at a place and somebody wants a selfie, 597 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: which happens four times a day, it happened ten times 598 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: yesterday because I was at a place that was public, 599 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: that's fine. But I'm gonna make sure I'm not holding 600 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: a big can of schlitz. Just you know it, just 601 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm and it's not an elitist thing. It's a I'm 602 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: representing more than myself. 603 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 6: Boy boy, well, just a flex and a half there 604 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 6: people want to take my photo. 605 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to club. 606 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: It's not a flex. It's at the bottom line. You 607 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: could be a politician, you could be a local news anchor. 608 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: Everybody wants a selfie these days. That's just the reality 609 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: of the country we live in. This doesn't matter, it 610 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: doesn't That's just the way the world we live in. 611 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: I mean, people are taking pictures of their food all day. Yes, 612 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: occasionally public figures have people wanting. Seriously, if you go 613 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: to a restaurant, anybody under thirty is taking pictures of 614 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: their food. I don't get it, but whatever I do 615 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: that okay, Well, I am right. So earlier today Matt 616 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: Hasselbeck showed up, and you know, the Mica Partson situation. 617 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: One of the things I've always felt Diana Russini touched 618 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: on this. If you're a Dallas Cowboy like Dak Prescott, 619 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: if you take out Patrick Mahomes in the entire league 620 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: right now, I bet you, not just on salary, but 621 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: on endorsements. I would guess Dak Prescott has made more 622 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: money than everybody but Patrick Mahomes in this league, including 623 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, including Josh Allen. And why do I believe that, 624 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: Because if you're the Dallas Cowboys, if you're a quarterback 625 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: or a star player for the Dallas Cowboys, you're just 626 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: discussed more. You're going to get podcast offers, production company offers, 627 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: You're going to get commercials. So I do think about that. 628 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: I always said this with Dwayne Wade. You got pat 629 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: Riley spoils from Mickey Harrison, no state tax, aqua water 630 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: in a winter league like there are be it's to 631 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: playing for the Miami Heat. If you have to play, 632 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: if you have to play on the Eastern Seaboard, you 633 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: can do a lot worse than the Miami Heat. Great organization, 634 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: great fans, unbelievable support. And my take on the holdout is, 635 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: you know you've been fairly compensated. You're gonna get paid. 636 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't make it pissy. I wouldn't make it public. 637 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: I just wouldn't do that. Terry McLaurin, it's a totally 638 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: different situation. I totally have his back. Here's hasselback earlier 639 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: on the Michael Micah Parson situation. 640 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 11: Jerry Jones seems to like be fine with this kind 641 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 11: of conflict, fine with this kind of drama, but he 642 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 11: also doesn't seem like the kind of owner that wants 643 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 11: to get like pushed around publicly. So you know, there's 644 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 11: a part of me that says, hey, this is Michael Parsons. 645 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 11: Figure it out, closed the door, include the agent. Then 646 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 11: there's another part of me that says, hey, why don't 647 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 11: you just punt on this year anyway, Go out and 648 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 11: get like the most amazing draft package for next year 649 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 11: and really start focusing this team on next year because 650 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,479 Speaker 11: I've really don't know that you can compete with Philly 651 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 11: and that you can compete really with Washington. And then 652 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 11: the rest of the NFC. 653 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a further record. The only quarterback that made 654 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: more money off the field last year than Dak was 655 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. So that's why I always say with Dak, 656 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: I'm not telling guys to take pay cuts. But it's like, dude, 657 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: you've made like three hundred million bucks off the field 658 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: or some astronomical number. You need more good players around you. Now, 659 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: maybe Dak could argue, well, I don't trust what the 660 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys would do with the money, but I mean, Breeze, 661 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: Brady Mahomes have taken team friendly deals and they got 662 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot of rings. I'm just looking for Dak to 663 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: win back to back playoff games. 664 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 665 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: I do think there are advantages playing with the Dallas 666 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: Cowboys that you don't get other places. And by the way, 667 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: Texas has no state tax. Dallas a beautiful place to 668 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: live for a young single athlete, young married athletes. Dallas 669 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: a wonderful place to live. It's just there are advantages, 670 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to mess with the guys money. 671 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: But I don't like the way Mike is handling his business. 672 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: I don't love it. Terry McLaurin is a totally different situation. 673 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: He's wildly outperformed his contract. He has been the shining 674 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: light until last year of a messy franchise. He's been 675 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: a quality human being, a great adult, a great leader, 676 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: a great player, an unbelievable playoff performer. Terry McLaurin I 677 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: would pay today, I'd overpay Terry McLaurin. And he's on 678 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. That matters a lot 679 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: to me too. 680 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 3: Not all holdouts are the same. Yes, Ryan, I'll give 681 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: you a selfie later. 682 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and even my own staff's reality. 683 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 3: We'll see tomorrows.