1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to the best podcast available, sponsored by 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: our great friends at Cross Country Mortgage on Jason Gibbs 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: alongside with Andrew Gribble and special guest NFL Draft analyst 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks here on the program and we come to 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: you live from Indianapolis and NFL Scouting Combine. Bucky, appreciate 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: a few minutes of your time and when you come 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: to Indie, what is your plan? What do you do 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: in the week other than make your rounds here at 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: media Row? What what all do they have you doing 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: in the week that is the NFL Combine? Well, the 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: week of the combine is is great because it's kind 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: of it serves a couple of different purposes. We'll talk 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: about all the players and the workhouts and all that stuff, 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: but it really is the catch up session. It is 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: having the opportunity to talk to all the coaches to 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: kind of get a sense of what everyone is feeling 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: about this class, what people are feeling about the new 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: way of building teams, coming on the heels of how 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: the team won the Super Bowl and all of that. 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: And so, because it is kind of like the the Convention, 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: the annual Convention of All Football people. It is a 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: great experience because you get a chance to take all 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: this information and you're able to use it as you 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: begin to project how the league is going to look 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: going forward. How do you think the league handled not 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: having one last year? And how just talking to people, 27 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: how do you think How excited do you see people 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: to be back here? Yeah, Like it's funny because it's 29 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: a blur because I'm sitting here trying to remember, Man, 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: what was the last time we had a combine because 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: there's so much going on. Yeah, look, I think everyone 32 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: is excited back to have the opportunity to have all 33 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: the prospects in one spot where you can see him, 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: you can talk to him, you can kind of get 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: a field and sense for who they are, not only 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: as athletes, but as people. You can do all of 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: that done, and you can kind of better navigate how 38 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: to have the pro day circuit in the workouts and 39 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: so people to talk about. It has kind of become 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: a made for TV event, but still a lot of 41 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: necessary work that has to be done. I know that 42 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: on NFL dot com you've put out your top five 43 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: at each position. What are you looking for this week 44 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: as we get rolling here? Especially with the workout set 45 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: to start on Thursday. Is it something with the interviews? 46 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: Is it something that they do on the field. Is 47 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: there something specific that you're looking for? Well, the interview 48 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: things you just want to listen and hear the whispers, 49 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: like did anybody bomb the interview process? Did any information 50 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: come out that maybe need to rethink where someone's stacks 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: based on Hey, they may have something in the background. 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: It's probably going to lead to a fall when you 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: get to the field. It's really about trying to figure 54 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: out can you confirm some of the things that you 55 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: believe that you saw on tape. If a guy is 56 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: an explosive athlete, does he show explosion when you're watching 57 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: him work out? If a guy doesn't play as fast 58 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: but then he tests faster. Here, was there an injury 59 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: or something that we didn't know about that wasn't reported 60 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: that impacted his play, and so a lot of what 61 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: this is, it's a fact value mission, is being able 62 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: to match up what you believe you so on tape 63 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: with what the player displays on the field. And even 64 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: though the tape always supersedes the workout, the workout can 65 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: give you some answers to maybe what you may not 66 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: have seen during the tape discovery. It was a big 67 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: day here for wide receivers. And I know you put 68 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: out your top five wide receivers list. What do you 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: like about this group and kind of the talent and 70 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: that the differences between some of these guys. I mean, 71 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: that's a lot of talent. I mean, I feel like 72 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna say this for the next five years. There 73 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: are a lot of talent that wide receivers. And it's 74 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily a requirement that you have to take a 75 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: receiving the first round and get big time production. These 76 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: guys are coming into this game into the National Football 77 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: League trained and skill because they've had so many years 78 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: to work in their craft before they get to college. 79 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: They've been playing seven or seven up in two and 80 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: through high school, and so these guys have caught a 81 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: ton of balls. They understand how to get open. They 82 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: have a nuance to their game that they didn't have 83 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: years ago. Uh. This class is about try to figure 84 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: out what it is that you need. Uh. We always 85 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: talk about and building a wide receiver corps. You have 86 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: to build a basketball team, meaning that you have some 87 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: big players that can dominate down in the red zone. 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: You need to have some chain movers that are you 89 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: guys that can work over the middle of field, and 90 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: then you have those big play threats. There's guys that 91 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: can take the top off the coverage. They can make 92 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: things happen in the vertical part of the passing end. 93 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: They shouldn't have all of those things, and so depending 94 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: upon what you're looking for, you can find it. Obviously 95 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people in our neck of the woods, 96 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: like a certain college for a couple hours to the 97 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: south of US. Chris Alvey, Garrett Wilson, What have you 98 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: seen in the early tape study that you've done, uh Man. 99 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson is probably the one of the two that 100 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: probably has the ability to be the number one receiver. 101 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: Outstanding route runner, great hands Um does a great job 102 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: catching like catching run part of it, like after the catch, 103 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: he he picks up yards chunks, he's a chain mover. 104 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: He can do all those things that you typically see 105 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: from a number one receiver. Because the difference between the 106 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: number one receiver and a compliment is the number one 107 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: receiver not only has to command a double team because 108 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: he's so dangerous that you have to double team at 109 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: all times. But if he faces a double team, he 110 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: has the ability to get open and continue to deliver 111 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: big time production and alive Alive is just really smooth. Uh. 112 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: He's a natural points score, meaning he's gonna leave. He 113 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: left Ohio State is maybe the most prolific point score 114 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: and buck out football and you think about all the 115 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: receivers that have played there as a tremendous honor. He 116 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: is more of it what I would call like a 117 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: vertical threat and vertical playmaker then Wilson. But both have 118 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: the ability to be very very special players in the 119 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: right system given and placed in the right roles. And 120 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: both those guys are pretty different, I guess than the other. 121 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: The other two that are getting headlines with trail On 122 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: Burks and Drake London. What do you like about them? 123 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: And specifically Barks, we heard about how big his hands 124 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: were and just kind of how big of a guy 125 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: he is in that position. Yeah, Brooks is interesting because 126 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: he is a big guy, and he is big, he's physical, 127 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: he is a great job of winning, can cast it catches. 128 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: He is not necessarily a refined route runner. His game 129 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: isn't based in technique when it comes to how he 130 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: gets in and out of his breaks and does that. 131 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: He wins a lot of times because he's a better 132 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: athlete than the guy that he's facing. Uh and Drey London, 133 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: Drake Lendon. You're getting a basketball player. This is a 134 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: guy who was a big time basketball player in high school. 135 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: He started out his career at USC as a two 136 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: sport player. There's a lot of basketball that shows up 137 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: in his game. The way that he wins balls over 138 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: dbs down the field, the way he's able to post 139 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: up in the red zone, all of those are traits 140 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: that he learned from his time on the hardwood. When 141 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: you get in your player like him, he expands the 142 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: strike zone for your quarterback, and so depending on your 143 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: quarterback and what the ficiencies he may have, sometimes you 144 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: want to put a big body out there because now 145 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: you can say, hey, just throw it up to him. 146 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: He'll go and make you right. For a team like 147 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: the Browns. Though you talked about how tempting it is 148 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: that there's so much depth the wide receiver position, you 149 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: can get great players in the second and third round. 150 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: What are maybe smart position than that thirteen range, like 151 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: a pass rusher, defensive tackle potentially where that might be 152 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: more tempting than than a wide receiver at that point 153 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: when you're weigh in the balance, Yeah what you want? Yeah, 154 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: they're plenty of pass rush is available. I mean there 155 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: are guys all over there, guys in Big ten country 156 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: that people talk about George Coloftas from Purdue as a 157 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: guy there's a big time pass rusher coming off the edge, 158 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: plays with uh the energy and the effort that you 159 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: want to see has been productive throughout the time. As 160 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: a boidermaker. You think about David Jabo from Michigan. I 161 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: don't know, sometimes those guys, you know how you're down 162 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: in casebously talking about the school up north, but that 163 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: David A. Jabo is a guy that can come off 164 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: the edge freak is first step quickness, snap, con anticipation. 165 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: He's a very interesting one. And so it's just a 166 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: matter of trying to identify exactly what you want to 167 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: put opposite Miles Gart Do you want a power player? 168 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: Do you want to speed player? Depending on that, and 169 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: it kind of leads you to the pass Russian UH 170 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: tear that you want to kind of shop from. Yeah. Obviously, 171 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: wide receiver defensive end or are two big areas that 172 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: we're focused on. But one other areas are pretty deep 173 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: in this year's draft that you've seen. The cornerback class 174 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: is good. Uh. The cornerback class has has a number 175 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: of intriguing options where you guys can come off the 176 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: from the college game and step onto the field and play. 177 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: People to talk about Sauce Gardner, who is terrific. I mean, 178 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: you just don't see guys who are long and ranging 179 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 1: and athletic who also like the tackle, like the thump, 180 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: aren't afraid to get into the mix. He's unique. UM 181 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: Andrew Booth is another guy that is interesting in that class. 182 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: I would also say offensive line. The offensive tackle class 183 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: continues to impress their guys that um are Day one 184 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: players right away. They'll come and make immediate contributions. And 185 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: so overall, the depth in the draft are in the 186 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: meat and potatoes position, but not in the sexy positions. 187 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: Where it comes to quarterback. It's just one of those 188 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: things where the Browns obviously looking for all these sorts 189 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: of positions. Another one that comes up its tight end. 190 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: I know it's a Day three kind of group, but 191 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: a lot of these Day three guys really seem to 192 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: kind of come in and establish themselves and have a 193 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: long careers. Yeah, no, they do, and I would say 194 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: I would I would say, like more of it. I 195 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: don't expect the tight into go in the first round, 196 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: but man, there are plenty of pass catchers that can 197 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: make it happen. McBride from Colorado State is one that 198 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: that's interesting. And then you have a handful of other 199 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: guys that have size, have athleticism, can control the middle 200 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: of the field. Um, we have seen that you don't 201 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: necessarily have to invest a lot in tight ends and 202 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: get a tremendous amount of value from those. I will 203 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: give you one that you can keep an eye on 204 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: at the East West Ryan game. Jelanni Woods from uv A, 205 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: the Virginia tight end, has tremendous size, big catch radios, 206 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: soft hands. He's interesting and so they're handful of guys 207 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: that you have to keep an eye on. NFL Network 208 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: provides on location coverage of two NFL scouting combine Thursday 209 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: through Sunday, starting at four o'clock. NFL analyst Bucky Brooks 210 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: joins us, the I'm buying with some new drills, some 211 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: updated drills for two. Do you like them? Is there 212 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: something that you'd still like to see included. I mean, look, 213 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: they've been they've been trying to spice up the combine 214 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: for a while. There's been requesting from teams to see 215 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: different drills and those things. I think all those things 216 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: are fine. I think as an evaluated you love to 217 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: see you guys moving around. You want to see the 218 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: base drills, the forty and the broadjem and those things. 219 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: And then the position drills are fine, like they can 220 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: do however how they move around and get over the 221 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: bags and all that. Ultimately, what you want to do 222 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: is you want to get kind of like a flashpoint 223 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: of what the athleticism is and then you want to 224 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: set it up when you go back to their pro 225 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: day to take them through things that are going to 226 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: relate to your system. And so they'd be fun to 227 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: watch these guys run around, and the more uncomfortable that 228 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: the combine can make them the better because you want 229 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: to see how guys act under the rest. But it's 230 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: a nice starting part, starting point for where you want 231 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: to get to in evaluations. You appreciate the time, enjoy 232 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: the weekend. Are you still coaching? I am still coaching 233 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: in high school all head coach, head coach coach, Yes, 234 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: all right, how are we looking. That's the off season 235 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: program of season program has been fun. Um, it's good. 236 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: Like we just tried to send us all O t 237 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: A stuff or whatever, trying to get it all together. 238 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: But no, that's a lot of fun. It gives me, 239 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: I would say, maybe even more perspective and watching these 240 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: guys grow up, being able to look at high schools, 241 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: go to colls and cons to appreciate the time. Good 242 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: luck this weekend, get some rest, maybe some elmos froom cocktail. 243 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: We gotta get some of that and enjoy the weekend 244 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: continued success. Hey, thanks someone's guys, thank you so much. 245 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: Thanks again the NFL analyst Bucky Brooks for all of 246 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: his time today breaking down the NFL Combine. It's early 247 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: in the week Ribs, so it's one of those things 248 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: where you know, we'll break down the winners and the 249 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: guys who showed out next week on the best podcast available. 250 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: But it's a little bit more behind the scenes right now. 251 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: Like he said, it's a lot of fact finding and 252 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: trying to confirm the stuff that you think you already 253 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: know about the player. Yeah, and we're still probably not 254 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: going to know a ton more by this time. Next week. 255 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be one of those things where a 256 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: player like a Drake London is not going to do 257 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: much here because he's still recovering from from an ankle injury. 258 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: I think this for our perspective, this is where you 259 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: learn a few tidbits here and there, Like we hear 260 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: about trail On Burke's and his offseason hunting activities, how 261 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: he grew up hunting hogs. And you've got how he 262 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: has four Excel gloves. You had to get special made 263 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: gloves because his hands are so big. I mean, the 264 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: ultimate humble brag for a wide receiver. I think that's 265 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: that's something you love to hear. And then you hear 266 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: about Garrett Wilson today talking about his relationship with Baker Mayfield. 267 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: They both of the Lake Travis High School in Austin, Texas, 268 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: and so it's it's all those kind of little tidbits 269 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: you put together and really, well, we'll start hearing what 270 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: the experts are gonna the Bucky Brooks of the world, 271 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: what they're hearing behind the scenes about whether this player 272 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: was elevating up the boards or where that player was 273 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: and and mostly it's gonna have to do with how 274 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: those players were interviewing and not really what they did 275 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: on the field unless it was at an exceeded all 276 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: that people didn't didn't expect. Some players obviously aren't working 277 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: out this week because of injuries, but there are a 278 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: lot of players that are not choosing to work out, 279 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: maybe more than I think we thought when we talked 280 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: to Air Gudholm. You know, this is the first person 281 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: combined and maybe a little bit more important to get 282 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: that workout in. But a lot of players not choosing 283 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: to to work out this week that are healthy. Yeah, 284 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: I mean it it goes back to one confidence and 285 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: where you're standing is and too. I mean everyone that 286 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: got drafted last year, you didn't have to work out here, 287 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: So it's kind of standing where if those pro days 288 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: you can make that meaningful. I think that it shows 289 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: the teams will take those seriously, and I think that 290 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: that that goes into the thinking behind it. I think 291 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: where it comes down to a pressure thing. It's like 292 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: if you're in a tightly contested group and you want 293 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: to go with expositions higher than than someone in your group, 294 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: maybe you're you feel the pressure to work out. That 295 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: usually always happened seemingly the quarterbacks. I mean that I 296 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: don't know if we'll have that this year, but if 297 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: if you're confident and and good enough and feeling like 298 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: that you saw last year, not only were there, the 299 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: entire draft class went without a combine, you had some 300 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: of the best players in the draft last year not 301 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: even play college football the previous year. So I think 302 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: if you're at that level, they know NFL teams will 303 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: find you no matter what you do in this process. 304 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: It was an interesting article this week from Pro Football 305 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Talk and Mike Florio that could on the horizon, especially 306 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: with this event becoming a a made for TV event 307 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: and more fans and coming into attendance, the need to 308 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: pay people to work out here at the NFL combox. Well, 309 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: if you if you start losing guys that are the 310 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: ones that you want people tuning in for, that could 311 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: definitely become an insensive I certainly I wouldn't be opposed 312 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: to to what it would be. Well, however, nominal of 313 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: a of a number it maybe, but I mean this 314 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: is big. We we do focus on like a cluster 315 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: of like thirty guys, where there's like the other couple hundreds, 316 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: many of whom will not even be drafted where they 317 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: would crawl from wherever they live to to get here 318 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: for this opportunity. So it's a mix of of both 319 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: because I think, you know a lot of people are 320 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: gonna be tuning in to watch Marik Willison and Kenny 321 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: Pikett throw, but may not necessarily be watching the Division 322 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: three guy that was a start his level, that that's 323 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: trying to show that he belongs on this stage. So 324 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a tricky balance, but I I 325 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't be a be opposed to because, like you said, 326 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: it is becoming more of a TV event. But it 327 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: is funny though it's not funny but like ironic though 328 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: it's it's hitting its peak as like a TV event 329 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: as we're reaching an area where more and more guys 330 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: are deciding not to do it, and I think that's 331 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: that's that's that's a tricky thing the NFL is gonna 332 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: have to figure out and getting more of these guys 333 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: to do things. Yeah, I don't know how I feel 334 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: about the fans being allowed, Like we're not allowed it. 335 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: We're at the Indiana Convention Center. We're not allowed in 336 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: the stadium to watch those workouts and uh so that 337 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: that it's just a different element altogether. And you know, 338 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: but that's where the league ultimately wants to be and 339 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: putting this event probably in the similar context of the 340 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: NFL Draft and making it a made for TV but 341 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: made for fan event as much as anything, They're gonna 342 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to add a few more things to 343 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: make it a fan event in my mind. I mean, 344 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not starting to downplay the excitement of 345 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: the combine, but there's there, There'll be a lot of 346 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of dead are to film. I mean, you're 347 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to have some music going on at 348 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: all times, some some interactive things for fans to get 349 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: engaged with before you start bringing them in and charging 350 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: charge of prices here. Wide receivers talked on Wednesday, so 351 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: did quarterbacks. The first players at the podium here in 352 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: the NFL Combine obviously spotlight on those wide receivers, as 353 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: we talked about with Bucky Brooks. Anything that stood out 354 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: to you that we didn't get to, Yeah, I mean 355 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: I think that it's it's one of those things we 356 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: keep hearing it over and over again with these four guys. 357 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: It's like you can't go wrong with any of them, 358 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: which is a really good place for the Browns to 359 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: be if they want to choose a wide receiver at 360 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: number thirteen, and you know Bucky touched on it. You're 361 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: trying to build a basketball team and you want to 362 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: have different skill sets for different guys. And I don't 363 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: know when I hear that, I don't know what what 364 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 1: that means towards the Browns, because I think there are 365 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: multiple areas of need at at that position. I mean, 366 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: I think you've got two young guys with with Donovan 367 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: People's Jones and Anthony Schwartz anthy Sports is obviously a gifted, 368 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: uh fast player, and I think Donald People's Jones is 369 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: well rounded, very reliable. And then if Jarviet Slander is 370 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: coming back, you've got a great veteran in that room 371 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: as well. But I still think you have multiple needs 372 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: to fill you you can. The way I look at 373 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: it is like, is there a place for Drake London 374 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: in that room? Yes? Is there a place for trail 375 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: On Burkes that room? Yes? Is there a place for 376 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson in that room? Yes? Like so I don't 377 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: get any more clarity when I hear when I hear 378 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: those answers, and that's fine, but it's it's a good time. 379 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: Just like the Browns a couple of years ago, when 380 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: you needed a left tackle, it was a good year 381 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: to need a left tackle because there was so many 382 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: good ones. Uh, it's the same kind of situation with 383 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: wide receiver now. It's just a matter of who all 384 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: is going to be available if you want one at 385 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: number thirteen, I think, but the majority of them still 386 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: will be available, but maybe not all. Yeah, And I 387 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: think it's interesting the draft is shaping up that maybe 388 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't have you know, the five or six quarterbacks 389 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: that everybody always falls in love with, and you know 390 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: there's a run and maybe some of the bigger names. 391 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: But at the same time, the depth of the positions 392 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: of need for the Browns edge rusher, wide receiver. If 393 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: you needed some depth on the offensive line, that's gonna 394 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: leave a mark on the door not so great. You 395 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: might want to have used both doors when pulling the 396 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: golf card out. Hey who knows um, But you know 397 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: there there's a lot of depth at the positions of 398 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: need for the Crowns. So Day two and Dave three 399 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: really could set us up pretty nicely. Yeah, And when 400 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: I asked about Bucket about the pass rush thing, I was, 401 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: I was, it was good to hear that there are 402 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: still some good pass rushers. I just wonder the difference 403 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: between a Day two wide receiver and a Day two 404 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: pass rusher could be pretty vast. If a guy like 405 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: a Jahan Dots and the Penn stat who's really good, 406 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: I mean, he could still be around Day two. Is 407 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: that caliber pass rushers still available on Day two? That's 408 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: a that's a tricky thing that the Browns are gonna 409 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: have to balance if that's another position they want to 410 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: target or I know we didn't talk much about defensive tackles, 411 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: it's obviously a position to need on on the team. 412 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: There may not be someone worth the number third team 413 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: pick to go get, but is there someone worth the 414 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: twenties such pick and you want to make a move 415 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: down to go get it. That's that's another area where 416 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: you have to make a decision. So it's it's gonna 417 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: be about balancing that. But ultimately, I think when you're 418 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: picking a thirteen, you need to pick whoever is your 419 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: best player. I mean, I think then that you don't 420 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: overcomplicate it and if one of those wide receivers is 421 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: that player, you go get them. Yeah, and there's going 422 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: to be a player there that you want or that 423 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: you coming. I mean that's plain. There are teams here 424 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: this week that will fall in love with quarterbacks. So 425 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: these mock drafts that don't have a quarterback going or 426 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: only one quarterback, there will be multiple quarterbacks gone at 427 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: the time the Browns pick. My theory, my theories, We're 428 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: gonna be talking more about Matt Corral after this. After this, 429 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: I think that get him in the mix. Let's get 430 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: three quarterbacks off the board by third team. Yeah, happy 431 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: to give you a little hype train, you know, move us, 432 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: move us up on the list, and move those players 433 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: down to us. All right. Also at the combine week 434 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: kicks it off the first couple of days, GMS head 435 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: coaches and general manager Andrew Berry address the media on Tuesday. Uh, 436 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: you're big takeaways from one Andrew Berry? Well, I mean 437 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: you guys have talked about a lot on CBD there. 438 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: You're not getting many takeaways from these guys, and that's good. 439 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's you're not coming here to make headlines. 440 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: But I think that that the overall philosophy, and this 441 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: is where what I think You've got an opportunistic mindset 442 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: from this front office. And I think we've seen that 443 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: the last couple of years in free agency and in 444 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: the draft. So it's kind of setting the stage to 445 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: kind of be prepared for anything these next couple of weeks, 446 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: because I don't think they've hesitated to make moves that 447 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: that they believe can kind of make this team better. 448 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: I just think that you're looking at you. You can't 449 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: get pigeonholed into these positions that we're harping on. I 450 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: think there could be positions addressed all over the field. 451 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be a sense of feeling 452 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: too comfortable at any one spot because not that the 453 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: Browns got complacent, uh last off scene, but we talked 454 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: so much about offensive stability, bringing everyone back how great 455 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: it is. Didn't didn't go so well, I mean, and 456 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: so you're gonna have a mindset of how do you 457 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: get better, even if it's in the areas where you 458 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: already think you're pretty good. They're gonna address Yeah, and 459 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski talked to the media on Wednesday, again, you're 460 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: not gonna get a lot, but you got you got 461 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: a few little nuggets. Yeah. He he did a lot 462 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: of kind of breaking down philosophies on wide receivers and 463 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: everything like that, and it kind of echoed a lot 464 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: of what what Bucky said. You want the different skill 465 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: sets and and flexibility, versatility, and I think he has 466 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: shown that he's had every wide receiver it is different. 467 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: But there are guys that are clearly capable of coming 468 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: in and making an immediate impact. He brought up Justin 469 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: Jefferson in Minnesota is an example of that, and then 470 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: there might be some other guys that are a bit 471 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: of a slow brew that it's gonna take a little bit. 472 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: And I think you saw Anthony Schwartz as an example, 473 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: battle a number of injuries that kind of hindered his 474 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: ability to to make a big impact this first year. 475 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: But you saw some flashes at the end, and you 476 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: hope to build on it. And you you know, with 477 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: the history of the wide receiver position, you never write 478 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: anyone off after one season because it can take it 479 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: can take a few seasons to kind of click. Not 480 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: everyone is gonna be Jamar Chase. Not everyone's gonna come 481 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: in and kind of take over things. It just takes 482 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: a little bit for these guys to to get a 483 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: hang of things. And you saw that from year one, two, 484 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: year two with Donald with people's jones, and you hope 485 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 1: it translates to the third year as well. But hopefully 486 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: you can throw someone into the mix, whether it be 487 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: a free agent or or or a top pick that 488 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: can kind of make an immediate impact to help out 489 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: that group rightway. You know. The one thing that and 490 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: you we spend a lot of time, We've got to dinners, 491 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: we go out to the the local bar scene, and 492 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: you kind of get a feel from everybody that okay, 493 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: and this is an outsider perspective. You know, people ask you, hey, 494 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: what you know, what happened? Yeah, it wasn't the year 495 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: we all thought it was gonna be. Yeah. And then 496 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: the follow up is, and it's almost universal from people, 497 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: is you can turn it right back around like it 498 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: wasn't like you you went to three or four wins, 499 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: like you were you were still you were still like 500 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: you were five hundred. Like a couple of tweaks, a 501 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: couple of things here and there, a couple of new additions, 502 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: and you're right back in it. And it's I think 503 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, the season wasn't how we wanted it to go, 504 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: but it's right there still to get right back on 505 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: the path that you want to be young. Yeah, I 506 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: mean example of a team like that would I guess 507 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: probably the last year and they did have to sneaking 508 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: at the end, didn't and kind of make a run 509 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: late to get in the playoffs. But then they get 510 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: all the way the NFC Championship. They had a similar 511 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: year like the Browns did in twenty and they had 512 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: that year. They make a couple moves, they even draft, 513 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: They send out a lot of capital and draft player. 514 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: They had no impact on their season this year, but 515 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: they still got back into the into the mix and 516 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: and got all the way one game away from the 517 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: Super So there's there are plenty of teams. There's a 518 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: team every year that went through a season like the 519 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: Browns that gets right back into the mix the next year. 520 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: And the Browns are gonna do everything they can to 521 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: make themselves one of those teams. Best part of the 522 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: Indies to this point because we're still midweek. Uh that 523 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: doesn't involve the NFL COMBA. I mean, it's just it's 524 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: being back I've been I mean We've made jokes about 525 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: just how everything's basically like we're back here in twenty 526 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: that nothing's changed. I mean there have been subtle changes. 527 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: Indianapolis has been affected by the pandemic a bit there. 528 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: Some restaurants have some new names. Uh. Some some things 529 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: are open, it's not that are some things are closed 530 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: that used to be open. A minor panic at Tech 531 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: Monday night that kill Royce might have been out of 532 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: business never feared. Yea. So it's it's just it's everything 533 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: just I feel like we've last I think a lot 534 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: of us might have been surprised at how much of 535 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: an impact COVID still had one season after what we 536 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: went through, and the as Kevin Santi talked about it today, 537 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: as far as he knows, this whole offseason schedules normal 538 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: and he has not had a normal off season schedule 539 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: yet as the Browns head coach, and it's it's we're 540 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: we're I don't know if anyone any of us are 541 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: ready to commit to that yet because we were so 542 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: kind of just shocked about how all of us thinking 543 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: will be normal when it very much was not normal. 544 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: Uh So hopefully this is the first step and then 545 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: we get to free agency. Let's have a normal free 546 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: agency of players in the building and and us kind 547 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: of getting the footage, and then have a normal draft, 548 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: bring the players into the building after right after you 549 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: pick him, through the press conferences, all all nine works, 550 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: and then in that April, players back in the building 551 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: for off season workouts, and then you're your full steam 552 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: ahead toward training camp. But hopefully a season that doesn't 553 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: get affected by COVID or the way it was this 554 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: past year, which was arguably because of just the differences. 555 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: It was almost affected more but than it was. So 556 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: it's that it's just kind of the collective feeling that 557 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: everyone has here and everyone is kind of just picked 558 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: up where they left off. Everyone's kind of used to 559 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: this and it's almost like as if there wasn't no combine. 560 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: It has been great to see everybody, all the teams 561 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: and their medium content production teams, a lot of the coaches, 562 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: the gms. You can just tell everybody has has mixed 563 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: and mingled, especially at night and just catching up and 564 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: being face to face, and you know, I know some 565 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: of the NFL network people were like, I haven't seen 566 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: this person in person since two years ago, right before 567 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: the World shut down. And I mean, let's be honest, 568 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: probably the combine probably shouldn't have happened two years ago. Yeah, 569 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: and I said it was right. It was at a 570 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: very sensitive time where it was. When we went back home, 571 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: We're like, okay, this is let's strap in it. It's 572 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: gonna change, all right. We've got a nice little Italian 573 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: meal coming our way. We've had We've had a little Nada, 574 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: have some tacos fantastic, had a little Elmos as well 575 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: from tail eat it accordingly. And it's the and it's 576 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: the busy, long days that make it so rewarding at 577 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: the end, because this is this is a grind. I mean, 578 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: we're not going through what the players are going through, 579 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: but this is, uh, these are long days. A p 580 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: came here. He was the first one in the building 581 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: this morning to go see trail on Burke's He am. 582 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I I can't say I was here for 583 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: the for for that moment, but I came in shortly thereafter. 584 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: So but he was the first one in the building. 585 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: He made sure he was going to be here. So 586 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: we we had the folk, we had the coverage ready 587 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: to go. Uh and and we'll be back at it 588 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: again eight am tomorrow. YEP. We will be churning out 589 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: content for the rest of the week here from the 590 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: NFL Combined. Uh. Everybody doing a great job. From our 591 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: video crew, UH to our writers. Mr Anthony Sean on 592 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: the digital side getting his first taste of the combine 593 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: that we may never get him to leave just kind 594 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: of depends how things go here over the next forty 595 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: eight hours. I haven't seen Sagura outside of shows and 596 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: occasionally tapings. He's running Amuck Bishops around from the Cleveland Browns, 597 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: namely as well. So thank you everybody. Keep tuning in 598 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: on all of the Cleveland Browns media platforms for continued 599 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: coverage from the NFL Combine. Special thanks to Bucky Brooks 600 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: for all of his time. 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