Speaker 1: School of Humans. This show follows the investigation of serial
Speaker 1: murders and contains material that may be disturbing. Listener discretion advised.
Speaker 2: It's twenty twelve Krugersdorp, South Africa. Ria Grunewald's prayer group
Speaker 2: Overcomers through Christ were under attack. Someone was sending a message.
Speaker 2: They believed it was Satanists from Cecilia's past. The same
Speaker 2: demons who chronically tortured Cecilia were now out for Rhea.
Speaker 2: Rhea's connection to Cecilia was the only thing protecting OTC,
Speaker 2: and now Ria had severed that connection just.
Speaker 1: Before the murders thought it they was car bombings happening
Speaker 1: to SKA Ria.
Speaker 3: Virtual bombs were used to intimidate people attending of these meetings.
Speaker 2: The bombs were in indeed a message, but not from Satanists.
Speaker 2: In truth, it was Cecilia Stein, the Mastermind, ordering her
Speaker 2: new subjects to carry out these crimes in hopes of
Speaker 2: scaring Rhea in his submission. After being poisoned and receiving
Speaker 2: death threats, Rhea had been doing her best to distance
Speaker 2: herself from Cecilia, who felt deeply betrayed, and the rivalry
Speaker 2: had turned violent. The first two acts of wanting terrorism.
Speaker 2: Both involved car bombs hand made by the members of
Speaker 2: Electus Perdaeus. Here's detective Susette Kenoz she woke.
Speaker 4: Out to her car.
Speaker 1: She smelt petroleum, he said, heavy smell. When they came out,
Speaker 1: they saw that there was all kinds of little packages
Speaker 1: underneath the cause.
Speaker 2: The police were called and the bombs were disarmed. No
Speaker 2: one was hurt this time, but Rhea and her followers
Speaker 2: were all struck with a nameless fear. A few weeks later,
Speaker 2: OTC met again at a new location, the home of
Speaker 2: Pastor Reginald ben Dixon, Rhea's new mentor in faith. Before
Speaker 2: the meeting started, the prayer group encircled the house. They
Speaker 2: joined hands, called in protection against the devil and his demons.
Speaker 2: They created an invisible wall sealing the home to keep
Speaker 2: out all things unholy. But then an hour into the meeting,
Speaker 2: a series of explosions shook the house. When they rushed outside,
Speaker 2: they discovered huge holes where the bombs had exploded against
Speaker 2: the lawn. Rhea's car was smoking and severely damaged. A
Speaker 2: few weeks later, at midnight on the evening of July fifteenth,
Speaker 2: Pastor George nell a spiritual adviser to Rihea's prayer group
Speaker 2: arrived to survey the wreckage of his house of worship.
Speaker 2: The Lighthouse Full Gospel Church that he had led for
Speaker 2: eight years, had been set on fire. As the building smoldered,
Speaker 2: the pastor found a note taped to the wrought iron gate.
Speaker 2: Scrawled in big block letters, It reads, who is going
Speaker 2: to protect you now? Rhea. Rihea had gone to the cops,
Speaker 2: but she was convinced that she was dealing with supernatural
Speaker 2: forces until the bombings in the church fire, she remained
Speaker 2: in the nile that her spiritual daughter Cecilia, the woman
Speaker 2: whom she had once bottle fed back to health and
Speaker 2: cared for for four long years, could ever want to
Speaker 2: do her harm. Rhea couldn't bear to grasp that ugly truth,
Speaker 2: so she didn't.
Speaker 1: The revenge was totally on are. The only think she
Speaker 1: was doing wrong was she might friends with Celia, and
Speaker 1: she protected Celia, and she mighte Celia her best friend,
Speaker 1: and then she deserted Celia and Stela just couldn't take it.
Speaker 4: It's pure revenge. And if you look at the people
Speaker 4: that got murdered, they were all close friends for Ria.
Speaker 2: From School of Humans and iHeart podcasts. This is Queen
Speaker 2: Havoc and Her Murder Cult. I'm your host, Kurt Kubachek,
Speaker 2: Episode two Under Satan's Hammer. When we first arrived in
Speaker 2: South Africa, Jennifer and I quickly learned about a nationwide
Speaker 2: energy management technique called load shedding. That's where the power
Speaker 2: grid is shut down in certain areas at certain times.
Speaker 2: This is meant to lessen the strain on the country's
Speaker 2: electricity system, but it shifts the burd into the people.
Speaker 2: Here's Jermaine Kraher, our South African producer, as we drive
Speaker 2: across Krueger Store from the airport to our hotel.
Speaker 5: How do you does.
Speaker 1: Everyone just have backup batteries?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: No, everyone just sits in the dark. Really, yes, backup
Speaker 5: batteries are incredibly expensive and a lot of people still
Speaker 5: don't have the resources for that. We've sat four or
Speaker 5: five days with our power before. The problem with that
Speaker 5: is our water pumps work on electricity, so after two
Speaker 5: days of no electricity we lose water as well, which
Speaker 5: is a little bit of a nightmare. Hi, how are
Speaker 5: you good?
Speaker 6: Get I'm just dropping up some gays.
Speaker 2: Back at the hotel. We found ourselves without WI Fi.
Speaker 2: Even the backup generator wasn't working. Our first taste of
Speaker 2: load shedding, we were deep in it now, experiencing firsthand
Speaker 2: this darkness that could take over it any more. I
Speaker 2: kept thinking about the members of Electus Perdaeis, the ones
Speaker 2: who sided with Cecilia when Otisi was divided, how dark
Speaker 2: their lives became after making the choice to become the
Speaker 2: lords and ladies of Queen Havoc's bloody court. Not only
Speaker 2: were they carrying out amateur acts of violence against Rhea,
Speaker 2: who had in some respects been a caretaker to them all,
Speaker 2: but the closer they got to Cecilia, the more they
Speaker 2: lost themselves, lost their moral compass, and became her loyal soldiers. Mirinda,
Speaker 2: for example, moved in with Rhea after suffering through a
Speaker 2: tough divorce in twenty eleven. Rhea was there for her
Speaker 2: when Marinda needed her most, but that also meant she
Speaker 2: lived next door to Cecilia. Cecilia's petit with short hair
Speaker 2: sometimes spiked at the top. She wears baggy clothing and
Speaker 2: small gold hoop earrings. She has a silver tongue and
Speaker 2: is mastered in the art of posturing, so that everyone
Speaker 2: wanted to be in her good graces.
Speaker 1: She has the superpower in manipulation. I mean she can
Speaker 1: open a university teaching people manipulation.
Speaker 2: So rather quickly, Marinda grew devoted to her, became desperate
Speaker 2: for Cecilia's approval, and by January of twenty twelve, Mirinda
Speaker 2: Stein had officially taken Ria's place as Cecilia's right hand
Speaker 2: and primary caregiver. The maternal rights that Ria once held
Speaker 2: had been transferred to Mirinda. Here's journalist Jana Marx.
Speaker 7: Marinda ultimately did everything she did to impress Cecilia. She
Speaker 7: just wanted to get her approval, and that included her kids.
Speaker 2: Like Ria and Cecilia, Mirinda was a mother. She worked
Speaker 2: as a high school English teacher and was known to
Speaker 2: be quite intelligent.
Speaker 8: All the people that she has turned to believe in
Speaker 8: her are well learned people. Mirenda's IQ is more than
Speaker 8: one hundred and forty.
Speaker 2: That's Colonel Christelle Boison a strong, almost intimidating presence, A
Speaker 2: seasoned and decorated detective. She's both mentally and physically tough
Speaker 2: and full of insight. She was close to the case
Speaker 2: as well. She told us about Mirinda's transformation, her fall
Speaker 2: to the dark side.
Speaker 8: She was a loving mother, a loving spouse, and when
Speaker 8: she met up with Cecilia, Cecilia started feeding the bedside
Speaker 8: of Mirenda. Marenda even testified in court to say that
Speaker 8: killing a person is the most exciting thing that you
Speaker 8: can ever do in your life.
Speaker 2: What a statement. Mirenda was fully committed to her role
Speaker 2: as the right hand to Secilia, even if that meant
Speaker 2: robbing her children of their innocence. Our resident scholar, doctor
Speaker 2: Niki Falkoff speculates.
Speaker 9: Maybe the very natere of trying to be this kind
Speaker 9: of perfect white Christian mom and wife and teacher is
Speaker 9: part of what made her available to this narrative of
Speaker 9: Satanism that you know you are special and you have
Speaker 9: been chosen. You have been chosen to help fight evil.
Speaker 2: The fear of Satanism, paired with the promise of doing
Speaker 2: God's work, kept Mirinda glued to Secilia.
Speaker 7: She relied on a certain scripture where said the prophet
Speaker 7: Eli was given Samuel to raise, and obviously Eli was
Speaker 7: a prophet, so Marinda thought she will just give her
Speaker 7: children to Cecilia to raise, and she grounded her decision
Speaker 7: on that scripture. So, from a very early age, the
Speaker 7: children and Cecilia's lives were completely integrated.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but when I was ten,
Speaker 2: I was playing basketball in the driveway and video games
Speaker 2: with my neighborhood friends, not building bombs and setting churches
Speaker 2: on fire, not being groomed by my own mother to
Speaker 2: commit brutal acts of violence. Upon Cecilia's orders, Marinda cut
Speaker 2: her kids off from their father, making them believe he
Speaker 2: no longer wanted to see them, and discouraged any social
Speaker 2: interaction outside of their apartment complex, Casana Flats. She made
Speaker 2: sure her kids didn't have any friends of their own,
Speaker 2: no one that might make them second guess their devotion.
Speaker 2: Here is Rosalind McNabb again, child advocate and psychologists.
Speaker 6: They were told your dad does not want to see you.
Speaker 6: Then they were told you will not speak to anyone
Speaker 6: at school because actually Cecilia knows everything about what is
Speaker 6: being spoken about.
Speaker 2: They came to believe that Cecilia was omnipresent. One silver
Speaker 2: lining of being an ex Satanist was that she had
Speaker 2: been granted the power of astral project. She could be
Speaker 2: anywhere at any time, and she could hear everything. Marinda
Speaker 2: treated Cecilia like a prophet one who had survived the
Speaker 2: darkness and had seen the light. And now she was
Speaker 2: ready to impart her holy knowledge for the supposed benefit
Speaker 2: of all. And so did Zach and Michaela Valentine. They
Speaker 2: were also true believers in Cecilia. Her influence was immediately evident.
Speaker 2: When we visited Detective Susette, she showed us pictures of Michaela.
Speaker 1: I mean she was a beautiful woman. In a year time,
Speaker 1: she went from this to this.
Speaker 2: In the first picture, she is bright, youthful. She looks
Speaker 2: happy and grounded. She was just twenty one when she
Speaker 2: met Cecilia, studying to become a pastor. In the second photo,
Speaker 2: Michaela's style seems to have changed drastically. Her face is
Speaker 2: laden with heavy makeup and there's a look in her eye,
Speaker 2: maybe fear, maybe sorrow. Whatever it is, it's dark with
Speaker 2: Kayla's husband, Zach had known Cecilia since they were kids.
Speaker 2: They attended the same church, presumably before Cecilia was lured
Speaker 2: him by Satanists. Now he had a well paying job.
Speaker 2: He was a financial adviser at an insurance company called
Speaker 2: Discovery Life. Six feet tall, Zach kept his head shaved
Speaker 2: clean and had piercing blue eyes, his sly smile looked
Speaker 2: as if he knew something you didn't, and he was
Speaker 2: fiercely loyal to Cecilia. It's important to keep in mind
Speaker 2: that Cecilia still depended on others at all times. She
Speaker 2: kept up the narrative that if she stepped outside a
Speaker 2: certain perimeter around Casana Flats, she would be attacked by Satanists,
Speaker 2: so getting a job was out of the question. Zach's
Speaker 2: salary provided a cushion. Here's Detective Ben Boysen with some
Speaker 2: hard numbers.
Speaker 6: Zach Valentine gave them more than a nine a thousand
Speaker 6: ze monthly.
Speaker 2: The equivalent of nearly six thousand dollars per month. We
Speaker 2: also learned that EPD was as high as they could
Speaker 2: afford to be, using primarily meth and cocaine. While See
Speaker 2: found the drugs, it was the group's funds that paid
Speaker 2: for them. This dynamic worked to deepen the toxic codependency
Speaker 2: that Secilia was fostering among her followers. It also kept
Speaker 2: them numb enough that they were less likely to notice
Speaker 2: that it wasn't just their money that was falling through
Speaker 2: their pockets. Their identities were disappearing too. But according to Secilia.
Speaker 2: Their cash wasn't just for drugs and groceries. It was
Speaker 2: for orphans. Here's psychologist Rosalind McNab.
Speaker 6: Zach Valentine, I'm an intelligent person who bought this story
Speaker 6: that I have this orphanage of all these children whose parents,
Speaker 6: whose mothers are safeness, and we need to save them.
Speaker 6: We need to get all this money and send it
Speaker 6: to these kids.
Speaker 2: There were no pictures, no receipts, no medical bills, no
Speaker 2: phone calls, no proof at all that these orphans actually existed.
Speaker 2: But if Cecilia trusted them, Zach did, and he gave
Speaker 2: his money willingly. Saving children became the primary purpose of
Speaker 2: Electus Perdeas. This mission to save orphans overseas worked beautifully
Speaker 2: to keep morale high among the members. It was a
Speaker 2: holy mission, they could easily understand. It was also how
Speaker 2: Cecilia convinced Electus Perdeas to carry out yet another more
Speaker 2: heinous act of revenge against Ria Grunewald. Just as Rhea
Speaker 2: had refused to believe that Cecilia was capable of such ruthlessness,
Speaker 2: Cecilia refused to believe that Rhea would actually reject her.
Speaker 2: She wanted Mama Ria back and would do anything to
Speaker 2: serve that end.
Speaker 1: Then she kills Ria. Riakon returned to her, so she'll
Speaker 1: rat a go for people close to her eliminate that
Speaker 1: one thing her place will be open again.
Speaker 2: After the car bombs in the church fire, Rhea stopped
Speaker 2: communicating by phone with the other members of Overcomers through Christ.
Speaker 2: They were all receiving persistent death threats via text. Rhea
Speaker 2: believed their communications were somehow being intercepted through word of mouth.
Speaker 2: Rhea passed a message to her followers calling for one
Speaker 2: final meeting. That night, Rhea informed her followers that she
Speaker 2: was dissolving Overcomers through Christ. Ria's unceasing anxiety, he finally
Speaker 2: saw some relief when the police found fingerprints on one
Speaker 2: of the bombs that had been thrown into Pastor Nell's church.
Speaker 2: Turns out they belonged to Marenda's dime. That was enough
Speaker 2: to arrest her and bring her in for questioning, but
Speaker 2: law enforcement became stymied by the potential defense that Marinda
Speaker 2: could have been simply reading the newspaper, thrown it in
Speaker 2: the trash, and then later that same paper was used
Speaker 2: to make the bomb. This was enough for reasonable doubt,
Speaker 2: so Mirinda was let off with the warning.
Speaker 1: They couldn't connect to the crime, so.
Speaker 8: They later go.
Speaker 2: After this event, Rihea finally started coming to terms with
Speaker 2: the fact that Cecilia might actually be the one behind
Speaker 2: the recent wave of violence, so she agreed to work
Speaker 2: with the police. The plan was simple. Rihea would meet
Speaker 2: Cecilia at a coffee shop located just across the street
Speaker 2: from Casana Flats. The police officer would sit clow spy
Speaker 2: and listen in on their conversation. The hope was that
Speaker 2: Cecilia would implicate herself, or at the very least give
Speaker 2: the cops a good lead should anything grave happen to
Speaker 2: Rihea in the future. The day of this sting, the
Speaker 2: officer met Ria at her new apartment. They agreed to
Speaker 2: drive separately. He would walk in first, just to be
Speaker 2: safe and secure a seat with an earshot of Cecilia.
Speaker 2: But when Rhea arrived, all she saw was Cecilia in
Speaker 2: a booth waiting for her. The police officer was nowhere
Speaker 2: to be seen. Rihea couldn't just walk away or Cecilia
Speaker 2: would know something was up, so she sat down across
Speaker 2: the table from her. Cecilia's hatred was palpable, jaw tight, hands,
Speaker 2: clenched eyes obscured under a baseball cap.
Speaker 4: There was no.
Speaker 2: Trace of that helpless, spiritual daughter Riea had once cared for.
Speaker 2: And so begins the persistent tragedy of how the police
Speaker 2: handled the numerous investigations related to otc EPD, Rhea, Cecilia,
Speaker 2: and all the bloodshed to come. Despite everything that went
Speaker 2: woefully wrong in this heroin case, amid all the varying
Speaker 2: versions of these events, almost everyone we spoke to agrees
Speaker 2: is on one thing.
Speaker 3: But first of all, I think if the judicial system
Speaker 3: played the well, many of these metals could have been prevented.
Speaker 4: The sole thing could have been prevented if the police
Speaker 4: did they job.
Speaker 2: Sitting at a booth across from Cecilia's menacing presence, Rhea
Speaker 2: spoke first. She calmly told Cecilia to stay away.
Speaker 1: Cecilia stood up and said, well, if you think the
Speaker 1: car bombings was that bad, people is going to start dying,
Speaker 1: and she walked away.
Speaker 2: Oh, would make good on that promise and without much interference.
Speaker 2: The police had let Ria down twice now and would continue.
Speaker 4: To do so.
Speaker 2: Here is another journalist who covered the coming horrorse Maritzka Kotz.
Speaker 1: I feel that if police actually managed to stop the
Speaker 1: group in twenty twelve, so many people would have still left.
Speaker 6: Today, they could have prevented so many murders.
Speaker 2: And here's Detective Susette with the most difficult truth to bear.
Speaker 1: At least seven people died because of the way the
Speaker 1: police did not do what they were supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Not just the police, this state prosecutor's office as well.
Speaker 2: Soon after meeting Ria at the diner, Cecilia informed her
Speaker 2: flock that she had a vision a woman with blood
Speaker 2: streaming down her face. The woman was Natasha Berger, who
Speaker 2: had taken Cecilia's place as Ria's closest all. The revenge
Speaker 2: plot was about to enter its next phase.
Speaker 1: She told the group God gave these people five things
Speaker 1: to pray about, But what the group and Natasha specifically
Speaker 1: did was she only prayed for four of those five things.
Speaker 1: And because Natasha only prayed for the four death curses
Speaker 1: was put upon over three hundred children and they all died.
Speaker 2: I know it's wild, but the bite method had worked.
Speaker 2: Cecilia now controlled their behavior, information, thoughts, and emotions.
Speaker 1: Any person in their right mind would know if three
Speaker 1: hundred kids ended up dead, it would be news. It
Speaker 1: would be in the world news, never mind just in
Speaker 1: our country. But they actually believed Celia.
Speaker 2: Elia's psychological playground had twisted her follower's sense of truth,
Speaker 2: and now Cecilia's teeth were sunk deep into the hearts
Speaker 2: of Zach, Mirinda, and Mikayla, according to Yana Marx's book,
Speaker 2: In order to focus her follower's hatred and channel it
Speaker 2: at her new enemy, Natasha Berger, Cecilia gathered the group
Speaker 2: in her bedroom. She told them that Natasha was the
Speaker 2: one who was truly standing in direct opposition to the group.
Speaker 2: We have to take Natasha out, Cecilia said. It's blood
Speaker 2: for blood.
Speaker 8: She was telling people the Bible since she was go
Speaker 8: and killed, but actually she was taking revenge.
Speaker 2: LaRue was in charge of preparations for the operation. He
Speaker 2: kised the area and saw that in order to reach
Speaker 2: Natasha's townhouse door, they would have to get past security guards.
Speaker 2: The guards recorded the license plate number on each car
Speaker 2: that entered the complex. Cecilia found a work around. LaRue,
Speaker 2: under the cover of night, would steal a license plate
Speaker 2: off of a random car on the street and place
Speaker 2: it on Zach's car. Simple as that, and on July
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, twenty twelve, it worked. Zach, Mikayla, and Marcel,
Speaker 2: who was an angsty tween at this point, got past
Speaker 2: the guards. When they got to Natasha Burger's home. They
Speaker 2: sent Marcel, the most innocent looking one, to the front door.
Speaker 2: Zach and Michaela waited in the car. Up her sleeve,
Speaker 2: Marcel had a surprise, a taser. She anxiously knocked at
Speaker 2: the door, ready to immobilize Natasha. Then Zach and Michaela
Speaker 2: would swoop in and finish her off, but when Natasha
Speaker 2: opened the door, there was an additional security gate between them,
Speaker 2: so the clever Marcel improvised.
Speaker 1: She said hook at passed in a garden in one
Speaker 1: of the cheese and she wanted to walk through Natasha's flat,
Speaker 1: and Natasha just said no.
Speaker 2: But Marcel was persistent, and Natasha reluctantly agreed not to
Speaker 2: let Marcel in, but rather to go look for the
Speaker 2: cat herself. Natasha quickly disappeared in the back garden. After
Speaker 2: a few minutes, she returned to the front door and
Speaker 2: broke the news no cat. Then she politely shewed the
Speaker 2: young killer away and embarrassed Marcel tromped back to the
Speaker 2: car and delivered the bad news. Electus Perdeas continued to
Speaker 2: survey on Natasha for a few more days until they
Speaker 2: discovered a weak spot. On the afternoon of July twenty sixth,
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, Zach and Mikayla Valentine approach Natasha Berger's housing
Speaker 2: complex for the second time, this time wearing wigs and
Speaker 2: carrying gift bags with colorful tissue peeking out, all part
Speaker 2: of their new ruse. Because of that weak spot they
Speaker 2: had discovered.
Speaker 1: Natasha left her little puppy in daytime when she went
Speaker 1: to work with one of the neighbors.
Speaker 2: Natasha's neighbor is a sweet, older woman named Joy Burnside.
Speaker 2: Natasha's poodle, Bubbles, starts barking as soon as Mikayla and
Speaker 2: Zach walk up to Joy's townhouse. The knocking only makes
Speaker 2: the dog bark more, but then the door opens. Joy
Speaker 2: greets them warmly. Bubbles eagerly wags her tail. Mikayla smiles
Speaker 2: back at Joy and says hello. Then she points to
Speaker 2: the gift bag in her hands and excitedly explains that
Speaker 2: they've traveled all the way from Kruger's door to surprise
Speaker 2: Natasha for her birthday. Mikayla asks Joy if she'll let
Speaker 2: them in so they can wait inside until their friend
Speaker 2: gets home. The elderly neighbor is hesitant at first, but
Speaker 2: then succumbs to the charms of their thoughtfulness. She welcomes
Speaker 2: the married couple into her home. Just a warning here.
Speaker 2: The violence that comes next is quite disturbing. The moment
Speaker 2: her back is turned, Zack pulls out a knife. He
Speaker 2: says he won't hurt her as long as she cooperates.
Speaker 2: Joy is frozen in fear. He demands to write a
Speaker 2: note to Natasha. Joy trembling, finds a pen and paper
Speaker 2: and scribbles a message, Natasha, please come see me urgently,
Speaker 2: Auntie Jay. Zach orders Mikayla to go put it on
Speaker 2: Natasha's door. When she returns, Zach winks at his wife
Speaker 2: and says, she's all yours love. Cecilia had specifically requested
Speaker 2: that Mikayla kill Joy to practice a test of Michaela's loyalty,
Speaker 2: but when Michaela looks at Joy, the frightened old woman,
Speaker 2: she doesn't have the heart. I can't, She screams and
Speaker 2: flees from the old woman's house. Zach is shocked and disappointed.
Speaker 4: In his wife.
Speaker 2: He fears Cecilia's reaction and potential for a severe punishment.
Speaker 2: Joy tries to capitalize on Zach's momentary distraction. She makes
Speaker 2: a play for the door, but Zack is too fast
Speaker 2: for her. At six feet tall, he towers over the
Speaker 2: cowering woman. Zack has no mercy. He stabs her in
Speaker 2: the neck six times, then, as if overcome, he hits
Speaker 2: her with a hammer ten times, and after that, in
Speaker 2: his blind rage, he slits her throat. Blood splatters across
Speaker 2: the room, covering everything the walls, floors, and bedding. Somehow,
Speaker 2: Joy isn't dead, but Zach leaves the room to place
Speaker 2: a barking bubbles in the cupboard. While he's gone, Joy
Speaker 2: crawls to her phone. She manages to dial for help.
Speaker 2: Unable to speak, though, she lets the phone fall to
Speaker 2: the floor. Then she drags herself towards the front door.
Speaker 2: Perhaps her dead body can become a warning to Natasha.
Speaker 2: Joy's last breaths escape her lungs there on the living
Speaker 2: room floor. Zach returns from stashing the puppy. He sits
Speaker 2: down in the living room and stares at Joy Burnside's
Speaker 2: body waiting for Natasha to arrive. He doesn't have to
Speaker 2: wait long. Immediately, Zack grabs Natasha and pulls her into
Speaker 2: the apartment. She puts up a brave fight. She screams
Speaker 2: and thrashes against him, right up until the hammer comes out,
Speaker 2: followed by the knives. Zach attacks Natasha with the very
Speaker 2: same tools and in the same excessively violent manner as
Speaker 2: he did Joy. Natasha dies suddenly, eyes still open. She
Speaker 2: lies on the floor, staring forward, mere feet away from
Speaker 2: her sweet old neighbor. Their blood now mixed together on
Speaker 2: the blades, their hair smashed on the head of the hammer,
Speaker 2: their bodies in a heap, crushed in Natasha's fist is
Speaker 2: anti Joy's note. Outside in the car, the Kayla hyperventilates,
Speaker 2: deeply disturbed by what she had just been. A part
Speaker 2: of the horror of it all was setting in. They
Speaker 2: had crossed the line.
Speaker 1: So Natasha died because of revenge and the neighbor. It's
Speaker 1: very insensitive to Side that the words were she was
Speaker 1: only collateral damage.
Speaker 2: But one of Joy Burnside's neighbors had heard Joy fighting
Speaker 2: for her life. When she peered out the window, she
Speaker 2: spied Michaela frantically escaping the house, racing back to the car.
Speaker 2: This neighbor would become a key witness, and Epd's newfound
Speaker 2: taste for blood would turn to a lust for more.
Speaker 9: If you've harmed one person who's close to you, it
Speaker 9: becomes easier to do it again. The first time it's
Speaker 9: a shock, the fifth time, it's becoming normal. The tenth
Speaker 9: time it's unremarked.
Speaker 2: On the next episode of Queen Havoc.
Speaker 3: It was one of the most gruesome murders which I've
Speaker 3: seen in the thirty four years. In the reservice.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of blood and the blood just
Speaker 1: went Missy, we can call off.
Speaker 5: The search body, Curtis, There's been murders and it's Gold related.
Speaker 2: It's in Krugerdosdorp area, connected to overcomers in.
Speaker 4: That's when I mate Secin Nestin for the first time.
Speaker 2: Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult is a production of
Speaker 2: Schooly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and
Speaker 2: created by me Kurt Kupachick, produced and written by Jennifer Takini,
Speaker 2: Julia Chriskau and Kurt Kupachick. Lead producer is Julia Chriskau.
Speaker 2: Story editor is Saren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock.
Speaker 2: Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell, editing,
Speaker 2: sound design and scoring by Jesse Niswanger. Associate producers are
Speaker 2: DaShan Moodley and Jamaine Kriher. Additional producing by Ben Melman,
Speaker 2: fact checking by Dennis Webster. Recording engineers are Graham Gibson,
Speaker 2: Clay Hillenberg and Josh Hook. Executive producers are Virginia Rescott,
Speaker 2: LC Crowley, Brandon Barr, Jennifer Takini and Kurt Kubachak. We
Speaker 2: want to thank all of those who so generously welcomed
Speaker 2: us in South Africa and shared their stories. We're incredibly
Speaker 2: grateful to you all. We also want to acknowledge how
Speaker 2: traumatic these events are for the victims and their families.
Speaker 2: Please respect their privacy. If you or someone you know
Speaker 2: has been affected by COULD behaviors, there are resources available,
Speaker 2: including voices for Dignity at Christine Murray dot com