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Speaker 2: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh

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Speaker 2: that was nasty right there. Rights slam the ground by

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Speaker 2: fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: Do you think I'm in any position to give Kyler

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Speaker 2: Murray some free advice? No? And that'll do it for

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Speaker 2: this edition of Cardinal's Underground, brought to you my Specific

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Speaker 2: The folks in Calvic consulting the R and D division

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Speaker 2: have determined that it would be in Kyler's best interest

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Speaker 2: if he started one of these sort of online social

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Speaker 2: media submit your video rating services specifically rated to your swing,

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Speaker 2: your baseball or softball swing.

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Speaker 3: Hang on one second.

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Speaker 2: Send your video clip to Kyler and he'll rate it.

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Speaker 3: Are you saying you want Kyler to focus more on

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Speaker 3: baseball and you think that would bode well with Cardinals.

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Speaker 4: That's probably not going well.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that.

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Speaker 3: It's been pretty harsh to him about that in the past.

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Speaker 2: Just rating baseball swings does not violate the contract. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that violates the contract.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if Kyler is doing anything in his

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Speaker 3: free time other than throwing a football or you know, stretching,

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Speaker 3: it's a problem.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking the rating service could go something like thanks

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Speaker 2: for being engaged in wanting to hear more about this.

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Speaker 2: It could be, you know, a single for a sufficient swing,

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Speaker 2: a double, a triple, a homer for a great swing,

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Speaker 2: you know, a k a strikeout for a really poor

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Speaker 2: Swingris Johnson Junior. You know, maybe like James Connor, who

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Speaker 2: might you know, maybe he didn't earn a single, but

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Speaker 2: he gets a walk or maybe a hit by pitch,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Somewhere in between you.

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Speaker 4: I feel like his ratings would be very he'd be

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Speaker 4: a very tough raider.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like the reason I bring this up is,

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Speaker 2: you both are busy and you have tons of plans.

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Speaker 2: You see what Travis Kelsey did at the charity softball game,

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Speaker 2: David and Joku part of tight End. You and Travis

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Speaker 2: Kelsey have gotten tight and Kelsey is originally from Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that. So there was a charity

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Speaker 2: softball game home run derby.

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Speaker 4: Oh, so I was gonna say he proposed to Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: And so the the person who's better known as Taylor

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Speaker 2: Swis's boyfriend showed up fashionably late, grabbed a bat. I

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Speaker 2: guess he play late high school baseball, and jacked eleven

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Speaker 2: and the swing was pretty pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I did not see that clip. I saw a clip.

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Speaker 3: There was an elderly woman who had like a bunt

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Speaker 2: Oh geez, these NFL guys are a little too competitive

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Speaker 2: at times. All about the competition, Paul pathologically competitive at times.

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Speaker 2: What we do here on underground, So free advice right there,

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Speaker 2: which will not be adopted as usual. But I just thought,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I thought, be a concept we'll have.

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Speaker 4: We'll have his people, We'll let his people know.

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Speaker 2: His people will talk to the people that I don't have. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Kyler has spoken, the QB has spoken. I did not realize,

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Speaker 2: Darren m So I read your article on easycordinals dot

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, in a press conference setting. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Among other things, he said, there's definitely juice about this team.

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Speaker 2: What else stood out here we go around the Horn's

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Speaker 2: what stood out during the Kyler Murray press conference that

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the fact that he talked about how

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Speaker 4: It just doesn't feel that way. It feels like Kurt

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Speaker 2: There's what he said, and then there's how he said it.

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Speaker 3: I think it says a lot, and not just about

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Speaker 3: Kyler's at mentally and the support he's clearly feeling from

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Speaker 3: When talking about his I mean James Connor and everything

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Speaker 3: a little more this year. Michael Wilson and the expectation

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Speaker 3: not because there was a lot wrong in his rookie year,

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Speaker 3: to time his rookie year. I thought what Kyler said

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Speaker 3: though about Greg Dortch was really intriguing, kind of made

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Speaker 3: that Dorch has the savviness and the nuance that you

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Speaker 3: can't coach in a receiver. There's no question in Kyler's

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Speaker 3: mind whether or not Dortch can create separation and get open.

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Speaker 3: And Kyler said if George were six ' three, he'd

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Speaker 4: It's funny you talk about how he was talking. Because

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Speaker 4: of all time in the nflustry. But that said, this

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Speaker 4: Again with the nuance, but he's not just saying that

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Speaker 4: He's using phrases like you know, Greg Dortch has got

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Speaker 4: the fact that he gives you something besides cliches, and

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Speaker 4: he said it that was high praise. You know, we

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Speaker 4: how he kind of goes about it. Where it feels

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Speaker 2: For him to try and explain to the media, but

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Speaker 2: it's like to play NFL quarterback for him to try

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Speaker 4: See I don't know. I mean we know, Paul. You

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Speaker 4: know you're the quarterback of this podcast. You oftentimes talk

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Speaker 2: Just because there isn't a game plan here doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: I can't call an audible and uh, you know, fill

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Speaker 2: then if you want to pick on yours. Truly, I

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Speaker 4: He wanted to answer you better than the first question.

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Speaker 2: Well, I figured maybe the second swing I'd either get

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Speaker 4: Maybe you had a better question, though.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just asked him. I said, if if Marvin

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Speaker 2: But well, I'll give you an example that comes to mind.

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Speaker 4: And so in the end though, let's face it, there's

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Speaker 4: Like Kyler, Murray's going to make some mistakes if he

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Speaker 2: And then Kyler came into this studio and did a

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Speaker 2: everyone who questioned whether there would be buying from Kyler

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Speaker 3: Kyler called his offensive coordinator a genius. I don't think

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Speaker 3: you're saying that if you don't actually mean it. The

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Speaker 3: even if that's just Kyler feeling even more comfortable having

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Speaker 4: The first thing I thought when he was talking about

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Speaker 4: Do the like the scene, but just super imposed Drew's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, why do you do that, Paul?

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Speaker 2: He said, then you can just let the quote freaky

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Speaker 2: that's something we heard from the day he was drafting.

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Speaker 2: He didn't like necessarily having his number called in the

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Speaker 2: But what was more interesting about that was he said,

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Speaker 2: it's not sustainable, no, to just make the It's like

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Speaker 2: You can't do that in the NFL. The offense isn't

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Speaker 4: We saw that at the beginning of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Myself, five, by the way, a five piece, there.

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Speaker 4: Is no way this is cool. And you know, Kyler's

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Speaker 4: This isn't an offense. This is Kyler moving around and

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Speaker 3: That doesn't sound as optimistic as you typically.

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking of that era of Cardinals football. How about

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Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily well coached. To now we're maybe not

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Speaker 2: if I'm dan Quinn, I'm calling in my offensive coordinator

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Speaker 4: If you're Dan Quinn and you notice that quote, what

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Speaker 3: And to say all the Cardinals have done this offseason

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Speaker 2: And that's where the most bullish expectations come. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: And it's not just the offense that we can expect

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Speaker 4: I'm curious and I don't want to take too heard

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Speaker 2: I'm going to buy you a moment to get some

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Speaker 3: sense to have high expectations. Again, I've said this for

436
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and say I'm expecting

437
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Speaker 3: a ten or twelve win season, but I think to

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Speaker 3: have higher expectations is fair for this team.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I'll just say that I don't know what

440
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Speaker 4: it means in the win total, but seeing what we

441
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Speaker 4: saw the last month six weeks that team and what

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Speaker 4: they were doing even without the I mean, eventually the

443
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Speaker 4: winds have to come, that's bottom line. But seeing what

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Speaker 4: that team was doing, that's energizing to a fan base.

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Speaker 4: I would think.

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Speaker 2: I would also say that every year at this time,

447
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 2: every team is over at Skis with expectation. It's sort

448
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Speaker 2: of the way it works.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why, and I'm not this not just Cardinals.

450
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 3: But you know, being online and seeing other teams have

451
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Speaker 3: press conferences, I love it when I see a coach

452
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Speaker 3: or a player and it's always this is the best

453
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Speaker 3: off season I've ever had in my career. I love that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say which team it was, but

455
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 3: there was a coach and it was it was not

456
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals. It was a different team, and the coach

457
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 3: was saying it was the best off season he'd had

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Speaker 3: with his quarterback and never you know, they hadn't been

459
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Speaker 3: to levels to two of them, And I'm just like,

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Speaker 3: what else? I know, the question, I guess has to

461
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Speaker 3: get asked, but what else do you expect them to say? Like,

462
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Speaker 3: I don't know, this time last year they looked a

463
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 3: little more locked in, a little more in shape, so

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Speaker 3: you know, we've got a ways to go. That's like, no,

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Speaker 3: you're not going to There's.

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Speaker 4: Nothing else you can say though, between it's the greatest

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Speaker 4: off season we've ever had and.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so this is the best my body's ever fit. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, guys, they're all vine for the Rex Ryan Ward,

470
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Speaker 2: the hardware we hand out every year for winning the

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Speaker 2: off season, So you can't blame them.

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Speaker 3: See you said that and the second time you just

473
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Speaker 3: brought this up, I still did not think that's where

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Speaker 3: you were going with that. That's twice. Now you've got me.

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Speaker 4: I see, I know that as the years go by,

476
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 4: my body never feels better that next year. It's a

477
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Speaker 4: declining situation.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, even Carolina thinks it has a chance

479
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: this here, FYI, they don't. But there's also there is

480
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Speaker 2: also just the nature of the NFL. I don't have

481
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Speaker 2: it right in front of me, but every season since

482
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety there have been four new playoff teams in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, and like eighteen of the last twenty years

484
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Speaker 2: has been at least one team that's gone worse the first.

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Speaker 2: So the NFL, more than any other league, brings hope

486
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Speaker 2: every season that you can be one of those teams

487
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Speaker 2: to change the script. I mean, right now, talk about

488
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Speaker 2: over your skis. I'm about to do a head or

489
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Speaker 2: off a triple black diamond. I have the Houston Texans

490
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: winning the Super Bowl over the Green Bay Packers. So

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Speaker 2: that's my prediction right here, right now.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's really that crazy. Maybe no,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Definitely had hotter takes. Let's just say that.

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Speaker 4: This is true. I don't even know if that would

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Speaker 4: fitness top ten.

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Speaker 2: Well, don't worry. I have a few coming and a

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Speaker 2: little bit later in this addition of Cardinals Underground, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Pacific Office off the Nation. A little

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Speaker 2: bit later we'll get By the way, you guys need

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Speaker 2: a rant around here? Where was the rant that I

502
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: was going to throw out there? You know, because tis

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Speaker 2: the season for all the lists, right, Actually, i'll start

504
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Speaker 2: with one that I think finally, we'll start with the

505
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Speaker 2: one where the Cardinals finally gets some respect. In a

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Speaker 2: list nfl dot com, they listed the rankings of the

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Speaker 2: rookie and veteran combinations QB and wide receiver, where one

508
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Speaker 2: component is a rookie the other is a veteran, whether

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Speaker 2: it's the quarterback or the receiver.

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Speaker 4: That's awful specific there, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Number one, Kyler Murray, Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 3: And then Chicago's got to be on there, right, Caleb.

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Speaker 2: Williams, DJ Moore number two, Josh Allen, Keyon Coleman number three,

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, Justin Jefferson number four. By the way, I

515
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: did not realize Justin Jefferson over the last four games

516
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Speaker 2: without Kirk Cousins, he had a game where he went

517
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Speaker 2: for one hundred and forty yards game. We were like,

518
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 2: for one hundred and seventy yards. I did not realize that.

519
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: And then number five Jayden Daniels and Terry McLaurin.

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Speaker 4: You need to go back to twenty eleven to watch

521
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: fits his games and then you'll be like, oh, yeah,

522
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: that does happen.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, in the very rare instances, you're right, a

524
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: receiver can make a quarterback. But times out of ten, well,

525
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: in case.

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Speaker 4: There's a difference between the receiver putting up big stats

527
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Speaker 4: with a lesser quarterback and winning games out of it.

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Speaker 4: The Vikings weren't winning, and then twenty eleven Cardinals didn't

529
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Speaker 4: get to do much either.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so here's my rant. Okay, NFL dot Com ten

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Speaker 2: rookies in the most favorable positions to succeed in year

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Speaker 2: one and beyond Danny your choice. Say it again. Who's

533
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Speaker 2: the quarterback for Chicago? Caleb Williams number one, Xavier Worthy

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Speaker 2: number two.

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Speaker 4: Why does that make you surprise? You said that, like

536
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Speaker 4: you're surprised.

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Speaker 2: Because you're going to be the number three option at

538
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Speaker 2: best with the canpensation to put up.

539
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Speaker 4: A thousand yards. It said, who's in the most.

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Speaker 2: Favorable, favorable position to succeed? But if you're the number

541
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Speaker 2: three target at best, I'm getting to my point. Then

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00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: they go to Joe All number three. Okay, I get this.

543
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: Who else here? They have a roll Madonsay number six?

544
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: Really roma doonsay when he's got Keenan Allen and DJ

545
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: Moore ahead of him. The point I'm making here, Marvin

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Speaker 2: Harrison Junior is not on this list most favorable positions

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Speaker 2: to succeed when he's gonna be wide receiver one from

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Speaker 2: the get go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I feel the quarterback who's got an accurate strong arm.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you're equating favorable position to succeed and

551
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 4: putting up astronomical numbers is equal. And I don't see that.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's exactly my point. I don't know what

553
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison is gonna do. But right now, when you're

554
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: automatically wide receiver one from day one versus Xavier Worthy

555
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: and Romaduonnsay or wide.

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Speaker 4: Receiver three, I get you where you're a dounza. I

557
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: don't care if they're wide receiver one, two, or three.

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Speaker 4: I think Worthy should be higher than Marvin Harrison because

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00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 4: he's got Patrick Mahomes throwing to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I respectfully disagree. I mean, you know, if

561
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Speaker 2: it was if it was Patrick Mahomes versus Bryce Young.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to bag on Carolina, but then you're doing a lot,

563
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Speaker 2: then the difference would be so vast that I would

564
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: agree with you, But in this case not so much.

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Speaker 3: I think Roma Dunza is an interesting one because he's

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Speaker 3: currently third on the depth chart and also has a

567
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Speaker 3: rookie quarterback look. You can say, you know, how realistic

568
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Speaker 3: it is for Caleb Williams to carry over the success

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Speaker 3: from college and the pros right first over I pick

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. I still think it's it's hard to

571
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Speaker 3: say what kind of projection he'll have with a rookie

572
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Speaker 3: QB for a couple of years. I mean, think of

573
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Speaker 3: how many quarterbacks are so great in college and whether

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Speaker 3: it's coaching or the organization or them as a player,

575
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: and there's a reason something doesn't work out, Like I right,

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Speaker 3: it just kind of seems interesting that a Dounza would

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Speaker 3: be on there, given like the situation with Williams.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little surprised Harrison's not on the list. I

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Speaker 4: will give you that, Paul.

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Speaker 3: So the Bears just start making your own list, Paul.

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Speaker 4: The Bears.

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Speaker 2: The Bears are on the home schedule. The Lions are

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Speaker 2: on the home schedule week three with Detroit right. So yes,

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Speaker 2: So Dan Campbell had the quote of the week in

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Speaker 2: our opinion when he told the media quote, we know

586
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Speaker 2: what it says on paper, but we can't do the

587
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Speaker 2: Ron Burgundy. We can't just continue to read off the teleprompter,

588
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: meaning you just.

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Speaker 4: Can't stay classy San Diego.

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Speaker 2: You just can't do you know, just do the same

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00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: thing over and over and sort of go through the

592
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Speaker 2: motions and read the prompter that you have to grow defensively, offensively,

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Speaker 2: Dan Campbell, we have to get better. We just can't

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Speaker 2: show up and read off the prompter.

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Speaker 4: Have either of you guys ever? Actually, for REO worked

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Speaker 4: off a prompter for years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, not nearly as long as Paul I didn't

598
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Speaker 3: love it. But when I was working in a newsroom, yes,

599
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: did you ever get messed with?

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Speaker 2: No? But my famous story with the teleprompter.

601
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Speaker 4: Was, oh, this is gonna be good.

602
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Speaker 2: My first gig Medford, Oregon, Big Market Market one nine

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Speaker 2: there you go, weekend sports anchor. And we used to

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Speaker 2: watch the other two stations and they would watch us,

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00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: and everyone would raid each other. And you're twenty two

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00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: years old and everyone most everyone's nervous, is all get out.

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Speaker 2: You're on the air.

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Speaker 4: Well, boom goes a dynamite.

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Speaker 2: We exactly a lot of those. Okay. There was a

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Speaker 2: guy who did the live shot who was a one

611
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Speaker 2: man man live shot and he locked down his camera.

612
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Speaker 2: Except he didn't lock it down. So it was at

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Speaker 2: a monster truck race when the truck roared by and

614
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: was like an earthquake, and so the whole camera fell

615
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Speaker 2: over on live TV and he tried to get in

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Speaker 2: front of it and finish the live shot. It was

617
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Speaker 2: just an absolute disaster because somebody back of the station

618
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Speaker 2: wasn't switching it. But in this case, you would run

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Speaker 2: your own prompter with a foot pedal. Our competitor were

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Speaker 2: not you. We at least had a teleprompter operator who

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Speaker 2: came in some college intern And the disasters that would

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Speaker 2: unfold by people who were so locked in to the

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Speaker 2: prompter and they would get nervous and they'd step on

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Speaker 2: it like they're accelerating under the freeway. Right in front

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Speaker 2: of them, and then they still had two and a

626
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Speaker 2: half minutes to kill on a sports cast and they

627
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Speaker 2: had nothing because back then it was paper getting fed

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Speaker 2: through a projector you had nothing. And so yes, that

629
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Speaker 2: was highly entertaining. If only only was the video h

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Speaker 2: back then in social media it would uh that's that

631
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Speaker 2: would live in infamy like Boom goes a dynamite, no doubt.

632
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: So where were we exactly on this front?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I was enjoying that.

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Speaker 2: I was I was ranting about the about that list

635
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: and the list season needs to stop. That's the best

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00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: thing about training camp. Then we're done with the June

637
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: and July. That's all that happens right now is lists.

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00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: That's right, you know.

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00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: And you know who reads all the lists, Paul calvic As.

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Speaker 4: He's proven on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 2: You know, I just get you got to take issue

642
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: with something over here?

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00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 4: Okay? Uh you know what really grinds my gears?

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00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay. By the way, Mina Kimes really bullish on

645
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals. Is that because she's so familiar with

646
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: the NFC West, being a Seahawks hank is.

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Speaker 4: That I will say this when I have seen it.

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00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that she's super bullish on the overall team,

649
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: but she does definitely seem to really like the running

650
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: game that they put together and what Drew Pettsing has

651
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 4: done with a running game, and I think that is

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00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: fair for a running game that was top five. And

653
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: it goes back to what you were saying before, which

654
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: is with what they've built, I don't know if you

655
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: need Kyle. I mean a few years ago, if you

656
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: would have said this team was a really awesome running team,

657
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: it would be in large part because Kyler was doing

658
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 4: justin Field's Lamar Jackson type things, and that's just not

659
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: the case. And yet they're still running for a tony yards.

660
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: And that's what Kyler also mentioned in that interview with

661
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: Arizona Sports that when he's under center, it does keep

662
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: a defense honest, that it's not as easy to discern

663
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: what's coming a defense's way. And remember, we've had a

664
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: number of defensive linemens say over the years, most notably

665
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: Zach Allen before he went to Denver saying that when

666
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: he's it's third and two and a team gets in

667
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: the gun, he loves it because it wipes out half

668
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: the playbook. He doesn't have to consider half the things

669
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: that you typically would come in your way as a

670
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: defensive lineman. So I get it. I get with what

671
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: you know Kyler's talking about in that regard, but just

672
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: the way in which he met the media last week,

673
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: and again he was really affable, he was.

674
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 4: Really encouraged Kyler, not Zach Allen.

675
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: And Ron Wolfley. Yes, and Ron Wolfley and I had

676
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: this conversation, Okay, what do you attribute it to? Do

677
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: you attribute it to this natural maturation? Which were his words, right?

678
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: I think you used that off the top of your

679
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: article on Ezy Cardinals dot com.

680
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: Well, because I asked him kind of where he was

681
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: kind of mentally with everything, and he and he it

682
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: was funny. I was going just with being happy, and

683
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: he took it right to the maturation part, which I

684
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: thought was kind of interesting, just because I feel like

685
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: if we, as the media, quote unquote, had brought that

686
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: up a couple of years ago, I think he would

687
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: have gotten a liltle defense about that, about that he's

688
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: in the middle of a maturation process and it's still happening.

689
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: But now he seems to kind of acknowledge that, Oh yeah,

690
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: that kind of happened.

691
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: Well was Do you think there's cause and effect though,

692
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: for example, season any knee injury, first major injury of

693
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: his football career. Do you think that sort of reset

694
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: things for him made him appreciate the game more, his

695
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 2: place in the game a little more. You lose something

696
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: for the first time that you value that much, it's

697
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 2: got to hit the reset button maybe on your perspective.

698
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: I know for a fact that there are people close

699
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 4: to Kyler that felt like as horrible as what not,

700
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 4: that they wished it on him, but that you could

701
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: get easily get a silver lining out of it, that

702
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 4: he had never really faced adversity and this was going

703
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 4: to kind of help him understand how he could lose something.

704
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: He's also just getting older, That's I think it's something

705
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 3: you know, you have to remind yourself of. These rookies

706
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: are coming out of college, some of them twenty one

707
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 3: years old, and that just takes time for anyone. And

708
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: then you throw in everything else they're doing for their

709
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: job and the money and all that stuff. I do

710
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: think to a certain extent like this just kind of

711
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: happens with age. I would think though the time that

712
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: Kyler spent not away or by himself. He was very

713
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: much around the facility when he was rehabbing in all

714
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: of that last year. But I think it also probably

715
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: ties into what he was mentioning in the press conference

716
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: about being one of the older players in the locker room. Darren,

717
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: you included an article this is the first time Kyler

718
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: has not been the youngest quarterback in the room, right,

719
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: And you look around at all the other the veterans,

720
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: and I know that we've heard from players about how

721
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: Kyler might be one of the more soft spoken type

722
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: of leaders, but is leading that locker room. And I

723
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: think you look in the past of the big personalities

724
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: that were handling a lot of that leadership in the

725
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: locker room, and I would imagine that with all the

726
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: change on a personal level and how that plays to

727
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: Kyler in his career and then the professional level in

728
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: terms of looking at all the changes within this building,

729
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: it seems like Kyler has really come to the understanding

730
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: of this is the time I've got to step up, right,

731
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: this is when I really have to step up as

732
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: a leader in multiple aspects. And he's really been doing that.

733
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 4: I think, and I think of what you just said,

734
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 4: Paul about the injury being the reset, I think in

735
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 4: a lot of ways, and you don't want to have

736
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: it go that way for a lot of reasons. But

737
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: I think he needed the team to reset. I think

738
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: he needed players to leave. I think he needed coach

739
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: to leave. I think he needed that reset if he

740
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 4: was going to be your quarterback. And I think that's

741
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 4: a big part of it too. It's funny he called

742
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 4: Drew Petsing a genius, and Drew, I'm telling you right now,

743
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 4: I'm sure you're absolutely genius. But on the NFL level,

744
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: I mean, Kyler's had two guys to it's Cliff and Drew,

745
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: So you know, I don't know if he's a genius,

746
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: but he's these Obviously Kyler fits with what he's doing

747
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 4: a lot better, and that that's all you can ask for.

748
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: And that's why I think it's kind of funny sometimes

749
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 4: when people keep talking about how they need to move

750
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 4: on from Kyler, I'm like, how would you know that?

751
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: Like I would? I would forgetting the situation they're in

752
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 4: a side I would be pained to not see what

753
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 4: Kyler could do in a full year, in a full

754
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 4: offseason in this offense and what it could be. I

755
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 4: would die of well, curiosity.

756
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: That's the other component that I went Peter Brady another

757
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: reference in that Danny doesn't understand the uh. So then

758
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: you have the other aspect of it, and that is,

759
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: guess what, if you're not on board, then you're off

760
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: the roster. Get on or get out. And when the

761
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: team got rid of Isaiah Simmons at the end of

762
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: training camp for a seventh round pick, former number eight

763
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: pick overall, and then slowly but surely made others sick,

764
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: magnificant cuts, Marco Wilson's of the world and parted ways

765
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: with different guys zach Ertz. Zach Ertz, When Kyler Murray

766
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: sees Baker Mayfield cut right very close with Bake and

767
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: you know, a guy who was Heisman winner, number one

768
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: pick overall, all these things happen, and I think maybe

769
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: Kyler realized, Yeah, guess what, it can unravel. It can

770
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: dissolve in a hurry, even if you're a number one

771
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: pick overall. So to me, I think that's.

772
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: All part of it.

773
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: Perhaps, But when Darren put in his article that there

774
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: are four and only four teammates on this roster since

775
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: his selection in twenty nineteen, his rookie campaign for bonus

776
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: points red Sea. Can you even name the four I

777
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: have it in.

778
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: Front of me players that were here in twenty.

779
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: Nineteen, twenty nineteen.

780
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: Still, I think I actually Buddha Baker, Dennis Gardek, Oh,

781
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: Aaron Brewer. Yep, Oh that's only three, right, I'm missing

782
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: one more.

783
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: There's one more, and I would not have gotten this

784
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: one because I didn't realize. But he must have been

785
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: a rookie in nineteen as well. Was he the supplemental

786
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: pick fifth round in nineteen?

787
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: Oh?

788
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: Is this Jalen Thompson?

789
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: Yes? So those are the so yeah.

790
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: Now, also note that, especially when you have a coaching change,

791
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: to have that kind of turnover in a five year

792
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: NFL period is not really that crazy. I mean, you'd

793
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 4: like to have more people over, but I think if

794
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: you go back to a couple of the times when

795
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: they've had coaching changes here and you look five years

796
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: down the road, that tends to happen.

797
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: Keep in mind, though, in the four draft classes just

798
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: prior to Maniasin for twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one, and

799
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: twenty two, there were thirty two draft picks. Only six remain.

800
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not good.

801
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: So there's been a lot of turnover, a lot of turnover,

802
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: and you can't tell me that Kyler doesn't see that

803
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: as well and realize, guess what, even as the number

804
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 2: one pick overall, even with two Pro bowls on my resume,

805
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: you either produce or they'll find someone else. And so

806
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: I think all that has factored in. He joked about

807
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: how he's been here virtually every single day and it

808
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: hasn't been rehabbing.

809
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 4: No, although he did say that that's an ongoing process.

810
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: I didn't know I asked him about.

811
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: That was interesting, yeah, because he was.

812
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 4: In right away and I'm like, and he's doing stuff

813
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: with Buddy, And he did note that note that the

814
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 4: knee continues to get some I don't want to say

815
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 4: extra work, but you got to continue to know that

816
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 4: that happened once upon a time and continue to work

817
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: on it.

818
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: See.

819
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: That didn't strike me as odd because in any I

820
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: feel like with any body part that you surgery on,

821
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: you continue, I mean, whether you call it rehab or not,

822
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: you you pay a little bit more attention to it

823
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: of figuring out what hurts and just weather affected and

824
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: maybe adding in some more stretching like So that didn't

825
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 3: necessarily strike me as ooh, is he not one hundred percent?

826
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: Is he not going to ever go like that? That

827
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: to me, I understand the question of what you're saying,

828
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: but that did not concern me at all to hear that.

829
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 4: No, And I again, for whatever reason, he is around

830
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: all the time. Now. I think this team has done

831
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 4: a very nice job with some of their higher profile

832
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: players of inserting certain clauses in their contract that pay them.

833
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 4: Some of these players a good chunk of money to

834
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 4: do the offseason work, and I'm sure that is partly

835
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 4: the motivation for the Kylers and the Buddhas among others.

836
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 4: But still they're here, are we? Just for the record,

837
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: did you get a bonus for being here?

838
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 3: The bonus is just being here, Darren and going into.

839
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: This mandatory mini camp. If you had to give me

840
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: one quote, and one quote only from the recent off

841
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: season that I can sync my teeth into, it's when

842
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon said about Kyler Murray quote, it's kind of

843
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: eye popping the kind of command that he has on

844
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: the practice field. The defense knows they'd better be ready

845
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: to roll or they will get diced. And I love

846
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: the versatility and the way we play multiple ways on offense.

847
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: So once again, it's just that sort of command that

848
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: I don't think Kyler really had till the final month

849
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: of last season, and then to be able to build

850
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: on that and then build the chemistry. I used to

851
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 2: always dismiss the off season chemistry or the receivers until

852
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: Drew Stanton sand in that chair over a year ago

853
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: and pretty much ripped me from head to toe about

854
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: what are you talking about. It's vital the quarterback receiver

855
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: chemistry that you build in the off season and some

856
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: of these practices. So okay, you know, dually noted by

857
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: yours truly, And look, it was a challenge last year,

858
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: I mean far greater, and I tried to think of

859
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: a way to ask that question of Kyler just now

860
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: that you're removed from last season, what was the degree

861
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: of difficulty just showing up mid season, no training camp.

862
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: Everyone else is playing regular season game speed and you

863
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: just have to jump in.

864
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 4: Well, this doesn't answer your question anywhere close to fully,

865
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 4: but just on the knee part of it, he acknowledged

866
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: there were times when his knee was more sore than

867
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 4: he was expecting, or he didn't have the deflection and

868
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 4: the and the ability to bend it as much as

869
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: he was expecting after a game, and that was something

870
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 4: he was dealing with. And that's just with the knee itself.

871
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: That has nothing to do with any of the other,

872
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 4: quite quite frankly more important things that you would be

873
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 4: dealing with as a starting quarterback.

874
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: By the way, you see where we're keeping track of

875
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: the Colts because Cardinals are going there for the joint

876
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: practice in the preseason game. Anthony Richardson had to come

877
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: out of their final mini camp practice because of a

878
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: sore throwing shoulder, which was surgically repaired in the off season.

879
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: What was the list you saw him on though?

880
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 2: Oh, there was a CBS sport four games?

881
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 4: Why a gaslighting?

882
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: I'm not gas lighting?

883
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: Top?

884
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: Do I need to explain what gaslighting means to you?

885
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: Darren MVP candidates and Anthony Richardson is eighth? I mean,

886
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: come on, come on, I mean he showed a little promise,

887
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: but there were three games he didn't even finish in

888
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: those five games that he played before he had the season.

889
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 4: And shore was Kyler on that list?

890
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: No, he was like seventeenth or something.

891
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 4: So wait, how big was this list? Well?

892
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: It went through the top ten and then later like

893
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: he filled in the other you know. So yeah, that's

894
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff in the off season.

895
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 4: I'm waiting for the Paul Calvecy book of lists.

896
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: By the way, the beat writer for the Colts then

897
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: listed the backup quarterbacks for the Colts.

898
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't even know who they are.

899
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: I was going to say Joe Flacco.

900
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: Actually, isn't that I did not?

901
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: Sam Ellinger from Texas and the last one Darren for

902
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: bonus points here because you follow the local high school scene.

903
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: Scottsdale former Scottsdale Desert Mountain quarterback who went to USC,

904
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: former pupil of Kurt Warner when Kurt Warner was the

905
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: Ocia Desert Mountain. He also then ended up transferring like

906
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: four times to four different schools. Keten Slovas. Keten Slovas who,

907
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: by the way, the Colts beat.

908
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 4: Writer starting against the issue one game, I think.

909
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: Colts beat writer ahead, I'm listened to is Keaton Clovis

910
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: with a C. No, it's Slovas. So anyway you'll see him,

911
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 2: you can talk.

912
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 3: Why don't you let him know that when we see

913
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: him at joint practice? Hey, I saw this typeo A

914
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: couple months ago. I just wanted to let you know,

915
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 3: so there you go on that front.

916
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: Anything else I needed, since I'm always the last to

917
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: find out anything else I need to know about the preseason,

918
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: the training camp that you guys are in the know

919
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: about that I'll only find out later. Anything else, I mean.

920
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: You know about Anyanapolis, Paul, So I don't know where

921
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 4: else we can go.

922
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

923
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 3: I'm just excited for Darren to get a little break,

924
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: a little vacation. He deserves it.

925
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: What's Darren willing to divulge about his vacation plans.

926
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: I pray that I'm not sick while I'm on it.

927
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love that. I loved There was a

928
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: comment I think on YouTube of or maybe someone listening

929
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: on Apple or you know, Spotify wherever, of not seeing

930
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: the video of maybe Darren popping cough drops every ten minutes.

931
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: But someone made a comment about darren voice sounding different,

932
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: how much better he sounded, And no offense to you, Darren.

933
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: This guy's been like hacking up along the last like

934
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: two weeks, so that's why he sounds so different. Yeah,

935
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: he's trying to stay alive.

936
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 4: He had a good night's sleep in like a week

937
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: and a half.

938
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: He's going He's chugging these water bottles like crazy.

939
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 4: No doctor could tell me what it is.

940
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: Darren sounds like he's starting an infomercial right now for

941
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: some sort of cold remedy that is out in the market.

942
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: My goodness, wanted to sit next.

943
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: I love that someone loved the way your voice sounds

944
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: because you're you've been so sick.

945
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: So maybe we should in haste get out of the

946
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: studio before we get six. So I'll wrap it up.

947
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: This would be my segue down the stretch we come

948
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: any other great takeaways now that the off season work

949
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: is ending. Insummation of off season twenty twenty four, what would

950
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: you say about what you saw, what you heard? Darren,

951
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna, you know, have a Marguerite out on the

952
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: beach and maybe football might load into your mind occasionally.

953
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: What do you think will come to mind?

954
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 4: I mean, I think I come back to a lot

955
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 4: of what we've touched on today. In the bigger picture,

956
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's been a long time since I feel

957
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: like this team has felt like it does right now

958
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 4: in terms of the arrow pointing up in the right

959
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 4: way with some foundation under it. Now again, We'll see

960
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 4: what happens when we actually get to games. On a

961
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 4: recent mailbag, somebody asked me, have any of the draft

962
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 4: picks from third round and beyond like further down stood out?

963
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I mean, one, we can't even report

964
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 4: on most of the practices we've seen, but more importantly,

965
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 4: like right now isn't going to tell you much. Let's

966
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 4: see what we get in camp. But I do think

967
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 4: I'm very excited to go to camp to see some

968
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 4: of those things, to see some of those rookies, to

969
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: see not only you know, whether Marvin is all that

970
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: in a bag of chips, but also like what some

971
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 4: of this the rest of this draft class, how impactful

972
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: they will be right away?

973
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: The energy has been high. I think about standing inches

974
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: away from the d line out at these practices and

975
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: just seeing the energy. And I don't just mean they're

976
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 3: jumping around and dancing music and have a good time.

977
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the energy is they're going through drills.

978
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: The energy is when they pair up, people like Bolon

979
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: Nichols and Justin Jones going at it and hyping each

980
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: other up and letting each other know what they did

981
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: well and what they could be better at and watching

982
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: Dante still is in year two really kind of come

983
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: into his own and Ben Stilly coaching up Darius Robinson,

984
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: the rookie out there. I mean, you really can feel

985
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: that this team is becoming more formidable.

986
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of the football side of it, the

987
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: x's and o's, I would start with the D line.

988
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: It's such a marked difference from a year ago. Just

989
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: when you stand out there, Oh my goodness, Okay, there

990
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: was a before and after here the D line. Now

991
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: beyond that, just sort of the burial, the vibe, you know,

992
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: the feeling you get. We've all been around teams that

993
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: believed in what they had in the locker room. Players

994
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 2: know players, players know if they're gonna have a chance

995
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: to compete. Players know if you have a chance to win,

996
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: and those are two different things. I think a year ago,

997
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: minus Kyler Murray, Okay, we're gonna compete. Not sure what

998
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: the ultimate confidence level was, You're gonna be able to win.

999
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: I do get the sense this team's looking at each

1000
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: other saying, hey, guys, we got enough to win.

1001
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: And I don't believe in momentum at all, not when they're.

1002
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: So certainly not one season to the next But.

1003
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 4: I believe in what they showed on the field with

1004
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 4: this coaching staff absolutely can be duplicated going forward, and

1005
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: I believe it will be. And I think that also,

1006
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 4: along with everything else, makes a big difference.

1007
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: To me.

1008
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: That's not momentum, that's confidence, and I absolutely think that

1009
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 3: carries over.

1010
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: And there are certain things that carry over every week. Look,

1011
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: you're not gonna have your best passing game or you

1012
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: know your best in terms of the skill sets and

1013
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: so forth. It might vary, but the physicality carries over

1014
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: week to week if you're bringing that sort of effort, urgency.

1015
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: Intensity, the expectation, the standards that are set, so.

1016
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: At the very least, you can count on that. And

1017
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: we saw that when there was nothing to play for

1018
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: in December and January. Cardinals went in and we're the

1019
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: more physical team in Pittsburgh, the more physical team against Philadelphia. Heck,

1020
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: I venture to say they were the more physical team

1021
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: that rematch with the forty nine ers when they ran

1022
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: for over two hundred yards. Just Niners have such a

1023
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: ridiculous amount of skill that that was the difference in

1024
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: the game. So but we'll know right away, you'll know

1025
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 2: out of the Gates at Buffalo. You'll know in week

1026
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: two against the Nemesis Sean McVay, you're gonna get an

1027
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: answer right away, which I think is equally as compelling.

1028
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: So all right, what else? Anything else here, Darren? You? Uh? Okay,

1029
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: the media day, Media day, what looks like it was

1030
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: a clock work from all you, all the plenty.

1031
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 3: Rain up perfectly, Okay, so much so that I am

1032
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: ready for a nap early morning.

1033
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, there you go, uh mandatory mini

1034
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 2: camp this week and then let there be an off season.

1035
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