1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and open to stuff 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: I never told your prediction of by Heart Radio. 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: And we are back with another Monday Mini that I'm doing, 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: And go ahead and put some content warning on this one. 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: We are talking about sexual assault and abuse and drunkenness essentially. 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: I think because we're talking about reality shows, we're coming 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: back into one of those, Samantha said on TikTok corners, Uh, 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: because I want to talk about it. There's several things 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: because like I'm gonna give you a quick update on 10 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: some of those TikTok corners, things that I've seen and 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: I want everybody's opinion before we jump into the reality show. 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: One one is the uh the woman race car driver 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: Amber Land, which recently, if you because I think this 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: is like the feminist TikTok that I'm on, because I 15 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: would don't watch any racing. That's not a thing I do. 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: But one thing that I've seen recently is an where 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: they are riding together on a track and it's one 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: of those like where their tail to tales to begin 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: off with, and a dude decides to run into her 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: lift up the tail of the car, which causes her 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: to veer right, hit another car and does a pylon 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 2: and ruins the race for people. The dude gets out, 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: gets angry, starts banging on the car and flipping her 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: off as if it's her fault and as in fact 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: in the comments, people are like some men are like, yep, 26 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: see she ruins everything, and everybody's like, how did she 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: ruin anything? She didn't do anything. He did this and 28 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: he got pissed off because it dubbed everybody else. And 29 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: apparently the two people, two other drivers involved have been 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: like coming after her for being a woman in the 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: in the racing industry. That's one thing I've seen, and 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: then the back and forth. But the other thing that 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: I've been seeing recently is this reality show that has 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: happened recently in this episode of uh below Deck down Under. 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: So it's especially the show below Deck but with Australians, 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: Okay or or in Australia. I guess I wouldn't know. Yes, 37 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: I think it's because like the majority of them have 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: Australian accents, it seems. And the incident specifically, I think 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: a lot of people probably know about it, you don't know. 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: Essentially was that the crew had gone off off the boat, 41 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: to have a night out. A few of them who 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: got really drunk, well all of them were drinking, but 43 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: a few of them got really drunk. 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: Came home. 45 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: One specific girl was like, I'm so done. She was 46 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: passing out. She ended up in the back with the 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: dude and he was like touching on her, trying to 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: talk to her. She's like, I just want to go 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: to bed. She want to go to bed. And another 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: one of the girls, so I think this was Margo, 51 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: was the girl who was super drunk, saying I just 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: want to go to sleep, but I just want to go 53 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: to sleep. And the dude was named Luke, who was 54 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: just like touching on her a little too much. And 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: everybody's like, hey, just remind her she's really drunk. She 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: just wants to go to bed. Y'all hearing her, y'all 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: hearing her type of conversation. And then you go back. 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: They get back on the boat, they're in the jacuzzi. 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: She's like, I'm gonna go to bed. I'm going to bed, 60 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, you know, I'll come with you. 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: She's like, no, I'm going to bed. So everybody's watching. 62 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: There is another woman and I think she's maybe the 63 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: head of the staff. Her name is Asha, and she's 64 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: like watching and she's like, hey, what's going on? You 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: know what, I'll put her to bed because she's seeing 66 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: something's happening. So she gets her together, puts her into bed, 67 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: walks away to go do something, and she's like, are 68 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: you okay? You know, take trying to take care of 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: like she's the mother of the boat essentially. The next 70 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: thing we see is dude coming out only in underwear 71 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: but soaking wet. Some of the conversations saying that he 72 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: was naked. I don't know. He goes into bed, gets 73 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: in the bed with her, and she is done, like 74 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: she is not conscious at that point. Like you see 75 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: the you know they have the cameras in the in 76 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: the rooms. You see him trying to get her to 77 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: wake up, and then he kind of like gets on 78 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: top of her and like he tries to shut the 79 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: door and then tries to get on top of her. 80 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: And producers actually are calling up to the crew to 81 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: be like no, no, no, stop this, stop this, go 82 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: get him off, go get him off. So they go 83 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: and grab him, get him off, like you can't be 84 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: in here, man, you can't be in hum man. Get 85 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: get out, Get out. Asha comes back in Phil, Here's something, 86 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: here's the commotion. She's like, what's what's happening? Because she 87 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: went to grab something and comes back and like goes 88 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: and like covers her, protects the girl, protects Margo. And 89 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: the next morning she wakes up and goes to the 90 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: captain and explains everything that just happened. At that point 91 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 2: in time. Luke, the one who did this, is woken 92 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: up and told to get off the boat. Immediately as 93 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: they're talking and having a conversation, the captain fires him 94 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: and says, we do not allow any of this and 95 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: other incidents happen. Now. The reason I'm talking about it 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: is because the crew and the production staff has been 97 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 2: praised a lot for intervening. The lot of the lines 98 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: are saying, oh, they broke the fourth wall, which is, 99 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: you know, a cardinal sin essentially in reality TV, to 100 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: protect this girl. Think you think you? Thank you. Finally 101 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: they did something. A lot of people like, that's the 102 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: minimal amount, but glad they finally did it. And then 103 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: they were praising the captain because he did. I will 104 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: say when he was talking to Asha, who Asha? Asha's 105 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: that girl? I don't want I don't watch reality show. 106 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: I have no idea. This is only coming up on TikTok, 107 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: so I have no idea who these people are. But 108 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: her intervention making sure that Margot was safe and then 109 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: coming to tell the captain immediately, as well as the 110 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: fact that Asha she was hurt and like triggered because 111 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 2: she had been assaulted and she talks about it. So 112 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: the captain's response is are you okay? 113 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 3: Is she okay? 114 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: Like everybody's like, finally, that's that's the response that should 115 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: be happening, not like what happened, We'll give me detail, 116 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: will tell me instead of saying okay, no, this is 117 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: this is done and immediately went into action. So like 118 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: all these people are being praised for the situation. So 119 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: my thought was, like, this is bare minimum. If you 120 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: are if there are witnesses who are making money of 121 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: these people, specifically the production stuff and the and like 122 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: the filming crew, why are we talking about this as 123 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: if it's a new thing, because we know situations like 124 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: this has risen many times in the history of reality TV, 125 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: which one of the conversations one of the articles I 126 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: was reading, because you know, there's there's been so many 127 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: complaints when it comes to reality TV and the manipulations 128 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: that happen as in fact, the Bachelorette was accused of 129 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: sexual assault and sexual harassment from the company and they 130 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 2: had to go through that. Survivor allowed for a dude 131 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: who was very sexual assaulting people to stay on the 132 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: island because it made for entertainment. I think Big Brother 133 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: had a couple of incidents like that, so many things 134 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: that I'm like, I guess I don't watch enough reality 135 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: shows when it comes to like I watched The Real World, 136 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: and if you hit somebody, you're immediately taken off. I 137 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: know that, And that was the second Real World. Like 138 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: arguing wasn't in a big deal, but everything else, But like, 139 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: is that not a common practice? And why? 140 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean. 141 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: It's scary that you could have footage of something from 142 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: like a professional crew for a professional something that will 143 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: air that. 144 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: We didn't be enough to get this guy arrested. 145 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: That wouldn't be enough that they're like, oh, you know what, 146 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: this is entertainment value or whatever. 147 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: Let's keep rolling. 148 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: And that maybe it's great culture to such it's permeated 149 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: so much that this is more like an entertainment thing 150 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: and not something that could be. 151 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: Used as everything this case agets this. 152 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: Guy, right, So yeah, they kept recording everything. So the 153 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: next day the response was this, they had the meeting, 154 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 2: They're gonna fire Luke. They come back Margo. I think 155 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: it was before the meeting, but Margo didn't know what happened. 156 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: And Asha explained what happened the night before, and Margo's like, like, 157 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: you could tell she was so mortified and so shooken 158 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: up and traumatized by this incident, and she's crying and 159 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: she's trying to figure everything out. She calls her mom 160 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: and her sister and she's crying, and she goes behind 161 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: the closed door and they record it and they play it, 162 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 2: and I'm like, are you kid? Are you? Are you 163 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: kidding me? Like I feel like that takes away from 164 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: any of the good that the crew did with that, 165 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: Like I don't know, maybe she gave them permission to 166 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: play it. I have a hard time believing that you 167 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: want people to see this, but hey, who knows. Maybe 168 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: she's stronger than stronger than me when it comes to like, 169 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: I don't want the public to see my trauma. But 170 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: thinks like that, especially when it's based on reality TV 171 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: and we already know the connotations to that, but like 172 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: they play it and she's calling, she's crying and talking 173 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: about the fact that she you know, she feels so 174 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: stupid and she feels so dumb. Why did she get 175 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: so drunk? I shouldn't have done that, Like blaming herself 176 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 2: a lot. Kudos to the mom and the sister who 177 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: were like, nope, you're okay. Kudos to Asia and the 178 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: other friend who was like, women should be allowed to 179 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: be drunk. That's not the problem, Like that her going 180 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: all in like again, I don't know who Asha is, 181 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: but she's that girl. Like I'm like, all right, all right, 182 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: this part I love this, thank you, because another part 183 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: of that scene is another girl named Laura, who is 184 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 2: the stereotype you would have thought that the villains that 185 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: are created that are so over the top. You're like, no, no, 186 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: that's not for real, is it. In which her response 187 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: to this was feeling sorry for Luke, and she said 188 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 2: that repeatedly. She's like, I just want to say, by Luke, 189 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: I feel so sorry for him. And then when she 190 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: was talking to the victim, Margo, she was like, well, Margo, 191 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: you know, he should have come to me. I would 192 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: have let him come to me. I wish it was 193 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: me saying that to the victim, as well as saying, well, 194 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: you never really said no to him. Y'all were flirting 195 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: all night. So I just feel bad for Luke that 196 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: she kept insinuating that, which everybody was like, what the 197 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: as well as the fact that she was harassing another person, 198 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: a dude named Adam, the entire time, trying to get 199 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 2: on top of him and had to be taken out 200 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: of his room as well because she was not taking 201 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: no for an answer and had to be removed by 202 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: the staff told her to leave because she wouldn't listen. 203 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: It didn't get as intense as the Margot situation, like 204 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: she didn't get naked and all that, but but it 205 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: was still like very very uncomfortable and traumatizing, and she 206 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: got fired the following day, thank goodness, but partially because 207 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: of the way she was harassing Margo at which she denied, 208 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: as well as what she was doing to Adam, so 209 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: she got dismissed as well. So it was interesting that 210 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: it was back back the incidents were and neither one 211 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: of the perpetrators see anything wrong, as in fact, Luke 212 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: got onto social media saying I'm going to do me. 213 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: I didn't do anything wrong all of these things, even 214 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: though on the show he was like, I'm really disappointed myself. 215 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, and he could have just been sorry 216 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: that he got caught. I mean that's most of the time, right, so, 217 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: but there were so many things like what at what 218 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: point do these shows not realize how really damaging this is, 219 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: because like Margo was shook up the entire time. I 220 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: don't know outside of what they showed, I don't know 221 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: what all they offered, because again I'm getting like three 222 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: and it clips off of TikTok, But I will give 223 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: it to the crew of them. I don't know if 224 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: they are faking, but none of them, outside of Laura, 225 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: they all are really really supportive. At one point when 226 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: Laura was like, I'm so sad for Luke. I miss Luke. 227 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: I feel so bad for Luke, and one of the 228 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: dudes was like, well, what that doesn't well, we need 229 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: to take care of Margot right now as a crew, 230 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: we need to make sure she's okay. I was like, oh, 231 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: look at look at this good, Like maybe maybe people 232 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: are learning better responses instead of like what were you 233 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: doing while were you drunk, we shouldn't have done this, 234 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: and these are these things which are some of the 235 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: more typical responses that we do hear. So it is 236 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: really good to see and that the women supporting women 237 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: outside of Laura was beautiful. The captain doing something as 238 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: he did, like he without question, like without like I 239 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: need to go look at the evidence, I need to 240 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: go talk to other people. He didn't do that. He 241 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: just like, I believe you. Let's move on. So I 242 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: will say I get that, but this like this level 243 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 2: of reality show of like he's getting they're getting these 244 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: flowers for he's just human decency to prevent something that 245 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: was set up by a show. Like one of the 246 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: comments in these articles literally said, uh from that show 247 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: specifically is that the cast often are told when they 248 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: go to go out on outings they do have to 249 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: drink essentially, and they're like, but I just want can 250 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: we not just stay? Like this is my hell because 251 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: I'd be like, can I not just stay home on 252 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: our day off? And they're like, no, you have to 253 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: go out. So and I'm sure like the contracts when 254 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: it comes to reality shows, I don't know anything about it. 255 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 2: You talked about being on one, but to this level, 256 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, and I wonder, like, what is happening 257 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: that this is still okay? And why is this formula 258 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: the way that they have set up to set up 259 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: for this Because I don't hold the well, I dude 260 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: the perpetrator. I do hold the perpetrators responsible, but just 261 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: as responsible are those who try to dictate this to happen. 262 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that one thing people don't know 263 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: about reality TV show is that a lot of it 264 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: is people who want to be actors or people who 265 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: want maybe not reality TV show. But one of the 266 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: things that I don't watch reality TV shows. I don't 267 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: blame anyone that does. This is not like, oh so 268 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: much better than I don't care about that. But one 269 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,479 Speaker 1: of the reasons I don't watch it is because the 270 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that scares me most about humanity 271 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: is the links people will go for fame. And I 272 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: don't think I'm not saying everybody on a reality show 273 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: is doing that, but I'm some of them are. And 274 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: when you're thinking about like upping the drama, how do 275 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: you keep upping that drama? Then I can imagine a 276 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: thoughts in these perpetrators' heads, was this. 277 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: Is gonna up the drama. 278 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: Like I'm making a lot of attention from this, and 279 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: the staff thinks that too. Like you said, I've seen 280 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: and heard about some contracts that require a certain amount 281 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: of drinking what you're wearing, which is also something that 282 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: comes up a lot right in these blaming victim blaming conversations, right, 283 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: But also like pretty much there's a threat hanging over you. 284 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: If you're not exciting enough, you're gonna kick out. So 285 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: it is a toxic like when you think about it, 286 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: like a workplace environment of I have to do these things, 287 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: it might put me in a bad situation. They're gonna 288 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: be filming it, everyone's gonna know about it. But that's 289 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: also kind of what reality TV show is. Yeah, And 290 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: so I feel like there would be this in your head, 291 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: this worry about well I can't I can't complain, or 292 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: I can't do this right, or else I'll get kicked off. 293 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: But also just it always I always feel strange about 294 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: things like The Bachelor, where they're like they go and 295 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: have sex. 296 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: And it's just. 297 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: It just feels bizarre to me that we're putting people 298 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: in this situation and consent is already messy enough and 299 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, what is this then? 300 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: Right? Like being drinking, Like there's so many things, like 301 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: because I was interested in the below deck down under stuff, 302 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: I've been getting more reality show stuff, so I've gotten, 303 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: uh love Island, which I didn't know is a think. 304 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: I thought this was a joke and and the level 305 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: of that, that's the purpose. They literally name like casso 306 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: mora amore caso more so you'll hook up with new people, 307 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: Like why would you why would you put yourself through that? 308 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: Like trying like I don't know, they bring couples together 309 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: onto the island and then try to separate them to 310 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 2: find new matches. I don't know, like quite don't know this, 311 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: Someone tell me because but the episode was like literally 312 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 2: someone had sex with someone while the other their partner 313 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: was waiting for them and together roum or something. I 314 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: was like, Also, they are not private, they are not 315 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: like other they are not When they get caught, it 316 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: feels they seem surprised and I don't get that. 317 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: Well, like I told you in my you know, I 318 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: like that you dropped that. I've been in reality show. 319 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: The jelly show I was in was in restaurant impossible 320 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: because I wanted a free meals. 321 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: Everybody thought that you were also on Love Island. 322 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: Because that's kicked that long ago. 323 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: Uh No, it was really funny and really embarrassing because 324 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: I clearly didn't know how that show worked. So I 325 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: was just like, oh, it's good, and he was like, 326 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: it's it, and then he yelled at me at one point. 327 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: I guess it's the thing people like. 328 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: But I was just like, whatever, man, he yelled at you, 329 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: he yelled at me, because well, that what the point 330 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make is. I didn't realize so many 331 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: people there were actors at this time. 332 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: I was on it. 333 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: I was literally just trying to get a female. But 334 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: he found a cockroach in the ice machine, I guess, 335 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: so he came out and was like holding it up. 336 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: He was like, this is in your water and I 337 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: was drinking the water. 338 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: Like ooh, and he's like you are still drinking. 339 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: And I was like, I thought it was a flavor. Note. 340 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know, and I didn't realize we were at 341 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: the before and not the after, so I was supposed 342 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: to complain about the food, but I was like, yeah, whatever. 343 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: It's free foot the good food. 344 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: No, but that's kind of my point is when you 345 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: know the game of it, when you know, like the 346 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: drama of it, what they want, you'll play that up. 347 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: So I bet plenty of people do you realize they 348 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: might get. 349 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: And just play it into it? So I wonder if 350 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: that's faked, you know. And on top of that, because 351 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the social media again, my feet 352 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 2: is specific to my my interests, and I have more 353 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: of like, oh, this is good, this is amazing. These 354 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: are the things. So I haven't seen because I'm sure 355 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 2: there's enough trolls out there that talked about how she 356 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 2: was drunk again and she was laying on him, So 357 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: why didn't Why did all these all these conversations that 358 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: happen again having the attitude kind of like Laura because 359 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: he was a good look obviously, anybody on reality TV 360 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 2: like these are gonna be good looking, and like Laura 361 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 2: being like I would let him in my bed, I 362 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: wish it was me like having bad conversation as well. 363 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: And I know we had gotten a listener request about 364 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: women of color, and. 365 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: We got a listener request with a recommendation of who 366 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: we should bring on to talk about it, which I 367 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: would much prefer rather than I was. 368 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: Talking yes, but like like women of color being really 369 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 2: harassed on there, and again Love Island is kind of like, 370 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 2: especially the US one, I could see that level of 371 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: abuse that happens and the way they portray the women 372 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: and shows like that. But I definitely read an article 373 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: and I think our listener referenced this at one point 374 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one how women do get so much 375 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: trolling online and that the research shows that it is 376 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: women of color who are the ones that are the 377 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: biggest targets. As in fact, this report is from The 378 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 2: Guardian and it's titled women on reality TV shows get 379 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 2: far more abuse online than men, and it was a 380 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: specific study. It says that it has become an unfortunate 381 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: pattern that with the advent of new reality seasons or 382 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: show seasons, that inevitably follows an onslaught of harassment and 383 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: abuse leveled against those on the show, from contestants to 384 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 2: presenters to bystanders. This is not just online discussion getting heated. 385 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 2: This abuse has escalated to participants in these shows disproportionately women, 386 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: especially women of color. And it goes on to say 387 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: the researchers know a particular recurrence of gender tropes in 388 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: the social media posts, including those which characterized women as devious, 389 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: mentally unstable, emotionally volatile, evil, annoying, or attention seeking. Women 390 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: were also much more likely to be quote the subject 391 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: of extreme misogynistic sexualization and objectrification than men on all 392 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: of that. And yeah, that's kind of that level of 393 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: what is expected, and so what is allowed in these 394 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 2: levels and who's portrayed to be whom and how they're portrayed. 395 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 2: I can't. I am so confused by the standards that 396 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: seem to not exist. And I know a lot of 397 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: these articles that I've been reading talk about the way 398 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: the contracts are written, yep, that the participants cannot pursue 399 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 2: charges or sue companies. And I know there's a few 400 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 2: that again Bachelorette had with season where they were sued. 401 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: It looked like I didn't realize the real world had 402 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: actually been sued as well, because there's an allegation of 403 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: being drugged by a cast a fellow cast member and 404 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: possibly raped as well as like the Road Road Rules, 405 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: which I really used to like that show because they 406 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: were competitive and it was silly. Then it got real, 407 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 2: like it went from like competitive to like to what 408 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: we know today like it would. It was, Oh well, damn, 409 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: y know, I really hate each other, Okay, I thought 410 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: this was a game whatever, and they and then they 411 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: had the allegations of like pretty vile allegations of what 412 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: happened on set. But because of the way the contracts written, uh, 413 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: the production studios were not necessarily held liable in any 414 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: of these Now different stats show that it has changed, uh, 415 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: Like the safety has kind of gotten better again, like 416 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: with the fact that the production crew was able to 417 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: step in or actually did step in, was surprising to many, 418 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: which again is so disappointing to me. But the fact 419 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: that it has gotten more and more strict. They have 420 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: started to downplay the alcohol, it seems in some of 421 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: the shows. But like I know Real Housewives, at one 422 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: point several women would be cut because they were not 423 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: interesting enough quote unquote, meaning they just skipped to their 424 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: side and just drank wine and smiled, and so they 425 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 2: were cut and replaced by someone else who could have 426 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 2: more drama or at least they knew that they would 427 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: hate each other. It's purposely just to do it. And 428 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 2: I know Bethany, who I don't love from the Real 429 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: Housewives of New York she is suing currently, so that 430 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: she's suing a Bravo for something about abusing and manipulating 431 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: its cast members. Again, which the manipulation part it's not 432 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: acceptable obviously, but that this is kind of that whole 433 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: key point of what reality TV has become. Yeah, or 434 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 2: maybe has always been, let's be honest, Yeah. 435 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's like I said, it's a the environments. Essentially, 436 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: what you want to get out of a reality TV 437 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: show is people being like messy and angry and dramatic, 438 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: and that allows for a lot of bad bees. Youre right, 439 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: and sort of this idea like that's what you're trying 440 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: to film, So when do you step in? Which is yeah, 441 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: it's one of the things that frightens me the most 442 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: about the human psyche is the whole thing. 443 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 2: Right again, so as these things turn, I mean, I 444 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: haven't paid attention to the Bethany Frankel suit. I just 445 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: saw it coming out around the same time that all 446 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: the big hubbub was about blow Deck and the Praises. 447 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's that conversation was like, I 448 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: don't pay attention necessarily because all I do is watch 449 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: k dramas now or stick with my Supernatural reruns and 450 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: New Girl reruns. So I'm sad, but it seems like whore, 451 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: especially with the strike happening. What are we watching, what 452 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: are we condoning, and what are we allowing just for 453 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: entertainment's sake? 454 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean that that's one of the interesting 455 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: things about the strike, and in this case with sag Is, 456 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: as we said in that strike episode, is right after 457 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: the strike happens, that's when all the reality shows like 458 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: boomed the first time, and then I saw it again 459 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: immediately in my in my feed, and it's when you 460 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: sign those contracts and you don't know, you don't have 461 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: those protections, right, It's just I guess I've heard of 462 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: this show or I've heard of something like this show. 463 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: It's probably okay, and then they're not looking out for you. 464 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: They don't care. It's a business. 465 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 2: It's a business. 466 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: Yep. But there's plenty more we could talk about. 467 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: And I know some of you listeners. I was just 468 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: talking to a friend about this the other day. She 469 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: doesn't watch The Bachelor, but she listens to Bachelor podcasts, 470 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: and she has one that's two men and one that's 471 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: two women, and she loves listening to the difference in 472 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: the takes between the two. 473 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, in front of the show and as she does 474 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: a bulow deck she did. I don't know if she 475 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: still does a below deck podcast. 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