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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Friday, December twelfth and

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Speaker 1: we are officially on verdict watch in the Brian Walsh trial.

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Speaker 1: We talked to you earlier about the defense it's closing argument.

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Speaker 1: We want to talk to you now about the prosecutions

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Speaker 1: closing argument. With that, Welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ. We talked so much robed about how Larry Tipton,

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Speaker 1: the defense lawyer, was very performative and some of his

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Speaker 1: antics and he made you sit up and watch. It

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Speaker 1: seemed like the prosecution was trying to pick up some

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Speaker 1: of those tricks to a certain degree.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we saw the lead prosecutor, the female prosecutor, be

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Speaker 2: more dramatic. She was not monotone, that's for sure. But unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: and I say unfortunately, because she went too far in

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Speaker 2: the other direction. She went from whispering at times to

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Speaker 2: feeling sarcastic in others to yelling and I'm not exaggerating

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Speaker 2: almost I jumped up and I said, why is she

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Speaker 2: yelling at the jury. So it was an attempt to

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Speaker 2: be more performative, to be more theatrical, which I think

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Speaker 2: was needed. She just it didn't feel like it's in

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Speaker 2: her wheelhouse.

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Speaker 1: It didn't feel natural, it didn't feel normal. It felt

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Speaker 1: like it really like she was feigning every emotion she

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Speaker 1: was trying to deliver. I don't know this woman. I

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Speaker 1: hate to be don't want to criticize the job they

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Speaker 1: have done, but we are sitting there as casual observers,

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Speaker 1: and this is how things are coming across to us. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she was more animated. Yes, it did seem intentional. It

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Speaker 1: seemed like almost on her page where she was reading something,

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Speaker 1: it was said in parentheses, yell this line, yeahs for

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Speaker 1: this line.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: I feel like she practiced this at home. And look,

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Speaker 2: you know what, it may not matter what she said

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Speaker 2: and how she said it might not matter as much

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Speaker 2: as what she said to the jury and what they're

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Speaker 2: going to believe in what they're not going to believe.

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Speaker 2: But it is interesting observing it how important it is,

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Speaker 2: or it seemed to us, how you say something, yes,

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Speaker 2: and when you say something and it matters. The information

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Speaker 2: is important, of course, actually it should be the only

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Speaker 2: thing that really matters. But we're all human beings and

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Speaker 2: how we receive it and how we see it delivered

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Speaker 2: to us absolutely impacts the weight we give the information.

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Speaker 3: We're receiving that is that.

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Speaker 1: Is the best way to put it, and the way

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Speaker 1: I'm receiving her message. It didn't. Again, we've been keeping

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Speaker 1: ourselves in that lane and being the jurors. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: she only went. She didn't go as long as Tipton,

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: No, only thirty four thirty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So now let's get into the meat and potatoes

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Speaker 1: of what she had to say and rope she started out,

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Speaker 1: and it We've been waiting to hear them say how

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Speaker 1: she met this violent end, and I thought maybe we

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Speaker 1: were getting close to that, but she wrapped up and

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Speaker 1: sent that jury into that jury room to deliberate, and

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Speaker 1: none of us still have any idea what their theory

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Speaker 1: is about how she died.

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Speaker 2: No her, they just stuck with the violent end and

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Speaker 2: common sense. Those were the two big themes that they

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Speaker 2: were pointing out, that yes, she was murdered, she met violence,

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Speaker 2: that Brian Walsh was cool and calculated, because she could

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Speaker 2: point to that in the surveillance video, and certainly she

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Speaker 2: kept bringing in some of.

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Speaker 3: His interrogation by police where he just.

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Speaker 2: Seems so casual and so cool and nonchalant.

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Speaker 3: So she was doing that. But again, there was no

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Speaker 3: and actually we were surprised.

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Speaker 2: She pointed out, Basically, we don't have the body, and

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Speaker 2: so we can't tell you how she died without an autopsy.

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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Speaker 1: I stopped. I don't know if I heard the next

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Speaker 1: two or three sentences because I was stuck on that sentence.

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Speaker 1: She said, the medical examiner, it's impossible for the medical

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Speaker 1: examiner to determine how she died.

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Speaker 3: Probably don't want to reiterate that to the jury.

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Speaker 1: Wait what yeah, hey, wait what you're telling me that

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Speaker 1: it's impossible. So you're telling me you don't know, right,

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Speaker 1: is how I took that line. Now, she tried to

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Speaker 1: land it by saying, the reason we don't know it's

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Speaker 1: That's what she was trying today.

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Speaker 2: I feel like though she could have taken it so

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Speaker 2: he strangled her, if he stabbed her with that knife,

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Speaker 2: if he you know, if he suffocated her with the pillow.

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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Speaker 2: But what we do know is he made damn sure

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Speaker 3: Was thinking in my mind.

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Speaker 2: Granted I don't know what she could have said that

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Speaker 2: that he did make sure that no one got their

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Speaker 2: hands on her body. He did make sure there was

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Speaker 2: no evidence left behind. That's because he murdered her.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the jurors aren't like us, right, we've been in television.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe we want that and they don't need it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's true, and you shouldn't need it. But this isn't us.

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Speaker 4: This is Every lawyer out there will tell you this

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Speaker 4: stuff matters. They will tell you how you deliver, who

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Speaker 4: the messenger is, they will tell you it all matters

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Speaker 4: and robes the closing. For me, I wrote it down.

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Speaker 4: You and I wrote the same thing down.

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Speaker 1: The themes common sense and context. She sent them in

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Speaker 1: there saying, use your common sense. She didn't send them

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Speaker 1: in necessarily. Look at this evidence, look at this, remember this.

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Speaker 1: Remember that she said common sense, common sense, common sense,

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Speaker 1: and kept relying on this idea that yes, this happened,

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Speaker 1: and this happened. Yeah, it doesn't prove anything, but you

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Speaker 1: have to remember context. Wink wink not. It was almost

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Speaker 1: like she was saying, come on, y'all y'all know this

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Speaker 1: dude killed his wife. That is how the entire closing

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Speaker 1: sounded to me. It was really a real big come on, y'all,

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Speaker 1: come on, come on, we know he did it.

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Speaker 2: I actually thought it was interesting because yes, that was

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Speaker 2: the gist of it, like that is a very good

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Speaker 2: way to sum it up. And I do think it

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Speaker 2: was the first time she even gave the jury. She

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Speaker 2: connected some dots that she did not connect while the

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Speaker 2: testimony was happening, which we were complaining about. But she

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Speaker 2: finally then in her closing arguments, pointed out that she

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Speaker 2: felt like Brian misplacing his phone was calculated and he

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Speaker 2: but she said that was all a ploy so that

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Speaker 2: been in contact with his wife for so long because

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Speaker 2: without his phone tracking him. So now she points that out.

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Speaker 2: Then she points out just even like he was putting

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Speaker 2: the fact that he.

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Speaker 1: Because that Frank, I don't understand, was convincing.

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Speaker 2: It was a happy, joyful occasion. So that is what

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Speaker 2: she claims. The prosecution claims Brian wanted to happen. They

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Speaker 2: also claimed these searches for the Porsche and the diamonds

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Speaker 2: and all of that was just all to throw Anna

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Speaker 2: off his tracks. That really he had also searched divorce,

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Speaker 2: best ways to divorce if you're a man, So he

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Speaker 2: was figuring out what his options were and at some point,

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Speaker 2: according to the prosecution, he landed on murder. He had

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Speaker 2: to kill her, and so all of this, they say,

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Speaker 2: was because he was angry about her missing Thanksgiving. They

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Speaker 2: claimed that he apps, well Thanksgiving, she was going to

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Speaker 2: her mother's at Serbia, but they claim he knew because

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Speaker 2: they shared the same bank account, that she actually went

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Speaker 1: She missed both of those.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she missed Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: And was the mom. She just said the mom was sick.

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Speaker 2: I believe she did ultimately go, but I actually cannot

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Speaker 2: tell you, babe.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I know that.

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Speaker 2: So they were claiming, hey, look, he knew about something

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Speaker 2: through Frankfurt. So come on, of course she he knew

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Speaker 1: So listen to what you just said. Of course, come on,

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Speaker 1: come on, that is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So she's connecting these dots and saying and all of

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Speaker 2: it is very plausible, and I would say likely even,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't prove it. They're actually just saying, of

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Speaker 2: course he knew, of course he he And so he

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Speaker 2: was angry since then, and then she misses Christmas, even

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Speaker 2: Christmas Day. Now he's livid. So now he's sitting there

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Speaker 2: New Year's Eve. And he's got a whole plan in place.

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Speaker 1: You know, I they laid out I think Rose forgive

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Speaker 1: me if I missed it during the testimony, but they

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Speaker 1: laid out this, this reasoning, this logic for why he

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Speaker 1: a little different from the other motive, meaning he had

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Speaker 1: no woman. They built a case for a motive that

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Speaker 3: Desperation, is what it sounded like.

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Speaker 2: Here's a man who's about to go to prison for

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Speaker 2: a year or two, whose children are now going to

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Speaker 2: full time into this town home who she bought from

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Speaker 2: her now boyfriend, And in his mind he could be thinking,

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Speaker 2: and the boyfriend's just going to move in, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to be replaced while I'm in prison, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to come back to no money and no family. That

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Speaker 2: is what they were suggesting at the end in closing.

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear necessarily that pieced together during this.

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Speaker 2: I did not hear that through the line at all

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Speaker 2: during And that was what we have been complaining about,

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Speaker 2: because when they had moments with witnesses where they could

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Speaker 2: have woven the story, and it did require the prosecutor

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Speaker 2: to provide the context to weave the story, to get

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Speaker 2: the witnesses to fill in the blanks for the story

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Speaker 2: they were creating. It's almost as if they came up

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Speaker 2: with that to wrap it all up. In addition to

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Speaker 2: he was jealous and he needed the money, but it

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Speaker 2: was more about desperation and no options. If he were

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Speaker 2: to divorce her, he would lose, and so he needed

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Speaker 2: to find a way when he came back from serving

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Speaker 2: his time where he would have all the money because

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Speaker 2: everything was in her name because of his financial issues

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Speaker 2: in his federal case against him, he put all of

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Speaker 2: their assets in her name. So now he's like, I

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Speaker 2: just screwed myself. But I don't feel like they did

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Speaker 2: that good of a job during the trial explaining that

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Speaker 2: through testimony.

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Speaker 1: Where did she nail it? I'm looking at some of

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Speaker 1: my notes here, Where did you you really think she

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Speaker 1: did make some good points that the jury may remember

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Speaker 1: when they go in there. I'm looking at my notes here,

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Speaker 1: and I don't she had this line. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: was that impactful. He cut up Anna's body and threw

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Speaker 1: her in the dumpster. Now, the way I just said it,

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Speaker 3: Do you know what's interesting?

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Speaker 2: She could have even played off of Larry Tipton, the

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Speaker 2: He right, he just gave you gold to work off

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Speaker 3: All all of those searches.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I just thought about that as you were

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're going to have to help me here, bab

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Speaker 1: you just made me remember it. She made a very

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Speaker 1: This was it, she said. If he's desperate and his

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Speaker 1: Thing but she made when she said that, I.

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Speaker 2: When she said that, I remember thinking, now you just

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Speaker 2: that's exactly that moment when you say, right, if I

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Speaker 2: You'd want to yes, And if I'm going to start

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Speaker 3: How can I help?

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Speaker 2: Is there any remedy for what does alcohol poisoning look like?

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Speaker 1: That was the one. I mean, let me give the

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Speaker 2: Stay here, Welcome back everyone, as we await the jury's

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Speaker 2: verdict in the Brian Walsh trial. The jury was handed

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Speaker 2: we just we were told, hey, he is being charged

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Speaker 2: with first degree murder premeditated murder, and he had already

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Speaker 2: already guilty on those and the only other charge that

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Speaker 2: they were considering or pursuing was that first degree murder charge. Well,

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Speaker 2: they decided to give the jury more than just two options,

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Speaker 2: not guilty or guilty as charged. So now they can

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Speaker 2: come back with a not guilty verdict. They can come

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Speaker 2: or the jury can come back with guilty of murder

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Speaker 2: in the second degree.

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Speaker 1: MM, which, Kay, I don't know. If you have it

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Speaker 3: I was just going to do that.

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Speaker 1: What was sentence that possibly carries and the distinction as well?

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Speaker 1: There are distinctions of course, Uh was stavery target of

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Speaker 1: one one I put? In Massachusetts yep, first and second

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Speaker 1: the premeditation wouldn't necessarily be there, so correct.

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Speaker 2: So in Massachusetts, second degree murder is an unlawful killing

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Speaker 2: cost various harm or extreme atrocity or cruelty, but without

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Speaker 2: the deliberate premeditation required for first degree murder. A sentence

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Speaker 3: Court sets the exact minimum.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that'd be a big difference to get second degree

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Speaker 1: They have options. Now, what do you think you want

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Speaker 2: I believe after everything I've seen and heard, I believe

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Speaker 2: the jury is going to come back with a second

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he absolutely caused her death. I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't think that the state proved premeditation.

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Speaker 1: There you go. So I have opinions, But as a juror,

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Speaker 1: So I, while I was talking to you earlier, if

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Speaker 1: But they gave them an option. They gave them. Anybody

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Speaker 1: to punish him, right, don't you feel that, like just

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Speaker 1: there's about him? No, you don't see anything about him

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Speaker 1: There's not just right, he's accused of something contructious. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they've given them an option now that.

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Speaker 2: They could say, okay, so what do you think the

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Speaker 1: Agree?

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Speaker 2: And you know what, that's a win for Brian Walsh

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Speaker 2: because they were not the prosecution was not willing to

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Speaker 2: other than obviously not guilty, would be the best case scenario.

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Speaker 2: But if he gets a second degree murder conviction, that's

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Speaker 1: And like we say, we only need one on that jury, right,

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Speaker 1: that could be one that's so overwhelmingly convinced that there

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Speaker 2: And what's so hard to know is how long you know, yes,

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Speaker 2: you just need one. So how long is it going

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Are they all on the same page now that they

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Speaker 3: He premeditated this, he did this? I want first degree?

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Speaker 2: Will that complicate the negotiations that go on in a

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Speaker 1: Know that if I'm voting, the thing that would shock

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Speaker 3: That would shock me.

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Speaker 2: So you think either second degree murder or not guilty,

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Speaker 1: Now that's the only one that would absolutely shock me.

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Speaker 2: I actually agree with you, babe. I would be shocked

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Speaker 2: if they get their first degree murder charge after everything

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, this has been fascinating, but as we sit here,

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Speaker 1: we are officially on verdict watch. I believe she's going

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Speaker 1: can you imagine going home and sitting on this over

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Speaker 1: the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Come back on Monday, and you know, we'll see how

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Speaker 2: quickly they can because they will have deliberated essentially for

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Speaker 2: at least three hours, three or four hours today, so

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Speaker 2: maybe they will have made some headway.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll have some questions.

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Speaker 2: On Monday, we can kind of get a sense of

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Speaker 2: where they are in their deliberation process, but we will

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Speaker 2: stay on top of it. Everyone, So thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening to us. We always appreciate that. I'm Amy Roboch

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Speaker 2: alongside TJ.

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Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon. The catch and Taken