WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Ryan Coogler Talks 'Sinners,' Michael B. Jordan, Denzel, Chadwick Boseman, Nipsey Hussle +More 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.480 Wake that ass up in the morning. 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.440 The Breakfast Club Morning. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.160 Everybody is the j n Vy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.240 guy we are the Breakfast Club just is out today. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.440 Lord l Rosa filling in and we got a special 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:14.440 guest in the building. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.480 He's back. Ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Coog. We welcome back. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.320 Brother. Man. It's nice to be here. 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.400 We feel I'm feeling good, Bro, feeling good. We just 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.680 mary our movie last night. You know, so happy to 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.600 happy to be at this stage. You're putting it out. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.120 You know, I'm happy to be here talking to you 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:32.680 all about it. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:33.960 Man, Think about Ryan. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.000 No matter what Ryan is doing, no matter how long 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.000 he in Hollywood, that Oakland do not get up. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.279 You can hear every. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:41.600 Time you're talking about I feel like you're about to 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:42.760 ask me what's said I'm from. 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:48.159 Tripping, Bro. We don't. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:55.560 We don't even now we ask why in Oakland? Bro, 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.520 That's that's the la thing. Ask you about that. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:59.600 But how do you stay so rounded though? 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.760 Like you can hear the Oakland in you, Like you're 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:03.760 doing movies that got ninety million dollar budgets. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.640 But it don't changes. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.800 Just my actions how I talk about can't change it. Yeah, 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.840 it's you know, it's yeah, I can't just like I 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.320 Amy something like he's from New York, you know what 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:13.640 I'm saying. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:18.240 It's just it's just I think what it is. It's 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:19.240 not a lot of us. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.280 From like that, from like that era, like me and 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.279 me and me and mar Shaun about the same age. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:29.720 He's another oneand they never leave. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.600 Dan Dame Dang literally quite younger than us, but he 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:34.720 like of that of that era. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:36.399 But Dame a little you know what I'm saying, Dame 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:37.319 a little bit younger. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.280 You know, we we it's just certain like like every 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.000 every era of Oakland talk a little talk talks a 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.440 little different, you know what I'm saying. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:46.240 Like my mom. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:53.120 Her, she she talks very proper, but but but but 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.120 it also has a little a little bit of the 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:56.600 South in it, a little more of the South in 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.440 it than than us. And my grandmother she's from you know, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.840 born in put Out, the Texas. They moved oak until 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.280 she was twelve, so she sounds completely like she like 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.240 a Texan, you know what I'm saying. And then it's 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.240 like and it's like a class thing too. You feel 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:16.200 me like my little brothers you know, we moved to Richmond, 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.600 like I don't remember. I don't really remember Oakland, you 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.120 know what I'm saying. And and we went we went 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.000 to Catholic school. You feel me so like like they 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.280 action is slightly different from mine to you know what 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.040 I'm saying, like my like my my action. I know 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.239 exactly where it's from, the areas from it got locked 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:32.760 in when I was like seven or eight years old. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.600 And it's funny because my mom's just it's actually funny. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.360 My mom remember when my actions started to change because 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.400 I started hanging out. She was like, hey man, you're 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.239 talking like them, you know, saying, talking like them, you 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:44.959 know outside you know what I'm saying'snna get stuck like that? 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:50.160 So my whole life I gotta, I gotta. I never 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:51.919 have to explain it, you know what i'mer stand. But 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:54.399 but yeah, bro, it's it's it's just how I talk. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.040 I can't. I can't talk about different. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:57.600 Listen, I love it, you know what I mean. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.280 I was gonna say, you mentioned Centers yesterday, that the 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.079 preview was yesterday the press, I should say, so explain 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.040 to people what Centers is about. I'm sure they seen 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.360 the commercial they've seen the trailers, but what is centers about? 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:15.440 Yeah, man, it's like the plot or yeah, yeah, the plot. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.880 It's about two twin brothers who come home to their 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.720 hometown and Clarkson, Mississippi, after about seven years in Chicago. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.160 Uh and they kind of, you know, they basically gangsters, 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.640 you know what I mean, and very notorious, and they 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.120 come home and pick up their little cousin who's this 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.160 Who's this bluest prodigy and they got plans of opening 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.240 up a juke joint, you know, which is like a 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.080 black night club at that time. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.120 And uh so it's a twenty four hour movie. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.040 They gather wrap all all their friends from their past 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.960 who you know, to start this business, and then you know, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.760 vampire ends up showing up and you know, things go 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:54.440 a little left. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.240 How difficult was it directing one actor for two different 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.680 roles because Michael be Jordan's playing the twin brothers. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:06.880 I mean it was, man, it was Yeah, I guess, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:07.440 I guess. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:09.480 I guess I wouldn't want to talk about it like 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.520 in terms of degree of difficulty, right, but but it 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.080 was definitely complicated, you know what I'm saying. Like, but 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.400 I got a I got a great team brought, got 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:23.600 great producers, fantastic visual effects department, you know, and and 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:25.680 we just came up with a plan and how to 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.600 do it. I actually actually talked to a few filmmakers 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.360 who had done things like it, you know. I was 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.560 in conversation with christ Nolan, who's a mentor of mine, 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.640 and he did a similar thing. He actually did a 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.120 couple of movies that had that had like kind of 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.520 twenty elements. He did a movie called The Prestige spoiler alert. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.760 It's some you know some it's a twin element in that. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.000 And then he also did a movie called Tenant that 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:48.960 came out right right right at the start of the 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.359 pandemic with with John David Washington, and because got characters 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.080 going back and forth in time, like he got scenes 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.400 with John David Washington's fighting himself, you know. So so 0:04:58.680 --> 0:04:59.800 so I talked with him a little bit. I was 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.400 talking him about just the format that we shot the 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.680 film in, and we talked a little bit of twin two. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.800 But there was another film back on named Sean Darkin 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.640 who came up the sun Dans route, and he has 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:14.320 just done he's just done a television series called Dead Ringers, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.000 the remake of a David Carnenberg film. But it started 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.360 Rachel Weiss as twin Gyn in Collogists. You know what 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.520 I'm saying that that that identical twin guy colleges played 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.320 by one actor and I and I got on the 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.360 phone with him for about He probably talked for about 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.120 about an hour on how they how they made that, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.120 how they made that work, and he ran it down 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.200 to me, uh, you know, kind of blowbile, blow at 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.080 things I should be thinking about. And I'll be ever 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:40.680 grateful that. I'll be ever grateful to Sean and I 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.360 actually need to reach out to him, you know. But 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.360 but you like, it's it's it's a lot, it's very 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.279 very technical, but it's actually that it's actually the hardest 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:50.920 on Mike, you know what I'm saying to be honest 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.240 with you, because I'm you know, I'm I'm near with 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:54.960 the Caaron trying and trying to work at all, and 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:56.919 some day is more complicated. And I don't know if 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.280 you'll just had a chance to see the film yet 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:05.000 far parts of parts of okay, yeah, so so so 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.920 for Michael, you know, you know, he had to he 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.120 had to embody two completely different people who were identical twins, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.919 which is a very like unique specific type of person, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.479 right and on and on days where you know where 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.920 the twins were interacting, you know, he would have to 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.760 start the day as one character, you know, go get 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.080 changed and come back and shoot another past as as 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:27.719 another character. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.560 We had to cast a. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.520 Twin double, which is an actor who bastually is the 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:38.400 same build, shape, height, complexion as Mike to act across 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.840 from him so he can know where you know where 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:41.160 to look. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:42.920 But somebody's not talking to himself. Okay. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:44.880 So when I was watching it, because even the first 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.880 time you see them on camera and they're standing next 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.480 to each other and I'm like, okay, I notice is technology. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.840 But I'm like, as an actor, I know you kind 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.000 of feed off of like it's very like physical. So 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.360 it was like, I wonder how Michael B. Jordan's like, 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.120 what is he using to their interaction? 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.440 Is yea, Now Lauren wants the stunt double number just 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.880 like Michael. He built like can't get the original. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:06.920 The party build. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:08.800 When they killed a snake in the back of the truck, 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:10.920 even that, I'm like, I mean that was something so small, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.040 but I'm like, you got to know where your people 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:14.480 are to you know what I'm saying, I'm like, how 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:15.040 did they do that? 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.840 I mean, look a lot of work, man, you feel 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.520 me like like we did a lot of work, but 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.680 the most but real talk like the highest degree of 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.720 difficulty was on Mike. Like acting is acting is an 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.000 insanely difficult thing to do, you know what I'm saying, 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.520 to to be able to embody another another human being, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.360 you know, and in this case, he had to embody. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.960 He had to embody two of them that had to 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.880 interdependent relationship on each other. Right, So we have to 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:44.800 make sure that party. 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:45.240 Could can act. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.560 But also Mike had to have to know what he 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.320 was going to do, because Party is not Mike, you 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:50.680 know what I'm saying. So you have to kind of like, 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.720 you know, we have to kind of walk through, all right, well, 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:53.840 what would he do when he smoke? 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:55.440 Right? What would he do when he stacked? 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.720 We had to decide who should go first, you know 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.960 what I mean, Because we're doing that, whoever goes set 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.280 think it's gonna have to really feed off what the 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.560 first one was. They can't walk through the body of 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.000 the other one even though they're not there. We got 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.640 to map that out. You know it was very very technical, bro, 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.640 you know what I mean. And uh but but I 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.400 was so impressed with I was so impressed with what 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.720 Michael was able to do, man Like, I think I 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.000 think these I think these two performances are are his 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.000 two best performances he's ever done, you know. And I've 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.360 been there all of them, feel me. But I've been 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:26.680 there for I've been there for some of the for 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.080 some of the you know, some of the great ones. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.200 Always say like like, you know, I wasn't there for 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.400 Jess Marshy. I wasn't there for Johnathan Jordan, you know, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.800 create to and creed three Hours of twel was an 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.199 executive producer C three I produced. But uh but but 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.120 as as far as like what I what I'm directing 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.839 right there standing out to the camera watching him, you know, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.400 man like, like straight up like you know, ya, I 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.480 haven't seen the movie with his two his two brothers. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.760 These dudes just gangsters, straight up, you know what I'm saying, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.120 Like all the school gangsters, like the gangsters that the 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.240 gangsters we came up under look, you know, came up 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:58.439 on her, you know, you know what I mean. And 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.360 World War One veterans and you know and and and 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.080 one brother is is far more gangster than the other one. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.559 You know what I mean, you were Actually it's funny 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.440 because it was it was it was complicated because he's 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.559 actually kind of cool, you know, like like constantly more 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.600 cunning than anything. You got that funny story about Nelly, Bro, 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.720 You know what I'm saying, what we said, he said, 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:22.960 Nelly calmly. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.000 Told you, like I got a continuous for everybody be like, yo, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.920 who's the person that came to the show that made 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:28.480 you feel like they were really you up? 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:29.760 I'm like Nelly. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.199 Yeah, like Nell, everybody be like Nelly is because he 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.920 had such a calm demeanor about so where I'm from, Bro. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.240 You know, you had the guys that was You had 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.559 the guys that was Rye and that didn't last long. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.439 You know, I mean I got killed early with the 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.760 jail earlier. The dudes that the dudes that last the longest, 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.959 the dudes that that was ship right there, and you 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:52.800 don't even know they just decided that gonna have you act. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:54.280 You know what I'm saying. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.480 The real scary ones, even in New York were the 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.960 ones that didn't say much, real quiet, real calm. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:01.680 Yeah, those are the ones you have to be scared. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.000 Yeah, So that's Smoke in the movie. And I'll never 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.280 forget Bro. Like like days zero, when we were shooting, 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.719 he came to shut out. He came to shut out 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:17.320 of Smoke, and and and Ruth Carter, who's a legendary costumer. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.240 Because she came up to me, I could tell she 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.199 was like a little bit, a little bit flustered, you 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:22.679 know what I'm saying. She was like, hey, you know 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:27.960 I got these She's like, I got this jewelry, you know, Uh, 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.040 you know I got I got different you know, like 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.360 kind of getting costumes together. And she was saying like, 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.120 and uh, you know, you know you gotta look at 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:38.679 it and tell me what you what you what you want? 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.480 Even have I put you know, I put both things 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.480 on him, you know, And she kind of was like, 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:43.599 you know, I could tell she kind of how to 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.480 you know, so you watched some Mike walked up and 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:48.680 and I've been doing like a long. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:50.040 Time, bro, you know, you know what I mean. We 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:51.400 were hummy. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.480 You feel me, and it's somewhile these energies to making 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.520 my blood run cold, you know what I mean. And 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.559 so I asked the question that she went. I was 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.439 like something about a bracelet, if you wanted a bracelet 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.599 or some or not. And and I said, bro, do 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.959 you want the bracelet on this on this arm for 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.760 smoke or this arm? And he said, he said, I'm indifferent. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.319 But he sat in like this deep Southern action, you 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:11.920 know what I'm saying. And I looked at him and 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.360 I was like, oh, ship character completely, like you know, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.880 he's completely somebody else, you know, you know what I'm saying. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.760 And he had like a thousand yard a thousand yards there, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:22.839 you feel me? And I was like, oh, maybe you 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.079 gotta get to work. I put him right in the 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:25.320 car and started, shoot, don't even know if I took 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:26.040 the bracelet off or not. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:28.199 Yeah, how do you? 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:28.599 How do you? 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:29.679 Well? 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.040 Two questions? Was this? Was that always the original plan 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:33.480 for Michael to play both those guys? 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:33.960 Absolutely? 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.520 Okay, so I guess you can't get in his mind. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.040 But how do you, as a director prepare him to 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:40.880 do different? 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:49.040 That's a great question, bro, so so so so it's 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:50.760 so deep to it, bro, But like, I don't know 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:51.880 what neighborhood y'all from? 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:52.400 You? 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:53.800 For Queens? Yeah? 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.240 And then South Carolina, sir, Yeah, so was it any 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.520 was it any like hood twins and y'all when y'all grew. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.000 Up, it's always a set of hood twins. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:05.400 Okay that's what Yeah, but no, okay, where are you from? 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:06.120 I'm from Delaware. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:07.000 I' from them to Delaware. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.240 It was actually god rest, So they just because they 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.160 still was getting into it, they just passed away this 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:13.800 past summer. 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.440 Yeah together, Yeah, you knew something we had. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.120 Yeah, we had I think one set of twins, but 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:20.920 a lot of brothers, but one city twins. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.920 Yeah, so you got brothers, right, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.319 But then you got twins like like so so like 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.520 from a lot of the hoods, you got got twins, 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.840 and and that would would be referred to as the twins. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.400 And when you see him, you can't some of the part, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.040 so a lot of people just call him twin, you know, 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.520 you know what I'm saying, Like like, I mean like, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.160 but but I used to think it was just like 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.520 a West Coast thing. But then I've seen this film 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.959 called The Craze and it was white twins. I was, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:44.559 I was, I was in you know, it was in 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.959 Uh it was cock me and doing that doing that 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.240 thing you know, and. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.000 I realized it was. It was, it was a whole thing. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.559 But but in Black culture, uh specifically West African culture, 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.200 it's like a it's like a spiritual thing. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:56.240 They're like twin. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.240 Deities out of Europe, but out of the europe religion, 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.080 you know what I'm saying. And the Yurope with people 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:05.880 over indexing fraternal twins, you know, so as African Americans, 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.880 we're most likely that we're more likely to have twins 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.160 and other than other people. Right, but with identical twins, 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.599 they scientifically don't even understand how it happens, you know 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.720 what I'm saying, Still a mystery of how of how 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.280 of how the feralized splits and why it does. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:20.560 Right. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.760 And my mom's older sisters are identical twins, my Auntie 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.440 Maryland and my Auntie Curlyn. They in their seventies now. 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.719 They live right next door to each other. One of 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.679 them was my godmother, you know what I'm saying. The 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.280 other one I'm still I'm still super tight with. But 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.439 they are completely identical, you know what I'm saying. With 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.760 my whole life growing up, I could tell which one 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.920 was which just by looking at how they hold they face, 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.760 you know, what I'm saying, and what their energy is 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.800 like when they walk into it they walk into a room, right. 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.679 So it's something I've always been cognized up so I'm 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.120 always thought about, you know, and I always wanted to 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:58.040 explore it. And with this movie, I wanted to hire 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.679 some twin consultants from Mike to talk to. I got 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:05.440 two hommies named Noah and Logan Miller like white dudes, 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.280 but they from They from the Bay Area, from from 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.319 not not far from where park with the high school, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.120 right and they and they really like Salt of the 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.079 Earth dudes, street dudes, And it became became filmmakers, you 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:16.640 know what I'm saying, like like hustled the hardway, didn't 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.040 go to film school and none of that. And they 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:20.640 and I hit him up and it was down. They 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:22.480 was like, yeah, we talked to him about it, and 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.920 bro was mind blowing. Many they would write up these 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.280 these kind of journals, you know what I mean, for 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.000 him for him to kind of look at and study 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.440 and they would kind of explain, uh, the mindset of 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.480 an identical twin and and and what I learned I 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.040 was also fascinating was that when when when identical twins, 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.160 siblings passed like they don't live long after, you know, 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:44.760 you know what I'm saying, Like it's one of those 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.160 things where it's such a symbiotic relationship, you know what. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:49.840 You know what I'm saying, that that that you know, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.320 you you start from in uterol with this, you know 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:53.920 what I'm saying with this, with this, with this person, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.440 you know what I mean, and you go through you 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.560 go through the world being othered, you know what I'm saying. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.960 It was also talking about how people would oftentimes like 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.840 play a game trying to trying to tell them apart, 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.760 you know, like how and how dehumanizing that. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.160 Is for them. You know what I'm saying. It's something 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:10.240 that they eventually get used to. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.400 But you know, like they work with Mike. It really 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.120 helped me work with work with who these with who 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.960 these characters are, you know, you know what I mean. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:20.720 And I got to know my friends better. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.680 Bro. You know, I'm not I know I've been going 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:25.160 for a while. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.640 But one funny thing I realized with them, I've been 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.320 knowing it for you for over a decade. I've been 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:32.480 knowing it for over a decade. And I had them 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.320 come over to my house in the bay just to 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.480 kind of work through some stuff before before they sat 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.640 down with Mike, And I never forget this, Like they 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.520 they came and sat down on my college and they 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.440 sit side, they sit sideway side, you know, I mean 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.640 they completely identical, right, you notice just about identical twins 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.720 whore rolling around a lot of times that they'll be 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.400 they'll be like, they'll be like touching each other looking 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.240 and I say, hey, man, I noticed y'all, Like y'all 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:56.800 like touching each other, y'all close enough to each other 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:57.200 to touch. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.320 And they're like yeah. And I'm like, when y'all when 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.760 y'all shit side by side, like that is that for me? 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.960 Or is that for y'all? And they say it's for you, right, 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:09.560 I'm like, and I'm like, so, y'all don't need to 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.120 be next to each other. It's like nah. They was like, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.400 but it freaks people out when we not, you know, 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.680 you know, cause because because you know so it's like 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.480 a thing like how you how you know, in all school, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:19.840 when you shake hands, you show both hands. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.440 That's how they That's how they approached the world. And 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.480 they say, as soon as we have a problem with somebody, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.360 like if we feel like if we feel under threat 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.200 or something like get physical to first they do is 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.920 split up so that you can't so you have to 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:33.760 turn your head to see the other one. So then 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:35.600 I was like, hey, have y'all ever had a like, 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.800 have y'all ever had a one on one? And they 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:38.760 said only with each other? 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.480 Wow? So the whole life right eve Ben jumping people? 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:48.200 You know, straight up, like I have a question about 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:48.520 the movie. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.040 Just hear you say that, And I don't know if 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.040 maybe I might be digging too deep, but tell me, 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.240 this is the thing. The first time we see Michael 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.520 Jordan in the role, they're side by side. And then 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.160 the first time we see one of the twins, I 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.240 think it's smoked Heaven issue where the men in the 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:02.800 back of the truck he by hisself? 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:04.320 Is that from that? 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:04.879 Like that? 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.359 Yeah, okay, you doing this thing? 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.840 Like because just hearing the like the inspiration, yes, like 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.919 that conversation because I have friends that are twins too, 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:15.760 and I never thought about that. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.560 Well yeah, like like like so so that that's that's 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:23.720 the other thing we learned about about about these symbiotic relationships. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:25.040 It's like. 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.480 When you get them by themselves, the individual, the individual 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.760 differences come out and become more prevalent, become more prevalent, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.480 and and and the thing with smoking Stack is the 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.919 whole dynamic want to ruin the movie. Man comes out, 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:46.720 But the dynamic between them is one isn't is inherently 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.160 more violent and more practical the other one. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.800 The other one is is a kinder person, you know 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:53.320 what I'm saying. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.720 So the situation she's talking about smokes by himself and 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.520 catching somebody trying to steal it from you know what 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.280 I'm saying. And Stack's not there to be like, hey 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:02.960 let him ride, you know, you know, you know what 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:07.359 I'm saying. So you know, but but Stack also needs, 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.200 you know what I'm saying, smoke because he's two lax, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:10.640 you know what I mean? 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:11.639 Two and two and two come. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.679 So you see that, you know, you see the uh, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.040 the the issues that arise with that when they split up. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.600 For about you know, twenty twenty five minutes in a movie. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:21.560 What made you want to do this movie? Was it 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.080 the complexity of what you're talking about or what caught 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:25.760 you with this movie? 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:28.680 There's some family ties, right. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.200 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so I can talk about all of 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:32.560 it here. It's the best it's the best place to 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.560 talk about man. Thank you, thank y'all for inviting, because 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.000 y'all y'all get all of this. So, so look, I 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:44.040 had an uncle, uh now, uncle James Edmonson, and he 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.280 was he was he was he was born and raised 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:51.280 in Mississippi. But then but then flagg uh to Auckland 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.119 when he was like in his twenties, you know. So 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.840 so you know, that's where I was born. And we 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.239 probably like the second way with a great migration, right 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.960 you know. And and he was the he was basically 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.879 like the oldest member of my family for for all, 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:09.720 this male member of my family for a long time. 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.040 And when my parents couldn't afford to buy a house 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:14.840 on Auckland, we ended up moving to Richmond, which is 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.560 you know, it's essentially like like Newark would be here 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.200 here and here in New York, right if Oakland was Brooklyn. 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.520 And and shortly after we moved, my uncle James his 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.399 family moved. It was like down the block from me, 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.480 you know. So I would go spend time with him 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:32.320 to get out the house, I could walk to his house. 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:34.399 And all he would do when he was off from 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.760 work is he would listen to to to either watch 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.200 it San Fransco Giants game on TV, or he would 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.000 listen to it on the radio for what in televas 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.160 to drink all Tyler whiskey and play blues records on vinyl, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.000 you know what I'm saying. And I came to associate 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.680 that music with him. I didn't think about the music, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.000 you know, for me, And for me it was it 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:52.000 was you know what I'm saying, it was it was 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:52.720 rapping R and B. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:53.040 Right. 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:58.040 But but in twenty fifteen, he ended up, he ended 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.800 up passing away and and he and he and he 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.359 he got shick while I was making Creed. 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:05.720 So I was like, I was, I was. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.640 I was in Philly for most of the time while 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:09.440 he was sick. Then I had to go to l A, 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.159 you know what I'm saying and do post production. And 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.480 I got the call that he died while I was like, 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.440 I don't know, like picture locking or something, and I 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:18.600 felt like ship bro, can. 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:19.480 I cuts on this course? 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:19.840 Yeah? 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.040 I felt like ship Bro. I remember being in the 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:22.520 in the. 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.800 Hallway with my wife who who who produced this movie 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.840 Centers and just and just feeling like just feeling like 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:29.920 what the fuck am I doing? 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:31.520 Man? I'm not I'm not at home with my you 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:31.960 know what I'm saying. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:33.720 I'm like, I'm not going I'm like in a hallway 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.159 and in the middle of l A and some some 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.600 dirty production facility, you know, you know what I'm saying. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.520 And and I and I I made at home for 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.520 the funeral, but I never reckoned with that, that that 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.040 that feeling of of not being there with somebody who 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.040 was so important to me. And and so I would 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:51.879 find myself when I was thinking about him playing like 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.560 all blues records you feel me like and I And 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:56.479 when I would listen to him, it was like if 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:58.159 I caused my eyes like he was there with me, 0:20:58.320 --> 0:20:59.600 you know, you know what I'm saying, Like the power 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.200 of the the power of music to be able to 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.960 do that right, and so so you got that. 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:11.880 There was another element to it. Uh So I've been making. 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.399 Films based on other things basically my whole my whole career, right, Like, 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:22.280 Like my first feature film was Frouville, and I was 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.240 based on a really like a real thing that happened, 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.159 you know what I'm saying where where I'm from, right, 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.760 And it's it's only you know, it's it's only it's 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:31.399 only so many ways you tell that story. And I 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:32.800 was trying to tell it the way that that that 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.880 that that that I had the most integrity for where 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.159 I'm from before, for his family and for that who 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.639 that who that young man was who was murdered by 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.280 but by the police officer, right, and and and and 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.240 then then I was forced to make like a movie 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:51.840 in the Rocky in the Rocky Universe, right, you know 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.480 what I'm saying, a movie about Paul Creed's son. And 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:56.960 like I hired for the Black Panther movies, you know 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.520 what I'm saying. You know, these all stuff based on 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.840 other things. So so I'm on Panther two and it's 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:04.760 it's taken a long time. We had a lot of experience, 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.680 a lot of a lot of tragedy, a lot of misfortune. 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.080 It's a lot that that wasn't just us, by the way. 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.040 It was during the global pandemic, you know what I'm saying. 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:15.439 And and and you know. 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:23.480 Tragically lost our actor, uh rest peace. So I had 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.520 to have to refigure that out, you know what I'm saying, 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.560 and keep it together with everybody who was who was 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.960 involved still want to still want to make something and 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.440 our lead actress, Lovely letch Wright was was injured on set. 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.640 Had to have to shut down for that am Cron 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.360 shuts down and and you know, and in Atlanta ended 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:40.640 up being like a four year movie. 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:40.840 Bro. 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:41.520 Wow. 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.040 And and I remember we was going through maybe the 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.920 worst of you man, and and and what would get 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:47.360 me through? 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:49.639 You know what I'm saying. While I was out there, 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:52.439 was listening to was listening to some of my favorite artists, Bro. 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:55.640 And I was listening to a lot of nip Rest 0:22:55.720 --> 0:23:00.520 and Peace. I was listened to a lot of golf right. Look, look, 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:02.600 but when I was listening to dol Bro, it wasn't 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:06.080 a resting piece yet. Bro wasn't resting piece yet. And 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:07.679 and I'll never forget Bro. 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:08.080 I think it was. 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:13.160 I think it was November seventeenth, twenty twenty one. I'm 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.720 in Byron, Georgia. Bro and I see my first cotton 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.679 field in my life. We were riding and. 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.280 I and I saw it. I taught the driver man't 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.960 pull over. You know what I'm saying, bounced talk. I 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.040 never I had never seen one before. You know, you know, 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.080 driver White, No, he's not. 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:36.080 He probably was like finally trying to get them back here, Bro, who's. 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:36.479 Our driver name? 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:40.440 Baby h Craig. 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:45.320 Oh yeah, it was shouts off the craig Man. Black 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:49.480 Man from Cradle from New York. You're create from Okay, 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.639 black Man from New York. But she was in We was, 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:54.800 you know, walking out of Atlanta right like verybody was 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.879 making the movies Dan Bow, Bro, and. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.320 I go, I go. I literally like when I went 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:04.720 into the field just to see it, Bro, I was 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:06.600 having like a crazy ash you know, you know what 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:06.960 I'm saying. 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:14.960 Moment was like like what that felt like? I keep it, honey, 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.240 but I couldn't. I couldn't describe it. I couldn't describe it, Bro, 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:23.520 because like I felt guilty. I felt like, you know, 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.399 I've been on this show. We talking about going to Africa, 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.680 you know what I'm saying. And I wanted to get 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.800 type deal with my ancestors and and and and but 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.600 then was my ancestors one hundred years we moved. This 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:37.840 is my ancestors, Howndrey. 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:38.240 Years you moved? 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.560 Hadn't hadn't been there, hadn't seen it, you know, you 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:43.520 know you know what I'm saying. So it was it 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.080 was like an overwoman since a guilt where when where 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:54.000 anything right, And uh I took something, you know, and 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:57.520 uh I believe that day when when I heard he 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:01.080 was right, you know, and I and I. 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.320 Was I had never met this dude. I never met Nick, 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:05.280 you know what I'm saying. 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:08.000 But but but I felt like but I felt like 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:09.600 I knew him, you know, you know what I'm saying, 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:15.080 like from from from the music and and I remember 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.840 being like, man, fuck this, like because because you gotta 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.479 keep in mind, I was in the Bay, Bro, going 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:22.760 to football practice with my homies. 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.480 We heard pop God and we were sea pot you know. 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.000 You know you know what I'm saying, Like it shut 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.760 the whole It shot our whole football practice down. The 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.359 mamas was crying, the cultures was crying, and I'm like, 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:35.679 I'm like, bro as a fan of his music, Bro, Bro, 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:37.879 it's been a lifetime and this ship Bro. Like like 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:41.480 like being in being in Philly on Creed and hearing 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:43.880 that that that the jack or reustion piece got killed. 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:45.399 You know what I'm saying, that keep the sneak got 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:45.960 shot in the back. 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:46.600 He paralyzed. 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:48.520 Now like I'm like, you know, my hummies out that 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:50.320 that came up and was rapping. He never heard of 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:52.520 you Feel Me that that, And I'm like, I'm like, Bro, 0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:54.440 I can't listen to this music right now, Bro, I can't. 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:55.840 I gotta take a break. You feel Me? 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:59.400 And I remember venting to my producer, who is from 0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:03.440 into California, from close black man, but from a different 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:08.800 culture there, and and I say, man, I said, Bro, 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:10.080 what kind of music is here? 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:10.280 Bro? 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:16.800 Where the artist talks about how to navigate where they're from, 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:18.560 how to escape all the demons they dealing with. 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:24.000 Man, Like she get to the thirties and still fall 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:26.000 victim to the ship? Bro, what music exists like this? 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:26.280 I was. 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.840 I was saying that, like like he looked at me. 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.040 He's a smart dude, Moore. He looked at me Bro, 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:33.520 and like and like in a real empathetic way. It 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:37.159 conshittered it and he was like, he's like, man, my 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:38.040 favorite music like that. 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.400 I said, what music is that? He said, Man, grunge music. 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.879 I said, huh m hm. He said yeah, man, he's 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:46.600 like he said, we just lost Chris Cornell Bright. He 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:47.320 was in his fifties. 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:50.000 Yeah, he was like, he's like, all that music is 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:51.639 about struggling with you know what I'm saying, struggling with 0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:54.680 that demon's depression and trying and kick dope, you know 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:56.000 what I mean. And they end up, you know, they 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:57.520 get get all the money in the world, standing up 0:26:57.560 --> 0:26:58.520 dying in the hotel rooms. 0:26:58.760 --> 0:26:58.920 You know. 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.159 I said, ship, damn, you know. 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.920 And what's crazy is in the Bay our biggest radio 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.720 station when I point when came here, and the only 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:10.680 rock song I ever played on that station Bro coming 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:12.399 up with Nirvana with smell like teen Spirit. 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.159 So I was like, Man, let me dig into this 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:15.800 grunge music. 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:17.720 I'm I'm gonna take a break from you know what 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:21.280 I'm saying, from listen to gruns And I started listening 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.480 to it, Bro, and I was like, Man, this. 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.480 Ship something like with my uncle used to play like 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:33.000 I was. I was listening to like it's literally like 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:33.800 I'm listening to it. 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:36.840 I'm listening to the guitar ribs and like what they're 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.520 talking about and and like like the passionate seeing with 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:45.880 and I'm like, that's all man, I thunk into the research, man, 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:47.159 And that's exactly what it is. 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:48.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:49.560 It's just it's just it's just blues me to some 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.600 of my white people, you know. You know what I'm saying, 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.920 and that was that was when I was like, and 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:57.960 it's just it's just like within it same twenty four hours, 0:27:58.000 --> 0:27:59.280 you know. You know what I'm saying that was That 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:05.879 was was that's I was like Sherry cropping blues, the 0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:10.720 evolution of it, the h the racious origins of genre 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.240 as a concept, you know what I'm saying. Like, I'm like, 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:15.920 I think it's a movie in this, you know. And 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:19.399 and I'm just a big horror movie fan, bro, I like, 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.760 I like, I like horror and all this fashions, and 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.520 nobody really knew that about me, you know what I'm saying, 0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.879 because of the movies that I that I made, So 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:28.800 I put that with it too, and and you know, 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:30.959 this is this is how you got how you got shinish. 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:31.600 Just that makes sense. 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.200 I want to say rest in peace to it because 0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.280 we just, uh, it was the six y anniversary of 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.680 his pasting like last week, and I also want to 0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:39.640 say rest in peace to Dove. 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:41.640 It's something going on with Dolph Energetically. 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.120 I don't know what it is, because I've been listening 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.560 to Young Dolph a lot in the past forty eight hours. Yeah, 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:47.360 I've been saying and am I missed off? And I've 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.840 been telling my my wife and my my my cousin, 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:50.600 who's my trainer? 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:52.360 Yeah, I'm like, y'all want some new Dolph music. 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:53.560 And I don't know why I've been saying at the 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.640 last for I can show you my playlist, show you 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:57.160 how much doff I show. 0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:58.520 You the last forty eight hours. 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.280 So now he got me through reping. People look Bro 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:03.120 like Nick, I. 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:04.640 Just I just talked. I just talked to I'll just talk. 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:06.920 I just talked to black Sham the other day. But 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:12.840 with Nick Nick reshing peace bro Hen me and me 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:14.479 and my wife was going through a tough time. Bro 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:19.520 when we released Panther one, and like the whole, the whole, 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.880 it was a really it was really uh odd experience 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.080 because because from the we was on top. It was 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:26.720 on top of the world, right and we was in 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.000 a certain extent, but but personally was going through some 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:35.640 ship and and Bro never I'll never forget Bro. Ship 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:39.280 was so heavy that that that that you know we 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.440 normally you know, the Bay, the Bay of l a 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:43.280 like a like a you know our flight, you feel me. 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:45.840 But I was like I was like, man, let's rent 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.680 a car and let's drive up to the Highway one 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.120 because our whole lives we're hearing about how beautiful. 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:50.440 Highway one is. 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.600 So let's rent a cars drive up Highway one. She 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:56.640 just coached everybody been talking about our whole lots. 0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.360 You feel me? And she was like, she was like, 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.920 all right, bet we put all finished. The movie went 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:02.120 to a. 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.080 Wrinkling time screening, because that's our that's our sister, you 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.840 feel me knocked out all and he was like, let's 0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:12.080 get back to the crib. So up the coach, bro 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:19.920 Man Victory lave all ride whole ride turned. 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:23.560 Off, and spend it back right. And and I always 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:27.440 associate him with the feeling of healing. That album. 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.400 That album brought us in that time, you know, you 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:33.880 know what I'm saying. And and and my association with 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.080 him was one of my best friends was down from from. 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:38.760 He did. 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.120 He did it rough for ten years, but he went 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.320 in when I was in when I was when I 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:46.600 was in film school. Came out the year the year 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.480 Black Panther came out, you know what I'm saying. 0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.760 And I'll stay tapped in with him, you know, money 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.360 on his books, you know, And they would transfram all 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:55.360 over all over the country. 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:55.960 You know what I'm saying. 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.320 Every time you're transferighting, bro, he was like, need all 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.280 my NIP albums, Bro, I need I need, I need 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.160 them more. So I got to I have to rebind Marathon. 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:05.640 I have to find him and I got and I 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:07.440 gotta find it on the uh you know, on the 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:08.120 prison system. 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.520 You know, you know what I'm saying. And and you 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.480 know Nick got him through, you know his incarceration. You 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.160 feel me so yeah, bro, like when when when when. 0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:18.760 You know? 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:21.200 And when you listen to somebody you feel like you 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:21.720 know them. Bro. 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:23.240 You know it's just a different type of y'all do 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.880 radio right, People probably listening y'all every morning, think y'all 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:26.440 their best friends. 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:27.400 You know. You know what I'm saying. 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.360 It's that it's that type of uh, it's that type 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:33.880 of get Dawn man. And and I showed the movie 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.440 to another to another filmmaker, mohammikal Matic. 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:36.960 Who's from l A. 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.560 You know that did the host Party film and did 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.800 the White Man Can't Jump sequel, and and amazine music 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.240 video director just did the just did the uh scrabble 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.360 up video right shouting centers. 0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:53.520 First thing you say to me, man, seeing. 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:55.080 Them two dudes that it felt like it felt like 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:57.760 it felt like nip and sham, you know what I'm saying. 0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:58.240 And I wasn't. 0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.000 I wasn't even thinking about I wasn't even thinking about 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:01.960 the fact that these two you know what I'm saying, 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.160 he's the too brothers, Like we're gonna get it, you know, 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:05.800 you know what I'm saying. Like like when you said 0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:07.800 that to me, Bro, that ship hit me on a 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.720 different you know, on a different level. I was like, Okay, Yeah, 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.080 I'm okay. Maybe my my cinematic language is getting to 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.640 it's getting to where it needs to be because because 0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:21.400 I'm putting things and I'm feeling I'm maybe not even thinking. 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:22.760 About you know, you know what I'm saying. 0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:24.560 And that's crazy cause when they talk about centers, they 0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:29.000 talk about how your your genre blending right, drama, you 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:30.200 gotta put hip hop in there too. 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:32.480 All it's all over there the movie. 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:36.160 I feel like even in the way that the smoke 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.840 and his smoking, his brother shack Stack smoking Sack, even 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:41.360 the way that they like maneuver and the way that 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.280 they move, like even it's small stuff in there and 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.800 you I'm here, you say that it wasn't purposely, I guess, 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:48.680 but even the way he pulls out his gun and 0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:50.960 stuff like that, it's like it's so much to it. 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:52.920 And when when I was watching the parts that I 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.080 did see of it, I was just seeing her thinking 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.040 like wow, Like I wonder how many times you sit 0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.440 and watch it and you catch something different every single 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.200 time because it's like layered, and I think some of 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.320 it is not on purpose, Like does that happen to you? 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:05.960 Still? Yeah? 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:11.160 Yeah, I oftentimes catch things with this movie, especially because 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.240 it was so personal, you know what I'm saying. And 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:15.960 I've become a more experienced filmmaker, you know, you know 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.840 what I mean, And I'll be like, oh, I was 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.440 doing that and I ain't you know, I ain't realizing. 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.880 And the other thing that happens man when you when 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.560 you work on on uh, because our our r form 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:31.600 is is it's a tricky one, right, like you know. 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:38.160 For instance, the young great legend Rod Wave watched the 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.560 movie and then went knocked out a song for us 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.920 in the day inspired about inspired a byt the film, 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:44.640 and Ship is a song. I'm like, yo, this sh 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:46.720 is done? You know you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:50.040 like you know, like there's nothing we can nothing else 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:52.800 we can do do fis we can't touch it took him, 0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:58.680 took him a night, you know, but we're working the years, 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:03.520 right And what's what's crazy is you know you're not 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.320 even the same person in four. 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:06.440 Months, you know what I'm saying. 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:10.120 Like I've written the screenplay and then got to like 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.520 the last day of shooting, and I'm looking at the 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:12.640 strip like what the fuck was I Like? 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:13.919 Who wrote this? You know what I'm saying. 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.399 Often I often say that, like what was I thinking? 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.640 You know, you know, and and and and I'm trying 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:22.160 to get back into my own head from from you 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.880 know what I'm saying, from from time past, and you know, 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:27.239 you know, you're editing the film and mixing it sound, 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.040 and sometimes I'll be like, oh, that's what I meant, 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.200 you know, you know you know what I'm saying, Like 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:31.960 that's what this is. 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.120 You feel me? But yeah, I still I still I 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:35.200 still see things, man. 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:38.560 And because it's not because it's and it wasn't based 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.719 on anything like direct so I was so you pull 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.600 from yourself, you know, you know what I'm saying. 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:45.319 So I see a lot of a lot of myself. 0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:46.560 And I had to google that when I was watching it, 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:47.919 like is this based on the true story? 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:48.680 Because it so? 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:51.719 But you the opening scene too, it's the center of 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.840 the opening scene is the black church. Yeah, and it 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.200 was such a powerful scene and then you backtrack into 0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.560 like a completely different version of that character. Can you 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.319 talk about the choice too. I don't want to give 0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:04.120 it away, but like I thought that that was like 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:05.080 really powerful the way. 0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.160 That you did talk about that easy work. Yeah, yeah. 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:08.640 So when I was doing I did a lot of 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.480 research on the on the movie. The two the two 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:16.560 like the big work research workhorses for me were two books, 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.839 uh le, Roy Jones' Blues People l Roy Jones letter 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.120 changed his name to Mary Baraka. But when you find 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.080 that when you looking for that text, it'll be because 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:27.480 we published it with Roy Jones. 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:31.440 It will generally be publishing that. That's a black man, 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:32.879 Black and alect. 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.480 You were talking about the blues culture and then and 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:40.800 then there's another book called Deep Blues by by a 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:42.360 music collegist named Robert Palmer. 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.160 The white Dude. You know what I'm saying, talking talking. 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:48.760 About talking about blues music, about the incredible books. 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:48.960 Man. 0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:51.759 But but in researching all those books and learning about 0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:56.760 the great Delta blues musicians, you know. And it started 0:35:56.800 --> 0:36:00.320 with a guy named Charlie Patton essentially, and it started 0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:04.480 on the Doctor Doctory Farms plantation in Mississippi, is you know, 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:06.480 is where I kind of where they feel like the 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.239 first true Delta blues song as. 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.480 His norm was played right. Uh. 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:16.920 But in his in his lineage, there there comes Tommy Johnson, 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:18.920 who was the first dude to run around say he 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:20.719 saw the song to the Devil to learn how to play. 0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:21.480 You know. 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.719 It was Robert Johnson who is the more known dudes 0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:25.440 to to kind of say he saw the song to 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.960 the Devil to play. Yeah, yeah. 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.040 And in between there is a dude named Son House 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:36.040 who essentially outlived all those guys. And what you learn 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:40.239 is almost every single last one of these dudes not 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.040 only came out of the church, but like Daddy's was preachers. 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.080 It was like almost it was like almost constant, you 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:46.600 know what I mean. 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.839 And and and what I realized is I'm like, oh, 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:54.120 like the the that that like the African Orator, you know, 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:55.879 you know what I'm saying, like like that's a that's 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.239 a that's a long line from the from the from 0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:01.080 the from the Griot. You know what I'm saying to 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.000 to you know, to Rod Wave today, you know, you know, 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:08.520 you know what I'm saying. And like that, it's all 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.120 versions of the same thing. The Preacher at the Poor Pick, 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:12.160 you know what I'm saying. 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:18.080 You know the musicality of of the Black Preacher, you know, 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.120 most known, most known with Martin Luther King Junior. Right, 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.160 you know what I'm saying, Like like like you know, 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.920 the you know, you know what I'm saying, like like 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.080 the animation you feel me like that. 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.680 That's all from the continent, but it was deeply it 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.040 was deeply refined in the in the you know what 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.279 I'm saying, in the American South, you know what I mean. 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:40.759 And you know, the best blues musicians basically came out 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:42.600 of it, came out of the church, and the blues 0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:43.959 was known as the Devil's music. 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:44.560 You know what I'm saying. 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:46.680 It was It was a huge economy, like like, you know, 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:51.359 a lot of a lot of anxiety and judgement out 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:52.759 of that, and a lot of guilt, you know what 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.880 I'm saying. Like, dudes, would be huge substance a musics 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.800 and house will basically go like he'll he'll basically go 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:02.359 like five years drinking and playing blues music, five years 0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.680 sober and preaching, five years drinking and playing blues music, 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:07.160 ten years sober. 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:08.800 Now he got his own church. You know. You know 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.440 what I'm saying it was. It was that kind of cycle. 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.080 So that's that's why we started it like that. 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:13.680 You know, they said you got to go ahead nine 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:15.520 to fifty. But I got three questions. I gotta got 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.080 like two minutes. Different energy brings different things out of pe. 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:22.800 What did Chad Wick Bothman bring out of you that 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:23.279 Michael B. 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:23.920 Jordan does? 0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:27.279 Man? 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.640 So, so that's a fucking fantastic question, Bro, It's a 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.799 fantastic question because I just had to doing his press tour. 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:36.160 You know, because because out. 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:38.480 Of all of my actors, Bro, and all of my actors, 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.680 Chad's death actually hit Mike the hardest, you know, and 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:45.680 and I and I I never had to talk about that, 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:49.080 but we were doing we were doing press together now 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:53.480 and look, man, Chad was older than us, Bro, Like, like, 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:55.680 he was quite a bit older than us, even though 0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:56.920 he looked like he was the same. 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:57.759 As he was not. 0:38:58.080 --> 0:38:59.600 You know, I'm saying I was a fully baked man 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.640 from the South. You know, you know what I'm saying. 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:03.960 Like he was an old school he was an old 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:08.000 school man's man. And and compared to that dude when 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:09.520 we worked together, brought me and Michael's kids. 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:11.960 You know, you know what I'm saying. And and and 0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.960 what Chad taught me, Bro, I mean he changed my life. Bro, 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.680 you know what I'm saying. But but but he was. 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.799 He was the kind of teacher who you never knew 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.239 you was getting a lession when he talked. You know, 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:25.799 you know what I'm saying. It was it was all. 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:27.600 It was all by all by. 0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:29.359 Example, you know, you know what I'm saying. 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:31.719 And what he what he what he gave me. And 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:38.239 Michael was patience. You know, he moved he moved out 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:42.840 an old school pace and and and he he he 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:43.640 took his time. 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.600 He was always early. You know what I'm saying. 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.160 He was that type of He was that type of dude. Bro, 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.080 you know what I'm saying, And and and and I 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.920 think that you know, I don't think Mike. I don't 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.719 think Michael would be it. Look, man, I taught him 0:39:56.760 --> 0:40:00.680 like and Michael, tell you is I told him, Man, 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:02.759 I said, hey, Bro, what would child do you know 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.359 what I'm saying in this role, if you had this role, 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:05.800 what do you do? 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:06.759 You know? 0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.680 Because Chad never broke accent. You know what I'm saying. 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:11.400 He was talking in an African accent. Bro, you put 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.160 me for dinner at nine o'clock. I remember the Disney 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.560 executives came, came and seen as a panther like week 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.600 two and he put it up and it was it 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:19.920 was it was a child's accent. 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:20.600 What was going on? 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.719 That was freaked out? And I was like, gonna be 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.160 free thought. He's working And that's how you don't turn 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:27.440 it off to we rat you know. 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:29.480 You know what I'm saying, and and and and no 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.640 shame or embarrassment and that. But that's how he was. 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:33.600 That's how he was moving, you know, you know what 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:34.000 I'm saying. 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.320 And and for Mike to see that, to see that 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:39.800 up close, to have to do scenes across from that, 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.000 and for me to be able to set that to him, 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:44.000 you know what I'm saying, like like like that that 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:45.520 he transitioned to become an ancestor. 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.680 Bro, what what what the big homie? Do? 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:48.200 You know? 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:50.520 You know what I'm saying, Like boom locked in you 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.640 know what I'm saying and look bro, like like the 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.239 difference is, man, look man, won't ever be another child? 0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:57.400 Bro? 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.480 You feel me like like that should I? That's the difference. 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:02.840 Like it's like asking somebody, bro, what was it like 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.680 to shut up across from from from Mike Jordan's you 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:06.200 know what I'm saying? 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.040 Like you know, like like you know it made you 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:09.960 a better hooper? I bet you know you know what 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.160 I'm saying, like like and you know, and that's what 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:13.200 it was, you know what I mean? 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:14.640 And we got no more. You know, they gotta go? 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.480 Yeah do you Hey? I don't know. I want to go. 0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:22.880 You gotta come back right so much, so much. 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:25.600 Want something. 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:27.440 I just want something to sell and I want to 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:29.280 tell people because see the movie in theaters. 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:30.279 You know what I'm saying. 0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:31.799 I guess, I guess. 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:33.439 I stayed on chat just a little because I recently 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.000 saw a video with Denzel was speaking about his first time. 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:37.960 Seeing Black Panther. Yeah, he said he made him feel 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.160 like he could pass the torch because of you, because. 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.040 It was it was so much deeper than that. It 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:43.799 was so much deeper than Danzel I ever show. Because 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:48.440 he's humble looking man. Chiro was at Howard University, bro 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:53.640 and and he was maybe the most brilliant actor I 0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.000 ever come through there Bro. If Felicia Shaw knew it, 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.879 he was there to be a filmmaker. If Felicier Shaw 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.440 wanted to see him where they where they you know, 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.200 where they really do it, it'll be the it'd be 0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:06.720 the equivalent of a Hooper in and it's Victor women Yama. 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.480 Right you in Paris, Bro, We're finishing you to go 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:11.840 hoop of Lebron. We're finishing you to the station. You 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.120 know what I'm saying, and go really eighty two game 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:17.160 season against where basketball is life. You know what I'm saying. 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.400 And in the UK acting his life, you know what 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:23.120 I'm saying. That's where, that's where it's at. Right, Felicia 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:24.320 was like, I want to get you to Oxford. I 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:28.960 want to get you on stage in London. Shot from Anderson, 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:33.439 South Carolina. Right, flis like, when I'm worry, I'm finding 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:37.280 somebody to take care of you goes it in. Zelzel says, 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:40.640 I want to I want to take care of it 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:42.000 for the kid. I don't want I don't want them 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:43.239 to know it's me and I don't want to know 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:43.800 nothing about it. 0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:44.160 Wow. 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:48.920 Right, let's just said, hey, we got a donor for you. 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.200 Says about to Oxford. He goes to shut the ship down, 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:55.080 comes back to tatick balls. 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:55.600 Right. 0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:59.200 You know what I'm saying. Later on his career, Felicia 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:01.080 put him to this sigh. Ay man, I was in 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:07.520 jail that pay for that. Wow. Wow. Chadwick seized the 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:11.600 exailing passion for years and years and years and years 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:12.320 and years. 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.920 It's the patience I'm talking about. Knew it wasn't time 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:16.440 to tell him yet, right. 0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:19.279 Premiere in l A. 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.400 Form here in New York. Then Jel said I can 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:26.040 pull up. He was doing broad I think he was 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.120 doing the Iceman coming up or something. He said, I 0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.319 can pull up. I said, all right, bet I teld 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.160 my act. I said, Heydnzel coming to night try immediately 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:35.640 put me to the side, said I gotta talk to 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:39.279 him before before before they go in and watch. And 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.640 I said, what's going on? He wisher in my ear, 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:43.520 But I got I gotta thank you for something, you 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:45.239 know what I'm saying. So Danzel pull up? 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:45.480 Man. 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:48.840 He Denzel don't like to be He's not a Hollywood 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:50.879 person crazy enough. He wanted to come into the back. 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:52.719 He don't want to do the carpet, you know, I mean, 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:53.680 dresses very down. 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:55.759 And so I grabbed you. I said that somebody want 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.560 to talk to you. Put him to the side, and 0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:59.800 my wife was there. It was, it was, it was, 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:00.239 it was. 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.600 It was me, Zenji and dan Zel and chat in 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.640 the room and in the DJ Theater in New York, 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:06.360 right here in Manhattan. 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:09.359 And then heell pull up. I was like, hey, man, 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:09.719 what's going on? 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:14.040 You know in chat chat whispering his fucking ears ship. 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:19.239 But that was me and thank him right, That's why 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:21.279 Jel was crying, you know what I'm saying when he 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.160 watched the movie like it was because of that. 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:31.719 And for me, I I don't think it's gonna drop. 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:39.680 I think I got it. You got it. So that's 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.080 the look. Man. Do you know how many actors bro 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:43.719 as soon. 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:44.880 As they would have gone on they would have went 0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:46.360 on the show and said, yeah, man, Denzel paid for 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:47.160 me to go to Oxford. 0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:50.200 Do you know how many articles they would have got 0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:55.840 out of that M forty two press Round'm Jackie Robinson. 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:57.880 Oh yeah, man, By the way, Danzel paid for me 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:03.080 to it's real. 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.719 That's why, that's why it's almost impossible for you to 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:08.920 even think about recasting a job. 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.359 It's not it's not, it's not. I mean, it's it's 0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.400 but with the multiverse, it makes it a little I mean, 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:19.279 we talk, we talk, we talk about that. 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:23.239 Next we can ask one more question about SIS and 0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:25.440 it's really about Mike, because the relationship you and Mike have, 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:29.080 I think does not get enough credit. I really don't 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.239 like y'all are unity and group operation per signified. Y'all 0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:35.520 have a symbiotic relationship or did it was it? Was 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.160 it a media or the developable? 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.520 It developed? Bro Like like I like in it too. 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:41.840 I liking it to. 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:46.160 A quarterback and and uh, you know in a white out, 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.520 you know what I'm saying, Like I play I play 0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:53.960 receiver in uh in college football. And it's like that, 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.920 like it gets to the point where you know, we 0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:01.719 got a shorthand and we hold each other accountable. We 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:03.480 also push each other like we're not trying to do 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.480 the same thing we did before. You know what I mean, 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.920 We're not gonna show up and and go through the motions. 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:11.000 We're trying to shove up and and and get bigger 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.279 and better each time. But the thing about but brother, 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:15.799 keeping the honey man. The thing I love the most 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:19.560 about Mike is his kindness, bro like like like he's 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:20.920 he's a he's a number one on the car. She 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:25.440 big old, giant, fucking movie star. He's incredibly kind to 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:26.279 everybody on set. 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:29.680 Focused nose the AD's name, nose the p a's name, 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:31.440 don't come on the set. They don't look me in 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:32.920 the eye. You know what I'm saying, Never raise a 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:34.480 good woice anybody, you know, you know what I mean. 0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:38.440 And he works his ass off, so it sets a 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:42.960 tone for everybody that you're gonna be respectful, respectful to 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:44.760 the to the p A up top, to the producer. 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:46.480 We're gonna respect women, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.400 we're gonna we're gonna're gonna be gonna be kind. You know, 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:50.880 we're not gonna you know, because a film second get 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:52.880 can get gnarly, you know what I mean, if if 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:54.359 you don't, you know, if you don't set the right 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:54.839 tone right. 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.160 So so for me, I'm always he always gonna have 0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:59.080 a job before making something. He a good person. 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:00.719 Even when you see him in his element, he'll take 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.080 pictures with kids. He'll stop to take pictures to speak 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:04.720 to older people, especially when your jerseys. 0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:05.560 It's ten times work. 0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:07.439 We're gonna be all in York tonight for a screen. 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:09.400 Yeah yeah, he's like really like that. 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:10.440 He just don't like. 0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:14.439 But besides that, Charlomon always messing him about the type 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:15.080 of woman he liked. 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.400 That man, but. 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.680 Nice of emotion and and here you come. 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:28.480 So he's a good elements. 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:31.000 I just messed with him a couple of times about 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:32.560 the white woman he was dating. I'll stay away from 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.680 that crazy man. Don't let doctor him all down. That's 0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:37.120 all nothing crazy. 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:39.360 But now he's a good. 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.239 I promise you won't last three times ago. 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:47.800 How do you accept an apology from thenzel Watt because 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:49.359 he said he apologize. 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:52.480 To you like you. That's that's the that's the old 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:54.960 g Like do you even accept like no, he did 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:55.920 even get mad at him. 0:47:56.320 --> 0:48:00.080 No man, no man, i I'm I'm I'm blessed to 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:02.879 have you in my life, bro, like straight up man, 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:06.839 and I'm blessed through through having him. 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.320 I get Paul Letter. He was a bigger blessing. You 0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:13.839 know what I'm saying. I just just seen last night. Yeah, man, 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:18.560 he apology, Bro, him saying that we're gonna work together, 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:19.600 apologize for that. 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:21.920 That's what I'm saying. That's what when he calls you. 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:23.960 He was just like he was. He was more than 0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.040 more than he was. Like, hey, Bro, I say too much, 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:28.040 like it wasn't all it wasn't you know, I say 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:29.480 too much. Man, I ain't mean to make your heart. 0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:32.120 I'm like, you're good, You're good. You always happy to 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.359 hear from you. Man, you FaceTime me in the whole hype, 0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:36.320 you know what I mean. Like like, but it's just 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:39.600 just I'm blessed, bro, to be able to to be 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:45.040 able to you know, to have these these these mentors, bro, 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:46.799 Like like I feel like God looks after me, Bro. 0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:48.759 And when I lose when I gained one, you know, 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:50.959 you know what I'm saying. And you know I started 0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:52.960 talking about this losing my uncle, right, you know what 0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:55.680 I'm saying. And I'm all this or three brothers. I've 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:57.320 been looking for big brothers my whole life, you know 0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.400 what I'm saying. And when I gain you know what 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:01.080 I mean, like like people who can who can give 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:05.320 me any type of mentorship or advice, and you know 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:06.760 it's the most incredible blessing. 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.240 So you know, you know, you know, you know, apologies man. 0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:11.840 And I think one of the eight things he just 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:14.560 he just wanted to make sure that he ain't speak 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:16.880 out of school with how intense all of the all 0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:18.279 of the comic book stuff can get. 0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:20.880 You know what I'm saying, We need you, right, I mean, 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:22.720 you know the way they're trying to erase our history 0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:25.560 out here. We need brothers like you that represent you know, 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:26.280 Black culture. 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:31.000 I need y'all rock I need y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all 0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:32.879 work ethic, in the in the in the relationship y'all 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:34.560 have and built up with the audiences. You know what 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:36.520 I'm saying, the trust, So I can tell him, Go 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.479 see Centers that's April eighteen. Go see the I Max 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:42.239 because that's how we shot it on film and big 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:50.320 giant Imax cameras and super wide uh ultra panevision seventy 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:53.239 millimeters for the first time, you know, and you're gonna see, 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.360 you know, see people are all shy and colors on 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:57.879 on the on the screen on the movie a roller 0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:01.400 culture ride, U probablys like a rock con shart, you 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:04.799 know what I'm saying. And because of the work that y'all. 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:06.520 Do you feel me, we able to, we able to 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:08.480 come and tell people about you know what we are 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:08.800 going on. 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:10.239 Man, we need each other, you feel me? 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:10.840 Absolutely? 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:12.400 Yeah, definitely go check it out. 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.840 April eighteenth, Sinners, ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Coopler, thank you 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:17.560 for joining us, and thank you all, bro and don't 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:18.919 be a stranger you in town, come. 0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:20.279 On up here, bet it up, all right, that's the 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:20.919 Breakfast Club. 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.880 Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning. The 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:24.800 Breakfast Club