1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to this Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio, 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: and welcome to the new time slot. The Carol Markowitz 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Show is moving to Wednesdays and Fridays, so you can 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: get my non political podcast this show, the Carol Marcowitz 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Show on Wednesday and Friday, and then normally the political 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: podcast I co host with Mary Katherine Ham every Tuesday 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: and Thursday. So really Monday is the only day you're 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: living without me, haha. So for the last few weeks 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: on this show, I've been talking theoretically about not losing 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: friends and family over politics, and now, of course the 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: election has happened and the reality of that friction is 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: here for a lot of people. There's so many posts 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: on x on Instagram elsewhere about cutting off your family 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: members if they voted for Trump, and yes, these posts 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: always do go in one direction. Never someone seems to 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: be cut off for voting for Harris. One of the 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: posts advised cutting off your family who voted for Trump, 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: and people responded things like they were no longer going 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: to see their kids or grandkids because of how they voted. 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: One that I highlighted on my ex feed was this 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: person saying we became a strange from our daughter. Eventually 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: we went no contact two years ago. It's heartbreaking, but 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: it had to be done. I missed my grandsons, and 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: I still love all three of them fiercely, but we 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: will not give hate a safe harbor here in our home. 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: Mean just bananas. They think they're not being hateful. It's 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: absolutely wild to me. And then there was one lady 28 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: who said that her family actually voted for Harris, but 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: she was dreading seeing just one uncle who went for Trump. 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: Over Thanksgiving. The original poster who had started this whole 31 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: thing and actually has since deleted his account, I think 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: because it got a lot of pushback, commented that she 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: shouldn't be attending any event with a Nazi. So even 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: one family member voting what you think is wrong means 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: you skip Thanksgiving? How is that sane? I've given advice 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: in previous episodes about either avoiding politics or having respectful conversations, 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: but it's most important to choose a path that leaves 38 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: you with a loving family at the end of the day. 39 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: I feel like I don't have that many people listening 40 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: who are the ones cutting off their family, So it's tough. 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: You have to overcome their anger and their hatred that 42 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: gets kind of supported by their political side online. It's 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: also important to step back and remember that the Internet 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: is not really real life, and the people sitting around 45 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: the table with you at Thanksgiving are We'll switch to 46 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: some other topics in the monologues of the next few episodes, 47 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: and I'd love your questions and comments at Carol Markowitz 48 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: Show at gmail dot com. But I had to say 49 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: it again, nothing matters more than your family. Coming up 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: next an interview with Kirsten Fleming join us after the break. 51 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: But first, last week, Americans voted in one of the 52 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: most consequential elections in our history. 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My guest today is 73 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 3: New York Post Features columnist Kirsten Fleming. 74 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: Hi, Kirsten, how are you? 75 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: Hi? 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 4: Carol? How's it going? 77 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 3: You know, the first time we met, I mispronounced your name, 78 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: and I live in fear of doing that for the 79 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: rest of my life. 80 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 4: Now, did you call me Kristen? 81 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: No? 82 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 3: No, no, come on, let's like get crazy. 83 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 2: I mean Kristen. 84 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: I called you Kirsten, which I thought was like, I 85 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: don't know, it's it seemed like that would be the 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: right way to go. 87 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 5: But no, that was a yeah, it's forgivable though as existent. 88 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I see where the eye is 89 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: it's just you know, yeah, I didn't know. So in 90 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: preparation for this, I was Kirsten. 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: Don't mess it up. 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: Even though we've known each other a long time now 93 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: and I know how to say your name absolutely still, 94 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: you know, first impressions and all of that. 95 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 4: Well, it did not scar me at all. 96 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 5: I didn't even remember this, So I guess you're bringing 97 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 5: up repressed trauma right now. 98 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 4: So exactly, I'm gonna I'm gonna. 99 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 5: Have a meltdown after we get off this, but I'll 100 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 5: hold it together for this. 101 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: I feel like you're so professional you're going to be 102 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: able to make it through this whole situation here. So 103 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: you've been at the post a while. 104 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: How many years now. 105 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 4: It's going to be twenty one years in January. I know, 106 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: it's crazy. 107 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: I know I've done everything here except clean toilets, which, 108 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 5: hey there's still time, there's still time. Exactly, it's only Wednesday, 109 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 5: so I don't rule anything out. But yeah, no, I've 110 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 5: held many positions here, so it's been it's been a 111 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 5: while's ride. 112 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: It's been great. 113 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: So now you're features columnist and you're you're right your 114 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: opinion now, and I love it. I mean, I'm all 115 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: about it. I think I'm your biggest fan, and I 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: don't like saying, so. 117 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: So what made the switch? 118 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 3: Because you were on the news side, but now you're 119 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: on opinion, and like, how does that feel? 120 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 4: It's it's definitely very different. 121 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 5: I mean I was doing features, so I had done 122 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 5: everything I'd worked, you know, done like features for you 123 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 5: know them for a fashion lifestyle world, I coom of news, 124 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 5: I'd worked in police headquarters, and I had I've done 125 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 5: a lot of features, like more like news features, really 126 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 5: good reads, really good deep dives into kind of off 127 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 5: this off the field sports culture. 128 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: When that crossed over. 129 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I really loved it, but I was getting 130 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 5: kind of stale and kind of bored, and our columnist left, 131 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 5: and so I had written an opinion piece here and there. 132 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 5: You know, I would raise my hand and I obviously 133 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 5: have a lot of opinions, but I never really thought 134 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 5: I wanted to do that. And a great editor here 135 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 5: who's always been a big supporter of mine, she kind 136 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 5: of threw my hat into the ring without telling me. 137 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 5: And yeah, no, I so they said you want to 138 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 5: try it, and yeah, of course, yeah, And I didn't 139 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 5: really even think about it. 140 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: I didn't have time to think about it. 141 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: But it is such a different, different presence now at 142 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 5: the paper. 143 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 4: You know, I don't I don't have to make as 144 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 4: many phone calls to you know, like I don't. It 145 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: is vinion writing. 146 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm obviously in opinion columnist. I love it. 147 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: I don't know how the news side does it. 148 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 4: I know, it's such a weird switch. 149 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 5: And then also, you know, you start to see kind 150 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 5: of people who you had very good relationships with and 151 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 5: would check in with you all the time, and you 152 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 5: kind of see that slide off a little bit because 153 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 5: maybe I don't know, maybe they're not you're not necessarily 154 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 5: in their ether anymore, or maybe you've offended them. 155 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. 156 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: No, I'm sure you didn't you who could you offend? 157 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: Come on, I mean, just very mild opinions. 158 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: So I just think there's not It's much harder to 159 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: pitch opinion columnists, and so you don't get as many pitches, 160 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: like a lot of the pitches I get. I'm like, oh, 161 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: that's for the news side. Let me just forward you 162 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: right over. Yeah, so you don't get that, which you 163 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: know is fine with me, but yeah, she probably just 164 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: don't they don't I say it this way, but they 165 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: probably just don't need you. 166 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: As much anymore. They don't need me as much anymore. 167 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 4: But I'm sure they're a little bit, you know. 168 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 5: But but it definitely has changed my role here, and 169 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 5: I think for the better. Though I have made other 170 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 5: amazing contacts. My feelings aren't hurt by the way. It's 171 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 5: just it's just you see, you know, I was always 172 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 5: kind of going to events and doing you know, different 173 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 5: things and going to games and but this, you know, 174 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 5: I still keep up, Like this morning, I went to 175 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 5: the Big East Media Day because I love college basketball, 176 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 5: and yeah, how can I still keep my foot in 177 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 5: the door in those places? 178 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 4: But because I still do write about sports and write 179 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 4: about that stuff. So but yeah, no, it's it. It's 180 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: a total it's a total vibe shift. You know. 181 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: I always saw you as like a sport it's you know, 182 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: like I thought you would be a sports writer. But 183 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: I think you're getting to do kind of best of 184 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: all worlds. Now, Yeah, am I just imagining it? 185 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 5: No? 186 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: You're not imagining it at all. No, it's great. I 187 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 4: I really do feel like I set the tone. I don't. 188 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 4: I have a lot of conversations with my editors. 189 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: You know. 190 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 5: Sometimes ideas are long simmering, sometimes they're immediate. Sometimes we 191 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 5: have discussions and I say I don't really care about that, 192 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 5: and I say, okay, move on, or you know, they'll 193 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 5: say we. 194 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 4: Don't care about that. So it's it's. 195 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 5: So it's still like a give and take in a 196 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 5: great relationship with your editors. But I don't I don't 197 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 5: find myself like you know, occasionally. 198 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 4: Used to have to do stories. You like, I don't 199 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: want to do this, you know, and I don't. You 200 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 4: don't have that, noah. 201 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 5: So there's a certain level of adjitda that's been removed 202 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 5: and replaced by other adjda. 203 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: But you know, I mean, it's but it's it's good. 204 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 4: It's good. I enjoy it. 205 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: You're also bad, right I am? Did I get that? 206 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 4: Okay? Yes? 207 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: Another another like, I hope I don't mix up. Where 208 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: she's from in. 209 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,239 Speaker 4: Spain, yes, proudly Basque. Yes absolutely. 210 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 5: My grandparents are were from a small town near Bilbao 211 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 5: called Mundhaka, and it's a small fishing village and it 212 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 5: is now like a world class surfing spot and I 213 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 5: love being back there and it's really special and I've 214 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 5: always grown up with that you're a. 215 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: Basque, you know you not many people are like this. 216 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 4: This is this is a special thing. 217 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 5: And I only speak I only have like a few 218 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 5: bass words. 219 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: I don't speak Basque, you know. When I'm there, it's 220 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: like good morning, goodbye, hi. 221 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 5: Thank you, like little bits and bobs. But it's it's 222 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 5: a it's a special culture, and I feel very lucky 223 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 5: that it's you know, I'm half half. 224 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: What what what's that? Can you tell us about the culture? 225 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: What like makes it special? So? 226 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 5: I mean it's it's kind of like this ethnic that 227 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 5: no one really understands where they came from, or that 228 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 5: they don't know. 229 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 4: The roots of the language. 230 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 5: The the cranial shape is different, like when they look 231 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 5: at the different yes, and there's the most what's the 232 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 5: universal blood type? 233 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 3: Am I getting canceled after this episode? 234 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 4: There there's like we're aliens. 235 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 5: There's like videos that that Basque people are aliens. There's 236 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 5: some sort of like critic Okay, I'm more being casual here, 237 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 5: I'm a lizard person. No, but it has so so 238 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 5: a lot of this stuff is like a great mystery. 239 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 5: Mark Kurlansky wrote a great book about the Basques, and 240 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 5: it's called the Basque history of the world, and it's 241 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 5: you know, they have their their own unique language. 242 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 4: There's Basque provinces. They they they always say they they're 243 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: like the oldest. 244 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 5: Remaining ethnic group in Europe, and they're in Spain and. 245 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: So southern France and northern Spain. 246 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 5: There's the Pocket and the Pyrenees, and they always say 247 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 5: they heckled Charlemagne out of the Pyrenees. And the language 248 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 5: is extremely tough. 249 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 4: I think the There was a really big. 250 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 5: Article in National Geographic on the Basques when I was 251 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 5: in high school, and the first line was I used 252 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 5: to think I was a linguist until I tried to 253 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 5: learn Basque. And so like, for example, the word for 254 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 5: thank you in Spanish is obviously gratias, and then in 255 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 5: Basquets est gasco, so it's not quite the same. Welcome 256 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 5: is agiatory like it. It sounds so bizarre and and 257 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 5: it's unique because in certain towns they spoke it more. 258 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 5: Franco completely suppressed it when he was in power that 259 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 5: you know, there was no Basque flags flying from what 260 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 5: I understand, and you know that you weren't really naming 261 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 5: your kids Basque names. And so now it's it has 262 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 5: a very vibrant resurgence. They teach it in schools. You know, 263 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 5: there's basque flags everywhere. Mostly people will speak it at 264 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 5: home a lot. It depends on the village, like if 265 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 5: you're from a the town's kind of it really does 266 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 5: vary on how much you speak. And you know, I 267 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 5: think my mom said that. My mom says like, oh, 268 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 5: I don't speak any at all, but then she kind 269 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 5: of always like whips out a lot more than she 270 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 5: says she has. But but yeah, and we just you know, 271 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 5: I have like a very strong tether to that area. 272 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 5: And my grandfather was born in eighteen ninety seven. So 273 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 5: here's like a crazy thing really quickly. My grandfather was 274 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 5: born in eighteen ninety seven. He was like fifteen years 275 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 5: older than my grandmother. He lived to be ninety three. 276 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 5: He lived in a fifth floor walk up up until 277 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 5: he in on the Lower East Side until he was 278 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 5: like ninety. I mean, like the kind of this like 279 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 5: incredibly very robust kind of guy. But his father was 280 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 5: like this eccentric fisherman. Hemingway was best friends with the 281 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 5: priest from our hometown. And so there's all these stories 282 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 5: that my great grandfather was the inspiration for the Old 283 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 5: Man to see again. It's yeah, there's I mean, who knows, 284 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 5: there's there's like some of my mom's cousins are like, eh, 285 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 5: not really, but then but there is a lot of 286 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 5: there's a lot of evidence that you know, could suggest that. 287 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 4: So interesting. So yeah, yeah wow, yeah. 288 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 3: Well, switching to the other location with really specific dialects 289 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: and funny language that I associate with you the Jersey Shore. Yeah, 290 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: I think of the Jersey Shore and I think of you, 291 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: what's your connection there? 292 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 5: And just a big old wido. I have tribal tattoos 293 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 5: that I'm covering up. Yeah, a fifth Pumper by birth. 294 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 4: No, so I was. Yeah, so I grew up at 295 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 4: the Jersey Shore. 296 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 5: And that show is hilarious because none of them are 297 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 5: really actually from the Jersey Shore. I think like two 298 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 5: of them are, and they're all interloper is what we 299 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 5: call Benny's That's like the main thing. 300 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: That people from the Jersey Shore want you to know 301 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: that nobody from the show The Jersey Shore is from 302 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: the Jersey Shore. 303 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 5: Only Sammy is actually from She's from Halt and then 304 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 5: Situation I think moved down in high school from Staten Islands. Yeah, 305 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 5: he's from an Alpin. So I went to high school there, 306 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 5: I believe. But yes, Snookie from Poughkeepsie, j. 307 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: Wow from Long Island, from the Bronx. I love it. 308 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: I remember all their names, and I know I don't. 309 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: That is space in your brain that maybe could be 310 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: used for other things. That's what I say about myself 311 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: when I remember information that I don't need. 312 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: You know, I know I'm a fond of useful syledge. 313 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 5: But I did do a lot of reporting when that 314 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 5: was huge because since I was the Jersey Shore correspondent. 315 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 4: You know, it was just kind of fun. It was fun. 316 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 5: They brought a wacky energy there. But yeah, no, that's 317 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 5: not really the Jersey Shore is every single like you know, 318 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 5: you've been there. 319 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 4: No Bullshit Cove, I mean like Cove, bullshit Cove. 320 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: That was Yeah, I'll just say that was an area 321 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: near where my friends had a Jersey shorehouse that had 322 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: all these Trump flags and they said, no more bullshit 323 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: you know Trump. It was twenty twenty at the time. Yeah, 324 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: so they called it No Bullshit Cove. 325 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was one of my favorite things. 326 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 5: I'd always been like, what are your dispatches from No 327 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 5: Bullshit Cove? 328 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 4: Because I never actually got to know boshit Cove. But 329 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: I enjoyed your dispatches. 330 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 5: But yeah, no, the Jersey Shore, I mean along the water, 331 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 5: it's it is. It's like three square every town is 332 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 5: like three square miles. And the personalities changed. 333 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: So you have the very Poshta. You have Seaside Heights, 334 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 4: which is now started to get a little bit more 335 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 4: cleaned up. 336 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 5: But you know, that was where they lived in the 337 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 5: boardwalk where in the wintertime you had heroin addicts in 338 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 5: the hotels and then in the summertime you had guidos 339 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 5: on the boardwalk. 340 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 4: You know. So Jim Tan laundry, Jim glt baby. 341 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 342 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 5: So yeah, no, And I went to high school right 343 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 5: across the bridge from Seaside Heights. 344 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: Ah okay, I didn't realize you went to high school there. 345 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I went to high school in Toms River. 346 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 5: I went to Montignor Donovan, which is now called Donovan Catholic, 347 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 5: And uh yeah, that's that's a Catholic school girl. And 348 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 5: so like we had a surf team. I was on 349 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 5: on the surf team, but they so it was you know, 350 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 5: it was a very like kind of shorty place. But 351 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 5: it's right across the Bridge from Seaside Heights because that's 352 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 5: a barrier Island. 353 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: More coming up with Kirsten Fleming in a moment. 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Were 378 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 5: you What were you like as a sixteen year old? 379 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: I was a club kid who were really long lashes 380 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 3: and big platform heels and wigs. 381 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 4: So I was. 382 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 2: Definitely very New Yorky. 383 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: Well were you like? 384 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 4: Okay? 385 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 5: I was very preppy, very athletic, and it was a 386 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 5: very very well adjusted kid. 387 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 4: I had tons of friends. That's awesome, very well adjusted, 388 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 4: a good student. 389 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 5: But I would say I think about this a lot 390 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 5: because I think I was very well adjusted. But I 391 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 5: wish I was a little bit more vulnerable and like 392 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 5: asked more questions and probed more, and kind of I 393 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 5: think I got along a lot, you know, instead of 394 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 5: maybe like getting along. 395 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 4: I wish I'd dove into certain things a little bit more. 396 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 5: And I think I wish I was more vulnerable and 397 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 5: admitted that I didn't know how to do something, and 398 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 5: I think it would have benefited me a lot more 399 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 5: to be a little bit more open to the things 400 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 5: I didn't necessarily know, and I think it would have 401 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 5: made me an even better student. 402 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 4: It would have. 403 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 5: I think it would have been better even to say, like, 404 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 5: because I always wanted to be a reporter, but I 405 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 5: never even I was a little like closed off in 406 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 5: that sense, like I didn't challenge myself because I was 407 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 5: so well adjusted. 408 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 4: I was the We always joked that I grew up 409 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 4: in a teen movie. I totally did. 410 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 5: I'm still best friends with everyone I went to like 411 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 5: kindergarten with. I mean, it's yeah, I'm surrounded by it's 412 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 5: the get along gang. So I think maybe have been 413 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 5: a little bit more vulnerable and pursued some interests that 414 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 5: were a little bit outside of the norm. 415 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: It's funny because I totally see you as somebody who 416 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 3: pursues interests outside of the norm. I think that you 417 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: follow your own beat, and I I like iver, you know, 418 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: since I early meeting you, I just think of you 419 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: as like really somebody who does her own thing and 420 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: doesn't follow the crowd. And I never know what you're 421 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 3: going to believe or say, and I don't think you're predictable, 422 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: so I don't rave about all my guests this way, 423 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: you can. 424 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 4: I know, I feel so honored. 425 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 5: I mean, this is like Avenue p Love, right, And 426 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 5: I mean I did, like I definitely did, and I was, 427 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 5: as I said, I kind of was this person that 428 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 5: I got along with everybody and I was on like 429 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 5: the academic challenge team and the quiz team, and then 430 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 5: my friends did that. So I did things that my 431 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 5: friends didn't do. But I wish, but that was still 432 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 5: in the in the realm of my school, Like I 433 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 5: wish I kind of broke out and took more chances. 434 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 5: Like my dad always used to say, why don't you 435 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 5: try out for that soccer team. They're better, You're better, 436 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 5: you can you know, And I would say, no, I 437 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 5: want to be with my friends. 438 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 4: Or I wish that I had said. 439 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 5: I wish I had said, uh, I want to learn 440 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 5: more about newspapers and maybe went to the Asbury Park 441 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 5: Press and said, can I do an internship here? And again, 442 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 5: it was the nineties, I don't think people were really 443 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 5: doing as much of that, and there wasn't the internet 444 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 5: to have more. 445 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 4: Help it along, yeah, help it along, but yeah, I 446 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 4: think I wish I'd just kind of was a bit. 447 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 5: More bolder and a little bit more vulnerable and a 448 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 5: little bit more open. I guess in that sense, I 449 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 5: think it would have benefited me a little bit more. 450 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: What do you worry about? 451 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 4: Do you know? I worry about a few things. 452 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 5: The fentanyl stuff is like, actually I know that that. 453 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 5: There's probably a wide breath of answers you get. I 454 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 5: don't know if you heard Theovonne with JD. Vance, you know, yeah, yeah, 455 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 5: there was a clip that was going around and he's like, man, 456 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 5: you can didn't even do coke anymore in America, and 457 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 5: you know, and Vance is dying laughing because it's Theovonne 458 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 5: and he's such a gem and his delivery is amazing. 459 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 4: But I do think about that. I have so many 460 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 4: children in my life, and I worry so much that 461 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 4: they just. 462 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: Can't even do coke anymore. 463 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 4: They can't do coke anymore. Like I think about this. 464 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 5: I go to family parties and I normally bring cocaine 465 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 5: for the kids, And like. 466 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 3: I shouldn't have made a joke. You know, you were 467 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: talking about a serious topic. It just a lot together, 468 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 3: and I feel like that I just let us write 469 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 3: into that. Okay, But seriously, pentle is obviously a really 470 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: serious topic, and. 471 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 5: I think that was sort of top of mind, and 472 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 5: I do worry about, you know, all these accidental deaths 473 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 5: from it. And then I think I just worry a 474 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 5: lot about polarization, and I think everybody burrowing into their 475 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 5: ideological holes. I don't know if he saw so the 476 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 5: whole Taylor Swift with Dave Portnoy note. 477 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 4: I don't know if he saw that she had written 478 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 4: him a note. 479 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I did see that. I mean, I'm up on 480 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: my Taylor Swift information. I left at the forten year 481 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: old girl. Also, you know, I got it all. But 482 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: also I like Dave port and a lot. 483 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 4: He's great. 484 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: I follow what he's up to. 485 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 4: But I love Dave. Yeah yeah, great, tell us a story. 486 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 4: So I mean, I love Dave. Great guy, you know, 487 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: unique guy. 488 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 5: But so the fact that he had the Taylor Swift. 489 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 5: So Taylor Swift wrote him a note, she invited into 490 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 5: her concert, and she had her brother deliver a handwritten note. 491 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 5: Her mother came gave him a giant hug, and New 492 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 5: York Magazine had a piece the day after and it said, 493 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 5: which Trump supporter is Taylor Swift gonna support next, And I. 494 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 4: Thought, and that thing is like, oh, how big of her? 495 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 4: How big of her? 496 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 5: She's she you know, the sarcastic thing, and I just 497 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 5: think you like Taylor Swift man, right, It's like not enough. 498 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: She endorsed Kamala Harris. It's like she's not on the fence. 499 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 3: She's like, I endorsed you, I, you know, say bad 500 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 3: things about Donald Trump. 501 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: She got Donald Trump to sweet. 502 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: I hate Taylor Swift. I know she's doing it, but 503 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 3: that's never enough. Never enough. 504 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 2: You have to cut off everybody who disagrees with you. 505 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: You have to have large problems with people who you 506 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: know support you in every other way. And I've talked 507 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 3: about I actually think the Dave port Andy Taylor Swift 508 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 3: thing is so awesome because here are he's obsessed with her. 509 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: He thinks she's like the greatest thing ever. He defends 510 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: her to the death. And when he heard that she's 511 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 3: voting for Kamala Harris, he said, well, I'm voting. 512 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: For the other guy who cares. 513 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what you're supposed to do, That's how 514 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 3: it's supposed to go. And yet they can never make 515 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: that happen. 516 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 5: I know, And it's such a deeply embedded feeling in 517 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 5: our culture now. 518 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 4: I mean I lost. 519 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 5: Friends in twenty sixteen, even though I didn't even vote 520 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 5: for Trump. 521 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 4: I just was not it doesn't. 522 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 3: Matter, you're not You're not anti enough. 523 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 5: I wasn't part of the resistance, you know, I didn't 524 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 5: serve in the resistance army. 525 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 4: So I was urge in the cultural evolution. But I 526 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 4: mean that just makes me sad. 527 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 5: How boring is your life if you're only in bird 528 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 5: in your echo chamber. So I worry about that. I worry, like, 529 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 5: what happens after this election? How do we come back together? 530 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: Do we? 531 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 4: Not? 532 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: Do we? 533 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 4: You know? 534 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 5: I mean I know you talk about You've talked about 535 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 5: national divorces a lot. 536 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 4: I don't believe in it. 537 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: No, I don't either. 538 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I just think that it's illogical and could 539 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: never work. 540 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: Like let's say, let's say we. 541 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 3: Do all self sort and the conservatives moved to the 542 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: red states and the liberals moved to the Blue states. 543 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: Even putting aside that there's moderates and people whatever, and. 544 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: People who change their minds. 545 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 3: I mean, yes, there are so many liberals who are 546 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: now voting for Trump and there's conservatives who are voting 547 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 3: for Harris, and this happens all the time. So what 548 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: do you do just like move every four years. Also 549 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 3: the fact that obviously you have children, and where do 550 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: those children have to then self sort into other states? 551 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: It's it's not reasonable. And yeah, so I look, I 552 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 3: love the self selection that has happened in the last 553 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 3: five years in this country. 554 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: And I've say I'm part of. 555 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: That where a lot of people felt like they couldn't 556 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: be in these blue states anymore and they moved to 557 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 3: red states which better represent their politics. And obviously that 558 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 3: has been amazing for me and I talk about that 559 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 3: all the time. Yeah, the idea of a national divorce 560 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 3: where you literally have not have to do that, but 561 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: that's that's part of the process. It just it makes 562 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: no sense. 563 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 5: It makes no sense, and it makes absolutely no sense 564 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 5: for any like sort of growth. 565 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 4: How do how do we get back to culture? I mean, I. 566 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 5: Just I just think it's such a cynical idea that like, oh, 567 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 5: you don't align with me on every. 568 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: Single because you might self sort. 569 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 5: And then you find that you inherently disagree with something 570 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 5: that's not political. 571 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick break and be right 572 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. We have to get 573 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: to a point where liberals are saying to New York Magazine, 574 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 3: this is not appropriate content, you know, And I think 575 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: I haven't seen it, but I'm sure Taylor Swift fans 576 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: are pushing back on it because they don't you know, 577 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 3: they don't take criticism of the taste. 578 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 4: Very very well. 579 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 3: I mean Dave Portnoy right at the top of that list, 580 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 3: by the way. But we need the left, the more 581 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: reasonable left, and to push back on their left flank 582 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 3: and say no more of this, and they haven't been 583 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 3: brave enough to do that yet, so I don't know 584 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: that they will. Yeah, but it's kind of what would 585 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: help this problem along. 586 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: There was a story actually in New York Magazine. 587 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: Kids of liberals are much more rigid and who they 588 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 3: become friends with much much less. 589 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: Likely to go to the home of someone who disagrees 590 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: with them. 591 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 3: I mean, all the things that you don't want for 592 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: your kids, and yet they're not stopping it because their 593 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 3: culture says that you have to you have to align 594 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: or be left out, be forced out. So it's not 595 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 3: healthy for the country. But it's really not healthy for them. 596 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 5: Well, also they're in that whole idea, is the pervasive 597 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 5: feeling that you're so evil? Yeah, because so it's not 598 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 5: just like we disagree, it's like you are the devil incarnate, 599 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 5: that's it. Yeah, and so and that's what I think 600 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 5: is so dangerous too. And I'm not saying that there's 601 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 5: not some of that on the right, because there's a 602 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 5: lot of chooches on the right to who like, you know, 603 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 5: think that you know, it's their whole identity and the 604 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 5: you know, libtards and all that stuff. And yeah, you know, 605 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 5: we can joke around about it, but there are some 606 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 5: there is an element of that. But again, we don't 607 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 5: have all this institutional capture. 608 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: So this is also not the you could never come 609 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: like you are shunned, you know, as Telsea Gabbard or 610 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: Robert F. 611 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: Kennedy. 612 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: It's not like you don't align with us on everything, 613 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: therefore you're out. 614 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: In fact, it's very like, come on in. It's fun. 615 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 3: Yes, you know, and I don't know that that necessarily happens. 616 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 3: I mean, look, they have Dick Cheney, you know, campaigning 617 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: for Kamala Harris. But you know, but still they do 618 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: get obviously John Stewart came out against that. 619 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: So it's it's not like it's let's just get along. 620 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: It's there's still some dividing lines. 621 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. 622 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 5: I just I hope it we're able to kind of 623 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 5: pull ourselves out of it. But I don't know. 624 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I worry, you know, not the world's most optimistic person. No, well, 625 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: I have loved this conversation. You are awesome and I 626 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: think everyone should read. You leave us here with your 627 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve 628 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 3: their lives. 629 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 4: Get friends who make fun of you. 630 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: I love it. 631 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, you need thick skin, you need it humbles you. 632 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 4: What is life without like? 633 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 5: Roasting is my love language, and I think it is 634 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 5: so good for personal development and for intimacy like to 635 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 5: it really fosters I think intimacy with your friends and 636 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 5: you know, they really have to know you to roast you. 637 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 5: So I think that to me has always been my 638 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 5: lifelong prescription. I've just always been around people who just 639 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 5: rip me to shreds and I rip them to shreds, 640 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 5: and it's a wonderful exercise. 641 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, if the first 642 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 4: one's there to give me a hug or ask me 643 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 4: how I'm doing. So yeah, I love it. 644 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: And you know, this is the season where we're not 645 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: even going to talk about the Giants or the Cowboys. 646 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: We're going to just leave this here and hope. 647 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 4: Is there anything to talk about. 648 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, neither one of us can make fun here. 649 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: I know we have to just kind of yep, go 650 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: our separate. 651 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 4: Ways, so there's no spike in the ball here. We're 652 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 4: both right and walking away. 653 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 5: I go. 654 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: She is Kirsten Fleming. Check her out the New York Post. 655 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: She is their futures columnist and she is fantastic. 656 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 4: Thanks so much, curious, Thank you, Carol. This is awesome, 657 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 4: so appreciate it. 658 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marco 659 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: would show subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.