Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 3: Everybody is the j n Vy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the
Speaker 3: guy we are the Breakfast Club just is out today.
Speaker 3: Lord l Rosa filling in and we got a special
Speaker 3: guest in the building.
Speaker 2: He's back. Ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Coog. We welcome back.
Speaker 1: Brother. Man. It's nice to be here.
Speaker 4: We feel I'm feeling good, Bro, feeling good. We just
Speaker 4: mary our movie last night. You know, so happy to
Speaker 4: happy to be at this stage. You're putting it out.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm happy to be here talking to you
Speaker 4: all about it.
Speaker 2: Man, Think about Ryan.
Speaker 5: No matter what Ryan is doing, no matter how long
Speaker 5: he in Hollywood, that Oakland do not get up.
Speaker 2: You can hear every.
Speaker 5: Time you're talking about I feel like you're about to
Speaker 5: ask me what's said I'm from.
Speaker 1: Tripping, Bro. We don't.
Speaker 4: We don't even now we ask why in Oakland? Bro,
Speaker 4: That's that's the la thing. Ask you about that.
Speaker 2: But how do you stay so rounded though?
Speaker 5: Like you can hear the Oakland in you, Like you're
Speaker 5: doing movies that got ninety million dollar budgets.
Speaker 2: But it don't changes.
Speaker 4: Just my actions how I talk about can't change it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's yeah, I can't just like I
Speaker 4: Amy something like he's from New York, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just I think what it is. It's
Speaker 1: not a lot of us.
Speaker 4: From like that, from like that era, like me and
Speaker 4: me and me and mar Shaun about the same age.
Speaker 2: He's another oneand they never leave.
Speaker 4: Dan Dame Dang literally quite younger than us, but he
Speaker 4: like of that of that era.
Speaker 1: But Dame a little you know what I'm saying, Dame
Speaker 1: a little bit younger.
Speaker 4: You know, we we it's just certain like like every
Speaker 4: every era of Oakland talk a little talk talks a
Speaker 4: little different, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like my mom.
Speaker 4: Her, she she talks very proper, but but but but
Speaker 4: it also has a little a little bit of the
Speaker 4: South in it, a little more of the South in
Speaker 4: it than than us. And my grandmother she's from you know,
Speaker 4: born in put Out, the Texas. They moved oak until
Speaker 4: she was twelve, so she sounds completely like she like
Speaker 4: a Texan, you know what I'm saying. And then it's
Speaker 4: like and it's like a class thing too. You feel
Speaker 4: me like my little brothers you know, we moved to Richmond,
Speaker 4: like I don't remember. I don't really remember Oakland, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And and we went we went
Speaker 4: to Catholic school. You feel me so like like they
Speaker 4: action is slightly different from mine to you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like my like my my action. I know
Speaker 4: exactly where it's from, the areas from it got locked
Speaker 4: in when I was like seven or eight years old.
Speaker 4: And it's funny because my mom's just it's actually funny.
Speaker 4: My mom remember when my actions started to change because
Speaker 4: I started hanging out. She was like, hey man, you're
Speaker 4: talking like them, you know, saying, talking like them, you
Speaker 4: know outside you know what I'm saying'snna get stuck like that?
Speaker 1: So my whole life I gotta, I gotta. I never
Speaker 1: have to explain it, you know what i'mer stand. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, bro, it's it's it's just how I talk.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't talk about different.
Speaker 2: Listen, I love it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you mentioned Centers yesterday, that the
Speaker 3: preview was yesterday the press, I should say, so explain
Speaker 3: to people what Centers is about. I'm sure they seen
Speaker 3: the commercial they've seen the trailers, but what is centers about?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's like the plot or yeah, yeah, the plot.
Speaker 4: It's about two twin brothers who come home to their
Speaker 4: hometown and Clarkson, Mississippi, after about seven years in Chicago.
Speaker 4: Uh and they kind of, you know, they basically gangsters,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and very notorious, and they
Speaker 4: come home and pick up their little cousin who's this
Speaker 4: Who's this bluest prodigy and they got plans of opening
Speaker 4: up a juke joint, you know, which is like a
Speaker 4: black night club at that time.
Speaker 1: And uh so it's a twenty four hour movie.
Speaker 4: They gather wrap all all their friends from their past
Speaker 4: who you know, to start this business, and then you know,
Speaker 4: vampire ends up showing up and you know, things go
Speaker 4: a little left.
Speaker 5: How difficult was it directing one actor for two different
Speaker 5: roles because Michael be Jordan's playing the twin brothers.
Speaker 1: I mean it was, man, it was Yeah, I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 4: I guess I wouldn't want to talk about it like
Speaker 4: in terms of degree of difficulty, right, but but it
Speaker 4: was definitely complicated, you know what I'm saying. Like, but
Speaker 4: I got a I got a great team brought, got
Speaker 4: great producers, fantastic visual effects department, you know, and and
Speaker 4: we just came up with a plan and how to
Speaker 4: do it. I actually actually talked to a few filmmakers
Speaker 4: who had done things like it, you know. I was
Speaker 4: in conversation with christ Nolan, who's a mentor of mine,
Speaker 4: and he did a similar thing. He actually did a
Speaker 4: couple of movies that had that had like kind of
Speaker 4: twenty elements. He did a movie called The Prestige spoiler alert.
Speaker 4: It's some you know some it's a twin element in that.
Speaker 4: And then he also did a movie called Tenant that
Speaker 4: came out right right right at the start of the
Speaker 4: pandemic with with John David Washington, and because got characters
Speaker 4: going back and forth in time, like he got scenes
Speaker 4: with John David Washington's fighting himself, you know. So so
Speaker 4: so I talked with him a little bit. I was
Speaker 4: talking him about just the format that we shot the
Speaker 4: film in, and we talked a little bit of twin two.
Speaker 4: But there was another film back on named Sean Darkin
Speaker 4: who came up the sun Dans route, and he has
Speaker 4: just done he's just done a television series called Dead Ringers,
Speaker 4: the remake of a David Carnenberg film. But it started
Speaker 4: Rachel Weiss as twin Gyn in Collogists. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying that that that identical twin guy colleges played
Speaker 4: by one actor and I and I got on the
Speaker 4: phone with him for about He probably talked for about
Speaker 4: about an hour on how they how they made that,
Speaker 4: how they made that work, and he ran it down
Speaker 4: to me, uh, you know, kind of blowbile, blow at
Speaker 4: things I should be thinking about. And I'll be ever
Speaker 4: grateful that. I'll be ever grateful to Sean and I
Speaker 4: actually need to reach out to him, you know. But
Speaker 4: but you like, it's it's it's a lot, it's very
Speaker 4: very technical, but it's actually that it's actually the hardest
Speaker 4: on Mike, you know what I'm saying to be honest
Speaker 4: with you, because I'm you know, I'm I'm near with
Speaker 4: the Caaron trying and trying to work at all, and
Speaker 4: some day is more complicated. And I don't know if
Speaker 4: you'll just had a chance to see the film yet
Speaker 4: far parts of parts of okay, yeah, so so so
Speaker 4: for Michael, you know, you know, he had to he
Speaker 4: had to embody two completely different people who were identical twins,
Speaker 4: which is a very like unique specific type of person,
Speaker 4: right and on and on days where you know where
Speaker 4: the twins were interacting, you know, he would have to
Speaker 4: start the day as one character, you know, go get
Speaker 4: changed and come back and shoot another past as as
Speaker 4: another character.
Speaker 1: We had to cast a.
Speaker 4: Twin double, which is an actor who bastually is the
Speaker 4: same build, shape, height, complexion as Mike to act across
Speaker 4: from him so he can know where you know where
Speaker 4: to look.
Speaker 1: But somebody's not talking to himself. Okay.
Speaker 6: So when I was watching it, because even the first
Speaker 6: time you see them on camera and they're standing next
Speaker 6: to each other and I'm like, okay, I notice is technology.
Speaker 6: But I'm like, as an actor, I know you kind
Speaker 6: of feed off of like it's very like physical. So
Speaker 6: it was like, I wonder how Michael B. Jordan's like,
Speaker 6: what is he using to their interaction?
Speaker 2: Is yea, Now Lauren wants the stunt double number just
Speaker 2: like Michael. He built like can't get the original.
Speaker 1: The party build.
Speaker 6: When they killed a snake in the back of the truck,
Speaker 6: even that, I'm like, I mean that was something so small,
Speaker 6: but I'm like, you got to know where your people
Speaker 6: are to you know what I'm saying, I'm like, how
Speaker 6: did they do that?
Speaker 4: I mean, look a lot of work, man, you feel
Speaker 4: me like like we did a lot of work, but
Speaker 4: the most but real talk like the highest degree of
Speaker 4: difficulty was on Mike. Like acting is acting is an
Speaker 4: insanely difficult thing to do, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: to to be able to embody another another human being,
Speaker 4: you know, and in this case, he had to embody.
Speaker 4: He had to embody two of them that had to
Speaker 4: interdependent relationship on each other. Right, So we have to
Speaker 4: make sure that party.
Speaker 1: Could can act.
Speaker 4: But also Mike had to have to know what he
Speaker 4: was going to do, because Party is not Mike, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So you have to kind of like,
Speaker 4: you know, we have to kind of walk through, all right, well,
Speaker 4: what would he do when he smoke?
Speaker 1: Right? What would he do when he stacked?
Speaker 4: We had to decide who should go first, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Because we're doing that, whoever goes set
Speaker 4: think it's gonna have to really feed off what the
Speaker 4: first one was. They can't walk through the body of
Speaker 4: the other one even though they're not there. We got
Speaker 4: to map that out. You know it was very very technical, bro,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And uh but but I
Speaker 4: was so impressed with I was so impressed with what
Speaker 4: Michael was able to do, man Like, I think I
Speaker 4: think these I think these two performances are are his
Speaker 4: two best performances he's ever done, you know. And I've
Speaker 4: been there all of them, feel me. But I've been
Speaker 4: there for I've been there for some of the for
Speaker 4: some of the you know, some of the great ones.
Speaker 4: Always say like like, you know, I wasn't there for
Speaker 4: Jess Marshy. I wasn't there for Johnathan Jordan, you know,
Speaker 4: create to and creed three Hours of twel was an
Speaker 4: executive producer C three I produced. But uh but but
Speaker 4: as as far as like what I what I'm directing
Speaker 4: right there standing out to the camera watching him, you know,
Speaker 4: man like, like straight up like you know, ya, I
Speaker 4: haven't seen the movie with his two his two brothers.
Speaker 4: These dudes just gangsters, straight up, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like all the school gangsters, like the gangsters that the
Speaker 4: gangsters we came up under look, you know, came up
Speaker 4: on her, you know, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 4: World War One veterans and you know and and and
Speaker 4: one brother is is far more gangster than the other one.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, you were Actually it's funny
Speaker 4: because it was it was it was complicated because he's
Speaker 4: actually kind of cool, you know, like like constantly more
Speaker 4: cunning than anything. You got that funny story about Nelly, Bro,
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, what we said, he said,
Speaker 4: Nelly calmly.
Speaker 5: Told you, like I got a continuous for everybody be like, yo,
Speaker 5: who's the person that came to the show that made
Speaker 5: you feel like they were really you up?
Speaker 2: I'm like Nelly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like Nell, everybody be like Nelly is because he
Speaker 5: had such a calm demeanor about so where I'm from, Bro.
Speaker 4: You know, you had the guys that was You had
Speaker 4: the guys that was Rye and that didn't last long.
Speaker 4: You know, I mean I got killed early with the
Speaker 4: jail earlier. The dudes that the dudes that last the longest,
Speaker 4: the dudes that that was ship right there, and you
Speaker 4: don't even know they just decided that gonna have you act.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The real scary ones, even in New York were the
Speaker 3: ones that didn't say much, real quiet, real calm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are the ones you have to be scared.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's Smoke in the movie. And I'll never
Speaker 4: forget Bro. Like like days zero, when we were shooting,
Speaker 4: he came to shut out. He came to shut out
Speaker 4: of Smoke, and and and Ruth Carter, who's a legendary costumer.
Speaker 4: Because she came up to me, I could tell she
Speaker 4: was like a little bit, a little bit flustered, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. She was like, hey, you know
Speaker 4: I got these She's like, I got this jewelry, you know, Uh,
Speaker 4: you know I got I got different you know, like
Speaker 4: kind of getting costumes together. And she was saying like,
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, you know you gotta look at
Speaker 4: it and tell me what you what you what you want?
Speaker 4: Even have I put you know, I put both things
Speaker 4: on him, you know, And she kind of was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I could tell she kind of how to
Speaker 4: you know, so you watched some Mike walked up and
Speaker 4: and I've been doing like a long.
Speaker 1: Time, bro, you know, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 1: were hummy.
Speaker 4: You feel me, and it's somewhile these energies to making
Speaker 4: my blood run cold, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 4: so I asked the question that she went. I was
Speaker 4: like something about a bracelet, if you wanted a bracelet
Speaker 4: or some or not. And and I said, bro, do
Speaker 4: you want the bracelet on this on this arm for
Speaker 4: smoke or this arm? And he said, he said, I'm indifferent.
Speaker 4: But he sat in like this deep Southern action, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And I looked at him and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, ship character completely, like you know,
Speaker 4: he's completely somebody else, you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And he had like a thousand yard a thousand yards there,
Speaker 4: you feel me? And I was like, oh, maybe you
Speaker 4: gotta get to work. I put him right in the
Speaker 4: car and started, shoot, don't even know if I took
Speaker 4: the bracelet off or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you?
Speaker 2: How do you?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Two questions? Was this? Was that always the original plan
Speaker 2: for Michael to play both those guys?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: Okay, so I guess you can't get in his mind.
Speaker 5: But how do you, as a director prepare him to
Speaker 5: do different?
Speaker 4: That's a great question, bro, so so so so it's
Speaker 4: so deep to it, bro, But like, I don't know
Speaker 4: what neighborhood y'all from?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: For Queens? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And then South Carolina, sir, Yeah, so was it any
Speaker 4: was it any like hood twins and y'all when y'all grew.
Speaker 6: Up, it's always a set of hood twins.
Speaker 1: Okay that's what Yeah, but no, okay, where are you from?
Speaker 2: I'm from Delaware.
Speaker 1: I' from them to Delaware.
Speaker 6: It was actually god rest, So they just because they
Speaker 6: still was getting into it, they just passed away this
Speaker 6: past summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah together, Yeah, you knew something we had.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had I think one set of twins, but
Speaker 3: a lot of brothers, but one city twins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you got brothers, right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: But then you got twins like like so so like
Speaker 4: from a lot of the hoods, you got got twins,
Speaker 4: and and that would would be referred to as the twins.
Speaker 4: And when you see him, you can't some of the part,
Speaker 4: so a lot of people just call him twin, you know,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like like, I mean like,
Speaker 4: but but I used to think it was just like
Speaker 4: a West Coast thing. But then I've seen this film
Speaker 4: called The Craze and it was white twins. I was,
Speaker 4: I was, I was in you know, it was in
Speaker 4: Uh it was cock me and doing that doing that
Speaker 4: thing you know, and.
Speaker 1: I realized it was. It was, it was a whole thing.
Speaker 4: But but in Black culture, uh specifically West African culture,
Speaker 4: it's like a it's like a spiritual thing.
Speaker 1: They're like twin.
Speaker 4: Deities out of Europe, but out of the europe religion,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And the Yurope with people
Speaker 4: over indexing fraternal twins, you know, so as African Americans,
Speaker 4: we're most likely that we're more likely to have twins
Speaker 4: and other than other people. Right, but with identical twins,
Speaker 4: they scientifically don't even understand how it happens, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Still a mystery of how of how
Speaker 4: of how the feralized splits and why it does.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: And my mom's older sisters are identical twins, my Auntie
Speaker 4: Maryland and my Auntie Curlyn. They in their seventies now.
Speaker 4: They live right next door to each other. One of
Speaker 4: them was my godmother, you know what I'm saying. The
Speaker 4: other one I'm still I'm still super tight with. But
Speaker 4: they are completely identical, you know what I'm saying. With
Speaker 4: my whole life growing up, I could tell which one
Speaker 4: was which just by looking at how they hold they face,
Speaker 4: you know, what I'm saying, and what their energy is
Speaker 4: like when they walk into it they walk into a room, right.
Speaker 4: So it's something I've always been cognized up so I'm
Speaker 4: always thought about, you know, and I always wanted to
Speaker 4: explore it. And with this movie, I wanted to hire
Speaker 4: some twin consultants from Mike to talk to. I got
Speaker 4: two hommies named Noah and Logan Miller like white dudes,
Speaker 4: but they from They from the Bay Area, from from
Speaker 4: not not far from where park with the high school,
Speaker 4: right and they and they really like Salt of the
Speaker 4: Earth dudes, street dudes, And it became became filmmakers, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, like like hustled the hardway, didn't
Speaker 4: go to film school and none of that. And they
Speaker 4: and I hit him up and it was down. They
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, we talked to him about it, and
Speaker 4: bro was mind blowing. Many they would write up these
Speaker 4: these kind of journals, you know what I mean, for
Speaker 4: him for him to kind of look at and study
Speaker 4: and they would kind of explain, uh, the mindset of
Speaker 4: an identical twin and and and what I learned I
Speaker 4: was also fascinating was that when when when identical twins,
Speaker 4: siblings passed like they don't live long after, you know,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like it's one of those
Speaker 4: things where it's such a symbiotic relationship, you know what.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, that that that you know,
Speaker 4: you you start from in uterol with this, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying with this, with this, with this person,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and you go through you
Speaker 4: go through the world being othered, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It was also talking about how people would oftentimes like
Speaker 4: play a game trying to trying to tell them apart,
Speaker 4: you know, like how and how dehumanizing that.
Speaker 1: Is for them. You know what I'm saying. It's something
Speaker 1: that they eventually get used to.
Speaker 4: But you know, like they work with Mike. It really
Speaker 4: helped me work with work with who these with who
Speaker 4: these characters are, you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And I got to know my friends better.
Speaker 1: Bro. You know, I'm not I know I've been going
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 4: But one funny thing I realized with them, I've been
Speaker 4: knowing it for you for over a decade. I've been
Speaker 4: knowing it for over a decade. And I had them
Speaker 4: come over to my house in the bay just to
Speaker 4: kind of work through some stuff before before they sat
Speaker 4: down with Mike, And I never forget this, Like they
Speaker 4: they came and sat down on my college and they
Speaker 4: sit side, they sit sideway side, you know, I mean
Speaker 4: they completely identical, right, you notice just about identical twins
Speaker 4: whore rolling around a lot of times that they'll be
Speaker 4: they'll be like, they'll be like touching each other looking
Speaker 4: and I say, hey, man, I noticed y'all, Like y'all
Speaker 4: like touching each other, y'all close enough to each other
Speaker 4: to touch.
Speaker 1: And they're like yeah. And I'm like, when y'all when
Speaker 1: y'all shit side by side, like that is that for me?
Speaker 1: Or is that for y'all? And they say it's for you, right,
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm like, so, y'all don't need to
Speaker 1: be next to each other. It's like nah. They was like,
Speaker 1: but it freaks people out when we not, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, cause because because you know so it's like
Speaker 1: a thing like how you how you know, in all school,
Speaker 1: when you shake hands, you show both hands.
Speaker 4: That's how they That's how they approached the world. And
Speaker 4: they say, as soon as we have a problem with somebody,
Speaker 4: like if we feel like if we feel under threat
Speaker 4: or something like get physical to first they do is
Speaker 4: split up so that you can't so you have to
Speaker 4: turn your head to see the other one. So then
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, have y'all ever had a like,
Speaker 4: have y'all ever had a one on one? And they
Speaker 4: said only with each other?
Speaker 1: Wow? So the whole life right eve Ben jumping people?
Speaker 2: You know, straight up, like I have a question about
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 6: Just hear you say that, And I don't know if
Speaker 6: maybe I might be digging too deep, but tell me,
Speaker 6: this is the thing. The first time we see Michael
Speaker 6: Jordan in the role, they're side by side. And then
Speaker 6: the first time we see one of the twins, I
Speaker 6: think it's smoked Heaven issue where the men in the
Speaker 6: back of the truck he by hisself?
Speaker 1: Is that from that?
Speaker 6: Like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you doing this thing?
Speaker 6: Like because just hearing the like the inspiration, yes, like
Speaker 6: that conversation because I have friends that are twins too,
Speaker 6: and I never thought about that.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, like like like so so that that's that's
Speaker 4: the other thing we learned about about about these symbiotic relationships.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 4: When you get them by themselves, the individual, the individual
Speaker 4: differences come out and become more prevalent, become more prevalent,
Speaker 4: and and and the thing with smoking Stack is the
Speaker 4: whole dynamic want to ruin the movie. Man comes out,
Speaker 4: But the dynamic between them is one isn't is inherently
Speaker 4: more violent and more practical the other one.
Speaker 1: The other one is is a kinder person, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So the situation she's talking about smokes by himself and
Speaker 4: catching somebody trying to steal it from you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And Stack's not there to be like, hey
Speaker 4: let him ride, you know, you know, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So you know, but but Stack also needs,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, smoke because he's two lax,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Two and two and two come.
Speaker 4: So you see that, you know, you see the uh,
Speaker 4: the the issues that arise with that when they split up.
Speaker 4: For about you know, twenty twenty five minutes in a movie.
Speaker 3: What made you want to do this movie? Was it
Speaker 3: the complexity of what you're talking about or what caught
Speaker 3: you with this movie?
Speaker 6: There's some family ties, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so I can talk about all of
Speaker 4: it here. It's the best it's the best place to
Speaker 4: talk about man. Thank you, thank y'all for inviting, because
Speaker 4: y'all y'all get all of this. So, so look, I
Speaker 4: had an uncle, uh now, uncle James Edmonson, and he
Speaker 4: was he was he was he was born and raised
Speaker 4: in Mississippi. But then but then flagg uh to Auckland
Speaker 4: when he was like in his twenties, you know. So
Speaker 4: so you know, that's where I was born. And we
Speaker 4: probably like the second way with a great migration, right
Speaker 4: you know. And and he was the he was basically
Speaker 4: like the oldest member of my family for for all,
Speaker 4: this male member of my family for a long time.
Speaker 4: And when my parents couldn't afford to buy a house
Speaker 4: on Auckland, we ended up moving to Richmond, which is
Speaker 4: you know, it's essentially like like Newark would be here
Speaker 4: here and here in New York, right if Oakland was Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: And and shortly after we moved, my uncle James his
Speaker 4: family moved. It was like down the block from me,
Speaker 4: you know. So I would go spend time with him
Speaker 4: to get out the house, I could walk to his house.
Speaker 4: And all he would do when he was off from
Speaker 4: work is he would listen to to to either watch
Speaker 4: it San Fransco Giants game on TV, or he would
Speaker 4: listen to it on the radio for what in televas
Speaker 4: to drink all Tyler whiskey and play blues records on vinyl,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I came to associate
Speaker 4: that music with him. I didn't think about the music,
Speaker 4: you know, for me, And for me it was it
Speaker 4: was you know what I'm saying, it was it was
Speaker 4: rapping R and B.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: But but in twenty fifteen, he ended up, he ended
Speaker 4: up passing away and and he and he and he
Speaker 4: he got shick while I was making Creed.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I was, I was.
Speaker 4: I was in Philly for most of the time while
Speaker 4: he was sick. Then I had to go to l A,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying and do post production. And
Speaker 4: I got the call that he died while I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, like picture locking or something, and I
Speaker 4: felt like ship bro, can.
Speaker 1: I cuts on this course?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I felt like ship Bro. I remember being in the
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 4: Hallway with my wife who who who produced this movie
Speaker 4: Centers and just and just feeling like just feeling like
Speaker 4: what the fuck am I doing?
Speaker 1: Man? I'm not I'm not at home with my you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not going I'm like in a hallway
Speaker 4: and in the middle of l A and some some
Speaker 4: dirty production facility, you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And and I and I I made at home for
Speaker 4: the funeral, but I never reckoned with that, that that
Speaker 4: that feeling of of not being there with somebody who
Speaker 4: was so important to me. And and so I would
Speaker 4: find myself when I was thinking about him playing like
Speaker 4: all blues records you feel me like and I And
Speaker 4: when I would listen to him, it was like if
Speaker 4: I caused my eyes like he was there with me,
Speaker 4: you know, you know what I'm saying, Like the power
Speaker 4: of the the power of music to be able to
Speaker 4: do that right, and so so you got that.
Speaker 1: There was another element to it. Uh So I've been making.
Speaker 4: Films based on other things basically my whole my whole career, right, Like,
Speaker 4: Like my first feature film was Frouville, and I was
Speaker 4: based on a really like a real thing that happened,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying where where I'm from, right,
Speaker 4: And it's it's only you know, it's it's only it's
Speaker 4: only so many ways you tell that story. And I
Speaker 4: was trying to tell it the way that that that
Speaker 4: that that that I had the most integrity for where
Speaker 4: I'm from before, for his family and for that who
Speaker 4: that who that young man was who was murdered by
Speaker 4: but by the police officer, right, and and and and
Speaker 4: then then I was forced to make like a movie
Speaker 4: in the Rocky in the Rocky Universe, right, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, a movie about Paul Creed's son. And
Speaker 4: like I hired for the Black Panther movies, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. You know, these all stuff based on
Speaker 4: other things. So so I'm on Panther two and it's
Speaker 4: it's taken a long time. We had a lot of experience,
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of tragedy, a lot of misfortune.
Speaker 4: It's a lot that that wasn't just us, by the way.
Speaker 1: It was during the global pandemic, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And and and you know.
Speaker 4: Tragically lost our actor, uh rest peace. So I had
Speaker 4: to have to refigure that out, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: and keep it together with everybody who was who was
Speaker 4: involved still want to still want to make something and
Speaker 4: our lead actress, Lovely letch Wright was was injured on set.
Speaker 4: Had to have to shut down for that am Cron
Speaker 4: shuts down and and you know, and in Atlanta ended
Speaker 4: up being like a four year movie.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And and I remember we was going through maybe the
Speaker 1: worst of you man, and and and what would get
Speaker 1: me through?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. While I was out there,
Speaker 4: was listening to was listening to some of my favorite artists, Bro.
Speaker 4: And I was listening to a lot of nip Rest
Speaker 4: and Peace. I was listened to a lot of golf right. Look, look,
Speaker 4: but when I was listening to dol Bro, it wasn't
Speaker 4: a resting piece yet. Bro wasn't resting piece yet. And
Speaker 4: and I'll never forget Bro.
Speaker 1: I think it was.
Speaker 4: I think it was November seventeenth, twenty twenty one. I'm
Speaker 4: in Byron, Georgia. Bro and I see my first cotton
Speaker 4: field in my life. We were riding and.
Speaker 1: I and I saw it. I taught the driver man't
Speaker 1: pull over. You know what I'm saying, bounced talk. I
Speaker 1: never I had never seen one before. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: driver White, No, he's not.
Speaker 2: He probably was like finally trying to get them back here, Bro, who's.
Speaker 1: Our driver name?
Speaker 2: Baby h Craig.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was shouts off the craig Man. Black
Speaker 4: Man from Cradle from New York. You're create from Okay,
Speaker 4: black Man from New York. But she was in We was,
Speaker 4: you know, walking out of Atlanta right like verybody was
Speaker 4: making the movies Dan Bow, Bro, and.
Speaker 1: I go, I go. I literally like when I went
Speaker 1: into the field just to see it, Bro, I was
Speaker 1: having like a crazy ash you know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Moment was like like what that felt like? I keep it, honey,
Speaker 4: but I couldn't. I couldn't describe it. I couldn't describe it, Bro,
Speaker 4: because like I felt guilty. I felt like, you know,
Speaker 4: I've been on this show. We talking about going to Africa,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I wanted to get
Speaker 4: type deal with my ancestors and and and and but
Speaker 4: then was my ancestors one hundred years we moved. This
Speaker 4: is my ancestors, Howndrey.
Speaker 1: Years you moved?
Speaker 4: Hadn't hadn't been there, hadn't seen it, you know, you
Speaker 4: know you know what I'm saying. So it was it
Speaker 4: was like an overwoman since a guilt where when where
Speaker 4: anything right, And uh I took something, you know, and
Speaker 4: uh I believe that day when when I heard he
Speaker 4: was right, you know, and I and I.
Speaker 1: Was I had never met this dude. I never met Nick,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But but but I felt like but I felt like
Speaker 4: I knew him, you know, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like from from from the music and and I remember
Speaker 4: being like, man, fuck this, like because because you gotta
Speaker 4: keep in mind, I was in the Bay, Bro, going
Speaker 4: to football practice with my homies.
Speaker 1: We heard pop God and we were sea pot you know.
Speaker 4: You know you know what I'm saying, Like it shut
Speaker 4: the whole It shot our whole football practice down. The
Speaker 4: mamas was crying, the cultures was crying, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro as a fan of his music, Bro, Bro,
Speaker 4: it's been a lifetime and this ship Bro. Like like
Speaker 4: like being in being in Philly on Creed and hearing
Speaker 4: that that that the jack or reustion piece got killed.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, that keep the sneak got
Speaker 4: shot in the back.
Speaker 1: He paralyzed.
Speaker 4: Now like I'm like, you know, my hummies out that
Speaker 4: that came up and was rapping. He never heard of
Speaker 4: you Feel Me that that, And I'm like, I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 4: I can't listen to this music right now, Bro, I can't.
Speaker 1: I gotta take a break. You feel Me?
Speaker 4: And I remember venting to my producer, who is from
Speaker 4: into California, from close black man, but from a different
Speaker 4: culture there, and and I say, man, I said, Bro,
Speaker 4: what kind of music is here?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 4: Where the artist talks about how to navigate where they're from,
Speaker 4: how to escape all the demons they dealing with.
Speaker 1: Man, Like she get to the thirties and still fall
Speaker 1: victim to the ship? Bro, what music exists like this?
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I was saying that, like like he looked at me.
Speaker 4: He's a smart dude, Moore. He looked at me Bro,
Speaker 4: and like and like in a real empathetic way. It
Speaker 4: conshittered it and he was like, he's like, man, my
Speaker 4: favorite music like that.
Speaker 1: I said, what music is that? He said, Man, grunge music.
Speaker 1: I said, huh m hm. He said yeah, man, he's
Speaker 1: like he said, we just lost Chris Cornell Bright. He
Speaker 1: was in his fifties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like, he's like, all that music is
Speaker 4: about struggling with you know what I'm saying, struggling with
Speaker 4: that demon's depression and trying and kick dope, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And they end up, you know, they
Speaker 4: get get all the money in the world, standing up
Speaker 4: dying in the hotel rooms.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I said, ship, damn, you know.
Speaker 4: And what's crazy is in the Bay our biggest radio
Speaker 4: station when I point when came here, and the only
Speaker 4: rock song I ever played on that station Bro coming
Speaker 4: up with Nirvana with smell like teen Spirit.
Speaker 1: So I was like, Man, let me dig into this
Speaker 1: grunge music.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna take a break from you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, from listen to gruns And I started listening
Speaker 4: to it, Bro, and I was like, Man, this.
Speaker 1: Ship something like with my uncle used to play like
Speaker 1: I was. I was listening to like it's literally like
Speaker 1: I'm listening to it.
Speaker 4: I'm listening to the guitar ribs and like what they're
Speaker 4: talking about and and like like the passionate seeing with
Speaker 4: and I'm like, that's all man, I thunk into the research, man,
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just it's just blues me to some
Speaker 4: of my white people, you know. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: and that was that was when I was like, and
Speaker 4: it's just it's just like within it same twenty four hours,
Speaker 4: you know. You know what I'm saying that was That
Speaker 4: was was that's I was like Sherry cropping blues, the
Speaker 4: evolution of it, the h the racious origins of genre
Speaker 4: as a concept, you know what I'm saying. Like, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I think it's a movie in this, you know. And
Speaker 4: and I'm just a big horror movie fan, bro, I like,
Speaker 4: I like, I like horror and all this fashions, and
Speaker 4: nobody really knew that about me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: because of the movies that I that I made, So
Speaker 4: I put that with it too, and and you know,
Speaker 4: this is this is how you got how you got shinish.
Speaker 1: Just that makes sense.
Speaker 5: I want to say rest in peace to it because
Speaker 5: we just, uh, it was the six y anniversary of
Speaker 5: his pasting like last week, and I also want to
Speaker 5: say rest in peace to Dove.
Speaker 2: It's something going on with Dolph Energetically.
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is, because I've been listening
Speaker 5: to Young Dolph a lot in the past forty eight hours. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I've been saying and am I missed off? And I've
Speaker 5: been telling my my wife and my my my cousin,
Speaker 5: who's my trainer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, y'all want some new Dolph music.
Speaker 5: And I don't know why I've been saying at the
Speaker 5: last for I can show you my playlist, show you
Speaker 5: how much doff I show.
Speaker 2: You the last forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: So now he got me through reping. People look Bro
Speaker 1: like Nick, I.
Speaker 4: Just I just talked. I just talked to I'll just talk.
Speaker 4: I just talked to black Sham the other day. But
Speaker 4: with Nick Nick reshing peace bro Hen me and me
Speaker 4: and my wife was going through a tough time. Bro
Speaker 4: when we released Panther one, and like the whole, the whole,
Speaker 4: it was a really it was really uh odd experience
Speaker 4: because because from the we was on top. It was
Speaker 4: on top of the world, right and we was in
Speaker 4: a certain extent, but but personally was going through some
Speaker 4: ship and and Bro never I'll never forget Bro. Ship
Speaker 4: was so heavy that that that that you know we
Speaker 4: normally you know, the Bay, the Bay of l a
Speaker 4: like a like a you know our flight, you feel me.
Speaker 4: But I was like I was like, man, let's rent
Speaker 4: a car and let's drive up to the Highway one
Speaker 4: because our whole lives we're hearing about how beautiful.
Speaker 1: Highway one is.
Speaker 4: So let's rent a cars drive up Highway one. She
Speaker 4: just coached everybody been talking about our whole lots.
Speaker 1: You feel me? And she was like, she was like,
Speaker 1: all right, bet we put all finished. The movie went
Speaker 1: to a.
Speaker 4: Wrinkling time screening, because that's our that's our sister, you
Speaker 4: feel me knocked out all and he was like, let's
Speaker 4: get back to the crib. So up the coach, bro
Speaker 4: Man Victory lave all ride whole ride turned.
Speaker 1: Off, and spend it back right. And and I always
Speaker 1: associate him with the feeling of healing. That album.
Speaker 4: That album brought us in that time, you know, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And and and my association with
Speaker 4: him was one of my best friends was down from from.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 1: He did it rough for ten years, but he went
Speaker 1: in when I was in when I was when I
Speaker 1: was in film school. Came out the year the year
Speaker 1: Black Panther came out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And I'll stay tapped in with him, you know, money
Speaker 4: on his books, you know, And they would transfram all
Speaker 4: over all over the country.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Every time you're transferighting, bro, he was like, need all
Speaker 4: my NIP albums, Bro, I need I need, I need
Speaker 4: them more. So I got to I have to rebind Marathon.
Speaker 4: I have to find him and I got and I
Speaker 4: gotta find it on the uh you know, on the
Speaker 4: prison system.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I'm saying. And and you
Speaker 1: know Nick got him through, you know his incarceration. You
Speaker 1: feel me so yeah, bro, like when when when when.
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And when you listen to somebody you feel like you
Speaker 1: know them. Bro.
Speaker 4: You know it's just a different type of y'all do
Speaker 4: radio right, People probably listening y'all every morning, think y'all
Speaker 4: their best friends.
Speaker 1: You know. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's that it's that type of uh, it's that type
Speaker 4: of get Dawn man. And and I showed the movie
Speaker 4: to another to another filmmaker, mohammikal Matic.
Speaker 1: Who's from l A.
Speaker 4: You know that did the host Party film and did
Speaker 4: the White Man Can't Jump sequel, and and amazine music
Speaker 4: video director just did the just did the uh scrabble
Speaker 4: up video right shouting centers.
Speaker 1: First thing you say to me, man, seeing.
Speaker 4: Them two dudes that it felt like it felt like
Speaker 4: it felt like nip and sham, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't even thinking about I wasn't even thinking about
Speaker 4: the fact that these two you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: he's the too brothers, Like we're gonna get it, you know,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like like when you said
Speaker 4: that to me, Bro, that ship hit me on a
Speaker 4: different you know, on a different level. I was like, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm okay. Maybe my my cinematic language is getting to
Speaker 4: it's getting to where it needs to be because because
Speaker 4: I'm putting things and I'm feeling I'm maybe not even thinking.
Speaker 1: About you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And that's crazy cause when they talk about centers, they
Speaker 5: talk about how your your genre blending right, drama, you
Speaker 5: gotta put hip hop in there too.
Speaker 1: All it's all over there the movie.
Speaker 6: I feel like even in the way that the smoke
Speaker 6: and his smoking, his brother shack Stack smoking Sack, even
Speaker 6: the way that they like maneuver and the way that
Speaker 6: they move, like even it's small stuff in there and
Speaker 6: you I'm here, you say that it wasn't purposely, I guess,
Speaker 6: but even the way he pulls out his gun and
Speaker 6: stuff like that, it's like it's so much to it.
Speaker 6: And when when I was watching the parts that I
Speaker 6: did see of it, I was just seeing her thinking
Speaker 6: like wow, Like I wonder how many times you sit
Speaker 6: and watch it and you catch something different every single
Speaker 6: time because it's like layered, and I think some of
Speaker 6: it is not on purpose, Like does that happen to you?
Speaker 2: Still? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I oftentimes catch things with this movie, especially because
Speaker 4: it was so personal, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 4: I've become a more experienced filmmaker, you know, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, And I'll be like, oh, I was
Speaker 4: doing that and I ain't you know, I ain't realizing.
Speaker 4: And the other thing that happens man when you when
Speaker 4: you work on on uh, because our our r form
Speaker 4: is is it's a tricky one, right, like you know.
Speaker 4: For instance, the young great legend Rod Wave watched the
Speaker 4: movie and then went knocked out a song for us
Speaker 4: in the day inspired about inspired a byt the film,
Speaker 4: and Ship is a song. I'm like, yo, this sh
Speaker 4: is done? You know you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: like you know, like there's nothing we can nothing else
Speaker 4: we can do do fis we can't touch it took him,
Speaker 4: took him a night, you know, but we're working the years,
Speaker 4: right And what's what's crazy is you know you're not
Speaker 4: even the same person in four.
Speaker 1: Months, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like I've written the screenplay and then got to like
Speaker 4: the last day of shooting, and I'm looking at the
Speaker 4: strip like what the fuck was I Like?
Speaker 1: Who wrote this? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Often I often say that, like what was I thinking?
Speaker 4: You know, you know, and and and and I'm trying
Speaker 4: to get back into my own head from from you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, from from time past, and you know,
Speaker 4: you know, you're editing the film and mixing it sound,
Speaker 4: and sometimes I'll be like, oh, that's what I meant,
Speaker 4: you know, you know you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 4: that's what this is.
Speaker 1: You feel me? But yeah, I still I still I
Speaker 1: still see things, man.
Speaker 4: And because it's not because it's and it wasn't based
Speaker 4: on anything like direct so I was so you pull
Speaker 4: from yourself, you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I see a lot of a lot of myself.
Speaker 6: And I had to google that when I was watching it,
Speaker 6: like is this based on the true story?
Speaker 2: Because it so?
Speaker 6: But you the opening scene too, it's the center of
Speaker 6: the opening scene is the black church. Yeah, and it
Speaker 6: was such a powerful scene and then you backtrack into
Speaker 6: like a completely different version of that character. Can you
Speaker 6: talk about the choice too. I don't want to give
Speaker 6: it away, but like I thought that that was like
Speaker 6: really powerful the way.
Speaker 1: That you did talk about that easy work. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So when I was doing I did a lot of
Speaker 4: research on the on the movie. The two the two
Speaker 4: like the big work research workhorses for me were two books,
Speaker 4: uh le, Roy Jones' Blues People l Roy Jones letter
Speaker 4: changed his name to Mary Baraka. But when you find
Speaker 4: that when you looking for that text, it'll be because
Speaker 4: we published it with Roy Jones.
Speaker 1: It will generally be publishing that. That's a black man,
Speaker 1: Black and alect.
Speaker 4: You were talking about the blues culture and then and
Speaker 4: then there's another book called Deep Blues by by a
Speaker 4: music collegist named Robert Palmer.
Speaker 1: The white Dude. You know what I'm saying, talking talking.
Speaker 4: About talking about blues music, about the incredible books.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: But but in researching all those books and learning about
Speaker 4: the great Delta blues musicians, you know. And it started
Speaker 4: with a guy named Charlie Patton essentially, and it started
Speaker 4: on the Doctor Doctory Farms plantation in Mississippi, is you know,
Speaker 4: is where I kind of where they feel like the
Speaker 4: first true Delta blues song as.
Speaker 1: His norm was played right. Uh.
Speaker 4: But in his in his lineage, there there comes Tommy Johnson,
Speaker 4: who was the first dude to run around say he
Speaker 4: saw the song to the Devil to learn how to play.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was Robert Johnson who is the more known dudes
Speaker 1: to to kind of say he saw the song to
Speaker 1: the Devil to play. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And in between there is a dude named Son House
Speaker 4: who essentially outlived all those guys. And what you learn
Speaker 4: is almost every single last one of these dudes not
Speaker 4: only came out of the church, but like Daddy's was preachers.
Speaker 1: It was like almost it was like almost constant, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And and and what I realized is I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: like the the that that like the African Orator, you know,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, like like that's a that's
Speaker 4: a that's a long line from the from the from
Speaker 4: the from the Griot. You know what I'm saying to
Speaker 4: to you know, to Rod Wave today, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And like that, it's all
Speaker 4: versions of the same thing. The Preacher at the Poor Pick,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know the musicality of of the Black Preacher, you know,
Speaker 1: most known, most known with Martin Luther King Junior. Right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like like you know,
Speaker 1: the you know, you know what I'm saying, like like
Speaker 1: the animation you feel me like that.
Speaker 4: That's all from the continent, but it was deeply it
Speaker 4: was deeply refined in the in the you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, in the American South, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And you know, the best blues musicians basically came out
Speaker 4: of it, came out of the church, and the blues
Speaker 4: was known as the Devil's music.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It was It was a huge economy, like like, you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of anxiety and judgement out
Speaker 4: of that, and a lot of guilt, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Like, dudes, would be huge substance a musics
Speaker 4: and house will basically go like he'll he'll basically go
Speaker 4: like five years drinking and playing blues music, five years
Speaker 4: sober and preaching, five years drinking and playing blues music,
Speaker 4: ten years sober.
Speaker 1: Now he got his own church. You know. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying it was. It was that kind of cycle.
Speaker 1: So that's that's why we started it like that.
Speaker 5: You know, they said you got to go ahead nine
Speaker 5: to fifty. But I got three questions. I gotta got
Speaker 5: like two minutes. Different energy brings different things out of pe.
Speaker 5: What did Chad Wick Bothman bring out of you that
Speaker 5: Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan does?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: So, so that's a fucking fantastic question, Bro, It's a
Speaker 4: fantastic question because I just had to doing his press tour.
Speaker 1: You know, because because out.
Speaker 4: Of all of my actors, Bro, and all of my actors,
Speaker 4: Chad's death actually hit Mike the hardest, you know, and
Speaker 4: and I and I I never had to talk about that,
Speaker 4: but we were doing we were doing press together now
Speaker 4: and look, man, Chad was older than us, Bro, Like, like,
Speaker 4: he was quite a bit older than us, even though
Speaker 4: he looked like he was the same.
Speaker 2: As he was not.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying I was a fully baked man
Speaker 1: from the South. You know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like he was an old school he was an old
Speaker 4: school man's man. And and compared to that dude when
Speaker 4: we worked together, brought me and Michael's kids.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I'm saying. And and and
Speaker 1: what Chad taught me, Bro, I mean he changed my life. Bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But but but he was.
Speaker 1: He was the kind of teacher who you never knew
Speaker 1: you was getting a lession when he talked. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It was it was all.
Speaker 2: It was all by all by.
Speaker 1: Example, you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And what he what he what he gave me. And
Speaker 4: Michael was patience. You know, he moved he moved out
Speaker 4: an old school pace and and and he he he
Speaker 4: took his time.
Speaker 1: He was always early. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He was that type of He was that type of dude. Bro,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And and and and I
Speaker 4: think that you know, I don't think Mike. I don't
Speaker 4: think Michael would be it. Look, man, I taught him
Speaker 4: like and Michael, tell you is I told him, Man,
Speaker 4: I said, hey, Bro, what would child do you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying in this role, if you had this role,
Speaker 4: what do you do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: Because Chad never broke accent. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He was talking in an African accent. Bro, you put
Speaker 4: me for dinner at nine o'clock. I remember the Disney
Speaker 4: executives came, came and seen as a panther like week
Speaker 4: two and he put it up and it was it
Speaker 4: was it was a child's accent.
Speaker 1: What was going on?
Speaker 4: That was freaked out? And I was like, gonna be
Speaker 4: free thought. He's working And that's how you don't turn
Speaker 4: it off to we rat you know.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and and and and no
Speaker 1: shame or embarrassment and that. But that's how he was.
Speaker 1: That's how he was moving, you know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And and for Mike to see that, to see that
Speaker 4: up close, to have to do scenes across from that,
Speaker 4: and for me to be able to set that to him,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, like like like that that
Speaker 4: he transitioned to become an ancestor.
Speaker 1: Bro, what what what the big homie? Do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like boom locked in you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying and look bro, like like the
Speaker 4: difference is, man, look man, won't ever be another child?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 1: You feel me like like that should I? That's the difference.
Speaker 4: Like it's like asking somebody, bro, what was it like
Speaker 4: to shut up across from from from Mike Jordan's you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Like you know, like like you know it made you
Speaker 1: a better hooper? I bet you know you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like like and you know, and that's what
Speaker 1: it was, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And we got no more. You know, they gotta go?
Speaker 2: Yeah do you Hey? I don't know. I want to go.
Speaker 2: You gotta come back right so much, so much.
Speaker 1: Want something.
Speaker 4: I just want something to sell and I want to
Speaker 4: tell people because see the movie in theaters.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess.
Speaker 5: I stayed on chat just a little because I recently
Speaker 5: saw a video with Denzel was speaking about his first time.
Speaker 2: Seeing Black Panther. Yeah, he said he made him feel
Speaker 2: like he could pass the torch because of you, because.
Speaker 4: It was it was so much deeper than that. It
Speaker 4: was so much deeper than Danzel I ever show. Because
Speaker 4: he's humble looking man. Chiro was at Howard University, bro
Speaker 4: and and he was maybe the most brilliant actor I
Speaker 4: ever come through there Bro. If Felicia Shaw knew it,
Speaker 4: he was there to be a filmmaker. If Felicier Shaw
Speaker 4: wanted to see him where they where they you know,
Speaker 4: where they really do it, it'll be the it'd be
Speaker 4: the equivalent of a Hooper in and it's Victor women Yama.
Speaker 4: Right you in Paris, Bro, We're finishing you to go
Speaker 4: hoop of Lebron. We're finishing you to the station. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and go really eighty two game
Speaker 4: season against where basketball is life. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And in the UK acting his life, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. That's where, that's where it's at. Right, Felicia
Speaker 4: was like, I want to get you to Oxford. I
Speaker 4: want to get you on stage in London. Shot from Anderson,
Speaker 4: South Carolina. Right, flis like, when I'm worry, I'm finding
Speaker 4: somebody to take care of you goes it in. Zelzel says,
Speaker 4: I want to I want to take care of it
Speaker 4: for the kid. I don't want I don't want them
Speaker 4: to know it's me and I don't want to know
Speaker 4: nothing about it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Right, let's just said, hey, we got a donor for you.
Speaker 4: Says about to Oxford. He goes to shut the ship down,
Speaker 4: comes back to tatick balls.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Later on his career, Felicia
Speaker 1: put him to this sigh. Ay man, I was in
Speaker 1: jail that pay for that. Wow. Wow. Chadwick seized the
Speaker 1: exailing passion for years and years and years and years
Speaker 1: and years.
Speaker 4: It's the patience I'm talking about. Knew it wasn't time
Speaker 4: to tell him yet, right.
Speaker 1: Premiere in l A.
Speaker 4: Form here in New York. Then Jel said I can
Speaker 4: pull up. He was doing broad I think he was
Speaker 4: doing the Iceman coming up or something. He said, I
Speaker 4: can pull up. I said, all right, bet I teld
Speaker 4: my act. I said, Heydnzel coming to night try immediately
Speaker 4: put me to the side, said I gotta talk to
Speaker 4: him before before before they go in and watch. And
Speaker 4: I said, what's going on? He wisher in my ear,
Speaker 4: But I got I gotta thank you for something, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So Danzel pull up?
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: He Denzel don't like to be He's not a Hollywood
Speaker 4: person crazy enough. He wanted to come into the back.
Speaker 4: He don't want to do the carpet, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: dresses very down.
Speaker 1: And so I grabbed you. I said that somebody want
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Put him to the side, and
Speaker 1: my wife was there. It was, it was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: It was me, Zenji and dan Zel and chat in
Speaker 4: the room and in the DJ Theater in New York,
Speaker 4: right here in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: And then heell pull up. I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 4: You know in chat chat whispering his fucking ears ship.
Speaker 4: But that was me and thank him right, That's why
Speaker 4: Jel was crying, you know what I'm saying when he
Speaker 4: watched the movie like it was because of that.
Speaker 1: And for me, I I don't think it's gonna drop.
Speaker 1: I think I got it. You got it. So that's
Speaker 1: the look. Man. Do you know how many actors bro
Speaker 1: as soon.
Speaker 4: As they would have gone on they would have went
Speaker 4: on the show and said, yeah, man, Denzel paid for
Speaker 4: me to go to Oxford.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many articles they would have got
Speaker 1: out of that M forty two press Round'm Jackie Robinson.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, By the way, Danzel paid for me
Speaker 1: to it's real.
Speaker 5: That's why, that's why it's almost impossible for you to
Speaker 5: even think about recasting a job.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not, it's not. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: but with the multiverse, it makes it a little I mean,
Speaker 1: we talk, we talk, we talk about that.
Speaker 5: Next we can ask one more question about SIS and
Speaker 5: it's really about Mike, because the relationship you and Mike have,
Speaker 5: I think does not get enough credit. I really don't
Speaker 5: like y'all are unity and group operation per signified. Y'all
Speaker 5: have a symbiotic relationship or did it was it? Was
Speaker 5: it a media or the developable?
Speaker 1: It developed? Bro Like like I like in it too.
Speaker 1: I liking it to.
Speaker 4: A quarterback and and uh, you know in a white out,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like I play I play
Speaker 4: receiver in uh in college football. And it's like that,
Speaker 4: like it gets to the point where you know, we
Speaker 4: got a shorthand and we hold each other accountable. We
Speaker 4: also push each other like we're not trying to do
Speaker 4: the same thing we did before. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: We're not gonna show up and and go through the motions.
Speaker 4: We're trying to shove up and and and get bigger
Speaker 4: and better each time. But the thing about but brother,
Speaker 4: keeping the honey man. The thing I love the most
Speaker 4: about Mike is his kindness, bro like like like he's
Speaker 4: he's a he's a number one on the car. She
Speaker 4: big old, giant, fucking movie star. He's incredibly kind to
Speaker 4: everybody on set.
Speaker 1: Focused nose the AD's name, nose the p a's name,
Speaker 1: don't come on the set. They don't look me in
Speaker 1: the eye. You know what I'm saying, Never raise a
Speaker 1: good woice anybody, you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And he works his ass off, so it sets a
Speaker 4: tone for everybody that you're gonna be respectful, respectful to
Speaker 4: the to the p A up top, to the producer.
Speaker 4: We're gonna respect women, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna're gonna be gonna be kind. You know,
Speaker 4: we're not gonna you know, because a film second get
Speaker 4: can get gnarly, you know what I mean, if if
Speaker 4: you don't, you know, if you don't set the right
Speaker 4: tone right.
Speaker 1: So so for me, I'm always he always gonna have
Speaker 1: a job before making something. He a good person.
Speaker 3: Even when you see him in his element, he'll take
Speaker 3: pictures with kids. He'll stop to take pictures to speak
Speaker 3: to older people, especially when your jerseys.
Speaker 2: It's ten times work.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be all in York tonight for a screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he's like really like that.
Speaker 2: He just don't like.
Speaker 3: But besides that, Charlomon always messing him about the type
Speaker 3: of woman he liked.
Speaker 2: That man, but.
Speaker 6: Nice of emotion and and here you come.
Speaker 1: So he's a good elements.
Speaker 5: I just messed with him a couple of times about
Speaker 5: the white woman he was dating. I'll stay away from
Speaker 5: that crazy man. Don't let doctor him all down. That's
Speaker 5: all nothing crazy.
Speaker 1: But now he's a good.
Speaker 2: I promise you won't last three times ago.
Speaker 5: How do you accept an apology from thenzel Watt because
Speaker 5: he said he apologize.
Speaker 2: To you like you. That's that's the that's the old
Speaker 2: g Like do you even accept like no, he did
Speaker 2: even get mad at him.
Speaker 4: No man, no man, i I'm I'm I'm blessed to
Speaker 4: have you in my life, bro, like straight up man,
Speaker 4: and I'm blessed through through having him.
Speaker 1: I get Paul Letter. He was a bigger blessing. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I just just seen last night. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he apology, Bro, him saying that we're gonna work together,
Speaker 1: apologize for that.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's what when he calls you.
Speaker 1: He was just like he was. He was more than
Speaker 1: more than he was. Like, hey, Bro, I say too much,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't all it wasn't you know, I say
Speaker 1: too much. Man, I ain't mean to make your heart.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're good, You're good. You always happy to
Speaker 4: hear from you. Man, you FaceTime me in the whole hype,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like like, but it's just
Speaker 4: just I'm blessed, bro, to be able to to be
Speaker 4: able to you know, to have these these these mentors, bro,
Speaker 4: Like like I feel like God looks after me, Bro.
Speaker 4: And when I lose when I gained one, you know,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And you know I started
Speaker 4: talking about this losing my uncle, right, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And I'm all this or three brothers. I've
Speaker 4: been looking for big brothers my whole life, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And when I gain you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, like like people who can who can give
Speaker 4: me any type of mentorship or advice, and you know
Speaker 4: it's the most incredible blessing.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, you know, you know, apologies man.
Speaker 4: And I think one of the eight things he just
Speaker 4: he just wanted to make sure that he ain't speak
Speaker 4: out of school with how intense all of the all
Speaker 4: of the comic book stuff can get.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, We need you, right, I mean,
Speaker 5: you know the way they're trying to erase our history
Speaker 5: out here. We need brothers like you that represent you know,
Speaker 5: Black culture.
Speaker 4: I need y'all rock I need y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all
Speaker 4: work ethic, in the in the in the relationship y'all
Speaker 4: have and built up with the audiences. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, the trust, So I can tell him, Go
Speaker 4: see Centers that's April eighteen. Go see the I Max
Speaker 4: because that's how we shot it on film and big
Speaker 4: giant Imax cameras and super wide uh ultra panevision seventy
Speaker 4: millimeters for the first time, you know, and you're gonna see,
Speaker 4: you know, see people are all shy and colors on
Speaker 4: on the on the screen on the movie a roller
Speaker 4: culture ride, U probablys like a rock con shart, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And because of the work that y'all.
Speaker 4: Do you feel me, we able to, we able to
Speaker 4: come and tell people about you know what we are
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 1: Man, we need each other, you feel me?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely go check it out.
Speaker 3: April eighteenth, Sinners, ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Coopler, thank you
Speaker 3: for joining us, and thank you all, bro and don't
Speaker 3: be a stranger you in town, come.
Speaker 1: On up here, bet it up, all right, that's the
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning. The
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