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Speaker 1: School of Humans. This show follows the investigation of serial

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Speaker 1: murders and contains material that may be disturbing. Listener discretion advised.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty twelve Krugersdorp, South Africa. Ria Grunewald's prayer group

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Speaker 2: Overcomers through Christ were under attack. Someone was sending a message.

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Speaker 2: They believed it was Satanists from Cecilia's past. The same

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Speaker 2: demons who chronically tortured Cecilia were now out for Rhea.

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Speaker 2: Rhea's connection to Cecilia was the only thing protecting OTC,

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Speaker 2: and now Ria had severed that connection just.

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Speaker 1: Before the murders thought it they was car bombings happening

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Speaker 1: to SKA Ria.

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Speaker 3: Virtual bombs were used to intimidate people attending of these meetings.

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Speaker 2: The bombs were in indeed a message, but not from Satanists.

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Speaker 2: In truth, it was Cecilia Stein, the Mastermind, ordering her

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Speaker 2: new subjects to carry out these crimes in hopes of

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Speaker 2: scaring Rhea in his submission. After being poisoned and receiving

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Speaker 2: death threats, Rhea had been doing her best to distance

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Speaker 2: herself from Cecilia, who felt deeply betrayed, and the rivalry

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Speaker 2: had turned violent. The first two acts of wanting terrorism.

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Speaker 2: Both involved car bombs hand made by the members of

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Speaker 2: Electus Perdaeus. Here's detective Susette Kenoz she woke.

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Speaker 4: Out to her car.

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Speaker 1: She smelt petroleum, he said, heavy smell. When they came out,

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Speaker 1: they saw that there was all kinds of little packages

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Speaker 1: underneath the cause.

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Speaker 2: The police were called and the bombs were disarmed. No

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Speaker 2: one was hurt this time, but Rhea and her followers

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Speaker 2: were all struck with a nameless fear. A few weeks later,

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Speaker 2: OTC met again at a new location, the home of

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Speaker 2: Pastor Reginald ben Dixon, Rhea's new mentor in faith. Before

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Speaker 2: the meeting started, the prayer group encircled the house. They

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Speaker 2: joined hands, called in protection against the devil and his demons.

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Speaker 2: They created an invisible wall sealing the home to keep

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Speaker 2: out all things unholy. But then an hour into the meeting,

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Speaker 2: a series of explosions shook the house. When they rushed outside,

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Speaker 2: they discovered huge holes where the bombs had exploded against

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Speaker 2: the lawn. Rhea's car was smoking and severely damaged. A

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Speaker 2: few weeks later, at midnight on the evening of July fifteenth,

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Speaker 2: Pastor George nell a spiritual adviser to Rihea's prayer group

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Speaker 2: The Lighthouse Full Gospel Church that he had led for

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Speaker 2: eight years, had been set on fire. As the building smoldered,

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Speaker 2: the pastor found a note taped to the wrought iron gate.

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Speaker 2: Scrawled in big block letters, It reads, who is going

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Speaker 2: to protect you now? Rhea. Rihea had gone to the cops,

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Speaker 2: but she was convinced that she was dealing with supernatural

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Speaker 2: forces until the bombings in the church fire, she remained

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Speaker 2: in the nile that her spiritual daughter Cecilia, the woman

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Speaker 2: whom she had once bottle fed back to health and

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Speaker 2: cared for for four long years, could ever want to

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Speaker 2: do her harm. Rhea couldn't bear to grasp that ugly truth,

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Speaker 2: so she didn't.

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Speaker 1: The revenge was totally on are. The only think she

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Speaker 1: was doing wrong was she might friends with Celia, and

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Speaker 1: she protected Celia, and she mighte Celia her best friend,

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Speaker 1: and then she deserted Celia and Stela just couldn't take it.

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Speaker 4: It's pure revenge. And if you look at the people

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Speaker 4: that got murdered, they were all close friends for Ria.

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Speaker 2: From School of Humans and iHeart podcasts. This is Queen

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Speaker 2: Havoc and Her Murder Cult. I'm your host, Kurt Kubachek,

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Speaker 2: Episode two Under Satan's Hammer. When we first arrived in

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Speaker 2: South Africa, Jennifer and I quickly learned about a nationwide

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Speaker 2: energy management technique called load shedding. That's where the power

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Speaker 2: grid is shut down in certain areas at certain times.

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Speaker 2: This is meant to lessen the strain on the country's

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Speaker 2: electricity system, but it shifts the burd into the people.

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Speaker 2: Here's Jermaine Kraher, our South African producer, as we drive

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Speaker 2: across Krueger Store from the airport to our hotel.

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Speaker 5: How do you does.

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Speaker 1: Everyone just have backup batteries?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: No, everyone just sits in the dark. Really, yes, backup

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Speaker 5: batteries are incredibly expensive and a lot of people still

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Speaker 5: don't have the resources for that. We've sat four or

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Speaker 5: five days with our power before. The problem with that

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Speaker 5: is our water pumps work on electricity, so after two

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Speaker 5: is a little bit of a nightmare. Hi, how are

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Speaker 6: Get I'm just dropping up some gays.

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Speaker 2: Back at the hotel. We found ourselves without WI Fi.

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Speaker 2: Even the backup generator wasn't working. Our first taste of

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Speaker 2: this darkness that could take over it any more. I

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Speaker 2: kept thinking about the members of Electus Perdaeis, the ones

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Speaker 2: who sided with Cecilia when Otisi was divided, how dark

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Speaker 2: lords and ladies of Queen Havoc's bloody court. Not only

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Speaker 2: for example, moved in with Rhea after suffering through a

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Speaker 2: tough divorce in twenty eleven. Rhea was there for her

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Speaker 2: when Marinda needed her most, but that also meant she

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Speaker 2: lived next door to Cecilia. Cecilia's petit with short hair

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Speaker 2: small gold hoop earrings. She has a silver tongue and

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Speaker 2: is mastered in the art of posturing, so that everyone

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Speaker 1: She has the superpower in manipulation. I mean she can

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Speaker 2: So rather quickly, Marinda grew devoted to her, became desperate

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Speaker 2: Stein had officially taken Ria's place as Cecilia's right hand

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Speaker 7: Marinda ultimately did everything she did to impress Cecilia. She

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Speaker 2: Like Ria and Cecilia, Mirinda was a mother. She worked

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Speaker 8: All the people that she has turned to believe in

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Speaker 2: That's Colonel Christelle Boison a strong, almost intimidating presence, A

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Speaker 2: as well. She told us about Mirinda's transformation, her fall

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Speaker 8: She was a loving mother, a loving spouse, and when

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Speaker 8: she met up with Cecilia, Cecilia started feeding the bedside

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Speaker 8: of Mirenda. Marenda even testified in court to say that

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Speaker 8: killing a person is the most exciting thing that you

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Speaker 2: What a statement. Mirenda was fully committed to her role

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Speaker 2: as the right hand to Secilia, even if that meant

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Speaker 2: Niki Falkoff speculates.

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Speaker 9: Maybe the very natere of trying to be this kind

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Speaker 9: part of what made her available to this narrative of

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Speaker 9: Satanism that you know you are special and you have

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Speaker 2: The fear of Satanism, paired with the promise of doing

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Speaker 2: God's work, kept Mirinda glued to Secilia.

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Speaker 7: She relied on a certain scripture where said the prophet

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Speaker 7: Eli was given Samuel to raise, and obviously Eli was

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Speaker 7: a prophet, so Marinda thought she will just give her

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Speaker 7: on that scripture. So, from a very early age, the

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Speaker 7: children and Cecilia's lives were completely integrated.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but when I was ten,

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Speaker 2: commit brutal acts of violence. Upon Cecilia's orders, Marinda cut

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Speaker 2: Here is Rosalind McNabb again, child advocate and psychologists.

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Speaker 6: They were told your dad does not want to see you.

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Speaker 6: Then they were told you will not speak to anyone

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Speaker 6: at school because actually Cecilia knows everything about what is

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Speaker 2: They came to believe that Cecilia was omnipresent. One silver

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Speaker 2: treated Cecilia like a prophet one who had survived the

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Speaker 2: darkness and had seen the light. And now she was

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Speaker 2: of all. And so did Zach and Michaela Valentine. They

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Speaker 2: were also true believers in Cecilia. Her influence was immediately evident.

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Speaker 2: When we visited Detective Susette, she showed us pictures of Michaela.

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Speaker 1: I mean she was a beautiful woman. In a year time,

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Speaker 2: In the first picture, she is bright, youthful. She looks

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Speaker 2: Michaela's style seems to have changed drastically. Her face is

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Speaker 2: Kayla's husband, Zach had known Cecilia since they were kids.

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Speaker 2: They attended the same church, presumably before Cecilia was lured

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Speaker 2: so getting a job was out of the question. Zach's

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Speaker 6: Zach Valentine gave them more than a nine a thousand

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Speaker 2: The equivalent of nearly six thousand dollars per month. We

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Speaker 2: also learned that EPD was as high as they could

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Speaker 2: for them. This dynamic worked to deepen the toxic codependency

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Speaker 2: that Secilia was fostering among her followers. It also kept

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Speaker 2: their pockets. Their identities were disappearing too. But according to Secilia.

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Speaker 2: Their cash wasn't just for drugs and groceries. It was

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Speaker 2: for orphans. Here's psychologist Rosalind McNab.

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Speaker 6: Zach Valentine, I'm an intelligent person who bought this story

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Speaker 6: that I have this orphanage of all these children whose parents,

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Speaker 6: whose mothers are safeness, and we need to save them.

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Speaker 6: We need to get all this money and send it

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Speaker 2: There were no pictures, no receipts, no medical bills, no

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Speaker 2: But if Cecilia trusted them, Zach did, and he gave

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Speaker 2: Electus Perdeas. This mission to save orphans overseas worked beautifully

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Speaker 2: Cecilia convinced Electus Perdeas to carry out yet another more

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Speaker 1: Then she kills Ria. Riakon returned to her, so she'll

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Speaker 3: But first of all, I think if the judicial system

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Speaker 2: Sitting at a booth across from Cecilia's menacing presence, Rhea

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Speaker 1: Cecilia stood up and said, well, if you think the

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Speaker 2: Oh, would make good on that promise and without much interference.

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Speaker 2: The police had let Ria down twice now and would continue.

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Speaker 4: To do so.

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Speaker 2: Here is another journalist who covered the coming horrorse Maritzka Kotz.

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Speaker 1: I feel that if police actually managed to stop the

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Speaker 6: Today, they could have prevented so many murders.

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Speaker 2: And here's Detective Susette with the most difficult truth to bear.

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Speaker 1: At least seven people died because of the way the

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Speaker 1: Not just the police, this state prosecutor's office as well.

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Speaker 2: Soon after meeting Ria at the diner, Cecilia informed her

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Speaker 2: had taken Cecilia's place as Ria's closest all. The revenge

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Speaker 1: She told the group God gave these people five things

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Speaker 1: And because Natasha only prayed for the four death curses

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Speaker 2: I know it's wild, but the bite method had worked.

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Speaker 2: Cecilia now controlled their behavior, information, thoughts, and emotions.

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Speaker 1: Any person in their right mind would know if three

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Speaker 2: Elia's psychological playground had twisted her follower's sense of truth,

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Speaker 2: and now Cecilia's teeth were sunk deep into the hearts

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Speaker 2: of Zach, Mirinda, and Mikayla, according to Yana Marx's book,

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Speaker 2: In order to focus her follower's hatred and channel it

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Speaker 2: We have to take Natasha out, Cecilia said. It's blood

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Speaker 2: LaRue was in charge of preparations for the operation. He

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Speaker 2: The guards recorded the license plate number on each car

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Speaker 2: twenty fourth, twenty twelve, it worked. Zach, Mikayla, and Marcel,

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Speaker 2: who was an angsty tween at this point, got past

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Speaker 2: Marcel had a surprise, a taser. She anxiously knocked at

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Speaker 1: She said hook at passed in a garden in one

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Speaker 2: But Marcel was persistent, and Natasha reluctantly agreed not to

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Speaker 1: Natasha left her little puppy in daytime when she went

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Speaker 2: Natasha's neighbor is a sweet, older woman named Joy Burnside.

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Speaker 2: Natasha's poodle, Bubbles, starts barking as soon as Mikayla and

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Speaker 2: Zach walk up to Joy's townhouse. The knocking only makes

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Speaker 2: greets them warmly. Bubbles eagerly wags her tail. Mikayla smiles

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Speaker 2: The violence that comes next is quite disturbing. The moment

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Speaker 2: and scribbles a message, Natasha, please come see me urgently,

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Speaker 2: Auntie Jay. Zach orders Mikayla to go put it on

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Speaker 2: but when Michaela looks at Joy, the frightened old woman,

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Speaker 4: In his wife.

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Speaker 2: He fears Cecilia's reaction and potential for a severe punishment.

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Speaker 2: Joy isn't dead, but Zach leaves the room to place

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Speaker 2: Perhaps her dead body can become a warning to Natasha.

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Speaker 2: Joy's last breaths escape her lungs there on the living

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Speaker 1: So Natasha died because of revenge and the neighbor. It's

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Speaker 2: But one of Joy Burnside's neighbors had heard Joy fighting

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Speaker 2: This neighbor would become a key witness, and Epd's newfound

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Speaker 9: If you've harmed one person who's close to you, it

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Speaker 9: becomes easier to do it again. The first time it's

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of Queen Havoc.

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Speaker 3: It was one of the most gruesome murders which I've

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Speaker 3: seen in the thirty four years. In the reservice.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of blood and the blood just

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Speaker 1: went Missy, we can call off.

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Speaker 4: That's when I mate Secin Nestin for the first time.

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Speaker 2: Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult is a production of

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Speaker 2: Schooly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and

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Speaker 2: created by me Kurt Kupachick, produced and written by Jennifer Takini,

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Speaker 2: Julia Chriskau and Kurt Kupachick. Lead producer is Julia Chriskau.

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Speaker 2: Story editor is Saren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock.

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Speaker 2: Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell, editing,

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Speaker 2: sound design and scoring by Jesse Niswanger. Associate producers are

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Speaker 2: DaShan Moodley and Jamaine Kriher. Additional producing by Ben Melman,

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Speaker 2: fact checking by Dennis Webster. Recording engineers are Graham Gibson,

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Speaker 2: Clay Hillenberg and Josh Hook. Executive producers are Virginia Rescott,

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Speaker 2: LC Crowley, Brandon Barr, Jennifer Takini and Kurt Kubachak. We

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Speaker 2: want to thank all of those who so generously welcomed

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Speaker 2: us in South Africa and shared their stories. We're incredibly

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Speaker 2: grateful to you all. We also want to acknowledge how

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Speaker 2: traumatic these events are for the victims and their families.

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Speaker 2: Please respect their privacy. If you or someone you know

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Speaker 2: has been affected by COULD behaviors, there are resources available,

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Speaker 2: including voices for Dignity at Christine Murray dot com