WEBVTT - “Gilbert Arenas’ 60 Point Game” with Gilbert Arenas | Wizards vs. Lakers 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:10.799 December seventeenth, two thousand and six, Staples Center, Los Angeles, California. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:17.759 Agent Zero, the Black Mamba, Mono E Mono. This is 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:27.000 Gilbert Arenas's sixty point game. Hello, and welcome to Games 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.320 with Names, presented by win Bet. I'm Julian Edelman, I'm 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.280 Sam Morrel, and we're on the search to find the 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:37.080 greatest games of all time. And today we're talking about 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:42.320 Gilly Gilbert, Agent zero, Arena's sixty point game against the 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.680 Lakers and Kobe Bryant, and we're gonna be joined by 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.120 Gilbert Arenas. In just a bit. We'll check out what 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.800 was going on in the world in December of six, 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.040 and we'll take a look back at both of these teams, 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.640 then wrap it up by naming the game and scoring 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:59.320 the match was a This was a sick game. Yeah, 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.200 I mean two legends. This was in the prime of 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.959 Gilbert Arenas's Like there was like a three four year 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.319 period where you could argue he was probably one of 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.240 the best scorers in the world. Yeah, it was. I mean, dude, 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.959 everyone talks about like Kobe versus Team Act, or Kobe 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.880 versus Vince or Kobe versus Ai, but like Arenas had 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.960 a stretch where he was a killer. Yeah, just going 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.720 back and watching this game, he did it in all 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.200 phases of the game. He could come off the screen 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.640 shoot three. He could his mid range jumper was insane. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.280 In transition, he could get to the line. He went 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.720 to the line twenty seven times. That's went twenty two 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.960 for twenty seven. That's that's insane, isn't it. That's insane. Yeah, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.920 I mean except for like during the James Harden era, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:44.840 there was an arrow a Harden would just be at 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.960 the line. You'd breathe on him and he would just 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:51.600 like shoot free throws. Games changed, The games changed, game change, 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.240 games with names, games with names that change, and follow 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.040 games with names on all social media, remember to do 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:05.040 that TikTok or Instagram, YouTube, Facebook? Are we on Facebook? 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.000 Is that still a thing? We're not, all right, Maybe 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.799 we can make it a thing. But also, if you're 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:16.480 listening to it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen, 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:22.360 we are there, comment, click subscribe. We want to see you. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.440 We want to hear what you're talking about. We want 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.600 to hear what game you want to hear? Right? Yeah, absolutely, 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.720 I mean this is one like communal, This is one 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.040 I'm pumped for. I remember watching this game live and 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.440 being like, holy shit, like you knew you were watching 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.880 an epic game. Yeah. I mean anytime Kobe was on, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.880 it was like always must see TV. And then you 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:47.120 throw on Gilbert Renez, like you had to watch this game. Kobe. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.480 I was always kind of rooting against because he was 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.840 so good, and it was almost like Kobe went through 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.680 that phase where it was like uncol to like Kobe 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.640 because he was just winning. So I felt like the 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.400 posers like Kobe. And then he kind of lost for 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.919 a while and drove shack out and humbled a little. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.080 And this is like when he became cool again. I 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.440 feel like, yeah, him, Poucassol, he didn't have Shaq. He 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.400 was coming into his own. He was trying to learn 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:13.480 how to win without Shaq, and U exactly what you said, 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.280 when when guys are hot, when you're at the top, 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.000 it's lonely at the top. Everyone want to see you 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.320 a fall. Then he hits rock bottom, Shaq goes out 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.080 and wins some titles. Yeah, he's still looking for it. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.120 And this is when everyone kind of got back on 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.200 that Kobe train. Yeah, I mean this was kind of 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.440 Kobe and like, I think he was like fourth in 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.960 the league in scoring this year, So this was maybe 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.280 like the year after he was like I'm taking every shot. 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.880 He had that one weird year in the playoffs against 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.120 the Suns where he just wouldn't take a shot and 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:43.920 being like, oh, I shoot too much, Let's see what 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.920 anyone else can do. And you're like, weird, time to flex, Kobe, 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:51.320 we'd time to sink your team. It's something it's a 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.240 characteristic in those ultra competitors that are just so petty 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.160 when someone says something about them that they're going to 0:03:58.240 --> 0:03:59.960 do everything, they just all right, you want to see 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.280 without me shooting, We're not going to shoot, but Tom 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.840 ever do shit like that. Ah. Now, he was pretty 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.760 good at compartmentalizing, you know, he would he would create 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.640 stories in his mind with certain things that went on. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.359 But you never you never saw him as a different 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.919 player when we were preparing for a game or anything 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.599 like that, because like he that's his master's strength. He 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.440 can he can always compartmentalize regardless of what's going on 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.160 in his life, going around the team, his you know, 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:36.200 reactions of what's happening with the front office. He was 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.080 always the same guy was this jack Was this number 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.400 eight Kobe or number twenty four Kobe. I feel like 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.440 it was a let me look one second, because I 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.680 feel like eight Kobe and twenty four Kobe. Like when 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.120 he was number twenty four, he became more of a leader. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.240 When he was eight, he was kind of like the 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.159 I'm the swaggy cool guy and the minifro went away. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.120 The mini fro. You're right, minifro. I love the minifro. 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.720 Mini fro was always cool. It was you know, I 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.960 like when players look like they're in the seventies, like 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:06.320 when a baseball player is a mustache or Wallace, Ben Wallace, 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.839 Ben Wallace. He just he played like a seventies player. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.640 He did that big old fro dunk on you what 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.400 we got, Jackie. This was twenty four of Kobe, twenty 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:20.040 four four. Then he wanted a clean slate after Shaq 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.040 was traded. Interesting, Yeah, that's the only reason. That's the 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:29.280 only reason. Let's go back to December seventeenth, two thousand 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.120 and six, number one movie The Pursuit of Happiness with 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.120 Will Smith and the debut of his son was Jaylen Smith. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:42.480 Jayden Jayden, Jaden Smith. I I shed tears every time 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.520 I watched this one. Yeah, Will Smith down his luck 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.640 trying to get back kind of like Will Smith today 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.359 in real life kind of. But no, this was a 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.000 good movie and it was insane, and it took place 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.320 in San Francisco. There was a forty nine ers scene, so, like, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.760 you know, I just loved the movie. Inspiring too, like 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.800 the homeless just trying to save his son, and then 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.480 it becomes just like successful real real story too, underdog 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.880 story and you know, one of those feel good movies 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.719 when you're you're feeling like shit feels good for like 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.160 the last ten minutes, yeah, last time. The first hour 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.480 and a half, you're like, sheesus Christ, guy a break, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.280 he's selling Like what the projector things back in the nineties, 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.279 what is it? I don't know, but uh, it was 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.440 good to see that. I loved that movie. Yeah, it 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.359 was a classic. It was a good flick. Sudan Hussy 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:37.320 was sentenced to death by hanging in November. Hanging is 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:41.479 so old school, very very very old school. They should 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.320 do like an NBC show where we killed dictators with Hangman. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.920 You have to guess letters like little kids have to 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.680 guess the letters is R is R one and then 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.479 he's just like, shit, it is one. Sorry, Saddam your dad. 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.920 Nintendo Wei was launched. I love Nintendo we for like 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.719 three months, and then I was like, it's not that good. Yeah, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.719 you got excited because you saw the bowling commercial and 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.279 the hating commercial, but if you're a real gamer, you're like, 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:12.440 this sucks. Yeah, it wasn't. Tennis was kind of fun tennis, 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.880 but I like when they were like, it's exercise. I'm like, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.720 it was always like a fat piece of shit. Who 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.200 was telling you this was exercise? They were like, it's 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.440 like real exercise. I'm like the boxing doing this. But 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.600 it was. It was a good party system, you know, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.600 because then everyone who didn't play games could actually come in. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.000 You guys could drink, make a drinking game out of 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.720 it or something along those lines. It was fun. I 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.080 enjoyed it. I had it for like and then they 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.760 would The next one was a game cube. This is 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.960 game cube proceeded, I believe, yeah, and this would. But 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.240 you're right, this was good for people that aren't gamers. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.680 It was like it was like the casual system because 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.480 you could learn, like your mom could come in and 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.040 pick up bowling. Yeah, it's kind of like the the 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.920 VHR now or one are the virtual reality goggles that 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.560 they have oculus Oculus Like all right, yeah, that's fun 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.280 for like twenty minutes, and then yeah, it's more fun 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.320 in theory than execution. Yeah, it's never gonna be. You 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:09.720 put it on too, and you're like the people say 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.360 video games make you anti social. Then you're literally putting 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.560 goggles on and you're in a room alone like m 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:20.040 You're like, this is like the epitome of isolation. Remember 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.640 that was gonna be the ticket, Like when this whole 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.640 craze of like NFTs and everything, everyone's gonna just have 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.000 virtual reality goggles and we're not even gonna leave our house. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:34.000 It's gonna be amazing. Yeah, well that's the way we're 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.040 headed with the metaverse. That's what they're trying to get 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.360 us to do. I thot the metaverse was done. I 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.199 think it's I think they're just warming up. Are we 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.760 warming up? Jackie? Remember back when you made the Google 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.920 Glass video, Like, oh, twenty thirteen Google Glass video. I 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.440 remember that twenty thirteen we went out and did an 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.560 ad for Google Glass and I had I was catching 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:57.440 punts on an off day with these Google glasses, it 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.920 was not you didn't like it. I mean they didn't 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.400 work did they do? They didn't work out. It's gone. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.880 They was gonna be the wave too. You never know 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.920 that could come back though. It's kind of like, uh, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.679 TikTok and Vine, like Vine didn't make it now TikTok's 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.000 basically Vine and it made it. You just need some 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.720 better marketers. Yeah, I mean my Space started the whole 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.680 thing Friendster before that. Maybe we'll get to ask Geeve 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.200 goggles or something like that. Yeah, ask Geeve the hot bot. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.760 Remember that I asked Jeeves was a fucking How about 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.400 You know who's really hurting right now is probably Yahoo? 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.160 Are they? They could have been Google? Yeah, could have 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.520 been Googled. Couldn't they have bottom or something? There was 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.320 one of those things they could have bought Google early. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.600 How about AOL? I feel like Florida is keeping aol afloat. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.600 I feel like there's just a few old people just 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:47.320 they still have the disc. They're like, I'm still I'm 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.319 still logging on they dial up sound that dial Oh 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.040 my god. Remember you'd be like on the phone, you'd 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.959 be like, mom, please, I'm trying to call a friend. 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.360 She's like, I'm checking my mail. You couldn't be on 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.600 the phone. That was crazy. Yet, two thousand and two, 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.120 Yahoo turned down a million dollars to buy Google a 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:08.320 million million dollars. That's kind of like Blockbuster Netflix. Yeah, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.760 damn well, I mean Netflix just you're right, just copied 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.560 Blockbuster and then it became streaming. No. I remember my 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.560 friend had Netflix and I thought it was so lame. 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.720 You had to like go online and you had to 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.200 order a movie in like three days. You would get 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:23.800 a CD and you'd have it for like a month. 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.600 You only watched the movie once? So what was the 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.640 big thing about it? Like, I was like, this is dumb. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.280 That's what we used to do. I want to go 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.520 to Blockbuster and I want to go, like look at 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.000 everything that was Like that was almost more of the 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.440 day than watching the movie. Is picking the movie? That 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.280 was Friday Night? Yeah, anytime in the nineties, it's crazy. Yeah, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.000 I was with you. I mean the fact that the 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.679 mailman had to deliver your movie and they had the 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.120 boxes or is that red box? Red Box? Didn't Netflix 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:54.000 have a box as well? I don't know. Well, bow 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.560 Rat was released in November. I like a boat. I 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.920 don't have I have about a boat rack. I don't 0:10:59.920 --> 0:11:02.000 know of the accent. Everyone was doing that voice that 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.120 was like, let's go Brandon before we were so divided, remember, 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.120 it was just like that was like the apolitical let's 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.160 go Brandon. It was that and I'm Rick James bitch, 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.079 and like every time you're like, all right, we get it. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:19.240 We've seen the fucking thing. Boright. Huge though, seventy second 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:24.040 Heisman Trophy Award Troy Smith, Ohio State quarterback didn't pan 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.559 out in the league. Most of those Heisman quarterbacks, don't. 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.800 We need to get what Heisman quarterback has done well 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:35.840 in the NFL. There's a few. Carson Palmer didn't win 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:43.120 a Super Bowl like t Bow. You know, he circumcised 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.200 a kid, You know that, right, I didn't know. He 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.520 went to the Philippines and was like given circumcisions out. Damn. 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.839 I don't know. That is the weirdest sentence ever. It's 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.000 I think that's a full true story. He went to 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.800 the Philippines and circumcised the kids circum like he was 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.800 giving out circumcisions. It's damn. He was fun. He was 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.520 fun in the NFL. So he came to he played 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.000 with us for a while. Yeah, and there's a guy 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.920 named Nico Kudoviti's. He was like the levantier of the 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.240 locker room, like just he was a Greek guy, but 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.160 he thought he was like Italian and he talked like 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.120 like this, that New York guy. And the first day 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.440 we signed Tebo, he just looks over he go, hey, Tbo, 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.360 you mean to tell me you know? Jack off? Like 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.600 this guy's got this and he has a stigma, like 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.800 an aura about him when he walks into somewhere. He's 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.240 he's a popular guy. Everyone knows who Tim Tebow is. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.040 People love him, so you can't get a little intimidated. 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.960 I was. I didn't say anything. What did THO say? 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.680 He just kind of shook it off and laughed like 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.880 he's probably gotten those jokes from locker rooms a bunch. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.800 But uh, it's funny. They should have kept going. They 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.839 should been like, whip it out, dude, let's see it. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.280 Come on, Tebo, prove it, prove it? Does he? Does he? Not? Jack? 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.080 I think he was just being a smart ass Nico 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:02.680 jacket on that. Yell me, look, your Google search is 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.200 gonna be rough. You might have to go to uporn 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:09.160 for that one. Yeah, Tim Tebow whacking it, he must 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:13.080 whack off. I think that's gotta be a detriment at 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.480 a certain point if you never get a release. Yeah, 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.079 I think it's a religion thing. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.560 So the NBA in two thousand and six, the San 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.800 Antonio Spurs swept the Cleveland Cavaliers in the finals, Lebron's 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:31.120 first finals. That was his baptism. Yeah, baptism by the 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:36.679 big fundamental Tim Duncan. Was unreal. And also he had 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.760 no help. Lebron was young. Sure he was a little 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.000 young to be here, but who is the second best player? 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:48.920 Booby Gibson, Sasha avl Goasca, big Zka. I was in 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.840 Cleveland when this was happening. There was such a energy 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:58.840 in Northeast Ohio with Lebron and his young his he 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.480 was just a monster. I don't know he was. How 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.880 old was he was like his third year in the league. Yeah, 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.800 it's insane. He made the final three in yeah with 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.400 like no, he really had no help on this team. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.480 He didn't even have like Anton Jamison yet, he had 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.520 no out. Did he have Moe Williams. He did not 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.240 have Mo he had Scott Pollard, He had Eric Snow, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:26.800 David Wesley Wesley, Dwayne Jones, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden exactly. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.640 He had no one. Yeah, no disrespect to those guys, 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.280 but that's insane. Remember when Drew Gooden had the patch 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:33.680 in the back of his head. It was awful. That 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.520 was not good. You remember that he he didn't have 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.600 any hair except one little patch in the back of 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:43.360 his head. That's kind of tight rat tail. It wasn't 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:44.800 even a rat tail. He was trying to get it 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.160 to be rat til maybe though it was like pre 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.160 stage rat tail. But then sometimes if you're growing your 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:50.560 hair out, you got to you gotta stick through the 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.200 ugly stage. I know, you got to get the whole hair. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:54.840 It's like when you do a mustache. If you did 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.760 a mustache, now be fine, But if you just grew 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.960 the mustache, yeah, we should like kind of like how 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.720 Sam holds his all the time. Sam's got a good stash. Yeah, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.440 dirty Sanchez. The MAVs were sixty five and fifteen this year. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.760 The Sons were sixty one and twenty one. Two killer 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.920 regular season teams that just didn't have the juice that 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.920 was Steve Nash. Sons huh. They were fucking from Mary Stademern. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.040 I remember the West Coast teams a lot more at 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.840 this point because I was still in the West Coast 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.240 maybe at that time. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's isn't 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:30.680 it crazy with sports? Unless you watch Sports Center twenty 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.680 four to seven. At that time, you were only like 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.280 limited to who who you are, who you had on TV. 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.880 There was no League pass yet. I don't think no. 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.040 NBA TV was just becoming a thing. I think. But 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.800 Kobe was a scoring leader, thirty one a game, MVP Dirk, 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.920 he was killing it. Rookie the year. Brandon Roy was 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.960 he was like one of the ultimate what ifs. That 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.800 guy was phenomenal on his knee. He just had like 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.440 no cartilage in his knees right the worst I feel 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.200 bad for him? How you feel, Buddy? Its almost worse 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.480 and not being able to jack off t BO that's 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.840 stinks now. He was He also got shot recently. Brandon Roy, 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.920 he just had like bad luck. When it rains, it poors, Buddy, 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:16.600 it rains, it poors. Dpoy Marcus Camby, he was he 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.840 was a man. Isaiah Thomas took over as the Knicks coach. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.520 I thought that would have been a good match. That 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.200 was terrible. I mean that was like one of the 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.000 worst periods as the Knicks fan. He just didn't have 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.600 what it takes to be a good coach. He was good, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.760 I guess with the Pacers, but he problem was he 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.120 was a GM before this, so he signed these horrible 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.840 contracts and then he had to play them. It was like, 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.400 this is your fault. You literally can't blame anyone but 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:47.120 you when you got all control. Yeah, can't blame anyone. See, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:51.440 you better be pointing that thumb to yourself, buddy. Adidas 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.160 became the official outfitter of the league. Yeah, this is 0:16:55.160 --> 0:17:01.680 before they employed Anti Semites. Uh. Well them and Puma. Yeah, 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:05.160 oh yeah, because they were brothers, you know that. Yeah, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.840 those were brothers. They broke off. One beat was took 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.280 the Adida's name and one made Puma. Damn yeh Narley. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:18.720 Uh remember those space shoes Adidas, that Kobe's first shoe. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.640 Oh those were horrible. They look like bricks, right, Well, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.080 those are the coolest. That's what all the kids wear nowadays. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.240 The Kobe's no like just brick looking shoes, like these 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:31.960 fat shoes, big old blockie clunkers. Yeah, the Kobe Adidas, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.960 the original. They're on the top left or that left one. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:43.879 Those are awful. What what are we doing here? What 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:48.840 it looks like a Volvo? It doesn't, It is true. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.000 They support look at that like were wearing those What 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.879 is that? It looks like one of those winter puffers, 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:02.480 those jackets you know. Yeah. Long time Boston Celtics coach 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:09.320 an executive Red Aarbach died October twenty legend. It's always 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:14.159 funny to hear stories about Old Red. Anytime he was 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.439 in the the arena, everyone knew because you just smelled 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.919 the cigar. Yeah, there were no non smoking laws for 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.160 Red anywhere. Shout out to him making it to eighty nine. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.720 The way he looked and lived he did. He was 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.879 not a healthy man. He couldn't have been. He had 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.240 a cigar in his mouth out all times. When cigars 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.080 like fifty cigarettes? Yeah, isn't that what it is? Something 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.760 like that? Is it? Yeah? The cigarettes? They say, like 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.440 one cigar is like fifteen cigarette. You're not inhaling, right, yeah, right, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.639 If you're a fucking pro like Red, he's definitely inhaling 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.360 that bad boy. Do you think he's inhaling a little 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.720 bit honey, Yeah he was. He was, I mean as 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:54.760 big of a Boston legend as you can be. I mean, 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.040 the architect of those teams start as a coach, became 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:02.280 the front office. JBS talks about him inside the NFL. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.480 He said, that's what he told me, that story. Anytime 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.200 you're in arena and you smoke a cigar, you knew 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.160 Red was around. I think Paul Pierce said it when 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.000 he came on too, And Paul and Paul they're saying, here, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.440 one small cigar is the same as one and a 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.120 half cigarettes. Red one smoking is small. He wasn't smoking. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.119 He knows nothing small about anything on Red. Also, that 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:29.479 ratio sounds like it can't be right, can't. Gars are 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.560 so much cooler than cigarettes. Cigarettes. You look like it's 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.280 like a nervous energy. Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.960 Cigars you're just like chilling. It depends on how you 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.960 smoke a cigarette. I mean, some guys look pretty cool 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.320 doing it. It looks cool, But there's something about a 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:48.240 cigar that's like swagger. It's more like vacation vibe exactly. Cigarettes. 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.160 Like like you said, like, all right, I gotta get 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.880 this stress off here real quick. Let me just take 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.639 down one of these Ciggi's yeah, cigarettes, Like, where the 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.479 fuck is that missing girl? You know cigars? Just like 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.640 I got some stock options for you. I'll help out. 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.960 What were you doing in two thousand and six, jewels? 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.960 You were at Kent State? Right is my first year 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:14.879 at Kent State. Man, I was like open to a 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.359 whole new world going to the Midwest. I never left 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.800 California before this, other than I went to Florida once. 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.560 But uh, it was it was crazy to me. Like 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.320 you were at QB. I was QB in it at 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:32.639 Kent living over in Silver Meadows getting robbed. I got robbed. 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.320 Someone came in and robbed my my TV, my flat 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.520 screen while you were there. No, I was at class. 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.400 So it was definitely inside job. We used to hold 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.919 poker tournaments there, and so I used to go to 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:48.480 these pull inside job, pull inside job xbox and I 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.520 had a plasma TV you know, which was huge back 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.879 in the Yeah, yeah, plasma was big. And so one 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.320 day I go to like this poker tournament, like we 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.440 used to go to these like illegal poker tournaments. We're 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:03.040 probably gonnay for this, but go like forty miles away 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:07.520 from Kent in some like Podunk Ohio Town. And there's 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.840 a scratch on my TV that I knew. And I 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.879 walk into this fucking this cash or this game, and 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.720 I see my fucking TV with the exact same thing, 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:21.040 like who what? So I sat there and I was 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:22.919 fuming the whole time I was playing. I was like, 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.800 who fucking stole my shit? And so I had a 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.280 Queen eight and this was a cash game, it wasn't 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.560 a tournament, and it was like a thousand dollars hand 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.800 and that's huge hand for when you're in college. And 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:41.280 I fucking like I rivered like the nuts won the hand. 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.119 I grabbed all my money and I said, that's my 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.680 fucking TV. I picked up the TV and I left. WHOA. 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:50.439 I was so fucking round. I was someone at the 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.240 game who jacked it. Someone. I was like, who the fuck? 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.320 Where'd you get this TV? Picked up the TV, picked 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.679 up my money, gave a spit, and I was like, 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.639 let's go. That's bad ass. It was. It was pretty 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.520 bad ass, but I was like, I was so hot 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:06.080 and I was ready to fight. I was like ready, 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.720 Like I thought someone was gonna be the biggest dude there. No, 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.000 I'm a five ten brother. I know, but you're fucking yoked. Yeah. 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.639 I was a quarterback at the time. Yeah, you were 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.280 still probably a jack quarterback. I was a little jazz, 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.560 pretty jacked, I mean, but nothing crazy. But I've got Julian. 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.320 I've got Julian Edelman shredded on my Google search, do 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:26.280 you Yeah? Because I was trying to show my trainer. 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:28.359 I was like, look how Jackie is. But now if 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:29.840 you look at my Google search, he be like, why 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.840 is he looking up jack pictures of Julian? But it's 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:37.120 to show my trainer. I'm like, look at that. Well, 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.840 my Google search it says Sam Morel funny because nothing 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.600 came up. No, I was looking for jokes, struck out, 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.080 looking for jokes for this podcast shown up. This guy 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.040 throws out a funny joke. Every time I have nothing 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:53.280 to come back. You're killing giggle with a giggle. I 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.800 would think of that Sopranos scene. Remember when Jackie Junior 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.480 and those dudes try to rob the poker game. That's 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.159 one of the best scenes. It was like that, Yeah, 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.200 but I right away, dude, dude, I remember my blood 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.320 was pumping so hard. I was like, oh, yeah, I 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:09.880 just got a hand, got my TV back. Fuck yeah, 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:16.360 I love that. That's fucking badass. Let's talk about this matchup. Oh, 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:18.320 we gotcha at the I got the two thousand and 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.520 six stats, one hundred and twenty four passer rating, two 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:23.600 hundred and forty two passing attempt seems kind of high. 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:26.080 I would have thought less for you were we were 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:28.840 throwing that thing, baby, we were West Coast. Spread them 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:32.840 Shatham get open wide shallow ten tds ten, How many 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:37.119 picks eleven? Oh damn, those are rushing team Bill Simms 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.880 regular season numbers right there. I used to rush, though 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.359 I was a runner too. Now probably had to let 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:44.840 me look into those real quick. Now I'll have to 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:49.359 get that. Let's talk about this matchup. Lakers forty two 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:52.480 and forty finished seventh in the West. Kobe was leading 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.639 the NBA and scoring with thirty six point or thirty 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.920 one point six points per game. That was the year 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.920 they drafted Jordan Farmar Jew in the first round. Oh yeah, dude, 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.879 Jewish representation in the NBA. There's not a lot of 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.400 us Amari, that's true. He's he's our on the old 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.439 jew team. Amari is our star Amari and Dolph sha 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:18.000 is from like the nineteen fifties. Our guys, these were 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:23.240 post shack Lakers, not the greatest Lakers of all time. Yeah, 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.280 this is a rough team. This is Jordan Baying, I'm 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:29.919 Chris Mim, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton another Arizona guy too. 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.320 Before lamar Odem they just got this was that was 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:34.720 the shack t that was pre? Was that pre? That 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:38.719 was pre? Who didn't he dig? It was pre? Kim Kardashian. 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:42.520 You saw lamar Odum on a flight? Yeah, how's he doing? 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:48.560 It was Chloe? Yeah, yeah, thanks yummy, thanks to thanks you. 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.040 I he came in like almost a little late. Did 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.600 you say hi? No? He was No, absolutely not. Why 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.800 I don't know. Yeah, but there's gotta be like an athlete. Yeah, 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.720 I'm not gonna bug him, but he's I don't know 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.760 why he wasn't. He didn't sit in first class. He 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:09.280 sat in an exit row. Maybe because he's so long 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.800 that he needed the the leg space. But it was 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:17.000 still a little I mean, because if you think they 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.199 were like the pod things, maybe it wasn't enough leg space. 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.080 I don't know, but I don't know, dude. I think 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.399 if if you can get that pod, you're taking the 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:27.520 pod Yeah, maybe it was a last, last second flight. 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:30.400 He he he needs that happens, that does happen. Benefit of doubt. 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:32.159 I hope he still got some money. I was a 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:36.280 big lamar Odom fan, New York guy, legend, six eleven, 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.840 futuristic player, like truly one of my favorite dudes to watch. 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.600 Incredible talent, and it is he goes in that category 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:45.600 of if he played in now's era, he would have 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.359 been great. I think he'd be a great modern day player. 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:50.600 See I mean say that about a lot of guys 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:52.639 back in the day. She'd I think would have been 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:56.879 another great modern day player. Lamar Odom was six eleven, 0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.399 and he had ball handling ability and could kind of 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.159 just do everything. Yeah, he was and he had no ego. 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.240 I mean on the court, came off the bench for 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.040 the Lakers, he could. He was a fucking All Star 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:07.879 level player. I don't even think he ever made an 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.560 All Star team, but he was on Team USA. But 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:12.800 he was like fucking six man for the Lakers when 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.320 they were making that run and you're like, that's incredible, 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.400 that's humbling. But he had but he wanted to win 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.000 and he was. He was great. I mean, he was 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.679 a great player for the Lakers. Yeah, no All Stars, 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:27.360 but NBA six man in twenty eleven. No, maybe one 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:28.959 of the best players ever to never make an All 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.960 Star team, without question. And he just beat Aaron Carter 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.399 in celebrity boxing. I think I thought he lost. No, 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:36.520 he beat the crab out of him. He just lost 0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.159 to something before that, though, didn't he Yeah, let me 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.280 look up his boxing record. He beat Aaron Man. If 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.480 he lost to Aaron Carter, that would have been rough. Aaron. 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.639 Was he like a Backstreet boy or something? Oh, his 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:47.840 brother's a brother. Man. If he lost to the brother 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.159 of a backstreet boy, that would that's like losing to 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:55.359 Joey Fotone's nephew or something. That's bullshit. That's yeah, no, 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.480 thank guy. He's six eleven, he's got reached. He lost 0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:01.040 to someone though recently. Oh wait, he's two and oh 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:04.600 he's two and oh good. That was Frank Gore. Frank 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.840 Gore lost to Darren Williams. Yeah I did. I would 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:10.800 not have bet on Darren Williams. No, but he handled 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:12.360 him a little bit. And I'm a Frank go. Frank 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.240 Gore is my guy. He is Frank Gore Hall of Famer. Yeah, 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.399 I mean just Likeevity alone, right, I mean he was 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.399 a beast for so long, not like some of the 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.720 He's top five in rushing or something, and he played forever. 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.600 He was awesome for a long longevity. Darren Williams, though, 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:30.480 had fucking hands. Did he see that length? That length? 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.600 I didn't have bet my life on Gore, me too, 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.480 because Gore's like he was known to be a boxing guy. 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:37.560 He was always in the ring or always training in 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:41.320 the off season boxing. Darren Williams looked like he could fight. 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.399 He was. Darren Williams had like a run in the 0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:48.040 NBA where he was just phenomenal, but he did kind of. 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.280 He came to Brooklyn and and it didn't really work 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:55.480 out here in Brooklyn with that Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.840 Darren Williams, Joe Johnson squad didn't. It usually doesn't work 0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:03.600 out New York. You know, at least Knick Knicks are 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.240 having it. They're gonna have a year this year. Dude, 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.439 I don't know when this episode comes out. That's a 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.880 bold prediction, but Knicks are fucking more in the Knicks 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:12.639 shoes and more in the Knicks hat. Let's fucking go 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.200 that's a cool Knicks hat. It was like a fire department, 0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.720 fire department hat. They got to make a New York 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.000 Giant New York Giants one for day Ball because he 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.800 always wears the New York Fire Department. Fucking love day 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:27.320 Ball six and one. He's fucking awesome, he really is. 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:31.760 He Lea's like out of season Chris Kringle, doesn't he 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.600 He looks like, you know, like you know, Santa before 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.840 he puts on He's got a little Santa belly. But 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:38.920 he got a little Tony soprano vibe to him too, 0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.920 he does. He's got a little soprano swag. I guess 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:44.960 you kind of have to in Jersey, the Meadowlands. He's 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:48.800 from upstate New York. He's from Buffalo or Western Buffalo. 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.800 Buffalo has got definite mafia vibes, have you been? I mean, 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.960 the Italian the Italian defamation leagu' is gonna come after 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.760 me for this one. No. Uh. The Italian food in 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.400 Buffalo is some of the best you'll ever eat. I mean, 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:06.800 really next level in the wings. Yeah, that's true. They 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:08.680 think they invented them. I don't know if it's true. 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.960 They will tell you. They invented them. Rudy's Blue Cheese. 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.880 Shout out to Buffalo Rudy's Blue Cheese. Gronk always used 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.680 to bring it. Really Yeah, you like jewels, you gotta 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.960 try this blue cheese. It's my favorite. And his mom 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:23.280 used to make a Buffalo chicken dip all the time. 0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:26.440 That's a huge Buffalo thing. I feel blankas from Buffalo 0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:30.720 born and raised. I didn't know that. It all makes sense. 0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:34.120 That does make sense. It all makes sense. Sorry, Jack, 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.560 were you going to say something. Daboll actually born in Canada, Canada, 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.680 grew up in upstate New York. Though. Yeah, it's the 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.200 same shit Ontario. Yeah, but that's right on that line. 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:48.080 You're right there. I mean, there's this interesting. The Wizards 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.640 were forty one and forty one. Yeah, they were swept 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.720 by the Calves in the first round. Coached by Eddie Jordan. 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.320 This was a weird era. Arenas were third and scoring 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:58.960 that year. I mean, people forget how good he was. 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.600 They had Anton Jamis who was like, honestly, I know, 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.040 I say, it's a lot another guy who would almost 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.400 be better in today's NBA because he was a stretch four. 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:08.640 It was almost before the time of the stretch four. 0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:11.520 Did he have the headband? He played sometimes with the 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.719 head bands. North Carolina guy, Yeah, one fun factor at 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.840 Anton Jamison. I believe they traded him and Vince Carter 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.719 on Draft night. I could be wrong there, but they 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.400 were both tar heels and I think was that right. 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:29.840 Let me see here, the Warriors traded North Carolina's Vince 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.960 Carter the number five pick to the Raptors for tar 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:37.080 heel teammate Anton Jamison. That's four weird you traded for 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:41.000 your tar heel teammate. I mean, that's how stacked that 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.600 North Carolina team was. They Karan Butler on this team, 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.880 who I loved watching Karan Butler. He was like a tough, 0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:50.600 gritty player, could score, but he was like he was 0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.000 like your defensive stopper guy. He was. He was a killer. 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:57.000 Deshaun Stevenson, NBA champ with the MAVs, this was like 0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:58.760 he was a good player here. This was before he 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:00.840 took like that next step. I think they were always 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.040 a sexy team, the Wizards these these few years. They 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:07.320 always like were competitive. I always had like a crazy 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.320 night like Gilbert had tonight. They were a sexy team. 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.680 They were like a fun video game because of Gilbert 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:15.360 and because of Kuran and zach Con. They were a 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:17.600 fun team for sure, a great offensive team, but they 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:21.200 didn't play day other than Butler, and maybe a little 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.320 bit was Brendan Haywood on this team. He was a 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:28.840 good shop blocker. But let's get into the game. Gil 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.880 got out to a hot start with twelve in the first. 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.160 Seemed like he was hitting everything. It was so fun 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.000 to watch him. I mean, that step back was beautiful. 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.360 Like I was trying to think of modern players that 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.480 play like him. I couldn't even think of one, no, 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.480 because all modern players do is just shoot threes. But 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.680 he had that nice mid range range I could have. 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.160 He was just hitting mid range all game. And also 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.160 he had that weird little like kind of step back 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:56.479 off the glass. He had that like smooth game. This 0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.680 era was a cool era, isn't it. It always? It's 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.840 crazy to me how well NBA players know the backboard. 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.480 I love it, you know what I mean, That's the 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.640 only shot I have consistently in the park because I 0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:10.520 will hit bank shots because I grew up watching Tim 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.920 Duncan and they're like, oh, you fucking boring ass, white guy. 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.200 It's literally how I score. Banks are always closed for me. 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:21.800 Reason banks are always closed for me. Yeah, you don't 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:26.240 do the bank No, No, it's a smart shot, Yeah 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.480 it is. I'm just not good at it. Do you 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.680 know who had a great bank shot? Dwayne Wade. No 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.760 one talks about that shit, but he was like automatic 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.479 off the glass. He made it. He made it look cooler, 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:39.280 like Tim Duncan. Everyone was like like man whatever. By 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.360 the way, one of the coolest players ever gets doesn't 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:43.240 get his due is like a cool player. But to me, 0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:47.480 I think winning's fucking cool. I too, Winning's fun. Yeah. 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:51.480 Gil had forty three in the second half. That's fucking insane. 0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.040 Kobe still had forty five in this game. It was 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.960 fun watching them go back and forth. Yeah, I got 0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.000 some questions about that. I guess they used to talk 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:03.520 shit Walton through Walton. Yeah, they had like a messenger. 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.880 They wouldn't talk straight to each other. They would like 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:11.160 like Walton like would come up to Arenas and say like, yeah, 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.000 Kobe says you're too pussy to guard him. And then 0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:16.680 you know, Gilbert would be like, well you tell him. 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:18.320 I'm not gonna let him post me up because he's 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:20.400 great in the post and like go down like it 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.680 was like a fucking full on well because they went 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.640 to Arizona together, right Arenas and Walton and then Walton 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.960 is Kobe's teammate. This Laker team kind of sucked. This 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.200 was a pretty like this was pretty much like this 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.960 was if these games were nationally televised. It's for Kobe. 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.520 They were yeah, forty and forty, but there was a 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.720 stretch where the Lakers were like not even a playoff team. 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:42.719 I remember like right after Shack left. This is when 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:44.840 they became like Kobe was so good, they were wand 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:48.160 of like, right now, Lakers suck right now, dude, it's 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.200 it's it's hard to watch they You know what, they 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.720 should have traded Westbrook for Miles Turner and Buddy Healed 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.240 because at least then they'd have some depth in shooting. 0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.480 They're shooting is a fucking They had a trade on 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.680 the table. I think they would probably would have to 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.360 give up picks, but I think he got to do that. 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.320 If you got why do you have Lebron if you're 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.360 not going to try to win? Do you see Nurkic 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.839 so disrespectful, didn't even step out on ad the other night, 0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.680 just let him jack it up. Ad. Yeah, I don't 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.879 know what they're doing. Man, the team doesn't work. They're 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.440 trying to blame everything on Westbrook. Hey, I feel bad 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.760 for Westbrook me too. It ain't right. I feel bad. 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.640 And he's pressing so much. I mean, they're giving him 0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:27.920 wide open mid range shots and he's got to hit 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:29.680 him though. I mean, you really do, Like you're an 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.879 NBA player, You got to hit that fucking mid range shot. Yeah. 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.760 But he is like he is getting all of the blame, 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.799 and it's like, dude, this I love how they blame 0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.120 Frank Vogel. They just fired him. I'm like, clearly, it's 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:45.239 not the guy who won you a championship's fault. I 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:47.799 hate when they blame a coach when it's like the 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:52.120 front office is doing jack shit. Crazy thing about this game. 0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:56.440 Washington was up seventeen points in the fourth quarter and 0:34:56.480 --> 0:35:00.719 then the Mamba came out brought him back for overtime. 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.720 Gilbert had the chance to win it on that last shot, 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.680 didn't hit it, brings it back, gives them extra time 0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:08.719 to get a little more extra points. He would have 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:10.759 finished sixty. He would have finished with forty four if 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.120 they didn't have overtime. You got It's like you're bummed 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:14.480 when you missed that shot, but then you're like, oh 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.799 wait a second, I get the Stabad a little bit. 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:22.239 Stat Pat love it. Gil sixteen and overtime helps the 0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:30.200 Wizards get the wh Vladimir Redmanovitch red Monovich remember him. 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.600 He finished with twenty seven. He was on that Lakers team. 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:34.560 He was on that team. You know, he's a really 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.000 fun team. That Seattle Sonics team. He was the power 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:39.399 forward on when they had like Rishard Lewis and Ray 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.680 Allen and Luke ridden Now and shit, that was a 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.000 that was a fun team. Everyone could shoot. Can we 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:48.200 bring Seattle team back? Get Seattle a fucking team. These 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.680 people deserve. They're great fans. Northwestern fans are they love them? 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:57.120 And that's basketball towns, Washington Stable Town. Holy shit, they 0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.560 got like Gonzaga and Washington State. They got all those 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.680 good basketball schools. Yeah, what do you got? Jackie said, 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:05.480 they get the damn kracking. No NBA team with the 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:09.560 kracking in the NHL. That's right, the crack. What is 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.919 that a fucking Halloween candy? Get that ship out of here. 0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:14.359 What is it called? What's next to fucking Nevada, mister 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:18.800 gold Bar. The cracking, the seattle cracking, that's their NHLPA. 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:23.399 What is a kracking? The cracking? The beast something a 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:30.479 sea beast, that's Jesus Christ. That's not a h eh eh, 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.720 I'm trying. I'm trying to find something good to say about. 0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:40.160 We just looked at the uniform. It's speaking of lame 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.560 the Wizards. You see their uniform this game, the Golden 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:46.799 Black horrible. It looked like an international team from like 0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:53.000 the Saudi League, the Saudi Alternates. These were These were 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.279 rough jerseys. Let's go to the gaming corner presented by 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.520 win Bet. What's the prop bet going to be? I 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:02.320 think we see how much beef we can get Arenas 0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:05.160 to talk shit? Because he is a notorious shit talker. 0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:06.920 That's kind of what I love about him. He's almost 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.120 from that, he's almost cut from that Gary Payton trash 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:14.279 talking cloth. I say, we can we get over two 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:17.640 point five beefs? Like we know he hates Kwame Brown? 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:19.600 Can we bring up to Kwame Brown beef? Can we 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.560 get him to go off on that? Who else in 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:23.640 the same He's probably probably had that edge, remember because 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.000 they were draft he was draft number one. Kwame went 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:28.719 number one that year, and Arenas went thirty one. Arenas 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.560 is the second round pick. Jack told us before Tony 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.719 Parker was, I believe twenty eighth in that draft. He was. 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:39.720 There were a lot of busts in this draft, though. 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.359 There were some guys that like Tyson Chandler went early 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:44.000 in this draft, and he kind of sucked for the 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:45.600 first four or five years and then he became a 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.200 great defensive guy, a winner, but like he had a 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.920 long stretch. Eddie Curry went early. Bulls got both and 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.239 this was like a weird yeah drama. Parker twenty eighth, Yeah, 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.040 one of the all time steals. And also they got 0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:58.680 I don't know what you they got Ginobili but he 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.480 was like fifty something the Spruce. That was when that 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:06.080 was when international players were still just like soft international players. 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.080 They didn't know. They didn't know, we didn't know. And 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.360 now it's like now like now it's like Luca Jokic, 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:17.520 all these like international the international players caught up. Oh dude, 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.799 it's they're they're there. It's becoming scary for the US 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.759 because they do the in All Star weekend, they do 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.960 World versus US and now the world is getting sneaky, which, 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.359 by the way, is not fair the world. It is. 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:29.959 We're taking on the world. What is this the fucking 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:34.200 Avengers movie? We should We're America. This fucking thing was 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:38.399 made in Nate Smith. We still I still we win. 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:40.839 I still think we But like, dude, they've got Joe 0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:47.080 al Embiid, Yannis, Luca Jokic. Technically they got Karl Anthony Towns. 0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:49.600 I think he's like from the Bahamas or something. Us. 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:54.640 So we got like Jimmy Butler, Lebron, durant Uhatum Tatum, 0:38:55.400 --> 0:39:01.560 who else, Steph Clay Clay everyone else. We're good. We're 0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:06.760 still good, but smart. Julius Randall New York represent who else? 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.239 I would just name the Celtics starting five probably for you. 0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:16.520 That's true. DeRozan is still a killer A D A 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:20.040 d if he's healthy. Lebron do you say Lebron? Yeah, 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:24.799 no doubt, Kyrie, Kyrie if he wants to play. It 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:28.640 feels like it. James Harden seems like the American guys 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:34.360 psychologically just they're good. They're the best, But like you know, 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.840 I mean, what are we doing guys? Ben Simmons International, 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:43.000 That's right, that help. That helps us. Yeah, what about 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:48.840 Uh who else are we? Where'd he born Australia? Yeah, 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:56.800 Bradley Beal, We got killers, we got enough, uh, Kilgus, Alexander, Yeah, 0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:02.560 Kawhi PG. That was he's been injured but when he's 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:05.160 but he hasn't been injured as of late. Yeah, he 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.279 just started playing. He's incredible. I mean, he's one of 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.480 the one of the best Hall of Fame. It'll be 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.399 good to see if the Clippers can go on a run. 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:13.839 They're the ultimate what if team, right because they got 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.160 John Wall, who's like a question mark who could be 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.760 great this year. They got PG, who's always heard, Kawhi 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:24.680 who's always hurt. They got the depth, zubots Canar is 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:29.000 a sniper dude. They got my guy, Marcus Morris give 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:30.919 the Knicks one of the best half seasons of my life. 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.560 Great tough guy, love Mooke, tough guy, tough guy ticket. 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.839 So just to lock it in here, two and a half, 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:38.800 we think in two and a half over under, Yeah, 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.080 we're two and a half. We're gonna get him to 0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:45.520 talk about three beefs. I think the Kobe beef is 0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:47.520 like gotta be in there because I think there's love, 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.000 but there's definitely beef. And then the kwame is a 0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:51.759 straight up beef, and I bet we can milk out. 0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:53.879 It's give us some other who else did you hate? 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:56.680 We'll say we can even preference a question like who 0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.120 else did you hate? And he's not a guy who 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.160 I think has to think about. This question is brought 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:06.040 to you by Arby's. Who's your biggest beef? Where's the beef? 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:08.880 We do deserve an RB's plug after that, give us 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.720 some free rbs. I've never Yesterday we were talking RB's 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.919 a couple of times I've never had Arby's. What I've 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.040 never had it? I know it's the only fast food 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.440 I've never had. Good. It's good RB sauce. You need 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:22.839 to drench it in arby sauce. Yeah, the horseradish, No, 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.520 it's like a fucking it's like a it's almost like 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:31.560 a Heinz fifty seven barbecue sweet sauce, stingy. I don't know. 0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.520 It was like my parents' first date was at Arby's. Ah, 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:38.319 that's beautiful, so nostalgic to me. All right, Well, we're 0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:40.440 gonna be joined by Gilbert Arenas right after this break. 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.520 Thanks for joining us. Man. How you doing, I'm doing good. 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:48.040 I'm doing good. But uh, I'm excited to have you man. 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:53.680 Three time All Star Agent zero loved watching you during 0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:55.960 this era. This is such a fun time. All NBA 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.160 second Team, two time All NBA Third Team Most Improved 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.000 Player in two thousand three. I remember I think I 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.280 picked you in fantasy that you you're on the Warriors. 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:05.840 That was I believe. I picked you early and I 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.800 got some ship, and I was like, watch and you delivered. 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:13.000 You had a big ear and holds the Wizards record 0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.719 for points in a game. I think you passed Earl 0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:20.040 the Pearl in this game. Yeah, no small feet, black Jesus, 0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:24.439 that guy ruled x Nick. That's our guy here. Cover 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.879 player for NBA Live two thousand and eight. And uh yeah, 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:31.440 thanks for joining us man. Oh that ship I forgot. 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:35.920 I did all that in such a short time. What 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:40.160 are you doing these days? What's what's post retirement looking like? Uh? 0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:44.000 You know, just like you guys podcasting, you know, trying 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:46.279 to you know, be one of those athletes that you 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:50.840 know that gets the show, the human side of them. 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.360 You know, when you're when you're an athlete, you have 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.279 to play by the media rules a little bit with 0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:00.880 answering questions, so you become you know, robotic. You know, 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:03.520 now that I'm podcasting, you just get to lay it 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:07.560 all out there. This was an awesome I mean, we're 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:09.919 doing the game where you dropped sixty on Kobe, which 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.719 is I remember watching live, I remember rooting. I wasn't 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.279 a Wizards fan, but I rooted for you to I 0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:18.200 kind of couldn't root for Kobe. I feel like all 0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.319 the he was like, it was like almost fair weather 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.479 to root for Kobe. He was so beloved at the time. 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:24.120 So I was like I looked at Kobe the way 0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.839 I looked at like Rick Flair and wrestling. Well, I 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:29.680 was like, I appreciated him, and I was so happy 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:31.560 he was a part of the league. But I couldn't 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.640 pull for him, you know. So I would root for 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:35.760 guys like you or Tam Mac when I was watching, 0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:39.160 you know, and I loved watching you go off in 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.480 this game. This was this was epic. How real was 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:45.760 this rivalry between you and Kobe? It was It actually 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:51.560 started my rookie, I mean the connection started in high school. 0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:55.920 He didn't know it, but he got drafted, you know, 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.399 by the Lakers. So he's the high school kid, right. 0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:02.160 He goes to vig this beach breaks his head, and 0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:04.440 me and my friends we were like, oh man, we 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.680 missed him. Let's go back. Let's go the following week 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:09.560 to see if he's gonna show up and not realize 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:11.680 that he broke his hand. He would not be there, okay, 0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:16.360 just we were high school kids, you know. So I 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.640 go there, we're playing outside, I break my hand, I 0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:21.560 break my right hand. I'm like, oh shit, I'm just 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:24.480 like Kobe, right. So I grew my fro out and 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:26.880 all that. So I was a big Kobe fan. And 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:28.719 I remember when I get drafted to When I got 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:32.840 drafted to Golden State thirty one, my friend calls me 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.400 and he was like, yo, guess who I just ran into. 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:38.000 And I was like, oh, Kobe right, And he was like, no, serious, 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.480 How did you know that? I was like the fuck 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.399 out of here. You didn't run into no Kobe. It's like, yeah, 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.160 I'm at Disneyland and I just I just ran into 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.600 Kobe and I said something to him. You said something 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:50.919 to Kobe. I was like, what you say? I was like, uh, 0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.439 my boy, Gilbertorenas is gonna He's gonna kick your ass 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.440 and just sees you. And he was like a Gilbert 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.279 Areenas from the Warriors. He's like, yeah, that's my boy. 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:06.200 He's gonna tear you up. He's like yeah, if he 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.120 ever gets off the bench, WHOA. And I was like, 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.839 why would you ever say he knew who I was? 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.400 He like he said my name. He's like, yeah, he 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.520 said today, he said you was on the bitch And 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.959 I was like, wow, he knows me. Like I didn't. 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.440 I didn't care about the disc or nothing. Just he 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:30.400 knows me. Kobe Bryant knows me. But that kind of 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.680 put like the the fire in me to like really 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:37.800 start working out and really started training. Like if Kobe 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:41.839 knows me, man, that's that. That means everything. So like 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:45.160 whenever I played against the Lakers, it was just this 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.960 this this automatic like great game. It was like I'm 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.400 automatically on fire. So I remember even my my first 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.720 best game in preseason, my best game in preseason against 0:45:55.760 --> 0:46:00.360 the Lakers in Bakersfield, my best game as a rookie 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:04.359 against the Lakers, my best game, well not my best 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:06.080 game in my second year, but you know, one of 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.279 my better games was against the Lakers. The last game 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:12.759 of the season. So you know, leading up to the 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:18.160 sixty pointer, I was probably averaging about twenty nine to 0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:22.239 thirty two on the Lakers already for my career. So 0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:25.839 it was just it just seemed like just a normal game. 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:30.880 You know, Kobe's gonna try his his mental battle with me, 0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:33.880 which he did. Started off the game saying, all right, 0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:37.880 I've got Gilbert, I'm gonna shut him down. Smith's Parker, 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.239 you go to the Sean Stevenson. So I was like, 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:44.280 all right, hey, Cob got to me one four flat. 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.640 Forget the first couple of plays, right, just to let 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:49.880 him know it's about to be one of those games. 0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:52.439 So you know, I start off on fire, We're going 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:55.640 back and forth, and it was just everything was just clicking. 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.040 I didn't even know I had sixty, to be honest, 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:02.000 until until the announcer said it. I thought, you guys, 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.120 I thought, like, so you guys were talking to you. 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.960 I thought that Luke Walton was the messenger for you 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:09.080 guys to talk ship to each other. And how did 0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:11.239 this come about? I know, you guys played together and 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:14.000 you know what was going on on this Arizona boys, 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:15.800 and now he's a Laker with Kobe so he was 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:20.759 a messenger. Yes, so Luke Luke Walton was. He was 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:25.200 the go between. He was always the go between every game, 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.640 which kind of got me hyped. That that that kind 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:32.360 of got me hyped. When Ludolf Luke Walton always said, Uh, yeah, 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:34.719 Kobe's gonna tell he's gonna stop you, I was like, 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.160 he's not gonna stop me if he if he sticks me, 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:39.680 I'm going one for a flat. And then what added 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:42.359 to the fuel was Koran coming to the team. Well, 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:45.319 he also and and Karan played with the Lakers and 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:48.719 then he goes to play with you, and I read 0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:50.920 something somewhere where he said he preferred playing with you 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:55.959 because he didn't have to think about shooting the basketball. Yeah, 0:47:56.000 --> 0:48:00.239 you know, he just should just tell stories about you know, 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:03.760 Kobe was always open. He was always open. There's no 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:06.200 triple team, double team. He was always open. So every 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:11.480 time he got the ball, he always And so when 0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:13.920 you get the ball, you're already looking because you hear 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:18.440 the sound. You know, he'll make sounds like he's open 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:21.480 for you to swing the ball to him. So he said, 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.080 you never felt comfortable when you got the ball because 0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:29.040 Kobe was already screaming for So this game is fun too, because, uh, 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:33.080 Kwame Brown, same draft as you. He's picked first overall, 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:37.720 you're pick thirty first, right, you guys are playing against 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:39.680 each other. He's on the Lakers in this game with 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:46.000 Kobe Yep, did you guys already hate each other? No? Really, no, No, 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.239 I didn't like it was it was one of those 0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:52.160 things that he was. He got traded to the other team. 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.920 You know, we moved we moved on. It was like, 0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:58.480 I didn't know we had a problem to it was 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:03.120 a twenty twenty one. I did not know we had 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:08.000 a problem from it. So I guess back in two 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:19.719 thousand and four, we're in the playoffs. I don't want 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:23.319 to say it's jealousy, but it clearly is. You know, 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:26.080 he was the number one pick in Washington. Michael Jordan 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.800 comes back, you know, takes a little bit of his shine. 0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:33.359 Also took a lot of pressure off of him. When 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:38.000 Jordan leaves here, I come, you know, I come, I 0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:42.000 come in. Now you know, off that sixty five million 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.560 dollar contract, I'm the highest paid player in the draft 0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:48.759 now in our draft, so I'm one notch above the 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.839 number one pick. Now you know I won the first 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:55.400 award in the draft. So, you know, we had a 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:57.960 we had a decent first year together. You know, I 0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:01.160 was heard, you know, the offense was you know, different 0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:06.520 for everyone. Our second year together, he's he didn't start 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:08.319 the season with us. He was hurt, broke his foot 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.880 in the summer right before training camp. So Antoine Jamison 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:17.520 uh gets traded to us during that summer. So me 0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:20.800 and Antoine are back together. Me, Antoine and Larry back together. 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:25.680 Who who were my veterans in Golden State. So we 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:29.640 were moving. So by the time Kwame comes back, he's 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.319 not part of the rotation. He's not really you know, 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:36.480 he don't have the offense down. He's out of shape. 0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:39.520 He's trying to figure this out. But in the meantime, 0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.000 the crowd don't care about none of that, so they're 0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:44.920 booing them, you know, at home, they're just booing them. 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:49.200 So he didn't really feel comfortable playing at home, you know. 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.040 Towards the end of the season, you know, we're trying 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.160 to figure out what our lineup's going to be. He never, 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:57.239 he never, he never actually started. He never got his 0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:01.160 starting position back. Jared Jefferies basically seal that. So going 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:07.480 into the playoffs. We started off playing in Chicago. We 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:11.759 dropped O two. I go to the papers. Please do 0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:15.360 not boot Kwame Brown. We need all of our booze 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:21.640 to be towards the visitors, towards Chicago. I know, but 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:23.239 I love it. I love it. I love it. We 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.080 all love that they booted us out of this. You know, 0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:27.960 they booed us out of the arena. We didn't need 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:33.440 this negativity, you know, we didn't need it. So coach 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:37.799 decided that he was going to play Eton first, which 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:44.000 which was the backup the backup, backup center is playing well, 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:48.680 you know, basically his best game of his career was 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.319 that Game three at home we won. Kwame only played 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.800 three minutes. And then that's where it kind of like ruffled. 0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:59.759 Is while we're doing media, so everyone celebrating. You know, 0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:02.640 you got sugar Foot over there fucking complaining like a 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:07.479 little girl, talking about yet they're not passing me the ball, 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:10.000 and you know it was it got it caught me 0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:12.239 off guard, like passing the ball? Did he even play? 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:13.800 I didn't even play with him? What are you talking about? 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.239 He wasn't even in game with me today, Like I 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.040 didn't I didn't have to I didn't have to pass 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.120 on the ball. And then he said another comment. I 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:21.879 was like, listen, every time we passed him the ball, 0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:24.640 he don't do ship with it, right, you don't. He 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:27.439 don't do ship with it. And then he says something else, 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:30.040 and I said, you know what, we're better without him, 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.440 all right, We're just better a out that dude over there. 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:37.960 And that was our little riff. And he, yeah, he 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:43.080 goes home, he gets drunk, doesn't show up the practice 0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:48.560 the next day. He basically quit. He quit on us. 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.799 He basically trying to put an ultimatum, if Gilbert's playing, 0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:56.680 I'm not gonna play. Uh, I'm the All Star. I 0:52:56.719 --> 0:53:00.799 made the All Star issue. The fucker you talking about 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:06.359 zero zero? That was wrong with him. It was just ridiculous. 0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:10.320 That was just a ridiculous statement. And they're like, all right. 0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:13.719 So he basically quit and then he pulled one of 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:15.760 those you know, I was, you know, I was afraid 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:18.000 to go to practice because if I went to practice, 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:23.640 you know, I was gonna slap somebody. Who's gonna slap me, 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:27.080 Who's gonna slap me? Gonna slap me. But if he 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.040 did try to come slap me out and probably ran. 0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:32.239 Let's be honest, like, you know, he's big. You know, 0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:34.600 he's a really big guy. So I wasn't gonna stand 0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.640 there and be slapped. But you know, he said it, 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.080 and you know I tried to address it, you know, 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:43.520 try to pull the buff, tough guy. And then he apologized. 0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:49.680 I got him to apologize. Oh, I got him to apologize, 0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:53.719 and he said, no, it was the media. The media, 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:56.600 they misconscrewed, you know my words. I didn't say I 0:53:56.600 --> 0:54:00.239 was gonna slap you. And then you know from the mayor. 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:01.880 To be honest, that Game three was the last time 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:04.319 I seen him, you know, because he didn't come back 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:07.400 for the rest of the playoffs, and then we traded 0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.560 him in the summer for Karan and Chucky Ackins. See. 0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:13.799 I grew up a Warriors fan and I remember you 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:16.839 were there. It was you and j Rich, right, yeah, 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:20.839 me j so my first Troy. Now, how come they 0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:22.720 got you out of there? Was there beef beef between 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:26.400 you and Jay Rich? No? No, no, Jay Rich was 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:30.000 Jay Rich was my brother. What happened? Because I was 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:32.680 kicking myself in the head where you become age zero, 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:34.520 I'm like, where the fuck is he? On the Warriors? 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:39.480 What the fuck is this? Yeah, so back then, no 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:44.000 second rounder played past the mid level exception. So the 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.719 most they can pay me was forty nine million, so 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:49.960 they couldn't have They couldn't actually afford me anymore. Okay, 0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:52.279 So because they couldn't afford me, and I didn't want 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:55.480 to do one of those Joe Smith's deals, under those 0:54:55.520 --> 0:55:01.000 one under the table deals, so I I ended up. 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:02.920 You know, they just couldn't They just couldn't match. They 0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:05.880 just couldn't match what Washington and other teams was offering. 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:08.520 So you know, departured. But you know, because of that, 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:12.760 they changed the rule and made a Gilberterenas rule where 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:15.239 if your second round player gets offered more than you 0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:18.440 can afford, then you're allowed to match him without going 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:21.600 over the luxury tax. Jolbert, do you mind just pushing 0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:25.720 your camera a little back, just adjusted a little bit? No? No, no, 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:33.719 oh sorry, hold on. Yeah. So yeah, that's a crazy rule. 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:35.440 I mean it is crazy to think of you as 0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:37.400 a second round pick. I mean you have got to 0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:39.920 be one of the all time steals. You think of 0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:42.120 guys who got picked, who is in the second one? 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:50.560 You Ginobili, Draymond and Jokic Jokic is a big one. Yeah, probably, Yeah, 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:52.920 he's the best. So he's hard with the eurost get 0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:56.839 a real evaluation who they're playing out there, you know, well, 0:55:57.440 --> 0:55:59.839 is like he still looks fat and he's the best 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:03.799 in the NBA. I mean's the MVP twice, you know. 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:07.840 The I to be honest, the NBA draft and the 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:13.360 NFL draft, I just think it's horseshit because you can't 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:23.160 evaluate someone's mental You can't evaluate pure talent instinct, you know, Like, 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:27.440 you know, me running a four to one forty doesn't 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:30.200 mean I can catch the fucking ball. Doesn't mean I 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.040 have quick feet laterally, Like it just doesn't. And same 0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:35.759 thing with basketball. If if I'm a top five pick 0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:39.360 and you never, like I never get to go against 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.480 the other four that's in front of me or other 0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:45.080 guards to really see what my my motor is when 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:48.520 I have competition facing me, then you can you can 0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:51.839 get lost. Some players that has that, it can get 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:55.000 lost in the draft. And they also can't measure that 0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:58.040 little thing that's in you. It's called the dog. They 0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:03.319 can't measure that goddamn fucking dog. Yes, you're right, and 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:05.560 that's and that's why they That's why you know, so 0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:08.480 many great players slip through the draft because they they 0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:11.280 don't have it down to a science. And this dog 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:14.759 was on display this night. First quarter, you start off 0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.720 pretty hot. You have twelve points, six for nine from 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:21.560 the field, three assists. Kobe's only got two. Are you 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:23.640 from that point on are you already feeling like you're 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:26.160 about to have some heat? Are you feeling good or 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:32.520 are you still in that focused mindset? You know usually 0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:36.120 you know, as a score you know, I try to 0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:38.280 break it down in periods, so I don't really get 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:41.240 too fond on how I'm doing in the first period. 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:43.560 It's just you know, I just you know, one layup, 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:46.520 one to three, a free throw, you know, that's usually 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:49.439 my my my, my goal. So I'm not stressing about 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:52.240 scoring or not scoring. So you know, it's like, okay, 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:55.000 first quarter, you know, average quarter, you know, and that's 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:58.800 said nine points is average quarter, Like that's an average quarter, 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:01.000 you know, not a second quart. Order is his own quarter. 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:04.480 So I mean going against the guy like Kobe, who 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:06.160 are the other guys in the league at this point, 0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:08.400 They're like, I want to get up for this game. 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:12.560 I want to show up. Okay, it's not. It's not 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:15.120 that you want to get up. You're gonna have to 0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:21.400 get up. You got Iverson, Yeah, you got got Ai. 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:27.040 You have Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, I mean just the 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:29.840 way he played defense, So you you really had to 0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:34.680 be focused the whole San Antonio Spurs defense. You know, 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:41.120 you know, got you mentally prepared. You know, the young 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:44.760 Chris Paul and Darren Williams. Uh, you know, you never 0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:47.680 get about Darren Williams. He was a big, big, big, 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:53.200 big plaint guard for the most part. That was really 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:58.320 it in my position. Most of those those really hard 0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:02.120 to guard guys with shooting guards, and you know, I 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:05.760 had a different defensive player and DeShawn Stevenson that that 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:10.280 tired himself out on that you scored. I scored. That 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:13.360 was my job. I got paid to score. Yeah, Deshaun 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:16.560 great defender. I mean, I mean you also play with 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:18.760 Larry Hughes. You play with some really great defensive Yeah, 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:21.200 you know, I played with great. I played with great 0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:25.080 you know, great guys that really buckle down on defense. 0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:30.440 So you're going in a halftime, the Wizards are up, 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:33.360 You're you're playing some good ball. What do you think 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:37.040 going in a halftime in a game like this, you 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:40.440 know usually can't sleep on Kobe. Probably you're like, we 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.520 got ten points, we can't sleep on them. Yeah, yea. 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:46.280 With Kobe's usually you have to worry about the second 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.520 half and that fourth quarter because you know those last 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:52.720 five minutes is just all Kobe. So you know, coming 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:56.800 into halftime, you're always mentally, just with any great superstar, 0:59:57.080 --> 1:00:00.200 that if they're not having the first first great hal 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:05.400 be pared, be prepared for a dominant second half. So 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:08.560 you want to have some type of cushion, you know, 1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:12.040 you know going into the fourth quarter, last five minutes. 1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:15.440 So going into the halftime, you know, you know it's 1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:18.240 one of those good half boys. You know, we still 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:22.640 gotta come out there and and and execute, you know, 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:26.840 defensively and offensively. Knowing that you know that that those 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:31.240 last five minutes, you know the Mamba is going to 1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:38.080 be trying to will this team to this victory. So 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:42.480 you come out of half and exactly what you think 1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:46.560 is gonna happen. Kobe starts picking it up. He gets 1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:52.240 sixteen points, you you tally up twelve. You're still balling 1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:54.080 at this point. I mean, I was watching this game 1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.360 because we were we watched it. You were hitting everything 1:00:56.440 --> 1:01:00.360 from that remember that side step, Yeah, free he had 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:02.920 like you were hitting it from every angle. Did you 1:01:03.120 --> 1:01:05.160 know you had to just keep on going, like I'm 1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:07.800 gonna have to hit everything tonight because this joker is 1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:11.360 about to get hot. No, I mean, you know, are 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:14.040 you just playing the game, just just playing a game 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:16.240 at this point, because you know, at this point we're 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:20.120 all playing well as a as a unit. Yeah, Karana 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:24.400 is hitting shots, and Antoine's hitting shots, Brendan Haywood is 1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:26.959 doing this thing. So you know, as a whole unit, 1:01:27.120 --> 1:01:32.400 we're all playing pretty well. So you know, it was 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:36.280 it was still just just a normal It was, you know, 1:01:36.560 --> 1:01:39.600 an above average night. You gotta remember, I'm imaging twenty 1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:43.760 this twenty nine. I imagining twenty nine, so you know 1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:47.600 it's you know, twenty nine is stilled in average night, 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:52.320 that's your average. So you know it's still you know, average, 1:01:52.320 --> 1:01:56.600 a little bit above average going into that fourth quarter. Yeah, 1:01:56.760 --> 1:02:00.960 and uh, and then Kobe kind of shortens. Is he 1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:02.720 talking ship while he's doing this to you? Is he 1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:05.840 sending you messages through Luke Walton? Is anything coming your 1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:10.680 way from him? No? So he did. He did try 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:15.560 to bait me, and the bait was, so you're just 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:18.880 the one sided player. Huh. So, so wont you guard 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:22.040 me like I'm guarding you so you can put me 1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:25.160 in a post? Why would I want to just sit 1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:27.600 in the post the whole fucking gait like, you know, 1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:29.600 I'm not a post offender, like, because that's what he 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.240 wanted to do. He wanted to beat me up in 1:02:31.280 --> 1:02:33.600 the post so he can tire me on the post, 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:35.360 so I don't have no offense. So I said, noah, no, 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:37.920 thank you, right, and then I did get on him 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:40.800 one time, and obviously he scored, and I was like, 1:02:41.000 --> 1:02:44.760 you know, DeShawn, that's that's your duty, Brom, I'm gonna 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:47.360 tire him out on this part, you know, and on 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:49.720 this side of the court. So that was the only 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:52.880 thing he really said. So, Kobe trying to bait you 1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:56.000 in and you have a shot. Were you pissed you 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:58.320 had that shot to hit that buzzer or are you 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:00.680 thinking I'm getting more I'm gonna get that stat. I'm 1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:04.040 gonna pad them stats even more now. No, you know 1:03:05.280 --> 1:03:10.520 you had that buzzer. I thought I did too, Like, yeah, 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:14.000 this is it game winner? Like game winner in l 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:17.880 a because I had about two hundred tickets. You're from there. Yeah, 1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:21.040 so I had all my high school, my high school 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:24.120 basketball JV. Varsity, you know, b's and c's. You know. 1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:27.280 My high school coach, Harold Levine, brung the whole, you know, 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:32.919 basically the whole basketball program, you know, to the game. 1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:36.760 So I was like, I'm about to I'm about to 1:03:36.840 --> 1:03:41.440 do this, this is it. And on the pull up, 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:43.040 it just didn't feel right. I don't know if I 1:03:45.360 --> 1:03:48.280 like I hesitated on on on just a natural jump shot, 1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:51.600 thinking he was gonna jump, but I was moving backwards 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:57.880 and just you know, just the angle was off, you know, 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:01.000 so you know, I blew it. It's almost kind of cool. 1:04:01.080 --> 1:04:03.520 It was a great It was a great miss Yeah. Yeah, 1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:06.080 you know you miss it. You're only going to give 1:04:06.120 --> 1:04:11.920 the two hundred people you got tickets for a better show. Yeah, 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:14.080 But listen, when you when you're when you when you're 1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:16.560 on the road and you have a chance to win 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:18.680 that game, you want to just win it right there 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:21.200 for sure. And but I mean, you got through two 1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:24.440 hundred people that you brought, you got Jack Nicholson courtside. 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:26.760 Is it kind of fun to drop sixty and You're 1:04:26.840 --> 1:04:31.040 like American icon right there. This is pretty cool. No, 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:35.160 I mean after after after the game, once I realized 1:04:35.200 --> 1:04:40.200 I had sixty, you know, scoring sixty was the movie Stars. 1:04:40.200 --> 1:04:44.000 At that point did not matter. I scored sixty points 1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:48.080 on Kobe Bryant. That's that's all that registered inside the 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:52.280 inside the brain at that moment. Did you ever ever 1:04:52.400 --> 1:04:55.800 talk to anyone in the crowd, Harry, you ever fuck 1:04:55.840 --> 1:04:57.920 with anyone in the crowd. I remember some dude got 1:04:57.960 --> 1:04:59.880 on my haircut in Philadelphia once and I had to 1:05:00.640 --> 1:05:07.800 It's like, fuck this guy. No, no, no, I used 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:10.800 to I used to talk. I used to talk the crowd. 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:13.960 That was my thing. I used to like. I used 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:16.520 to say, Oh, he's gonna he's he's going to get 1:05:16.560 --> 1:05:19.240 it because of you. He's going to get it because 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:21.200 you paid to see him. He's about to get all 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:24.160 of all of these points. I'm not passing it no more. 1:05:25.600 --> 1:05:34.600 I'll do that. You gotta have that villain, Sorry, Gilbert, 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:36.800 with these your least favorite jerseys to wear it, because 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:39.120 this was a tough error for jerseys. Some of these 1:05:39.480 --> 1:05:45.240 the gold and black, not my favorites. What you like it? 1:05:45.360 --> 1:05:48.080 I was heat you like the man? I was heat. 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:53.120 You guys are gold black in the uniform. I know, 1:05:53.280 --> 1:05:55.720 but it had the stars, It had the stars on 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:58.120 It just made me feel like I'm a star. Every 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:01.680 time I wore that dealers, I don't know, it just 1:06:01.760 --> 1:06:03.760 made it just made me feel good. Every time I 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:09.960 wore that jersey, someone got the ass busted. You did 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:14.000 not want to see me in the gold. So we 1:06:14.080 --> 1:06:16.080 you talked about Kwame. Were there any other players that 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:23.440 you were like, I just don't like this dude. Like teammates, no, 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:26.560 I mean anything, teammates, opponents, anyone we were like, I 1:06:26.640 --> 1:06:28.960 don't I don't like this guy. I want to mess 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:34.720 this dude up on the court. On the court. Yeah, not, no, no, no, nothing. 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:37.480 I never had any personal problems with you know, any 1:06:37.560 --> 1:06:40.520 players on the court. I never took it personal, no 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:43.240 matter how dirty they were. It kind of actually made 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:48.800 me play. Who was the dirtiest believe it or not? 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:52.240 John Stockton, Oh I believe it. He's like a QAnon guy. 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:56.680 What are you talking about? Of course? Dirty? Yeah, Like 1:06:56.760 --> 1:06:58.600 my first two years, I'm like, Yo, this dude is 1:06:58.640 --> 1:07:03.120 just dirty player. Bro's just he's just dirty, Like like 1:07:03.240 --> 1:07:05.760 he pull he'll pull you elbow you knee, you like, 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:07.400 he do all of them. He did all of that. 1:07:08.720 --> 1:07:11.160 The short shorts were just a disguise to get your 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:13.800 mind off of how dirty he was. Yeah he was. 1:07:13.920 --> 1:07:15.520 I was like, oh my god, I'm glad I didn't 1:07:15.520 --> 1:07:17.720 play in the eighties. This is this is this is 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:22.840 not it's not basketball right here? Who else was dirty? 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:31.080 Who else was a dirty player? Usually it was more 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:37.280 bigs like like Reggie Evans, uh, players like that. Guards 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:44.200 weren't listen most players. Most players that just were were 1:07:44.360 --> 1:07:47.360 just not very good. Skilled players were usually the dirty 1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:52.720 players like Bruce Boyn was considered the dirty player. But 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:55.520 try hard guys didn't. It didn't. It didn't work on me. 1:07:55.720 --> 1:07:59.600 It didn't that his his waight of what two o five, 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:04.040 you know, like him, Roger Bill, like the stuff they 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:06.280 were doing with Kobe. They didn't really I didn't. I 1:08:06.320 --> 1:08:10.439 didn't really get that treatment. Well, you finished the game. 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:13.919 I mean you were clearly on our tests, our test 1:08:15.680 --> 1:08:18.519 metaworld piece. He was at the comedy show this weekend, 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:19.960 and I was like, I was like, oh shit, run 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:21.640 our tests in the crowd. But he came to the 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:24.920 late show, so I was hammered. So I flubbed the opener, 1:08:25.000 --> 1:08:27.040 and I was like, fuck, I'm bombing for run our tests. 1:08:27.600 --> 1:08:30.360 I turned it around, but I was like, man, bomber. 1:08:31.640 --> 1:08:34.880 So you go out and you outscore Kobe. Sixty points 1:08:35.400 --> 1:08:39.360 are sixteen in overtime. He only has four legendary game 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:42.720 you find out you have sixty. There's there's some talk 1:08:42.840 --> 1:08:45.519 that was there. Did you guys have a phone call 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:48.400 after this? Did he call you or something? Or am 1:08:48.439 --> 1:08:53.240 I just getting terrible info? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. So so 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:57.519 what ends up happening is so when we go into 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:00.479 locker room, you know, I'm all excited, right, you know, 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:04.080 I scored sixty points on Kobe and coach says yeah, 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:06.040 and we want to get He's like, and we won 1:09:06.120 --> 1:09:11.200 the game. I said, man, fuck that game, Kobe. Do 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:14.120 you really think I cared about the game winning the game? No, 1:09:14.400 --> 1:09:17.719 I just scored sixty on Kobe. So everybody's laughing and stuff, 1:09:17.760 --> 1:09:21.600 and we're getting on the bus and some of the 1:09:23.840 --> 1:09:25.840 some of what he said came out like, oh, he 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.519 had no conscious, he doesn't have a conscious. So I 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:31.200 changed my name to I don't have a conscious. And 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:37.160 then Karan gets on the phone and we're just jab 1:09:37.400 --> 1:09:39.960 going back and forth. Oh, We're just going back and forth. 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:43.400 And and I remember Brendan Hay was say, telling you 1:09:43.479 --> 1:09:46.680 the mongoose, you tell that man, I'm the black mongoose 1:09:50.080 --> 1:09:54.640 because I guess I guess that's the rival, the mongoose 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:57.479 and the mamba. No one knows this, but the mongoose 1:09:57.520 --> 1:09:59.960 will fuck a mamba up. Dude. They also have good 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:03.400 Have you watched YouTube video YouTube of video of a 1:10:03.479 --> 1:10:07.600 mongoose versus a snake. The mongoose wins, dude, Yeah, but 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:10.120 what's so funny. It's like that is like the equal 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:12.799 like so it's like a fifty to fifty battle between 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.200 the two. So when I I yelled out, He's like, 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:17.160 all right, we'll see, I'll be I'll be there when 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:18.880 I come there. Have that same energy, have that same 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:22.960 energy when I come there. But yeah, I will. Would 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:26.200 you have rather will? Would you rather have dropped eighty 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:35.880 with an l against the Lakers and Kobe eight eighty eighty? Yeah? 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:39.000 I mean it's it's Kobe Bryan. I probably you know 1:10:39.240 --> 1:10:44.320 it's it's like scoring four touchdowns, five touchdowns. I'm like, yeah, 1:10:47.160 --> 1:10:50.519 you know, bragging, right, So I'll take the listen, I'll 1:10:50.520 --> 1:10:52.800 take the eighty points and the loss because I know 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:55.080 that eighty points is going to irritate him the rest 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:59.920 of his life. Is this the is this? Was this 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:04.160 your most Was this your favorite game of your career? No? 1:11:05.120 --> 1:11:08.720 Which one of my favorite game was? It was two 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:13.599 games later. It was in Phoenix when I dropped fifty four. 1:11:14.840 --> 1:11:18.320 You were hot. I remember you got on a hot streak. Yeah, 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:23.920 So with that, it was more impersonal thing because if 1:11:23.960 --> 1:11:26.960 you watch the Redeem Team, you'll you'll see glimpse of 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:30.800 me in it. I was I was number ten, and 1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:38.479 I felt that because this was a Nike event, I 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:41.679 thought they were kind of like biased against Adida players. 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:48.120 So you know, I wasn't fairly judged in my mind, 1:11:48.120 --> 1:11:50.240 because you know, I was part of the second unit, 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:52.000 and I was the best player in the second unit. 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:54.960 Like I did everything for the second unit, Like the 1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:57.639 only reason we competed with the with the first unit 1:11:57.800 --> 1:12:01.080 was because of me. Like if we won games against 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:04.120 the first unit, it was because of me. Like they 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:06.920 just Kirk Heinrich and Bruce boy and and just gave 1:12:06.960 --> 1:12:09.479 me the ball and let me just camera that unit. 1:12:10.640 --> 1:12:12.720 It was basically like a one man It was a 1:12:12.880 --> 1:12:16.519 one man wrecking show against the starting unit. Who else 1:12:16.600 --> 1:12:19.880 is on that lineup? Who who are the bigs and 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:23.439 on my team? I had Antoine Jamison, I had Brad Miller, 1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:31.080 I had Shane Daddy A. I might have had Bosh 1:12:31.200 --> 1:12:32.640 with me, but I don't think I had Bosher. I 1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:35.320 think Boscher was on that side. Joe Johnson was on 1:12:35.400 --> 1:12:39.240 that side, Chris Paul was on that side. So I hadn't. Yeah, 1:12:39.320 --> 1:12:42.439 you see, you see where someone like me is in heaven. 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:51.240 So yeah, I they told me that I'm on the 1:12:51.280 --> 1:12:53.960 bubble of making the team because I pulled my groin, 1:12:55.240 --> 1:12:59.360 you know, slight pool. So I was nervous, and I 1:12:59.439 --> 1:13:00.800 was like, you know, I don't and this I was. 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:03.160 I was being polite, I was being a real teammate. 1:13:03.200 --> 1:13:05.680 I was like, you know, I think I pulled my 1:13:05.800 --> 1:13:09.040 growing and I don't want to hold up a position 1:13:09.800 --> 1:13:12.320 for someone else to make this That's how cocky I was. 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:14.479 Now for someone else to make this team, because I 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:16.840 don't know how long I'm gonna be out or this 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:20.080 is going to be lingering. And uh, Clanjo was like, Oh, 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:27.600 don't worry, You're on a bubble anyway, yeah, uh uh okay, 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:34.120 all right, Oh okay, I'm out of here. That was 1:13:34.200 --> 1:13:40.880 the shortest flight I've ever had. The derage of what 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:44.400 he said, like, I'm on, I'm on a bubble. You 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:48.000 got Shane Batty on that team, Bruce Bowen's on that team, 1:13:48.040 --> 1:13:50.400 and I'm on, I'm on a bubble. I'm the only 1:13:50.520 --> 1:13:54.360 two time All NBA player on that team and I'm 1:13:54.439 --> 1:13:56.880 on the bubble. That's all. I was just running through 1:13:56.920 --> 1:13:59.559 my head the whole time. And I remember I went 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:03.800 to mcmannimon and he was my ghost writer at the 1:14:03.840 --> 1:14:06.880 time for my blog, and I remember I went to 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:14.600 him and right before was it was it Greece? No? 1:14:17.640 --> 1:14:19.000 Was it was it Grease who he lost to in 1:14:19.080 --> 1:14:25.040 two thousand and six? No name, So right before they 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:28.960 lost the Argentina, So right before the game. So I 1:14:29.040 --> 1:14:31.120 did the article. It was just a straight it was 1:14:31.479 --> 1:14:34.680 a straight Tupac moment. You know, I'm going to you know, 1:14:34.960 --> 1:14:36.559 if I can go back to college. I was scoring 1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:38.880 like sixty on Coach K. You know when I when 1:14:38.920 --> 1:14:41.400 we played the Blazers. When we play the Suns, I'm 1:14:41.439 --> 1:14:45.519 scoring fifty against them. And I also said in the 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:48.559 article you can ask Day, I said, the way coach 1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:52.439 K is running his lineup they're not winning gold, right, 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:55.959 They're not winning gold. Because he had all the shooters 1:14:56.040 --> 1:14:59.520 on the bench and had all the drivers and slashers 1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:02.280 that you know in the starting lineup, which made the 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:08.920 court congested for them. And then right before the game, 1:15:09.160 --> 1:15:11.320 right before he was gonna like air it, I said, 1:15:11.360 --> 1:15:12.800 you know, just take that part out. I don't want 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:14.719 to be that guy. I don't want to be that guy. 1:15:15.640 --> 1:15:18.160 But everyone just hates because I said that, you know, 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:20.320 So he took he took it out. And then I 1:15:20.360 --> 1:15:22.160 remember in the morning, I woke up and said, Yo, 1:15:22.240 --> 1:15:27.120 they lost. I was like ooh, I said, I hope 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:29.920 this never gets out that I said that. So when 1:15:30.000 --> 1:15:34.439 we when we went to Phoenix, fifty's on my mind everyone, 1:15:34.560 --> 1:15:36.880 the whole team though y'all, y'all ain't get y'all are 1:15:36.920 --> 1:15:39.559 not getting the ball. Okay, don't even ask for the ball. 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:42.160 Don't look for the ball if you're open, and I 1:15:42.280 --> 1:15:45.479 missed you it was on purpose. Okay, fifty is in 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:48.360 my brain tonight, so everyone knew. I was tuned in. 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:54.080 We're in layup line. We're in layup line, and I 1:15:54.160 --> 1:15:59.920 got my mad face on, like yeah, and then Tony says, hey, 1:16:00.280 --> 1:16:05.240 arenas you're gonna need more than fifty to beat us. 1:16:06.560 --> 1:16:09.040 So at this point, they're in an eighteen game winning streak. 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:11.800 So they're in an eighteen game winning streak, and they're 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:15.840 the number one team in the NBA at the point. 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:19.040 So when he said that, I was like, don't worry, 1:16:19.120 --> 1:16:22.519 I will I'm gonna score more than fifty. Then went 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:26.240 out there had fifty four and one. That was like, 1:16:27.240 --> 1:16:29.240 you know, like that was a cool Suns team too. 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:34.160 I mean that was the fast paced Nashamari Sean Marion. 1:16:34.840 --> 1:16:38.280 I mean that that was a tough team. Yeah, that 1:16:38.400 --> 1:16:41.000 team was. I mean, you know, the runoff eighteen games, 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:44.439 you know, just let you know how like mentally focused 1:16:44.479 --> 1:16:47.960 that team was, how together they were. That's just really 1:16:48.080 --> 1:16:52.559 hard to do in the NBA. You know, ten games 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:56.160 is ten games. Fucking five games is hard. Let alone, 1:16:56.520 --> 1:16:59.720 you know, eighteen games. It just means you're not you're 1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:02.400 really dowed in as a unit, and you're learning how 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:05.880 to win games you don't supposed to win, like you know, 1:17:06.080 --> 1:17:08.800 like the fourth game in five nights, you know, you know, 1:17:09.200 --> 1:17:12.160 scheduled losses, like games like that you're supposed to lose, 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:14.200 and the fact that you know a team like that 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:17.080 was running off eighteen game winning streaks was just amazing. 1:17:18.479 --> 1:17:21.080 Had life change for all silly Gilly after you hit 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:24.160 sixty and then fifty four? Was did life change? Did 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:26.599 you have an uptick? What was going on? Every you're 1:17:26.640 --> 1:17:30.000 getting video game covered? I mean, what's going on? That 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:33.600 was a rock star baby like I was. It was 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:37.320 like a rock You couldn't you couldn't tell me nothing. 1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:42.720 I even put in a rule with the team. It was. 1:17:43.200 --> 1:17:45.720 It wasn't a hard rule, but it was. It was 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:49.160 a rule, if you don't make five million dollars, do 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:53.160 not talk to me directly. I am a superstar. Now, well, Gilbert, 1:17:53.240 --> 1:17:56.639 this interview was over. It was it was like talk 1:17:56.720 --> 1:17:59.719 to someone who makes five million. If they make five million, 1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:03.840 then they relate a message. Walton, Yeah, so it was. 1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:06.000 It was one of those where you know, at that time, 1:18:06.120 --> 1:18:09.040 we were just all just we were just all as 1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:13.400 a unit, just having fun. Like we felt like like real, 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:17.679 like there's some teams you're on and you're NBA team, 1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:20.599 but you don't feel like an NBA team. We felt 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:23.719 like we were an NBA team. Like we were going 1:18:23.800 --> 1:18:27.439 places there's there's people standing outside and you know, waiting 1:18:27.640 --> 1:18:31.120 for you. You know, it's like we're we made it. 1:18:31.280 --> 1:18:34.360 We're We're to the point where I'm famous enough to 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:37.320 have people wait at two in the morning. We got 1:18:37.360 --> 1:18:39.800 a problem to stay focused. I mean, you have this 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:43.240 celebrity now and you is a team going out and 1:18:43.320 --> 1:18:47.600 partying too much because you because you can. You know, 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:50.599 there's just certain cities you're gonna party in no matter what. Miami, 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:59.080 you know, some guys go to Houston, Atlanta, La, New York, Boston. 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:03.120 You know, you're gonna find your hot spots to party 1:19:03.200 --> 1:19:05.200 and just let some air, you know, let your your 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:07.080 hair down, especially if you have like a day off 1:19:07.160 --> 1:19:10.320 or something. But you have your party bowl. You have 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:12.599 your party boys, you have your dinner guys, and then 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:15.200 you have your you know, sit in the room movie guys. 1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:17.000 You know, you have a little bit of it. Got 1:19:17.000 --> 1:19:19.760 your strip club guys. You know, so you got you 1:19:19.880 --> 1:19:22.760 got your team doing what it does at a very 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:26.519 high level. What guy were you day before the game? 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:28.680 I was to sit in the room, order you know, 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:33.680 room service and watch moviestimes. You diversify what kind of 1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:36.160 guy you were. You know, sometimes you were strip club guy, 1:19:36.200 --> 1:19:39.560 maybe right, not not the day before the game. Like, 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:45.280 so it was I think I I learned a habit 1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:49.240 from Magic Johnson. He said it. He was like, yeah, 1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:52.080 I don't. I don't have sex the night before the game. 1:19:52.439 --> 1:19:54.720 Like I thought that was a real thing. So I'm oh, 1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:57.280 that's what Magic Johnson does. That's what I'm gonna do, 1:19:57.479 --> 1:19:59.080 you know what I mean. So you you have these 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:01.360 little things that you put in your brain that you 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:05.880 heard from superstars, right, and you you know, you try 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:08.400 to implement him in your life. So during the season, 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:10.320 I was like, you know what, this is the season. 1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:12.439 This is when I need to be focused. So I'm 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:14.400 only going to go out two times this year. So 1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:18.280 whoever's birthday is popping, I'm going to that one. The 1:20:18.360 --> 1:20:20.760 rest of y'all can just basically for off. You're, by 1:20:20.800 --> 1:20:23.880 the way, the first guest to use Magic Johnson as 1:20:24.080 --> 1:20:26.880 sex advice as a reference on this podcast. No one's 1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:30.680 done that ever. Also, I mean he must have if 1:20:30.680 --> 1:20:32.000 he didn't do it before a game, he must have 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:34.400 put like two or three up on off days or something. 1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:36.960 He was a machine. Come on, you heard that, right? 1:20:37.240 --> 1:20:39.759 You heard him say that before. I've never heard that. Nineties. 1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:42.560 I remember in the in the show this week. But 1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:46.360 that's all I heard in the showtime book. I remember 1:20:46.640 --> 1:20:49.760 he loaned his car to a teammate and the car 1:20:49.880 --> 1:20:51.800 lit on fire and blew up, and he didn't even 1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:53.400 care about the car, but he was mad that a 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:56.120 girl's number was in the glove compartment. That's how much 1:20:56.200 --> 1:20:59.000 ass magic got in the eighties. Wow, I mean that 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:01.120 was before the apps. Couldn't just you know, you have 1:21:01.479 --> 1:21:04.800 to have a number. But you know how like the A. C. 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:07.800 Green stories, he didn't have sex until he got Like 1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:10.160 those are the things that you know, when you're a kid, 1:21:10.320 --> 1:21:12.759 you listen to and you're like, this is what makes 1:21:12.880 --> 1:21:17.000 these guys great. We got to ask you because we 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:20.120 had Shane Baddier on this podcast actually, and we talked 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:28.720 about the Duke Arizona game. Straight trash, straight trash, bro, Yeah, 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:32.560 what was what's your relation like with Shane? You know 1:21:33.160 --> 1:21:35.240 you were hurt that game, right, you were hurt? I was, 1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:38.720 I was hurt. I just hate all duke players, Like 1:21:38.800 --> 1:21:40.960 it's just one of those things that you just if 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:43.240 they came from Duke, you just naturally just hate them. 1:21:45.560 --> 1:21:48.000 And he was on a team that that defeated us. 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:51.800 He was you know he was a great leader. You know, 1:21:52.360 --> 1:21:57.240 he he willed that team with his leadership. You know that, 1:21:57.720 --> 1:22:00.680 and the refs helped, but you know he was a 1:22:00.720 --> 1:22:02.960 great He was a great leader for that that dude team. 1:22:03.280 --> 1:22:06.120 Now did that? Did Coach k come try to mentor 1:22:06.240 --> 1:22:11.280 you guys after you guys lost to them? Because he 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:14.280 was known to like go into losing teams like locker 1:22:14.400 --> 1:22:16.080 room and say, hey, guys, I just want to say, 1:22:16.160 --> 1:22:19.160 you guys had a great game, great game plan versus us, 1:22:19.560 --> 1:22:22.800 and you all are extraordinary young men. No, no, I 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:25.880 don't think he was coming into the the Luke Walton 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:30.639 idols and locker room, you know, making that type of speech. Yeah, 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:34.240 so Richard Jefferson said that you're the best player ever 1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:37.080 to come out of Arizona. Do you think he's right? No, 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:40.960 that's no cap, that's facts, yeah, no doubt no, no, no, 1:22:41.000 --> 1:22:44.040 no cap. And I only played two years and and 1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:46.640 and you know I was the best. I was the 1:22:46.760 --> 1:22:48.960 best player that ever played for that team, because you 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:53.000 got to remember I played with four all McDonald players, 1:22:53.040 --> 1:22:55.880 and I led the team to scoring. If is a 1:22:55.960 --> 1:22:58.760 really good team. If I didn't have three of them, 1:22:59.120 --> 1:23:03.479 I would have led the nation and scoring every year. Now, Gilly, 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:05.200 did you did you take a pay cut for the 1:23:05.240 --> 1:23:13.360 first couple of years when you left Arizona. Oh, well, 1:23:13.400 --> 1:23:15.479 they can't do nothing to me now. It felt like 1:23:16.080 --> 1:23:21.920 it felt like it. It really felt like it, because 1:23:23.040 --> 1:23:25.400 it's not like we were getting paid from the school. 1:23:25.479 --> 1:23:29.320 And I didn't get any money from the school to boosters. Yeah, 1:23:29.640 --> 1:23:33.960 not even not even boosters. It's the everyday people like 1:23:34.080 --> 1:23:37.320 you know, if I'm going to Sonics, you know, you know, 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:40.280 the managers like milon as you play for Arizona, You're 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:42.880 guild of arenas, Like I'm going to the mall. It's 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:45.280 all nuts, don't worry about or here's a big discount, 1:23:45.479 --> 1:23:48.120 you know. So it was just the city itself of Tucson, 1:23:48.920 --> 1:23:51.719 you know, just looking out for you know, the players, 1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:54.559 and making sure that you know, we know you guys 1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:57.280 can't get jobs or get paid, so we're gonna as 1:23:57.320 --> 1:23:59.560 a community, we're going to help you guys out. So 1:24:00.240 --> 1:24:02.840 I didn't really pay for anything. It didn't say and 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:04.800 you guys didn't get paid when you're making the school 1:24:04.880 --> 1:24:07.439 money like that. The Florida football guys that I played 1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:09.960 with for a long time, they were always complaining about 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:12.519 the pay cuts, so it never happened at ken State. 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:16.560 I went to a shitty school. Do you think this 1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:19.120 game is Richard Jefferson's fault because I've heard you say 1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:29.200 that before, yes, like like no, listen, he doesn't think so, 1:24:29.400 --> 1:24:32.040 because he had his best game of a tournament, right, 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:35.679 it was his best game of a tournament. I really 1:24:36.120 --> 1:24:42.519 I'm really like disappointed with how they draft and how 1:24:42.600 --> 1:24:45.120 did he make the lottery or right after the lottery 1:24:45.400 --> 1:24:49.639 when he averaged ten points all three years of college 1:24:50.280 --> 1:24:53.679 exactly ten? Like he didn't move up, like he didn't 1:24:53.680 --> 1:24:57.840 get better. So how did this guy become a lottery pick? 1:24:58.120 --> 1:25:00.960 So because he had a his best game of his career. 1:25:01.040 --> 1:25:04.840 But the guy who was guarding also had the best 1:25:04.960 --> 1:25:09.880 game of his tournament life, dune Leavy. Dun' leavy was 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:15.519 having a horrible tournament and he goes off like dun 1:25:15.640 --> 1:25:19.880 Leavy literally beat us that game three straight three is right? Yeah, 1:25:20.960 --> 1:25:24.120 fell like ten, fell like ten. We got to get 1:25:24.160 --> 1:25:28.280 back to the sixty point game. We you know our 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:31.400 podcast his name is Games of Names. What do we 1:25:31.520 --> 1:25:40.960 name this game? Which we name it? Hm? Hm the 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:48.599 speed limit? I hit the speed limit on him? Speed 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:50.280 lib Well, I mean there is, I mean there is. 1:25:50.360 --> 1:25:54.040 The speed limit on the freeway is sixty, right, sixty five, 1:25:54.160 --> 1:25:56.960 some places seventy and others, but a lot of places sixty, 1:25:57.120 --> 1:26:00.400 I do believe. Yeah, Okay, see there you go right there. 1:26:00.520 --> 1:26:02.800 You can never hit sixty in LA though. The cars 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:07.360 never moved, And that's why it's called the speedlight speed 1:26:08.200 --> 1:26:10.519 so much goddamn traffic out there. You ain't going sixty 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:15.599 unless you unless you're agent zero. Yeah. See, it's hard 1:26:15.640 --> 1:26:18.000 to do. That's why only two people has done it. 1:26:18.640 --> 1:26:25.439 Me and what Chamberlain will the still what did we 1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:27.920 miss anything about this game or about just this time 1:26:28.280 --> 1:26:32.360 in the NBA? You know, I mean, it's just one 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:35.960 of those times where when you look at today's game 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:45.920 and you're saying it's a faster game. When we had 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:48.800 an era where you have a guy who have thirty five, 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:52.880 a guy who have a thirty three, thirty one, and 1:26:53.000 --> 1:26:58.080 I'm at I'm fourth in scoring at twenty nine. This 1:26:58.240 --> 1:27:02.880 is almost this is what's fifteen years ago, and we're 1:27:02.960 --> 1:27:08.680 in a faster paced game today. It lets you know, 1:27:08.720 --> 1:27:11.479 I mean, it lets you know like something, something's not 1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:15.600 really adding up a lot of three balls just a 1:27:15.640 --> 1:27:20.240 lot of three balls? Is that up? Yeah? It's who 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:25.120 do you like? Now? I like a little bit of everybody, 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:28.560 you know, I don't really have favorite, you know, so 1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:33.920 I like, you know, Job like Luca Joker, Tatum Brown, 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:42.799 you know, of course, Kyrie, Katie, Lebron, Curry, Love Booker 1:27:42.920 --> 1:27:49.040 over there, Trey Young, Game letterc h basically all the superstars, 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:53.920 just you know, just you know Ben Simmons, you know, 1:27:54.400 --> 1:27:58.120 I just I like the way he plays the game. 1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:03.600 And yeah, he just doesn't do what he can't do. 1:28:04.920 --> 1:28:06.600 If he can't do it, he's not gonna do it 1:28:06.680 --> 1:28:09.960 no matter, you know. Like I would love playing with 1:28:10.040 --> 1:28:12.200 a guy who who really don't want to shoot like that, 1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:14.320 you know, a guy who's just gonna get me the 1:28:14.360 --> 1:28:21.200 ball the whole time. Like you're like, dude, you're an 1:28:21.240 --> 1:28:23.439 NBA player. Should he's his form. It's like weird when 1:28:23.479 --> 1:28:25.160 a guy like that his form looks right and he 1:28:25.280 --> 1:28:28.439 just doesn't ever take it. You know. I was so funny. 1:28:28.600 --> 1:28:34.400 I've watched him train weeks of it and he's a 1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:39.320 good shooter, Like he's he's actually a good shoot. Like 1:28:39.400 --> 1:28:42.360 I sat there and and just watch him, and I'm 1:28:42.400 --> 1:28:44.320 like I'm looking at his phone and looking at his feet, 1:28:44.360 --> 1:28:46.600 and I'm like, what the hell's going on with you? 1:28:46.840 --> 1:28:50.880 Like why isn't it translating to the game. And I 1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:56.040 don't know if you have this in football, but there's 1:28:56.160 --> 1:29:02.120 just certain type of players that just can't shoot, and 1:29:02.240 --> 1:29:06.719 it's because of their speed. They're too fast. I don't 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:09.240 it sounds like a weird thing. Well, it's like catching 1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:11.599 the ball fast. It's like catching the ball. Some guys 1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:13.799 are too fast to catch the ball. Their eyes are bouncing, 1:29:13.840 --> 1:29:17.280 they can't concentrate in a high pressure situation and they're 1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:20.040 white ass open, but they're running so fast, arms up. 1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:22.639 They don't catch the ball. They don't. It's a focus factor. 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:25.920 It's tough. You get the yes. Sometimes, you know, confidence 1:29:26.000 --> 1:29:28.479 goes a long way and catch let them or in 1:29:28.600 --> 1:29:32.800 shooting that was like you always had like you know, 1:29:32.840 --> 1:29:36.120 everyone drops the ball. And then sometimes you're like, damn, 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:39.120 that fucks up your confidence. You got to get out 1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:41.240 of that. You know. It's like anything, but you gotta 1:29:41.240 --> 1:29:43.920 you gotta be able to shake shit off. Yeah. So, 1:29:44.080 --> 1:29:45.160 like like if you look at it, if you go 1:29:45.240 --> 1:29:47.360 like through history, like you look at Jason Kidd, right, 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:51.840 super fast, couldn't shoot you got, you know, your Westbrooker. 1:29:52.040 --> 1:29:55.000 You have the shoot at the end, at the at 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:58.519 the end of his career, kid On once they slowed down. 1:29:59.680 --> 1:30:01.960 Se when you're when you're taking that speed and you're 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:04.360 going and you're letting your engine go and trying to 1:30:04.600 --> 1:30:09.200 stop and pull up a jumper doesn't work with you know. 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:11.960 So you got the Ben Simmons, you got Westbrook, and 1:30:12.000 --> 1:30:14.839 that's their problem. They have too much speed and torque. 1:30:15.200 --> 1:30:17.439 So when they're trying to stop, it just messes up everything. 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:20.120 So Westbrook shot has gotten worse. I think over time, 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:23.760 right like that is the I felt like he was 1:30:23.840 --> 1:30:26.800 making a great stride around and when he was in 1:30:26.880 --> 1:30:30.280 ok see those those that third fourth year pulling up 1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:33.680 that mid range jumper, that little mid range jumper. It 1:30:33.800 --> 1:30:36.799 was like hitting consistently, and then all of a sudden, 1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:40.720 it just seems like he's pressing. He's just pressing. Now. 1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:45.920 I just think, you know, he's just he's just playing 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:48.800 out of position at this point. You know, he's used 1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:50.880 to the ball, he's used to feeling it, getting to 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:54.960 feel of it, getting you know, so the fact that 1:30:55.200 --> 1:30:57.320 you know when he does touch it is like one 1:30:57.320 --> 1:30:58.640 of those things, all right, I got to try to 1:30:58.680 --> 1:31:01.120 do something with it. Now, you know, more of like 1:31:01.200 --> 1:31:05.560 a two men, you know, type of skill, and he 1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:10.080 does not have that, and it just it's just throwing 1:31:10.120 --> 1:31:12.840 them off. It happens, believe it or not. It happened 1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:16.759 with Lebron when Lebron went When Lebron went to Miami 1:31:17.000 --> 1:31:19.240 that first year, and they started off the season oh 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:22.759 to eight because Lebron was playing a natural three position 1:31:22.880 --> 1:31:25.519 where Bibby was the point, he was the three, and 1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:28.960 they just wasn't clicking. And they were like because they 1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:31.040 played against us, they got they win and they're run 1:31:31.080 --> 1:31:35.360 against us. They put Lebron at the point, put Bibby 1:31:35.400 --> 1:31:38.680 at the two on the offense so Lebron can have 1:31:38.760 --> 1:31:41.559 the ball coming full speed downhill. And then they went 1:31:41.640 --> 1:31:46.679 on a twenty two game winning streak. So note to self, 1:31:46.920 --> 1:31:52.280 if you're fast, you can't shoot bummer. Can't have it all, 1:31:52.520 --> 1:31:56.320 can't have it all. Gilly, We appreciate you coming on, man, 1:31:56.439 --> 1:32:00.639 you were electric. You're an electric player. You're entertained as fuck. 1:32:01.520 --> 1:32:08.120 What's your podcast name? No Chill with Gilbertarenas Everyone, Go 1:32:08.280 --> 1:32:11.720 listen to it, click subscribe on Footbow TV. Oh and 1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:14.439 I used to I have a combo. So you know, 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:18.599 I was a Patriots fan. So yeah, so my combo 1:32:18.720 --> 1:32:23.160 I called you guys, MJ. So whenever you whenever you 1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:26.439 scored a touchdown, it was the MJ moment because it 1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:30.839 was twelve and eleven. So from me from twelve to eleven, 1:32:31.240 --> 1:32:34.160 MJ movin goat goat status was the golt status. I 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:36.599 love it. Man. We used to have so we had 1:32:36.640 --> 1:32:39.720 play called Jordan and it was like, yeah, it's our 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:43.320 go toube play. It was an empty formation. I'm on 1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:44.840 the right and I got a juke ride. I got 1:32:44.880 --> 1:32:47.600 like fifty two yards to basically get open and that 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:49.800 was our And with seams you got Gronk. Down the 1:32:49.840 --> 1:32:52.599 seam you got you know, Marty b On the other 1:32:52.720 --> 1:32:55.080 seam you got Katie and on the outside like so 1:32:55.640 --> 1:32:57.479 we used to we used to always mix it up 1:32:57.479 --> 1:33:01.400 with some basketball term. I knew it. I'm so dumb 1:33:01.520 --> 1:33:04.439 that that took me. I thought, I just realized that 1:33:04.560 --> 1:33:06.679 Michael Jordan. For a second, I was like, Michael Jackson, 1:33:06.760 --> 1:33:11.439 twelve and eleven year old. They got it's the goal, 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:13.280 it's the gold. Well, now I get it. Now I 1:33:13.360 --> 1:33:16.479 Knowdan too. And then the fact that they had the 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:21.920 play called it going to You legendary, legendary. Hey man, 1:33:22.000 --> 1:33:23.720 I'll have to get up on your podcast. One of 1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:25.760 these days. We'll have to have a no chill moment. 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:28.320 We'll have Sam come on too. Yeah, hell, no problem, 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:30.840 no problem, thank you, thank you for having me. I 1:33:30.920 --> 1:33:33.960 appreciate you coming on. Man. All right, all right, Fellas, 1:33:35.400 --> 1:33:38.360 he was great. He's he's he's a fun guy and 1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:43.400 he's and he is. No no shortage of confidence. No, 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:47.120 it would have been crazy to see if he would 1:33:47.120 --> 1:33:52.040 have kept it together health wise. Yeah. How fucking like. 1:33:52.200 --> 1:33:56.640 He was unstoppable. He was boring ball he was, he was, 1:33:56.920 --> 1:33:59.439 he had it all. He could show it three years 1:33:59.479 --> 1:34:01.680 where it was like like get the fuck out of 1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:03.280 the way. Yeah, I mean it was on the cover 1:34:03.360 --> 1:34:06.960 of eNB two K. It was live, I think live. Yeah, 1:34:07.439 --> 1:34:11.160 before live was Live was a lesser game. Yeah, two 1:34:11.240 --> 1:34:14.439 K was better. Live had its moment before two K existed, 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:17.400 for sure. Live was the game. Yeah, and then two K, 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:22.680 Dreamcats Amateurs, NBA jams was the real ship. Yeah, if 1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:26.360 you're fucking casual, man, NBA jam is fine. No K 1:34:26.640 --> 1:34:31.040 has fucking depth. Hell no, dude, I used to love 1:34:31.120 --> 1:34:33.800 like saying you prefer poly Shore movies the Citizen Kane, 1:34:34.240 --> 1:34:36.800 what are you talking about it? It's about biodome. Poly 1:34:36.920 --> 1:34:40.960 Shore is fun. I'm saying biodome what it was? Just 1:34:41.040 --> 1:34:46.320 thing Citizen game. It's a classic. What was it the 1:34:46.479 --> 1:34:49.960 wize I used to like poly Shore. Yeah, no, I 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:54.320 meant about I liked NBA Jam. That is a very 1:34:54.360 --> 1:34:59.200 fair I mean it was Sega. We were like two gigabytes. 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:01.760 I don't even know what the the computer term is. 1:35:01.880 --> 1:35:06.880 We have nothing. He's eating up. NBA Jam is a classic. Yeah, 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:09.040 it's like Blitz. It didn't blitz category. I get it. 1:35:09.160 --> 1:35:11.000 Blitz is Blitz is a classic too, I know, but 1:35:11.040 --> 1:35:13.920 they're in the same is better than blitz. Yeah, it's 1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:17.040 because you know two on two's gimmick. It's a gimmick. 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:19.800 It's a gimmick. It's a gimmick, but it's not a traditional, 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:25.840 like authentic, authentic type game. Jack, I see you NHL hits. 1:35:27.120 --> 1:35:29.600 I remember Wayne Gretzky three D Hockey. That ship was 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:32.880 fun fights. That was the first game where you could 1:35:32.880 --> 1:35:36.280 beat the shit out of someone. That was great. Just 1:35:36.360 --> 1:35:40.719 hooking dudes, throwing checks. Never got into the NHL games. 1:35:41.000 --> 1:35:43.200 The good game a lot of guys. It was so fast. 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:47.439 My dexterity wasn't there. But my initial reaction to this 1:35:47.600 --> 1:35:54.120 game is Gil Gilly, Silly Gilly. He's just entertaining. Yeah, 1:35:54.120 --> 1:35:59.320 he's a ideal guest on this show. Great stories. I 1:35:59.439 --> 1:36:05.599 mean coming out with Kobe, the fact that he got 1:36:05.640 --> 1:36:09.479 all excited when Kobe knew his name, having his boy 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:13.880 talk shit to Kobe and then but he don't think 1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:15.439 he had his boy talk shit. I think that guy 1:36:15.600 --> 1:36:18.280 just like talks shit. Like can you imagine that you 1:36:18.439 --> 1:36:20.479 come in the league and your boy is just like, 1:36:20.960 --> 1:36:22.760 my man's gonna fuck you up? And Kobe's like, who 1:36:22.800 --> 1:36:27.280 are you? Like? That was insane. That story, Yeah, you 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:29.600 gotta you gotta keep the friends online. But then the 1:36:29.720 --> 1:36:31.920 end of the story is like he knew who arenas was? 1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:33.320 I mean, that's kind of I remember I did a 1:36:33.439 --> 1:36:35.920 roast back in the day. I was twenty one years old. 1:36:36.000 --> 1:36:38.479 I did a Friars Club roast and I fucking bombed 1:36:38.560 --> 1:36:41.400 so hard I was. I went in cocky because there 1:36:41.479 --> 1:36:43.400 was like an audition to do it, and I killed 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:46.240 the audition. So I was like, I'm fucking twenty one 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:47.960 years old, What the fuck do I know. I go 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:51.120 on and I eat shit on stage, and then a comic, 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:54.240 Rich Voss goes on after me, and he's doing well 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:56.400 and then he bombs one line. He goes, you fucker's 1:36:56.479 --> 1:36:59.680 better laugh. I'm bringing Sam back up. Oh and it 1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:02.519 And I was like wow. I was also like, it's 1:37:02.520 --> 1:37:05.000 pretty cool that he knows my name. Even I was 1:37:05.040 --> 1:37:07.640 sad as that so I was that young. I was like, 1:37:07.720 --> 1:37:10.479 it's cool knew what my name was. I fucking stunk. 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:13.360 So you're you were the Gilbert Arenas in that situation. 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:18.559 I was Gilbert in that story. Wow. Yeah, I kobe. 1:37:18.960 --> 1:37:23.800 Knowing who Arenas was is is pretty cool. Yeah. I 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:25.840 mean there and then he really fucking knew who he was. 1:37:26.720 --> 1:37:28.840 He loved playing in LA That's the second guest we 1:37:28.920 --> 1:37:31.360 said that we we we've talked to that said he 1:37:31.520 --> 1:37:34.720 liked playing the bright Lights. Yeah, the celebs. I mean, 1:37:34.920 --> 1:37:36.840 he can say he's not he doesn't give a shit 1:37:36.880 --> 1:37:40.000 that Nicholson's there. But you're not gonna not get up 1:37:40.040 --> 1:37:42.360 for that game. Yeah, it's like seeing Spike in the 1:37:42.439 --> 1:37:45.200 fucking garden. Yeah, you see Spike in the garden, I'd 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:49.080 be like, oh shit, exactly. You don't get to see 1:37:49.120 --> 1:37:52.519 that as much in football because all the celebrities are 1:37:52.560 --> 1:37:55.519 usually in boxes. That's a good point, you know what 1:37:55.520 --> 1:37:57.920 I mean. There's no like, there's no intimacy that you 1:37:58.000 --> 1:38:00.799 get in basketball. That's the cool thing about out Like basketball, 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:02.400 when you're playing in front of people, you can hear, 1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:04.799 you could go when you shit court side and stuff, 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:08.880 you could hear what the game and all that when 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:11.840 you're you don't get to experience that in football unless 1:38:11.920 --> 1:38:14.120 you're on the sideline. Yeah, very rarely do you get 1:38:14.120 --> 1:38:16.559 to be on that sideline. Jack Nicholson, he's in boxes 1:38:16.600 --> 1:38:21.920 after the game, Jack Nicholson sex joke. Go fucked a 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:26.240 lot in the seventies and eighties and nineties. Two thousands 1:38:26.280 --> 1:38:29.640 to two. Bet he slowed down. He's eighty five. I 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:33.760 hope he slowed down just for his ticker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:38:34.040 --> 1:38:39.320 I believe that he said he rather lose and score eighty. 1:38:39.560 --> 1:38:42.280 That was awesome. The honesty is great that he'd like, 1:38:42.400 --> 1:38:45.719 I want eighty because he knew it would bother Kobe 1:38:45.880 --> 1:38:49.320 more than a win. Yeah, although I don't know Kobe 1:38:49.400 --> 1:38:53.000 wanted to win it all callts he I don't would 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:54.320 do you think Kobe would say the same thing. I 1:38:54.320 --> 1:38:55.960 don't think he would. I think Kobe would rather have 1:38:56.040 --> 1:38:59.080 sixty and win. I was always the kind of guy 1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:01.800 if I was alling out and it was a close game, 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:04.639 I was just praying that we won the game, because 1:39:04.760 --> 1:39:09.000 you don't, you can't feel good about it. No, right, 1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:11.960 it well doesn't matter. No one remembers lost shit. Yeah, 1:39:12.160 --> 1:39:15.280 even if you go off like look at like Gabriel 1:39:15.360 --> 1:39:17.960 last year and the playoffs had four touchdowns. That's fucking 1:39:18.040 --> 1:39:21.080 insane against the Kansas City Chiefs in the divisional round 1:39:21.960 --> 1:39:24.960 and like we're talking about the Chiefs, you know, I 1:39:25.040 --> 1:39:27.600 mean you're talking about four in which I think was 1:39:27.680 --> 1:39:29.360 almost was that a record that could have been a record. 1:39:29.840 --> 1:39:33.200 We'll see Val Bundy, Shit Al Bundy. I love Al 1:39:33.280 --> 1:39:36.719 Bundy and in my pants on the couch Man classic peg. 1:39:40.640 --> 1:39:42.639 Do we hit the bulls of prop bet how many 1:39:42.680 --> 1:39:46.519 beefs we could bring up? Demolished? We demolish it? Well? 1:39:46.520 --> 1:39:48.799 We had Gilbert who just has so much The Kwame 1:39:49.000 --> 1:39:51.720 beef is maybe the most fun beef. I mean it 1:39:51.800 --> 1:39:54.880 didn't stop there either. We had John Stockton beef, which 1:39:54.920 --> 1:39:57.320 I love. This is an anti John Stockton podcast. Buck 1:39:57.360 --> 1:40:02.240 stock then Cohorts let's say basketball. He had beef with 1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:05.519 all of Duke basketball. He had beef with Yeah, he 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:09.719 definitely went a batti batty, a little beef with NCAA refs, 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:13.160 beef with the National Title game, Richard Jefferson, beef with 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:17.800 RJ his own teammate, bef beef with the entire NBA 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:21.519 draft system, which I love. That's true. Well, I mean, 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:25.080 you gotta you gotta be angry that you go thirty 1:40:25.160 --> 1:40:28.120 one and Kwame go is one and you're like that, dude, 1:40:29.439 --> 1:40:31.280 you know what I mean when you I get it. 1:40:31.439 --> 1:40:33.960 But that that creates a chip on his shoulder, that 1:40:34.080 --> 1:40:36.400 made him play better, That makes him It's what makes 1:40:36.479 --> 1:40:39.479 agent zero, agent zero. You know exactly what's the legacy 1:40:39.520 --> 1:40:42.840 for this game? Just gild going off. We're doing. This 1:40:42.960 --> 1:40:46.799 is a regular season game. The steaks are non existent. 1:40:47.280 --> 1:40:51.599 It's just a cool game. We're watching hot this these 1:40:51.720 --> 1:40:53.840 like next few did he have fifteen like a couple 1:40:53.920 --> 1:40:56.200 other ones, like you said, fifty four in the Suns. Yeah, 1:40:56.439 --> 1:40:58.160 and they snapped an eighteen game. Oh, he had to 1:40:58.240 --> 1:41:01.920 hit a beef with the son's coach, Yep, D'Antoni at 1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:03.600 the Olympics or something. He had a beef with the 1:41:03.640 --> 1:41:06.559 Olympic system, and we can go on with the beefs. 1:41:06.960 --> 1:41:11.479 This is a lot of beef. Where's the beef? They 1:41:11.520 --> 1:41:13.120 had a beef with his microphone two for a while 1:41:13.160 --> 1:41:15.120 and the zipper on his jacket. That's true. That was 1:41:15.160 --> 1:41:19.080 a beef. He had a beef with the head the 1:41:19.280 --> 1:41:22.920 cordless headphones. That's true. He's a podcaster. How the fuck 1:41:23.040 --> 1:41:24.560 we knock at his audio? He had a beef with 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:27.160 the camera on a podcast. The camera was on his 1:41:28.000 --> 1:41:32.040 neck for a while. I mean, the guy, he loves beef. 1:41:32.320 --> 1:41:35.160 He's my kind of guy. I like burgers. He was. 1:41:35.320 --> 1:41:38.599 I still like beef. I still think about this era 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:42.320 and how much joy he gave me to watch him. 1:41:42.360 --> 1:41:44.920 I mean, he really was just fun to watch, just 1:41:44.960 --> 1:41:49.600 an incredible player. And then I think it underappreciated and 1:41:50.479 --> 1:41:54.280 somewhat forgotten player from this era. I think you don't 1:41:54.320 --> 1:41:56.560 hear his name enough for how good he was. And 1:41:56.680 --> 1:41:59.479 it goes into that category just like you know, bib. 1:42:00.400 --> 1:42:04.880 You know you don't win one, You're not really getting 1:42:04.920 --> 1:42:07.320 the recognition. There's only like a few. You have to 1:42:07.400 --> 1:42:11.240 be super elite for a long time, like Dan Marino 1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:14.800 or Charles Barkley for guys that didn't win it, sure 1:42:15.000 --> 1:42:18.559 that get remembered. Patrick Ewing, guy, you know what I mean. 1:42:18.600 --> 1:42:20.000 There's a lot of guys you have to you have 1:42:20.080 --> 1:42:24.240 to like, and I feel bad for those guys. John Stockton, 1:42:24.360 --> 1:42:28.720 Stockton Malone. I liked that they didn't win one. Yeah, 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:31.920 me too. Fuck the Utah Jazz Dude, I'm fucking Mitt 1:42:32.000 --> 1:42:34.600 Romney's dumb Khakis at his game with his jersey on. 1:42:34.760 --> 1:42:39.200 I don't give a shit about Utah. So like good people, 1:42:39.240 --> 1:42:42.040 and I do like the crowds there, but really nice people. Yeah, 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:44.400 and a lot more diverse than I thought. Hooked up 1:42:44.400 --> 1:42:46.439 with the Mormon ones there and she was like blown 1:42:46.479 --> 1:42:48.360 away that I had body hair. She was like, oh 1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:51.000 my god, you're so Jewish. And I was like, this 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:53.400 is like the bar is so low. It's amazing. They're 1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:57.040 very Scandinavian out there. They are. They're very like blonde hair, 1:42:57.439 --> 1:43:03.760 blue eye. Oh yeah, Joseph smith Man, you come in 1:43:03.800 --> 1:43:06.280 whit you come and look at ethnic, look at ethnic. 1:43:06.760 --> 1:43:08.640 You know you're a looking Jew like me. They're just like, 1:43:08.760 --> 1:43:13.320 what the fuck is this? It's great. Sixty is the 1:43:13.400 --> 1:43:15.640 most anyone ever scored on Kobe so that is that 1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:19.599 is huge. That's you think about the great players who 1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:23.759 went against Kobe. You weren't getting it. Kobe took it personal. 1:43:23.880 --> 1:43:26.800 He did. You came to the Staples Center. This was 1:43:26.880 --> 1:43:29.800 in the Staples Center. He took it personally. And you 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:34.200 know what do you call himself the black mongoose? Goilber's 1:43:34.240 --> 1:43:36.679 the black mongoose because the mongoose can eat the snake 1:43:37.080 --> 1:43:39.639 the mambas. I feel like he said fifty to fifty. 1:43:39.640 --> 1:43:42.160 I feel like the mongoose owns a snake. We could 1:43:42.200 --> 1:43:44.120 look into that jack when we do, when we forget, 1:43:44.200 --> 1:43:46.439 But like, do you feel like the mongoose owns this snack? 1:43:46.520 --> 1:43:49.600 I just read that a lady went missing in like 1:43:49.720 --> 1:43:54.200 Indonesia and they found her in a boa constrictor's body. Damn. 1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:58.200 Like she's fifty four. Her husband saw a big fat 1:43:58.280 --> 1:44:02.600 snake like half of a body. It's gotta be a 1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:05.800 rough way to go. Just squeeze you to death and 1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:07.880 then it just swallows you. Is that how they do it? 1:44:07.960 --> 1:44:11.280 That's how they do it, damn or was it anaconda? 1:44:11.360 --> 1:44:15.160 It was one of the two, but regardless, that's crazy 1:44:15.640 --> 1:44:19.080 lasting image. Yeah, what's the image of sticks with the 1:44:19.160 --> 1:44:21.880 other game. To me, it's just almost like Gilbert and 1:44:21.960 --> 1:44:25.200 those ugly ass jerseys, which he thinks are awesome. He 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:26.880 said he went off every time he was in them. 1:44:26.920 --> 1:44:29.760 He loved them. I think the I don't know how 1:44:29.800 --> 1:44:31.920 you guys feel. I think they're the most hideous jerseys. 1:44:31.960 --> 1:44:35.000 But it's gil and the ugly jersey just elevating with 1:44:35.080 --> 1:44:38.920 a jump shot. That's how that's the image to me. Yeah, 1:44:40.120 --> 1:44:44.479 I'd agree those jerseys are Do anyone else know, Jack, 1:44:44.960 --> 1:44:47.240 I'm not a fan. I mean, there's it almost goes 1:44:47.320 --> 1:44:49.599 in that category though, that they're so ugly, they're kind 1:44:49.640 --> 1:44:53.320 of cool now. I just I'm not a huge fan 1:44:53.400 --> 1:44:55.599 of any of the Wizard's jersey. I think the old 1:44:55.640 --> 1:44:59.040 Bullets jerseys, the Reds are pretty fucking up. Those are 1:44:59.080 --> 1:45:04.200 bad ass. Red, white and blue Bubs. You apparently you can, 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:07.120 I don't. I think the Pats jerseys are cool, honestly, 1:45:07.160 --> 1:45:10.120 but I don't like the No. The classics are not bad. 1:45:10.360 --> 1:45:14.559 Classics are insane. Reds, Yeah, Reds are awesome. They Red 1:45:14.680 --> 1:45:16.800 is a cool jerse. The new ones are the blue 1:45:16.840 --> 1:45:19.960 on blue. I guarantee they won't be using those gray 1:45:20.040 --> 1:45:21.880 pants again because they hadn't worn them in two years 1:45:21.960 --> 1:45:24.160 or something, and they just got blown out on Monday 1:45:24.200 --> 1:45:29.880 Night football by the Chicago Cubs. I mean that's not 1:45:30.000 --> 1:45:35.280 their name, no, but they're kind of they're baby Bears. Yeah, 1:45:35.479 --> 1:45:37.120 you don't think of the eighty five Bears when you're 1:45:37.120 --> 1:45:39.800 looking at this this this Bears team. Let's just say that. 1:45:39.880 --> 1:45:41.479 And the Pats got blown out when we supposed to 1:45:41.520 --> 1:45:44.080 do Jay Cutler's podcast. What happened with that? Speaking of Bears, 1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:46.599 I don't know, but I love Jay. Yeah, we never 1:45:46.640 --> 1:45:51.200 were supposed to do that. Jay is a likable Aaron Rodgers. 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:53.760 Is it like as far as like they both have 1:45:54.000 --> 1:45:58.080 that kind of like arrogance, you know, like they both 1:45:59.160 --> 1:46:01.479 Aaron Rodgers away better quarterback, don't get me wrong, but 1:46:01.680 --> 1:46:03.720 like you know what I mean, you know that Jay 1:46:03.720 --> 1:46:06.920 would call out his teammates. He just sat there like 1:46:06.960 --> 1:46:10.240 you had a cigarette, miserable face. Remember the cigarette memes 1:46:10.280 --> 1:46:12.360 that he always to have. He always had a cigarette 1:46:12.360 --> 1:46:15.720 in his mouth showed show. Uh. Yeah, what what do 1:46:15.800 --> 1:46:17.439 you make of this? Aaron Rodgers shit? Right now? I 1:46:17.520 --> 1:46:19.400 know this is like an Evergreen pop but I want 1:46:19.439 --> 1:46:22.600 to I mean it's pretty crazy, right, Yeah, I don't know, 1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:27.559 it's there're different types of leadership skills. I guess look 1:46:27.600 --> 1:46:29.960 at it. Do you think this just should just started? Though? 1:46:30.000 --> 1:46:32.760 When they didn't retain Devonte Adams and he was like, 1:46:32.840 --> 1:46:36.800 what the fuck, dude, Well, you can't retain someone when 1:46:36.840 --> 1:46:40.679 you get as big of a contract as as Aaron got. 1:46:41.400 --> 1:46:44.439 So so what do you think you think? I think 1:46:44.520 --> 1:46:47.240 he's about, you know, trying to make money right now. Yeah, 1:46:47.479 --> 1:46:51.280 like let's call a spade of spade. Yeah. Does he 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:57.040 want championships? No, he got one twenty years ago, twelve, 1:46:58.439 --> 1:47:00.600 you know. And I love Aaron Rodgers of he's the 1:47:00.680 --> 1:47:04.240 most talented guy ever, but he's not ever. When you 1:47:04.320 --> 1:47:06.320 when you see the ball come off his hand, it's pretty. 1:47:06.439 --> 1:47:09.400 It's pretty sexy. More talented than Brady as far as 1:47:09.479 --> 1:47:14.880 like just straight pure throwing, and like it's just it's pretty. 1:47:15.720 --> 1:47:19.040 It's sexy. No, he's a great player, I'm not denying, 1:47:19.200 --> 1:47:21.840 But the thing is Brady like, he's more talented than 1:47:21.880 --> 1:47:26.400 Mahomes or Alan. I would say. His accuracy is pretty 1:47:26.479 --> 1:47:30.760 damn his arm is pretty elite. It's Peyton manning. Peyton 1:47:30.800 --> 1:47:33.320 Many wasn't known for his arm, really, He's more known 1:47:33.400 --> 1:47:39.000 for the cerebral sight. Of it. What do we forget, Jack, 1:47:39.960 --> 1:47:44.559 We got a couple here. Gabe Davis was indeed doesn't 1:47:44.560 --> 1:47:46.519 indeed hold the record for most TV receptions in a 1:47:46.520 --> 1:47:50.680 playoff game. Yeah right, brother, spot on over here in 1:47:50.720 --> 1:47:54.600 the nat GEO corner, the mongoose is practically guaranteed to 1:47:54.680 --> 1:47:56.960 win against a black mambas. So what I'm saying he 1:47:56.960 --> 1:48:02.400 said it was fifty to fifty, Yeah, mongoose, Droy's mambas. 1:48:02.560 --> 1:48:07.040 He's probably trying to be PC. I don't think that 1:48:07.120 --> 1:48:10.200 guy's PC. I don't think he's PC at all. I 1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:15.320 love I also love when Jules said that, Uh asked 1:48:15.360 --> 1:48:18.599 Gil if he made more money his last year at 1:48:18.600 --> 1:48:21.200 Arizona than his first year in the pros very basketball, 1:48:21.640 --> 1:48:25.719 shack making more money in college, very basketball. Very good question. 1:48:27.200 --> 1:48:29.320 It was an honest question. I mean, she's I've seen 1:48:29.400 --> 1:48:33.040 it basketball. We need to do a basketball episode of that. 1:48:33.320 --> 1:48:36.600 I am fighting to get Trey and matt On and 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:38.800 we talked. I feel like they don't like that movie. 1:48:39.600 --> 1:48:41.360 They have to love it. I don't think they like it. 1:48:41.439 --> 1:48:44.840 I love it. I love it. I love them. I 1:48:45.240 --> 1:48:48.639 think South Park, Bigger, Longer, and Uncut is a top 1:48:48.720 --> 1:48:52.519 five comedy of all time. It's a masterpiece everything of 1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:56.280 what they do. They're They're Phenomenalica Team America is great. 1:48:56.360 --> 1:48:58.519 They're no, they're the best. How did they have they 1:48:58.600 --> 1:49:02.920 not been thrown thrown out? Oh yet? Were grandfathered in? Dude? 1:49:03.000 --> 1:49:06.320 Grandfathered in? Yeah, dude, And if people try to throw 1:49:06.400 --> 1:49:09.360 them out, we will fucking rally in the streets. The 1:49:09.479 --> 1:49:12.080 mister Jackson ship is so funny on that damn show. 1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:22.920 So good. And then one mister Hanky, No, mister Jackson 1:49:23.000 --> 1:49:26.200 was Michael Jackson was a good one. Mister Jefferson and 1:49:26.280 --> 1:49:30.479 mister Jefferson, Mister Jefferson, I love Chef. I was so 1:49:30.600 --> 1:49:32.720 sad when Chef left, although the way they killed him 1:49:32.720 --> 1:49:35.679 off was pretty badass. It's sad though, because Isaac Hayes 1:49:35.760 --> 1:49:37.320 died and I feel like they never passed it up. 1:49:37.360 --> 1:49:40.320 Fucking scientology dude. Yeah, he was cool, making fun of 1:49:40.360 --> 1:49:47.639 everybody else, made fun of Jews, black people, Ethiopians. Can't 1:49:47.720 --> 1:49:53.040 let ya. And then one last on the those Saudi 1:49:53.160 --> 1:49:55.840 Nights Jerseys as we called him, Bill loved them. They 1:49:55.920 --> 1:50:00.479 only lasted three years. They're awful. I'm hilarious. He loved them. 1:50:00.640 --> 1:50:03.160 He loved them, He looked at us like we had 1:50:03.160 --> 1:50:05.920 a dick on our forehead. I know which I think 1:50:05.920 --> 1:50:08.479 would look better than those jerseys. Honestly, that's how bad. 1:50:08.600 --> 1:50:10.320 I would rather have a dick on my forehead than 1:50:10.880 --> 1:50:14.160 like an actual dick or a painted dick. Painted. I 1:50:14.200 --> 1:50:17.439 don't want actual. I didn't know we're going to dissect 1:50:17.479 --> 1:50:19.320 this one. I don't know. I just I was thinking 1:50:19.360 --> 1:50:21.519 about it. What's the name of the game. He called 1:50:21.560 --> 1:50:23.880 it the speed Limit Game, which I love. I love 1:50:23.960 --> 1:50:27.200 the name is sixty. I would think I'd think of 1:50:27.280 --> 1:50:29.920 it as Gilbert's sixty piece on Kobe. That's that's how 1:50:30.000 --> 1:50:31.680 I think of the game. But I do love the 1:50:31.720 --> 1:50:34.439 speed limit. What do you think the black Mongoose game? 1:50:34.880 --> 1:50:41.240 Black mongoose? All right, let's do it. Steaks. Steaks are 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:47.400 nothing and a three and a half start. That's still 1:50:47.439 --> 1:50:51.360 Gilbert versus Kobe regular season. These were the two superstars. 1:50:51.400 --> 1:50:55.479 We're going three to five, Okay, but that's that's fair. No, 1:50:55.800 --> 1:50:57.400 Kyle of makes a good point. They were both five 1:50:57.479 --> 1:51:01.560 hundred teams. These aren't high school year? Is this? This was? 1:51:01.760 --> 1:51:05.720 Oh six six? You're right? I think I'm too eight. 1:51:05.840 --> 1:51:09.400 Maybe you're right. No steaks, No steaks. Star power is 1:51:09.560 --> 1:51:13.439 high because we got there was beef. Kobe steaks, but 1:51:13.520 --> 1:51:16.360 there was beef. That's my See, I hang out with 1:51:16.439 --> 1:51:19.000 the comic and I'm just getting fucking funnier by the second. 1:51:19.200 --> 1:51:22.640 That was clever. That was good. Okay, Kyler's trying to 1:51:22.680 --> 1:51:25.519 lower the score of everything today. I don't like this. Uh, 1:51:26.120 --> 1:51:28.200 star power is high, man. We got we got Kobe, 1:51:28.400 --> 1:51:31.160 we got Odum, we got Arenas Kron Butler. Yeah, but 1:51:31.200 --> 1:51:34.360 it's not shocking Kobe. No, we're not going that high. 1:51:34.360 --> 1:51:40.200 But Nicholson's there, he was there. Nicholson raises anything he gets, 1:51:40.280 --> 1:51:43.280 He gets you a point easy. He's like, he's like 1:51:43.360 --> 1:51:45.800 a he's like a four four point guy for the 1:51:45.960 --> 1:51:49.240 spread for like an NFL team. If he doesn't play, 1:51:50.520 --> 1:51:52.200 you're dropping four points in the spread. Or if he 1:51:52.240 --> 1:51:54.120 does play, you're getting for me. Is he Josh Allen 1:51:54.280 --> 1:51:58.800 right now for star power? Star power? No? For for 1:51:59.040 --> 1:52:01.559 points in the spread. I don't think he's Josh Allen 1:52:01.600 --> 1:52:05.719 high right now because this is in seventies, or because 1:52:05.760 --> 1:52:08.639 this was late two thousand. Oh dude, he's even bigger 1:52:08.680 --> 1:52:10.760 because it's like the Legend of Jack. I think two 1:52:10.760 --> 1:52:13.000 thousand and six Jack is even bigger, is it? Yeah, 1:52:13.200 --> 1:52:15.439 thinking about Chris, Chris Men was out there. Chris min 1:52:15.560 --> 1:52:19.720 is a big name, dude, star power. A seven point eight, 1:52:20.160 --> 1:52:26.040 that's fair. That's the first school. Kyler's alright, reluctant, all right, reluctant. 1:52:26.080 --> 1:52:29.000 Seven eight. Gameplay is a good game if we're just 1:52:29.080 --> 1:52:33.519 going pure gameplay over time, a comeback forty five from Kobe, 1:52:33.680 --> 1:52:36.240 sixty from I'm going like eight seven. If we're just 1:52:36.280 --> 1:52:39.320 doing gameplay, it's it's great. It was good. It was 1:52:39.479 --> 1:52:43.760 It was fun basketball, fun regular season basketball. The name 1:52:43.880 --> 1:52:45.360 is not high either. This is not going to be 1:52:45.400 --> 1:52:48.600 a high what's the name the Black Mongoos game. I 1:52:48.800 --> 1:52:51.760 like the name. It's funny. It does score points for 1:52:51.840 --> 1:52:54.120 being funny. It's not iconic. So how are we are 1:52:54.160 --> 1:52:57.400 we raking it ranking on being iconic or funny? The 1:52:57.479 --> 1:53:01.599 speed limit of the black mamboo, black mongoose. We already 1:53:01.720 --> 1:53:04.560 we already locked her in the black Mongoose game. So 1:53:05.000 --> 1:53:07.240 I don't know, like a six to zero. It's a 1:53:07.280 --> 1:53:09.880 funny name, yeah, and it's got some it's got some 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:14.200 story behind it, you know, in some like national geographic 1:53:14.240 --> 1:53:18.519 type shit. Yeah, this is a low score though, Yeah, 1:53:19.640 --> 1:53:24.280 I mean it's still no shark week. Six to three, 1:53:24.400 --> 1:53:27.960 all right, respectable, it's a regular This actually, for a 1:53:28.000 --> 1:53:31.320 regular season game, is a pretty respectable score. Yeah, by 1:53:31.439 --> 1:53:33.880 two teams under five hundred. Yeah, but they did have 1:53:34.360 --> 1:53:37.280 two ballers that we all loved watching at that time 1:53:37.320 --> 1:53:40.600 of basketball. So I almost part of me wants to 1:53:40.600 --> 1:53:42.559 go higher on gameplay. But it's locked in. We can't 1:53:42.560 --> 1:53:45.040 do any it's locked. Once it's locked, it's locked. We 1:53:45.120 --> 1:53:49.080 can always review it. The mid season review show, Mid 1:53:49.240 --> 1:53:52.680 season review show. Right behind this one lands us right 1:53:52.720 --> 1:53:56.120 behind the twenty eleven Stanley Cup Final that came in 1:53:56.200 --> 1:53:59.360 at a six ' five just ahead of the Giants 1:53:59.479 --> 1:54:03.400 National Belt Dumper Game, as it was known, eighteen innings 1:54:03.479 --> 1:54:07.080 in the NLD Belt Dumpers worse than this, I would 1:54:07.120 --> 1:54:09.479 agree with that. I agree, I agree this is a way. 1:54:09.600 --> 1:54:12.240 That was a fucking snooze fest. That game, alright, and 1:54:12.400 --> 1:54:13.840 it was fun as hell, but that game was a 1:54:13.920 --> 1:54:18.760 snooze fest. Guys upset the Canucks game had a riot, 1:54:18.800 --> 1:54:22.719 So that was and we ranked this higher than the Canucks. 1:54:22.960 --> 1:54:29.320 Just just sorry, hockey, sug hockey, that's right. What do 1:54:29.400 --> 1:54:35.160 they call hockey? Guys? Puckheads? You got seam heads for 1:54:35.280 --> 1:54:38.800 baseball football. I didn't even I've never even heard seam heads. 1:54:38.920 --> 1:54:43.040 What are dimple heads for golfers? Hoop heads makes sense? 1:54:43.760 --> 1:54:46.360 Is that hoopads? I don't know. I don't know anyway. 1:54:46.440 --> 1:54:50.000 Follow Games with Names on social media YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:54.400 TikTok at Games with Names. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify. 1:54:54.720 --> 1:54:57.080 Whoever you listen, comment on a game you want us 1:54:57.120 --> 1:55:01.560 to do, rate and review. And that's all for this 1:55:01.720 --> 1:55:05.000 episode of Games with Names, presented by winn Bet. Thank 1:55:05.040 --> 1:55:07.560 you guys for listening. We had a lot of fun 1:55:07.640 --> 1:55:10.240 with this one. Gilbert Renaz, thank you very much for 1:55:10.360 --> 1:55:13.080 joining us. 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