Speaker 1: December seventeenth, two thousand and six, Staples Center, Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 1: Agent Zero, the Black Mamba, Mono E Mono. This is
Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas's sixty point game. Hello, and welcome to Games
Speaker 1: with Names, presented by win Bet. I'm Julian Edelman, I'm
Speaker 1: Sam Morrel, and we're on the search to find the
Speaker 1: greatest games of all time. And today we're talking about
Speaker 1: Gilly Gilbert, Agent zero, Arena's sixty point game against the
Speaker 1: Lakers and Kobe Bryant, and we're gonna be joined by
Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas. In just a bit. We'll check out what
Speaker 1: was going on in the world in December of six,
Speaker 1: and we'll take a look back at both of these teams,
Speaker 1: then wrap it up by naming the game and scoring
Speaker 1: the match was a This was a sick game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean two legends. This was in the prime of
Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas's Like there was like a three four year
Speaker 1: period where you could argue he was probably one of
Speaker 1: the best scorers in the world. Yeah, it was. I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: everyone talks about like Kobe versus Team Act, or Kobe
Speaker 1: versus Vince or Kobe versus Ai, but like Arenas had
Speaker 1: a stretch where he was a killer. Yeah, just going
Speaker 1: back and watching this game, he did it in all
Speaker 1: phases of the game. He could come off the screen
Speaker 1: shoot three. He could his mid range jumper was insane.
Speaker 1: In transition, he could get to the line. He went
Speaker 1: to the line twenty seven times. That's went twenty two
Speaker 1: for twenty seven. That's that's insane, isn't it. That's insane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean except for like during the James Harden era,
Speaker 1: there was an arrow a Harden would just be at
Speaker 1: the line. You'd breathe on him and he would just
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Speaker 1: We want to hear what you're talking about. We want
Speaker 1: to hear what game you want to hear? Right? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean this is one like communal, This is one
Speaker 1: I'm pumped for. I remember watching this game live and
Speaker 1: being like, holy shit, like you knew you were watching
Speaker 1: an epic game. Yeah. I mean anytime Kobe was on,
Speaker 1: it was like always must see TV. And then you
Speaker 1: throw on Gilbert Renez, like you had to watch this game. Kobe.
Speaker 1: I was always kind of rooting against because he was
Speaker 1: so good, and it was almost like Kobe went through
Speaker 1: that phase where it was like uncol to like Kobe
Speaker 1: because he was just winning. So I felt like the
Speaker 1: posers like Kobe. And then he kind of lost for
Speaker 1: a while and drove shack out and humbled a little.
Speaker 1: And this is like when he became cool again. I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, him, Poucassol, he didn't have Shaq. He
Speaker 1: was coming into his own. He was trying to learn
Speaker 1: how to win without Shaq, and U exactly what you said,
Speaker 1: when when guys are hot, when you're at the top,
Speaker 1: it's lonely at the top. Everyone want to see you
Speaker 1: a fall. Then he hits rock bottom, Shaq goes out
Speaker 1: and wins some titles. Yeah, he's still looking for it.
Speaker 1: And this is when everyone kind of got back on
Speaker 1: that Kobe train. Yeah, I mean this was kind of
Speaker 1: Kobe and like, I think he was like fourth in
Speaker 1: the league in scoring this year, So this was maybe
Speaker 1: like the year after he was like I'm taking every shot.
Speaker 1: He had that one weird year in the playoffs against
Speaker 1: the Suns where he just wouldn't take a shot and
Speaker 1: being like, oh, I shoot too much, Let's see what
Speaker 1: anyone else can do. And you're like, weird, time to flex, Kobe,
Speaker 1: we'd time to sink your team. It's something it's a
Speaker 1: characteristic in those ultra competitors that are just so petty
Speaker 1: when someone says something about them that they're going to
Speaker 1: do everything, they just all right, you want to see
Speaker 1: without me shooting, We're not going to shoot, but Tom
Speaker 1: ever do shit like that. Ah. Now, he was pretty
Speaker 1: good at compartmentalizing, you know, he would he would create
Speaker 1: stories in his mind with certain things that went on.
Speaker 1: But you never you never saw him as a different
Speaker 1: player when we were preparing for a game or anything
Speaker 1: like that, because like he that's his master's strength. He
Speaker 1: can he can always compartmentalize regardless of what's going on
Speaker 1: in his life, going around the team, his you know,
Speaker 1: reactions of what's happening with the front office. He was
Speaker 1: always the same guy was this jack Was this number
Speaker 1: eight Kobe or number twenty four Kobe. I feel like
Speaker 1: it was a let me look one second, because I
Speaker 1: feel like eight Kobe and twenty four Kobe. Like when
Speaker 1: he was number twenty four, he became more of a leader.
Speaker 1: When he was eight, he was kind of like the
Speaker 1: I'm the swaggy cool guy and the minifro went away.
Speaker 1: The mini fro. You're right, minifro. I love the minifro.
Speaker 1: Mini fro was always cool. It was you know, I
Speaker 1: like when players look like they're in the seventies, like
Speaker 1: when a baseball player is a mustache or Wallace, Ben Wallace,
Speaker 1: Ben Wallace. He just he played like a seventies player.
Speaker 1: He did that big old fro dunk on you what
Speaker 1: we got, Jackie. This was twenty four of Kobe, twenty
Speaker 1: four four. Then he wanted a clean slate after Shaq
Speaker 1: was traded. Interesting, Yeah, that's the only reason. That's the
Speaker 1: only reason. Let's go back to December seventeenth, two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, number one movie The Pursuit of Happiness with
Speaker 1: Will Smith and the debut of his son was Jaylen Smith.
Speaker 1: Jayden Jayden, Jaden Smith. I I shed tears every time
Speaker 1: I watched this one. Yeah, Will Smith down his luck
Speaker 1: trying to get back kind of like Will Smith today
Speaker 1: in real life kind of. But no, this was a
Speaker 1: good movie and it was insane, and it took place
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. There was a forty nine ers scene, so, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just loved the movie. Inspiring too, like
Speaker 1: the homeless just trying to save his son, and then
Speaker 1: it becomes just like successful real real story too, underdog
Speaker 1: story and you know, one of those feel good movies
Speaker 1: when you're you're feeling like shit feels good for like
Speaker 1: the last ten minutes, yeah, last time. The first hour
Speaker 1: and a half, you're like, sheesus Christ, guy a break,
Speaker 1: he's selling Like what the projector things back in the nineties,
Speaker 1: what is it? I don't know, but uh, it was
Speaker 1: good to see that. I loved that movie. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a classic. It was a good flick. Sudan Hussy
Speaker 1: was sentenced to death by hanging in November. Hanging is
Speaker 1: so old school, very very very old school. They should
Speaker 1: do like an NBC show where we killed dictators with Hangman.
Speaker 1: You have to guess letters like little kids have to
Speaker 1: guess the letters is R is R one and then
Speaker 1: he's just like, shit, it is one. Sorry, Saddam your dad.
Speaker 1: Nintendo Wei was launched. I love Nintendo we for like
Speaker 1: three months, and then I was like, it's not that good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got excited because you saw the bowling commercial and
Speaker 1: the hating commercial, but if you're a real gamer, you're like,
Speaker 1: this sucks. Yeah, it wasn't. Tennis was kind of fun tennis,
Speaker 1: but I like when they were like, it's exercise. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it was always like a fat piece of shit. Who
Speaker 1: was telling you this was exercise? They were like, it's
Speaker 1: like real exercise. I'm like the boxing doing this. But
Speaker 1: it was. It was a good party system, you know,
Speaker 1: because then everyone who didn't play games could actually come in.
Speaker 1: You guys could drink, make a drinking game out of
Speaker 1: it or something along those lines. It was fun. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I had it for like and then they
Speaker 1: would The next one was a game cube. This is
Speaker 1: game cube proceeded, I believe, yeah, and this would. But
Speaker 1: you're right, this was good for people that aren't gamers.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like the casual system because
Speaker 1: you could learn, like your mom could come in and
Speaker 1: pick up bowling. Yeah, it's kind of like the the
Speaker 1: VHR now or one are the virtual reality goggles that
Speaker 1: they have oculus Oculus Like all right, yeah, that's fun
Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes, and then yeah, it's more fun
Speaker 1: in theory than execution. Yeah, it's never gonna be. You
Speaker 1: put it on too, and you're like the people say
Speaker 1: video games make you anti social. Then you're literally putting
Speaker 1: goggles on and you're in a room alone like m
Speaker 1: You're like, this is like the epitome of isolation. Remember
Speaker 1: that was gonna be the ticket, Like when this whole
Speaker 1: craze of like NFTs and everything, everyone's gonna just have
Speaker 1: virtual reality goggles and we're not even gonna leave our house.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be amazing. Yeah, well that's the way we're
Speaker 1: headed with the metaverse. That's what they're trying to get
Speaker 1: us to do. I thot the metaverse was done. I
Speaker 1: think it's I think they're just warming up. Are we
Speaker 1: warming up? Jackie? Remember back when you made the Google
Speaker 1: Glass video, Like, oh, twenty thirteen Google Glass video. I
Speaker 1: remember that twenty thirteen we went out and did an
Speaker 1: ad for Google Glass and I had I was catching
Speaker 1: punts on an off day with these Google glasses, it
Speaker 1: was not you didn't like it. I mean they didn't
Speaker 1: work did they do? They didn't work out. It's gone.
Speaker 1: They was gonna be the wave too. You never know
Speaker 1: that could come back though. It's kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: TikTok and Vine, like Vine didn't make it now TikTok's
Speaker 1: basically Vine and it made it. You just need some
Speaker 1: better marketers. Yeah, I mean my Space started the whole
Speaker 1: thing Friendster before that. Maybe we'll get to ask Geeve
Speaker 1: goggles or something like that. Yeah, ask Geeve the hot bot.
Speaker 1: Remember that I asked Jeeves was a fucking How about
Speaker 1: You know who's really hurting right now is probably Yahoo?
Speaker 1: Are they? They could have been Google? Yeah, could have
Speaker 1: been Googled. Couldn't they have bottom or something? There was
Speaker 1: one of those things they could have bought Google early.
Speaker 1: How about AOL? I feel like Florida is keeping aol afloat.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's just a few old people just
Speaker 1: they still have the disc. They're like, I'm still I'm
Speaker 1: still logging on they dial up sound that dial Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Remember you'd be like on the phone, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, mom, please, I'm trying to call a friend.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm checking my mail. You couldn't be on
Speaker 1: the phone. That was crazy. Yet, two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: Yahoo turned down a million dollars to buy Google a
Speaker 1: million million dollars. That's kind of like Blockbuster Netflix. Yeah,
Speaker 1: damn well, I mean Netflix just you're right, just copied
Speaker 1: Blockbuster and then it became streaming. No. I remember my
Speaker 1: friend had Netflix and I thought it was so lame.
Speaker 1: You had to like go online and you had to
Speaker 1: order a movie in like three days. You would get
Speaker 1: a CD and you'd have it for like a month.
Speaker 1: You only watched the movie once? So what was the
Speaker 1: big thing about it? Like, I was like, this is dumb.
Speaker 1: That's what we used to do. I want to go
Speaker 1: to Blockbuster and I want to go, like look at
Speaker 1: everything that was Like that was almost more of the
Speaker 1: day than watching the movie. Is picking the movie? That
Speaker 1: was Friday Night? Yeah, anytime in the nineties, it's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was with you. I mean the fact that the
Speaker 1: mailman had to deliver your movie and they had the
Speaker 1: boxes or is that red box? Red Box? Didn't Netflix
Speaker 1: have a box as well? I don't know. Well, bow
Speaker 1: Rat was released in November. I like a boat. I
Speaker 1: don't have I have about a boat rack. I don't
Speaker 1: know of the accent. Everyone was doing that voice that
Speaker 1: was like, let's go Brandon before we were so divided, remember,
Speaker 1: it was just like that was like the apolitical let's
Speaker 1: go Brandon. It was that and I'm Rick James bitch,
Speaker 1: and like every time you're like, all right, we get it.
Speaker 1: We've seen the fucking thing. Boright. Huge though, seventy second
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy Award Troy Smith, Ohio State quarterback didn't pan
Speaker 1: out in the league. Most of those Heisman quarterbacks, don't.
Speaker 1: We need to get what Heisman quarterback has done well
Speaker 1: in the NFL. There's a few. Carson Palmer didn't win
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl like t Bow. You know, he circumcised
Speaker 1: a kid, You know that, right, I didn't know. He
Speaker 1: went to the Philippines and was like given circumcisions out. Damn.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That is the weirdest sentence ever. It's
Speaker 1: I think that's a full true story. He went to
Speaker 1: the Philippines and circumcised the kids circum like he was
Speaker 1: giving out circumcisions. It's damn. He was fun. He was
Speaker 1: fun in the NFL. So he came to he played
Speaker 1: with us for a while. Yeah, and there's a guy
Speaker 1: named Nico Kudoviti's. He was like the levantier of the
Speaker 1: locker room, like just he was a Greek guy, but
Speaker 1: he thought he was like Italian and he talked like
Speaker 1: like this, that New York guy. And the first day
Speaker 1: we signed Tebo, he just looks over he go, hey, Tbo,
Speaker 1: you mean to tell me you know? Jack off? Like
Speaker 1: this guy's got this and he has a stigma, like
Speaker 1: an aura about him when he walks into somewhere. He's
Speaker 1: he's a popular guy. Everyone knows who Tim Tebow is.
Speaker 1: People love him, so you can't get a little intimidated.
Speaker 1: I was. I didn't say anything. What did THO say?
Speaker 1: He just kind of shook it off and laughed like
Speaker 1: he's probably gotten those jokes from locker rooms a bunch.
Speaker 1: But uh, it's funny. They should have kept going. They
Speaker 1: should been like, whip it out, dude, let's see it.
Speaker 1: Come on, Tebo, prove it, prove it? Does he? Does he? Not? Jack?
Speaker 1: I think he was just being a smart ass Nico
Speaker 1: jacket on that. Yell me, look, your Google search is
Speaker 1: gonna be rough. You might have to go to uporn
Speaker 1: for that one. Yeah, Tim Tebow whacking it, he must
Speaker 1: whack off. I think that's gotta be a detriment at
Speaker 1: a certain point if you never get a release. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a religion thing. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So the NBA in two thousand and six, the San
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs swept the Cleveland Cavaliers in the finals, Lebron's
Speaker 1: first finals. That was his baptism. Yeah, baptism by the
Speaker 1: big fundamental Tim Duncan. Was unreal. And also he had
Speaker 1: no help. Lebron was young. Sure he was a little
Speaker 1: young to be here, but who is the second best player?
Speaker 1: Booby Gibson, Sasha avl Goasca, big Zka. I was in
Speaker 1: Cleveland when this was happening. There was such a energy
Speaker 1: in Northeast Ohio with Lebron and his young his he
Speaker 1: was just a monster. I don't know he was. How
Speaker 1: old was he was like his third year in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's insane. He made the final three in yeah with
Speaker 1: like no, he really had no help on this team.
Speaker 1: He didn't even have like Anton Jamison yet, he had
Speaker 1: no out. Did he have Moe Williams. He did not
Speaker 1: have Mo he had Scott Pollard, He had Eric Snow,
Speaker 1: David Wesley Wesley, Dwayne Jones, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden exactly.
Speaker 1: He had no one. Yeah, no disrespect to those guys,
Speaker 1: but that's insane. Remember when Drew Gooden had the patch
Speaker 1: in the back of his head. It was awful. That
Speaker 1: was not good. You remember that he he didn't have
Speaker 1: any hair except one little patch in the back of
Speaker 1: his head. That's kind of tight rat tail. It wasn't
Speaker 1: even a rat tail. He was trying to get it
Speaker 1: to be rat til maybe though it was like pre
Speaker 1: stage rat tail. But then sometimes if you're growing your
Speaker 1: hair out, you got to you gotta stick through the
Speaker 1: ugly stage. I know, you got to get the whole hair.
Speaker 1: It's like when you do a mustache. If you did
Speaker 1: a mustache, now be fine, But if you just grew
Speaker 1: the mustache, yeah, we should like kind of like how
Speaker 1: Sam holds his all the time. Sam's got a good stash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: dirty Sanchez. The MAVs were sixty five and fifteen this year.
Speaker 1: The Sons were sixty one and twenty one. Two killer
Speaker 1: regular season teams that just didn't have the juice that
Speaker 1: was Steve Nash. Sons huh. They were fucking from Mary Stademern.
Speaker 1: I remember the West Coast teams a lot more at
Speaker 1: this point because I was still in the West Coast
Speaker 1: maybe at that time. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's isn't
Speaker 1: it crazy with sports? Unless you watch Sports Center twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven. At that time, you were only like
Speaker 1: limited to who who you are, who you had on TV.
Speaker 1: There was no League pass yet. I don't think no.
Speaker 1: NBA TV was just becoming a thing. I think. But
Speaker 1: Kobe was a scoring leader, thirty one a game, MVP Dirk,
Speaker 1: he was killing it. Rookie the year. Brandon Roy was
Speaker 1: he was like one of the ultimate what ifs. That
Speaker 1: guy was phenomenal on his knee. He just had like
Speaker 1: no cartilage in his knees right the worst I feel
Speaker 1: bad for him? How you feel, Buddy? Its almost worse
Speaker 1: and not being able to jack off t BO that's
Speaker 1: stinks now. He was He also got shot recently. Brandon Roy,
Speaker 1: he just had like bad luck. When it rains, it poors, Buddy,
Speaker 1: it rains, it poors. Dpoy Marcus Camby, he was he
Speaker 1: was a man. Isaiah Thomas took over as the Knicks coach.
Speaker 1: I thought that would have been a good match. That
Speaker 1: was terrible. I mean that was like one of the
Speaker 1: worst periods as the Knicks fan. He just didn't have
Speaker 1: what it takes to be a good coach. He was good,
Speaker 1: I guess with the Pacers, but he problem was he
Speaker 1: was a GM before this, so he signed these horrible
Speaker 1: contracts and then he had to play them. It was like,
Speaker 1: this is your fault. You literally can't blame anyone but
Speaker 1: you when you got all control. Yeah, can't blame anyone. See,
Speaker 1: you better be pointing that thumb to yourself, buddy. Adidas
Speaker 1: became the official outfitter of the league. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: before they employed Anti Semites. Uh. Well them and Puma. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, because they were brothers, you know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those were brothers. They broke off. One beat was took
Speaker 1: the Adida's name and one made Puma. Damn yeh Narley.
Speaker 1: Uh remember those space shoes Adidas, that Kobe's first shoe.
Speaker 1: Oh those were horrible. They look like bricks, right, Well,
Speaker 1: those are the coolest. That's what all the kids wear nowadays.
Speaker 1: The Kobe's no like just brick looking shoes, like these
Speaker 1: fat shoes, big old blockie clunkers. Yeah, the Kobe Adidas,
Speaker 1: the original. They're on the top left or that left one.
Speaker 1: Those are awful. What what are we doing here? What
Speaker 1: it looks like a Volvo? It doesn't, It is true.
Speaker 1: They support look at that like were wearing those What
Speaker 1: is that? It looks like one of those winter puffers,
Speaker 1: those jackets you know. Yeah. Long time Boston Celtics coach
Speaker 1: an executive Red Aarbach died October twenty legend. It's always
Speaker 1: funny to hear stories about Old Red. Anytime he was
Speaker 1: in the the arena, everyone knew because you just smelled
Speaker 1: the cigar. Yeah, there were no non smoking laws for
Speaker 1: Red anywhere. Shout out to him making it to eighty nine.
Speaker 1: The way he looked and lived he did. He was
Speaker 1: not a healthy man. He couldn't have been. He had
Speaker 1: a cigar in his mouth out all times. When cigars
Speaker 1: like fifty cigarettes? Yeah, isn't that what it is? Something
Speaker 1: like that? Is it? Yeah? The cigarettes? They say, like
Speaker 1: one cigar is like fifteen cigarette. You're not inhaling, right, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: If you're a fucking pro like Red, he's definitely inhaling
Speaker 1: that bad boy. Do you think he's inhaling a little
Speaker 1: bit honey, Yeah he was. He was, I mean as
Speaker 1: big of a Boston legend as you can be. I mean,
Speaker 1: the architect of those teams start as a coach, became
Speaker 1: the front office. JBS talks about him inside the NFL.
Speaker 1: He said, that's what he told me, that story. Anytime
Speaker 1: you're in arena and you smoke a cigar, you knew
Speaker 1: Red was around. I think Paul Pierce said it when
Speaker 1: he came on too, And Paul and Paul they're saying, here,
Speaker 1: one small cigar is the same as one and a
Speaker 1: half cigarettes. Red one smoking is small. He wasn't smoking.
Speaker 1: He knows nothing small about anything on Red. Also, that
Speaker 1: ratio sounds like it can't be right, can't. Gars are
Speaker 1: so much cooler than cigarettes. Cigarettes. You look like it's
Speaker 1: like a nervous energy. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Cigars you're just like chilling. It depends on how you
Speaker 1: smoke a cigarette. I mean, some guys look pretty cool
Speaker 1: doing it. It looks cool, But there's something about a
Speaker 1: cigar that's like swagger. It's more like vacation vibe exactly. Cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Like like you said, like, all right, I gotta get
Speaker 1: this stress off here real quick. Let me just take
Speaker 1: down one of these Ciggi's yeah, cigarettes, Like, where the
Speaker 1: fuck is that missing girl? You know cigars? Just like
Speaker 1: I got some stock options for you. I'll help out.
Speaker 1: What were you doing in two thousand and six, jewels?
Speaker 1: You were at Kent State? Right is my first year
Speaker 1: at Kent State. Man, I was like open to a
Speaker 1: whole new world going to the Midwest. I never left
Speaker 1: California before this, other than I went to Florida once.
Speaker 1: But uh, it was it was crazy to me. Like
Speaker 1: you were at QB. I was QB in it at
Speaker 1: Kent living over in Silver Meadows getting robbed. I got robbed.
Speaker 1: Someone came in and robbed my my TV, my flat
Speaker 1: screen while you were there. No, I was at class.
Speaker 1: So it was definitely inside job. We used to hold
Speaker 1: poker tournaments there, and so I used to go to
Speaker 1: these pull inside job, pull inside job xbox and I
Speaker 1: had a plasma TV you know, which was huge back
Speaker 1: in the Yeah, yeah, plasma was big. And so one
Speaker 1: day I go to like this poker tournament, like we
Speaker 1: used to go to these like illegal poker tournaments. We're
Speaker 1: probably gonnay for this, but go like forty miles away
Speaker 1: from Kent in some like Podunk Ohio Town. And there's
Speaker 1: a scratch on my TV that I knew. And I
Speaker 1: walk into this fucking this cash or this game, and
Speaker 1: I see my fucking TV with the exact same thing,
Speaker 1: like who what? So I sat there and I was
Speaker 1: fuming the whole time I was playing. I was like,
Speaker 1: who fucking stole my shit? And so I had a
Speaker 1: Queen eight and this was a cash game, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a tournament, and it was like a thousand dollars hand
Speaker 1: and that's huge hand for when you're in college. And
Speaker 1: I fucking like I rivered like the nuts won the hand.
Speaker 1: I grabbed all my money and I said, that's my
Speaker 1: fucking TV. I picked up the TV and I left. WHOA.
Speaker 1: I was so fucking round. I was someone at the
Speaker 1: game who jacked it. Someone. I was like, who the fuck?
Speaker 1: Where'd you get this TV? Picked up the TV, picked
Speaker 1: up my money, gave a spit, and I was like,
Speaker 1: let's go. That's bad ass. It was. It was pretty
Speaker 1: bad ass, but I was like, I was so hot
Speaker 1: and I was ready to fight. I was like ready,
Speaker 1: Like I thought someone was gonna be the biggest dude there. No,
Speaker 1: I'm a five ten brother. I know, but you're fucking yoked. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was a quarterback at the time. Yeah, you were
Speaker 1: still probably a jack quarterback. I was a little jazz,
Speaker 1: pretty jacked, I mean, but nothing crazy. But I've got Julian.
Speaker 1: I've got Julian Edelman shredded on my Google search, do
Speaker 1: you Yeah? Because I was trying to show my trainer.
Speaker 1: I was like, look how Jackie is. But now if
Speaker 1: you look at my Google search, he be like, why
Speaker 1: is he looking up jack pictures of Julian? But it's
Speaker 1: to show my trainer. I'm like, look at that. Well,
Speaker 1: my Google search it says Sam Morel funny because nothing
Speaker 1: came up. No, I was looking for jokes, struck out,
Speaker 1: looking for jokes for this podcast shown up. This guy
Speaker 1: throws out a funny joke. Every time I have nothing
Speaker 1: to come back. You're killing giggle with a giggle. I
Speaker 1: would think of that Sopranos scene. Remember when Jackie Junior
Speaker 1: and those dudes try to rob the poker game. That's
Speaker 1: one of the best scenes. It was like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I right away, dude, dude, I remember my blood
Speaker 1: was pumping so hard. I was like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just got a hand, got my TV back. Fuck yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. That's fucking badass. Let's talk about this matchup. Oh,
Speaker 1: we gotcha at the I got the two thousand and
Speaker 1: six stats, one hundred and twenty four passer rating, two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty two passing attempt seems kind of high.
Speaker 1: I would have thought less for you were we were
Speaker 1: throwing that thing, baby, we were West Coast. Spread them
Speaker 1: Shatham get open wide shallow ten tds ten, How many
Speaker 1: picks eleven? Oh damn, those are rushing team Bill Simms
Speaker 1: regular season numbers right there. I used to rush, though
Speaker 1: I was a runner too. Now probably had to let
Speaker 1: me look into those real quick. Now I'll have to
Speaker 1: get that. Let's talk about this matchup. Lakers forty two
Speaker 1: and forty finished seventh in the West. Kobe was leading
Speaker 1: the NBA and scoring with thirty six point or thirty
Speaker 1: one point six points per game. That was the year
Speaker 1: they drafted Jordan Farmar Jew in the first round. Oh yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: Jewish representation in the NBA. There's not a lot of
Speaker 1: us Amari, that's true. He's he's our on the old
Speaker 1: jew team. Amari is our star Amari and Dolph sha
Speaker 1: is from like the nineteen fifties. Our guys, these were
Speaker 1: post shack Lakers, not the greatest Lakers of all time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a rough team. This is Jordan Baying, I'm
Speaker 1: Chris Mim, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton another Arizona guy too.
Speaker 1: Before lamar Odem they just got this was that was
Speaker 1: the shack t that was pre? Was that pre? That
Speaker 1: was pre? Who didn't he dig? It was pre? Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1: You saw lamar Odum on a flight? Yeah, how's he doing?
Speaker 1: It was Chloe? Yeah, yeah, thanks yummy, thanks to thanks you.
Speaker 1: I he came in like almost a little late. Did
Speaker 1: you say hi? No? He was No, absolutely not. Why
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but there's gotta be like an athlete. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bug him, but he's I don't know
Speaker 1: why he wasn't. He didn't sit in first class. He
Speaker 1: sat in an exit row. Maybe because he's so long
Speaker 1: that he needed the the leg space. But it was
Speaker 1: still a little I mean, because if you think they
Speaker 1: were like the pod things, maybe it wasn't enough leg space.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't know, dude. I think
Speaker 1: if if you can get that pod, you're taking the
Speaker 1: pod Yeah, maybe it was a last, last second flight.
Speaker 1: He he he needs that happens, that does happen. Benefit of doubt.
Speaker 1: I hope he still got some money. I was a
Speaker 1: big lamar Odom fan, New York guy, legend, six eleven,
Speaker 1: futuristic player, like truly one of my favorite dudes to watch.
Speaker 1: Incredible talent, and it is he goes in that category
Speaker 1: of if he played in now's era, he would have
Speaker 1: been great. I think he'd be a great modern day player.
Speaker 1: See I mean say that about a lot of guys
Speaker 1: back in the day. She'd I think would have been
Speaker 1: another great modern day player. Lamar Odom was six eleven,
Speaker 1: and he had ball handling ability and could kind of
Speaker 1: just do everything. Yeah, he was and he had no ego.
Speaker 1: I mean on the court, came off the bench for
Speaker 1: the Lakers, he could. He was a fucking All Star
Speaker 1: level player. I don't even think he ever made an
Speaker 1: All Star team, but he was on Team USA. But
Speaker 1: he was like fucking six man for the Lakers when
Speaker 1: they were making that run and you're like, that's incredible,
Speaker 1: that's humbling. But he had but he wanted to win
Speaker 1: and he was. He was great. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: a great player for the Lakers. Yeah, no All Stars,
Speaker 1: but NBA six man in twenty eleven. No, maybe one
Speaker 1: of the best players ever to never make an All
Speaker 1: Star team, without question. And he just beat Aaron Carter
Speaker 1: in celebrity boxing. I think I thought he lost. No,
Speaker 1: he beat the crab out of him. He just lost
Speaker 1: to something before that, though, didn't he Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: look up his boxing record. He beat Aaron Man. If
Speaker 1: he lost to Aaron Carter, that would have been rough. Aaron.
Speaker 1: Was he like a Backstreet boy or something? Oh, his
Speaker 1: brother's a brother. Man. If he lost to the brother
Speaker 1: of a backstreet boy, that would that's like losing to
Speaker 1: Joey Fotone's nephew or something. That's bullshit. That's yeah, no,
Speaker 1: thank guy. He's six eleven, he's got reached. He lost
Speaker 1: to someone though recently. Oh wait, he's two and oh
Speaker 1: he's two and oh good. That was Frank Gore. Frank
Speaker 1: Gore lost to Darren Williams. Yeah I did. I would
Speaker 1: not have bet on Darren Williams. No, but he handled
Speaker 1: him a little bit. And I'm a Frank go. Frank
Speaker 1: Gore is my guy. He is Frank Gore Hall of Famer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean just Likeevity alone, right, I mean he was
Speaker 1: a beast for so long, not like some of the
Speaker 1: He's top five in rushing or something, and he played forever.
Speaker 1: He was awesome for a long longevity. Darren Williams, though,
Speaker 1: had fucking hands. Did he see that length? That length?
Speaker 1: I didn't have bet my life on Gore, me too,
Speaker 1: because Gore's like he was known to be a boxing guy.
Speaker 1: He was always in the ring or always training in
Speaker 1: the off season boxing. Darren Williams looked like he could fight.
Speaker 1: He was. Darren Williams had like a run in the
Speaker 1: NBA where he was just phenomenal, but he did kind of.
Speaker 1: He came to Brooklyn and and it didn't really work
Speaker 1: out here in Brooklyn with that Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett,
Speaker 1: Darren Williams, Joe Johnson squad didn't. It usually doesn't work
Speaker 1: out New York. You know, at least Knick Knicks are
Speaker 1: having it. They're gonna have a year this year. Dude,
Speaker 1: I don't know when this episode comes out. That's a
Speaker 1: bold prediction, but Knicks are fucking more in the Knicks
Speaker 1: shoes and more in the Knicks hat. Let's fucking go
Speaker 1: that's a cool Knicks hat. It was like a fire department,
Speaker 1: fire department hat. They got to make a New York
Speaker 1: Giant New York Giants one for day Ball because he
Speaker 1: always wears the New York Fire Department. Fucking love day
Speaker 1: Ball six and one. He's fucking awesome, he really is.
Speaker 1: He Lea's like out of season Chris Kringle, doesn't he
Speaker 1: He looks like, you know, like you know, Santa before
Speaker 1: he puts on He's got a little Santa belly. But
Speaker 1: he got a little Tony soprano vibe to him too,
Speaker 1: he does. He's got a little soprano swag. I guess
Speaker 1: you kind of have to in Jersey, the Meadowlands. He's
Speaker 1: from upstate New York. He's from Buffalo or Western Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Buffalo has got definite mafia vibes, have you been? I mean,
Speaker 1: the Italian the Italian defamation leagu' is gonna come after
Speaker 1: me for this one. No. Uh. The Italian food in
Speaker 1: Buffalo is some of the best you'll ever eat. I mean,
Speaker 1: really next level in the wings. Yeah, that's true. They
Speaker 1: think they invented them. I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 1: They will tell you. They invented them. Rudy's Blue Cheese.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Buffalo Rudy's Blue Cheese. Gronk always used
Speaker 1: to bring it. Really Yeah, you like jewels, you gotta
Speaker 1: try this blue cheese. It's my favorite. And his mom
Speaker 1: used to make a Buffalo chicken dip all the time.
Speaker 1: That's a huge Buffalo thing. I feel blankas from Buffalo
Speaker 1: born and raised. I didn't know that. It all makes sense.
Speaker 1: That does make sense. It all makes sense. Sorry, Jack,
Speaker 1: were you going to say something. Daboll actually born in Canada, Canada,
Speaker 1: grew up in upstate New York. Though. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: same shit Ontario. Yeah, but that's right on that line.
Speaker 1: You're right there. I mean, there's this interesting. The Wizards
Speaker 1: were forty one and forty one. Yeah, they were swept
Speaker 1: by the Calves in the first round. Coached by Eddie Jordan.
Speaker 1: This was a weird era. Arenas were third and scoring
Speaker 1: that year. I mean, people forget how good he was.
Speaker 1: They had Anton Jamis who was like, honestly, I know,
Speaker 1: I say, it's a lot another guy who would almost
Speaker 1: be better in today's NBA because he was a stretch four.
Speaker 1: It was almost before the time of the stretch four.
Speaker 1: Did he have the headband? He played sometimes with the
Speaker 1: head bands. North Carolina guy, Yeah, one fun factor at
Speaker 1: Anton Jamison. I believe they traded him and Vince Carter
Speaker 1: on Draft night. I could be wrong there, but they
Speaker 1: were both tar heels and I think was that right.
Speaker 1: Let me see here, the Warriors traded North Carolina's Vince
Speaker 1: Carter the number five pick to the Raptors for tar
Speaker 1: heel teammate Anton Jamison. That's four weird you traded for
Speaker 1: your tar heel teammate. I mean, that's how stacked that
Speaker 1: North Carolina team was. They Karan Butler on this team,
Speaker 1: who I loved watching Karan Butler. He was like a tough,
Speaker 1: gritty player, could score, but he was like he was
Speaker 1: like your defensive stopper guy. He was. He was a killer.
Speaker 1: Deshaun Stevenson, NBA champ with the MAVs, this was like
Speaker 1: he was a good player here. This was before he
Speaker 1: took like that next step. I think they were always
Speaker 1: a sexy team, the Wizards these these few years. They
Speaker 1: always like were competitive. I always had like a crazy
Speaker 1: night like Gilbert had tonight. They were a sexy team.
Speaker 1: They were like a fun video game because of Gilbert
Speaker 1: and because of Kuran and zach Con. They were a
Speaker 1: fun team for sure, a great offensive team, but they
Speaker 1: didn't play day other than Butler, and maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit was Brendan Haywood on this team. He was a
Speaker 1: good shop blocker. But let's get into the game. Gil
Speaker 1: got out to a hot start with twelve in the first.
Speaker 1: Seemed like he was hitting everything. It was so fun
Speaker 1: to watch him. I mean, that step back was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Like I was trying to think of modern players that
Speaker 1: play like him. I couldn't even think of one, no,
Speaker 1: because all modern players do is just shoot threes. But
Speaker 1: he had that nice mid range range I could have.
Speaker 1: He was just hitting mid range all game. And also
Speaker 1: he had that weird little like kind of step back
Speaker 1: off the glass. He had that like smooth game. This
Speaker 1: era was a cool era, isn't it. It always? It's
Speaker 1: crazy to me how well NBA players know the backboard.
Speaker 1: I love it, you know what I mean, That's the
Speaker 1: only shot I have consistently in the park because I
Speaker 1: will hit bank shots because I grew up watching Tim
Speaker 1: Duncan and they're like, oh, you fucking boring ass, white guy.
Speaker 1: It's literally how I score. Banks are always closed for me.
Speaker 1: Reason banks are always closed for me. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: do the bank No, No, it's a smart shot, Yeah
Speaker 1: it is. I'm just not good at it. Do you
Speaker 1: know who had a great bank shot? Dwayne Wade. No
Speaker 1: one talks about that shit, but he was like automatic
Speaker 1: off the glass. He made it. He made it look cooler,
Speaker 1: like Tim Duncan. Everyone was like like man whatever. By
Speaker 1: the way, one of the coolest players ever gets doesn't
Speaker 1: get his due is like a cool player. But to me,
Speaker 1: I think winning's fucking cool. I too, Winning's fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Gil had forty three in the second half. That's fucking insane.
Speaker 1: Kobe still had forty five in this game. It was
Speaker 1: fun watching them go back and forth. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: some questions about that. I guess they used to talk
Speaker 1: shit Walton through Walton. Yeah, they had like a messenger.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't talk straight to each other. They would like
Speaker 1: like Walton like would come up to Arenas and say like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kobe says you're too pussy to guard him. And then
Speaker 1: you know, Gilbert would be like, well you tell him.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let him post me up because he's
Speaker 1: great in the post and like go down like it
Speaker 1: was like a fucking full on well because they went
Speaker 1: to Arizona together, right Arenas and Walton and then Walton
Speaker 1: is Kobe's teammate. This Laker team kind of sucked. This
Speaker 1: was a pretty like this was pretty much like this
Speaker 1: was if these games were nationally televised. It's for Kobe.
Speaker 1: They were yeah, forty and forty, but there was a
Speaker 1: stretch where the Lakers were like not even a playoff team.
Speaker 1: I remember like right after Shack left. This is when
Speaker 1: they became like Kobe was so good, they were wand
Speaker 1: of like, right now, Lakers suck right now, dude, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to watch they You know what, they
Speaker 1: should have traded Westbrook for Miles Turner and Buddy Healed
Speaker 1: because at least then they'd have some depth in shooting.
Speaker 1: They're shooting is a fucking They had a trade on
Speaker 1: the table. I think they would probably would have to
Speaker 1: give up picks, but I think he got to do that.
Speaker 1: If you got why do you have Lebron if you're
Speaker 1: not going to try to win? Do you see Nurkic
Speaker 1: so disrespectful, didn't even step out on ad the other night,
Speaker 1: just let him jack it up. Ad. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. Man, the team doesn't work. They're
Speaker 1: trying to blame everything on Westbrook. Hey, I feel bad
Speaker 1: for Westbrook me too. It ain't right. I feel bad.
Speaker 1: And he's pressing so much. I mean, they're giving him
Speaker 1: wide open mid range shots and he's got to hit
Speaker 1: him though. I mean, you really do, Like you're an
Speaker 1: NBA player, You got to hit that fucking mid range shot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But he is like he is getting all of the blame,
Speaker 1: and it's like, dude, this I love how they blame
Speaker 1: Frank Vogel. They just fired him. I'm like, clearly, it's
Speaker 1: not the guy who won you a championship's fault. I
Speaker 1: hate when they blame a coach when it's like the
Speaker 1: front office is doing jack shit. Crazy thing about this game.
Speaker 1: Washington was up seventeen points in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 1: then the Mamba came out brought him back for overtime.
Speaker 1: Gilbert had the chance to win it on that last shot,
Speaker 1: didn't hit it, brings it back, gives them extra time
Speaker 1: to get a little more extra points. He would have
Speaker 1: finished sixty. He would have finished with forty four if
Speaker 1: they didn't have overtime. You got It's like you're bummed
Speaker 1: when you missed that shot, but then you're like, oh
Speaker 1: wait a second, I get the Stabad a little bit.
Speaker 1: Stat Pat love it. Gil sixteen and overtime helps the
Speaker 1: Wizards get the wh Vladimir Redmanovitch red Monovich remember him.
Speaker 1: He finished with twenty seven. He was on that Lakers team.
Speaker 1: He was on that team. You know, he's a really
Speaker 1: fun team. That Seattle Sonics team. He was the power
Speaker 1: forward on when they had like Rishard Lewis and Ray
Speaker 1: Allen and Luke ridden Now and shit, that was a
Speaker 1: that was a fun team. Everyone could shoot. Can we
Speaker 1: bring Seattle team back? Get Seattle a fucking team. These
Speaker 1: people deserve. They're great fans. Northwestern fans are they love them?
Speaker 1: And that's basketball towns, Washington Stable Town. Holy shit, they
Speaker 1: got like Gonzaga and Washington State. They got all those
Speaker 1: good basketball schools. Yeah, what do you got? Jackie said,
Speaker 1: they get the damn kracking. No NBA team with the
Speaker 1: kracking in the NHL. That's right, the crack. What is
Speaker 1: that a fucking Halloween candy? Get that ship out of here.
Speaker 1: What is it called? What's next to fucking Nevada, mister
Speaker 1: gold Bar. The cracking, the seattle cracking, that's their NHLPA.
Speaker 1: What is a kracking? The cracking? The beast something a
Speaker 1: sea beast, that's Jesus Christ. That's not a h eh eh,
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to find something good to say about.
Speaker 1: We just looked at the uniform. It's speaking of lame
Speaker 1: the Wizards. You see their uniform this game, the Golden
Speaker 1: Black horrible. It looked like an international team from like
Speaker 1: the Saudi League, the Saudi Alternates. These were These were
Speaker 1: rough jerseys. Let's go to the gaming corner presented by
Speaker 1: win Bet. What's the prop bet going to be? I
Speaker 1: think we see how much beef we can get Arenas
Speaker 1: to talk shit? Because he is a notorious shit talker.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I love about him. He's almost
Speaker 1: from that, he's almost cut from that Gary Payton trash
Speaker 1: talking cloth. I say, we can we get over two
Speaker 1: point five beefs? Like we know he hates Kwame Brown?
Speaker 1: Can we bring up to Kwame Brown beef? Can we
Speaker 1: get him to go off on that? Who else in
Speaker 1: the same He's probably probably had that edge, remember because
Speaker 1: they were draft he was draft number one. Kwame went
Speaker 1: number one that year, and Arenas went thirty one. Arenas
Speaker 1: is the second round pick. Jack told us before Tony
Speaker 1: Parker was, I believe twenty eighth in that draft. He was.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of busts in this draft, though.
Speaker 1: There were some guys that like Tyson Chandler went early
Speaker 1: in this draft, and he kind of sucked for the
Speaker 1: first four or five years and then he became a
Speaker 1: great defensive guy, a winner, but like he had a
Speaker 1: long stretch. Eddie Curry went early. Bulls got both and
Speaker 1: this was like a weird yeah drama. Parker twenty eighth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the all time steals. And also they got
Speaker 1: I don't know what you they got Ginobili but he
Speaker 1: was like fifty something the Spruce. That was when that
Speaker 1: was when international players were still just like soft international players.
Speaker 1: They didn't know. They didn't know, we didn't know. And
Speaker 1: now it's like now like now it's like Luca Jokic,
Speaker 1: all these like international the international players caught up. Oh dude,
Speaker 1: it's they're they're there. It's becoming scary for the US
Speaker 1: because they do the in All Star weekend, they do
Speaker 1: World versus US and now the world is getting sneaky, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, is not fair the world. It is.
Speaker 1: We're taking on the world. What is this the fucking
Speaker 1: Avengers movie? We should We're America. This fucking thing was
Speaker 1: made in Nate Smith. We still I still we win.
Speaker 1: I still think we But like, dude, they've got Joe
Speaker 1: al Embiid, Yannis, Luca Jokic. Technically they got Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 1: I think he's like from the Bahamas or something. Us.
Speaker 1: So we got like Jimmy Butler, Lebron, durant Uhatum Tatum,
Speaker 1: who else, Steph Clay Clay everyone else. We're good. We're
Speaker 1: still good, but smart. Julius Randall New York represent who else?
Speaker 1: I would just name the Celtics starting five probably for you.
Speaker 1: That's true. DeRozan is still a killer A D A
Speaker 1: d if he's healthy. Lebron do you say Lebron? Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt, Kyrie, Kyrie if he wants to play. It
Speaker 1: feels like it. James Harden seems like the American guys
Speaker 1: psychologically just they're good. They're the best, But like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing guys? Ben Simmons International,
Speaker 1: That's right, that help. That helps us. Yeah, what about
Speaker 1: Uh who else are we? Where'd he born Australia? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bradley Beal, We got killers, we got enough, uh, Kilgus, Alexander, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kawhi PG. That was he's been injured but when he's
Speaker 1: but he hasn't been injured as of late. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: just started playing. He's incredible. I mean, he's one of
Speaker 1: the one of the best Hall of Fame. It'll be
Speaker 1: good to see if the Clippers can go on a run.
Speaker 1: They're the ultimate what if team, right because they got
Speaker 1: John Wall, who's like a question mark who could be
Speaker 1: great this year. They got PG, who's always heard, Kawhi
Speaker 1: who's always hurt. They got the depth, zubots Canar is
Speaker 1: a sniper dude. They got my guy, Marcus Morris give
Speaker 1: the Knicks one of the best half seasons of my life.
Speaker 1: Great tough guy, love Mooke, tough guy, tough guy ticket.
Speaker 1: So just to lock it in here, two and a half,
Speaker 1: we think in two and a half over under, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're two and a half. We're gonna get him to
Speaker 1: talk about three beefs. I think the Kobe beef is
Speaker 1: like gotta be in there because I think there's love,
Speaker 1: but there's definitely beef. And then the kwame is a
Speaker 1: straight up beef, and I bet we can milk out.
Speaker 1: It's give us some other who else did you hate?
Speaker 1: We'll say we can even preference a question like who
Speaker 1: else did you hate? And he's not a guy who
Speaker 1: I think has to think about. This question is brought
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Speaker 1: We do deserve an RB's plug after that, give us
Speaker 1: some free rbs. I've never Yesterday we were talking RB's
Speaker 1: a couple of times I've never had Arby's. What I've
Speaker 1: never had it? I know it's the only fast food
Speaker 1: I've never had. Good. It's good RB sauce. You need
Speaker 1: to drench it in arby sauce. Yeah, the horseradish, No,
Speaker 1: it's like a fucking it's like a it's almost like
Speaker 1: a Heinz fifty seven barbecue sweet sauce, stingy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was like my parents' first date was at Arby's. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful, so nostalgic to me. All right, Well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be joined by Gilbert Arenas right after this break.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Man. How you doing, I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. But uh, I'm excited to have you man.
Speaker 1: Three time All Star Agent zero loved watching you during
Speaker 1: this era. This is such a fun time. All NBA
Speaker 1: second Team, two time All NBA Third Team Most Improved
Speaker 1: Player in two thousand three. I remember I think I
Speaker 1: picked you in fantasy that you you're on the Warriors.
Speaker 1: That was I believe. I picked you early and I
Speaker 1: got some ship, and I was like, watch and you delivered.
Speaker 1: You had a big ear and holds the Wizards record
Speaker 1: for points in a game. I think you passed Earl
Speaker 1: the Pearl in this game. Yeah, no small feet, black Jesus,
Speaker 1: that guy ruled x Nick. That's our guy here. Cover
Speaker 1: player for NBA Live two thousand and eight. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us man. Oh that ship I forgot.
Speaker 1: I did all that in such a short time. What
Speaker 1: are you doing these days? What's what's post retirement looking like? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, just like you guys podcasting, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to you know, be one of those athletes that you
Speaker 1: know that gets the show, the human side of them.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're when you're an athlete, you have
Speaker 1: to play by the media rules a little bit with
Speaker 1: answering questions, so you become you know, robotic. You know,
Speaker 1: now that I'm podcasting, you just get to lay it
Speaker 1: all out there. This was an awesome I mean, we're
Speaker 1: doing the game where you dropped sixty on Kobe, which
Speaker 1: is I remember watching live, I remember rooting. I wasn't
Speaker 1: a Wizards fan, but I rooted for you to I
Speaker 1: kind of couldn't root for Kobe. I feel like all
Speaker 1: the he was like, it was like almost fair weather
Speaker 1: to root for Kobe. He was so beloved at the time.
Speaker 1: So I was like I looked at Kobe the way
Speaker 1: I looked at like Rick Flair and wrestling. Well, I
Speaker 1: was like, I appreciated him, and I was so happy
Speaker 1: he was a part of the league. But I couldn't
Speaker 1: pull for him, you know. So I would root for
Speaker 1: guys like you or Tam Mac when I was watching,
Speaker 1: you know, and I loved watching you go off in
Speaker 1: this game. This was this was epic. How real was
Speaker 1: this rivalry between you and Kobe? It was It actually
Speaker 1: started my rookie, I mean the connection started in high school.
Speaker 1: He didn't know it, but he got drafted, you know,
Speaker 1: by the Lakers. So he's the high school kid, right.
Speaker 1: He goes to vig this beach breaks his head, and
Speaker 1: me and my friends we were like, oh man, we
Speaker 1: missed him. Let's go back. Let's go the following week
Speaker 1: to see if he's gonna show up and not realize
Speaker 1: that he broke his hand. He would not be there, okay,
Speaker 1: just we were high school kids, you know. So I
Speaker 1: go there, we're playing outside, I break my hand, I
Speaker 1: break my right hand. I'm like, oh shit, I'm just
Speaker 1: like Kobe, right. So I grew my fro out and
Speaker 1: all that. So I was a big Kobe fan. And
Speaker 1: I remember when I get drafted to When I got
Speaker 1: drafted to Golden State thirty one, my friend calls me
Speaker 1: and he was like, yo, guess who I just ran into.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, Kobe right, And he was like, no, serious,
Speaker 1: How did you know that? I was like the fuck
Speaker 1: out of here. You didn't run into no Kobe. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm at Disneyland and I just I just ran into
Speaker 1: Kobe and I said something to him. You said something
Speaker 1: to Kobe. I was like, what you say? I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: my boy, Gilbertorenas is gonna He's gonna kick your ass
Speaker 1: and just sees you. And he was like a Gilbert
Speaker 1: Areenas from the Warriors. He's like, yeah, that's my boy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna tear you up. He's like yeah, if he
Speaker 1: ever gets off the bench, WHOA. And I was like,
Speaker 1: why would you ever say he knew who I was?
Speaker 1: He like he said my name. He's like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: said today, he said you was on the bitch And
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, he knows me. Like I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't care about the disc or nothing. Just he
Speaker 1: knows me. Kobe Bryant knows me. But that kind of
Speaker 1: put like the the fire in me to like really
Speaker 1: start working out and really started training. Like if Kobe
Speaker 1: knows me, man, that's that. That means everything. So like
Speaker 1: whenever I played against the Lakers, it was just this
Speaker 1: this this automatic like great game. It was like I'm
Speaker 1: automatically on fire. So I remember even my my first
Speaker 1: best game in preseason, my best game in preseason against
Speaker 1: the Lakers in Bakersfield, my best game as a rookie
Speaker 1: against the Lakers, my best game, well not my best
Speaker 1: game in my second year, but you know, one of
Speaker 1: my better games was against the Lakers. The last game
Speaker 1: of the season. So you know, leading up to the
Speaker 1: sixty pointer, I was probably averaging about twenty nine to
Speaker 1: thirty two on the Lakers already for my career. So
Speaker 1: it was just it just seemed like just a normal game.
Speaker 1: You know, Kobe's gonna try his his mental battle with me,
Speaker 1: which he did. Started off the game saying, all right,
Speaker 1: I've got Gilbert, I'm gonna shut him down. Smith's Parker,
Speaker 1: you go to the Sean Stevenson. So I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, hey, Cob got to me one four flat.
Speaker 1: Forget the first couple of plays, right, just to let
Speaker 1: him know it's about to be one of those games.
Speaker 1: So you know, I start off on fire, We're going
Speaker 1: back and forth, and it was just everything was just clicking.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I had sixty, to be honest,
Speaker 1: until until the announcer said it. I thought, you guys,
Speaker 1: I thought, like, so you guys were talking to you.
Speaker 1: I thought that Luke Walton was the messenger for you
Speaker 1: guys to talk ship to each other. And how did
Speaker 1: this come about? I know, you guys played together and
Speaker 1: you know what was going on on this Arizona boys,
Speaker 1: and now he's a Laker with Kobe so he was
Speaker 1: a messenger. Yes, so Luke Luke Walton was. He was
Speaker 1: the go between. He was always the go between every game,
Speaker 1: which kind of got me hyped. That that that kind
Speaker 1: of got me hyped. When Ludolf Luke Walton always said, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kobe's gonna tell he's gonna stop you, I was like,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna stop me if he if he sticks me,
Speaker 1: I'm going one for a flat. And then what added
Speaker 1: to the fuel was Koran coming to the team. Well,
Speaker 1: he also and and Karan played with the Lakers and
Speaker 1: then he goes to play with you, and I read
Speaker 1: something somewhere where he said he preferred playing with you
Speaker 1: because he didn't have to think about shooting the basketball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he just should just tell stories about you know,
Speaker 1: Kobe was always open. He was always open. There's no
Speaker 1: triple team, double team. He was always open. So every
Speaker 1: time he got the ball, he always And so when
Speaker 1: you get the ball, you're already looking because you hear
Speaker 1: the sound. You know, he'll make sounds like he's open
Speaker 1: for you to swing the ball to him. So he said,
Speaker 1: you never felt comfortable when you got the ball because
Speaker 1: Kobe was already screaming for So this game is fun too, because, uh,
Speaker 1: Kwame Brown, same draft as you. He's picked first overall,
Speaker 1: you're pick thirty first, right, you guys are playing against
Speaker 1: each other. He's on the Lakers in this game with
Speaker 1: Kobe Yep, did you guys already hate each other? No? Really, no, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't like it was it was one of those
Speaker 1: things that he was. He got traded to the other team.
Speaker 1: You know, we moved we moved on. It was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know we had a problem to it was
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty one. I did not know we had
Speaker 1: a problem from it. So I guess back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, we're in the playoffs. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say it's jealousy, but it clearly is. You know,
Speaker 1: he was the number one pick in Washington. Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: comes back, you know, takes a little bit of his shine.
Speaker 1: Also took a lot of pressure off of him. When
Speaker 1: Jordan leaves here, I come, you know, I come, I
Speaker 1: come in. Now you know, off that sixty five million
Speaker 1: dollar contract, I'm the highest paid player in the draft
Speaker 1: now in our draft, so I'm one notch above the
Speaker 1: number one pick. Now you know I won the first
Speaker 1: award in the draft. So, you know, we had a
Speaker 1: we had a decent first year together. You know, I
Speaker 1: was heard, you know, the offense was you know, different
Speaker 1: for everyone. Our second year together, he's he didn't start
Speaker 1: the season with us. He was hurt, broke his foot
Speaker 1: in the summer right before training camp. So Antoine Jamison
Speaker 1: uh gets traded to us during that summer. So me
Speaker 1: and Antoine are back together. Me, Antoine and Larry back together.
Speaker 1: Who who were my veterans in Golden State. So we
Speaker 1: were moving. So by the time Kwame comes back, he's
Speaker 1: not part of the rotation. He's not really you know,
Speaker 1: he don't have the offense down. He's out of shape.
Speaker 1: He's trying to figure this out. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: the crowd don't care about none of that, so they're
Speaker 1: booing them, you know, at home, they're just booing them.
Speaker 1: So he didn't really feel comfortable playing at home, you know.
Speaker 1: Towards the end of the season, you know, we're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what our lineup's going to be. He never,
Speaker 1: he never, he never actually started. He never got his
Speaker 1: starting position back. Jared Jefferies basically seal that. So going
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. We started off playing in Chicago. We
Speaker 1: dropped O two. I go to the papers. Please do
Speaker 1: not boot Kwame Brown. We need all of our booze
Speaker 1: to be towards the visitors, towards Chicago. I know, but
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love it. We
Speaker 1: all love that they booted us out of this. You know,
Speaker 1: they booed us out of the arena. We didn't need
Speaker 1: this negativity, you know, we didn't need it. So coach
Speaker 1: decided that he was going to play Eton first, which
Speaker 1: which was the backup the backup, backup center is playing well,
Speaker 1: you know, basically his best game of his career was
Speaker 1: that Game three at home we won. Kwame only played
Speaker 1: three minutes. And then that's where it kind of like ruffled.
Speaker 1: Is while we're doing media, so everyone celebrating. You know,
Speaker 1: you got sugar Foot over there fucking complaining like a
Speaker 1: little girl, talking about yet they're not passing me the ball,
Speaker 1: and you know it was it got it caught me
Speaker 1: off guard, like passing the ball? Did he even play?
Speaker 1: I didn't even play with him? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: He wasn't even in game with me today, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't have to I didn't have to pass
Speaker 1: on the ball. And then he said another comment. I
Speaker 1: was like, listen, every time we passed him the ball,
Speaker 1: he don't do ship with it, right, you don't. He
Speaker 1: don't do ship with it. And then he says something else,
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, we're better without him,
Speaker 1: all right, We're just better a out that dude over there.
Speaker 1: And that was our little riff. And he, yeah, he
Speaker 1: goes home, he gets drunk, doesn't show up the practice
Speaker 1: the next day. He basically quit. He quit on us.
Speaker 1: He basically trying to put an ultimatum, if Gilbert's playing,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play. Uh, I'm the All Star. I
Speaker 1: made the All Star issue. The fucker you talking about
Speaker 1: zero zero? That was wrong with him. It was just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That was just a ridiculous statement. And they're like, all right.
Speaker 1: So he basically quit and then he pulled one of
Speaker 1: those you know, I was, you know, I was afraid
Speaker 1: to go to practice because if I went to practice,
Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna slap somebody. Who's gonna slap me,
Speaker 1: Who's gonna slap me? Gonna slap me. But if he
Speaker 1: did try to come slap me out and probably ran.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, like, you know, he's big. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a really big guy. So I wasn't gonna stand
Speaker 1: there and be slapped. But you know, he said it,
Speaker 1: and you know I tried to address it, you know,
Speaker 1: try to pull the buff, tough guy. And then he apologized.
Speaker 1: I got him to apologize. Oh, I got him to apologize,
Speaker 1: and he said, no, it was the media. The media,
Speaker 1: they misconscrewed, you know my words. I didn't say I
Speaker 1: was gonna slap you. And then you know from the mayor.
Speaker 1: To be honest, that Game three was the last time
Speaker 1: I seen him, you know, because he didn't come back
Speaker 1: for the rest of the playoffs, and then we traded
Speaker 1: him in the summer for Karan and Chucky Ackins. See.
Speaker 1: I grew up a Warriors fan and I remember you
Speaker 1: were there. It was you and j Rich, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: me j so my first Troy. Now, how come they
Speaker 1: got you out of there? Was there beef beef between
Speaker 1: you and Jay Rich? No? No, no, Jay Rich was
Speaker 1: Jay Rich was my brother. What happened? Because I was
Speaker 1: kicking myself in the head where you become age zero,
Speaker 1: I'm like, where the fuck is he? On the Warriors?
Speaker 1: What the fuck is this? Yeah, so back then, no
Speaker 1: second rounder played past the mid level exception. So the
Speaker 1: most they can pay me was forty nine million, so
Speaker 1: they couldn't have They couldn't actually afford me anymore. Okay,
Speaker 1: So because they couldn't afford me, and I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do one of those Joe Smith's deals, under those
Speaker 1: one under the table deals, so I I ended up.
Speaker 1: You know, they just couldn't They just couldn't match. They
Speaker 1: just couldn't match what Washington and other teams was offering.
Speaker 1: So you know, departured. But you know, because of that,
Speaker 1: they changed the rule and made a Gilberterenas rule where
Speaker 1: if your second round player gets offered more than you
Speaker 1: can afford, then you're allowed to match him without going
Speaker 1: over the luxury tax. Jolbert, do you mind just pushing
Speaker 1: your camera a little back, just adjusted a little bit? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: oh sorry, hold on. Yeah. So yeah, that's a crazy rule.
Speaker 1: I mean it is crazy to think of you as
Speaker 1: a second round pick. I mean you have got to
Speaker 1: be one of the all time steals. You think of
Speaker 1: guys who got picked, who is in the second one?
Speaker 1: You Ginobili, Draymond and Jokic Jokic is a big one. Yeah, probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the best. So he's hard with the eurost get
Speaker 1: a real evaluation who they're playing out there, you know, well,
Speaker 1: is like he still looks fat and he's the best
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I mean's the MVP twice, you know.
Speaker 1: The I to be honest, the NBA draft and the
Speaker 1: NFL draft, I just think it's horseshit because you can't
Speaker 1: evaluate someone's mental You can't evaluate pure talent instinct, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, me running a four to one forty doesn't
Speaker 1: mean I can catch the fucking ball. Doesn't mean I
Speaker 1: have quick feet laterally, Like it just doesn't. And same
Speaker 1: thing with basketball. If if I'm a top five pick
Speaker 1: and you never, like I never get to go against
Speaker 1: the other four that's in front of me or other
Speaker 1: guards to really see what my my motor is when
Speaker 1: I have competition facing me, then you can you can
Speaker 1: get lost. Some players that has that, it can get
Speaker 1: lost in the draft. And they also can't measure that
Speaker 1: little thing that's in you. It's called the dog. They
Speaker 1: can't measure that goddamn fucking dog. Yes, you're right, and
Speaker 1: that's and that's why they That's why you know, so
Speaker 1: many great players slip through the draft because they they
Speaker 1: don't have it down to a science. And this dog
Speaker 1: was on display this night. First quarter, you start off
Speaker 1: pretty hot. You have twelve points, six for nine from
Speaker 1: the field, three assists. Kobe's only got two. Are you
Speaker 1: from that point on are you already feeling like you're
Speaker 1: about to have some heat? Are you feeling good or
Speaker 1: are you still in that focused mindset? You know usually
Speaker 1: you know, as a score you know, I try to
Speaker 1: break it down in periods, so I don't really get
Speaker 1: too fond on how I'm doing in the first period.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, I just you know, one layup,
Speaker 1: one to three, a free throw, you know, that's usually
Speaker 1: my my my, my goal. So I'm not stressing about
Speaker 1: scoring or not scoring. So you know, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: first quarter, you know, average quarter, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: said nine points is average quarter, Like that's an average quarter,
Speaker 1: you know, not a second quart. Order is his own quarter.
Speaker 1: So I mean going against the guy like Kobe, who
Speaker 1: are the other guys in the league at this point,
Speaker 1: They're like, I want to get up for this game.
Speaker 1: I want to show up. Okay, it's not. It's not
Speaker 1: that you want to get up. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: get up. You got Iverson, Yeah, you got got Ai.
Speaker 1: You have Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, I mean just the
Speaker 1: way he played defense, So you you really had to
Speaker 1: be focused the whole San Antonio Spurs defense. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, got you mentally prepared. You know, the young
Speaker 1: Chris Paul and Darren Williams. Uh, you know, you never
Speaker 1: get about Darren Williams. He was a big, big, big,
Speaker 1: big plaint guard for the most part. That was really
Speaker 1: it in my position. Most of those those really hard
Speaker 1: to guard guys with shooting guards, and you know, I
Speaker 1: had a different defensive player and DeShawn Stevenson that that
Speaker 1: tired himself out on that you scored. I scored. That
Speaker 1: was my job. I got paid to score. Yeah, Deshaun
Speaker 1: great defender. I mean, I mean you also play with
Speaker 1: Larry Hughes. You play with some really great defensive Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I played with great. I played with great
Speaker 1: you know, great guys that really buckle down on defense.
Speaker 1: So you're going in a halftime, the Wizards are up,
Speaker 1: You're you're playing some good ball. What do you think
Speaker 1: going in a halftime in a game like this, you
Speaker 1: know usually can't sleep on Kobe. Probably you're like, we
Speaker 1: got ten points, we can't sleep on them. Yeah, yea.
Speaker 1: With Kobe's usually you have to worry about the second
Speaker 1: half and that fourth quarter because you know those last
Speaker 1: five minutes is just all Kobe. So you know, coming
Speaker 1: into halftime, you're always mentally, just with any great superstar,
Speaker 1: that if they're not having the first first great hal
Speaker 1: be pared, be prepared for a dominant second half. So
Speaker 1: you want to have some type of cushion, you know,
Speaker 1: you know going into the fourth quarter, last five minutes.
Speaker 1: So going into the halftime, you know, you know it's
Speaker 1: one of those good half boys. You know, we still
Speaker 1: gotta come out there and and and execute, you know,
Speaker 1: defensively and offensively. Knowing that you know that that those
Speaker 1: last five minutes, you know the Mamba is going to
Speaker 1: be trying to will this team to this victory. So
Speaker 1: you come out of half and exactly what you think
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. Kobe starts picking it up. He gets
Speaker 1: sixteen points, you you tally up twelve. You're still balling
Speaker 1: at this point. I mean, I was watching this game
Speaker 1: because we were we watched it. You were hitting everything
Speaker 1: from that remember that side step, Yeah, free he had
Speaker 1: like you were hitting it from every angle. Did you
Speaker 1: know you had to just keep on going, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to hit everything tonight because this joker is
Speaker 1: about to get hot. No, I mean, you know, are
Speaker 1: you just playing the game, just just playing a game
Speaker 1: at this point, because you know, at this point we're
Speaker 1: all playing well as a as a unit. Yeah, Karana
Speaker 1: is hitting shots, and Antoine's hitting shots, Brendan Haywood is
Speaker 1: doing this thing. So you know, as a whole unit,
Speaker 1: we're all playing pretty well. So you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was still just just a normal It was, you know,
Speaker 1: an above average night. You gotta remember, I'm imaging twenty
Speaker 1: this twenty nine. I imagining twenty nine, so you know
Speaker 1: it's you know, twenty nine is stilled in average night,
Speaker 1: that's your average. So you know it's still you know, average,
Speaker 1: a little bit above average going into that fourth quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, and then Kobe kind of shortens. Is he
Speaker 1: talking ship while he's doing this to you? Is he
Speaker 1: sending you messages through Luke Walton? Is anything coming your
Speaker 1: way from him? No? So he did. He did try
Speaker 1: to bait me, and the bait was, so you're just
Speaker 1: the one sided player. Huh. So, so wont you guard
Speaker 1: me like I'm guarding you so you can put me
Speaker 1: in a post? Why would I want to just sit
Speaker 1: in the post the whole fucking gait like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a post offender, like, because that's what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do. He wanted to beat me up in
Speaker 1: the post so he can tire me on the post,
Speaker 1: so I don't have no offense. So I said, noah, no,
Speaker 1: thank you, right, and then I did get on him
Speaker 1: one time, and obviously he scored, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, DeShawn, that's that's your duty, Brom, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tire him out on this part, you know, and on
Speaker 1: this side of the court. So that was the only
Speaker 1: thing he really said. So, Kobe trying to bait you
Speaker 1: in and you have a shot. Were you pissed you
Speaker 1: had that shot to hit that buzzer or are you
Speaker 1: thinking I'm getting more I'm gonna get that stat. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pad them stats even more now. No, you know
Speaker 1: you had that buzzer. I thought I did too, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it game winner? Like game winner in l
Speaker 1: a because I had about two hundred tickets. You're from there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I had all my high school, my high school
Speaker 1: basketball JV. Varsity, you know, b's and c's. You know.
Speaker 1: My high school coach, Harold Levine, brung the whole, you know,
Speaker 1: basically the whole basketball program, you know, to the game.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm about to I'm about to
Speaker 1: do this, this is it. And on the pull up,
Speaker 1: it just didn't feel right. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: like I hesitated on on on just a natural jump shot,
Speaker 1: thinking he was gonna jump, but I was moving backwards
Speaker 1: and just you know, just the angle was off, you know,
Speaker 1: so you know, I blew it. It's almost kind of cool.
Speaker 1: It was a great It was a great miss Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you miss it. You're only going to give
Speaker 1: the two hundred people you got tickets for a better show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But listen, when you when you're when you when you're
Speaker 1: on the road and you have a chance to win
Speaker 1: that game, you want to just win it right there
Speaker 1: for sure. And but I mean, you got through two
Speaker 1: hundred people that you brought, you got Jack Nicholson courtside.
Speaker 1: Is it kind of fun to drop sixty and You're
Speaker 1: like American icon right there. This is pretty cool. No,
Speaker 1: I mean after after after the game, once I realized
Speaker 1: I had sixty, you know, scoring sixty was the movie Stars.
Speaker 1: At that point did not matter. I scored sixty points
Speaker 1: on Kobe Bryant. That's that's all that registered inside the
Speaker 1: inside the brain at that moment. Did you ever ever
Speaker 1: talk to anyone in the crowd, Harry, you ever fuck
Speaker 1: with anyone in the crowd. I remember some dude got
Speaker 1: on my haircut in Philadelphia once and I had to
Speaker 1: It's like, fuck this guy. No, no, no, I used
Speaker 1: to I used to talk. I used to talk the crowd.
Speaker 1: That was my thing. I used to like. I used
Speaker 1: to say, Oh, he's gonna he's he's going to get
Speaker 1: it because of you. He's going to get it because
Speaker 1: you paid to see him. He's about to get all
Speaker 1: of all of these points. I'm not passing it no more.
Speaker 1: I'll do that. You gotta have that villain, Sorry, Gilbert,
Speaker 1: with these your least favorite jerseys to wear it, because
Speaker 1: this was a tough error for jerseys. Some of these
Speaker 1: the gold and black, not my favorites. What you like it?
Speaker 1: I was heat you like the man? I was heat.
Speaker 1: You guys are gold black in the uniform. I know,
Speaker 1: but it had the stars, It had the stars on
Speaker 1: It just made me feel like I'm a star. Every
Speaker 1: time I wore that dealers, I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: made it just made me feel good. Every time I
Speaker 1: wore that jersey, someone got the ass busted. You did
Speaker 1: not want to see me in the gold. So we
Speaker 1: you talked about Kwame. Were there any other players that
Speaker 1: you were like, I just don't like this dude. Like teammates, no,
Speaker 1: I mean anything, teammates, opponents, anyone we were like, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't like this guy. I want to mess
Speaker 1: this dude up on the court. On the court. Yeah, not, no, no, no, nothing.
Speaker 1: I never had any personal problems with you know, any
Speaker 1: players on the court. I never took it personal, no
Speaker 1: matter how dirty they were. It kind of actually made
Speaker 1: me play. Who was the dirtiest believe it or not?
Speaker 1: John Stockton, Oh I believe it. He's like a QAnon guy.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Of course? Dirty? Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: my first two years, I'm like, Yo, this dude is
Speaker 1: just dirty player. Bro's just he's just dirty, Like like
Speaker 1: he pull he'll pull you elbow you knee, you like,
Speaker 1: he do all of them. He did all of that.
Speaker 1: The short shorts were just a disguise to get your
Speaker 1: mind off of how dirty he was. Yeah he was.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm glad I didn't
Speaker 1: play in the eighties. This is this is this is
Speaker 1: not it's not basketball right here? Who else was dirty?
Speaker 1: Who else was a dirty player? Usually it was more
Speaker 1: bigs like like Reggie Evans, uh, players like that. Guards
Speaker 1: weren't listen most players. Most players that just were were
Speaker 1: just not very good. Skilled players were usually the dirty
Speaker 1: players like Bruce Boyn was considered the dirty player. But
Speaker 1: try hard guys didn't. It didn't. It didn't work on me.
Speaker 1: It didn't that his his waight of what two o five,
Speaker 1: you know, like him, Roger Bill, like the stuff they
Speaker 1: were doing with Kobe. They didn't really I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't really get that treatment. Well, you finished the game.
Speaker 1: I mean you were clearly on our tests, our test
Speaker 1: metaworld piece. He was at the comedy show this weekend,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, oh shit, run
Speaker 1: our tests in the crowd. But he came to the
Speaker 1: late show, so I was hammered. So I flubbed the opener,
Speaker 1: and I was like, fuck, I'm bombing for run our tests.
Speaker 1: I turned it around, but I was like, man, bomber.
Speaker 1: So you go out and you outscore Kobe. Sixty points
Speaker 1: are sixteen in overtime. He only has four legendary game
Speaker 1: you find out you have sixty. There's there's some talk
Speaker 1: that was there. Did you guys have a phone call
Speaker 1: after this? Did he call you or something? Or am
Speaker 1: I just getting terrible info? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. So so
Speaker 1: what ends up happening is so when we go into
Speaker 1: locker room, you know, I'm all excited, right, you know,
Speaker 1: I scored sixty points on Kobe and coach says yeah,
Speaker 1: and we want to get He's like, and we won
Speaker 1: the game. I said, man, fuck that game, Kobe. Do
Speaker 1: you really think I cared about the game winning the game? No,
Speaker 1: I just scored sixty on Kobe. So everybody's laughing and stuff,
Speaker 1: and we're getting on the bus and some of the
Speaker 1: some of what he said came out like, oh, he
Speaker 1: had no conscious, he doesn't have a conscious. So I
Speaker 1: changed my name to I don't have a conscious. And
Speaker 1: then Karan gets on the phone and we're just jab
Speaker 1: going back and forth. Oh, We're just going back and forth.
Speaker 1: And and I remember Brendan Hay was say, telling you
Speaker 1: the mongoose, you tell that man, I'm the black mongoose
Speaker 1: because I guess I guess that's the rival, the mongoose
Speaker 1: and the mamba. No one knows this, but the mongoose
Speaker 1: will fuck a mamba up. Dude. They also have good
Speaker 1: Have you watched YouTube video YouTube of video of a
Speaker 1: mongoose versus a snake. The mongoose wins, dude, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what's so funny. It's like that is like the equal
Speaker 1: like so it's like a fifty to fifty battle between
Speaker 1: the two. So when I I yelled out, He's like,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll see, I'll be I'll be there when
Speaker 1: I come there. Have that same energy, have that same
Speaker 1: energy when I come there. But yeah, I will. Would
Speaker 1: you have rather will? Would you rather have dropped eighty
Speaker 1: with an l against the Lakers and Kobe eight eighty eighty? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's Kobe Bryan. I probably you know
Speaker 1: it's it's like scoring four touchdowns, five touchdowns. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, bragging, right, So I'll take the listen, I'll
Speaker 1: take the eighty points and the loss because I know
Speaker 1: that eighty points is going to irritate him the rest
Speaker 1: of his life. Is this the is this? Was this
Speaker 1: your most Was this your favorite game of your career? No?
Speaker 1: Which one of my favorite game was? It was two
Speaker 1: games later. It was in Phoenix when I dropped fifty four.
Speaker 1: You were hot. I remember you got on a hot streak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So with that, it was more impersonal thing because if
Speaker 1: you watch the Redeem Team, you'll you'll see glimpse of
Speaker 1: me in it. I was I was number ten, and
Speaker 1: I felt that because this was a Nike event, I
Speaker 1: thought they were kind of like biased against Adida players.
Speaker 1: So you know, I wasn't fairly judged in my mind,
Speaker 1: because you know, I was part of the second unit,
Speaker 1: and I was the best player in the second unit.
Speaker 1: Like I did everything for the second unit, Like the
Speaker 1: only reason we competed with the with the first unit
Speaker 1: was because of me. Like if we won games against
Speaker 1: the first unit, it was because of me. Like they
Speaker 1: just Kirk Heinrich and Bruce boy and and just gave
Speaker 1: me the ball and let me just camera that unit.
Speaker 1: It was basically like a one man It was a
Speaker 1: one man wrecking show against the starting unit. Who else
Speaker 1: is on that lineup? Who who are the bigs and
Speaker 1: on my team? I had Antoine Jamison, I had Brad Miller,
Speaker 1: I had Shane Daddy A. I might have had Bosh
Speaker 1: with me, but I don't think I had Bosher. I
Speaker 1: think Boscher was on that side. Joe Johnson was on
Speaker 1: that side, Chris Paul was on that side. So I hadn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you see, you see where someone like me is in heaven.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I they told me that I'm on the
Speaker 1: bubble of making the team because I pulled my groin,
Speaker 1: you know, slight pool. So I was nervous, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I don't and this I was.
Speaker 1: I was being polite, I was being a real teammate.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I think I pulled my
Speaker 1: growing and I don't want to hold up a position
Speaker 1: for someone else to make this That's how cocky I was.
Speaker 1: Now for someone else to make this team, because I
Speaker 1: don't know how long I'm gonna be out or this
Speaker 1: is going to be lingering. And uh, Clanjo was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: don't worry, You're on a bubble anyway, yeah, uh uh okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Oh okay, I'm out of here. That was
Speaker 1: the shortest flight I've ever had. The derage of what
Speaker 1: he said, like, I'm on, I'm on a bubble. You
Speaker 1: got Shane Batty on that team, Bruce Bowen's on that team,
Speaker 1: and I'm on, I'm on a bubble. I'm the only
Speaker 1: two time All NBA player on that team and I'm
Speaker 1: on the bubble. That's all. I was just running through
Speaker 1: my head the whole time. And I remember I went
Speaker 1: to mcmannimon and he was my ghost writer at the
Speaker 1: time for my blog, and I remember I went to
Speaker 1: him and right before was it was it Greece? No?
Speaker 1: Was it was it Grease who he lost to in
Speaker 1: two thousand and six? No name, So right before they
Speaker 1: lost the Argentina, So right before the game. So I
Speaker 1: did the article. It was just a straight it was
Speaker 1: a straight Tupac moment. You know, I'm going to you know,
Speaker 1: if I can go back to college. I was scoring
Speaker 1: like sixty on Coach K. You know when I when
Speaker 1: we played the Blazers. When we play the Suns, I'm
Speaker 1: scoring fifty against them. And I also said in the
Speaker 1: article you can ask Day, I said, the way coach
Speaker 1: K is running his lineup they're not winning gold, right,
Speaker 1: They're not winning gold. Because he had all the shooters
Speaker 1: on the bench and had all the drivers and slashers
Speaker 1: that you know in the starting lineup, which made the
Speaker 1: court congested for them. And then right before the game,
Speaker 1: right before he was gonna like air it, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, just take that part out. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be that guy. I don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 1: But everyone just hates because I said that, you know,
Speaker 1: So he took he took it out. And then I
Speaker 1: remember in the morning, I woke up and said, Yo,
Speaker 1: they lost. I was like ooh, I said, I hope
Speaker 1: this never gets out that I said that. So when
Speaker 1: we when we went to Phoenix, fifty's on my mind everyone,
Speaker 1: the whole team though y'all, y'all ain't get y'all are
Speaker 1: not getting the ball. Okay, don't even ask for the ball.
Speaker 1: Don't look for the ball if you're open, and I
Speaker 1: missed you it was on purpose. Okay, fifty is in
Speaker 1: my brain tonight, so everyone knew. I was tuned in.
Speaker 1: We're in layup line. We're in layup line, and I
Speaker 1: got my mad face on, like yeah, and then Tony says, hey,
Speaker 1: arenas you're gonna need more than fifty to beat us.
Speaker 1: So at this point, they're in an eighteen game winning streak.
Speaker 1: So they're in an eighteen game winning streak, and they're
Speaker 1: the number one team in the NBA at the point.
Speaker 1: So when he said that, I was like, don't worry,
Speaker 1: I will I'm gonna score more than fifty. Then went
Speaker 1: out there had fifty four and one. That was like,
Speaker 1: you know, like that was a cool Suns team too.
Speaker 1: I mean that was the fast paced Nashamari Sean Marion.
Speaker 1: I mean that that was a tough team. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: team was. I mean, you know, the runoff eighteen games,
Speaker 1: you know, just let you know how like mentally focused
Speaker 1: that team was, how together they were. That's just really
Speaker 1: hard to do in the NBA. You know, ten games
Speaker 1: is ten games. Fucking five games is hard. Let alone,
Speaker 1: you know, eighteen games. It just means you're not you're
Speaker 1: really dowed in as a unit, and you're learning how
Speaker 1: to win games you don't supposed to win, like you know,
Speaker 1: like the fourth game in five nights, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: scheduled losses, like games like that you're supposed to lose,
Speaker 1: and the fact that you know a team like that
Speaker 1: was running off eighteen game winning streaks was just amazing.
Speaker 1: Had life change for all silly Gilly after you hit
Speaker 1: sixty and then fifty four? Was did life change? Did
Speaker 1: you have an uptick? What was going on? Every you're
Speaker 1: getting video game covered? I mean, what's going on? That
Speaker 1: was a rock star baby like I was. It was
Speaker 1: like a rock You couldn't you couldn't tell me nothing.
Speaker 1: I even put in a rule with the team. It was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a hard rule, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: a rule, if you don't make five million dollars, do
Speaker 1: not talk to me directly. I am a superstar. Now, well, Gilbert,
Speaker 1: this interview was over. It was it was like talk
Speaker 1: to someone who makes five million. If they make five million,
Speaker 1: then they relate a message. Walton, Yeah, so it was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those where you know, at that time,
Speaker 1: we were just all just we were just all as
Speaker 1: a unit, just having fun. Like we felt like like real,
Speaker 1: like there's some teams you're on and you're NBA team,
Speaker 1: but you don't feel like an NBA team. We felt
Speaker 1: like we were an NBA team. Like we were going
Speaker 1: places there's there's people standing outside and you know, waiting
Speaker 1: for you. You know, it's like we're we made it.
Speaker 1: We're We're to the point where I'm famous enough to
Speaker 1: have people wait at two in the morning. We got
Speaker 1: a problem to stay focused. I mean, you have this
Speaker 1: celebrity now and you is a team going out and
Speaker 1: partying too much because you because you can. You know,
Speaker 1: there's just certain cities you're gonna party in no matter what. Miami,
Speaker 1: you know, some guys go to Houston, Atlanta, La, New York, Boston.
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna find your hot spots to party
Speaker 1: and just let some air, you know, let your your
Speaker 1: hair down, especially if you have like a day off
Speaker 1: or something. But you have your party bowl. You have
Speaker 1: your party boys, you have your dinner guys, and then
Speaker 1: you have your you know, sit in the room movie guys.
Speaker 1: You know, you have a little bit of it. Got
Speaker 1: your strip club guys. You know, so you got you
Speaker 1: got your team doing what it does at a very
Speaker 1: high level. What guy were you day before the game?
Speaker 1: I was to sit in the room, order you know,
Speaker 1: room service and watch moviestimes. You diversify what kind of
Speaker 1: guy you were. You know, sometimes you were strip club guy,
Speaker 1: maybe right, not not the day before the game. Like,
Speaker 1: so it was I think I I learned a habit
Speaker 1: from Magic Johnson. He said it. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have sex the night before the game.
Speaker 1: Like I thought that was a real thing. So I'm oh,
Speaker 1: that's what Magic Johnson does. That's what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you you have these
Speaker 1: little things that you put in your brain that you
Speaker 1: heard from superstars, right, and you you know, you try
Speaker 1: to implement him in your life. So during the season,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, this is the season.
Speaker 1: This is when I need to be focused. So I'm
Speaker 1: only going to go out two times this year. So
Speaker 1: whoever's birthday is popping, I'm going to that one. The
Speaker 1: rest of y'all can just basically for off. You're, by
Speaker 1: the way, the first guest to use Magic Johnson as
Speaker 1: sex advice as a reference on this podcast. No one's
Speaker 1: done that ever. Also, I mean he must have if
Speaker 1: he didn't do it before a game, he must have
Speaker 1: put like two or three up on off days or something.
Speaker 1: He was a machine. Come on, you heard that, right?
Speaker 1: You heard him say that before. I've never heard that. Nineties.
Speaker 1: I remember in the in the show this week. But
Speaker 1: that's all I heard in the showtime book. I remember
Speaker 1: he loaned his car to a teammate and the car
Speaker 1: lit on fire and blew up, and he didn't even
Speaker 1: care about the car, but he was mad that a
Speaker 1: girl's number was in the glove compartment. That's how much
Speaker 1: ass magic got in the eighties. Wow, I mean that
Speaker 1: was before the apps. Couldn't just you know, you have
Speaker 1: to have a number. But you know how like the A. C.
Speaker 1: Green stories, he didn't have sex until he got Like
Speaker 1: those are the things that you know, when you're a kid,
Speaker 1: you listen to and you're like, this is what makes
Speaker 1: these guys great. We got to ask you because we
Speaker 1: had Shane Baddier on this podcast actually, and we talked
Speaker 1: about the Duke Arizona game. Straight trash, straight trash, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was what's your relation like with Shane? You know
Speaker 1: you were hurt that game, right, you were hurt? I was,
Speaker 1: I was hurt. I just hate all duke players, Like
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that you just if
Speaker 1: they came from Duke, you just naturally just hate them.
Speaker 1: And he was on a team that that defeated us.
Speaker 1: He was you know he was a great leader. You know,
Speaker 1: he he willed that team with his leadership. You know that,
Speaker 1: and the refs helped, but you know he was a
Speaker 1: great He was a great leader for that that dude team.
Speaker 1: Now did that? Did Coach k come try to mentor
Speaker 1: you guys after you guys lost to them? Because he
Speaker 1: was known to like go into losing teams like locker
Speaker 1: room and say, hey, guys, I just want to say,
Speaker 1: you guys had a great game, great game plan versus us,
Speaker 1: and you all are extraordinary young men. No, no, I
Speaker 1: don't think he was coming into the the Luke Walton
Speaker 1: idols and locker room, you know, making that type of speech. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Richard Jefferson said that you're the best player ever
Speaker 1: to come out of Arizona. Do you think he's right? No,
Speaker 1: that's no cap, that's facts, yeah, no doubt no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no cap. And I only played two years and and
Speaker 1: and you know I was the best. I was the
Speaker 1: best player that ever played for that team, because you
Speaker 1: got to remember I played with four all McDonald players,
Speaker 1: and I led the team to scoring. If is a
Speaker 1: really good team. If I didn't have three of them,
Speaker 1: I would have led the nation and scoring every year. Now, Gilly,
Speaker 1: did you did you take a pay cut for the
Speaker 1: first couple of years when you left Arizona. Oh, well,
Speaker 1: they can't do nothing to me now. It felt like
Speaker 1: it felt like it. It really felt like it, because
Speaker 1: it's not like we were getting paid from the school.
Speaker 1: And I didn't get any money from the school to boosters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not even not even boosters. It's the everyday people like
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm going to Sonics, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: the managers like milon as you play for Arizona, You're
Speaker 1: guild of arenas, Like I'm going to the mall. It's
Speaker 1: all nuts, don't worry about or here's a big discount,
Speaker 1: you know. So it was just the city itself of Tucson,
Speaker 1: you know, just looking out for you know, the players,
Speaker 1: and making sure that you know, we know you guys
Speaker 1: can't get jobs or get paid, so we're gonna as
Speaker 1: a community, we're going to help you guys out. So
Speaker 1: I didn't really pay for anything. It didn't say and
Speaker 1: you guys didn't get paid when you're making the school
Speaker 1: money like that. The Florida football guys that I played
Speaker 1: with for a long time, they were always complaining about
Speaker 1: the pay cuts, so it never happened at ken State.
Speaker 1: I went to a shitty school. Do you think this
Speaker 1: game is Richard Jefferson's fault because I've heard you say
Speaker 1: that before, yes, like like no, listen, he doesn't think so,
Speaker 1: because he had his best game of a tournament, right,
Speaker 1: it was his best game of a tournament. I really
Speaker 1: I'm really like disappointed with how they draft and how
Speaker 1: did he make the lottery or right after the lottery
Speaker 1: when he averaged ten points all three years of college
Speaker 1: exactly ten? Like he didn't move up, like he didn't
Speaker 1: get better. So how did this guy become a lottery pick?
Speaker 1: So because he had a his best game of his career.
Speaker 1: But the guy who was guarding also had the best
Speaker 1: game of his tournament life, dune Leavy. Dun' leavy was
Speaker 1: having a horrible tournament and he goes off like dun
Speaker 1: Leavy literally beat us that game three straight three is right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: fell like ten, fell like ten. We got to get
Speaker 1: back to the sixty point game. We you know our
Speaker 1: podcast his name is Games of Names. What do we
Speaker 1: name this game? Which we name it? Hm? Hm the
Speaker 1: speed limit? I hit the speed limit on him? Speed
Speaker 1: lib Well, I mean there is, I mean there is.
Speaker 1: The speed limit on the freeway is sixty, right, sixty five,
Speaker 1: some places seventy and others, but a lot of places sixty,
Speaker 1: I do believe. Yeah, Okay, see there you go right there.
Speaker 1: You can never hit sixty in LA though. The cars
Speaker 1: never moved, And that's why it's called the speedlight speed
Speaker 1: so much goddamn traffic out there. You ain't going sixty
Speaker 1: unless you unless you're agent zero. Yeah. See, it's hard
Speaker 1: to do. That's why only two people has done it.
Speaker 1: Me and what Chamberlain will the still what did we
Speaker 1: miss anything about this game or about just this time
Speaker 1: in the NBA? You know, I mean, it's just one
Speaker 1: of those times where when you look at today's game
Speaker 1: and you're saying it's a faster game. When we had
Speaker 1: an era where you have a guy who have thirty five,
Speaker 1: a guy who have a thirty three, thirty one, and
Speaker 1: I'm at I'm fourth in scoring at twenty nine. This
Speaker 1: is almost this is what's fifteen years ago, and we're
Speaker 1: in a faster paced game today. It lets you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it lets you know like something, something's not
Speaker 1: really adding up a lot of three balls just a
Speaker 1: lot of three balls? Is that up? Yeah? It's who
Speaker 1: do you like? Now? I like a little bit of everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really have favorite, you know, so
Speaker 1: I like, you know, Job like Luca Joker, Tatum Brown,
Speaker 1: you know, of course, Kyrie, Katie, Lebron, Curry, Love Booker
Speaker 1: over there, Trey Young, Game letterc h basically all the superstars,
Speaker 1: just you know, just you know Ben Simmons, you know,
Speaker 1: I just I like the way he plays the game.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he just doesn't do what he can't do.
Speaker 1: If he can't do it, he's not gonna do it
Speaker 1: no matter, you know. Like I would love playing with
Speaker 1: a guy who who really don't want to shoot like that,
Speaker 1: you know, a guy who's just gonna get me the
Speaker 1: ball the whole time. Like you're like, dude, you're an
Speaker 1: NBA player. Should he's his form. It's like weird when
Speaker 1: a guy like that his form looks right and he
Speaker 1: just doesn't ever take it. You know. I was so funny.
Speaker 1: I've watched him train weeks of it and he's a
Speaker 1: good shooter, Like he's he's actually a good shoot. Like
Speaker 1: I sat there and and just watch him, and I'm
Speaker 1: like I'm looking at his phone and looking at his feet,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the hell's going on with you?
Speaker 1: Like why isn't it translating to the game. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you have this in football, but there's
Speaker 1: just certain type of players that just can't shoot, and
Speaker 1: it's because of their speed. They're too fast. I don't
Speaker 1: it sounds like a weird thing. Well, it's like catching
Speaker 1: the ball fast. It's like catching the ball. Some guys
Speaker 1: are too fast to catch the ball. Their eyes are bouncing,
Speaker 1: they can't concentrate in a high pressure situation and they're
Speaker 1: white ass open, but they're running so fast, arms up.
Speaker 1: They don't catch the ball. They don't. It's a focus factor.
Speaker 1: It's tough. You get the yes. Sometimes, you know, confidence
Speaker 1: goes a long way and catch let them or in
Speaker 1: shooting that was like you always had like you know,
Speaker 1: everyone drops the ball. And then sometimes you're like, damn,
Speaker 1: that fucks up your confidence. You got to get out
Speaker 1: of that. You know. It's like anything, but you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to shake shit off. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: like like if you look at it, if you go
Speaker 1: like through history, like you look at Jason Kidd, right,
Speaker 1: super fast, couldn't shoot you got, you know, your Westbrooker.
Speaker 1: You have the shoot at the end, at the at
Speaker 1: the end of his career, kid On once they slowed down.
Speaker 1: Se when you're when you're taking that speed and you're
Speaker 1: going and you're letting your engine go and trying to
Speaker 1: stop and pull up a jumper doesn't work with you know.
Speaker 1: So you got the Ben Simmons, you got Westbrook, and
Speaker 1: that's their problem. They have too much speed and torque.
Speaker 1: So when they're trying to stop, it just messes up everything.
Speaker 1: So Westbrook shot has gotten worse. I think over time,
Speaker 1: right like that is the I felt like he was
Speaker 1: making a great stride around and when he was in
Speaker 1: ok see those those that third fourth year pulling up
Speaker 1: that mid range jumper, that little mid range jumper. It
Speaker 1: was like hitting consistently, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it just seems like he's pressing. He's just pressing. Now.
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, he's just he's just playing
Speaker 1: out of position at this point. You know, he's used
Speaker 1: to the ball, he's used to feeling it, getting to
Speaker 1: feel of it, getting you know, so the fact that
Speaker 1: you know when he does touch it is like one
Speaker 1: of those things, all right, I got to try to
Speaker 1: do something with it. Now, you know, more of like
Speaker 1: a two men, you know, type of skill, and he
Speaker 1: does not have that, and it just it's just throwing
Speaker 1: them off. It happens, believe it or not. It happened
Speaker 1: with Lebron when Lebron went When Lebron went to Miami
Speaker 1: that first year, and they started off the season oh
Speaker 1: to eight because Lebron was playing a natural three position
Speaker 1: where Bibby was the point, he was the three, and
Speaker 1: they just wasn't clicking. And they were like because they
Speaker 1: played against us, they got they win and they're run
Speaker 1: against us. They put Lebron at the point, put Bibby
Speaker 1: at the two on the offense so Lebron can have
Speaker 1: the ball coming full speed downhill. And then they went
Speaker 1: on a twenty two game winning streak. So note to self,
Speaker 1: if you're fast, you can't shoot bummer. Can't have it all,
Speaker 1: can't have it all. Gilly, We appreciate you coming on, man,
Speaker 1: you were electric. You're an electric player. You're entertained as fuck.
Speaker 1: What's your podcast name? No Chill with Gilbertarenas Everyone, Go
Speaker 1: listen to it, click subscribe on Footbow TV. Oh and
Speaker 1: I used to I have a combo. So you know,
Speaker 1: I was a Patriots fan. So yeah, so my combo
Speaker 1: I called you guys, MJ. So whenever you whenever you
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown, it was the MJ moment because it
Speaker 1: was twelve and eleven. So from me from twelve to eleven,
Speaker 1: MJ movin goat goat status was the golt status. I
Speaker 1: love it. Man. We used to have so we had
Speaker 1: play called Jordan and it was like, yeah, it's our
Speaker 1: go toube play. It was an empty formation. I'm on
Speaker 1: the right and I got a juke ride. I got
Speaker 1: like fifty two yards to basically get open and that
Speaker 1: was our And with seams you got Gronk. Down the
Speaker 1: seam you got you know, Marty b On the other
Speaker 1: seam you got Katie and on the outside like so
Speaker 1: we used to we used to always mix it up
Speaker 1: with some basketball term. I knew it. I'm so dumb
Speaker 1: that that took me. I thought, I just realized that
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. For a second, I was like, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: twelve and eleven year old. They got it's the goal,
Speaker 1: it's the gold. Well, now I get it. Now I
Speaker 1: Knowdan too. And then the fact that they had the
Speaker 1: play called it going to You legendary, legendary. Hey man,
Speaker 1: I'll have to get up on your podcast. One of
Speaker 1: these days. We'll have to have a no chill moment.
Speaker 1: We'll have Sam come on too. Yeah, hell, no problem,
Speaker 1: no problem, thank you, thank you for having me. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. Man. All right, all right, Fellas,
Speaker 1: he was great. He's he's he's a fun guy and
Speaker 1: he's and he is. No no shortage of confidence. No,
Speaker 1: it would have been crazy to see if he would
Speaker 1: have kept it together health wise. Yeah. How fucking like.
Speaker 1: He was unstoppable. He was boring ball he was, he was,
Speaker 1: he had it all. He could show it three years
Speaker 1: where it was like like get the fuck out of
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, I mean it was on the cover
Speaker 1: of eNB two K. It was live, I think live. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before live was Live was a lesser game. Yeah, two
Speaker 1: K was better. Live had its moment before two K existed,
Speaker 1: for sure. Live was the game. Yeah, and then two K,
Speaker 1: Dreamcats Amateurs, NBA jams was the real ship. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're fucking casual, man, NBA jam is fine. No K
Speaker 1: has fucking depth. Hell no, dude, I used to love
Speaker 1: like saying you prefer poly Shore movies the Citizen Kane,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about it? It's about biodome. Poly
Speaker 1: Shore is fun. I'm saying biodome what it was? Just
Speaker 1: thing Citizen game. It's a classic. What was it the
Speaker 1: wize I used to like poly Shore. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: meant about I liked NBA Jam. That is a very
Speaker 1: fair I mean it was Sega. We were like two gigabytes.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the the computer term is.
Speaker 1: We have nothing. He's eating up. NBA Jam is a classic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like Blitz. It didn't blitz category. I get it.
Speaker 1: Blitz is Blitz is a classic too, I know, but
Speaker 1: they're in the same is better than blitz. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: because you know two on two's gimmick. It's a gimmick.
Speaker 1: It's a gimmick. It's a gimmick, but it's not a traditional,
Speaker 1: like authentic, authentic type game. Jack, I see you NHL hits.
Speaker 1: I remember Wayne Gretzky three D Hockey. That ship was
Speaker 1: fun fights. That was the first game where you could
Speaker 1: beat the shit out of someone. That was great. Just
Speaker 1: hooking dudes, throwing checks. Never got into the NHL games.
Speaker 1: The good game a lot of guys. It was so fast.
Speaker 1: My dexterity wasn't there. But my initial reaction to this
Speaker 1: game is Gil Gilly, Silly Gilly. He's just entertaining. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a ideal guest on this show. Great stories. I
Speaker 1: mean coming out with Kobe, the fact that he got
Speaker 1: all excited when Kobe knew his name, having his boy
Speaker 1: talk shit to Kobe and then but he don't think
Speaker 1: he had his boy talk shit. I think that guy
Speaker 1: just like talks shit. Like can you imagine that you
Speaker 1: come in the league and your boy is just like,
Speaker 1: my man's gonna fuck you up? And Kobe's like, who
Speaker 1: are you? Like? That was insane. That story, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta keep the friends online. But then the
Speaker 1: end of the story is like he knew who arenas was?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of I remember I did a
Speaker 1: roast back in the day. I was twenty one years old.
Speaker 1: I did a Friars Club roast and I fucking bombed
Speaker 1: so hard I was. I went in cocky because there
Speaker 1: was like an audition to do it, and I killed
Speaker 1: the audition. So I was like, I'm fucking twenty one
Speaker 1: years old, What the fuck do I know. I go
Speaker 1: on and I eat shit on stage, and then a comic,
Speaker 1: Rich Voss goes on after me, and he's doing well
Speaker 1: and then he bombs one line. He goes, you fucker's
Speaker 1: better laugh. I'm bringing Sam back up. Oh and it
Speaker 1: And I was like wow. I was also like, it's
Speaker 1: pretty cool that he knows my name. Even I was
Speaker 1: sad as that so I was that young. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's cool knew what my name was. I fucking stunk.
Speaker 1: So you're you were the Gilbert Arenas in that situation.
Speaker 1: I was Gilbert in that story. Wow. Yeah, I kobe.
Speaker 1: Knowing who Arenas was is is pretty cool. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean there and then he really fucking knew who he was.
Speaker 1: He loved playing in LA That's the second guest we
Speaker 1: said that we we we've talked to that said he
Speaker 1: liked playing the bright Lights. Yeah, the celebs. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can say he's not he doesn't give a shit
Speaker 1: that Nicholson's there. But you're not gonna not get up
Speaker 1: for that game. Yeah, it's like seeing Spike in the
Speaker 1: fucking garden. Yeah, you see Spike in the garden, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh shit, exactly. You don't get to see
Speaker 1: that as much in football because all the celebrities are
Speaker 1: usually in boxes. That's a good point, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. There's no like, there's no intimacy that you
Speaker 1: get in basketball. That's the cool thing about out Like basketball,
Speaker 1: when you're playing in front of people, you can hear,
Speaker 1: you could go when you shit court side and stuff,
Speaker 1: you could hear what the game and all that when
Speaker 1: you're you don't get to experience that in football unless
Speaker 1: you're on the sideline. Yeah, very rarely do you get
Speaker 1: to be on that sideline. Jack Nicholson, he's in boxes
Speaker 1: after the game, Jack Nicholson sex joke. Go fucked a
Speaker 1: lot in the seventies and eighties and nineties. Two thousands
Speaker 1: to two. Bet he slowed down. He's eighty five. I
Speaker 1: hope he slowed down just for his ticker. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe that he said he rather lose and score eighty.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. The honesty is great that he'd like,
Speaker 1: I want eighty because he knew it would bother Kobe
Speaker 1: more than a win. Yeah, although I don't know Kobe
Speaker 1: wanted to win it all callts he I don't would
Speaker 1: do you think Kobe would say the same thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think he would. I think Kobe would rather have
Speaker 1: sixty and win. I was always the kind of guy
Speaker 1: if I was alling out and it was a close game,
Speaker 1: I was just praying that we won the game, because
Speaker 1: you don't, you can't feel good about it. No, right,
Speaker 1: it well doesn't matter. No one remembers lost shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even if you go off like look at like Gabriel
Speaker 1: last year and the playoffs had four touchdowns. That's fucking
Speaker 1: insane against the Kansas City Chiefs in the divisional round
Speaker 1: and like we're talking about the Chiefs, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean you're talking about four in which I think was
Speaker 1: almost was that a record that could have been a record.
Speaker 1: We'll see Val Bundy, Shit Al Bundy. I love Al
Speaker 1: Bundy and in my pants on the couch Man classic peg.
Speaker 1: Do we hit the bulls of prop bet how many
Speaker 1: beefs we could bring up? Demolished? We demolish it? Well?
Speaker 1: We had Gilbert who just has so much The Kwame
Speaker 1: beef is maybe the most fun beef. I mean it
Speaker 1: didn't stop there either. We had John Stockton beef, which
Speaker 1: I love. This is an anti John Stockton podcast. Buck
Speaker 1: stock then Cohorts let's say basketball. He had beef with
Speaker 1: all of Duke basketball. He had beef with Yeah, he
Speaker 1: definitely went a batti batty, a little beef with NCAA refs,
Speaker 1: beef with the National Title game, Richard Jefferson, beef with
Speaker 1: RJ his own teammate, bef beef with the entire NBA
Speaker 1: draft system, which I love. That's true. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be angry that you go thirty
Speaker 1: one and Kwame go is one and you're like that, dude,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean when you I get it.
Speaker 1: But that that creates a chip on his shoulder, that
Speaker 1: made him play better, That makes him It's what makes
Speaker 1: agent zero, agent zero. You know exactly what's the legacy
Speaker 1: for this game? Just gild going off. We're doing. This
Speaker 1: is a regular season game. The steaks are non existent.
Speaker 1: It's just a cool game. We're watching hot this these
Speaker 1: like next few did he have fifteen like a couple
Speaker 1: other ones, like you said, fifty four in the Suns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they snapped an eighteen game. Oh, he had to
Speaker 1: hit a beef with the son's coach, Yep, D'Antoni at
Speaker 1: the Olympics or something. He had a beef with the
Speaker 1: Olympic system, and we can go on with the beefs.
Speaker 1: This is a lot of beef. Where's the beef? They
Speaker 1: had a beef with his microphone two for a while
Speaker 1: and the zipper on his jacket. That's true. That was
Speaker 1: a beef. He had a beef with the head the
Speaker 1: cordless headphones. That's true. He's a podcaster. How the fuck
Speaker 1: we knock at his audio? He had a beef with
Speaker 1: the camera on a podcast. The camera was on his
Speaker 1: neck for a while. I mean, the guy, he loves beef.
Speaker 1: He's my kind of guy. I like burgers. He was.
Speaker 1: I still like beef. I still think about this era
Speaker 1: and how much joy he gave me to watch him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he really was just fun to watch, just
Speaker 1: an incredible player. And then I think it underappreciated and
Speaker 1: somewhat forgotten player from this era. I think you don't
Speaker 1: hear his name enough for how good he was. And
Speaker 1: it goes into that category just like you know, bib.
Speaker 1: You know you don't win one, You're not really getting
Speaker 1: the recognition. There's only like a few. You have to
Speaker 1: be super elite for a long time, like Dan Marino
Speaker 1: or Charles Barkley for guys that didn't win it, sure
Speaker 1: that get remembered. Patrick Ewing, guy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys you have to you have
Speaker 1: to like, and I feel bad for those guys. John Stockton,
Speaker 1: Stockton Malone. I liked that they didn't win one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. Fuck the Utah Jazz Dude, I'm fucking Mitt
Speaker 1: Romney's dumb Khakis at his game with his jersey on.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about Utah. So like good people,
Speaker 1: and I do like the crowds there, but really nice people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot more diverse than I thought. Hooked up
Speaker 1: with the Mormon ones there and she was like blown
Speaker 1: away that I had body hair. She was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're so Jewish. And I was like, this
Speaker 1: is like the bar is so low. It's amazing. They're
Speaker 1: very Scandinavian out there. They are. They're very like blonde hair,
Speaker 1: blue eye. Oh yeah, Joseph smith Man, you come in
Speaker 1: whit you come and look at ethnic, look at ethnic.
Speaker 1: You know you're a looking Jew like me. They're just like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this? It's great. Sixty is the
Speaker 1: most anyone ever scored on Kobe so that is that
Speaker 1: is huge. That's you think about the great players who
Speaker 1: went against Kobe. You weren't getting it. Kobe took it personal.
Speaker 1: He did. You came to the Staples Center. This was
Speaker 1: in the Staples Center. He took it personally. And you
Speaker 1: know what do you call himself the black mongoose? Goilber's
Speaker 1: the black mongoose because the mongoose can eat the snake
Speaker 1: the mambas. I feel like he said fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: I feel like the mongoose owns a snake. We could
Speaker 1: look into that jack when we do, when we forget,
Speaker 1: But like, do you feel like the mongoose owns this snack?
Speaker 1: I just read that a lady went missing in like
Speaker 1: Indonesia and they found her in a boa constrictor's body. Damn.
Speaker 1: Like she's fifty four. Her husband saw a big fat
Speaker 1: snake like half of a body. It's gotta be a
Speaker 1: rough way to go. Just squeeze you to death and
Speaker 1: then it just swallows you. Is that how they do it?
Speaker 1: That's how they do it, damn or was it anaconda?
Speaker 1: It was one of the two, but regardless, that's crazy
Speaker 1: lasting image. Yeah, what's the image of sticks with the
Speaker 1: other game. To me, it's just almost like Gilbert and
Speaker 1: those ugly ass jerseys, which he thinks are awesome. He
Speaker 1: said he went off every time he was in them.
Speaker 1: He loved them. I think the I don't know how
Speaker 1: you guys feel. I think they're the most hideous jerseys.
Speaker 1: But it's gil and the ugly jersey just elevating with
Speaker 1: a jump shot. That's how that's the image to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd agree those jerseys are Do anyone else know, Jack,
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan. I mean, there's it almost goes
Speaker 1: in that category though, that they're so ugly, they're kind
Speaker 1: of cool now. I just I'm not a huge fan
Speaker 1: of any of the Wizard's jersey. I think the old
Speaker 1: Bullets jerseys, the Reds are pretty fucking up. Those are
Speaker 1: bad ass. Red, white and blue Bubs. You apparently you can,
Speaker 1: I don't. I think the Pats jerseys are cool, honestly,
Speaker 1: but I don't like the No. The classics are not bad.
Speaker 1: Classics are insane. Reds, Yeah, Reds are awesome. They Red
Speaker 1: is a cool jerse. The new ones are the blue
Speaker 1: on blue. I guarantee they won't be using those gray
Speaker 1: pants again because they hadn't worn them in two years
Speaker 1: or something, and they just got blown out on Monday
Speaker 1: Night football by the Chicago Cubs. I mean that's not
Speaker 1: their name, no, but they're kind of they're baby Bears. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't think of the eighty five Bears when you're
Speaker 1: looking at this this this Bears team. Let's just say that.
Speaker 1: And the Pats got blown out when we supposed to
Speaker 1: do Jay Cutler's podcast. What happened with that? Speaking of Bears,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I love Jay. Yeah, we never
Speaker 1: were supposed to do that. Jay is a likable Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Is it like as far as like they both have
Speaker 1: that kind of like arrogance, you know, like they both
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers away better quarterback, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, you know that Jay
Speaker 1: would call out his teammates. He just sat there like
Speaker 1: you had a cigarette, miserable face. Remember the cigarette memes
Speaker 1: that he always to have. He always had a cigarette
Speaker 1: in his mouth showed show. Uh. Yeah, what what do
Speaker 1: you make of this? Aaron Rodgers shit? Right now? I
Speaker 1: know this is like an Evergreen pop but I want
Speaker 1: to I mean it's pretty crazy, right, Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's there're different types of leadership skills. I guess look
Speaker 1: at it. Do you think this just should just started? Though?
Speaker 1: When they didn't retain Devonte Adams and he was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck, dude, Well, you can't retain someone when
Speaker 1: you get as big of a contract as as Aaron got.
Speaker 1: So so what do you think you think? I think
Speaker 1: he's about, you know, trying to make money right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like let's call a spade of spade. Yeah. Does he
Speaker 1: want championships? No, he got one twenty years ago, twelve,
Speaker 1: you know. And I love Aaron Rodgers of he's the
Speaker 1: most talented guy ever, but he's not ever. When you
Speaker 1: when you see the ball come off his hand, it's pretty.
Speaker 1: It's pretty sexy. More talented than Brady as far as
Speaker 1: like just straight pure throwing, and like it's just it's pretty.
Speaker 1: It's sexy. No, he's a great player, I'm not denying,
Speaker 1: But the thing is Brady like, he's more talented than
Speaker 1: Mahomes or Alan. I would say. His accuracy is pretty
Speaker 1: damn his arm is pretty elite. It's Peyton manning. Peyton
Speaker 1: Many wasn't known for his arm, really, He's more known
Speaker 1: for the cerebral sight. Of it. What do we forget, Jack,
Speaker 1: We got a couple here. Gabe Davis was indeed doesn't
Speaker 1: indeed hold the record for most TV receptions in a
Speaker 1: playoff game. Yeah right, brother, spot on over here in
Speaker 1: the nat GEO corner, the mongoose is practically guaranteed to
Speaker 1: win against a black mambas. So what I'm saying he
Speaker 1: said it was fifty to fifty, Yeah, mongoose, Droy's mambas.
Speaker 1: He's probably trying to be PC. I don't think that
Speaker 1: guy's PC. I don't think he's PC at all. I
Speaker 1: love I also love when Jules said that, Uh asked
Speaker 1: Gil if he made more money his last year at
Speaker 1: Arizona than his first year in the pros very basketball,
Speaker 1: shack making more money in college, very basketball. Very good question.
Speaker 1: It was an honest question. I mean, she's I've seen
Speaker 1: it basketball. We need to do a basketball episode of that.
Speaker 1: I am fighting to get Trey and matt On and
Speaker 1: we talked. I feel like they don't like that movie.
Speaker 1: They have to love it. I don't think they like it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love them. I
Speaker 1: think South Park, Bigger, Longer, and Uncut is a top
Speaker 1: five comedy of all time. It's a masterpiece everything of
Speaker 1: what they do. They're They're Phenomenalica Team America is great.
Speaker 1: They're no, they're the best. How did they have they
Speaker 1: not been thrown thrown out? Oh yet? Were grandfathered in? Dude?
Speaker 1: Grandfathered in? Yeah, dude, And if people try to throw
Speaker 1: them out, we will fucking rally in the streets. The
Speaker 1: mister Jackson ship is so funny on that damn show.
Speaker 1: So good. And then one mister Hanky, No, mister Jackson
Speaker 1: was Michael Jackson was a good one. Mister Jefferson and
Speaker 1: mister Jefferson, Mister Jefferson, I love Chef. I was so
Speaker 1: sad when Chef left, although the way they killed him
Speaker 1: off was pretty badass. It's sad though, because Isaac Hayes
Speaker 1: died and I feel like they never passed it up.
Speaker 1: Fucking scientology dude. Yeah, he was cool, making fun of
Speaker 1: everybody else, made fun of Jews, black people, Ethiopians. Can't
Speaker 1: let ya. And then one last on the those Saudi
Speaker 1: Nights Jerseys as we called him, Bill loved them. They
Speaker 1: only lasted three years. They're awful. I'm hilarious. He loved them.
Speaker 1: He loved them, He looked at us like we had
Speaker 1: a dick on our forehead. I know which I think
Speaker 1: would look better than those jerseys. Honestly, that's how bad.
Speaker 1: I would rather have a dick on my forehead than
Speaker 1: like an actual dick or a painted dick. Painted. I
Speaker 1: don't want actual. I didn't know we're going to dissect
Speaker 1: this one. I don't know. I just I was thinking
Speaker 1: about it. What's the name of the game. He called
Speaker 1: it the speed Limit Game, which I love. I love
Speaker 1: the name is sixty. I would think I'd think of
Speaker 1: it as Gilbert's sixty piece on Kobe. That's that's how
Speaker 1: I think of the game. But I do love the
Speaker 1: speed limit. What do you think the black Mongoose game?
Speaker 1: Black mongoose? All right, let's do it. Steaks. Steaks are
Speaker 1: nothing and a three and a half start. That's still
Speaker 1: Gilbert versus Kobe regular season. These were the two superstars.
Speaker 1: We're going three to five, Okay, but that's that's fair. No,
Speaker 1: Kyle of makes a good point. They were both five
Speaker 1: hundred teams. These aren't high school year? Is this? This was?
Speaker 1: Oh six six? You're right? I think I'm too eight.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're right. No steaks, No steaks. Star power is
Speaker 1: high because we got there was beef. Kobe steaks, but
Speaker 1: there was beef. That's my See, I hang out with
Speaker 1: the comic and I'm just getting fucking funnier by the second.
Speaker 1: That was clever. That was good. Okay, Kyler's trying to
Speaker 1: lower the score of everything today. I don't like this. Uh,
Speaker 1: star power is high, man. We got we got Kobe,
Speaker 1: we got Odum, we got Arenas Kron Butler. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's not shocking Kobe. No, we're not going that high.
Speaker 1: But Nicholson's there, he was there. Nicholson raises anything he gets,
Speaker 1: He gets you a point easy. He's like, he's like
Speaker 1: a he's like a four four point guy for the
Speaker 1: spread for like an NFL team. If he doesn't play,
Speaker 1: you're dropping four points in the spread. Or if he
Speaker 1: does play, you're getting for me. Is he Josh Allen
Speaker 1: right now for star power? Star power? No? For for
Speaker 1: points in the spread. I don't think he's Josh Allen
Speaker 1: high right now because this is in seventies, or because
Speaker 1: this was late two thousand. Oh dude, he's even bigger
Speaker 1: because it's like the Legend of Jack. I think two
Speaker 1: thousand and six Jack is even bigger, is it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: thinking about Chris, Chris Men was out there. Chris min
Speaker 1: is a big name, dude, star power. A seven point eight,
Speaker 1: that's fair. That's the first school. Kyler's alright, reluctant, all right, reluctant.
Speaker 1: Seven eight. Gameplay is a good game if we're just
Speaker 1: going pure gameplay over time, a comeback forty five from Kobe,
Speaker 1: sixty from I'm going like eight seven. If we're just
Speaker 1: doing gameplay, it's it's great. It was good. It was
Speaker 1: It was fun basketball, fun regular season basketball. The name
Speaker 1: is not high either. This is not going to be
Speaker 1: a high what's the name the Black Mongoos game. I
Speaker 1: like the name. It's funny. It does score points for
Speaker 1: being funny. It's not iconic. So how are we are
Speaker 1: we raking it ranking on being iconic or funny? The
Speaker 1: speed limit of the black mamboo, black mongoose. We already
Speaker 1: we already locked her in the black Mongoose game. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a six to zero. It's a
Speaker 1: funny name, yeah, and it's got some it's got some
Speaker 1: story behind it, you know, in some like national geographic
Speaker 1: type shit. Yeah, this is a low score though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's still no shark week. Six to three,
Speaker 1: all right, respectable, it's a regular This actually, for a
Speaker 1: regular season game, is a pretty respectable score. Yeah, by
Speaker 1: two teams under five hundred. Yeah, but they did have
Speaker 1: two ballers that we all loved watching at that time
Speaker 1: of basketball. So I almost part of me wants to
Speaker 1: go higher on gameplay. But it's locked in. We can't
Speaker 1: do any it's locked. Once it's locked, it's locked. We
Speaker 1: can always review it. The mid season review show, Mid
Speaker 1: season review show. Right behind this one lands us right
Speaker 1: behind the twenty eleven Stanley Cup Final that came in
Speaker 1: at a six ' five just ahead of the Giants
Speaker 1: National Belt Dumper Game, as it was known, eighteen innings
Speaker 1: in the NLD Belt Dumpers worse than this, I would
Speaker 1: agree with that. I agree, I agree this is a way.
Speaker 1: That was a fucking snooze fest. That game, alright, and
Speaker 1: it was fun as hell, but that game was a
Speaker 1: snooze fest. Guys upset the Canucks game had a riot,
Speaker 1: So that was and we ranked this higher than the Canucks.
Speaker 1: Just just sorry, hockey, sug hockey, that's right. What do
Speaker 1: they call hockey? Guys? Puckheads? You got seam heads for
Speaker 1: baseball football. I didn't even I've never even heard seam heads.
Speaker 1: What are dimple heads for golfers? Hoop heads makes sense?
Speaker 1: Is that hoopads? I don't know. I don't know anyway.
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