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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Shannon Sharp, host of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 1: am the proprietor and the host of Club Sha Shay.

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Speaker 1: And my guest really doesn't need any introduction. He's a

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Speaker 1: sociology professor. He's a reverend. He's a friend. He can

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Speaker 1: watch politically, about religion, about race, about the hip hop culture.

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Speaker 1: And he's also the author of the book Tears. I

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Speaker 1: cannot stop, Doctor Michael Eric Dyson. All my life, the grinding,

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Speaker 1: all my life, sacrifice, hustle beck Price, one slice got

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Speaker 1: the dice, swap all my life. I've been grinding all

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Speaker 1: my life, rush all my life and grinning all my life. Sacrifice,

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Speaker 1: hustle back Price, one slice got the dice, swap all

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Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding all my life. Hello, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Club Sha Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharp,

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Speaker 1: and today's guest is extraordinary. He's a sociology professor at

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Speaker 1: Georgetown University. He's hippop culture, he's sports culture. He's a minister.

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Speaker 1: He's a pastor. He's a reverend. Doc When you when

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Speaker 1: I prefer when I refer to you, do you prefer

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Speaker 1: to be called a minister, a pastor, or reverend. Cha's friends. Friend.

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Speaker 1: That's good enough for me. Great friend, and I don't

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Speaker 1: use the word I don't use that word friend lightly.

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Speaker 1: Great friend. We have conversation, we pick up the phone

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Speaker 1: and talk to each other. We're just not friends because

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Speaker 1: we're doing this interview. We actually converse all the telephone

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Speaker 1: frequently often, so people need to understand the depth of

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Speaker 1: our relationship. Absolutely, I'm so honored. And that is telling

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Speaker 1: the absolute truth. And we talk back and forth. I

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Speaker 1: learned so much. I get it off for free. I

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Speaker 1: it off for free. Like I said, Doc, thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on the day. And let's jump right into it.

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Speaker 1: The current state of America. And I think the biggest

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Speaker 1: thing that we see is the racial divide between the

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Speaker 1: black minority community and our white counterparts. And we see

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Speaker 1: the unarmed killing of black men and women in America.

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Speaker 1: George Floyd tipped it off. And then we see the

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Speaker 1: Blake situation. We see all my Brooks, we see Sandra Bland,

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Speaker 1: we see Walter Scott dot We can go on and on.

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Speaker 1: What do you think got us here? No, it's a

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Speaker 1: great point, and you laid them out there. Richard Brooks

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Speaker 1: I'm an our very George Floyd. I mean, and and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately and tragically, I mean, when we add Sandra Blake

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Speaker 1: or he of Boyd or Brianna Taylor, we can We're

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Speaker 1: gonna add more names after this appears. That's part of

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Speaker 1: the tragedy, right right. And what God is here is

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Speaker 1: the persistence of white supremacy. What God is here is

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Speaker 1: that from the slave plantation, when the slave patrols were

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Speaker 1: you know, black people could get a pass to go

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Speaker 1: to visit their girlfriends or wives or husbands and the

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Speaker 1: like from plantation to plantation, but if they were disobeying

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Speaker 1: any rules, or if the slave owner didn't like what

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Speaker 1: they were doing, they would send those darned slave patrols out.

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Speaker 1: They were the predecessors to the police. So in early

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Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds in Virginia and other places, the police have

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Speaker 1: essentially been trying to arrest black mobility and to stop

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Speaker 1: black freedom. And as bad as that sounds, we've been

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Speaker 1: have rules and regulation, get them back by any means necessary,

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Speaker 1: and if they disobeyed, you have the right to use forth,

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Speaker 1: even if that fourth is deadly forth. Now, you would

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Speaker 1: I'd like to think we've progressed as a society, that

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Speaker 1: the rules would not be in today's society like it

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Speaker 1: just put it there, you framed it. We should be

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Speaker 1: Is there? I mean, they're still killing us in the

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Speaker 1: same way. Yeah, as you said, back on the plantation,

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Speaker 1: they had some ostensible rules, but not really. You know, now,

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what. The only time reparations has

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Speaker 1: I want reparations. Ain't that a trip? So the reality

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Speaker 1: is is that we've been dealing with this from the

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Speaker 1: get goal that you would think there would be rules,

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Speaker 1: but qualified immunity means is back on slave plantation side.

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Speaker 1: Qualified immunity means that the Constitution gives to local authorities,

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Speaker 1: we're living in a society where, yes, you're absolutely right,

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Speaker 1: But it ain't so, as my man said, it ain't

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Speaker 1: necessarily so. The things in the Bible, they just might

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Speaker 1: be libel, and that's what he was saying. Play and

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Speaker 1: the stuff in the law books might just be something

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Speaker 1: And even if it's on the books, if it doesn't

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Speaker 1: can't be held libel unless you can prove that it

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Speaker 1: was so egregious that he that he violated you in

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Speaker 1: the most in the most heinous of terms. But they've

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Speaker 1: made that burden so hot dog, there's no way on

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Speaker 1: a consistent basis that you'll be able to clear that bar.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't clear the bar, You can't clear

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Speaker 1: the darn establishment. Ain't none you gonna clear. To give

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Speaker 1: you an example, tell us when it has been done.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it has been, it's extremely rare. The

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Speaker 1: A few of the cops have been fired here and there,

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Speaker 1: but for the most part, qualified immunity has exempted them

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Speaker 1: and God bless them. I don't want anybody to be hurt.

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Speaker 1: I don't want cops to be hurt. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, if they if you hurt their eyelashes, there

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Speaker 1: is a hunt throughout the land. One of them hurts

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Speaker 1: I remember when I was when I was a kid

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Speaker 1: And I remember when my grandmother my grandfather would watch

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Speaker 1: lot of times they didn't do anything to justify dyeing.

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Speaker 1: They didn't do anything to justify the treatment at the

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what they did. They breathe, They breathe,

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Speaker 1: They existed. They were black and speaking. They were black

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Speaker 1: don't get to the point of I can't breathe, let

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Speaker 1: me breathe. Oh my god, you're off limits. And I'm

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Speaker 1: being facetious, brother Shannon, But you know, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: There is no provocation. There is no you know, thing

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Speaker 1: I both have been subject to that. I know I

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Speaker 1: I'm not one of these causing no trouble, you know.

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Speaker 1: And what difference does it make though? The ones who

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Speaker 1: I know I don't want white men to get upset

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Speaker 1: his he called us a white boy, Mike all him.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking white boys under seventeen. I've seen white men

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Speaker 1: Simpson case. Y'all saw one thing, we saw another thing.

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Speaker 1: more even since then in ninety five. Why is it

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Speaker 1: And the thing that it hearns me, it makes me

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Speaker 1: seeth is that when they say I don't see color,

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Speaker 1: stop lying, because if you don't see color, you don't

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Speaker 1: They treated Colin Kaepernick whords, and they treated dudes who

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Speaker 1: had been he was a rape and came back in

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Speaker 1: the league, or violence in the in the league, or

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Speaker 1: killed somebody in the league. I mean, it's amazing. And

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Speaker 1: many of those white gms really felt that he was

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Speaker 1: one of the most horrible people in the NFL. This

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Speaker 1: is the consequence of white blindness, white privilege, not seeing color.

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Speaker 1: And so when you say, oh, if y'all would be

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Speaker 1: less violent, like you said, doctor King wasn't violent at all.

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Speaker 1: He taught people how to take the nastiness, to take

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Speaker 1: the blows. He taught people how to take the bows.

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Speaker 1: Think about this. Normally we had what we call self present.

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Speaker 1: If somebody is hitting on you, I'm gonna try and

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Speaker 1: fight you back. I'm trying to get you off me

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Speaker 1: by any means necessary. So if I'm close to a brick,

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Speaker 1: i won't pick that brick up, and I'm gonna try

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Speaker 1: to stop you from hitting me upside my head. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna try to get you to turn that water Canada.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try to get that dog to unleash me.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. But that's not what he taught

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Speaker 1: those That's not what they did. No, you're absolutely right.

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00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: He taught them discipline, moral, and ethical self regard restraint

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Speaker 1: they practice. White people would come and call them in

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Speaker 1: words and all that and unleashed dogs. And they were practicing.

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Speaker 1: So then when they really felt it, it's like y'all

451
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Speaker 1: when you were out there Hall of Famer, out there

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Speaker 1: on y'all were on the on the on the practice

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Speaker 1: squad I had doing your thing, and every day on

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Speaker 1: the gridird. You know, two days they were running, two

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Speaker 1: days suicide seals. Basically, uh, to try to be able

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Speaker 1: to deal with white folks who would come at them.

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Speaker 1: So where is this notion that if you do it

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Speaker 1: the right way it will be accepted. The white ministers

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Speaker 1: of Birmingham, Alabama, one rabbi and seven I think Protestant

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Speaker 1: ministers wrote a letter to King. You're going too fast,

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Speaker 1: You're asking for too much. Don't don't, don't come into

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Speaker 1: our neighborhood. This is non violent, so that proves your point.

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Speaker 1: The letter to Birmingham Jail was written from King in

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Speaker 1: a response to eight clergymen seven or eight clergymen who

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Speaker 1: were upset with the non violent protests of the black

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Speaker 1: folk in Birmingham. Son, no matter what you do, they

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Speaker 1: gonna be upset. They gonna write letters, they're gonna say

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Speaker 1: they ain't the right way. And the bottom line is

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Speaker 1: that often white brothers and sisters didn't do anything about

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Speaker 1: our suffering until there was looting in violence. That's the tragedy.

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Speaker 1: And that's not on the backs of those who were

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Speaker 1: so upset that they did that. That's on the backs

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Speaker 1: who claim to be American, who claim to be citizens

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Speaker 1: of conscience, but who can't hear Black people unless a

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Speaker 1: building is burning. And then you try to pathologize them

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Speaker 1: and say that they are ridiculous and that they have

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Speaker 1: no morals. And yet every day you are sustaining a

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Speaker 1: culture that disregards their humanity and that provokes them ultimately

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Speaker 1: to engage in sometimes rather desperate activities because they've done

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Speaker 1: a great job of portraying blacks by their worst, by

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Speaker 1: want us, but want us to look at the cops

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Speaker 1: by their best. I say, you can't have it like that.

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Speaker 1: You can't say, because someone has done something, all blacks

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Speaker 1: are like that. But you want us to take the

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Speaker 1: cop that helps someone cross the road, or changes the tire,

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Speaker 1: or buys diapers for a family that needs. That is

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Speaker 1: the need. You can't expect us to judge you by

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Speaker 1: your best. Why you judge us by worst? That's brilliant,

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Speaker 1: and that's what they do. You see, the bad things

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Speaker 1: that black people do under you know, are seen as

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Speaker 1: representative of black people. Correct. The great stuff we do

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Speaker 1: is seen as exceptional. Oh that's Shannon Sharp. He's a

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Speaker 1: genius and you are. He's amazing and you are. But

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Speaker 1: the thing is is that you know that that Barack Obama,

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Speaker 1: he's great. There are a lot of Barack Obama's. There

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Speaker 1: are a lot of black people who have been doing

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Speaker 1: the kind of things that he did, and he's an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary man. But there were people before him who were

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Speaker 1: capable of being president. Jesse Jackson could have been president,

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Speaker 1: Kara Mosley Broun could have been president, Charlot Chisholm could

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Speaker 1: have been president. So that there are many other black

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Speaker 1: people who are capable of doing great things, but they

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Speaker 1: don't get the opportunity. So the great stuff we do

504
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: is seen as exceptional. The bad stuff we do is

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Speaker 1: seen as representative, whereas, as you said, is exactly opposite

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Speaker 1: with white brothers and sisters. Hey, it's a bad apphole.

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00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: It's not the tree. Nah, your tree is jacked up

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to cut it down or get

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Speaker 1: some different limbs to be sold off of there, and

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00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to plan in more fertile ground. Do

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Speaker 1: help me understand this, doc, and your sociology professor. You've

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Speaker 1: studied this a long time. Why is it that my

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Speaker 1: black skin and I and I've said this. I said,

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Speaker 1: if you look at my black skin as a threat,

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Speaker 1: you will never see me as non threatening. If you

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Speaker 1: see me as and that's true. If you think my

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Speaker 1: black skin is it puts you at fear. But you're

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Speaker 1: more fearful of me being black than a seventeen year

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Speaker 1: old white kid walking down the streets with an a

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Speaker 1: R fifteen. Now it's being reported that when they attacked him,

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Speaker 1: he had already shot the individuals they were trying to

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Speaker 1: get the gun from him. First of all, he's seventeen.

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Speaker 1: He shouldn't have an AR fifteen. Second of all, how

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Speaker 1: did he get there? Mama brought him right? I mean, here,

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Speaker 1: here's the point. You're point is so well taken that

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Speaker 1: Trump and him said, well, he's trying to trying to

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Speaker 1: protect himself, trying to protect himself, trying to keep himself

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Speaker 1: from hers away. And as you've already pointed out, he's

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Speaker 1: already done the dastardly deed. The police let him walk

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Speaker 1: right by. They got up to another black man right,

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Speaker 1: look at it. Look at it. A representative Clay I

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Speaker 1: can't think of his last name now who. Facebook had

533
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Speaker 1: to remove his post because he said, you come here

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Speaker 1: with your guns, and he put a picture of black

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Speaker 1: men up the ones that the Black militia down in

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Speaker 1: Kentucky that was defending those who were protesting for Brianna Taylor.

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Speaker 1: He said, well, I'll have no conscience about laying you down.

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Speaker 1: This is a sitting congressman. And wait a minute. You're

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Speaker 1: in an open carry state, but they have guns, so

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Speaker 1: now you're gonna kill them. You're going to advertise killing them.

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Speaker 1: This lets you know your point was right. You are

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Speaker 1: the threat, not what you do who you are. In

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Speaker 1: an open carry state where black people should be able

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Speaker 1: to hold guns like anybody else. Congressman is threatening black

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Speaker 1: people by saying if you come here protect and particularly

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Speaker 1: black men, if you come here armed to the teeth,

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Speaker 1: we will lay you down. We will not have any

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Speaker 1: conscience and we will not have any regard for you

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Speaker 1: because you will not be able to carry what you

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Speaker 1: are duly licensed, and we are sworn to uphold your

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Speaker 1: ability to do so. That just lets you know it

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00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: doesn't apply to us. Let me give another example, since

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Speaker 1: people might think, well, that's a theory. How about in

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Speaker 1: an open carry state of Ohio, you roll up on

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Speaker 1: a twelve year old kid. You roll up on a

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00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: twelve year old kids out right, Tami right, you are

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00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: out playing and you have a right. So if you

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Speaker 1: roll up on this kid and you see as a gun,

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Speaker 1: first of all, it's an open carry state, so why

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Speaker 1: are you shooting him immediately? Secondly, did you ask the

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Speaker 1: question whether it was a toy gun or not? Thirdly,

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Speaker 1: they said, I think when they called the reporting, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a toy gun. I don't think it's real.

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Speaker 1: And he's a twelve year old kid. But this lets

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Speaker 1: us know that those studies that have been done to

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00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: suggest that black kids are always seen as older. If

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Speaker 1: they're twelve, they're seen as eighteen. And so treat him

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Speaker 1: as an adult. The grown black men like Obama, they

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Speaker 1: try to treat like a kid. The kids they try

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Speaker 1: to treat like an adult. I want to sit there

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Speaker 1: benefit and advantage, and this is part of the tragedy

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00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: and we're dealing with in America. Doc helped me understand this.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what made a seventeen year

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Speaker 1: old drive thirty minutes forty five minutes to protect buildings

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Speaker 1: that work head for his family. Doc. I love whole Food,

576
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: I love Target, but if they're burning it down, I

577
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: ain't going down to the standing attention with my gun.

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00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: They're not insurance. I let them have that unless you

579
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Speaker 1: to walt my family, unless you vally, unless you're the

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Speaker 1: Walden family. And name if my name is Shannon Bezos,

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Speaker 1: I felt so right. Worth two hundred billion now first

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Speaker 1: a billion man in America, So that's absolutely right. But see,

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Speaker 1: this is the sense, this is the sense of elective enterprise,

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00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: of whiteness. It's not about whether you own it or not.

585
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: It's not about whether you own that store. What is

586
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: really at stake is whiteness itself, the mythological property of

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Speaker 1: white identity, and so he's there to protect it. In

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00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: the same way that Dylan Ruth went to South Carolina

589
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: and shot nine people in a church, saying that you

590
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: people are taking over where prisons. Maybe we ain't taking

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Speaker 1: over the presidency, we ain't taking over fortune five hundred companies.

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Speaker 1: We ain't CEOs of those places. We don't run most

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Speaker 1: colleges or universities. Where are we taking over being imprisoned

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Speaker 1: in America? Disproportioned numbers of us. We might let I

595
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say, we might be in basketball, but Luke

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Speaker 1: Anantius is trying to get y'all some conversation right now.

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00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: Lucas said, Oh, I'm gonna hang with the brothers up

598
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Speaker 1: in here exactly, although that Jamal were is killing the game.

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Speaker 1: So so what's interesting is that is that it was

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Speaker 1: this identification as a white person that under a song

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Speaker 1: and listening to the President of the United States of

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Speaker 1: America who is fomenting violence in this country by unleashing

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Speaker 1: some of the worst, most intemperate racial beliefs, that we

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00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: might be able to imagine that stuff together is a

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00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: lethal cocktail. Doc what hold on? I thought that he

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Speaker 1: said anytime he tweets something from his official official page,

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Speaker 1: that's that's fact, that's an official statement. And then why

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00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: is it that when he tweets things, when he says things,

609
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Speaker 1: if people come out and says, well, that's not what

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Speaker 1: he meant, Well, he didn't mean that, that's not true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he said, Okay, vote by in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: yesterday he said, vote by mail and then go to

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Speaker 1: the ballot box and vote again. Well, you can't vote twice.

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Speaker 1: He was he was just playing, okay when he said

615
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Speaker 1: when he told Sarah Sandus Huckabee that she needs to

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Speaker 1: take one for the team, he was just joking. I said,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you do. If you're on a job,

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Speaker 1: if you're the boss, go tell one of your employees

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Speaker 1: or tell someone. Y'all need to take one for the

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00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: team so we can close this deal and see what

621
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Speaker 1: happens to you. Come on, brother, I don't know if

622
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: they knew what take one for the team means, but

623
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Speaker 1: you and I know what take one for the team means.

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00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: That's right, that's exactly right. We know what the nuanced

625
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: interpretation of that is. And the thing is again they

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Speaker 1: just be lying. And then Attorney General Barr said, well,

627
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the particular rules of that state are.

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00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: You can't vote twice. Nowhere, Barr, what world are you

629
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Speaker 1: living in? What country are you living in? There is

630
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Speaker 1: no American state, city, or municipality where you can vote twice.

631
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Speaker 1: This is the level of corruption and the willingness to

632
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Speaker 1: defend Donald Trump. Well, well, we already knew what Barr

633
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Speaker 1: when he gave his his seventeen page resume to get

634
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Speaker 1: the job, because he believed that he believes President Trump

635
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Speaker 1: should have absolute power, that he should be beyond reproach,

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Speaker 1: and that no matter what he does, is that because

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Speaker 1: he's in charge of the executive brand, he can do

638
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Speaker 1: anything without without without persecution, without condemnation. And that's just

639
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: absolutely not true. That's why they braced, that's why they

640
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: got away from British rule. They didn't want the king.

641
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: They hated that the king had all the power. And

642
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: now this man is trying to replicate being the king.

643
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: I know, Harry and Megan came over here, God bless him,

644
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: but he he thinks that the king came over here

645
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be King George or whatever. He thinks

646
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna do what he's got to do and figure

647
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: out how to do it, and that he has aught,

648
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, total power. But wasn't it the historian, the

649
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Lord Acton who said Howard tends to grow up absolute

650
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: power corrupts absolutely at seeing this before our eyes, that

651
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: this man is a neo fascist engaging in public policy

652
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: as the prerogative of a personal predilection. He believes that

653
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: he should be able to set the standards, do what

654
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: he wants to do, and not be held to account

655
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: by the law. He literally thinks he's above, beneath, beyond,

656
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: and way way above the law that the rest of

657
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: us have to abide by. Well, I think the thing is,

658
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: this is why one of the reasons why he loved dictators.

659
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: He loved President g of China, he loved Putin, he

660
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: loved Ehran, he loved Bella sorrow because they have what

661
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: he wants, and that is absolute power. He wants that.

662
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: He craves that. Kim Jong North Korea, he that's what

663
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: he wants. He wants to be that, and that's not

664
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: gonna happen. No, we gotta make sure it doesn't happen.

665
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: But he's trying to make it happen. Yeah, absolutely talks

666
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: about a third term. Son, you gotta win the second

667
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: one first, and we hope that is well. Let me

668
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: speaking for myself, I think it would be a disaster

669
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: for this country should this president get re elected. But

670
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: we have to do our part to make certain that

671
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't occur. And even white Republicans who are conservative

672
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: are going, my god, this is enough. What this man

673
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: is doing is ridiculous and horrendous. So yeah, he is

674
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: seeking to be a kind of dictatorial force, a fascist force,

675
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: a monarchical force that will embody the aspirations of these

676
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: dictators throughout the world who do what they want to

677
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: do without legal compunction or moral redress. When we when

678
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: I look at when I look at this, and we

679
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: all know and I have I don't know if they're

680
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: empirical data, but I believe we know why President Trump

681
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: was elected. And this is what I don't understand. They

682
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: said that we because of economic anxiety. But during President

683
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: Obama's term, the average household income rolls greater than in

684
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: any other president in US history, and he inherited. He

685
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: entered the presidency and the second greatest recession behind the

686
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: Great Depression, unemployment went down, everybody's income went up. And

687
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: from where it went to where President Trump took it to,

688
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: from where President Obama inherited, it's not even closed. So

689
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: don't give me this about economic anxiety, because he didn't

690
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: create the economic anxiety. He created. He inherited something from

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00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: a Republican president and he took it the heights we

692
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: didn't even think he could ascend to. I mean in

693
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: the missle of that. He saved the economy, he saved

694
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: the automobile industry, He gave the tart money. He figured

695
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: out how the banks didn't fail. I know a lot

696
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: of people critical, but imagine the headlines. If the first

697
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: black president allows the banks to fail, you ain't gonna

698
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: get no second term. You might not get a second day.

699
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: It wasn't gonna happen. So he did nearly the impossible

700
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: and still was not accorded the respect and to due

701
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: recognition that white brothers and sisters want to give Donald

702
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: Trump for inheriting. But born on third base thinks he

703
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: hit a triple. Obama truly was trying to do something

704
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: that was nearly impossible and saved this economy and dug

705
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: it out in such a serious fashion, dug back to

706
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: the Bibles, the art armed killing of unarmed black men

707
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: and women being caught on tape. How do you think

708
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: the cell phone has helped or create and become a

709
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: lot of people like, well, it's not that bad. Well,

710
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: it just seems to happen that we always catch the

711
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: bad right, right, right, no, you're absolutely, but it is bad.

712
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: And the reality is that the cell phone has revolutionized

713
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: policing in this country. At least our arguments that what

714
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: we said was true, that we don't have to do anything.

715
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: We can just stop. Hello, officer, Hey, how are you

716
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: look at raych Shard Brooks that you've mentioned in Atlanta?

717
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: Forty minutes? Nice conversation talking back and forth. Supposed to

718
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: go meet this girl, you know my wife, I don't

719
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: want to, you know, was drunk here, I'm chilled out.

720
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: Let me just just all man and man good stuff.

721
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: Then you get into it, you end up, you know,

722
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: shooting this man. Yes, he took your tasering, Randy, what

723
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: he gonna do. He ain't gonna kill you with no taser.

724
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: He fired a taser that you can't even it can't

725
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: even go five six feet. And then you shot him

726
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: in his back, so he was not a threat. He

727
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: was running from you. And then what did you say?

728
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: Got him? And then what did you do? Kicked him

729
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: in his face. The level of disregard for black humanity

730
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: is astonishing. But it is a law, it seems, it

731
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: is practice, it is convention. It is the rule by

732
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: which so many people regulate and governing black life in

733
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: this country. And the tragedy and trauma is that black

734
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: life does not matter, that we will not be respected,

735
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: that no matter what we do, no matter what we say,

736
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: no matter how well behaved we are, there doesn't seem

737
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: to be a tolerance for us as human beings on

738
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: this earth. And I wasn't joking. What many people would

739
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: prefer for us to do was to not exist, not

740
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: be just un exist, kill ourselves, lose ourselves, not present

741
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: a problem through our breathing in this country. That's how

742
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: many many people feel about us. You mentioned all my brooks,

743
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: and although he offered, he says, look, I will leave

744
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: the car here, I would walk home. I just saw

745
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: a video that was shot on Tuesday of a guy

746
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: that's so drunk he gets three part four part cars.

747
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: He's falling down, he's so drunk. Doc he's laying on

748
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: the sidewalk. Let him go. Not only does they do,

749
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: they let him go with his life. And I'm not

750
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: saying they should have killed him. They didn't even give

751
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: him a ticket. So how are you so you hit

752
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: four part cars? You're so drunk, you're stumbling, you're lying

753
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: on the sidewalk. Let you go without a ticket? My god,

754
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is the living example. This

755
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: is the very example of what we what we mean

756
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: when we talk about white privilege. White privilege ain't about

757
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: having a bunch of money alone. White privilege ain't about

758
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: being able to send all your kids to school without bills.

759
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: White privilege means that you're able to engage in activities

760
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: that otherwise might be seen as rendering other people vulnerable,

761
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: like talking to the cops, like engaging them in a stop.

762
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, when when only white people could go to Harvard,

763
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: it didn't mean that every white person could go to Harvard.

764
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: It meant that the only people going to Harvard were white. Right,

765
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: So what we're saying about privileges. It doesn't mean every

766
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: white person will be rich. It means the likelihood of

767
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: those who will be rich will be white. It doesn't

768
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: mean that every white guy who played in the NBA

769
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: will become a coach. It means the likelihood is that

770
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: even if black players who become coaches and win championships

771
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: and then get released by one team have to catch

772
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: on as an assistant coach in one place, whereas a

773
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: white guy who never won a championship, gets a chance

774
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: to sign a four year contract, and a coach two

775
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: of the greatest players in the history of the league.

776
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: These are the kinds of you know, contrasts that we

777
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: have to speak about when we talk about white privilege

778
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: in America. Let's talk about John Thompson. You're in DC,

779
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: you know Gon and what he meant to Georgetown. What's

780
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: his place in college basketball? I believe he's more than

781
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: a coach. Oh, John Thompson is one of the greatest

782
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: figures that American sport has ever produced. Number one, Number two.

783
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: You're younger than me. But when I was coming up

784
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: and Georgetown was playing, let me tell you what that was.

785
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: That was Black America's team, just like if the Dallas

786
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: Cowboys are America's team right, so to speak, Georgetown was

787
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: a Black America's team. The way they played that Hoya paranoia,

788
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: that any defense, that the way in which you know

789
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: Alonzo Mourning or Patrick Ewing or Dicombe Mutumbo and the

790
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: great Alan Iverson. You know, if he's six feet, I'm

791
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: twenty five feet, he might be five eleven out here

792
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: doing the thing. And he saved their lives and especially

793
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: Allen Iverson, I mean, but a remarkable man and made

794
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: them go to class, made them go get their degrees,

795
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: made them study hard, made them right become productive members

796
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: of the academic community. And then he was a mentor

797
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: to so many more, a loving patriarch. Yeah, he gonna

798
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: cut you out, now, make no mistake about that. Doc.

799
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: I heard the story about rapher Edmund and they said

800
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: he was responsible for sixty sixty percent of the narcotics

801
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: being moved through DC. But he had befriended some of

802
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: the Georgetown players. They said Big coach Thompson, Big John

803
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: called him in and say, stayed the elp away from

804
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: my players, and he did it. Brother. Let me tell

805
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: you what, John Thompson wasn't no joke. Six of Thunder

806
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: and Chocolate. You think chocolate Thunder was the first one,

807
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: Darrel Dog, No, no, no, Doc. This backup center for

808
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Bill Russell with the Boston Celtics was a man of

809
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: his word. He was to be feared and respected and

810
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: people understood he was no joke and he wanted his

811
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: players to be protected and not only from thugs in

812
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: the street or other you know, big drug dealers. He

813
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: also when he went to opposing teams, and they were

814
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: disrespectful with their racist vitriol against the bodies of say

815
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 1: and Alan Iverson or his other players, Colin Patrick ewing

816
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: an Athan on that he held the team accountable. On

817
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: the other side, see what none of this on you.

818
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: That's horrible, that's that's that's just saying. That's kids being kids.

819
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: You are gonna be I'm gonna forfeit the game if

820
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: you don't kick their butts out. Now, John Thompson used

821
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: his authority in a way that should have been used

822
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: and that many others were afraid to do. But he

823
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: did it with a plumb and discretion but also power.

824
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: A great man and a great coach, a great inspirational figure,

825
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: a great mentor, a man who was able to make

826
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Speaker 1: sure his kids were going to be protected, and a

827
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: man who saw promise where there was none. Remember, Allen

828
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: Iverson had been in prison, and he shouldn't have been.

829
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: First of all, he should have never been there. Maiming

830
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: by chair was the literal, you know, accusation made against

831
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Speaker 1: him for which he was in prison, which is nuts

832
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: because he didn't even throw a chair. But you're in

833
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: the vicinity, your guys and the white people and black

834
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: people thought stuff. They ain't putt none of white people

835
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: in jail, but they put the black superstar in jail.

836
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: And if it were not for you know, Douglas Wilder,

837
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, and you know, maybe Spike Lee, but certainly

838
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: John Thompson who saved him, who took him on, this man,

839
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: would we would have never seen one of the greatest

840
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: players ever? And was it? Kobe and other people said,

841
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: if Allan Iverson was six six, ain't no conversation by

842
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: who the greatest of all time would have been? Bro

843
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: Because the man's heart was incredible, his will, his skill,

844
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: his ability to score unbelievable, all of that because of

845
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: the great John Thompson. I love what Coach Thompson said

846
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: when they told him he when and I'm sure he

847
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: knew this, that he was the first black coach to

848
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: win a national championship in basketball. He said, I might

849
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: have been the first black person who has provided the

850
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to compete with this prize, But you have discriminated

851
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: against thousands of my ancestors and denied them this opportunity.

852
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: That's what he said. He could have said, thank you,

853
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. He was said, no, no, he said,

854
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: I might have been the first that was afforded this opportunity.

855
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: But don't forget you denied thousand people just like me.

856
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: That was just its qualified as me, the opportunity, the

857
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: same opportunity that I have. You denied them. See that

858
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: that's beautiful, and look how gracious that is. He could

859
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: have said, like you said, yeah, I'm the stuff. I'm

860
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: the only brother he knows that where other brothers are

861
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna have won had they had the opportunity. That's what

862
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: we meant when we said Barack Obama as great as

863
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: he is, one of the greatest presidents ever top ten,

864
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: but there are some other brothers and sisters could have

865
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: been president. There are other black people who could have

866
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: been first if we had permitted them the opportunity. Kamala

867
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: Harris ain't the first black woman who is capable of

868
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: having been, you know, nominated as a vice president. Barbara

869
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: Jordan could have done this. I mean, there's so many

870
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: others who could have been elected or nominated as great

871
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: as Kamala Harris is. So yeah, I mean, I love

872
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: that response because I put the burden back on the

873
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: white folks who trying to congratulate him in a way,

874
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: and he was saying, no, y'are messed up. Y'all would

875
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: have had others. But oh look, look, Josh Gibson, Josh White,

876
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: you celebrating Babe Ruth, Babe Ruth having the greatest ball player.

877
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 1: He was the greatest white white ball player. Oh my god,

878
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: what great he Because he didn't play against the brothers.

879
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: Because he played against the brothers, that have been a

880
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: different story. He wasn't playing against that black Chritch pitching.

881
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: They said Josh was the Gibson or White was the

882
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: greatest home run here to ever. Died very early, one

883
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: of the greatest ever. Let's see him square off against

884
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: a Babe Rute, right, It's not like it was open

885
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: like with Tom Terrific who just died. One of the

886
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: greatest pitchers ever top ten. Mister met himself. That was

887
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: a bad man. And he was pitching against Ye Mayerson

888
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: Bob Gibson, and we know and Bob Gibson won the

889
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: cold has ever flame throwers. He was, I mean, man,

890
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: that's that's that's my that he ten years old when

891
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 1: I saw him out here beating my team in Detroit. Right,

892
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: I was nine years old in Detroit and he's throwing

893
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: that fire. I went down to the to the to

894
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: my ghet old sandlight at the end of the block

895
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: and started throwing that ball because Bob Gibson was inspiring

896
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: me to do that. So, yes, there are many other

897
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: black people. And John Thompson was as gracious as they

898
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: come by saying many others could have been able to

899
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: do this had they've been afforded the opportunity to do so.

900
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: You talked about President Obama. I remember growing up and

901
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: my grandfather told you. He would always tell me he's

902
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: a son. You could be anything you want to, but

903
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: you will never be president because they're not gonna let

904
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: no black man in the White House. Wow, that's what

905
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: I just remember him saying that so vividly. You can

906
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: be anything. You can be a scientist, you could be

907
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: a doctor, you can be a lawyer, you could be

908
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: a professional athlete. But forget put president out of your mind.

909
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: They are not letting that happen. I mean, this is

910
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: what Tupac said way after you You know that that

911
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: you know it seems have been said, but they ain't

912
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: ready for a black president, right, We're saying that, and

913
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: that was the that was the limit. That was the

914
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: That was the ceiling that was placed on it. You

915
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: can do anything. You can be Olympic champion, you can

916
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: be baseball start, you can be a football star, wide receiver,

917
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Uh, what's your own show on Fox

918
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: foot Skip, But you can't be the president of the

919
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: United of America. And when that barrier got lowered, my god,

920
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: that's why they back Obama so hard. That's why they

921
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: attacked him so viciously because they understood that's a real barrier. Now,

922
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: now you can't maintain other lies. If you maintain lines

923
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: that black people can't do X when he's president, that

924
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: then you can be a nuclear physicist. You can be

925
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: a theoretical physicist. You can be a scientist. You can

926
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: be an engineer, you can be a you know, a creator,

927
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: an inventor. You can do whatever you want to do

928
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: if you can do that. And that was the signal

929
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: barrier that was dropped. And again John Thompson understood the

930
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: necessity of speaking honestly about the barriers that were imposed

931
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: upon black people in this country. Well, that's what they

932
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: did with the schools. Man, you can't go to Harvard.

933
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: Harvard's too hard yell, it's too hard. Once you get

934
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: your own institution and go there. Well, if you let

935
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: me go in there, let me see if I can

936
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: do the school. Let me see if I can do

937
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: the curriculum. I don't need you to tell me what.

938
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: I'll give me an opportunity. It's easy for you to

939
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: say I can't do the curriculum if you don't allow

940
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: me access to it. But give me an opportunity, and

941
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: let me see, no doubt. And Number one, some of

942
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: them boys and girls at Howard are gonna kick the

943
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: butts of those at Harvard. Number two, some of them

944
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters at Talladega and Spellman and Moorehouse are

945
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna whip the butts of those who are at Yale.

946
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: How do we know? Look at the movie with Denzel

947
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: the Great Debaters, and when we know that that actually occurred,

948
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: that Harvard Debaters got beat by HBCUs. So we know,

949
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: first of all y'all are denying our tremendous talent. I mean, Howard,

950
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: Howard Thurman, the great Mystic was there at what Howard

951
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: think about? Third Good Marshall, a Supreme Court justice, was

952
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: at Howard University. Martin Luther King Junior, the greatest American

953
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: whoever lived, as far as I'm concerned, out of Morehouse College.

954
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: So first of all, stop hating on what we're producing

955
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: out of our institutions. But secondly, you're absolutely right. Let

956
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: us see what we can do. Let's see what we

957
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: can compete with. And even when they let us go

958
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: to the Harvard Dubois, Rayford Logan I think Carter G.

959
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: Woodson and Stuffing, they wouldn't let us teach there. Oh

960
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: we can go there and get the PhD. But then

961
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna let us teach to some of these schools.

962
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: So they denied us opportunity at every level, blocking us,

963
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: preventing us from flourishing when we have the capacity to

964
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: exhibit the most profound irreudition and learning that could be

965
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: possibly shown in this culture. Dog help me on this.

966
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: Explain this to us. When you when we hear the

967
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: term defund the police, what does that actually mean? Because

968
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: I think people are confusing to choose. They think that

969
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: it means we're gonna abolish the police. What does actually

970
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: defund the police? What does that actually mean? Right? That's great. Now,

971
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: there are some abolitionists who are out here saying, like

972
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: get rid of at and who can let me start

973
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: right there first of all, who could blame them even

974
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: if we disagree, even if you think, oh my god,

975
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: we need him. The point is, give the amount of

976
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: black people who have died, of poor yellow, brown, red,

977
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: and other people of color would die. Why why why

978
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: would you be mad at black people and others of

979
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: their allies saying and even some white people about ast

980
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: the police. So don't even act like you don't understand

981
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: what that's about. Well, secondly, defund the police. You're absolutely right.

982
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: What they're saying is, let's reassign monies to other departments

983
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: where we defund the police and refund that money to

984
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: other organizations. For instance. Look at that tape and I'm

985
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: sure you've seen it, and if not, you'll see it.

986
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: So them where the black man who's clearly mentally ills

987
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: and give me that gun, give me this, give me

988
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: he's on the ground. Just watched the last name Daniel Prude,

989
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: and I think it's Rochester, New York. Here's the thing, man,

990
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: your treat is worse than animals. We can't even say

991
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: treat us like animals because you treat animals so fine.

992
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: Some of y'all will put your dogs in care in

993
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: ways you will deny the black people. So you see

994
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: this man who is clearly mentally ill, and you put

995
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: a white bag, a spit bag over his face and

996
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: essentially suffocate him. And you're asking us why we want

997
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: to abolish the police or why we want to defund it,

998
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: Because defunding police at that level means give the money

999
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: to those who deal with mental health because a mental

1000
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: health person goes out there. Yes, maybe we have some

1001
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: safety insecurity. We'll grant that there are other ways to

1002
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: do it besides the police department. So we reassign the

1003
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: policeman to departments where they can exercise safety, but not

1004
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: with the concentrated power of the cops with the police department.

1005
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: With these police unions that undercut the ability of American

1006
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: democratic institutions to hold them to look count. They are

1007
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: ruthlessly out of order, they are well funded, and they

1008
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: seem to act against the best democratic interests of the state.

1009
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: So when we say defund the police, we're saying take

1010
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: the money from the police department, give a bunch of

1011
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: money to other social services that will serve the community.

1012
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: Because guess what, only about four percent of the duties

1013
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: of the police are what leads to the death of

1014
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: black people, the kind of violent interactions going out in homes.

1015
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: This no knock warrant that killed Brianna Taylor and her

1016
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: murderers still have not been arrested. The killers of Brianna

1017
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: Taylor need to be arrested, even though one of them

1018
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: has been fired. But it had nothing to do with

1019
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: his horrible behavior that night. So did you see what happened?

1020
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: Not the guy that her boyfriend that she was living

1021
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: with that they barked in all, but the ex boyfriend,

1022
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: right that is being reported. They for him a plea.

1023
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: If you lift, if you say she was a co conspirator,

1024
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: you get probation. If you don't, we're gonna give you

1025
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: ten years. So, in other words, this is why we

1026
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: bars then, this is why we killed her. Even if

1027
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: she even if she was slinging more dope than El

1028
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: Chapo Guzman and Pablo F. Cabar combined, she didn't deserve

1029
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: to die. That's not your role. Your role is to

1030
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: bring them in and then let the court system the

1031
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: d eight you let them handle it from there. That's

1032
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: not your role, right, And they ain't even arrest someone,

1033
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, but they were saying it was

1034
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: the present boyfriend, right, So they got the ex boyfriend

1035
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: and now the present one who was there with her.

1036
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: They arrested him the other day for drugs. So this

1037
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: is amazing. So you can get the quote drug dealers,

1038
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: but not to kill people who killed Brianna Taylor, whose

1039
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: things we know? So right? Why is it that black

1040
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: people have to be perfect? We don't have to be

1041
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: perfect because if we go killing every white person who's

1042
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: selling drugs and be a lot of dead white people.

1043
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: If we go around killing every white person who is

1044
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: wielding a gun and shouldn't be a lot of dead

1045
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: white people. If we go around killing every white person

1046
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: who offends the law, if that's going to be your standard,

1047
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: they will be dead. So the reality is is that

1048
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: as you say, let's not allow the police to be

1049
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: judge and jury. Let's allow the police to do what

1050
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: they're supposed to do. But this is why we should

1051
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: defund them. If we assign the responsibility of public safety

1052
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: to police people in different departments and don't concentrate it

1053
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: in those departments, then we could deal with qualified immunity

1054
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: because the department would be disassembled and we would be

1055
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: able to challenge it in a certain way. We'd be

1056
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: able to get different people onto the courts who see

1057
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: the value of holding public servants to account. In what

1058
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Speaker 1: other area of public service do they get qualified immunity

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00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: where if they do some day imaging thing then will

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Speaker 1: be automatically exempt. I mean people Richard Nixon had to

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01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: get off the get out of the presidency because he

1062
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: was being threatened with some kind of potential legal action.

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Speaker 1: So so, my friend, it is necessary for us to

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01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: understand the police cannot be the judge and the jury

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01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: defund them. I mean, LA gave up what one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars of the budget, you know, I

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01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: mean right San Francisco about one hundred and twenty five million.

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's reassign moneies to departments which can more

1069
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: effectively intervene in socially distressed situations that permit black and

1070
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,479
Speaker 1: brown and red and yellow, and for that matter, white

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01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: people to live without the lethal consequences of police people

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01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: who exercise their authority with ravaging intensity. Dog was it

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01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: that our passed? If you look at George Floyd, they

1074
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: talk about what he had gone to prison. If you

1075
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: look at allmar Brooke, and you talk about if I listen,

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01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: if I commit a crime, I go pay my debt,

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Speaker 1: just aside be going through the pedal penal system and

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Speaker 1: maybe possibly paying a fine. What does that have to

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01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: do with right then, I wasn't committing the crime that

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01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: I went to privole for at that time which led

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01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: you to kill me. So I don't get It's like

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: our pass always live with us, but our counterparts they

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01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: get to move beyond their past. I mean, you've laid

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01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: it out there, and like you said, first of all,

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01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: you ain't know it that minute, So why are you

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01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: trying to imposthumously and retroactively kill me and justify by

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01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: some stuff you ain't even know? So we know that's poppycock.

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: And as we said, if we did this to white people,

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01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: would be a lot more dead white people, white brothers

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01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: and sisters who would be subjected. But you're right, we

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01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: are held to a different standard, a different account that

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01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: consistently are trying to viciously assault us, hold us to

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01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: a dual and triple standard. And then, you know, try

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01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: to justify after the fact our quote murder, our quote assault,

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01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: our quote legal apprehension or being put to death because

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01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: it was a justifiable homicide, whatever they do, using the

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01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: facts of our existence because we weren't perfect, nobody is,

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01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: and then trying to use and that imperfect pass as justification.

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01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: As you said, when again, if we try to apply

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Speaker 1: the same standard to white folk, that would be a

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01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: lot more of them in prison or dead in their graves.

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Speaker 1: Right now, what role does the athlete play? And I

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01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: commend any athlete that's willing to use their platform and

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Speaker 1: speak up, but that's not what they signed up for.

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01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: Guys that went into civil service, the guys that went

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01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: into to be a politician, the Chuck Schumer's, the Nassy Pelosis,

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01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: the Lindsey Grail, Marco Rubio, Tim Scott, that's what you

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01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: signed up for. But it seems to me it's always

1109
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: been the athlete that's normally been at the forefront of

1110
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: these movements, especially ours African American people. I mean, other

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01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: athletes have been credible and on the front lines, but

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: for black people, it's because when we didn't have black politicians,

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01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: we had black musicians, and we had black athletes. Before

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01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: we had William Dawson or Adam Clayton Powell, we had

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01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: Duke Gallington, and Louis Armstrong, right, And so we were

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01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: those athletes, right, we had Joe Louis. We didn't have

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01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,959
Speaker 1: no United States senator in the Senate when Joe Louis

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01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: was fighting, Jackie Robinson was playing. But but Jackie Robinson

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: was a senator and Joe Louis was an ambassador and

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Speaker 1: a congress person, if you will, for our interests for

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Speaker 1: the black community. So they were our mouthpieces. They were

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01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: our vocal, articulate spokespeople to try to defend us, to

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01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: try to stand up and speak for us. So when

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Speaker 1: Sam or Aretha Franklin or you know, Ray Charles came along,

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Speaker 1: even as we were gaining a burgeoning political power, they

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01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: were the voice pieces because white people admired them, and

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: they were able to seize the authority to articulate our

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01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: viewpoints and represent our interests because white people loved and

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Speaker 1: admired them. So that's why we've turned to them. Even

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01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: after we've gotten political representation, we still depend upon conscientious

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01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, entertainers and athletes to articulate our noble ideals

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Speaker 1: and aspirations. Do you know what I've noticed is that

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01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: if a black man or woman becomes successful and they

1134
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: speak about, speak out against inequality or racial and social

1135
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: injustice and things of systemic racism. They like, you made it,

1136
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: why are you complaining? But when whites, our counterparts, try

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01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: to help their community, they never say, well, why are

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01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: you complaining? If Jeff Bevos were to give two billion

1139
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: dollars to help causse for his community, nobody would say

1140
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: a word. But if Lebron James speaks out, shut up

1141
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: and dribble stick the basketball, stick the sports why do

1142
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: you care trade places? What is that about? I mean,

1143
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: it's about white supremacists, about white privilege. It is about

1144
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: failing to understand why complicity. It's about refusing to acknowledge

1145
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: the double standard. And it's again it's failing to acknowledge

1146
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: that those athletes had to speak up and out in

1147
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: the past in order for any interests of black people

1148
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: to be expressed or articulated. And so, yeah, you're right,

1149
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: be grateful. Why is Michelle Obama man? This country gave

1150
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: you the ability to make a living. He gave you

1151
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: one too. He gave you ability to steal my stuff,

1152
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: and it gave you ability to loot and rob and

1153
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: be you know, thieves of black opportunity. And upward mobility.

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01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right. They never asked them that question.

1155
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: If they help their neighborhoods. Oh, they're being looked despite

1156
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: the fact that they're rich. They're reaching back, despite the

1157
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: fact that they have tremendous money. They're speaking out. Look,

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01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: when Donald Trump was speaking up and speaking out, nobody

1159
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: said he's a billionaire, why is he talking about the

1160
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: working class white people? They said, thank god, we finally

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01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: got somebody speaking for us. So a white billionaire who really,

1162
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: in truth, doesn't give a darn a fly in flip

1163
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: about poor white people. It's seen as their hero. But

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01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: Lebron James can't even speak up for his people and

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01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: be and be seen as a person who identifies with

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01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: his people. That's the double standard that continues to prevail

1167
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: in this country. So you believe the athlete is really

1168
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: important in this movement for equality and injustice. And you

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01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: Lebron has his a referendum, like he's trying to register

1170
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,479
Speaker 1: people to get to vote and get people to vote

1171
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: and understand your vote, is that your vote matter. Because

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01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: for the longest time, doc I was one of those

1173
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: my vote doesn't matter. It does matter because when you

1174
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: get five six seven million people saying my boat matters. Well,

1175
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 1: that's just not one vote vote. That's five or six

1176
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: million people voting, and it does matter. It does matter

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01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: big time. And God blessing, I'm glad you changed your mind.

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01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: That's that's the kind of great man you are. You

1179
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 1: can admit that you were wrong, Yes, Sky for that vote.

1180
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: People ship blood for that vote. People got hit in

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01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: the face for that vote. John and Lewis got beat

1182
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: down for that vote. So yeah, let's let's be real here.

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01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: Who are the three guys probably in the conversation for

1184
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: the goat, Jordan Kobe, Lebron, Right, I know who your

1185
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: goat is, yep. But when you when you put social

1186
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: conscience on the platform, when you put out spokenness like that,

1187
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: And I love Jordan Kobe, that's my Kobe. You know

1188
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: my feeling about code. Yeah, Kobe, your guy like this,

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna put it all together. Lebron had been

1190
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: the goat. Lebron the stallion, heat a horse, he depended

1191
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: the cow, the dog, he a farm, I mean dog.

1192
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: It ain't even no comparison for what that man has done.

1193
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: And so you know, the comparison to anybody when standing

1194
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: up against him is to me feeble, and so I

1195
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: mean Jabbar was great, Jim Brown was great. But to

1196
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: have that peak performers thirty five years old, seventeen years

1197
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: in the league, still playing like you five years in,

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01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 1: still an incredible shape, Still should be the MVP. I

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01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: don't care what nobody says, still playing the greatest, incredible,

1200
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: and you love black people without apology or excuse bruh.

1201
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: There's nobody near you, and so I think we need him.

1202
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: When Lebron sat down and said this, I don't know.

1203
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 1: Black people are scared, Black women, black men, black kids.

1204
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: He said, we're terrifying. We don't know if that guy

1205
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: got up on the right side of the bed, the

1206
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: wrong side of the bed at that cop. We don't know,

1207
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: if that cop had a horrible argument, was his kid

1208
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: and went out the house steaming, he said, or if

1209
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: the cop basically said this is the day I'm going

1210
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: in one of their lives. He said, this is this

1211
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: is how it feels now. Lebron ain't got no access

1212
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: to these people. He don't know. This point is this

1213
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: is what it feels like to us when the greatest

1214
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: athlete on the globe, right along with Serena when the

1215
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: greatest athlete on the globe says that and identifies what

1216
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: black people saying, we're terrified and scared. Do you know

1217
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: what that does to articulate our meaning? A politician can't

1218
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: say it that way. I don't care who, I don't

1219
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: care what politician you are. That Lebron James, who ain't

1220
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: got no office. Anybody put him in office. I'm gonna

1221
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,759
Speaker 1: flip your argument. Ain't nobody he ain't went to the polls.

1222
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: The poles were in the people who love him because

1223
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: of what he did, the affirmation of him as an

1224
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: extraordinary figure. It's even purer right. He didn to run

1225
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: no campaign. He showed up and did what he did,

1226
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: and he's won the hearts of the masses. That's remarkable.

1227
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, when you when Joe Lewis was fighting Max

1228
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 1: Schmelling in the ring in the forties, late thirties, early forties,

1229
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: he's fighting fascism. He's fighting Nazism, not Nazism, I'm sorry,

1230
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: not just another white guy who's from Germany. It's two

1231
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: different systems, democracy versus Nazism on display there. These black

1232
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: athletes have been representative not only of their people, but

1233
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: of their nation in a way that the nation didn't

1234
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: deserve because when we went to fight in foreign wars

1235
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: and came back in our uniforms, they launched us, they

1236
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: killed us, they murdered us. So yeah, a Lebron, James Carmelo, Anthony,

1237
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, all of the w NBA. My got a

1238
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: Candice Parker, Diana Ross. When you think about all of them,

1239
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: as great as the men have been, I mean Lebron

1240
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: will standing up above anybody, but right under him Maya

1241
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: Moore and all those great black athletes in the w NBA.

1242
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: They've been ahead of this game. They got gunshot wounds

1243
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: where Blake was shot in the exact space in his

1244
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: name on the front of their They weighed beyond what

1245
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: the guys collectively are doing. But I'm loving what the

1246
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 1: guys are doing as well. So yes, to answer your question,

1247
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: we still need them out there. Do you believe that

1248
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: the NBA and the potential boycott of the season, and

1249
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: how do you think it's going to impact the NFL,

1250
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: because yes, they have bigger superstars in the NBA, but

1251
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: nobody but football is it in America. Football is the sport.

1252
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: So how do you think the carriers are gonna be

1253
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: from the NBA to the NFL. I think, you know,

1254
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones might have to look at her, Dak Prescott.

1255
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what up Dak as a company man.

1256
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: I signed my tender. I mean, you know, I took

1257
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: your you know, I got designated for this year, so

1258
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: they can give me for this year if you want

1259
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: to give me that thirty eight million, and you know,

1260
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: shut up and throw the pigskin. As might as well

1261
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: with Jerry Jones might as well have said, and but

1262
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: Dad came out. He was one of the ones who

1263
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: spoke out on the Black Lives Matter stuff when they

1264
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: sent the the videos to Roger Goodell. I think it

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Speaker 1: might be a brewing, you know, if not an outright rebellion.

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Speaker 1: There is certainly the desire of these football players to

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Speaker 1: take it to the next level. Now. I don't think

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01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: they'll be as necessarily explicit as the NFL NBA, but

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01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: I think we've been surprised so far miss some of

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Speaker 1: them have been. And I think they won't be as

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Speaker 1: widespread even though what sixty nine percent of the players

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Speaker 1: in the NFL are black, Yes, And yet at the

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01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: same time, you know, uh, these white owners almost feel

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01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: like they're running plantations out here, right. That's why the

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01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: NBA has been able to get over because all you

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: have to be is not Jerry Jones. You have to

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01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: be great yourself, just not as bad as that dude.

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01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: But with what the potential strike, that strike that one

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01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: day of the NBA, what did I say to them,

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01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: ain't good enough. Don't tell me who you Ain't tell

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01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: me who you are, tell me what you represent, tell

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01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: me the values you hup hold. You know when the

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01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: Godfather when they come around the table and you know,

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: they're arguing after both of the sons have been killed,

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01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: and the Godfather, you know, is talking and I think

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01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: it was, you know, is one of the other godfathers,

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01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: and he was like Barzini. That's what it was. Barzini

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01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: all along. Barzinia is sitting there. He says, we want

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01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 1: you to share, Godfather, those those those politicians that you

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: carry around in your pocket like so many coins. And

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01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: he says, well, did I not accommodate anybody? Right, That's

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: how it feels for the NFL owners, like they got

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: so many trinkets, so many negroes in their pockets, like

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01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: plantation syndrome. The NBA has been forced now with its owners,

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01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: to do more. Show us those politicians you have relationships with,

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01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: Let's get them in some of this public policy. Let's

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01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: get them on some of these law rewriting. Let's get

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01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: them in some of this you know, argument about how

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01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: the police have to be held to account. It a

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01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: different way. Let's let's use your influence, not just the

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: money you've given us. We grateful, but we made that

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01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: money you use splitting the pie because we all made

1303
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: the dough. We want you to use your influence to

1304
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: be far more significantly invested in trying to argue on

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01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: behalf of racial and social justice for black people in America.

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01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: I think those those those ballplayers, that women and the

1307
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: men are extraordinary and exemplary, and they did a great thing. Dog,

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: how do you how do you think Colin Kaepernick will

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01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,919
Speaker 1: be remembered? I remember having this conversation in twenty seventeen,

1310
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: and I said, I believe in twenty thirty years he

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01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: will be looked at as one of these one of

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01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: these mythical one of these mythical human beings. I see

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01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: what you have to understand. I say, we look at

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01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: Rosa Parks, Miss Parks, we look at Muhammad Ali. We

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01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: look at some of those guys in today's terms, but

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01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: let's remember when they were doing what they're doing, they

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01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: weren't thought of like they were thought of now being.

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01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: And I believe it's going to be the same thing

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01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: for Colin Kaepernick, no doubt. Yeah, and probably not even

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: that long. Look look at the difference between four years

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01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: ago now true, he's already been seen as even Roger

1322
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: Goodelle saying I'm sorry, we didn't listen to him. Didn't

1323
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: you know you didn't think four years later Roger Goodale

1324
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: would be forced to say, we did not listen to him,

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01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. And even though they may never be

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01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: able to get their individual thing together, I mean, between

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01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: Colin and the league, he's already been validated, he's already

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01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: been affirmed. He's already been, you know, seriously seen as

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01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: the person doing the right thing. And again for all

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01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: these white people, when I don't be violent, what was

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01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: violent about putting your knee on the ground. Because Nate Bowyer,

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01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: a veteran, told you, Colin Kaepernick, hey, don't take a seat.

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01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: That's disrespectful. Why don't you sit down? And if Colin

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01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: Kaepernick wasn't respectful. You know what he would have said

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01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: later for you, Homie, I'm gonna do it the way

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01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: I want. What did he say, I don't want to

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01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: disrespect you. Let me do that. That showed you the

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01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: man's heart. That showed you the man was willing to

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01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: do the right thing. He didn't want to disrespect He

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01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: want to distort his message. So he got on his

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01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: knee as the veteran, the white veteran suggested, and still

1342
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. Because you know why, it's never good enough.

1343
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: You can never please the people you were trying to

1344
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: get off their plantation. You can't get a scholarship to

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01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: Freedom School on fay Roe scholarship Favoroe ain't gonna get

1346
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: a Noose scholarship for you to go to Freedom School.

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01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna happen, homie. And so I think he

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01:16:55,920 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: will be respected as an ali kind of figure in

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01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 1: the sense that he gave up everything to be able

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01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: to make his argument. I think he's one of the

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: greatest athletic performers to do that. But let me tell

1352
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: you about why lebron to me is even more effective,

1353
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 1: because you see, when you can't deny the talent, when

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01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: if you thought, or we're gonna pull Lebron off if

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01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 1: he's doing stuff. If that was Tom Brady as a

1356
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: black person, let me see who If that was Patrick

1357
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: Mahomes taking a knee, tell me you think that man

1358
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 1: would have been out of that league? Oh no, absolutely not.

1359
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: So part of it had to do with the talent level, right,

1360
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: we know Colin Kaepernick at his height. I was at

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01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: that that game in New Orleans where Beyonce turned to

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 1: power off because she was so hot, I mean doing

1363
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: her things, doing her things, Jay, I didn't mean hot

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01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: like I met you know a second. Yeah. So I

1365
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 1: was there where he was one catch away from frigging

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01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: being a Super Bowl champion. I was right there. That's

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01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: where ye what Baltimore one, didn't they? I think with

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: CBS at the time, absolutely yes. So so he was

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01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: great and at his height he would have been undenied.

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01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: But when he was declining a little bit, that just

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01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: shows you Lebron is using his athletic genius and part

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01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: of the reason he's able to stay on court. It's

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01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: a different sport, but he's at his height still, he's

1374
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 1: still doing great things. And when you do great things,

1375
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: you can leverage that to your benefit. So I think

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01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: nobody is going to be like Lebron. But I think

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01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: what Calin Kaepernick is doing is remarkable. It is historic,

1378
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: it will be legendary, and rightfully so, because he gave

1379
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: up his career to do what he's got to do,

1380
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: and yet the Lord has blessed him because he's done

1381
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: called on to another career that's gonna last much longer

1382
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: than your football career would have lasted as a social activist.

1383
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: So you and if evil They said about Joseph with

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01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: his coat of many colors, My brothers put me in

1385
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: a pit, but God raised me up and put me

1386
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: in a palace. So so so so he went from

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01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: a pit to a palace, and he's able to extend

1388
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: his career and tell the truth about social injustice. I

1389
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: think well into his forties and fifties and sixties, should

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01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: he decided to do so. Yeah, I think. I think

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01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: cap ability has slipped just enough for them to use

1392
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: that against him because they didn't want to hear what

1393
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: he was saying. That's Lebron James, that's any of these

1394
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 1: prominent NBA players taking that knee. They're not gonna be

1395
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: white ball. I used to turn white ball, because the

1396
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: negative connotation that comes along with seems like everything that's

1397
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: bad is black black market, you know, black Monday. Every

1398
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: everything that's negative black magic, black sheet. So I said,

1399
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: used to turn white ball because it was it was

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01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,879
Speaker 1: those thirty two even though Commissioner Goodell it issued apologist

1401
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: say we should have listened. He works at the behest

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01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: of the owners. No, he's thinking that he's getting forty

1403
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,799
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars a year to those arrows that everybody's

1404
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: froy He gets to stand up, everybody booze while they

1405
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: applaud the owners. That's cashing three hundred million dollars checks

1406
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: every year. So that's what he's getting paid for. There's

1407
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: no question about it. The only good thing I guess

1408
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: would be uh Ken Chanot when he named it the

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01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: black card. So the highest American Express is the black card.

1410
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: So we appreciate you got one. You've got one, doc,

1411
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: I know it where it take this out. Mine was

1412
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: green last night, but I painted that thing because I

1413
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: know I was gonna be talking to you, So I said,

1414
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: I might have a black card, but baby, I put

1415
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: some shoe polos on that, and that might be the

1416
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: only because that's the highest credit card that you could

1417
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: possibly get. It's a black card. Come on, bro, you

1418
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: know what that might be. The only good thing was

1419
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: a black man running a running American Express. Is the

1420
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: one who did it? Look at the subliminal effect of

1421
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: that brouh. Yes, I actually I know Ken. Now, I

1422
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: may or may not have a black card. That's not here, doc, Doc,

1423
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: you grew up. You grew up in the Midwest. You

1424
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: grew up in Detroit. What is your memory of Detroit?

1425
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: Because Detroit was a part of the Great Migration, and

1426
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: I remember my you know, my aunts and my uncle,

1427
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 1: my grandparents saying a lot of their relatives left the South.

1428
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: So I just can't deal with anymore. I cannot take

1429
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: the sharecropping, I can't take this picking cord, and I

1430
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: can't take the field, this manual labor. I'm going to Detroit.

1431
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to Chicago. I'm going to New York. And

1432
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: with Detroit was a part of the Great Migration. What

1433
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: do you remember about your childhood growing up in Detroit? Oh, Man,

1434
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: I had a great time speaking about black as positive brother.

1435
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen fifty eight, Man, I'm born

1436
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: during Jim Crow right. My mom was from Alabama, Daddy

1437
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: from Georgia. We used to go down south. Why South,

1438
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: Why can't we stop at the at the darn you

1439
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: know restaurant like everybody else doing. We got we got

1440
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: brown pain for bag sandwiches, and I got to relieve myself.

1441
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 1: I can't even stop and go to the bathroom. I

1442
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: got to have a Mason jar under the darn seat

1443
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: of the car. And I didn't understand that we were

1444
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: victims of white supremacy and racial injustice. And Jim Crow

1445
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: as we went down beneath the Mason Dixon line, and

1446
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: so I remember that. I remember going, you know, saying,

1447
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: can we stopped? Cany stopped, Camy stopped, finally stopping, Tennessee,

1448
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: go up in there with my mama. Didn't take my

1449
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: daddy and he driving, you know why they wasn't gonna

1450
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: take the black man in there, went in there. I said,

1451
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: we don't serve niggas in there. And I asked my mama,

1452
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: what's in there? Right? She said, don't tell your father.

1453
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: That's what he said, because I knew my father was

1454
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: going there and go off. So, you know, having that

1455
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: experience was amazing. Going down to my grandfather's farm was

1456
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 1: amazing in Alabama, but growing up in the Troit was magical.

1457
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: Black magic and the beautiful sense of that word. I mean,

1458
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 1: we had incredible, you know, black society, the Black church.

1459
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: I went to an all black church, went to an

1460
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: all Black school High excellence. Now, they tried to start

1461
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: of us of resources. We were in the hood. We

1462
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: didn't have the resources of the white schools. But those

1463
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: teachers made us the lead. We could do anything. My

1464
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: first grade teacher, Missus Jefferson, third grade teacher, Missus Harvey,

1465
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: fourth grade teacher, Miss Read, fifth grade teacher, Missus James,

1466
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: who gave us a sense of history, Black history man

1467
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: taught us everything changed my life. Missus James did sixth

1468
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: grade teacher, Missus Mars, seventh grade, Mister Birdad, Miss Stewart,

1469
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: eighth grade, Miss click Man. I'm at miss Rade tenth grade.

1470
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: Those teachers were gods to us, right, They were demiurgies.

1471
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: They were tremendous superheroes who gave us a sense of

1472
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: who we were. And they told us that we could

1473
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: do anything. And I believed it, man, And so that

1474
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: was magical. Before Johnny Cochrane, the Great Johnny Cochrane, one

1475
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 1: of my friends, I loved him. But there was a

1476
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: guy there named Kenneth Cockroll who cussed out the white judge,

1477
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: called him a old faye and some other words. I'm

1478
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: just telling you and lived to tell about it and

1479
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: didn't get disbarred and use big old words. I remember

1480
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: when I heard him, and I had heard doctor King

1481
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: when I was nine years old when he got shot,

1482
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: and I was sitting in the living room watching television.

1483
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: You know, the news was on, and then they announced

1484
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: that doctor King was shot. They interrupted the regular program

1485
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: and to indicate that Doctor King was shot. I may

1486
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: not get there with you, but I want you to

1487
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: know tonight, weaves of people will get to the Promised Land.

1488
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man.

1489
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: My eyes I see. Then he turns around and falls

1490
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: into the arms of Jesse Jackson on one side and

1491
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: Ralph Abernathy on the other. I mean, that's my childhood.

1492
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: Bob Gibson knocking out striking out seventeen batters in the

1493
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: first game of the nineteen sixty eight World Series, The

1494
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: Riots of Detroit. The Urban Rebellion nineteen sixty seven. Dark

1495
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Trails of Smoke going up into the clouds. I'm asking

1496
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: my mama what is that? And she said it's a riot.

1497
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: I said, what is that? And then she said it's

1498
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: because of a you know, a blind pig. And I said,

1499
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 1: what does a sightless mammo have to do with the

1500
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: dark riot and a blind pig. Of course, after I

1501
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: was joint, you know, in Detroit, and then the police

1502
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: rated it, and it just then as now black people

1503
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: being hurt and abused and shot by the police, and

1504
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: we had had enough and it erupted. So I grew

1505
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 1: up in a black universe where the blackness was the norm,

1506
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: where black excellence was the expectation, where black genius was

1507
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: the normative expression of talent, and we believed that we

1508
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: could do anything. Now. I learned quickly in the riots

1509
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: about racism when Doctor King got killed, about racism. In fact,

1510
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: when doctor King got shot, we had an upstairs rooms

1511
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: the Five Boys three or so seven episode of the

1512
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: House Small Holes, But we worked it out. We had

1513
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: a little balcony off the upper you know, the upstairs bathroom,

1514
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: and I was scared to wash my face for two

1515
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: years in front of that window because I figured if

1516
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: they killed him and he didn't do nothing, and he

1517
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: died on a balcony. They killed me too. Now my

1518
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: brother was like, crazy man, anybody even know you? You

1519
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: ain't famous. I said, it made me vulnerable. So I

1520
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: had a great time, a great experience, and blackness is

1521
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: a norm. But then I faced the reality of whiteness

1522
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: and the white supremacy as well, well, Doc, so being

1523
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: born in fifty eight, so you remember the Harlem riots,

1524
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: I think in sixty four, the La ris in sixty five,

1525
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: Wise and sixty seven, Doctor King sixty eight. I knew

1526
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: what knew Jersey sixty seven. That's right, Oh yeah, And

1527
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: if Doc, what's the reoccurring theme of all the time,

1528
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: the blacks of riot in America? The lunderlife theme, Doc,

1529
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: Police after police after police, coming straight from the underground.

1530
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: A young brother got it bad, cousin brown and not

1531
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: the other color. So police think they have the authority,

1532
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: the killer minority. It's been a constant theme, the police

1533
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,839
Speaker 1: mistreat and the black people. Watch nineteen sixty five, Detroit

1534
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: sixty seven, Brouh forty nine. I mean Tulsa, Oklahoma, they're

1535
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: dropping bombs on us right as since. But nineteen nineteen

1536
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: Chicago of the cops, I mean, when you think about

1537
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: what's going on. The mistreatment of black people has been extraordinary.

1538
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: That's why King in his nineteen sixty three I Have

1539
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: a Dream speech, talked about the marvelous new buildings inc

1540
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: and some of us have come straight where you know,

1541
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: and he talks about police brutality. He mentions it in

1542
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: his speech because it's so central to the experience of

1543
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: black people. So that is the common denominator of our

1544
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,919
Speaker 1: experiences as black people in this country with the police.

1545
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: That has led often to urban rebellions and social uprisings

1546
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 1: and riots in this country. Doctor, let's get back. Let's

1547
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: talk about your education. You matriculated, you went to an

1548
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: Ivy League school, you went to Princeton. You a sociology

1549
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: professor at Georgetown University. What made you pursue academia? Well,

1550
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, I was seen as a bright kid. I

1551
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: got a scholarship about to a suburban school. There's one

1552
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: of the top schools in the country, top ten prep schools,

1553
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 1: maybe top five. Cranbrook went out there, never going to

1554
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: school with white kids before got jacked up. Racism got

1555
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: jacked up, man. Racism was out there big time, even

1556
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: among the elite, the affluent. I mean on my door

1557
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: at night in the dorm room. This is when Roots

1558
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: was first coming out, and it was like blank word

1559
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 1: go home. Then they made a video audio tape, We're

1560
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: going cigar fishing today. Roops, No, we're not. We're going

1561
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 1: niggar fishing. What's debate? Hominy grits. So this is the

1562
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, nineteen seventy six, you know, seventy seven, I

1563
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: mean Roofs came out seventy seven. Yeah, so nineteen seventy seven,

1564
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: when it's coming out, I think I went. You know,

1565
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: I went there, had that experience. It was horrible, got

1566
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 1: kicked out, came back, went to night school. Uh you know,

1567
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: got a girl pregnant. I ain't saying it was a

1568
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: shotgun wedding, but a revolver wasn't in the room. I was.

1569
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: I was, uh what eighteen, she was twenty six? What? Yeah,

1570
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna speak on on on on what that

1571
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: was about. But anyway, you tried eight like the wall,

1572
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: people say you being a fast dog, you be a

1573
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: man of shot there? What's this? What's it? Yellow niggas

1574
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: got some surprises too, But anyway, so I had a son,

1575
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: I was a teen father get quickly got divorced. Woman

1576
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 1: said she didn't even loved me. I was like, dang,

1577
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: you could have told me this before we got married.

1578
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: But didn't go to college. So I was twenty one,

1579
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: I said, I was an emergency substitute janitor. I hustled

1580
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: on the street. I picked up still with my father

1581
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: so we could wait downtown. I painted houses, I shovel snow.

1582
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I did whatever it took to support my family. To

1583
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: twenty one, I said, I got to go back to

1584
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: college to support my son. Went to Knoxville College, historically

1585
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: black college down in Knoxville, and then you know, became

1586
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: I was an ordained minister at the same time, and

1587
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be a preacher. I

1588
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 1: am a preacher, but I thought I was gonna be

1589
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: an ordained minister. I've be an ordained minister forty one years.

1590
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: But I thought I was gonna pass her. I passed

1591
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: the three different churches in Tennessee. But when the third

1592
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 1: one put me out because I was trying to ordain

1593
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 1: black women, I was way ahead of the game. I

1594
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: wasn't just talking to talk. That was in nineteen eighty two,

1595
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: eighty three, Yeah, that was that was that was That

1596
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: was really a no no back then, doctor, they didn't

1597
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: really allow women in the pulpit, let alone, not not

1598
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 1: at all. But I wasn't stupid, so I said, well,

1599
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go here first, and I'm a teacher for

1600
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 1: a year and and teach them how to just so

1601
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: they could become deacons. So I wasn't trying to ordain

1602
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: women as ministers. I was just trying to ordain them

1603
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 1: as deacons. That was still a no no. Two. But

1604
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 1: I think I started right there now. I already got

1605
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: kicked out of school for not going. I got kicked

1606
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: out of school. I was straight as in philosophy because

1607
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: I was protesting the fact they only had one speaker year,

1608
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: And I said why, they said, giving your number, son,

1609
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: that's all you deserve. That's the percentage of black people here.

1610
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 1: You only deserve one speaker a year. I was like,

1611
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: man later for all that, So I protested, you have

1612
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 1: to go to a chapel every Tuesday. And I got

1613
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,759
Speaker 1: kicked out of school. So then I went to pastor.

1614
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: Then they got kicked out of pastor, and I got it.

1615
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: One Sunday morning, I went to church because keys wouldn't

1616
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: fit the door I was like, oh, okay, they give

1617
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 1: me some new new keys. Okay, I went to my office.

1618
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Keys didn't fit. I said, oh okay, they're gonna look

1619
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 1: me able to new office. Man, these people are good.

1620
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 1: When I did when I did a preach, I said, man,

1621
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: it's a lot of people out here I ain't never

1622
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 1: seen before. I said, I must be getting good. Dog.

1623
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: The members of the church, they called there to try

1624
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: to put my black bud out of there, and they voted.

1625
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 1: They got up after I priested. They said, Pastor, there's

1626
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: a problem in the church. I said, well, let's deal

1627
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: with a deacon. He said, the problem is you and man.

1628
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: They voted that day putting my black bud out, gave

1629
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 1: me one month severance pay, and told me to hit

1630
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,759
Speaker 1: the road. Brother, and I had a wife and a child,

1631
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 1: So you know, I know that it ain't just black

1632
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: and white. It's right and wrong. Bro, that's what the

1633
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 1: bottom line is. Right. So I got kicked out of school,

1634
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 1: went to pastor, got kicked out of church, went back

1635
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 1: to school. I said, well I might as well finished

1636
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,719
Speaker 1: went the wife folk. I'm thinking my degree, and while

1637
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: doing that, I said, I don't think I want a

1638
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 1: pastor I think I want to teach. The Lord has

1639
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 1: revealed to me that might be my strength. Right, So

1640
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: you know, I got into Vanderbilt, tremendous school, got into Brown,

1641
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 1: tremendous school, got into Princeton. So I ended up going

1642
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: to Princeton, ut of those three schools. And as they say,

1643
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 1: the rest is history, man. And I, you know, I

1644
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't go to college house of twenty one.

1645
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: So I made it for lost time and try to

1646
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: do a lot of things, and you know, sail through school,

1647
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, become a full professor. I got my I

1648
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: got my PhD. One year. The next year, I had

1649
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,759
Speaker 1: tenure and a full professorship at University of North Carolina Chapel.

1650
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 1: I left Brown, where I was already teaching. They were

1651
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna give me tenure there, but I got overnight in

1652
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 1: one year. What it takes people eighteen twenty years due

1653
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 1: I got a tenure and full professorship. So I said,

1654
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: let me make up for the last time I had

1655
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: out there and do what I gotta do. And I said,

1656
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write books, I'm gonna teach young people. I'm

1657
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: gonna try to use my platform to tell the truth

1658
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 1: and to fight for justice, and that's what I've tried

1659
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 1: to do. God is, what do you think is HBC's

1660
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 1: role in this? Obviously they do not have the financial backing.

1661
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: They don't have. I mean, they have some alumni, but

1662
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: the alumni is not like a Bill Gates or Warren Buffet,

1663
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: one of these guys that's gonna give a billion and

1664
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 1: two billion dollars to the endowment fund. So what role

1665
01:34:55,800 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 1: does HBCU play in educating, educating the the black America. Well,

1666
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: that's a great that's a great point and a great question.

1667
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're critical, they're they're they're serious. I mean,

1668
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 1: you're gonnad No, Roberts Smith going to Morehouse for giving

1669
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 1: forty three million dollars a debt. It just ain't gonna happen.

1670
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 1: That's a drop in the book, it right, because what

1671
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 1: you're thinking about, I mean, as incredible as that gesture was,

1672
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: but you know, think about the endowment of Harvard is what,

1673
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, seven eight billion dollars maybe more's maybe

1674
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: up to twenty billion by now, you know, so Princeton

1675
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: where I went to twenty twenty three billion, I mean,

1676
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 1: come on, man, So but a high percentage of black

1677
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: people who graduate from college still graduate from HBCUs. And

1678
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm you know, people say, why is that you go

1679
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: to these white schools p wis that didn't mean that's

1680
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: not PWT with Michael Jackson, pretty young things predominantly white institution.

1681
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes black people and brown people and red and yellow

1682
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: people are so tired after four years. They don't beat

1683
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: my bus so bad. I want to seeing those schools.

1684
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:09,879
Speaker 1: I'm done. Where As you go to Howard more House, Palladay, Spellman,

1685
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: you go, I'm the stuff, I can do anything, I'm

1686
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: smart to anybody. And then they go on to graduate schools.

1687
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: They go on to get graduate degrees and terminal degrees.

1688
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: So they've been supported and stood up for four years.

1689
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, treat it in a way where

1690
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: they become upstanding citizens. I mean, and they are backed

1691
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: and undergirded by the belief that they are doing something extraordinary,

1692
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 1: whereas they're beat down at the white schools. So those

1693
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 1: black schools serve a critical function. All three of my

1694
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 1: kids went there, Son more House, other Son Hampton, and

1695
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: my daughter Spellman. I started a nice school house. Those

1696
01:36:55,520 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 1: schools are extremely important in valuing black life, supporting black

1697
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 1: knowledge in supporting black people who will do tremendous things

1698
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: and giving them a sense that what their value and

1699
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: goal and struggle is is worthy of support, and that

1700
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 1: those institutions continue to play a key role in the

1701
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: education and the support of black people in this nation.

1702
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: I myself went to HBCUs, says you the Tigers, And

1703
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 1: like you said, Doc, I really believe that was the

1704
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 1: best thing for me, because I believe my professors sincerely

1705
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 1: cared about me. I don't really know how many of

1706
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: them knew I played football, because I don't remember seeing

1707
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: any of them at the game. But they educated me.

1708
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: They saw something in me. They wanted me to do well,

1709
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: even if the football aspect, because they're on my resume.

1710
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 1: They're professors, they're doctors at Savannah State. They're on my resume.

1711
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 1: So if I go out into the world and I

1712
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: don't do well well where you graduate from son SSU.

1713
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: So they needed to prepare me to make sure I

1714
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 1: made them look good. And I like to think I've

1715
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: done a great job of that. You've done a hell

1716
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: of a job. You've made them so proud. I mean

1717
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, but more than that, A better man

1718
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: than the Hall of fame, a deep and insightful thinker,

1719
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 1: a man who's desire for self improvement has driven you

1720
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 1: to the heights of yet another profession. That's remarkable, that's

1721
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: an incredible and that's a testimony not onto your own

1722
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 1: internal drive and desire, but to the kind of pedigree

1723
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 1: of those teachers who took you underwing and mentored you

1724
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: in a fundamental fashion. Do you like I said when

1725
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: I introduced you, you're obviously you're a sociology professor. You

1726
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: got all these degrees, you taught all of your classes.

1727
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: You can watch politically about sports, you can watch politically

1728
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: about religion, the hip hop culture. Jay Z. You taught

1729
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: a class on jay Z. Your clue, you wrote a

1730
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 1: book on jay Z. You're close to jay Z. Give

1731
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 1: us some insight, give the people some insight into jay

1732
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: Z and what makes them great. I mean, just like you.

1733
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 1: He's a humble and self possessed brother. Now, when he's

1734
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 1: got to talk about his greatness on record, he's gonna

1735
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 1: do that because he can hang with the best of him.

1736
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,600
Speaker 1: But as an individual and a human being, this is

1737
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: not an arrogant dude, This is a He's a confident man.

1738
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: Beautiful spirit. People think, you know, he's very reserved in

1739
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 1: the sense that you know he does. He's cool, he's

1740
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 1: got passion, but he's able to articulate his ideas with eloquence,

1741
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: with intelligence. You know, anybody who sits down when jay

1742
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: Z will discover within one minute of how smart he is,

1743
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 1: how well read he is, how he understands the complicated,

1744
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:47,560
Speaker 1: nuanced perspectives of a variety of fields, including business and entrepreneurship,

1745
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: but also committed deeply to social justice. I can't tell

1746
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: you how many meetings I've been in with him where

1747
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 1: he's trying to leverage his authority as a billionaire in

1748
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: this country and Tyler or just joined him. What up, Tyler?

1749
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 1: What's up? Media is not so when you think about that,

1750
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: all that he possesses, he can still keep it read,

1751
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: it can still spit with the best of him. He's

1752
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: like Lebron fifty years old and he's still you know,

1753
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 1: he's still out there doing it on the internet. They're like,

1754
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 1: you should spit it. I'm like, you should buy it, brother,

1755
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 1: that's good business. So he's still out there doing his thing.

1756
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 1: Just dropped the song with Farrell fifty years old making

1757
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 1: relevant rap music understanding his place and position of authority

1758
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: in this culture. Married to Beyonce and as partners they have,

1759
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: you know, produced three beautiful children. They are magnificent parents.

1760
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 1: He's a remarkable human being and people don't understand. I

1761
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 1: know they got mad at the NFL deal. Look, it's

1762
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 1: star Ski and Hutch, it's inside outside, It's three point

1763
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: shot is baseline. We need both and not either or.

1764
01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: And what he has done to encourage Roger Goodell in

1765
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 1: the NFL to do some stuff they would have never done.

1766
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:04,719
Speaker 1: Where do you think though that campaign for all those

1767
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:08,719
Speaker 1: commercials came from and indeed, even though it didn't work out,

1768
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: there was pressure from him in this you know, within

1769
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 1: the house of the NFL to grant you know, Colin

1770
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 1: Knick a trial, So a lot of stuff people don't understand.

1771
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:23,759
Speaker 1: Jay Z has been behind and is an extraordinary figure.

1772
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 1: And he's got a woman running his company, Desiree Perez,

1773
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: the CEO. He's never given. People don't even mentioned that

1774
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of credit to jay Z. For credit in the

1775
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 1: sense that he understands that regardless of your gender or

1776
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 1: your sexual orientation. Look how he spoke about that his

1777
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:45,799
Speaker 1: mother coming out the closet and embracing the full beauty

1778
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 1: of her identity as a lesbian. So so, this man

1779
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: has been through a lot, has written about it, has

1780
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 1: talked about it, has made great music about it, and

1781
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 1: continues to be an inspiration musically, but also has evolved

1782
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: to an epic businessman, a global entrepreneur, and a kind

1783
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 1: of advocate for justice. Who's strong and who's consistent? Who

1784
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: to go? I didn't even know who to go? I'll

1785
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 1: be calling your golden basketball. I don't know who you

1786
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,640
Speaker 1: gold in football? You go back and forth. I mean,

1787
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 1: one minute is Tom Brady and then you like Jared Rice,

1788
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 1: And so I don't know. I know if basketball, but

1789
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 1: I need to know who the golden hip hop right

1790
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 1: in his rap ban as a as a football player,

1791
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: I'd still say Jerry Rice. But I don't know, but but,

1792
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 1: but but I don't know Tom Brady. Is Tom Brady

1793
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback ever? Ain't no doubt about that. I mean

1794
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 1: the goat. It's like what Jordan says about different genres

1795
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: and eras. Right, You think about think about standing by

1796
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 1: the speaker. Suddenly I heard of fever. It wasn't me

1797
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 1: or either summer madness. You think about rock him Rocky.

1798
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 1: You think about rock him doing his thing, but then

1799
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,680
Speaker 1: the game changed up. But look, it'd be hard to

1800
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: put anybody above Jay and Nas. Who's going Who's above Jay?

1801
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 1: And who's above Jay and Nas? Bro? Who's above Jay

1802
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 1: and Nas? I just and I love, I love Bidget Tupac,

1803
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 1: I love Biggie and Tupac, But I'm talking about skill, longevity,

1804
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 1: the ability to produce over space and time, to even

1805
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 1: be seen as having not a hit record and then

1806
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 1: coming back. I mean, man, Jay and Nas, those guys there,

1807
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: to me are unparalleled in terms of what they're able

1808
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 1: to do. So jay Z is in a class by

1809
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 1: himself and as an entrepreneur who's become a billionaire and

1810
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 1: an artist. And look at what Nas has done by

1811
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 1: leveraging his own artistic New Year and his genius as

1812
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:46,680
Speaker 1: a rhetorician not only to great businesses, but also as

1813
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: a socially conscientious, you know, above ground, uh, you know,

1814
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 1: positive conscious rapper. So both of I mean, Jay and

1815
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,639
Speaker 1: Nahs are just incredible. It would be hard, it would

1816
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: be hard to outrank them. And then there are a

1817
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: lot of other great people like you said, Biggie Cock.

1818
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean, look, scarface, common you know black thought is

1819
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many of Lauren Hill krs one Okay,

1820
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: doc Light, I mean, you know, come on, you watch

1821
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 1: you watch this versus battle. We saw Ludicrous and Nelly,

1822
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,599
Speaker 1: We saw Erica Badou and Jill Scott, we saw Snoop

1823
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:29,720
Speaker 1: and Da Mex. We just saw Monica and Brandy. So okay,

1824
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: it's so if it's gonna be jay versus not, who's

1825
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 1: the next versus battle you'd like to see? Oh man,

1826
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,679
Speaker 1: the jay Nas would be off the chain really because

1827
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 1: they're friends. Because those things, those verses are not really

1828
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 1: versus against anybody else. It's just really sharing your catalog people,

1829
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: even though peoplere gonna make judgments. Uh. But yeah, I

1830
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: mean the Monica and Brandy was dope. I mean both

1831
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 1: of them are amazing. Uh. I would love to see

1832
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa MC like that would because they're both of

1833
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 1: them are so dope. Yes, they are so dope. That

1834
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:12,759
Speaker 1: would be amazing. If you think about a scarface who's

1835
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: one of the greatest slept one of all time versus

1836
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 1: maybe a Beanie Seguel, you know, I think that would

1837
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 1: be off the chain too, because the density or a

1838
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: black thought, you know, versus a Royster to five nine.

1839
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these are geniuses. Everybody I've mentioned

1840
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 1: to you are rhetorical masters of their art form. I

1841
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:38,679
Speaker 1: got one if they were both alive. Prince Michael Jackson,

1842
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah who you got? I mean Prince

1843
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 1: is Duke Ellington and Michael Jackson is Louis Armstrong. So

1844
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: so you know, Duke Ellington played instrument, yes, you know,

1845
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 1: could compose, yes, play, he could do the whole thing right,

1846
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 1: and I mean he didn't sing, but he might have,

1847
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, did a couple of things. But then Louis Armstrong, Yeah,

1848
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: but that Sashmo, but he played that harm right, he

1849
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 1: composed him, but he was you know, so they had

1850
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 1: different and I remember once I think it was you know,

1851
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: uh went Marcellis who made that comparison between Jordan and

1852
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. Or wasn't Magic Johnson and Bird I don't know,

1853
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 1: but he was talking about the difference between Armstrong and

1854
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:36,719
Speaker 1: between uh Louis Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington. So both

1855
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and I look, I knew Prince better. I

1856
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 1: met him a few times. He brought me to his compound.

1857
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 1: A genius. One time I met Michael Jackson in the

1858
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 1: bathroom at the funeral of Johnny Cochrane and he's getting

1859
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 1: his washing his hands. This is before COVID. Clearly, I

1860
01:46:55,160 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 1: like how you talk on TV. I said, uh, I

1861
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:07,679
Speaker 1: like how you sang on stage. I mean Michael Jackson

1862
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 1: as a as a as a performer is until Beyonce.

1863
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 1: I know, people gonna get mad out there. I don't

1864
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 1: care what y'all say. Ain't nobody doing what Beyonce do

1865
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 1: it for two hours? Stop Michael Jackson, take a break.

1866
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:25,720
Speaker 1: I ain't mad. You know, you do your little thing,

1867
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: you do the moonwalk and all that other stuff, and

1868
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 1: he was great. Then you take a little break and

1869
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: do some other stuff. This woman is singing straight for

1870
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 1: two hours, at the height of her vocal capacity and performing.

1871
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 1: Greatest entertainer of all time. But before her it was

1872
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. And Michael still number two, you know to me,

1873
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 1: But I mean greatest entertainer at his point. I mean,

1874
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 1: Prince is a phenomenal entertainer. But I'm gonna take Prince.

1875
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 1: Doc you get all that run around, I'm taking Prince.

1876
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:58,799
Speaker 1: He gonna play the guitar, he gonna sing, he gonna dance.

1877
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to on man, concert is

1878
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 1: gonna be him, no question about it. So I can't

1879
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 1: be mad at that. But they're both geniuses. Okay, well

1880
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 1: my body of work, I don't know it. If you say,

1881
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 1: you said Beyonce is the great? So who you want

1882
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 1: to see Beyonce go against? Or I think anybody worth

1883
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 1: you're going against Beyonce? I mean, who could Beyonce? Really?

1884
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 1: I guess Taylor Swift? I don't know. I mean maybe maybe,

1885
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: but none of them. Ain't nobody got her catalog? I mean,

1886
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: ain'tybody fooling would be anybody fooling would be like that?

1887
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 1: How about this if she was alive, Whitneys Houston Mariah carry, Oh,

1888
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 1: that would be a hell of a one. Yeah, that'd

1889
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 1: be a hell of a one. You know, you hey,

1890
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 1: Because both of them had unbelievable range, Oh, no doubt.

1891
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking about from here to here, but no doubt.

1892
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: Now Mariah's range was greater in terms of those notes.

1893
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:51,919
Speaker 1: But passion and color of what Whitney did is so powerful.

1894
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and they loved each other and their boys.

1895
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 1: You know, people try to compare them, but there's you know,

1896
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:58,760
Speaker 1: no comparison in terms who did in his or her

1897
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean her own length, but both of them. Yeah,

1898
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 1: that would that would be doper than dope man, Doc bro,

1899
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,600
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time. You laid it down for

1900
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: us today. I know, I know you're a busy man.

1901
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 1: You got a busy schedule. You're in the process of

1902
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 1: writing enough finishing up another book, and you gave me

1903
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: a few hours of your time today, Doc, I really

1904
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You're Shannon Sharp. You're sharper than most people.

1905
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 1: You you you cast a broad shadow of your humanity.

1906
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,680
Speaker 1: I love your ability to talk, you and skip you know,

1907
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: inspire me a black man, a white man on television

1908
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 1: every day, telling the truth about race in ways that

1909
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 1: we don't get in most arenas. So I honor you.

1910
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 1: I celebrate you, your desire to get better and the

1911
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 1: extraordinary talent you have exhibited. You're just the best, brother.

1912
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 1: So it's always an honor to hang out with you

1913
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 1: and with you Sharp and to do this program. Thank you, brother,

1914
01:49:57,439 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate it. I see you down the road, Doc.

1915
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 1: Word to it all my life and running all my life. Sacrifice,

1916
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: Hustle Bay, the Price, Wanna Slice, Got the Broller Dice

1917
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:11,080
Speaker 1: to swap all my life. I've been running all my life,

1918
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:15,719
Speaker 1: all my life, then running all my life. Sacrifice, hustle,

1919
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:19,000
Speaker 1: bade the price. Wanna slice, got the brother of Dice

1920
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:23,919
Speaker 1: to swap all my life. I've been running all my life.