WEBVTT - Episode 2: Under Satan's Hammer

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. This show follows the investigation of serial

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<v Speaker 1>murders and contains material that may be disturbing. Listener discretion advised.

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<v Speaker 2>It's twenty twelve Krugersdorp, South Africa. Ria Grunewald's prayer group

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<v Speaker 2>Overcomers through Christ were under attack. Someone was sending a message.

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<v Speaker 2>They believed it was Satanists from Cecilia's past. The same

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<v Speaker 2>demons who chronically tortured Cecilia were now out for Rhea.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhea's connection to Cecilia was the only thing protecting OTC,

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<v Speaker 2>and now Ria had severed that connection just.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the murders thought it they was car bombings happening

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<v Speaker 1>to SKA Ria.

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<v Speaker 3>Virtual bombs were used to intimidate people attending of these meetings.

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<v Speaker 2>The bombs were in indeed a message, but not from Satanists.

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<v Speaker 2>In truth, it was Cecilia Stein, the Mastermind, ordering her

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<v Speaker 2>new subjects to carry out these crimes in hopes of

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<v Speaker 2>scaring Rhea in his submission. After being poisoned and receiving

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<v Speaker 2>death threats, Rhea had been doing her best to distance

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<v Speaker 2>herself from Cecilia, who felt deeply betrayed, and the rivalry

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<v Speaker 2>had turned violent. The first two acts of wanting terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>Both involved car bombs hand made by the members of

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<v Speaker 2>Electus Perdaeus. Here's detective Susette Kenoz she woke.

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<v Speaker 4>Out to her car.

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<v Speaker 1>She smelt petroleum, he said, heavy smell. When they came out,

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<v Speaker 1>they saw that there was all kinds of little packages

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<v Speaker 1>underneath the cause.

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<v Speaker 2>The police were called and the bombs were disarmed. No

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<v Speaker 2>one was hurt this time, but Rhea and her followers

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<v Speaker 2>were all struck with a nameless fear. A few weeks later,

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<v Speaker 2>OTC met again at a new location, the home of

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor Reginald ben Dixon, Rhea's new mentor in faith. Before

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<v Speaker 2>the meeting started, the prayer group encircled the house. They

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<v Speaker 2>joined hands, called in protection against the devil and his demons.

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<v Speaker 2>They created an invisible wall sealing the home to keep

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<v Speaker 2>out all things unholy. But then an hour into the meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>a series of explosions shook the house. When they rushed outside,

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<v Speaker 2>they discovered huge holes where the bombs had exploded against

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<v Speaker 2>the lawn. Rhea's car was smoking and severely damaged. A

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks later, at midnight on the evening of July fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor George nell a spiritual adviser to Rihea's prayer group

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<v Speaker 2>arrived to survey the wreckage of his house of worship.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lighthouse Full Gospel Church that he had led for

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<v Speaker 2>eight years, had been set on fire. As the building smoldered,

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<v Speaker 2>the pastor found a note taped to the wrought iron gate.

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<v Speaker 2>Scrawled in big block letters, It reads, who is going

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<v Speaker 2>to protect you now? Rhea. Rihea had gone to the cops,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was convinced that she was dealing with supernatural

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<v Speaker 2>forces until the bombings in the church fire, she remained

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<v Speaker 2>in the nile that her spiritual daughter Cecilia, the woman

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<v Speaker 2>whom she had once bottle fed back to health and

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<v Speaker 2>cared for for four long years, could ever want to

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<v Speaker 2>do her harm. Rhea couldn't bear to grasp that ugly truth,

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<v Speaker 2>so she didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>The revenge was totally on are. The only think she

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<v Speaker 1>was doing wrong was she might friends with Celia, and

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<v Speaker 1>she protected Celia, and she mighte Celia her best friend,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she deserted Celia and Stela just couldn't take it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's pure revenge. And if you look at the people

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<v Speaker 4>that got murdered, they were all close friends for Ria.

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<v Speaker 2>From School of Humans and iHeart podcasts. This is Queen

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<v Speaker 2>Havoc and Her Murder Cult. I'm your host, Kurt Kubachek,

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<v Speaker 2>Episode two Under Satan's Hammer. When we first arrived in

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa, Jennifer and I quickly learned about a nationwide

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<v Speaker 2>energy management technique called load shedding. That's where the power

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<v Speaker 2>grid is shut down in certain areas at certain times.

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<v Speaker 2>This is meant to lessen the strain on the country's

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<v Speaker 2>electricity system, but it shifts the burd into the people.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Jermaine Kraher, our South African producer, as we drive

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<v Speaker 2>across Krueger Store from the airport to our hotel.

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<v Speaker 5>How do you does.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone just have backup batteries?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>No, everyone just sits in the dark. Really, yes, backup

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<v Speaker 5>batteries are incredibly expensive and a lot of people still

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<v Speaker 5>don't have the resources for that. We've sat four or

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<v Speaker 5>five days with our power before. The problem with that

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<v Speaker 5>is our water pumps work on electricity, so after two

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<v Speaker 5>days of no electricity we lose water as well, which

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<v Speaker 5>is a little bit of a nightmare. Hi, how are

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<v Speaker 5>you good?

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<v Speaker 6>Get I'm just dropping up some gays.

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<v Speaker 2>Back at the hotel. We found ourselves without WI Fi.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the backup generator wasn't working. Our first taste of

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<v Speaker 2>load shedding, we were deep in it now, experiencing firsthand

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<v Speaker 2>this darkness that could take over it any more. I

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<v Speaker 2>kept thinking about the members of Electus Perdaeis, the ones

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<v Speaker 2>who sided with Cecilia when Otisi was divided, how dark

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<v Speaker 2>their lives became after making the choice to become the

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<v Speaker 2>lords and ladies of Queen Havoc's bloody court. Not only

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<v Speaker 2>were they carrying out amateur acts of violence against Rhea,

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<v Speaker 2>who had in some respects been a caretaker to them all,

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<v Speaker 2>but the closer they got to Cecilia, the more they

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<v Speaker 2>lost themselves, lost their moral compass, and became her loyal soldiers. Mirinda,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, moved in with Rhea after suffering through a

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<v Speaker 2>tough divorce in twenty eleven. Rhea was there for her

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<v Speaker 2>when Marinda needed her most, but that also meant she

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<v Speaker 2>lived next door to Cecilia. Cecilia's petit with short hair

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes spiked at the top. She wears baggy clothing and

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<v Speaker 2>small gold hoop earrings. She has a silver tongue and

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<v Speaker 2>is mastered in the art of posturing, so that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be in her good graces.

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<v Speaker 1>She has the superpower in manipulation. I mean she can

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<v Speaker 1>open a university teaching people manipulation.

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<v Speaker 2>So rather quickly, Marinda grew devoted to her, became desperate

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<v Speaker 2>for Cecilia's approval, and by January of twenty twelve, Mirinda

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<v Speaker 2>Stein had officially taken Ria's place as Cecilia's right hand

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<v Speaker 2>and primary caregiver. The maternal rights that Ria once held

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<v Speaker 2>had been transferred to Mirinda. Here's journalist Jana Marx.

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<v Speaker 7>Marinda ultimately did everything she did to impress Cecilia. She

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<v Speaker 7>just wanted to get her approval, and that included her kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Ria and Cecilia, Mirinda was a mother. She worked

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<v Speaker 2>as a high school English teacher and was known to

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<v Speaker 2>be quite intelligent.

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<v Speaker 8>All the people that she has turned to believe in

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<v Speaker 8>her are well learned people. Mirenda's IQ is more than

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<v Speaker 8>one hundred and forty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Colonel Christelle Boison a strong, almost intimidating presence, A

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<v Speaker 2>seasoned and decorated detective. She's both mentally and physically tough

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<v Speaker 2>and full of insight. She was close to the case

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<v Speaker 2>as well. She told us about Mirinda's transformation, her fall

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<v Speaker 2>to the dark side.

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<v Speaker 8>She was a loving mother, a loving spouse, and when

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<v Speaker 8>she met up with Cecilia, Cecilia started feeding the bedside

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<v Speaker 8>of Mirenda. Marenda even testified in court to say that

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<v Speaker 8>killing a person is the most exciting thing that you

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<v Speaker 8>can ever do in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>What a statement. Mirenda was fully committed to her role

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<v Speaker 2>as the right hand to Secilia, even if that meant

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<v Speaker 2>robbing her children of their innocence. Our resident scholar, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Niki Falkoff speculates.

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<v Speaker 9>Maybe the very natere of trying to be this kind

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<v Speaker 9>of perfect white Christian mom and wife and teacher is

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<v Speaker 9>part of what made her available to this narrative of

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<v Speaker 9>Satanism that you know you are special and you have

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<v Speaker 9>been chosen. You have been chosen to help fight evil.

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<v Speaker 2>The fear of Satanism, paired with the promise of doing

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<v Speaker 2>God's work, kept Mirinda glued to Secilia.

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<v Speaker 7>She relied on a certain scripture where said the prophet

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<v Speaker 7>Eli was given Samuel to raise, and obviously Eli was

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<v Speaker 7>a prophet, so Marinda thought she will just give her

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<v Speaker 7>children to Cecilia to raise, and she grounded her decision

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<v Speaker 7>on that scripture. So, from a very early age, the

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<v Speaker 7>children and Cecilia's lives were completely integrated.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about you, but when I was ten,

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<v Speaker 2>I was playing basketball in the driveway and video games

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<v Speaker 2>with my neighborhood friends, not building bombs and setting churches

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<v Speaker 2>on fire, not being groomed by my own mother to

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<v Speaker 2>commit brutal acts of violence. Upon Cecilia's orders, Marinda cut

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<v Speaker 2>her kids off from their father, making them believe he

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<v Speaker 2>no longer wanted to see them, and discouraged any social

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<v Speaker 2>interaction outside of their apartment complex, Casana Flats. She made

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<v Speaker 2>sure her kids didn't have any friends of their own,

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<v Speaker 2>no one that might make them second guess their devotion.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is Rosalind McNabb again, child advocate and psychologists.

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<v Speaker 6>They were told your dad does not want to see you.

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<v Speaker 6>Then they were told you will not speak to anyone

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<v Speaker 6>at school because actually Cecilia knows everything about what is

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<v Speaker 6>being spoken about.

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<v Speaker 2>They came to believe that Cecilia was omnipresent. One silver

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<v Speaker 2>lining of being an ex Satanist was that she had

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<v Speaker 2>been granted the power of astral project. She could be

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere at any time, and she could hear everything. Marinda

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<v Speaker 2>treated Cecilia like a prophet one who had survived the

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<v Speaker 2>darkness and had seen the light. And now she was

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<v Speaker 2>ready to impart her holy knowledge for the supposed benefit

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<v Speaker 2>of all. And so did Zach and Michaela Valentine. They

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<v Speaker 2>were also true believers in Cecilia. Her influence was immediately evident.

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<v Speaker 2>When we visited Detective Susette, she showed us pictures of Michaela.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean she was a beautiful woman. In a year time,

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<v Speaker 1>she went from this to this.

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<v Speaker 2>In the first picture, she is bright, youthful. She looks

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<v Speaker 2>happy and grounded. She was just twenty one when she

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<v Speaker 2>met Cecilia, studying to become a pastor. In the second photo,

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<v Speaker 2>Michaela's style seems to have changed drastically. Her face is

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<v Speaker 2>laden with heavy makeup and there's a look in her eye,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe fear, maybe sorrow. Whatever it is, it's dark with

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<v Speaker 2>Kayla's husband, Zach had known Cecilia since they were kids.

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<v Speaker 2>They attended the same church, presumably before Cecilia was lured

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<v Speaker 2>him by Satanists. Now he had a well paying job.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a financial adviser at an insurance company called

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<v Speaker 2>Discovery Life. Six feet tall, Zach kept his head shaved

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<v Speaker 2>clean and had piercing blue eyes, his sly smile looked

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<v Speaker 2>as if he knew something you didn't, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>fiercely loyal to Cecilia. It's important to keep in mind

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<v Speaker 2>that Cecilia still depended on others at all times. She

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<v Speaker 2>kept up the narrative that if she stepped outside a

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<v Speaker 2>certain perimeter around Casana Flats, she would be attacked by Satanists,

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<v Speaker 2>so getting a job was out of the question. Zach's

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<v Speaker 2>salary provided a cushion. Here's Detective Ben Boysen with some

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<v Speaker 2>hard numbers.

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<v Speaker 6>Zach Valentine gave them more than a nine a thousand

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<v Speaker 6>ze monthly.

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<v Speaker 2>The equivalent of nearly six thousand dollars per month. We

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<v Speaker 2>also learned that EPD was as high as they could

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<v Speaker 2>afford to be, using primarily meth and cocaine. While See

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<v Speaker 2>found the drugs, it was the group's funds that paid

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<v Speaker 2>for them. This dynamic worked to deepen the toxic codependency

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<v Speaker 2>that Secilia was fostering among her followers. It also kept

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<v Speaker 2>them numb enough that they were less likely to notice

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<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't just their money that was falling through

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<v Speaker 2>their pockets. Their identities were disappearing too. But according to Secilia.

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<v Speaker 2>Their cash wasn't just for drugs and groceries. It was

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<v Speaker 2>for orphans. Here's psychologist Rosalind McNab.

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<v Speaker 6>Zach Valentine, I'm an intelligent person who bought this story

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<v Speaker 6>that I have this orphanage of all these children whose parents,

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<v Speaker 6>whose mothers are safeness, and we need to save them.

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<v Speaker 6>We need to get all this money and send it

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<v Speaker 6>to these kids.

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<v Speaker 2>There were no pictures, no receipts, no medical bills, no

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls, no proof at all that these orphans actually existed.

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<v Speaker 2>But if Cecilia trusted them, Zach did, and he gave

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<v Speaker 2>his money willingly. Saving children became the primary purpose of

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<v Speaker 2>Electus Perdeas. This mission to save orphans overseas worked beautifully

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<v Speaker 2>to keep morale high among the members. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>holy mission, they could easily understand. It was also how

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<v Speaker 2>Cecilia convinced Electus Perdeas to carry out yet another more

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<v Speaker 2>heinous act of revenge against Ria Grunewald. Just as Rhea

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<v Speaker 2>had refused to believe that Cecilia was capable of such ruthlessness,

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<v Speaker 2>Cecilia refused to believe that Rhea would actually reject her.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanted Mama Ria back and would do anything to

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<v Speaker 2>serve that end.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she kills Ria. Riakon returned to her, so she'll

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<v Speaker 1>rat a go for people close to her eliminate that

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<v Speaker 1>one thing her place will be open again.

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<v Speaker 2>After the car bombs in the church fire, Rhea stopped

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<v Speaker 2>communicating by phone with the other members of Overcomers through Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>They were all receiving persistent death threats via text. Rhea

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<v Speaker 2>believed their communications were somehow being intercepted through word of mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhea passed a message to her followers calling for one

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<v Speaker 2>final meeting. That night, Rhea informed her followers that she

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<v Speaker 2>was dissolving Overcomers through Christ. Ria's unceasing anxiety, he finally

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<v Speaker 2>saw some relief when the police found fingerprints on one

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<v Speaker 2>of the bombs that had been thrown into Pastor Nell's church.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out they belonged to Marenda's dime. That was enough

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<v Speaker 2>to arrest her and bring her in for questioning, but

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement became stymied by the potential defense that Marinda

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<v Speaker 2>could have been simply reading the newspaper, thrown it in

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<v Speaker 2>the trash, and then later that same paper was used

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<v Speaker 2>to make the bomb. This was enough for reasonable doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>so Mirinda was let off with the warning.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't connect to the crime, so.

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<v Speaker 8>They later go.

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<v Speaker 2>After this event, Rihea finally started coming to terms with

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Cecilia might actually be the one behind

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<v Speaker 2>the recent wave of violence, so she agreed to work

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<v Speaker 2>with the police. The plan was simple. Rihea would meet

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<v Speaker 2>Cecilia at a coffee shop located just across the street

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<v Speaker 2>from Casana Flats. The police officer would sit clow spy

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<v Speaker 2>and listen in on their conversation. The hope was that

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<v Speaker 2>Cecilia would implicate herself, or at the very least give

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<v Speaker 2>the cops a good lead should anything grave happen to

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<v Speaker 2>Rihea in the future. The day of this sting, the

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<v Speaker 2>officer met Ria at her new apartment. They agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>drive separately. He would walk in first, just to be

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<v Speaker 2>safe and secure a seat with an earshot of Cecilia.

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<v Speaker 2>But when Rhea arrived, all she saw was Cecilia in

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<v Speaker 2>a booth waiting for her. The police officer was nowhere

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<v Speaker 2>to be seen. Rihea couldn't just walk away or Cecilia

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<v Speaker 2>would know something was up, so she sat down across

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<v Speaker 2>the table from her. Cecilia's hatred was palpable, jaw tight, hands,

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<v Speaker 2>clenched eyes obscured under a baseball cap.

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<v Speaker 4>There was no.

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<v Speaker 2>Trace of that helpless, spiritual daughter Riea had once cared for.

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<v Speaker 2>And so begins the persistent tragedy of how the police

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<v Speaker 2>handled the numerous investigations related to otc EPD, Rhea, Cecilia,

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<v Speaker 2>and all the bloodshed to come. Despite everything that went

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<v Speaker 2>woefully wrong in this heroin case, amid all the varying

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<v Speaker 2>versions of these events, almost everyone we spoke to agrees

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<v Speaker 2>is on one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But first of all, I think if the judicial system

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<v Speaker 3>played the well, many of these metals could have been prevented.

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<v Speaker 4>The sole thing could have been prevented if the police

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<v Speaker 4>did they job.

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<v Speaker 2>Sitting at a booth across from Cecilia's menacing presence, Rhea

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<v Speaker 2>spoke first. She calmly told Cecilia to stay away.

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<v Speaker 1>Cecilia stood up and said, well, if you think the

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<v Speaker 1>car bombings was that bad, people is going to start dying,

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<v Speaker 1>and she walked away.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, would make good on that promise and without much interference.

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<v Speaker 2>The police had let Ria down twice now and would continue.

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<v Speaker 4>To do so.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is another journalist who covered the coming horrorse Maritzka Kotz.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that if police actually managed to stop the

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<v Speaker 1>group in twenty twelve, so many people would have still left.

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<v Speaker 6>Today, they could have prevented so many murders.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's Detective Susette with the most difficult truth to bear.

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<v Speaker 1>At least seven people died because of the way the

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<v Speaker 1>police did not do what they were supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Not just the police, this state prosecutor's office as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon after meeting Ria at the diner, Cecilia informed her

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<v Speaker 2>flock that she had a vision a woman with blood

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<v Speaker 2>streaming down her face. The woman was Natasha Berger, who

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<v Speaker 2>had taken Cecilia's place as Ria's closest all. The revenge

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<v Speaker 2>plot was about to enter its next phase.

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<v Speaker 1>She told the group God gave these people five things

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<v Speaker 1>to pray about, But what the group and Natasha specifically

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<v Speaker 1>did was she only prayed for four of those five things.

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<v Speaker 1>And because Natasha only prayed for the four death curses

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<v Speaker 1>was put upon over three hundred children and they all died.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's wild, but the bite method had worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Cecilia now controlled their behavior, information, thoughts, and emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>Any person in their right mind would know if three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred kids ended up dead, it would be news. It

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<v Speaker 1>would be in the world news, never mind just in

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<v Speaker 1>our country. But they actually believed Celia.

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<v Speaker 2>Elia's psychological playground had twisted her follower's sense of truth,

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<v Speaker 2>and now Cecilia's teeth were sunk deep into the hearts

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<v Speaker 2>of Zach, Mirinda, and Mikayla, according to Yana Marx's book,

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<v Speaker 2>In order to focus her follower's hatred and channel it

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<v Speaker 2>at her new enemy, Natasha Berger, Cecilia gathered the group

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<v Speaker 2>in her bedroom. She told them that Natasha was the

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<v Speaker 2>one who was truly standing in direct opposition to the group.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to take Natasha out, Cecilia said. It's blood

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<v Speaker 2>for blood.

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<v Speaker 8>She was telling people the Bible since she was go

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<v Speaker 8>and killed, but actually she was taking revenge.

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<v Speaker 2>LaRue was in charge of preparations for the operation. He

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<v Speaker 2>kised the area and saw that in order to reach

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<v Speaker 2>Natasha's townhouse door, they would have to get past security guards.

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<v Speaker 2>The guards recorded the license plate number on each car

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<v Speaker 2>that entered the complex. Cecilia found a work around. LaRue,

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<v Speaker 2>under the cover of night, would steal a license plate

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<v Speaker 2>off of a random car on the street and place

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<v Speaker 2>it on Zach's car. Simple as that, and on July

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourth, twenty twelve, it worked. Zach, Mikayla, and Marcel,

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<v Speaker 2>who was an angsty tween at this point, got past

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<v Speaker 2>the guards. When they got to Natasha Burger's home. They

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<v Speaker 2>sent Marcel, the most innocent looking one, to the front door.

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<v Speaker 2>Zach and Michaela waited in the car. Up her sleeve,

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<v Speaker 2>Marcel had a surprise, a taser. She anxiously knocked at

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<v Speaker 2>the door, ready to immobilize Natasha. Then Zach and Michaela

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<v Speaker 2>would swoop in and finish her off, but when Natasha

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<v Speaker 2>opened the door, there was an additional security gate between them,

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<v Speaker 2>so the clever Marcel improvised.

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<v Speaker 1>She said hook at passed in a garden in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the cheese and she wanted to walk through Natasha's flat,

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<v Speaker 1>and Natasha just said no.

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<v Speaker 2>But Marcel was persistent, and Natasha reluctantly agreed not to

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<v Speaker 2>let Marcel in, but rather to go look for the

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<v Speaker 2>cat herself. Natasha quickly disappeared in the back garden. After

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes, she returned to the front door and

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<v Speaker 2>broke the news no cat. Then she politely shewed the

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<v Speaker 2>young killer away and embarrassed Marcel tromped back to the

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<v Speaker 2>car and delivered the bad news. Electus Perdeas continued to

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<v Speaker 2>survey on Natasha for a few more days until they

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<v Speaker 2>discovered a weak spot. On the afternoon of July twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, Zach and Mikayla Valentine approach Natasha Berger's housing

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<v Speaker 2>complex for the second time, this time wearing wigs and

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<v Speaker 2>carrying gift bags with colorful tissue peeking out, all part

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<v Speaker 2>of their new ruse. Because of that weak spot they

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<v Speaker 2>had discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>Natasha left her little puppy in daytime when she went

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<v Speaker 1>to work with one of the neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>Natasha's neighbor is a sweet, older woman named Joy Burnside.

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<v Speaker 2>Natasha's poodle, Bubbles, starts barking as soon as Mikayla and

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<v Speaker 2>Zach walk up to Joy's townhouse. The knocking only makes

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<v Speaker 2>the dog bark more, but then the door opens. Joy

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<v Speaker 2>greets them warmly. Bubbles eagerly wags her tail. Mikayla smiles

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<v Speaker 2>back at Joy and says hello. Then she points to

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<v Speaker 2>the gift bag in her hands and excitedly explains that

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<v Speaker 2>they've traveled all the way from Kruger's door to surprise

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<v Speaker 2>Natasha for her birthday. Mikayla asks Joy if she'll let

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<v Speaker 2>them in so they can wait inside until their friend

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<v Speaker 2>gets home. The elderly neighbor is hesitant at first, but

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<v Speaker 2>then succumbs to the charms of their thoughtfulness. She welcomes

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<v Speaker 2>the married couple into her home. Just a warning here.

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<v Speaker 2>The violence that comes next is quite disturbing. The moment

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<v Speaker 2>her back is turned, Zack pulls out a knife. He

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<v Speaker 2>says he won't hurt her as long as she cooperates.

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<v Speaker 2>Joy is frozen in fear. He demands to write a

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<v Speaker 2>note to Natasha. Joy trembling, finds a pen and paper

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<v Speaker 2>and scribbles a message, Natasha, please come see me urgently,

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<v Speaker 2>Auntie Jay. Zach orders Mikayla to go put it on

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<v Speaker 2>Natasha's door. When she returns, Zach winks at his wife

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<v Speaker 2>and says, she's all yours love. Cecilia had specifically requested

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<v Speaker 2>that Mikayla kill Joy to practice a test of Michaela's loyalty,

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<v Speaker 2>but when Michaela looks at Joy, the frightened old woman,

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't have the heart. I can't, She screams and

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<v Speaker 2>flees from the old woman's house. Zach is shocked and disappointed.

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<v Speaker 4>In his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>He fears Cecilia's reaction and potential for a severe punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>Joy tries to capitalize on Zach's momentary distraction. She makes

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<v Speaker 2>a play for the door, but Zack is too fast

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<v Speaker 2>for her. At six feet tall, he towers over the

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<v Speaker 2>cowering woman. Zack has no mercy. He stabs her in

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<v Speaker 2>the neck six times, then, as if overcome, he hits

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<v Speaker 2>her with a hammer ten times, and after that, in

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<v Speaker 2>his blind rage, he slits her throat. Blood splatters across

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<v Speaker 2>the room, covering everything the walls, floors, and bedding. Somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>Joy isn't dead, but Zach leaves the room to place

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<v Speaker 2>a barking bubbles in the cupboard. While he's gone, Joy

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<v Speaker 2>crawls to her phone. She manages to dial for help.

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<v Speaker 2>Unable to speak, though, she lets the phone fall to

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<v Speaker 2>the floor. Then she drags herself towards the front door.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps her dead body can become a warning to Natasha.

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<v Speaker 2>Joy's last breaths escape her lungs there on the living

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<v Speaker 2>room floor. Zach returns from stashing the puppy. He sits

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<v Speaker 2>down in the living room and stares at Joy Burnside's

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<v Speaker 2>body waiting for Natasha to arrive. He doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>wait long. Immediately, Zack grabs Natasha and pulls her into

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<v Speaker 2>the apartment. She puts up a brave fight. She screams

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<v Speaker 2>and thrashes against him, right up until the hammer comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>followed by the knives. Zach attacks Natasha with the very

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<v Speaker 2>same tools and in the same excessively violent manner as

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<v Speaker 2>he did Joy. Natasha dies suddenly, eyes still open. She

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<v Speaker 2>lies on the floor, staring forward, mere feet away from

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<v Speaker 2>her sweet old neighbor. Their blood now mixed together on

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<v Speaker 2>the blades, their hair smashed on the head of the hammer,

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<v Speaker 2>their bodies in a heap, crushed in Natasha's fist is

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<v Speaker 2>anti Joy's note. Outside in the car, the Kayla hyperventilates,

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<v Speaker 2>deeply disturbed by what she had just been. A part

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<v Speaker 2>of the horror of it all was setting in. They

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<v Speaker 2>had crossed the line.

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<v Speaker 1>So Natasha died because of revenge and the neighbor. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very insensitive to Side that the words were she was

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<v Speaker 1>only collateral damage.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of Joy Burnside's neighbors had heard Joy fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for her life. When she peered out the window, she

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<v Speaker 2>spied Michaela frantically escaping the house, racing back to the car.

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<v Speaker 2>This neighbor would become a key witness, and Epd's newfound

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<v Speaker 2>taste for blood would turn to a lust for more.

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<v Speaker 9>If you've harmed one person who's close to you, it

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<v Speaker 9>becomes easier to do it again. The first time it's

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<v Speaker 9>a shock, the fifth time, it's becoming normal. The tenth

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<v Speaker 9>time it's unremarked.

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<v Speaker 2>On the next episode of Queen Havoc.

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<v Speaker 3>It was one of the most gruesome murders which I've

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<v Speaker 3>seen in the thirty four years. In the reservice.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of blood and the blood just

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<v Speaker 1>went Missy, we can call off.

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<v Speaker 5>The search body, Curtis, There's been murders and it's Gold related.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in Krugerdosdorp area, connected to overcomers in.

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<v Speaker 4>That's when I mate Secin Nestin for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult is a production of

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<v Speaker 2>Schooly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and

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<v Speaker 2>created by me Kurt Kupachick, produced and written by Jennifer Takini,

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<v Speaker 2>Julia Chriskau and Kurt Kupachick. Lead producer is Julia Chriskau.

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<v Speaker 2>Story editor is Saren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock.

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<v Speaker 2>Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell, editing,

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<v Speaker 2>sound design and scoring by Jesse Niswanger. Associate producers are

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<v Speaker 2>DaShan Moodley and Jamaine Kriher. Additional producing by Ben Melman,

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<v Speaker 2>fact checking by Dennis Webster. Recording engineers are Graham Gibson,

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<v Speaker 2>Clay Hillenberg and Josh Hook. Executive producers are Virginia Rescott,

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<v Speaker 2>LC Crowley, Brandon Barr, Jennifer Takini and Kurt Kubachak. We

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<v Speaker 2>want to thank all of those who so generously welcomed

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<v Speaker 2>us in South Africa and shared their stories. We're incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>grateful to you all. We also want to acknowledge how

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<v Speaker 2>traumatic these events are for the victims and their families.

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<v Speaker 2>Please respect their privacy. If you or someone you know

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<v Speaker 2>has been affected by COULD behaviors, there are resources available,

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<v Speaker 2>including voices for Dignity at Christine Murray dot com