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Speaker 1: December seventeenth, two thousand and six, Staples Center, Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 1: Agent Zero, the Black Mamba, Mono E Mono. This is

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Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas's sixty point game. Hello, and welcome to Games

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Speaker 1: with Names, presented by win Bet. I'm Julian Edelman, I'm

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Speaker 1: Sam Morrel, and we're on the search to find the

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Speaker 1: greatest games of all time. And today we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Gilly Gilbert, Agent zero, Arena's sixty point game against the

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Speaker 1: Lakers and Kobe Bryant, and we're gonna be joined by

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Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas. In just a bit. We'll check out what

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Speaker 1: was going on in the world in December of six,

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Speaker 1: and we'll take a look back at both of these teams,

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Speaker 1: then wrap it up by naming the game and scoring

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Speaker 1: the match was a This was a sick game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean two legends. This was in the prime of

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Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas's Like there was like a three four year

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Speaker 1: period where you could argue he was probably one of

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Speaker 1: the best scorers in the world. Yeah, it was. I mean, dude,

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Speaker 1: everyone talks about like Kobe versus Team Act, or Kobe

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Speaker 1: versus Vince or Kobe versus Ai, but like Arenas had

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Speaker 1: a stretch where he was a killer. Yeah, just going

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Speaker 1: back and watching this game, he did it in all

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Speaker 1: phases of the game. He could come off the screen

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Speaker 1: shoot three. He could his mid range jumper was insane.

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Speaker 1: In transition, he could get to the line. He went

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Speaker 1: to the line twenty seven times. That's went twenty two

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Speaker 1: for twenty seven. That's that's insane, isn't it. That's insane. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean except for like during the James Harden era,

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Speaker 1: the line. You'd breathe on him and he would just

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Speaker 1: like shoot free throws. Games changed, The games changed, game change,

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Speaker 1: games with names, games with names that change, and follow

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Speaker 1: games with names on all social media, remember to do

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Speaker 1: that TikTok or Instagram, YouTube, Facebook? Are we on Facebook?

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Speaker 1: Is that still a thing? We're not, all right, Maybe

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Speaker 1: we can make it a thing. But also, if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen,

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Speaker 1: We want to hear what you're talking about. We want

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Speaker 1: to hear what game you want to hear? Right? Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is one like communal, This is one

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped for. I remember watching this game live and

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Speaker 1: being like, holy shit, like you knew you were watching

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Speaker 1: an epic game. Yeah. I mean anytime Kobe was on,

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Speaker 1: it was like always must see TV. And then you

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Speaker 1: throw on Gilbert Renez, like you had to watch this game. Kobe.

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Speaker 1: I was always kind of rooting against because he was

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Speaker 1: so good, and it was almost like Kobe went through

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Speaker 1: that phase where it was like uncol to like Kobe

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Speaker 1: because he was just winning. So I felt like the

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Speaker 1: posers like Kobe. And then he kind of lost for

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Speaker 1: a while and drove shack out and humbled a little.

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Speaker 1: And this is like when he became cool again. I

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Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, him, Poucassol, he didn't have Shaq. He

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Speaker 1: was coming into his own. He was trying to learn

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Speaker 1: how to win without Shaq, and U exactly what you said,

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Speaker 1: when when guys are hot, when you're at the top,

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Speaker 1: it's lonely at the top. Everyone want to see you

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Speaker 1: a fall. Then he hits rock bottom, Shaq goes out

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Speaker 1: and wins some titles. Yeah, he's still looking for it.

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Speaker 1: And this is when everyone kind of got back on

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Speaker 1: that Kobe train. Yeah, I mean this was kind of

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Speaker 1: Kobe and like, I think he was like fourth in

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Speaker 1: like the year after he was like I'm taking every shot.

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Speaker 1: anyone else can do. And you're like, weird, time to flex, Kobe,

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Speaker 1: we'd time to sink your team. It's something it's a

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Speaker 1: characteristic in those ultra competitors that are just so petty

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Speaker 1: when someone says something about them that they're going to

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Speaker 1: ever do shit like that. Ah. Now, he was pretty

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Speaker 1: good at compartmentalizing, you know, he would he would create

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Speaker 1: But you never you never saw him as a different

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Speaker 1: Mini fro was always cool. It was you know, I

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Speaker 1: like when players look like they're in the seventies, like

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Speaker 1: when a baseball player is a mustache or Wallace, Ben Wallace,

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Speaker 1: He did that big old fro dunk on you what

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Speaker 1: we got, Jackie. This was twenty four of Kobe, twenty

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Speaker 1: was traded. Interesting, Yeah, that's the only reason. That's the

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Speaker 1: only reason. Let's go back to December seventeenth, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six, number one movie The Pursuit of Happiness with

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Speaker 1: in real life kind of. But no, this was a

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Speaker 1: so old school, very very very old school. They should

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Speaker 1: do like an NBC show where we killed dictators with Hangman.

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Speaker 1: he's just like, shit, it is one. Sorry, Saddam your dad.

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Speaker 1: because then everyone who didn't play games could actually come in.

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Speaker 1: It was like it was like the casual system because

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Speaker 1: pick up bowling. Yeah, it's kind of like the the

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Speaker 1: VHR now or one are the virtual reality goggles that

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Speaker 1: that was gonna be the ticket, Like when this whole

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Speaker 1: warming up? Jackie? Remember back when you made the Google

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Speaker 1: better marketers. Yeah, I mean my Space started the whole

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Speaker 1: thing Friendster before that. Maybe we'll get to ask Geeve

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Speaker 1: goggles or something like that. Yeah, ask Geeve the hot bot.

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Speaker 1: You know who's really hurting right now is probably Yahoo?

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Speaker 1: Are they? They could have been Google? Yeah, could have

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Speaker 1: looking for jokes for this podcast shown up. This guy

419
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: throws out a funny joke. Every time I have nothing

420
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: to come back. You're killing giggle with a giggle. I

421
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: would think of that Sopranos scene. Remember when Jackie Junior

422
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: and those dudes try to rob the poker game. That's

423
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: one of the best scenes. It was like that, Yeah,

424
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: but I right away, dude, dude, I remember my blood

425
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: was pumping so hard. I was like, oh, yeah, I

426
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: just got a hand, got my TV back. Fuck yeah,

427
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 1: I love that. That's fucking badass. Let's talk about this matchup. Oh,

428
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: we gotcha at the I got the two thousand and

429
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Speaker 1: six stats, one hundred and twenty four passer rating, two

430
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: hundred and forty two passing attempt seems kind of high.

431
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: I would have thought less for you were we were

432
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: throwing that thing, baby, we were West Coast. Spread them

433
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Speaker 1: Shatham get open wide shallow ten tds ten, How many

434
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Speaker 1: picks eleven? Oh damn, those are rushing team Bill Simms

435
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: regular season numbers right there. I used to rush, though

436
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: I was a runner too. Now probably had to let

437
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: me look into those real quick. Now I'll have to

438
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: get that. Let's talk about this matchup. Lakers forty two

439
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: and forty finished seventh in the West. Kobe was leading

440
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: the NBA and scoring with thirty six point or thirty

441
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: one point six points per game. That was the year

442
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: they drafted Jordan Farmar Jew in the first round. Oh yeah, dude,

443
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: Jewish representation in the NBA. There's not a lot of

444
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: us Amari, that's true. He's he's our on the old

445
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: jew team. Amari is our star Amari and Dolph sha

446
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: is from like the nineteen fifties. Our guys, these were

447
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: post shack Lakers, not the greatest Lakers of all time. Yeah,

448
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: this is a rough team. This is Jordan Baying, I'm

449
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: Chris Mim, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton another Arizona guy too.

450
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: Before lamar Odem they just got this was that was

451
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: the shack t that was pre? Was that pre? That

452
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: was pre? Who didn't he dig? It was pre? Kim Kardashian.

453
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: You saw lamar Odum on a flight? Yeah, how's he doing?

454
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: It was Chloe? Yeah, yeah, thanks yummy, thanks to thanks you.

455
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: I he came in like almost a little late. Did

456
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Speaker 1: you say hi? No? He was No, absolutely not. Why

457
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but there's gotta be like an athlete. Yeah,

458
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bug him, but he's I don't know

459
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: why he wasn't. He didn't sit in first class. He

460
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: sat in an exit row. Maybe because he's so long

461
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: that he needed the the leg space. But it was

462
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: still a little I mean, because if you think they

463
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: were like the pod things, maybe it wasn't enough leg space.

464
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't know, dude. I think

465
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Speaker 1: if if you can get that pod, you're taking the

466
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: pod Yeah, maybe it was a last, last second flight.

467
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Speaker 1: He he he needs that happens, that does happen. Benefit of doubt.

468
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: I hope he still got some money. I was a

469
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: big lamar Odom fan, New York guy, legend, six eleven,

470
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: futuristic player, like truly one of my favorite dudes to watch.

471
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: Incredible talent, and it is he goes in that category

472
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Speaker 1: of if he played in now's era, he would have

473
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Speaker 1: been great. I think he'd be a great modern day player.

474
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: See I mean say that about a lot of guys

475
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: back in the day. She'd I think would have been

476
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: another great modern day player. Lamar Odom was six eleven,

477
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: and he had ball handling ability and could kind of

478
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: just do everything. Yeah, he was and he had no ego.

479
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean on the court, came off the bench for

480
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: the Lakers, he could. He was a fucking All Star

481
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: level player. I don't even think he ever made an

482
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: All Star team, but he was on Team USA. But

483
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: he was like fucking six man for the Lakers when

484
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: they were making that run and you're like, that's incredible,

485
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: that's humbling. But he had but he wanted to win

486
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: and he was. He was great. I mean, he was

487
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: a great player for the Lakers. Yeah, no All Stars,

488
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: but NBA six man in twenty eleven. No, maybe one

489
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 1: of the best players ever to never make an All

490
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: Star team, without question. And he just beat Aaron Carter

491
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: in celebrity boxing. I think I thought he lost. No,

492
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: he beat the crab out of him. He just lost

493
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: to something before that, though, didn't he Yeah, let me

494
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: look up his boxing record. He beat Aaron Man. If

495
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: he lost to Aaron Carter, that would have been rough. Aaron.

496
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: Was he like a Backstreet boy or something? Oh, his

497
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: brother's a brother. Man. If he lost to the brother

498
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: of a backstreet boy, that would that's like losing to

499
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: Joey Fotone's nephew or something. That's bullshit. That's yeah, no,

500
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: thank guy. He's six eleven, he's got reached. He lost

501
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: to someone though recently. Oh wait, he's two and oh

502
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: he's two and oh good. That was Frank Gore. Frank

503
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: Gore lost to Darren Williams. Yeah I did. I would

504
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: not have bet on Darren Williams. No, but he handled

505
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: him a little bit. And I'm a Frank go. Frank

506
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Gore is my guy. He is Frank Gore Hall of Famer. Yeah,

507
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: I mean just Likeevity alone, right, I mean he was

508
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: a beast for so long, not like some of the

509
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: He's top five in rushing or something, and he played forever.

510
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: He was awesome for a long longevity. Darren Williams, though,

511
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: had fucking hands. Did he see that length? That length?

512
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have bet my life on Gore, me too,

513
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: because Gore's like he was known to be a boxing guy.

514
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: He was always in the ring or always training in

515
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: the off season boxing. Darren Williams looked like he could fight.

516
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: He was. Darren Williams had like a run in the

517
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: NBA where he was just phenomenal, but he did kind of.

518
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: He came to Brooklyn and and it didn't really work

519
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: out here in Brooklyn with that Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett,

520
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: Darren Williams, Joe Johnson squad didn't. It usually doesn't work

521
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: out New York. You know, at least Knick Knicks are

522
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: having it. They're gonna have a year this year. Dude,

523
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: I don't know when this episode comes out. That's a

524
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: bold prediction, but Knicks are fucking more in the Knicks

525
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: shoes and more in the Knicks hat. Let's fucking go

526
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: that's a cool Knicks hat. It was like a fire department,

527
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: fire department hat. They got to make a New York

528
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: Giant New York Giants one for day Ball because he

529
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: always wears the New York Fire Department. Fucking love day

530
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: Ball six and one. He's fucking awesome, he really is.

531
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: He Lea's like out of season Chris Kringle, doesn't he

532
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: He looks like, you know, like you know, Santa before

533
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: he puts on He's got a little Santa belly. But

534
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: he got a little Tony soprano vibe to him too,

535
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: he does. He's got a little soprano swag. I guess

536
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: you kind of have to in Jersey, the Meadowlands. He's

537
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: from upstate New York. He's from Buffalo or Western Buffalo.

538
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: Buffalo has got definite mafia vibes, have you been? I mean,

539
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: the Italian the Italian defamation leagu' is gonna come after

540
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: me for this one. No. Uh. The Italian food in

541
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: Buffalo is some of the best you'll ever eat. I mean,

542
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: really next level in the wings. Yeah, that's true. They

543
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: think they invented them. I don't know if it's true.

544
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: They will tell you. They invented them. Rudy's Blue Cheese.

545
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: Shout out to Buffalo Rudy's Blue Cheese. Gronk always used

546
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: to bring it. Really Yeah, you like jewels, you gotta

547
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: try this blue cheese. It's my favorite. And his mom

548
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: used to make a Buffalo chicken dip all the time.

549
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: That's a huge Buffalo thing. I feel blankas from Buffalo

550
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: born and raised. I didn't know that. It all makes sense.

551
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: That does make sense. It all makes sense. Sorry, Jack,

552
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: were you going to say something. Daboll actually born in Canada, Canada,

553
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: grew up in upstate New York. Though. Yeah, it's the

554
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: same shit Ontario. Yeah, but that's right on that line.

555
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: You're right there. I mean, there's this interesting. The Wizards

556
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: were forty one and forty one. Yeah, they were swept

557
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: by the Calves in the first round. Coached by Eddie Jordan.

558
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: This was a weird era. Arenas were third and scoring

559
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: that year. I mean, people forget how good he was.

560
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: They had Anton Jamis who was like, honestly, I know,

561
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: I say, it's a lot another guy who would almost

562
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: be better in today's NBA because he was a stretch four.

563
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: It was almost before the time of the stretch four.

564
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: Did he have the headband? He played sometimes with the

565
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: head bands. North Carolina guy, Yeah, one fun factor at

566
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: Anton Jamison. I believe they traded him and Vince Carter

567
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: on Draft night. I could be wrong there, but they

568
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: were both tar heels and I think was that right.

569
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: Let me see here, the Warriors traded North Carolina's Vince

570
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: Carter the number five pick to the Raptors for tar

571
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: heel teammate Anton Jamison. That's four weird you traded for

572
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: your tar heel teammate. I mean, that's how stacked that

573
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: North Carolina team was. They Karan Butler on this team,

574
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: who I loved watching Karan Butler. He was like a tough,

575
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: gritty player, could score, but he was like he was

576
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: like your defensive stopper guy. He was. He was a killer.

577
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: Deshaun Stevenson, NBA champ with the MAVs, this was like

578
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: he was a good player here. This was before he

579
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: took like that next step. I think they were always

580
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: a sexy team, the Wizards these these few years. They

581
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: always like were competitive. I always had like a crazy

582
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: night like Gilbert had tonight. They were a sexy team.

583
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: They were like a fun video game because of Gilbert

584
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: and because of Kuran and zach Con. They were a

585
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: fun team for sure, a great offensive team, but they

586
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: didn't play day other than Butler, and maybe a little

587
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: bit was Brendan Haywood on this team. He was a

588
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: good shop blocker. But let's get into the game. Gil

589
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: got out to a hot start with twelve in the first.

590
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Seemed like he was hitting everything. It was so fun

591
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: to watch him. I mean, that step back was beautiful.

592
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Like I was trying to think of modern players that

593
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: play like him. I couldn't even think of one, no,

594
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: because all modern players do is just shoot threes. But

595
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: he had that nice mid range range I could have.

596
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: He was just hitting mid range all game. And also

597
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: he had that weird little like kind of step back

598
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: off the glass. He had that like smooth game. This

599
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: era was a cool era, isn't it. It always? It's

600
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: crazy to me how well NBA players know the backboard.

601
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: I love it, you know what I mean, That's the

602
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: only shot I have consistently in the park because I

603
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: will hit bank shots because I grew up watching Tim

604
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: Duncan and they're like, oh, you fucking boring ass, white guy.

605
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: It's literally how I score. Banks are always closed for me.

606
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: Reason banks are always closed for me. Yeah, you don't

607
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: do the bank No, No, it's a smart shot, Yeah

608
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: it is. I'm just not good at it. Do you

609
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: know who had a great bank shot? Dwayne Wade. No

610
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: one talks about that shit, but he was like automatic

611
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 1: off the glass. He made it. He made it look cooler,

612
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: like Tim Duncan. Everyone was like like man whatever. By

613
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: the way, one of the coolest players ever gets doesn't

614
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: get his due is like a cool player. But to me,

615
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: I think winning's fucking cool. I too, Winning's fun. Yeah.

616
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Gil had forty three in the second half. That's fucking insane.

617
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: Kobe still had forty five in this game. It was

618
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: fun watching them go back and forth. Yeah, I got

619
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: some questions about that. I guess they used to talk

620
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: shit Walton through Walton. Yeah, they had like a messenger.

621
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: They wouldn't talk straight to each other. They would like

622
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: like Walton like would come up to Arenas and say like, yeah,

623
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: Kobe says you're too pussy to guard him. And then

624
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, Gilbert would be like, well you tell him.

625
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let him post me up because he's

626
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: great in the post and like go down like it

627
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: was like a fucking full on well because they went

628
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: to Arizona together, right Arenas and Walton and then Walton

629
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: is Kobe's teammate. This Laker team kind of sucked. This

630
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: was a pretty like this was pretty much like this

631
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: was if these games were nationally televised. It's for Kobe.

632
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: They were yeah, forty and forty, but there was a

633
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: stretch where the Lakers were like not even a playoff team.

634
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: I remember like right after Shack left. This is when

635
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: they became like Kobe was so good, they were wand

636
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: of like, right now, Lakers suck right now, dude, it's

637
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to watch they You know what, they

638
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: should have traded Westbrook for Miles Turner and Buddy Healed

639
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: because at least then they'd have some depth in shooting.

640
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: They're shooting is a fucking They had a trade on

641
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: the table. I think they would probably would have to

642
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: give up picks, but I think he got to do that.

643
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: If you got why do you have Lebron if you're

644
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: not going to try to win? Do you see Nurkic

645
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: so disrespectful, didn't even step out on ad the other night,

646
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: just let him jack it up. Ad. Yeah, I don't

647
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. Man, the team doesn't work. They're

648
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: trying to blame everything on Westbrook. Hey, I feel bad

649
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: for Westbrook me too. It ain't right. I feel bad.

650
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: And he's pressing so much. I mean, they're giving him

651
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: wide open mid range shots and he's got to hit

652
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: him though. I mean, you really do, Like you're an

653
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: NBA player, You got to hit that fucking mid range shot. Yeah.

654
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: But he is like he is getting all of the blame,

655
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: and it's like, dude, this I love how they blame

656
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: Frank Vogel. They just fired him. I'm like, clearly, it's

657
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: not the guy who won you a championship's fault. I

658
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: hate when they blame a coach when it's like the

659
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: front office is doing jack shit. Crazy thing about this game.

660
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: Washington was up seventeen points in the fourth quarter and

661
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: then the Mamba came out brought him back for overtime.

662
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: Gilbert had the chance to win it on that last shot,

663
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: didn't hit it, brings it back, gives them extra time

664
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: to get a little more extra points. He would have

665
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: finished sixty. He would have finished with forty four if

666
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: they didn't have overtime. You got It's like you're bummed

667
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: when you missed that shot, but then you're like, oh

668
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: wait a second, I get the Stabad a little bit.

669
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: Stat Pat love it. Gil sixteen and overtime helps the

670
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: Wizards get the wh Vladimir Redmanovitch red Monovich remember him.

671
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: He finished with twenty seven. He was on that Lakers team.

672
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: He was on that team. You know, he's a really

673
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: fun team. That Seattle Sonics team. He was the power

674
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: forward on when they had like Rishard Lewis and Ray

675
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: Allen and Luke ridden Now and shit, that was a

676
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: that was a fun team. Everyone could shoot. Can we

677
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: bring Seattle team back? Get Seattle a fucking team. These

678
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: people deserve. They're great fans. Northwestern fans are they love them?

679
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: And that's basketball towns, Washington Stable Town. Holy shit, they

680
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: got like Gonzaga and Washington State. They got all those

681
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: good basketball schools. Yeah, what do you got? Jackie said,

682
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: they get the damn kracking. No NBA team with the

683
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: kracking in the NHL. That's right, the crack. What is

684
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: that a fucking Halloween candy? Get that ship out of here.

685
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: What is it called? What's next to fucking Nevada, mister

686
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: gold Bar. The cracking, the seattle cracking, that's their NHLPA.

687
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: What is a kracking? The cracking? The beast something a

688
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 1: sea beast, that's Jesus Christ. That's not a h eh eh,

689
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to find something good to say about.

690
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: We just looked at the uniform. It's speaking of lame

691
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: the Wizards. You see their uniform this game, the Golden

692
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: Black horrible. It looked like an international team from like

693
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: the Saudi League, the Saudi Alternates. These were These were

694
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: rough jerseys. Let's go to the gaming corner presented by

695
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: win Bet. What's the prop bet going to be? I

696
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: think we see how much beef we can get Arenas

697
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: to talk shit? Because he is a notorious shit talker.

698
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I love about him. He's almost

699
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: from that, he's almost cut from that Gary Payton trash

700
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: talking cloth. I say, we can we get over two

701
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: point five beefs? Like we know he hates Kwame Brown?

702
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: Can we bring up to Kwame Brown beef? Can we

703
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: get him to go off on that? Who else in

704
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: the same He's probably probably had that edge, remember because

705
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: they were draft he was draft number one. Kwame went

706
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: number one that year, and Arenas went thirty one. Arenas

707
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: is the second round pick. Jack told us before Tony

708
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: Parker was, I believe twenty eighth in that draft. He was.

709
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: There were a lot of busts in this draft, though.

710
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: There were some guys that like Tyson Chandler went early

711
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: in this draft, and he kind of sucked for the

712
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: first four or five years and then he became a

713
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: great defensive guy, a winner, but like he had a

714
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: long stretch. Eddie Curry went early. Bulls got both and

715
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: this was like a weird yeah drama. Parker twenty eighth, Yeah,

716
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: one of the all time steals. And also they got

717
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what you they got Ginobili but he

718
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: was like fifty something the Spruce. That was when that

719
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: was when international players were still just like soft international players.

720
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: They didn't know. They didn't know, we didn't know. And

721
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: now it's like now like now it's like Luca Jokic,

722
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: all these like international the international players caught up. Oh dude,

723
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: it's they're they're there. It's becoming scary for the US

724
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: because they do the in All Star weekend, they do

725
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: World versus US and now the world is getting sneaky, which,

726
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: by the way, is not fair the world. It is.

727
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 1: We're taking on the world. What is this the fucking

728
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: Avengers movie? We should We're America. This fucking thing was

729
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: made in Nate Smith. We still I still we win.

730
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: I still think we But like, dude, they've got Joe

731
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: al Embiid, Yannis, Luca Jokic. Technically they got Karl Anthony Towns.

732
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: I think he's like from the Bahamas or something. Us.

733
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: So we got like Jimmy Butler, Lebron, durant Uhatum Tatum,

734
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: who else, Steph Clay Clay everyone else. We're good. We're

735
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: still good, but smart. Julius Randall New York represent who else?

736
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: I would just name the Celtics starting five probably for you.

737
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: That's true. DeRozan is still a killer A D A

738
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: d if he's healthy. Lebron do you say Lebron? Yeah,

739
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: no doubt, Kyrie, Kyrie if he wants to play. It

740
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: feels like it. James Harden seems like the American guys

741
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: psychologically just they're good. They're the best, But like you know,

742
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing guys? Ben Simmons International,

743
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: That's right, that help. That helps us. Yeah, what about

744
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: Uh who else are we? Where'd he born Australia? Yeah,

745
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: Bradley Beal, We got killers, we got enough, uh, Kilgus, Alexander, Yeah,

746
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Kawhi PG. That was he's been injured but when he's

747
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: but he hasn't been injured as of late. Yeah, he

748
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: just started playing. He's incredible. I mean, he's one of

749
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: the one of the best Hall of Fame. It'll be

750
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: good to see if the Clippers can go on a run.

751
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: They're the ultimate what if team, right because they got

752
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: John Wall, who's like a question mark who could be

753
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: great this year. They got PG, who's always heard, Kawhi

754
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: who's always hurt. They got the depth, zubots Canar is

755
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: a sniper dude. They got my guy, Marcus Morris give

756
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: the Knicks one of the best half seasons of my life.

757
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: Great tough guy, love Mooke, tough guy, tough guy ticket.

758
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: So just to lock it in here, two and a half,

759
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: we think in two and a half over under, Yeah,

760
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: we're two and a half. We're gonna get him to

761
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: talk about three beefs. I think the Kobe beef is

762
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: like gotta be in there because I think there's love,

763
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: but there's definitely beef. And then the kwame is a

764
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: straight up beef, and I bet we can milk out.

765
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: It's give us some other who else did you hate?

766
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: We'll say we can even preference a question like who

767
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: else did you hate? And he's not a guy who

768
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: I think has to think about. This question is brought

769
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: to you by Arby's. Who's your biggest beef? Where's the beef?

770
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: We do deserve an RB's plug after that, give us

771
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: some free rbs. I've never Yesterday we were talking RB's

772
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: a couple of times I've never had Arby's. What I've

773
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: never had it? I know it's the only fast food

774
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: I've never had. Good. It's good RB sauce. You need

775
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: to drench it in arby sauce. Yeah, the horseradish, No,

776
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: it's like a fucking it's like a it's almost like

777
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: a Heinz fifty seven barbecue sweet sauce, stingy. I don't know.

778
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: It was like my parents' first date was at Arby's. Ah,

779
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: that's beautiful, so nostalgic to me. All right, Well, we're

780
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: gonna be joined by Gilbert Arenas right after this break.

781
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Man. How you doing, I'm doing good.

782
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. But uh, I'm excited to have you man.

783
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: Three time All Star Agent zero loved watching you during

784
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: this era. This is such a fun time. All NBA

785
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: second Team, two time All NBA Third Team Most Improved

786
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: Player in two thousand three. I remember I think I

787
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: picked you in fantasy that you you're on the Warriors.

788
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: That was I believe. I picked you early and I

789
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: got some ship, and I was like, watch and you delivered.

790
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: You had a big ear and holds the Wizards record

791
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: for points in a game. I think you passed Earl

792
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: the Pearl in this game. Yeah, no small feet, black Jesus,

793
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: that guy ruled x Nick. That's our guy here. Cover

794
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: player for NBA Live two thousand and eight. And uh yeah,

795
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us man. Oh that ship I forgot.

796
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I did all that in such a short time. What

797
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: are you doing these days? What's what's post retirement looking like? Uh?

798
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: You know, just like you guys podcasting, you know, trying

799
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: to you know, be one of those athletes that you

800
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: know that gets the show, the human side of them.

801
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: You know, when you're when you're an athlete, you have

802
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: to play by the media rules a little bit with

803
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: answering questions, so you become you know, robotic. You know,

804
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: now that I'm podcasting, you just get to lay it

805
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: all out there. This was an awesome I mean, we're

806
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: doing the game where you dropped sixty on Kobe, which

807
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: is I remember watching live, I remember rooting. I wasn't

808
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: a Wizards fan, but I rooted for you to I

809
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: kind of couldn't root for Kobe. I feel like all

810
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: the he was like, it was like almost fair weather

811
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 1: to root for Kobe. He was so beloved at the time.

812
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: So I was like I looked at Kobe the way

813
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: I looked at like Rick Flair and wrestling. Well, I

814
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: was like, I appreciated him, and I was so happy

815
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: he was a part of the league. But I couldn't

816
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: pull for him, you know. So I would root for

817
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: guys like you or Tam Mac when I was watching,

818
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, and I loved watching you go off in

819
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: this game. This was this was epic. How real was

820
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: this rivalry between you and Kobe? It was It actually

821
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: started my rookie, I mean the connection started in high school.

822
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: He didn't know it, but he got drafted, you know,

823
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: by the Lakers. So he's the high school kid, right.

824
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: He goes to vig this beach breaks his head, and

825
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: me and my friends we were like, oh man, we

826
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: missed him. Let's go back. Let's go the following week

827
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: to see if he's gonna show up and not realize

828
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: that he broke his hand. He would not be there, okay,

829
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: just we were high school kids, you know. So I

830
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: go there, we're playing outside, I break my hand, I

831
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: break my right hand. I'm like, oh shit, I'm just

832
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: like Kobe, right. So I grew my fro out and

833
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: all that. So I was a big Kobe fan. And

834
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: I remember when I get drafted to When I got

835
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: drafted to Golden State thirty one, my friend calls me

836
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: and he was like, yo, guess who I just ran into.

837
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, Kobe right, And he was like, no, serious,

838
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: How did you know that? I was like the fuck

839
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: out of here. You didn't run into no Kobe. It's like, yeah,

840
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm at Disneyland and I just I just ran into

841
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Kobe and I said something to him. You said something

842
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: to Kobe. I was like, what you say? I was like, uh,

843
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: my boy, Gilbertorenas is gonna He's gonna kick your ass

844
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: and just sees you. And he was like a Gilbert

845
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: Areenas from the Warriors. He's like, yeah, that's my boy.

846
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna tear you up. He's like yeah, if he

847
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: ever gets off the bench, WHOA. And I was like,

848
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: why would you ever say he knew who I was?

849
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: He like he said my name. He's like, yeah, he

850
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: said today, he said you was on the bitch And

851
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, he knows me. Like I didn't.

852
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: I didn't care about the disc or nothing. Just he

853
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: knows me. Kobe Bryant knows me. But that kind of

854
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: put like the the fire in me to like really

855
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: start working out and really started training. Like if Kobe

856
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: knows me, man, that's that. That means everything. So like

857
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: whenever I played against the Lakers, it was just this

858
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: this this automatic like great game. It was like I'm

859
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: automatically on fire. So I remember even my my first

860
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: best game in preseason, my best game in preseason against

861
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: the Lakers in Bakersfield, my best game as a rookie

862
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: against the Lakers, my best game, well not my best

863
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: game in my second year, but you know, one of

864
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: my better games was against the Lakers. The last game

865
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: of the season. So you know, leading up to the

866
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: sixty pointer, I was probably averaging about twenty nine to

867
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: thirty two on the Lakers already for my career. So

868
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: it was just it just seemed like just a normal game.

869
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: You know, Kobe's gonna try his his mental battle with me,

870
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: which he did. Started off the game saying, all right,

871
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: I've got Gilbert, I'm gonna shut him down. Smith's Parker,

872
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: you go to the Sean Stevenson. So I was like,

873
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: all right, hey, Cob got to me one four flat.

874
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: Forget the first couple of plays, right, just to let

875
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: him know it's about to be one of those games.

876
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: So you know, I start off on fire, We're going

877
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: back and forth, and it was just everything was just clicking.

878
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I had sixty, to be honest,

879
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: until until the announcer said it. I thought, you guys,

880
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: I thought, like, so you guys were talking to you.

881
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: I thought that Luke Walton was the messenger for you

882
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: guys to talk ship to each other. And how did

883
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: this come about? I know, you guys played together and

884
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: you know what was going on on this Arizona boys,

885
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: and now he's a Laker with Kobe so he was

886
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: a messenger. Yes, so Luke Luke Walton was. He was

887
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: the go between. He was always the go between every game,

888
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: which kind of got me hyped. That that that kind

889
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: of got me hyped. When Ludolf Luke Walton always said, Uh, yeah,

890
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Kobe's gonna tell he's gonna stop you, I was like,

891
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: he's not gonna stop me if he if he sticks me,

892
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm going one for a flat. And then what added

893
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: to the fuel was Koran coming to the team. Well,

894
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: he also and and Karan played with the Lakers and

895
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: then he goes to play with you, and I read

896
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: something somewhere where he said he preferred playing with you

897
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 1: because he didn't have to think about shooting the basketball. Yeah,

898
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, he just should just tell stories about you know,

899
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: Kobe was always open. He was always open. There's no

900
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: triple team, double team. He was always open. So every

901
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: time he got the ball, he always And so when

902
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: you get the ball, you're already looking because you hear

903
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: the sound. You know, he'll make sounds like he's open

904
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: for you to swing the ball to him. So he said,

905
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: you never felt comfortable when you got the ball because

906
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: Kobe was already screaming for So this game is fun too, because, uh,

907
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: Kwame Brown, same draft as you. He's picked first overall,

908
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: you're pick thirty first, right, you guys are playing against

909
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: each other. He's on the Lakers in this game with

910
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: Kobe Yep, did you guys already hate each other? No? Really, no, No,

911
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: I didn't like it was it was one of those

912
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: things that he was. He got traded to the other team.

913
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, we moved we moved on. It was like,

914
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know we had a problem to it was

915
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty one. I did not know we had

916
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: a problem from it. So I guess back in two

917
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: thousand and four, we're in the playoffs. I don't want

918
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: to say it's jealousy, but it clearly is. You know,

919
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: he was the number one pick in Washington. Michael Jordan

920
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: comes back, you know, takes a little bit of his shine.

921
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: Also took a lot of pressure off of him. When

922
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: Jordan leaves here, I come, you know, I come, I

923
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: come in. Now you know, off that sixty five million

924
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: dollar contract, I'm the highest paid player in the draft

925
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: now in our draft, so I'm one notch above the

926
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: number one pick. Now you know I won the first

927
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: award in the draft. So, you know, we had a

928
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: we had a decent first year together. You know, I

929
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: was heard, you know, the offense was you know, different

930
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: for everyone. Our second year together, he's he didn't start

931
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: the season with us. He was hurt, broke his foot

932
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: in the summer right before training camp. So Antoine Jamison

933
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: uh gets traded to us during that summer. So me

934
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: and Antoine are back together. Me, Antoine and Larry back together.

935
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: Who who were my veterans in Golden State. So we

936
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: were moving. So by the time Kwame comes back, he's

937
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: not part of the rotation. He's not really you know,

938
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: he don't have the offense down. He's out of shape.

939
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: He's trying to figure this out. But in the meantime,

940
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: the crowd don't care about none of that, so they're

941
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: booing them, you know, at home, they're just booing them.

942
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: So he didn't really feel comfortable playing at home, you know.

943
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: Towards the end of the season, you know, we're trying

944
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: to figure out what our lineup's going to be. He never,

945
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: he never, he never actually started. He never got his

946
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: starting position back. Jared Jefferies basically seal that. So going

947
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. We started off playing in Chicago. We

948
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: dropped O two. I go to the papers. Please do

949
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: not boot Kwame Brown. We need all of our booze

950
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: to be towards the visitors, towards Chicago. I know, but

951
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love it. We

952
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: all love that they booted us out of this. You know,

953
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: they booed us out of the arena. We didn't need

954
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: this negativity, you know, we didn't need it. So coach

955
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: decided that he was going to play Eton first, which

956
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: which was the backup the backup, backup center is playing well,

957
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, basically his best game of his career was

958
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: that Game three at home we won. Kwame only played

959
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: three minutes. And then that's where it kind of like ruffled.

960
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: Is while we're doing media, so everyone celebrating. You know,

961
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: you got sugar Foot over there fucking complaining like a

962
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 1: little girl, talking about yet they're not passing me the ball,

963
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: and you know it was it got it caught me

964
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: off guard, like passing the ball? Did he even play?

965
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: I didn't even play with him? What are you talking about?

966
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: He wasn't even in game with me today, Like I

967
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't have to I didn't have to pass

968
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: on the ball. And then he said another comment. I

969
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: was like, listen, every time we passed him the ball,

970
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: he don't do ship with it, right, you don't. He

971
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: don't do ship with it. And then he says something else,

972
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, we're better without him,

973
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: all right, We're just better a out that dude over there.

974
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: And that was our little riff. And he, yeah, he

975
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: goes home, he gets drunk, doesn't show up the practice

976
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: the next day. He basically quit. He quit on us.

977
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: He basically trying to put an ultimatum, if Gilbert's playing,

978
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play. Uh, I'm the All Star. I

979
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: made the All Star issue. The fucker you talking about

980
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: zero zero? That was wrong with him. It was just ridiculous.

981
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: That was just a ridiculous statement. And they're like, all right.

982
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: So he basically quit and then he pulled one of

983
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: those you know, I was, you know, I was afraid

984
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: to go to practice because if I went to practice,

985
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna slap somebody. Who's gonna slap me,

986
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: Who's gonna slap me? Gonna slap me. But if he

987
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: did try to come slap me out and probably ran.

988
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, like, you know, he's big. You know,

989
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: he's a really big guy. So I wasn't gonna stand

990
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: there and be slapped. But you know, he said it,

991
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: and you know I tried to address it, you know,

992
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: try to pull the buff, tough guy. And then he apologized.

993
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: I got him to apologize. Oh, I got him to apologize,

994
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: and he said, no, it was the media. The media,

995
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: they misconscrewed, you know my words. I didn't say I

996
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: was gonna slap you. And then you know from the mayor.

997
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: To be honest, that Game three was the last time

998
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: I seen him, you know, because he didn't come back

999
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: for the rest of the playoffs, and then we traded

1000
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: him in the summer for Karan and Chucky Ackins. See.

1001
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: I grew up a Warriors fan and I remember you

1002
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: were there. It was you and j Rich, right, yeah,

1003
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: me j so my first Troy. Now, how come they

1004
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: got you out of there? Was there beef beef between

1005
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: you and Jay Rich? No? No, no, Jay Rich was

1006
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: Jay Rich was my brother. What happened? Because I was

1007
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: kicking myself in the head where you become age zero,

1008
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, where the fuck is he? On the Warriors?

1009
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: What the fuck is this? Yeah, so back then, no

1010
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: second rounder played past the mid level exception. So the

1011
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: most they can pay me was forty nine million, so

1012
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: they couldn't have They couldn't actually afford me anymore. Okay,

1013
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: So because they couldn't afford me, and I didn't want

1014
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: to do one of those Joe Smith's deals, under those

1015
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: one under the table deals, so I I ended up.

1016
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: You know, they just couldn't They just couldn't match. They

1017
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: just couldn't match what Washington and other teams was offering.

1018
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: So you know, departured. But you know, because of that,

1019
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: they changed the rule and made a Gilberterenas rule where

1020
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: if your second round player gets offered more than you

1021
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: can afford, then you're allowed to match him without going

1022
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: over the luxury tax. Jolbert, do you mind just pushing

1023
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: your camera a little back, just adjusted a little bit? No? No, no,

1024
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: oh sorry, hold on. Yeah. So yeah, that's a crazy rule.

1025
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean it is crazy to think of you as

1026
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: a second round pick. I mean you have got to

1027
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: be one of the all time steals. You think of

1028
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: guys who got picked, who is in the second one?

1029
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: You Ginobili, Draymond and Jokic Jokic is a big one. Yeah, probably, Yeah,

1030
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: he's the best. So he's hard with the eurost get

1031
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: a real evaluation who they're playing out there, you know, well,

1032
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: is like he still looks fat and he's the best

1033
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I mean's the MVP twice, you know.

1034
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: The I to be honest, the NBA draft and the

1035
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: NFL draft, I just think it's horseshit because you can't

1036
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: evaluate someone's mental You can't evaluate pure talent instinct, you know, Like,

1037
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, me running a four to one forty doesn't

1038
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: mean I can catch the fucking ball. Doesn't mean I

1039
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: have quick feet laterally, Like it just doesn't. And same

1040
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: thing with basketball. If if I'm a top five pick

1041
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: and you never, like I never get to go against

1042
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: the other four that's in front of me or other

1043
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: guards to really see what my my motor is when

1044
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: I have competition facing me, then you can you can

1045
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: get lost. Some players that has that, it can get

1046
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: lost in the draft. And they also can't measure that

1047
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: little thing that's in you. It's called the dog. They

1048
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: can't measure that goddamn fucking dog. Yes, you're right, and

1049
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: that's and that's why they That's why you know, so

1050
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: many great players slip through the draft because they they

1051
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: don't have it down to a science. And this dog

1052
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: was on display this night. First quarter, you start off

1053
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: pretty hot. You have twelve points, six for nine from

1054
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: the field, three assists. Kobe's only got two. Are you

1055
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: from that point on are you already feeling like you're

1056
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: about to have some heat? Are you feeling good or

1057
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: are you still in that focused mindset? You know usually

1058
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, as a score you know, I try to

1059
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: break it down in periods, so I don't really get

1060
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: too fond on how I'm doing in the first period.

1061
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: It's just you know, I just you know, one layup,

1062
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: one to three, a free throw, you know, that's usually

1063
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: my my my, my goal. So I'm not stressing about

1064
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: scoring or not scoring. So you know, it's like, okay,

1065
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: first quarter, you know, average quarter, you know, and that's

1066
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: said nine points is average quarter, Like that's an average quarter,

1067
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, not a second quart. Order is his own quarter.

1068
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: So I mean going against the guy like Kobe, who

1069
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: are the other guys in the league at this point,

1070
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: They're like, I want to get up for this game.

1071
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: I want to show up. Okay, it's not. It's not

1072
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: that you want to get up. You're gonna have to

1073
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: get up. You got Iverson, Yeah, you got got Ai.

1074
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: You have Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, I mean just the

1075
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: way he played defense, So you you really had to

1076
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: be focused the whole San Antonio Spurs defense. You know,

1077
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, got you mentally prepared. You know, the young

1078
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: Chris Paul and Darren Williams. Uh, you know, you never

1079
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: get about Darren Williams. He was a big, big, big,

1080
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: big plaint guard for the most part. That was really

1081
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: it in my position. Most of those those really hard

1082
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: to guard guys with shooting guards, and you know, I

1083
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: had a different defensive player and DeShawn Stevenson that that

1084
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: tired himself out on that you scored. I scored. That

1085
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: was my job. I got paid to score. Yeah, Deshaun

1086
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: great defender. I mean, I mean you also play with

1087
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: Larry Hughes. You play with some really great defensive Yeah,

1088
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, I played with great. I played with great

1089
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, great guys that really buckle down on defense.

1090
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: So you're going in a halftime, the Wizards are up,

1091
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: You're you're playing some good ball. What do you think

1092
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: going in a halftime in a game like this, you

1093
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: know usually can't sleep on Kobe. Probably you're like, we

1094
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: got ten points, we can't sleep on them. Yeah, yea.

1095
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: With Kobe's usually you have to worry about the second

1096
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: half and that fourth quarter because you know those last

1097
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: five minutes is just all Kobe. So you know, coming

1098
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: into halftime, you're always mentally, just with any great superstar,

1099
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: that if they're not having the first first great hal

1100
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: be pared, be prepared for a dominant second half. So

1101
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: you want to have some type of cushion, you know,

1102
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: you know going into the fourth quarter, last five minutes.

1103
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: So going into the halftime, you know, you know it's

1104
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: one of those good half boys. You know, we still

1105
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: gotta come out there and and and execute, you know,

1106
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: defensively and offensively. Knowing that you know that that those

1107
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: last five minutes, you know the Mamba is going to

1108
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: be trying to will this team to this victory. So

1109
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: you come out of half and exactly what you think

1110
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. Kobe starts picking it up. He gets

1111
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: sixteen points, you you tally up twelve. You're still balling

1112
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: at this point. I mean, I was watching this game

1113
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: because we were we watched it. You were hitting everything

1114
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: from that remember that side step, Yeah, free he had

1115
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: like you were hitting it from every angle. Did you

1116
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: know you had to just keep on going, like I'm

1117
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to hit everything tonight because this joker is

1118
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: about to get hot. No, I mean, you know, are

1119
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: you just playing the game, just just playing a game

1120
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: at this point, because you know, at this point we're

1121
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: all playing well as a as a unit. Yeah, Karana

1122
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: is hitting shots, and Antoine's hitting shots, Brendan Haywood is

1123
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,959
Speaker 1: doing this thing. So you know, as a whole unit,

1124
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: we're all playing pretty well. So you know, it was

1125
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: it was still just just a normal It was, you know,

1126
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: an above average night. You gotta remember, I'm imaging twenty

1127
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: this twenty nine. I imagining twenty nine, so you know

1128
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: it's you know, twenty nine is stilled in average night,

1129
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: that's your average. So you know it's still you know, average,

1130
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: a little bit above average going into that fourth quarter. Yeah,

1131
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: and uh, and then Kobe kind of shortens. Is he

1132
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: talking ship while he's doing this to you? Is he

1133
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: sending you messages through Luke Walton? Is anything coming your

1134
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: way from him? No? So he did. He did try

1135
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: to bait me, and the bait was, so you're just

1136
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: the one sided player. Huh. So, so wont you guard

1137
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: me like I'm guarding you so you can put me

1138
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: in a post? Why would I want to just sit

1139
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: in the post the whole fucking gait like, you know,

1140
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a post offender, like, because that's what he

1141
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: wanted to do. He wanted to beat me up in

1142
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: the post so he can tire me on the post,

1143
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: so I don't have no offense. So I said, noah, no,

1144
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: thank you, right, and then I did get on him

1145
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: one time, and obviously he scored, and I was like,

1146
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: you know, DeShawn, that's that's your duty, Brom, I'm gonna

1147
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: tire him out on this part, you know, and on

1148
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: this side of the court. So that was the only

1149
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: thing he really said. So, Kobe trying to bait you

1150
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: in and you have a shot. Were you pissed you

1151
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: had that shot to hit that buzzer or are you

1152
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: thinking I'm getting more I'm gonna get that stat. I'm

1153
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: gonna pad them stats even more now. No, you know

1154
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: you had that buzzer. I thought I did too, Like, yeah,

1155
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: this is it game winner? Like game winner in l

1156
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: a because I had about two hundred tickets. You're from there. Yeah,

1157
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: so I had all my high school, my high school

1158
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: basketball JV. Varsity, you know, b's and c's. You know.

1159
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: My high school coach, Harold Levine, brung the whole, you know,

1160
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 1: basically the whole basketball program, you know, to the game.

1161
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm about to I'm about to

1162
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: do this, this is it. And on the pull up,

1163
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: it just didn't feel right. I don't know if I

1164
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: like I hesitated on on on just a natural jump shot,

1165
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: thinking he was gonna jump, but I was moving backwards

1166
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: and just you know, just the angle was off, you know,

1167
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: so you know, I blew it. It's almost kind of cool.

1168
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: It was a great It was a great miss Yeah. Yeah,

1169
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: you know you miss it. You're only going to give

1170
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: the two hundred people you got tickets for a better show. Yeah,

1171
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: But listen, when you when you're when you when you're

1172
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: on the road and you have a chance to win

1173
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: that game, you want to just win it right there

1174
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: for sure. And but I mean, you got through two

1175
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: hundred people that you brought, you got Jack Nicholson courtside.

1176
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: Is it kind of fun to drop sixty and You're

1177
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: like American icon right there. This is pretty cool. No,

1178
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean after after after the game, once I realized

1179
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: I had sixty, you know, scoring sixty was the movie Stars.

1180
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: At that point did not matter. I scored sixty points

1181
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: on Kobe Bryant. That's that's all that registered inside the

1182
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: inside the brain at that moment. Did you ever ever

1183
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: talk to anyone in the crowd, Harry, you ever fuck

1184
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: with anyone in the crowd. I remember some dude got

1185
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: on my haircut in Philadelphia once and I had to

1186
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: It's like, fuck this guy. No, no, no, I used

1187
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: to I used to talk. I used to talk the crowd.

1188
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: That was my thing. I used to like. I used

1189
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: to say, Oh, he's gonna he's he's going to get

1190
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: it because of you. He's going to get it because

1191
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: you paid to see him. He's about to get all

1192
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: of all of these points. I'm not passing it no more.

1193
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: I'll do that. You gotta have that villain, Sorry, Gilbert,

1194
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: with these your least favorite jerseys to wear it, because

1195
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: this was a tough error for jerseys. Some of these

1196
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: the gold and black, not my favorites. What you like it?

1197
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: I was heat you like the man? I was heat.

1198
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: You guys are gold black in the uniform. I know,

1199
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: but it had the stars, It had the stars on

1200
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: It just made me feel like I'm a star. Every

1201
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: time I wore that dealers, I don't know, it just

1202
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: made it just made me feel good. Every time I

1203
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: wore that jersey, someone got the ass busted. You did

1204
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: not want to see me in the gold. So we

1205
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: you talked about Kwame. Were there any other players that

1206
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: you were like, I just don't like this dude. Like teammates, no,

1207
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean anything, teammates, opponents, anyone we were like, I

1208
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: don't I don't like this guy. I want to mess

1209
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: this dude up on the court. On the court. Yeah, not, no, no, no, nothing.

1210
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: I never had any personal problems with you know, any

1211
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: players on the court. I never took it personal, no

1212
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: matter how dirty they were. It kind of actually made

1213
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: me play. Who was the dirtiest believe it or not?

1214
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: John Stockton, Oh I believe it. He's like a QAnon guy.

1215
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Of course? Dirty? Yeah, Like

1216
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: my first two years, I'm like, Yo, this dude is

1217
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: just dirty player. Bro's just he's just dirty, Like like

1218
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: he pull he'll pull you elbow you knee, you like,

1219
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: he do all of them. He did all of that.

1220
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: The short shorts were just a disguise to get your

1221
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: mind off of how dirty he was. Yeah he was.

1222
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm glad I didn't

1223
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: play in the eighties. This is this is this is

1224
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: not it's not basketball right here? Who else was dirty?

1225
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: Who else was a dirty player? Usually it was more

1226
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: bigs like like Reggie Evans, uh, players like that. Guards

1227
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: weren't listen most players. Most players that just were were

1228
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: just not very good. Skilled players were usually the dirty

1229
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: players like Bruce Boyn was considered the dirty player. But

1230
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: try hard guys didn't. It didn't. It didn't work on me.

1231
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: It didn't that his his waight of what two o five,

1232
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, like him, Roger Bill, like the stuff they

1233
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: were doing with Kobe. They didn't really I didn't. I

1234
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: didn't really get that treatment. Well, you finished the game.

1235
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 1: I mean you were clearly on our tests, our test

1236
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: metaworld piece. He was at the comedy show this weekend,

1237
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, oh shit, run

1238
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: our tests in the crowd. But he came to the

1239
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: late show, so I was hammered. So I flubbed the opener,

1240
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, fuck, I'm bombing for run our tests.

1241
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: I turned it around, but I was like, man, bomber.

1242
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: So you go out and you outscore Kobe. Sixty points

1243
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: are sixteen in overtime. He only has four legendary game

1244
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: you find out you have sixty. There's there's some talk

1245
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: that was there. Did you guys have a phone call

1246
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: after this? Did he call you or something? Or am

1247
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: I just getting terrible info? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. So so

1248
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: what ends up happening is so when we go into

1249
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: locker room, you know, I'm all excited, right, you know,

1250
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: I scored sixty points on Kobe and coach says yeah,

1251
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: and we want to get He's like, and we won

1252
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: the game. I said, man, fuck that game, Kobe. Do

1253
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: you really think I cared about the game winning the game? No,

1254
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 1: I just scored sixty on Kobe. So everybody's laughing and stuff,

1255
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: and we're getting on the bus and some of the

1256
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: some of what he said came out like, oh, he

1257
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: had no conscious, he doesn't have a conscious. So I

1258
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: changed my name to I don't have a conscious. And

1259
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: then Karan gets on the phone and we're just jab

1260
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: going back and forth. Oh, We're just going back and forth.

1261
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: And and I remember Brendan Hay was say, telling you

1262
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: the mongoose, you tell that man, I'm the black mongoose

1263
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: because I guess I guess that's the rival, the mongoose

1264
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: and the mamba. No one knows this, but the mongoose

1265
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: will fuck a mamba up. Dude. They also have good

1266
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: Have you watched YouTube video YouTube of video of a

1267
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: mongoose versus a snake. The mongoose wins, dude, Yeah, but

1268
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: what's so funny. It's like that is like the equal

1269
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,799
Speaker 1: like so it's like a fifty to fifty battle between

1270
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: the two. So when I I yelled out, He's like,

1271
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: all right, we'll see, I'll be I'll be there when

1272
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: I come there. Have that same energy, have that same

1273
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: energy when I come there. But yeah, I will. Would

1274
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: you have rather will? Would you rather have dropped eighty

1275
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: with an l against the Lakers and Kobe eight eighty eighty? Yeah?

1276
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's Kobe Bryan. I probably you know

1277
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: it's it's like scoring four touchdowns, five touchdowns. I'm like, yeah,

1278
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: you know, bragging, right, So I'll take the listen, I'll

1279
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: take the eighty points and the loss because I know

1280
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: that eighty points is going to irritate him the rest

1281
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: of his life. Is this the is this? Was this

1282
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: your most Was this your favorite game of your career? No?

1283
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: Which one of my favorite game was? It was two

1284
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: games later. It was in Phoenix when I dropped fifty four.

1285
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: You were hot. I remember you got on a hot streak. Yeah,

1286
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: So with that, it was more impersonal thing because if

1287
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: you watch the Redeem Team, you'll you'll see glimpse of

1288
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: me in it. I was I was number ten, and

1289
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: I felt that because this was a Nike event, I

1290
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: thought they were kind of like biased against Adida players.

1291
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: So you know, I wasn't fairly judged in my mind,

1292
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: because you know, I was part of the second unit,

1293
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: and I was the best player in the second unit.

1294
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: Like I did everything for the second unit, Like the

1295
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: only reason we competed with the with the first unit

1296
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: was because of me. Like if we won games against

1297
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: the first unit, it was because of me. Like they

1298
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: just Kirk Heinrich and Bruce boy and and just gave

1299
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: me the ball and let me just camera that unit.

1300
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: It was basically like a one man It was a

1301
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: one man wrecking show against the starting unit. Who else

1302
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: is on that lineup? Who who are the bigs and

1303
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: on my team? I had Antoine Jamison, I had Brad Miller,

1304
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: I had Shane Daddy A. I might have had Bosh

1305
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 1: with me, but I don't think I had Bosher. I

1306
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: think Boscher was on that side. Joe Johnson was on

1307
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: that side, Chris Paul was on that side. So I hadn't. Yeah,

1308
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: you see, you see where someone like me is in heaven.

1309
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, I they told me that I'm on the

1310
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: bubble of making the team because I pulled my groin,

1311
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, slight pool. So I was nervous, and I

1312
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I don't and this I was.

1313
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: I was being polite, I was being a real teammate.

1314
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I think I pulled my

1315
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: growing and I don't want to hold up a position

1316
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: for someone else to make this That's how cocky I was.

1317
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: Now for someone else to make this team, because I

1318
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: don't know how long I'm gonna be out or this

1319
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: is going to be lingering. And uh, Clanjo was like, Oh,

1320
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 1: don't worry, You're on a bubble anyway, yeah, uh uh okay,

1321
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: all right, Oh okay, I'm out of here. That was

1322
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: the shortest flight I've ever had. The derage of what

1323
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: he said, like, I'm on, I'm on a bubble. You

1324
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: got Shane Batty on that team, Bruce Bowen's on that team,

1325
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: and I'm on, I'm on a bubble. I'm the only

1326
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: two time All NBA player on that team and I'm

1327
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: on the bubble. That's all. I was just running through

1328
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: my head the whole time. And I remember I went

1329
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: to mcmannimon and he was my ghost writer at the

1330
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: time for my blog, and I remember I went to

1331
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 1: him and right before was it was it Greece? No?

1332
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: Was it was it Grease who he lost to in

1333
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: two thousand and six? No name, So right before they

1334
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: lost the Argentina, So right before the game. So I

1335
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: did the article. It was just a straight it was

1336
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: a straight Tupac moment. You know, I'm going to you know,

1337
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: if I can go back to college. I was scoring

1338
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: like sixty on Coach K. You know when I when

1339
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: we played the Blazers. When we play the Suns, I'm

1340
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: scoring fifty against them. And I also said in the

1341
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: article you can ask Day, I said, the way coach

1342
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: K is running his lineup they're not winning gold, right,

1343
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,959
Speaker 1: They're not winning gold. Because he had all the shooters

1344
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,520
Speaker 1: on the bench and had all the drivers and slashers

1345
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: that you know in the starting lineup, which made the

1346
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: court congested for them. And then right before the game,

1347
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: right before he was gonna like air it, I said,

1348
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, just take that part out. I don't want

1349
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 1: to be that guy. I don't want to be that guy.

1350
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: But everyone just hates because I said that, you know,

1351
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: So he took he took it out. And then I

1352
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: remember in the morning, I woke up and said, Yo,

1353
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: they lost. I was like ooh, I said, I hope

1354
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: this never gets out that I said that. So when

1355
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: we when we went to Phoenix, fifty's on my mind everyone,

1356
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: the whole team though y'all, y'all ain't get y'all are

1357
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: not getting the ball. Okay, don't even ask for the ball.

1358
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: Don't look for the ball if you're open, and I

1359
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: missed you it was on purpose. Okay, fifty is in

1360
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: my brain tonight, so everyone knew. I was tuned in.

1361
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: We're in layup line. We're in layup line, and I

1362
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: got my mad face on, like yeah, and then Tony says, hey,

1363
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: arenas you're gonna need more than fifty to beat us.

1364
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: So at this point, they're in an eighteen game winning streak.

1365
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: So they're in an eighteen game winning streak, and they're

1366
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: the number one team in the NBA at the point.

1367
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: So when he said that, I was like, don't worry,

1368
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: I will I'm gonna score more than fifty. Then went

1369
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: out there had fifty four and one. That was like,

1370
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, like that was a cool Suns team too.

1371
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean that was the fast paced Nashamari Sean Marion.

1372
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean that that was a tough team. Yeah, that

1373
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: team was. I mean, you know, the runoff eighteen games,

1374
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, just let you know how like mentally focused

1375
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: that team was, how together they were. That's just really

1376
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: hard to do in the NBA. You know, ten games

1377
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: is ten games. Fucking five games is hard. Let alone,

1378
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, eighteen games. It just means you're not you're

1379
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: really dowed in as a unit, and you're learning how

1380
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: to win games you don't supposed to win, like you know,

1381
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: like the fourth game in five nights, you know, you know,

1382
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: scheduled losses, like games like that you're supposed to lose,

1383
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: and the fact that you know a team like that

1384
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: was running off eighteen game winning streaks was just amazing.

1385
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: Had life change for all silly Gilly after you hit

1386
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: sixty and then fifty four? Was did life change? Did

1387
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: you have an uptick? What was going on? Every you're

1388
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: getting video game covered? I mean, what's going on? That

1389
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 1: was a rock star baby like I was. It was

1390
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: like a rock You couldn't you couldn't tell me nothing.

1391
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: I even put in a rule with the team. It was.

1392
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't a hard rule, but it was. It was

1393
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: a rule, if you don't make five million dollars, do

1394
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: not talk to me directly. I am a superstar. Now, well, Gilbert,

1395
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 1: this interview was over. It was it was like talk

1396
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: to someone who makes five million. If they make five million,

1397
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: then they relate a message. Walton, Yeah, so it was.

1398
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: It was one of those where you know, at that time,

1399
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: we were just all just we were just all as

1400
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: a unit, just having fun. Like we felt like like real,

1401
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 1: like there's some teams you're on and you're NBA team,

1402
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: but you don't feel like an NBA team. We felt

1403
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 1: like we were an NBA team. Like we were going

1404
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: places there's there's people standing outside and you know, waiting

1405
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: for you. You know, it's like we're we made it.

1406
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: We're We're to the point where I'm famous enough to

1407
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: have people wait at two in the morning. We got

1408
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: a problem to stay focused. I mean, you have this

1409
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: celebrity now and you is a team going out and

1410
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: partying too much because you because you can. You know,

1411
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: there's just certain cities you're gonna party in no matter what. Miami,

1412
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, some guys go to Houston, Atlanta, La, New York, Boston.

1413
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna find your hot spots to party

1414
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: and just let some air, you know, let your your

1415
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: hair down, especially if you have like a day off

1416
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: or something. But you have your party bowl. You have

1417
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: your party boys, you have your dinner guys, and then

1418
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: you have your you know, sit in the room movie guys.

1419
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, you have a little bit of it. Got

1420
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: your strip club guys. You know, so you got you

1421
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: got your team doing what it does at a very

1422
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: high level. What guy were you day before the game?

1423
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 1: I was to sit in the room, order you know,

1424
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: room service and watch moviestimes. You diversify what kind of

1425
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: guy you were. You know, sometimes you were strip club guy,

1426
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 1: maybe right, not not the day before the game. Like,

1427
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: so it was I think I I learned a habit

1428
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: from Magic Johnson. He said it. He was like, yeah,

1429
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have sex the night before the game.

1430
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: Like I thought that was a real thing. So I'm oh,

1431
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: that's what Magic Johnson does. That's what I'm gonna do,

1432
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you you have these

1433
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: little things that you put in your brain that you

1434
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: heard from superstars, right, and you you know, you try

1435
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: to implement him in your life. So during the season,

1436
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, this is the season.

1437
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: This is when I need to be focused. So I'm

1438
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: only going to go out two times this year. So

1439
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: whoever's birthday is popping, I'm going to that one. The

1440
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: rest of y'all can just basically for off. You're, by

1441
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: the way, the first guest to use Magic Johnson as

1442
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: sex advice as a reference on this podcast. No one's

1443
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: done that ever. Also, I mean he must have if

1444
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: he didn't do it before a game, he must have

1445
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: put like two or three up on off days or something.

1446
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: He was a machine. Come on, you heard that, right?

1447
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,759
Speaker 1: You heard him say that before. I've never heard that. Nineties.

1448
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 1: I remember in the in the show this week. But

1449
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: that's all I heard in the showtime book. I remember

1450
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: he loaned his car to a teammate and the car

1451
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: lit on fire and blew up, and he didn't even

1452
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: care about the car, but he was mad that a

1453
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: girl's number was in the glove compartment. That's how much

1454
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: ass magic got in the eighties. Wow, I mean that

1455
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: was before the apps. Couldn't just you know, you have

1456
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: to have a number. But you know how like the A. C.

1457
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: Green stories, he didn't have sex until he got Like

1458
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: those are the things that you know, when you're a kid,

1459
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,759
Speaker 1: you listen to and you're like, this is what makes

1460
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: these guys great. We got to ask you because we

1461
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: had Shane Baddier on this podcast actually, and we talked

1462
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: about the Duke Arizona game. Straight trash, straight trash, bro, Yeah,

1463
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,560
Speaker 1: what was what's your relation like with Shane? You know

1464
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: you were hurt that game, right, you were hurt? I was,

1465
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: I was hurt. I just hate all duke players, Like

1466
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that you just if

1467
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: they came from Duke, you just naturally just hate them.

1468
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: And he was on a team that that defeated us.

1469
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: He was you know he was a great leader. You know,

1470
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: he he willed that team with his leadership. You know that,

1471
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: and the refs helped, but you know he was a

1472
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: great He was a great leader for that that dude team.

1473
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: Now did that? Did Coach k come try to mentor

1474
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: you guys after you guys lost to them? Because he

1475
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: was known to like go into losing teams like locker

1476
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: room and say, hey, guys, I just want to say,

1477
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: you guys had a great game, great game plan versus us,

1478
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: and you all are extraordinary young men. No, no, I

1479
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: don't think he was coming into the the Luke Walton

1480
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 1: idols and locker room, you know, making that type of speech. Yeah,

1481
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: so Richard Jefferson said that you're the best player ever

1482
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: to come out of Arizona. Do you think he's right? No,

1483
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: that's no cap, that's facts, yeah, no doubt no, no, no,

1484
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: no cap. And I only played two years and and

1485
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 1: and you know I was the best. I was the

1486
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: best player that ever played for that team, because you

1487
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: got to remember I played with four all McDonald players,

1488
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: and I led the team to scoring. If is a

1489
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 1: really good team. If I didn't have three of them,

1490
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: I would have led the nation and scoring every year. Now, Gilly,

1491
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: did you did you take a pay cut for the

1492
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: first couple of years when you left Arizona. Oh, well,

1493
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: they can't do nothing to me now. It felt like

1494
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: it felt like it. It really felt like it, because

1495
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: it's not like we were getting paid from the school.

1496
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: And I didn't get any money from the school to boosters. Yeah,

1497
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: not even not even boosters. It's the everyday people like

1498
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm going to Sonics, you know, you know,

1499
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: the managers like milon as you play for Arizona, You're

1500
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: guild of arenas, Like I'm going to the mall. It's

1501
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: all nuts, don't worry about or here's a big discount,

1502
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: you know. So it was just the city itself of Tucson,

1503
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, just looking out for you know, the players,

1504
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: and making sure that you know, we know you guys

1505
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: can't get jobs or get paid, so we're gonna as

1506
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,560
Speaker 1: a community, we're going to help you guys out. So

1507
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: I didn't really pay for anything. It didn't say and

1508
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: you guys didn't get paid when you're making the school

1509
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: money like that. The Florida football guys that I played

1510
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: with for a long time, they were always complaining about

1511
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: the pay cuts, so it never happened at ken State.

1512
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 1: I went to a shitty school. Do you think this

1513
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: game is Richard Jefferson's fault because I've heard you say

1514
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: that before, yes, like like no, listen, he doesn't think so,

1515
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: because he had his best game of a tournament, right,

1516
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: it was his best game of a tournament. I really

1517
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: I'm really like disappointed with how they draft and how

1518
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: did he make the lottery or right after the lottery

1519
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 1: when he averaged ten points all three years of college

1520
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 1: exactly ten? Like he didn't move up, like he didn't

1521
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: get better. So how did this guy become a lottery pick?

1522
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: So because he had a his best game of his career.

1523
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: But the guy who was guarding also had the best

1524
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: game of his tournament life, dune Leavy. Dun' leavy was

1525
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: having a horrible tournament and he goes off like dun

1526
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: Leavy literally beat us that game three straight three is right? Yeah,

1527
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: fell like ten, fell like ten. We got to get

1528
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 1: back to the sixty point game. We you know our

1529
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: podcast his name is Games of Names. What do we

1530
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: name this game? Which we name it? Hm? Hm the

1531
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 1: speed limit? I hit the speed limit on him? Speed

1532
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: lib Well, I mean there is, I mean there is.

1533
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: The speed limit on the freeway is sixty, right, sixty five,

1534
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: some places seventy and others, but a lot of places sixty,

1535
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: I do believe. Yeah, Okay, see there you go right there.

1536
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: You can never hit sixty in LA though. The cars

1537
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: never moved, And that's why it's called the speedlight speed

1538
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: so much goddamn traffic out there. You ain't going sixty

1539
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: unless you unless you're agent zero. Yeah. See, it's hard

1540
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: to do. That's why only two people has done it.

1541
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: Me and what Chamberlain will the still what did we

1542
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: miss anything about this game or about just this time

1543
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: in the NBA? You know, I mean, it's just one

1544
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: of those times where when you look at today's game

1545
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: and you're saying it's a faster game. When we had

1546
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: an era where you have a guy who have thirty five,

1547
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: a guy who have a thirty three, thirty one, and

1548
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm at I'm fourth in scoring at twenty nine. This

1549
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: is almost this is what's fifteen years ago, and we're

1550
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 1: in a faster paced game today. It lets you know,

1551
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it lets you know like something, something's not

1552
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: really adding up a lot of three balls just a

1553
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: lot of three balls? Is that up? Yeah? It's who

1554
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: do you like? Now? I like a little bit of everybody,

1555
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really have favorite, you know, so

1556
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: I like, you know, Job like Luca Joker, Tatum Brown,

1557
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 1: you know, of course, Kyrie, Katie, Lebron, Curry, Love Booker

1558
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: over there, Trey Young, Game letterc h basically all the superstars,

1559
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: just you know, just you know Ben Simmons, you know,

1560
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: I just I like the way he plays the game.

1561
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, he just doesn't do what he can't do.

1562
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 1: If he can't do it, he's not gonna do it

1563
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: no matter, you know. Like I would love playing with

1564
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: a guy who who really don't want to shoot like that,

1565
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, a guy who's just gonna get me the

1566
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: ball the whole time. Like you're like, dude, you're an

1567
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: NBA player. Should he's his form. It's like weird when

1568
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: a guy like that his form looks right and he

1569
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: just doesn't ever take it. You know. I was so funny.

1570
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: I've watched him train weeks of it and he's a

1571
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: good shooter, Like he's he's actually a good shoot. Like

1572
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: I sat there and and just watch him, and I'm

1573
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: like I'm looking at his phone and looking at his feet,

1574
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the hell's going on with you?

1575
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 1: Like why isn't it translating to the game. And I

1576
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 1: don't know if you have this in football, but there's

1577
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: just certain type of players that just can't shoot, and

1578
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 1: it's because of their speed. They're too fast. I don't

1579
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: it sounds like a weird thing. Well, it's like catching

1580
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: the ball fast. It's like catching the ball. Some guys

1581
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,799
Speaker 1: are too fast to catch the ball. Their eyes are bouncing,

1582
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: they can't concentrate in a high pressure situation and they're

1583
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: white ass open, but they're running so fast, arms up.

1584
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 1: They don't catch the ball. They don't. It's a focus factor.

1585
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: It's tough. You get the yes. Sometimes, you know, confidence

1586
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: goes a long way and catch let them or in

1587
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: shooting that was like you always had like you know,

1588
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: everyone drops the ball. And then sometimes you're like, damn,

1589
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: that fucks up your confidence. You got to get out

1590
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 1: of that. You know. It's like anything, but you gotta

1591
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to shake shit off. Yeah. So,

1592
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: like like if you look at it, if you go

1593
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: like through history, like you look at Jason Kidd, right,

1594
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: super fast, couldn't shoot you got, you know, your Westbrooker.

1595
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: You have the shoot at the end, at the at

1596
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: the end of his career, kid On once they slowed down.

1597
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: Se when you're when you're taking that speed and you're

1598
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: going and you're letting your engine go and trying to

1599
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: stop and pull up a jumper doesn't work with you know.

1600
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: So you got the Ben Simmons, you got Westbrook, and

1601
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,839
Speaker 1: that's their problem. They have too much speed and torque.

1602
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: So when they're trying to stop, it just messes up everything.

1603
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: So Westbrook shot has gotten worse. I think over time,

1604
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 1: right like that is the I felt like he was

1605
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: making a great stride around and when he was in

1606
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: ok see those those that third fourth year pulling up

1607
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: that mid range jumper, that little mid range jumper. It

1608
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 1: was like hitting consistently, and then all of a sudden,

1609
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 1: it just seems like he's pressing. He's just pressing. Now.

1610
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, he's just he's just playing

1611
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: out of position at this point. You know, he's used

1612
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: to the ball, he's used to feeling it, getting to

1613
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: feel of it, getting you know, so the fact that

1614
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: you know when he does touch it is like one

1615
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 1: of those things, all right, I got to try to

1616
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: do something with it. Now, you know, more of like

1617
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,560
Speaker 1: a two men, you know, type of skill, and he

1618
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: does not have that, and it just it's just throwing

1619
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: them off. It happens, believe it or not. It happened

1620
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:16,759
Speaker 1: with Lebron when Lebron went When Lebron went to Miami

1621
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 1: that first year, and they started off the season oh

1622
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,759
Speaker 1: to eight because Lebron was playing a natural three position

1623
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: where Bibby was the point, he was the three, and

1624
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: they just wasn't clicking. And they were like because they

1625
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: played against us, they got they win and they're run

1626
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: against us. They put Lebron at the point, put Bibby

1627
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 1: at the two on the offense so Lebron can have

1628
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 1: the ball coming full speed downhill. And then they went

1629
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 1: on a twenty two game winning streak. So note to self,

1630
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 1: if you're fast, you can't shoot bummer. Can't have it all,

1631
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: can't have it all. Gilly, We appreciate you coming on, man,

1632
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 1: you were electric. You're an electric player. You're entertained as fuck.

1633
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: What's your podcast name? No Chill with Gilbertarenas Everyone, Go

1634
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 1: listen to it, click subscribe on Footbow TV. Oh and

1635
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: I used to I have a combo. So you know,

1636
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 1: I was a Patriots fan. So yeah, so my combo

1637
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: I called you guys, MJ. So whenever you whenever you

1638
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown, it was the MJ moment because it

1639
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,839
Speaker 1: was twelve and eleven. So from me from twelve to eleven,

1640
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: MJ movin goat goat status was the golt status. I

1641
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 1: love it. Man. We used to have so we had

1642
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: play called Jordan and it was like, yeah, it's our

1643
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: go toube play. It was an empty formation. I'm on

1644
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: the right and I got a juke ride. I got

1645
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 1: like fifty two yards to basically get open and that

1646
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 1: was our And with seams you got Gronk. Down the

1647
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 1: seam you got you know, Marty b On the other

1648
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: seam you got Katie and on the outside like so

1649
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: we used to we used to always mix it up

1650
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: with some basketball term. I knew it. I'm so dumb

1651
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: that that took me. I thought, I just realized that

1652
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,679
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. For a second, I was like, Michael Jackson,

1653
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: twelve and eleven year old. They got it's the goal,

1654
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 1: it's the gold. Well, now I get it. Now I

1655
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 1: Knowdan too. And then the fact that they had the

1656
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: play called it going to You legendary, legendary. Hey man,

1657
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 1: I'll have to get up on your podcast. One of

1658
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: these days. We'll have to have a no chill moment.

1659
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: We'll have Sam come on too. Yeah, hell, no problem,

1660
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 1: no problem, thank you, thank you for having me. I

1661
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. Man. All right, all right, Fellas,

1662
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: he was great. He's he's he's a fun guy and

1663
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: he's and he is. No no shortage of confidence. No,

1664
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: it would have been crazy to see if he would

1665
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 1: have kept it together health wise. Yeah. How fucking like.

1666
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 1: He was unstoppable. He was boring ball he was, he was,

1667
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 1: he had it all. He could show it three years

1668
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 1: where it was like like get the fuck out of

1669
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, I mean it was on the cover

1670
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: of eNB two K. It was live, I think live. Yeah,

1671
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: before live was Live was a lesser game. Yeah, two

1672
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: K was better. Live had its moment before two K existed,

1673
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: for sure. Live was the game. Yeah, and then two K,

1674
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: Dreamcats Amateurs, NBA jams was the real ship. Yeah, if

1675
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: you're fucking casual, man, NBA jam is fine. No K

1676
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: has fucking depth. Hell no, dude, I used to love

1677
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: like saying you prefer poly Shore movies the Citizen Kane,

1678
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: what are you talking about it? It's about biodome. Poly

1679
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: Shore is fun. I'm saying biodome what it was? Just

1680
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: thing Citizen game. It's a classic. What was it the

1681
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: wize I used to like poly Shore. Yeah, no, I

1682
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: meant about I liked NBA Jam. That is a very

1683
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: fair I mean it was Sega. We were like two gigabytes.

1684
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the the computer term is.

1685
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: We have nothing. He's eating up. NBA Jam is a classic. Yeah,

1686
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: it's like Blitz. It didn't blitz category. I get it.

1687
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: Blitz is Blitz is a classic too, I know, but

1688
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: they're in the same is better than blitz. Yeah, it's

1689
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 1: because you know two on two's gimmick. It's a gimmick.

1690
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: It's a gimmick. It's a gimmick, but it's not a traditional,

1691
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 1: like authentic, authentic type game. Jack, I see you NHL hits.

1692
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,600
Speaker 1: I remember Wayne Gretzky three D Hockey. That ship was

1693
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: fun fights. That was the first game where you could

1694
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: beat the shit out of someone. That was great. Just

1695
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:40,719
Speaker 1: hooking dudes, throwing checks. Never got into the NHL games.

1696
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: The good game a lot of guys. It was so fast.

1697
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: My dexterity wasn't there. But my initial reaction to this

1698
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: game is Gil Gilly, Silly Gilly. He's just entertaining. Yeah,

1699
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: he's a ideal guest on this show. Great stories. I

1700
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 1: mean coming out with Kobe, the fact that he got

1701
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 1: all excited when Kobe knew his name, having his boy

1702
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 1: talk shit to Kobe and then but he don't think

1703
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: he had his boy talk shit. I think that guy

1704
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: just like talks shit. Like can you imagine that you

1705
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: come in the league and your boy is just like,

1706
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 1: my man's gonna fuck you up? And Kobe's like, who

1707
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: are you? Like? That was insane. That story, Yeah, you

1708
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,600
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta keep the friends online. But then the

1709
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 1: end of the story is like he knew who arenas was?

1710
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of I remember I did a

1711
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: roast back in the day. I was twenty one years old.

1712
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: I did a Friars Club roast and I fucking bombed

1713
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 1: so hard I was. I went in cocky because there

1714
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: was like an audition to do it, and I killed

1715
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: the audition. So I was like, I'm fucking twenty one

1716
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: years old, What the fuck do I know. I go

1717
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 1: on and I eat shit on stage, and then a comic,

1718
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 1: Rich Voss goes on after me, and he's doing well

1719
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: and then he bombs one line. He goes, you fucker's

1720
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 1: better laugh. I'm bringing Sam back up. Oh and it

1721
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: And I was like wow. I was also like, it's

1722
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: pretty cool that he knows my name. Even I was

1723
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 1: sad as that so I was that young. I was like,

1724
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: it's cool knew what my name was. I fucking stunk.

1725
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: So you're you were the Gilbert Arenas in that situation.

1726
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 1: I was Gilbert in that story. Wow. Yeah, I kobe.

1727
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: Knowing who Arenas was is is pretty cool. Yeah. I

1728
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: mean there and then he really fucking knew who he was.

1729
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 1: He loved playing in LA That's the second guest we

1730
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: said that we we we've talked to that said he

1731
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 1: liked playing the bright Lights. Yeah, the celebs. I mean,

1732
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: he can say he's not he doesn't give a shit

1733
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: that Nicholson's there. But you're not gonna not get up

1734
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 1: for that game. Yeah, it's like seeing Spike in the

1735
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 1: fucking garden. Yeah, you see Spike in the garden, I'd

1736
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: be like, oh shit, exactly. You don't get to see

1737
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 1: that as much in football because all the celebrities are

1738
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: usually in boxes. That's a good point, you know what

1739
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean. There's no like, there's no intimacy that you

1740
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,799
Speaker 1: get in basketball. That's the cool thing about out Like basketball,

1741
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 1: when you're playing in front of people, you can hear,

1742
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,799
Speaker 1: you could go when you shit court side and stuff,

1743
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: you could hear what the game and all that when

1744
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: you're you don't get to experience that in football unless

1745
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: you're on the sideline. Yeah, very rarely do you get

1746
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: to be on that sideline. Jack Nicholson, he's in boxes

1747
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: after the game, Jack Nicholson sex joke. Go fucked a

1748
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: lot in the seventies and eighties and nineties. Two thousands

1749
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 1: to two. Bet he slowed down. He's eighty five. I

1750
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 1: hope he slowed down just for his ticker. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1751
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 1: I believe that he said he rather lose and score eighty.

1752
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: That was awesome. The honesty is great that he'd like,

1753
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 1: I want eighty because he knew it would bother Kobe

1754
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: more than a win. Yeah, although I don't know Kobe

1755
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: wanted to win it all callts he I don't would

1756
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 1: do you think Kobe would say the same thing. I

1757
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: don't think he would. I think Kobe would rather have

1758
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: sixty and win. I was always the kind of guy

1759
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 1: if I was alling out and it was a close game,

1760
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 1: I was just praying that we won the game, because

1761
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: you don't, you can't feel good about it. No, right,

1762
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: it well doesn't matter. No one remembers lost shit. Yeah,

1763
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: even if you go off like look at like Gabriel

1764
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: last year and the playoffs had four touchdowns. That's fucking

1765
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 1: insane against the Kansas City Chiefs in the divisional round

1766
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: and like we're talking about the Chiefs, you know, I

1767
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 1: mean you're talking about four in which I think was

1768
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 1: almost was that a record that could have been a record.

1769
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: We'll see Val Bundy, Shit Al Bundy. I love Al

1770
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 1: Bundy and in my pants on the couch Man classic peg.

1771
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 1: Do we hit the bulls of prop bet how many

1772
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 1: beefs we could bring up? Demolished? We demolish it? Well?

1773
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:48,799
Speaker 1: We had Gilbert who just has so much The Kwame

1774
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 1: beef is maybe the most fun beef. I mean it

1775
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 1: didn't stop there either. We had John Stockton beef, which

1776
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: I love. This is an anti John Stockton podcast. Buck

1777
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: stock then Cohorts let's say basketball. He had beef with

1778
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: all of Duke basketball. He had beef with Yeah, he

1779
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:09,719
Speaker 1: definitely went a batti batty, a little beef with NCAA refs,

1780
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 1: beef with the National Title game, Richard Jefferson, beef with

1781
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 1: RJ his own teammate, bef beef with the entire NBA

1782
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 1: draft system, which I love. That's true. Well, I mean,

1783
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be angry that you go thirty

1784
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: one and Kwame go is one and you're like that, dude,

1785
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean when you I get it.

1786
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 1: But that that creates a chip on his shoulder, that

1787
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: made him play better, That makes him It's what makes

1788
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: agent zero, agent zero. You know exactly what's the legacy

1789
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 1: for this game? Just gild going off. We're doing. This

1790
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,799
Speaker 1: is a regular season game. The steaks are non existent.

1791
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 1: It's just a cool game. We're watching hot this these

1792
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 1: like next few did he have fifteen like a couple

1793
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: other ones, like you said, fifty four in the Suns. Yeah,

1794
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 1: and they snapped an eighteen game. Oh, he had to

1795
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 1: hit a beef with the son's coach, Yep, D'Antoni at

1796
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 1: the Olympics or something. He had a beef with the

1797
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 1: Olympic system, and we can go on with the beefs.

1798
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: This is a lot of beef. Where's the beef? They

1799
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 1: had a beef with his microphone two for a while

1800
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: and the zipper on his jacket. That's true. That was

1801
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 1: a beef. He had a beef with the head the

1802
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 1: cordless headphones. That's true. He's a podcaster. How the fuck

1803
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:24,560
Speaker 1: we knock at his audio? He had a beef with

1804
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: the camera on a podcast. The camera was on his

1805
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 1: neck for a while. I mean, the guy, he loves beef.

1806
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 1: He's my kind of guy. I like burgers. He was.

1807
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 1: I still like beef. I still think about this era

1808
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: and how much joy he gave me to watch him.

1809
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he really was just fun to watch, just

1810
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:49,600
Speaker 1: an incredible player. And then I think it underappreciated and

1811
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 1: somewhat forgotten player from this era. I think you don't

1812
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,560
Speaker 1: hear his name enough for how good he was. And

1813
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: it goes into that category just like you know, bib.

1814
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 1: You know you don't win one, You're not really getting

1815
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 1: the recognition. There's only like a few. You have to

1816
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 1: be super elite for a long time, like Dan Marino

1817
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 1: or Charles Barkley for guys that didn't win it, sure

1818
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 1: that get remembered. Patrick Ewing, guy, you know what I mean.

1819
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys you have to you have

1820
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 1: to like, and I feel bad for those guys. John Stockton,

1821
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: Stockton Malone. I liked that they didn't win one. Yeah,

1822
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 1: me too. Fuck the Utah Jazz Dude, I'm fucking Mitt

1823
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,600
Speaker 1: Romney's dumb Khakis at his game with his jersey on.

1824
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about Utah. So like good people,

1825
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: and I do like the crowds there, but really nice people. Yeah,

1826
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 1: and a lot more diverse than I thought. Hooked up

1827
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: with the Mormon ones there and she was like blown

1828
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 1: away that I had body hair. She was like, oh

1829
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: my god, you're so Jewish. And I was like, this

1830
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: is like the bar is so low. It's amazing. They're

1831
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 1: very Scandinavian out there. They are. They're very like blonde hair,

1832
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 1: blue eye. Oh yeah, Joseph smith Man, you come in

1833
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: whit you come and look at ethnic, look at ethnic.

1834
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:08,640
Speaker 1: You know you're a looking Jew like me. They're just like,

1835
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this? It's great. Sixty is the

1836
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: most anyone ever scored on Kobe so that is that

1837
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 1: is huge. That's you think about the great players who

1838
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 1: went against Kobe. You weren't getting it. Kobe took it personal.

1839
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: He did. You came to the Staples Center. This was

1840
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: in the Staples Center. He took it personally. And you

1841
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 1: know what do you call himself the black mongoose? Goilber's

1842
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,679
Speaker 1: the black mongoose because the mongoose can eat the snake

1843
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,639
Speaker 1: the mambas. I feel like he said fifty to fifty.

1844
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 1: I feel like the mongoose owns a snake. We could

1845
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 1: look into that jack when we do, when we forget,

1846
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 1: But like, do you feel like the mongoose owns this snack?

1847
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,600
Speaker 1: I just read that a lady went missing in like

1848
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 1: Indonesia and they found her in a boa constrictor's body. Damn.

1849
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: Like she's fifty four. Her husband saw a big fat

1850
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:02,600
Speaker 1: snake like half of a body. It's gotta be a

1851
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 1: rough way to go. Just squeeze you to death and

1852
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 1: then it just swallows you. Is that how they do it?

1853
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 1: That's how they do it, damn or was it anaconda?

1854
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: It was one of the two, but regardless, that's crazy

1855
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: lasting image. Yeah, what's the image of sticks with the

1856
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: other game. To me, it's just almost like Gilbert and

1857
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 1: those ugly ass jerseys, which he thinks are awesome. He

1858
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 1: said he went off every time he was in them.

1859
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 1: He loved them. I think the I don't know how

1860
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 1: you guys feel. I think they're the most hideous jerseys.

1861
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 1: But it's gil and the ugly jersey just elevating with

1862
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 1: a jump shot. That's how that's the image to me. Yeah,

1863
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: I'd agree those jerseys are Do anyone else know, Jack,

1864
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan. I mean, there's it almost goes

1865
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 1: in that category though, that they're so ugly, they're kind

1866
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 1: of cool now. I just I'm not a huge fan

1867
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 1: of any of the Wizard's jersey. I think the old

1868
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Bullets jerseys, the Reds are pretty fucking up. Those are

1869
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 1: bad ass. Red, white and blue Bubs. You apparently you can,

1870
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I think the Pats jerseys are cool, honestly,

1871
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: but I don't like the No. The classics are not bad.

1872
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 1: Classics are insane. Reds, Yeah, Reds are awesome. They Red

1873
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 1: is a cool jerse. The new ones are the blue

1874
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 1: on blue. I guarantee they won't be using those gray

1875
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:21,880
Speaker 1: pants again because they hadn't worn them in two years

1876
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,160
Speaker 1: or something, and they just got blown out on Monday

1877
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 1: Night football by the Chicago Cubs. I mean that's not

1878
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: their name, no, but they're kind of they're baby Bears. Yeah,

1879
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:37,120
Speaker 1: you don't think of the eighty five Bears when you're

1880
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 1: looking at this this this Bears team. Let's just say that.

1881
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 1: And the Pats got blown out when we supposed to

1882
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: do Jay Cutler's podcast. What happened with that? Speaking of Bears,

1883
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I love Jay. Yeah, we never

1884
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:51,200
Speaker 1: were supposed to do that. Jay is a likable Aaron Rodgers.

1885
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 1: Is it like as far as like they both have

1886
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 1: that kind of like arrogance, you know, like they both

1887
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers away better quarterback, don't get me wrong, but

1888
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, you know that Jay

1889
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 1: would call out his teammates. He just sat there like

1890
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: you had a cigarette, miserable face. Remember the cigarette memes

1891
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 1: that he always to have. He always had a cigarette

1892
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 1: in his mouth showed show. Uh. Yeah, what what do

1893
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 1: you make of this? Aaron Rodgers shit? Right now? I

1894
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 1: know this is like an Evergreen pop but I want

1895
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,600
Speaker 1: to I mean it's pretty crazy, right, Yeah, I don't know,

1896
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 1: it's there're different types of leadership skills. I guess look

1897
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: at it. Do you think this just should just started? Though?

1898
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 1: When they didn't retain Devonte Adams and he was like,

1899
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 1: what the fuck, dude, Well, you can't retain someone when

1900
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,679
Speaker 1: you get as big of a contract as as Aaron got.

1901
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 1: So so what do you think you think? I think

1902
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: he's about, you know, trying to make money right now. Yeah,

1903
01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: like let's call a spade of spade. Yeah. Does he

1904
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: want championships? No, he got one twenty years ago, twelve,

1905
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:00,600
Speaker 1: you know. And I love Aaron Rodgers of he's the

1906
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 1: most talented guy ever, but he's not ever. When you

1907
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 1: when you see the ball come off his hand, it's pretty.

1908
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 1: It's pretty sexy. More talented than Brady as far as

1909
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: like just straight pure throwing, and like it's just it's pretty.

1910
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 1: It's sexy. No, he's a great player, I'm not denying,

1911
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 1: But the thing is Brady like, he's more talented than

1912
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:26,400
Speaker 1: Mahomes or Alan. I would say. His accuracy is pretty

1913
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 1: damn his arm is pretty elite. It's Peyton manning. Peyton

1914
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: Many wasn't known for his arm, really, He's more known

1915
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: for the cerebral sight. Of it. What do we forget, Jack,

1916
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 1: We got a couple here. Gabe Davis was indeed doesn't

1917
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: indeed hold the record for most TV receptions in a

1918
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:50,680
Speaker 1: playoff game. Yeah right, brother, spot on over here in

1919
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:54,600
Speaker 1: the nat GEO corner, the mongoose is practically guaranteed to

1920
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 1: win against a black mambas. So what I'm saying he

1921
01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 1: said it was fifty to fifty, Yeah, mongoose, Droy's mambas.

1922
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 1: He's probably trying to be PC. I don't think that

1923
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 1: guy's PC. I don't think he's PC at all. I

1924
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 1: love I also love when Jules said that, Uh asked

1925
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 1: Gil if he made more money his last year at

1926
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 1: Arizona than his first year in the pros very basketball,

1927
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:25,719
Speaker 1: shack making more money in college, very basketball. Very good question.

1928
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: It was an honest question. I mean, she's I've seen

1929
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 1: it basketball. We need to do a basketball episode of that.

1930
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 1: I am fighting to get Trey and matt On and

1931
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 1: we talked. I feel like they don't like that movie.

1932
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 1: They have to love it. I don't think they like it.

1933
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love them. I

1934
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:48,639
Speaker 1: think South Park, Bigger, Longer, and Uncut is a top

1935
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 1: five comedy of all time. It's a masterpiece everything of

1936
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 1: what they do. They're They're Phenomenalica Team America is great.

1937
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 1: They're no, they're the best. How did they have they

1938
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 1: not been thrown thrown out? Oh yet? Were grandfathered in? Dude?

1939
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 1: Grandfathered in? Yeah, dude, And if people try to throw

1940
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 1: them out, we will fucking rally in the streets. The

1941
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 1: mister Jackson ship is so funny on that damn show.

1942
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:22,920
Speaker 1: So good. And then one mister Hanky, No, mister Jackson

1943
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 1: was Michael Jackson was a good one. Mister Jefferson and

1944
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:30,479
Speaker 1: mister Jefferson, Mister Jefferson, I love Chef. I was so

1945
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:32,720
Speaker 1: sad when Chef left, although the way they killed him

1946
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,679
Speaker 1: off was pretty badass. It's sad though, because Isaac Hayes

1947
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: died and I feel like they never passed it up.

1948
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: Fucking scientology dude. Yeah, he was cool, making fun of

1949
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 1: everybody else, made fun of Jews, black people, Ethiopians. Can't

1950
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 1: let ya. And then one last on the those Saudi

1951
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,840
Speaker 1: Nights Jerseys as we called him, Bill loved them. They

1952
01:49:55,920 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: only lasted three years. They're awful. I'm hilarious. He loved them.

1953
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 1: He loved them, He looked at us like we had

1954
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 1: a dick on our forehead. I know which I think

1955
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 1: would look better than those jerseys. Honestly, that's how bad.

1956
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: I would rather have a dick on my forehead than

1957
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 1: like an actual dick or a painted dick. Painted. I

1958
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 1: don't want actual. I didn't know we're going to dissect

1959
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 1: this one. I don't know. I just I was thinking

1960
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 1: about it. What's the name of the game. He called

1961
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 1: it the speed Limit Game, which I love. I love

1962
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: the name is sixty. I would think I'd think of

1963
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: it as Gilbert's sixty piece on Kobe. That's that's how

1964
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 1: I think of the game. But I do love the

1965
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 1: speed limit. What do you think the black Mongoose game?

1966
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 1: Black mongoose? All right, let's do it. Steaks. Steaks are

1967
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 1: nothing and a three and a half start. That's still

1968
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: Gilbert versus Kobe regular season. These were the two superstars.

1969
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: We're going three to five, Okay, but that's that's fair. No,

1970
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 1: Kyle of makes a good point. They were both five

1971
01:50:57,479 --> 01:51:01,560
Speaker 1: hundred teams. These aren't high school year? Is this? This was?

1972
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 1: Oh six six? You're right? I think I'm too eight.

1973
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 1: Maybe you're right. No steaks, No steaks. Star power is

1974
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: high because we got there was beef. Kobe steaks, but

1975
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 1: there was beef. That's my See, I hang out with

1976
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 1: the comic and I'm just getting fucking funnier by the second.

1977
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 1: That was clever. That was good. Okay, Kyler's trying to

1978
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: lower the score of everything today. I don't like this. Uh,

1979
01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: star power is high, man. We got we got Kobe,

1980
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 1: we got Odum, we got Arenas Kron Butler. Yeah, but

1981
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 1: it's not shocking Kobe. No, we're not going that high.

1982
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 1: But Nicholson's there, he was there. Nicholson raises anything he gets,

1983
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: He gets you a point easy. He's like, he's like

1984
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 1: a he's like a four four point guy for the

1985
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 1: spread for like an NFL team. If he doesn't play,

1986
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 1: you're dropping four points in the spread. Or if he

1987
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 1: does play, you're getting for me. Is he Josh Allen

1988
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:58,800
Speaker 1: right now for star power? Star power? No? For for

1989
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 1: points in the spread. I don't think he's Josh Allen

1990
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:05,719
Speaker 1: high right now because this is in seventies, or because

1991
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 1: this was late two thousand. Oh dude, he's even bigger

1992
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:10,760
Speaker 1: because it's like the Legend of Jack. I think two

1993
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 1: thousand and six Jack is even bigger, is it? Yeah,

1994
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 1: thinking about Chris, Chris Men was out there. Chris min

1995
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 1: is a big name, dude, star power. A seven point eight,

1996
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: that's fair. That's the first school. Kyler's alright, reluctant, all right, reluctant.

1997
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:29,000
Speaker 1: Seven eight. Gameplay is a good game if we're just

1998
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: going pure gameplay over time, a comeback forty five from Kobe,

1999
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 1: sixty from I'm going like eight seven. If we're just

2000
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 1: doing gameplay, it's it's great. It was good. It was

2001
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 1: It was fun basketball, fun regular season basketball. The name

2002
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 1: is not high either. This is not going to be

2003
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:48,600
Speaker 1: a high what's the name the Black Mongoos game. I

2004
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,760
Speaker 1: like the name. It's funny. It does score points for

2005
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 1: being funny. It's not iconic. So how are we are

2006
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 1: we raking it ranking on being iconic or funny? The

2007
01:52:57,479 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 1: speed limit of the black mamboo, black mongoose. We already

2008
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:04,560
Speaker 1: we already locked her in the black Mongoose game. So

2009
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a six to zero. It's a

2010
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 1: funny name, yeah, and it's got some it's got some

2011
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 1: story behind it, you know, in some like national geographic

2012
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 1: type shit. Yeah, this is a low score though, Yeah,

2013
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's still no shark week. Six to three,

2014
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 1: all right, respectable, it's a regular This actually, for a

2015
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 1: regular season game, is a pretty respectable score. Yeah, by

2016
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 1: two teams under five hundred. Yeah, but they did have

2017
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 1: two ballers that we all loved watching at that time

2018
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,600
Speaker 1: of basketball. So I almost part of me wants to

2019
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 1: go higher on gameplay. But it's locked in. We can't

2020
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,040
Speaker 1: do any it's locked. Once it's locked, it's locked. We

2021
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 1: can always review it. The mid season review show, Mid

2022
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:52,680
Speaker 1: season review show. Right behind this one lands us right

2023
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 1: behind the twenty eleven Stanley Cup Final that came in

2024
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 1: at a six ' five just ahead of the Giants

2025
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 1: National Belt Dumper Game, as it was known, eighteen innings

2026
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 1: in the NLD Belt Dumpers worse than this, I would

2027
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 1: agree with that. I agree, I agree this is a way.

2028
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 1: That was a fucking snooze fest. That game, alright, and

2029
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 1: it was fun as hell, but that game was a

2030
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:18,760
Speaker 1: snooze fest. Guys upset the Canucks game had a riot,

2031
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:22,719
Speaker 1: So that was and we ranked this higher than the Canucks.

2032
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 1: Just just sorry, hockey, sug hockey, that's right. What do

2033
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 1: they call hockey? Guys? Puckheads? You got seam heads for

2034
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 1: baseball football. I didn't even I've never even heard seam heads.

2035
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 1: What are dimple heads for golfers? Hoop heads makes sense?

2036
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,360
Speaker 1: Is that hoopads? I don't know. I don't know anyway.

2037
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:50,000
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Speaker 1: to do, rate and review. And that's all for this

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01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 1: episode of Games with Names, presented by winn Bet. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for listening. We had a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: with this one. Gilbert Renaz, thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. I'm Julian Edelman, I'm Sammurel and we'll see

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Speaker 1: it the next game.