WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: Jack Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday. We have a two parter on Eugene Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Bullard coming up on the podcast, and in it we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned Jack Johnson, so we're bringing out our episode on

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<v Speaker 1>him as a Saturday classic. Just a heads up. Toward

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<v Speaker 1>the end of this episode, there is a brief discussion

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<v Speaker 1>of intimate partner violence and of someone dying by suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Also as an update to this episode, in Johnson was

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of violating the Man Act that was passed during

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<v Speaker 1>a moral panic around the idea of white slavery, and

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about that law more in our episode on

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<v Speaker 1>Grace Humiston's This law was grounded in racism and xenophobia

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<v Speaker 1>and it round up criminalizing various types of consensual sexual activity,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really what happened here and more on Johnson's conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>As part of this episode, President Donald Trump posthumously pardoned

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson on and just as a random note, since previous

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<v Speaker 1>host Sarah and Bablina mentioned doing this episode for Black

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<v Speaker 1>History Months, we try to cover Black history and other

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<v Speaker 1>history that's usually put into a particular month year round,

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<v Speaker 1>so folks do not need to save their Black History

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<v Speaker 1>topic suggestions for February. Send those in whenever they occur

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<v Speaker 1>to you at any point, Yes, so enjoy. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff you missed in History Class A production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Dowdy and I'm Deblina Chalk Reboarding, and we are of

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<v Speaker 1>course covering Black History Month for February and today. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty hard to imagine professional sports in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>were once segregated, perhaps especially a sport like boxing, where

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<v Speaker 1>some of the biggest names guys like Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis,

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<v Speaker 1>George Foreman, the recently departed Joe Frasier are African American,

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<v Speaker 1>But at the turn of the twentieth century, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that there could be a black heavyweight champion was impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>And surprisingly, the issue wasn't just about a white man

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<v Speaker 1>fighting a black man and the physical contact that that

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<v Speaker 1>would necessitate, which, unfortunately, in the context of segregation that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of makes sense, where sharing a water fountain or

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<v Speaker 1>sharing a waiting room was considered not okay. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>figure my extension that something is physical as boxing where

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna swap sweat and blood and embrace in the

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<v Speaker 1>ring would also not be okay. But black and white

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<v Speaker 1>boxers did fight each other. Exhibition matches weren't uncommon, and

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<v Speaker 1>just as the white Major League Baseball players would barnstorm

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<v Speaker 1>with their Negro League counterparts decades before integration, boxers of

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<v Speaker 1>different races would fight at pretty much all levels, except

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<v Speaker 1>at the highest level, the heavyweight championship. For several reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>which will discuss some more. The heavyweight title was considered

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<v Speaker 1>so prestigious, so honorable, it couldn't be sullied by a

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<v Speaker 1>black contender in some people's opinion, let alone a black champion.

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<v Speaker 1>So it took Texas born Jack Johnson. We're not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the singer, of course, we're talking about the boxer

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<v Speaker 1>to break that color line. And to do it, he

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<v Speaker 1>had to be not only a powerful fighter, but really

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<v Speaker 1>dogged in his pursuit of the fight, trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to actually fight him. He hounded his potential opponents,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that eventually the honor of defending that title, which

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<v Speaker 1>was so such an important thing in the boxing world,

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<v Speaker 1>plus of course the purse money that would come with

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<v Speaker 1>defending it, would eventually make it worthwhile for a white

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<v Speaker 1>champion to step into the ring and fight with a

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<v Speaker 1>black man. So first We're gonna give you a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about Jack Johnson's background before we get to the fighting,

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<v Speaker 1>the really exciting part. John Arthur Johnson or Jack, was

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<v Speaker 1>born March thirty one, eight seventy eight, in Galaston, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>His parents were former slaves who educated all six of

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<v Speaker 1>their kids, working as a school janitor and a laundress.

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<v Speaker 1>And though Jack only had five years of schooling, he

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<v Speaker 1>became a voracious student of history, with a particular fondness

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<v Speaker 1>for Napoleon. And he also played bass fiddle, loved classical music,

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<v Speaker 1>and invented stuff he invented. He had a patent on

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<v Speaker 1>a wrench. I think we should have put him in

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<v Speaker 1>our earlier podcast on Unlikely Invented. Unlikely Inventors would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a good one. So as a kid, Johnson started

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<v Speaker 1>fighting in battle royals, which were these really horrible sounding

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<v Speaker 1>underground fights. But from that sort of inauspicious start, Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>worked his way up, moved up to fights with actual purses,

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<v Speaker 1>and started riding the rails to barnstorm around the country

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<v Speaker 1>and also helping more experienced boxers train as a as

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<v Speaker 1>a sparring partner. And as we already mentioned, blacks did

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<v Speaker 1>fight whites it just wasn't for that top spot. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>much of Johnson's defensive expertise he could seemingly swat away

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<v Speaker 1>punches very easily, and that came from practicing and training

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<v Speaker 1>with Joe choin Ski after the two were jailed together

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<v Speaker 1>for boxing in the first place. And just a note

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<v Speaker 1>for you here, just a little side note at the

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<v Speaker 1>turning contact boxing context for you guys. Exactly around the

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<v Speaker 1>turn of the century, boxing was a popular sport with

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<v Speaker 1>all classes of people, but it was still a sport

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<v Speaker 1>that was considered kind of a lista even illegal in

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<v Speaker 1>many places. Despite the gloves rules and timed rounds, and

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<v Speaker 1>with new techniques picked up from Joe, plus his naturally

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<v Speaker 1>powerful punch and his six foot one and a half

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<v Speaker 1>inch frame, Johnson moved on to bigger cities and he

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<v Speaker 1>eventually made up to one thousand dollars per fight. He

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<v Speaker 1>was becoming a contender, but one who would never be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed or so a lot of people thought to fight

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<v Speaker 1>the heavyweight champion, But why why wasn't he allowed? And

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about that some, but at first I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to recommend there's a fantastic Ken Burns documentary

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<v Speaker 1>on Jack Johnson called unforgivable blackness, and for me, it

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<v Speaker 1>really helped explain the racial politics behind boxing at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy to find a lot of biographical information on Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>but it helped put some of that into context for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though boxing was an illicit sport, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>people would campaign against its violence, the heavyweight championship was

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of an upstanding position. It was well respected

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<v Speaker 1>and John L. Sullivan, who was called the Boston strong Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot to do with the respect for that position.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the first gloved heavyweight champion and really became

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<v Speaker 1>a huge celebrity, kind of a sports hero, long before

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<v Speaker 1>sports heroes really existed, and he made the title something

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<v Speaker 1>that was actually important to the general audience, almost a

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<v Speaker 1>byeword for the strongest man in the world. And he

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<v Speaker 1>even bragged that he could beat anyone in the world, except,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, it was understood African Americans, who he just

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<v Speaker 1>would not fight. He refused to fight black boxers, drawing

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<v Speaker 1>a color line after he became the heavyweight champion. Since

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<v Speaker 1>the heavyweight title represented more than just physical prowess or

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<v Speaker 1>boxing expertise, it represented physical superiority to all other men

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<v Speaker 1>and so it had this really weighty social significance to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sullivan's precedent continued with later heavyweight champs all the

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<v Speaker 1>way through Jim Jeffries, the boiler Maker, who had made

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<v Speaker 1>his early name fighting some of the best black boxers

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. And Jeffreys was kind of the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>boxing specimen of that era, who was hairy chested, he

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<v Speaker 1>once drank a case of whiskey in two days, and

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<v Speaker 1>he kept a bear as a pet. But even though

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<v Speaker 1>up and coming jack Johnson was winning against all other

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<v Speaker 1>major black boxers of the time, clinching the unofficial Negro

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<v Speaker 1>heavyweight Championship, Jeffries wouldn't fight him. They instead engaged in

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of battle of words and intimidation. After knocking

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<v Speaker 1>out Jim Jeffrey's brother Jack in an l a fight,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson told the spectator champ that he could beat him too,

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<v Speaker 1>egging him on really, and then in a San Francisco saloon, Jefferies,

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<v Speaker 1>after Jackson had again said why don't you fight me,

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferies offered Jackson two dollars on the bar to fight

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<v Speaker 1>him completely alone in the seller You know this really

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<v Speaker 1>sketchy sounding scenario. Johnson refused, that he was only going

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<v Speaker 1>to fight him if it was a real fight. Finally, though,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen o five, the undefeated Jefferies decided that he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to retire from boxing, retire and become an

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<v Speaker 1>alfalfa farmer. And of course, though retiring like that, he

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<v Speaker 1>needed to um crown a new champion, a new heavyweight champion,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he refereed about between two white contenders and

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<v Speaker 1>name the winner the new heavyweight champion. Johnson obviously was

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<v Speaker 1>really mad that this had happened this way. He hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>gotten his chance to fight the undisputed champion, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he started still just going after the title anyway he could,

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<v Speaker 1>going after the new title holders. Eventually, that title holder

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<v Speaker 1>was Tommy Burns, who was a Canadian born Noah Brusso,

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<v Speaker 1>and Burns, like his predecessors, wouldn't fight Johnson either though,

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<v Speaker 1>so it seemed like it was going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>losing battle. Yeah, but Johnson wouldn't relent. He followed Burns

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<v Speaker 1>around the world, challenging him everywhere he went, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>it started to get embarrassing for Burns, even though in

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<v Speaker 1>some twisted logic, Burns would call Johnson yellow even though

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<v Speaker 1>he was the one where he don't get that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't either, So he said what he thought would be

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<v Speaker 1>an insurmountable barrier between him and Johnson, Burns said he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't break the color line for less than thirty thous dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So he thought, Okay, surely nobody's going to go for that.

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<v Speaker 1>But sure enough somebody did agree to pay that much.

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<v Speaker 1>In the fall of nineteen o eight, Australian Hugh known

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<v Speaker 1>as Huge Deal McIntosh agreed to put up the money

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<v Speaker 1>and put on the fight. So Burns accepted the thirty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars. Johnson, by the way, only got five thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>and their fight took place the day after Christmas nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>o eight in Sydney, Australia. So we're gonna give you

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<v Speaker 1>a brief play by play of how the fight went down.

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<v Speaker 1>It started amid huge cheers for Burns and jeers for Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>even though and you can see this in the footage,

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<v Speaker 1>he was still blowing the crowd kisses quite kindly. Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>had Burns on the floor within seconds, and even though

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<v Speaker 1>Burns started to call Johnson racial slurs, Johnson really had

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<v Speaker 1>a more effective way to um anger or embarrass his opponent.

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<v Speaker 1>He would point at spots on his own body, like

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<v Speaker 1>on his side or on his stomach, just point at

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<v Speaker 1>it with his glove, urging Burns to punch him there.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Burns, after clearly a second of hesitation, like

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<v Speaker 1>what on earth is going on here, would really punch him,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson wouldn't even flinch or react, I mean, really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff to psych him out. Johnson, meanwhile, would hug Burns,

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<v Speaker 1>holding him up to keep him fighting when he was

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<v Speaker 1>starting to get tired. By the fourteenth round, it was

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<v Speaker 1>clear that Johnson was going to be the winner. Police

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<v Speaker 1>stopped the fight and the cameras. You can see a

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<v Speaker 1>freeze frame the last the last second of the cameras rolling,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Johnson was declared winner. They stopped the cameras

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't want to see They didn't want everybody

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<v Speaker 1>to see Johnson defeating this white guy. But it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter if people saw it or not. At thirty years old,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson was the new heavyweight champion. So now it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to start talking a little bit about Johnson's personal life,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's what everyone else was doing at the time anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've studied the Harlem Renaissance, Red w E,

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<v Speaker 1>DWO Boys, or even listen to our Mark Scarvey podcast

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<v Speaker 1>You've Heard of the New Negro. A Mike Walsh article

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<v Speaker 1>in The Smithsonian does a lot to put that era

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<v Speaker 1>of the New Negro into context. It came after a

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<v Speaker 1>dark post reconstruction era where Jim Crow laws codified segregation

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<v Speaker 1>and lynchings really increased. And by the turn of the century, though,

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<v Speaker 1>with the Great Migration providing African Americans with new opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>in industrial work up north, things seemed to be looking

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<v Speaker 1>up a little bit. The idea of the New Negro developed.

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<v Speaker 1>They were born free, ready for opportunity, and not content

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<v Speaker 1>to just hang back and wait. So Johnson was the

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<v Speaker 1>epitome of that New Negro. He dressed immaculately, he lived finely,

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<v Speaker 1>and he spoke freely. But for many African Americans, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly for many white Americans, he took things a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit too far. He drank heavily, he raced and crashed

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<v Speaker 1>fast cars. He had gold crowns. He got into arguments

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<v Speaker 1>with the owners of the vaudeville theaters that he'd moonlight in.

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<v Speaker 1>Most seriously, though, he dated white women who he would

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<v Speaker 1>often meet at Chicago's fancy is Bordello. When the news

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<v Speaker 1>that the new champion, Johnson, was traveling around with a

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<v Speaker 1>white companion, his hometown of Galveston canceled the big parade

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<v Speaker 1>they had planned for him. So that was the big issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's important to keep that one in mind as

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<v Speaker 1>we go forward. But there was another issue going on

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<v Speaker 1>for Johnson, to one that was actually pertinent to boxing.

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<v Speaker 1>Since the old champion, Jim Jefferies, had retired undefeated to

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<v Speaker 1>his elf Alfa farm, some people began questioning whether Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>was really a legitimate champion at all. Had really bothered

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<v Speaker 1>folks when they're there when there were the white champions

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<v Speaker 1>in between, but was bothering them now? So Johnson answered

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<v Speaker 1>that he would fight Jeffreys or anyone else who wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to fight him, and almost immediately the search to find

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<v Speaker 1>that anyone who was considered or called the great white

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<v Speaker 1>hope started, so seriously, anyone who was white could be

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<v Speaker 1>a challenger. They'd come from the fields, from circuses, and

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<v Speaker 1>if they finally got to Johnson, he'd steamrolled them. And

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<v Speaker 1>after running out of white hopes, Johnson took on his

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<v Speaker 1>pal and drinking Buddy Stanley Ketchell the white and middleweight

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<v Speaker 1>champion of the world, and according to the Burns documentary,

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<v Speaker 1>fight promoters dressed Ketchell up for photos and high healed

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<v Speaker 1>cowboy boots and a bulky coat to make him look

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<v Speaker 1>more comparable to Johnson. They also had each fighter promised something,

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<v Speaker 1>so Ketchell promised that he wouldn't try to actually win

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<v Speaker 1>and in the process wind up getting really badly hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>It was much smaller, and Johnson promised that he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>knock out Ketchell. Broken promises all around. However, things did

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<v Speaker 1>not go according to Plant what they did. For a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. For the first part of the fight, it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like everybody was happy. It was gonna turn out

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<v Speaker 1>to be a great movie. The boxers could make a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money off of it. Everybody would be good.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the twelfth round, Ketchell really started trying to win,

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<v Speaker 1>and he knocked down Johnson as soon as he was up.

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<v Speaker 1>There was obviously a huge mistake. As soon as he

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<v Speaker 1>was up, Johnson knocked out Ketchell in the process, knocking

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<v Speaker 1>out all of his front teeth. At the route, which

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<v Speaker 1>is I'm looking at to Blina is cringing right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's maybe one of the more disturbing physical parts of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, Getting your teeth Knocked Out. Eventually, though, after

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<v Speaker 1>all of these defeats of the Great White Hopes the

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<v Speaker 1>defeat of Ketchel, it was clear that there was only

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<v Speaker 1>one legitimate contender out there for Johnson. That was, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Jefferies. Even though now he was thirty four, he

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<v Speaker 1>was nearly three hundred pounds and he was seriously enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>his alfalfa farming, he was enjoying retirement. He however, had

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<v Speaker 1>to be the Great White Hope, and eventually Jeffreys agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to come out of retirement and fight us Marshall. Text

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<v Speaker 1>Rickard won the rights to promote what promised to be

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<v Speaker 1>the fight of the century, and it was sent for

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<v Speaker 1>July four so each fighter would be paid fifty thou dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about one point six million dollars today for

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<v Speaker 1>film rights, plus as signing bonus of ten thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and plus the winner would receive two thirds of a

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<v Speaker 1>one and one thousand dollar purse. The governor of California

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<v Speaker 1>ended up banning the match, though, and after that Record

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<v Speaker 1>moved it to Reno, Nevada, where price fighting was legal. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of a wild Westish area. I guess seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like prize fighting was a civilized pursuit with all of

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<v Speaker 1>its rules and gloves and people not usually getting killed.

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<v Speaker 1>The only condition of the sudden venue switch was that

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<v Speaker 1>the governor of Nevada had records swear that the fight

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't stacked, So Ricord did a lot to try to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that the fight was secure. He placed deputies

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<v Speaker 1>at the arena's entrances who confiscated firearms from the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty thousand. Celebrities and attendance included former champ John L.

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<v Speaker 1>Sullivan and novelist slash sports commentator Jack London. There were

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<v Speaker 1>even mock fights set up around the country with reenactors

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<v Speaker 1>recreating the fight blow for blow. Really was the fight

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<v Speaker 1>of the century at the point, but don't forget for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute that the whole thing was largely about race.

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<v Speaker 1>The Smithsonian article Dablina mentioned has a quote from The

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times on the eve of the fight that read,

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<v Speaker 1>if the black man wins, thousands and thousands of his

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<v Speaker 1>ignorant brothers will misinterpret his victory as justifying claims to

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<v Speaker 1>much more than physical equality with their white neighbors. Pretty

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<v Speaker 1>serious stuff. So despite Jeffrey's rush training, though in a

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<v Speaker 1>massive sudden weight loss he lost about a hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>he was still favored over Johnson ten to four. But

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson wasn't worried. He was quoted as saying he felt

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<v Speaker 1>like a kid on Christmas morning on the on the

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<v Speaker 1>eve of the fight. This was, after all, what he

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<v Speaker 1>had been waiting for, you know, not just achieving the championship,

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<v Speaker 1>but defending it from any further claims. So now we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to give you a little rundown of this particular fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferies refused to shake hands with Johnson right off the bat,

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<v Speaker 1>and his corner man, former champ gentleman Jim Corbett, whose

0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.679
<v Speaker 1>defensive style Johnson had actually emulated, started a stream of

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<v Speaker 1>racial slurs that lasted the entire match. According to an

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<v Speaker 1>Ebony article by Lauren Bennett Jr. Johnson later remembered quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I sensed that most of the great audience was hostile

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<v Speaker 1>to me. But despite the sun and the jeering mob,

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<v Speaker 1>and the occasional thought that there might be a gunman

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in that vast array of humanity, I was cool

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<v Speaker 1>and perfectly at ease. I never had any doubt of

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<v Speaker 1>the outcome, and if you watch the footage, it really

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<v Speaker 1>looks that way too. You can watch this uh this

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<v Speaker 1>match online and see the two fighters basically locked in

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<v Speaker 1>an embrace, with Johnson just lobbing one undercut after another

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<v Speaker 1>at Jeffreys. This is the part that stood out to

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<v Speaker 1>me the most. Jeffrey's head just bounces around every time

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<v Speaker 1>he gets hit by Johnson. In the second round, Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>told him, don't rush, Jim. I can do this all day.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked Jeffries, how do you feel, Jim, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you like it? Does it hurt? And by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the fourteenth round, Jefferies just looked horrifying. His nose

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<v Speaker 1>was broken and gushing blood, his eyes were swollen, even

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<v Speaker 1>his legs are all stained with more blood. He looks really,

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<v Speaker 1>really bad. In the fifteenth round, he was knocked down

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<v Speaker 1>and then knocked down again, falling over the lower ropes

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<v Speaker 1>that time, and at that point the crowd started to

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<v Speaker 1>cry for Jefferies not to be knocked out. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to see their formerly undefeated champion get knocked out

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<v Speaker 1>by Johnson. So the fight was ended with Johnson declared

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<v Speaker 1>the winner, and again If you see the footage, it

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<v Speaker 1>shows Johnson's cornermen quickly forming this defensive circle around him,

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding him to protect him from the furious crowd around

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<v Speaker 1>the country to some people were celebrating, some or not

0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.399
<v Speaker 1>African Americans came out to celebrate, but race riots began

0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly, and up to twenty six people died as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of these race riots over a boxing match.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jeffries at least concedes defeat really graciously. He later says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Johnson was better than I ever was, and tells

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<v Speaker 1>his friends that he couldn't have even beaten him in

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<v Speaker 1>his prime, so kind of putting an end to any

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<v Speaker 1>purizing that, well, maybe if Jeffreys had been younger and

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<v Speaker 1>in better shape, things would have been different. So Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>now the undisputed champ, was unbeatable, except when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to his private life, that is, which began to fall

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<v Speaker 1>apart pretty quickly. He started drinking heavily, and he threatened

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<v Speaker 1>to commit suicide. He was also treated for nervous exhaustion

0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.160
<v Speaker 1>and was arrested for speeding. He established the color line

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<v Speaker 1>of his own too, no longer fighting black contenders since

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<v Speaker 1>he considered them harder fights for not as much money.

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<v Speaker 1>He also beat his wealthy girlfriend at a durya badly

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<v Speaker 1>enough for her to be sent to the hospital, and

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<v Speaker 1>after that they married. But her sad life living upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>from his black and tan Chicago club Cafe d Champion,

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<v Speaker 1>isolated from both black and white communities, drove her to

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<v Speaker 1>commit suicide in September nineteen twelve, and Johnson was really

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<v Speaker 1>inconsolable after that. But within only a month or so

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<v Speaker 1>he had paired up with a nineteen year old white

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<v Speaker 1>prostitute named Lucille Cameron Um and drove with her across

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<v Speaker 1>state lines. And so for all those people out there

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<v Speaker 1>who were ready for Jack Johnson to just go away

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<v Speaker 1>and stop causing so much trouble, finally this was a

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<v Speaker 1>way to eliminate him. So backing up a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ten, Congress had passed the Man Act, which

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<v Speaker 1>was originally established to ban the transport of women across

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<v Speaker 1>state lines for immoral purposes. It was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>something to stop human trafficking, but the Justice to Partment

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<v Speaker 1>used it to attack Johnson. It was never meant to

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<v Speaker 1>be something for two consenting adults traveling together to be

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<v Speaker 1>you know punished with this was just their opportunity, it was,

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<v Speaker 1>so Johnson was arrested October eighteenth, nineteen twelve. He was

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<v Speaker 1>released on bail, and in the intervening months he married Lucile,

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<v Speaker 1>the woman who he had been traveling with, and she

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<v Speaker 1>had already refused to testify against him, So with that

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<v Speaker 1>turn of events, without her testimony, the case against Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>was really worthless. So the Bureau of Investigation got involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the whole thing, trying to find any evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson had broken the Man Act at some earlier point. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>they connected with a former white bordello girlfriend of Johnson's

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<v Speaker 1>who agreed to testify she had cross state lines with him,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they had done so before the Man Act

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<v Speaker 1>even existed, and Johnson has found guilty. He sentenced to

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<v Speaker 1>one year and one day in federal prison. But while

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<v Speaker 1>he was out on bond pending appeal, Johnson just skipped down,

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<v Speaker 1>very likely disguised as a member of a Negro League

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<v Speaker 1>baseball team. He then fled to Montreal, rendezvous with Lucille,

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<v Speaker 1>and they took off together for Europe, where the reception

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of icy, yeah, especially considering he had been

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<v Speaker 1>quite well received in Europe earlier, but after this bad press,

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<v Speaker 1>after this conviction, people weren't fit friendly to him anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson defended threats to his title abroad, but he soon

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<v Speaker 1>found it impossible to earn a living as a boxer

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a war, so he began looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a bigger payday, and back home, folks were still

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a great white hope, a new one, because

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson was, after all, still the heavyweight champion. Finally, on

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<v Speaker 1>April fifth, nineteen fifteen, Johnson met with Kansas native Jess Willard,

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<v Speaker 1>a six ft six twenty seven year old who had

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<v Speaker 1>killed an opponent once with a punch. Since they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>fight in the US due to Johnson's conviction, they fought

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<v Speaker 1>in nearby Havana, Cuba. So Johnson he by this point

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven years old, maybe not in the best shape anymore,

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>and kind of taking things a little bit too lightly.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't train like his trainers wanted him to. By

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<v Speaker 1>the twentie round of this fight with Jess Willard, which

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<v Speaker 1>is happening in a hundred and five degree heat too,

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Johnson was clearly getting tired, and by the twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>round he asked his cornerman to see that his wife

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<v Speaker 1>got out safely, and I told him I'm probably not

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<v Speaker 1>going to make it much longer. And then finally in

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<v Speaker 1>the round he lost to a knockout punch, another really

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<v Speaker 1>famous freeze frame image of Johnson lying there on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground with his arms thrown up over his head. So

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<v Speaker 1>after losing the title, finally his earning power was just

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 1>completely slashed, and Johnson went back to Europe toured a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more. When the US entered the war, he

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<v Speaker 1>offered to volunteer for U S service in exchange for

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<v Speaker 1>a pardon that didn't happen. He traveled on to Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>and then finally in nineteen twenty, he was ready to

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<v Speaker 1>go home. After seven years on the run, He surrendered

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<v Speaker 1>at the US border and spent a year in leaven

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<v Speaker 1>Worth Prison. It wasn't a horrible prison situation, considering he

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>acted as a trustee, he trained other prisoners. He even

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<v Speaker 1>staged a few exhibition matches while he was there, and

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<v Speaker 1>probably my favorite detail of his prison experience, he listed

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<v Speaker 1>his profession as pugilist chauffeur, which, in case it wasn't

0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:37.120
<v Speaker 1>clear earlier, Johnson really liked fast cars. And driving, so

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<v Speaker 1>that was clearly important to him just right after boxing,

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and Johnson did keep boxing, but the Havana fight really

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<v Speaker 1>was the end of the major part of his career.

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<v Speaker 1>The new batch of heavyweights again wouldn't agree to cross

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>that color line, so there wasn't a black heavyweight champ

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<v Speaker 1>until Joe Lewis in thirty seven, and he was deliberately

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<v Speaker 1>set up by his managers as a clean, living, decent man,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, not a Jack Johnson, And that reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me a little bit of an episode from a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago Katie and I did on Satchel Page,

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 1>where Jackie Robinson was very much set up as an

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<v Speaker 1>alternate to Satchel Page, who had this flamboyant public personality,

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, a real jokester. He would entertain the crowds.

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Jackie Robinson was, you know, somebody who could keep his

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<v Speaker 1>head down and go play Major League baseball. So that

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 1>reminded me a bit of that. But Johnson just did

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>this huge range of activities. In addition to his occasional boxing.

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<v Speaker 1>He ran a Harlem club called Cafe Deluxe, which eventually

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<v Speaker 1>became the Cotton Club. He appeared in Aida. He married

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<v Speaker 1>his third wife. He even preached all sorts of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>going on with him. In the spring of six while

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<v Speaker 1>returning from a tour of Texas, Johnson lost control of

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<v Speaker 1>a speeding sports car near Raleigh and he crashed into

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<v Speaker 1>a telephone pole. So he died at age sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and his record, according to encycloped the Britannica was one

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen bouts, winning eighty forty five of those by knockouts.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was also a type of French artillery shell

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<v Speaker 1>called the Jack John Jack Johnson that was named after him.

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<v Speaker 1>To memoirs he wrote, and of course a Broadway play

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<v Speaker 1>that was based on his life called The Great White Hope.

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<v Speaker 1>It starred James Earl Jones, and apparently Muhammad Ali was

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<v Speaker 1>a repeat viewer of this play. He'd go back and

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<v Speaker 1>really found a lot of comparisons to his own life

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<v Speaker 1>in the way he was sometimes treated. Um. Jack Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>was also an original inductee into the International Boxing Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame in nineteen nine, along with a few other

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<v Speaker 1>names we've mentioned in this podcast. Um, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably only appropriate for a man who, in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to um, you know, being a great fighter, was known

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<v Speaker 1>for some of his fantastic quotes and having the perfect

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<v Speaker 1>response to sometimes difficult situations. Ending the podcast with a

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<v Speaker 1>quote of his own, he apparently told a newspaper reporter,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these newspaper reporters loved covering every aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson's life. Whatever you write about me, just please remember

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm a man and a good one. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that says at all he was. He definitely had

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<v Speaker 1>some unsavory sides to his personality into his life, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was unapologetic for who he was, and he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to live as professional boxers did at the time and

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<v Speaker 1>everything that came with that, which was kind of being

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<v Speaker 1>a bad boy. It seemed um and that didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>fit with the time he was living in. Thanks so

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