1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stepan 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: never told her your protection to iHeartRadio, and welcome to 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: what is probably the penultimate episode of our Last of Us, 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: a mini series special wherein we react and discuss the 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: HBO Max series, which is not a sponsor. And thank 6 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: you to everyone who is lovingly pointed that out to me. 7 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned that there's an official podcast that they listen to. 8 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: That's all right, I understand. I haven't listened to it. 9 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Does that make you feel better? I only listen to 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: you Annie. Oh thanks, but I do have to remind 11 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: you that, yes, we are not sponsored. So yeah, no, 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: it's all friendly. It's all in good fun. I'm sure. 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure you hope. Yeah. I do appreciate you've been hosting. 14 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: We've been having watched parties. They've been a lot of fun. 15 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: So as always, there will be spoilers for episode eight, 16 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: called When We Are in Need, the most recent episode 17 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: of the Last of Us, and all of the episodes 18 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: before that. Samantha was very good, has been very good 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: of trying to get me to not spoil anything else. 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: So I think I think we can do it. This 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: one thing we got this we do but I oh, 22 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: I want to be like, let off the leash. I know, um, 23 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: I will wait, but we know even with this finale, 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: you still can't be fully off the leash. I know, 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: I know, I'm gonna I'm gonna put some annoying teaser 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: baked teaser things at the end of this one. If 27 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: you don't want to hear them, you can skip it, 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: but I have to put them in, Okay, And if 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, then you know. Um. 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: So these are coming out every Saturday after the most 31 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: recent episode has aired on Sunday, and they are replacing 32 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: my bi weekly Happy Hours, which you've probably noticed have 33 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: been classics. That will we'll go back to our readily 34 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: scheduled scheduling programming once this is over, probably probably probably. 35 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: They have announced a season two and three, but I 36 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: think that'll be at least two years from now. So yeah, yeah, yeah, 37 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: content morning on this one. We're not going to go 38 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: two in depth on these because this sounds really dire, 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: and this episode is really dire, but we are going 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: to be talking about them. Some pedophilia, sexual assault, attempts, cannibalism, 41 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: child abuse, and torture. This is the seconds. There's only 42 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: one more episode left, and I just saw headline that 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: it was record breaking with seventy four viewership increase from 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: the premiere. It was a lot. It was huge increase, 45 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: So a lot of people watched it, and it was 46 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: quite disturbing. I'll say that I got a lot of 47 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: once again angry text. Well sorry, so with that teaser, 48 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, can you give us your 49 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: excellent recap of the episode's Amantha? Well, before we do that, 50 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: I need to know, I need to do a check 51 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: in because there's one episode left. One episode. How are 52 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: we doing? Anny? Well, you saw I'm like excited. Now 53 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: it's Tuesday. It doesn't come out till next Sunday. I'm 54 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: very very excited. I think it's going to be absolutely bonkers. 55 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: I did get spoiled on one thing. I'm all mad 56 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: about that, but that's okay. Did I do it? Kind 57 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: of yeah? Did you did it? Nod? But it had 58 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: in conjunction with something else that happened together. It's something 59 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: I do think. It's it's only forty three minute song. 60 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: I think it's going to pack in a lot. I 61 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: think there was a recent article with Billy Ramsey where 62 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: she said this is going to really divide the fandom, 63 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: and I think that it will, and that's one of 64 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: the big things I've been wanting to talk about since 65 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah, so I'm like, I'm very very excited. 66 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: I like that kind of like angsty conversation that's going 67 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: to come out of it. I'm worried there's gonna be 68 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: a lot of like anger and hate, but that's kind 69 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: of part for the course for gaming, so that's unfortunate. 70 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: So I'm nervous as well, but I am very sad. 71 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm excited. Oh and are you doing okay? Knowing that 72 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: your Sundays are about to be a little bit emptier 73 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: without festivals. I am going to miss them. It's been 74 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: really fun. We hang out, we have like a meal, 75 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: we drank, we talk, and then we watch it together 76 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: and then I watch it again. It's like you and 77 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: my partner. I have a new tradition where you watch 78 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: it immediately after and I go to bed after everyone 79 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 1: is left in Samantha's gun to bed, we start again, 80 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: and I just like picking up on things that like, 81 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't really watch TV that off and I on 82 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: in the background a lot, but I don't really like 83 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: sit and watch, especially in a group, very often. So 84 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: it's been fun to do that be like, oh, look 85 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: at that Easter, I go look at that thing. I 86 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: am I'm gonna miss it a lot. And two years 87 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: and like I said, you know, I would say, even 88 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: if I have, you know, critiques about it, I wish 89 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: I will talk about and I've heard some from my 90 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: friends about it, like oh it's too short, it's moved 91 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: too fast, or all that stuff. I think it's good, 92 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: like undeniably, it's very good. And that has been very 93 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: nice to like just watch something and we have this 94 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: kind of feedback of people like, oh wow, I'm watching 95 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: it now and I love this and this scared me 96 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: so much or whatever it is. From people in person 97 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: and from people online. It's been very fun. Good. I'm glad. Yes, 98 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: now that we've done the check in, let's do this 99 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: recap very ready. So we open up watching a new 100 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: group of people sitting together reading a verse from Revelation. 101 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: It seems that they are very churchy, very religious group 102 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: of people. They are mourning at the same time they're 103 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: worshiping together. A young woman, young lady, probably teens, is 104 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: crying and cannot stop from crying. During that time in 105 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: which he comes over, he being the pastor or the 106 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: leader as we know, find out his name is David 107 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: and if you know, you know warning. He comes over 108 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: to talk to her, talking about you know, letting, letting 109 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: the dead rest, and knowing that it's hard to lose 110 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: people we're together, all these things, and then she says, 111 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: can we at least bury him? And he's talking about 112 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 1: her father who had gotten killed, named Alec Man. He says, 113 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: everybody stops, we look around, and he looks over at 114 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: probably the secondhand man, who is played by Troy Baker, 115 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: And if you don't know who that is, we'll explain 116 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: in a minute. But it is important that we've we've 117 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: talked about him before and his name is James. And 118 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: they kind of give each other the face and David, 119 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: the leader comes around and he's like, you know, we 120 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: we've talked about this. We can't bury him because the 121 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: ground is too cold. It is a wintry, wintry, wintry mess, 122 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: ice and cold and snow. Everywhere. You feel it. You 123 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: feel in the colors, you feel it in their faces. 124 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: As they walk out after the meeting, David goes to 125 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: speak with James and there's like, oh, there seems to 126 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: be a lot of doubt there, and James is like, 127 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: people are just scared. He's like, no, I'm not talking 128 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: about them, and rut row not a good sign. Then 129 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: we hear him saying, you know, come on, we're gonna 130 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: go try to find dear, which people have said that 131 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: have been seen out around. We cut two. Ellie is 132 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: in the basement with Joel still who was still unconscious, 133 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: and she's freaking out trying to give him some water 134 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: because she's like, are you thirsty? And then she splits 135 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: us two bites of food I guess a jerky and 136 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: places one on his chest, hoping that he will eat. 137 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Then she takes his rifle decides to go hunt. She hunts, 138 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: and he actually gets a deer. There is a moment 139 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: that you think she's about to kill a rabbit, which 140 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: if you've played the game, you know you know beaty dubs. 141 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: She does not. We go on to see that she's 142 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: following the track into the bloody deer because she take 143 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: it a shot off. Then we come back to James 144 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: and David, who has discovered this dead deer looking around. 145 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: They're like, well, they're not here, so maybe we can 146 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: grab it, we can go quickly, which Ellie pounces and 147 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: she's like, step away from the deer, put down your rifle. 148 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: And David turns around. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 149 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: We don't want to rob you. What if we give 150 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: you a trade? Let me put down the rifle. Both 151 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: of them put down the rifle, and he's like, we 152 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: got a whole village of people we need to feed. 153 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: And she's like, so do why and then he's like, well, 154 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: how about you know, we do a trade. And she's like, 155 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: we've got food, we've got boots. And she's like do 156 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: you have medicine and he's like, well, yes, we do. 157 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: And so she's like, okay, well why don't your buddy 158 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: boy go and grab the stuff. If you stay with 159 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: me and if he brings it, we can split the deer. 160 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: Which I still can't understand how that was going to happen. 161 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: How is she even going to drag the deer? How 162 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: is she going to cook the deer? There are so 163 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: many questions, but I get it. But during this time, 164 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: and you know, James is like, oh am, I supposed 165 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: to kill her or what it was? And he's like, no, 166 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: it's not code. Go get penicillin, Go get syringes. Go now, 167 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: we'll stay here Ellie and hit them hang out for 168 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: a minute. Ellie empties the guns and he's like, why 169 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: don't we go into that shelter. I've got supplies to 170 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: make a fire, and we'll just hang out until James 171 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: comes back. Cool. Cool, Cool. They go and sit and 172 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: there's this a lot of philosophical conversation happening in this moment, 173 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: very important conversation in which she talks about you know, 174 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: it's all about luck or whatever. He's like, I don't 175 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: believe in luck. For instance, let me tell you this. 176 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: I sent a bunch of men to a village to 177 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: go see if they can find supplies, and turns out 178 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: they were murdered by this really crazy man. And get this, 179 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: this crazy man had a little girl with him shoot 180 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: to see. I don't this is what I mean. This 181 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: is fate. And then we see that James has got 182 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: a gun on her, and which David says stop. Given 183 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: the syringes, she can go. Essentially, he's like what you know, 184 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's like, I can help you. You're not 185 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: going to survive here out in the cold, alone, and 186 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: again she's like, you know, I'm not alone. It'll be fine. 187 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: He's like, we can help you, but whatever, whatnot. She 188 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: takes the medicine, runs away, comes to Joel, and then 189 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: she gives him a shot of venison into his wound, 190 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: which our friend Marissa, who is in the nursing field 191 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: who will you have heard from, had a lot of 192 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: critique on this, the way that she was putting the 193 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: medicine in, but she does it does well, keeps going. 194 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: This time, David and James returned to the village. They're like, look, 195 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: we got venison. But before they get there, all of 196 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: the towns people are eating some kind of yummy meat 197 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: and everybody kind of sis there and goes what are 198 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: we eating? And they're like venison And then they're like wait, 199 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: but the venison wasn't there, how m But David comes back, 200 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: trying to be joyous, like, look we got dear, we 201 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: got meat. And there they are all somber and quiet, 202 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: and he's like, if you've heard this rumor that, yes 203 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: we did find that man. We did. I did let 204 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: her go, but we will go back and track them down. 205 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: At that point, the same young teenage girl gets up 206 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: and says she should kill them. You should kill both 207 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: of them, at which point David comes over and violently 208 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: slaps her and says, you know, you act like you 209 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: don't have a dad. I'm your daddy, and that's not 210 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: in the internet way we were talking about. I don't know. 211 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: So as we was down, we realize, oh, he's not cool. 212 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: This is not cool. So he does take a group 213 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: of men and they go on their way to hunt 214 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: him down. While she's singing in with Joel. She goes 215 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: back out, trying to look around to see I guess 216 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: either maybe get the breath of fresh air or a situation, 217 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: and she hears oh, noise like oh, fluttering of birds. 218 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: Obviously something's disrupted the atmosphere. Goes and sees that the 219 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: men have come back, followed her to the house. So 220 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: she goes downstairs, gives Joel a knife and says, I'm 221 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: gonna try to lead them away, but if they do, 222 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: come down here and kill them. And so she does that. 223 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: She puts a bookshelf against the door, runs away, takes 224 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: the poor horse, shoots off at them, tries to distract them. 225 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: As she does, the horse gets shot. Very sad. I 226 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: hated that and she falls off falls unconscious, and David 227 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: and James and another man take her back to the 228 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: village while three others stay behind to hunt down Joel, 229 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: and which David says, if you want your vengeance, go 230 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: get it, so we'd go to They go away and 231 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Hu and we see that she is locked up. She 232 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: wakes up and she's like, what's going on? Why am 233 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: I in a cage? And then he goes through all 234 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: of these conversations about how, oh you know I can 235 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: he be here to help you. We're one and the same. 236 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: I have a violent way and so do you. I've 237 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: always known this and I see it in you. We 238 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: are much alike. We can do a lot together. And 239 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: then does that creepy thing where he touches her hand 240 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: and be implying things, not good things, in which at 241 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: that point he's like, what's your name and she's like, 242 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: I don't care, like trying to talk to him, and 243 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: then she breaks his finger and this ruckass happens and 244 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: she tries to grab the keys and he bangs her 245 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: head against the door and she falls back and he's like, 246 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: I try to help you, because at that point he 247 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: was bargaining everything from like you'll be helped, you won't 248 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: be alone. We'll let Joel go, will I'll tell the 249 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: men to stop hunting them. They listen to me. I'm 250 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: a leader, you're a leader. And at that point, because 251 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: he's bad, he goes, now, what do you what's going 252 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: to happen to you? Now? What's going to happen to him? 253 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: You know this is on you. Essentially, I'm gonna go 254 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: take care of things. So he runs out after calling 255 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: her media words which would be bleeped on here, so 256 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: I won't say it. Flash back to oh No, the 257 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: men are hunting Joel down and one of them discover 258 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: where he is is. But Joel woke up, realizes he 259 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: has to get into survival tactic, kills one man real hard, 260 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: and then tortures another man oh and knocks out both men, 261 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: essentially ties him up, put him in the same area, 262 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: talks to one man who's tied down, who wakes up 263 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: when he was unconscious to see Joel like covering over him, 264 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: saying where is she? Where did they take her? All 265 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: the tricks of the torture. He's like, if you don't 266 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: tell me, I'm gonna blow off your kneecaps. He just 267 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: goes like, man, man, you don't have to do this, 268 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: and then he stabs his knee and we hear him 269 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: scream and the buddy boy scream in the background, and 270 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: so he says, point to where she is on this 271 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: map and if your partner doesn't agree, y'are both dead, 272 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: in which the dude does he do do dude, I'll 273 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: tell her. I tell you here she is, and then 274 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: he kills him. Anyway, the other dude was like, man, 275 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Why did you do that? I'm 276 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: never gonna tell you. Now He's like, that's fine, I 277 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: believe him, and then he kills him too, and then 278 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: so he goes after Ellie. At this point in time, 279 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: James and David come back grab her out of the cellar. 280 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: Oh big key point. She had seen ears on the 281 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: floor and realizes they have been eating people and she 282 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: accuses them of being monsters and she would never she 283 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: asked him are you going to chop me up in 284 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: tiny pieces? Previously? And now he comes back and he's like, yeah, 285 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna chop you up in tiny pieces. So they 286 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: grab her put her on the butcher block, essentially ready 287 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: to go to town. She starts screaming, no, don't do this, 288 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: don't do this. I'm infected, and they both stopped and 289 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: they're like what, because he had at this point gotten 290 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: bitten by her and had a bloody, bloody nub of 291 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: a hand. She's getting just bloody hand, and she's like, 292 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: roll up my sleeve. Look you'll see, you'll see I'm infected, 293 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: and now so are you. So they pull up her 294 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: sleeve and James is freaking out and David's trying to 295 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: figure things out. He's like, there's no way, there's no 296 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: way you'd have turned by now. You'd turned by now. 297 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: And this gives her enough time to grab the axe 298 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: and hack James and the neck which he died, eyes 299 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: violently while she rolls off and runs away, and David 300 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: is shooting at her and chases her down into a 301 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: restaurant of that little area. She throws a burning branch 302 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: stick at him, which hits the curtain, sets the place 303 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: on fire slowly, and he's like, you know what, I 304 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: am gonna take you. It doesn't matter. You are going 305 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: to live. And so am I all of these things, 306 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: and I am good. I decided you do need a father, 307 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: and I will be your father. That feels very threatening, 308 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: and then he does a whisper I'm coming to get you. 309 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: Where are you? Ellie does all of that stuff, and 310 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: she's hiding in the background. She jumps on him. He's 311 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: able to take her down. At this point, we know 312 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: things are getting grows because he is implying that he's 313 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: about to rape her at that point, but she's able 314 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: to grab a knife jams it in his neck. He 315 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: flips off. She pounces on him and repeatedly stabs him. 316 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: Repeatedly stabs him in a very violent and malicious way, screaming, 317 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: and then she runs out the door, traumatized bloody. When 318 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: Joel comes around and grabs her, she's freaking out, thinking 319 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: to someone else until he captures her face and says 320 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: it's me, it's me as she stops to look, and 321 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: he hugs her and says I got you, baby girl, 322 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: as she's saying he was about too, and then they leave. Yeah, insane. 323 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: I like how you always ended with it. I feel 324 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: like it has to happen. Yeah, excellent as always, Thank you, Samantha. 325 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: I do want to a couple of like housekeeping at 326 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: the top. Number one is in the last episode, we 327 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: kind of made a very vague, weird dimension of the 328 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: rabbit scene. Yes, if you've been like turning over your head, 329 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: what could they have meant about that? So there's an 330 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: infamous scene in the game where Ellie there's like a 331 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: pretty rabbit. It like literally goes. It goes from like 332 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: you think Joel has died hard cut. You are now 333 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: Ellie and you're hunting, and then there's no other explanation. 334 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: You were playing as Ellie now, which I'm going to 335 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: talk about more in a second, and you see this 336 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: rabbit and it's so pretty, it's like snow is glistening 337 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: in the light. You're like, oh, rabbit, and then an 338 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: arrow comes from right through the neck, blood everywhere. And 339 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: the reason why it's kind of infamous is because a 340 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: lot of those like YouTube videos where a guy is 341 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: usually a guy is like, hey, girlfriend, come watch me 342 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: play this, or come play this. Look how cute, and 343 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: then they're shocked and horrified at what happens. And so 344 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: that's what we were talking about that and that's why 345 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think with the effects it 346 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: would have been worse the cost of what are taken by. 347 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: They had a nod at it, They had a little 348 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: like they had a nod and they did switch up 349 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: our weapons. So in the game she has a bow 350 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: and arrow, but they gave her a rifle for the show, 351 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: and I'm assuming they'll never have her using a bow 352 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: and arrow in especially in season one, because that's not 353 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: being introduced at all. Yes, and I think that is 354 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: because what I'm going to talk about more in a second, 355 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: but there because these are video games, I've seen a 356 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: lot of arguments about like why did they cut this? 357 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: Why did they cut this? There's a whole scene where 358 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: you're playing as Ellie where you have to work with 359 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: David when you first meet him, and there are clickers, 360 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: there are bloaters. You have to fight all of them. 361 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: And in the game that's meant to endear you to him, 362 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: like you have to work together. He does protect her, 363 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: he gives her weapons like you know you do you 364 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: have to work with him, And a part of that 365 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: is she only has the bow and arrow and he 366 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: gives her the rifle. It's not Joel's rifle because she 367 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: leaves that with him thinking something maybe he'll need it. 368 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: But it's also because you have a whole scene, as 369 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: I said in the last one, this is the scariest 370 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: section of the game in my opinion, because suddenly you're 371 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: playing as Ellie. Ellie is much smaller, She has like 372 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: no weaponry other than a couple of things, and is like, 373 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: whereas Joel can take a lot of good hits, she can't, 374 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: but she's stealthier, Like, she has things that she's better 375 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: at than Joel, and like I said, one of them 376 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: is she can kill it clicker and one hit. Joel 377 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: can't do that generally. But the bow and arrow is 378 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: like the compromise because they can't hear you use the 379 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: bow and arrow, So if you're really good at it, 380 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: it's like my favorite weapon. Then you can take out 381 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people and they'll never hear it, so 382 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: you're still kind of being stealthy but taking people out. 383 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think they'll introduce it at all 384 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: in this season. Oh gosh, I have so much to 385 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: say about this one, but I do want to start 386 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: with Also, yes, Roy Baker, who's on the podcast is 387 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: the voice actor of Joel and also a lot of 388 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: other Like if you've played any video game in this Realm, 389 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: you've probably heard him. He does do a lot of 390 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: these kind of gruff fatherly figures. It turns out I'm 391 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: telling you about that TikTok. People have been sending me 392 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: about people cosplaying his quote Troy Baker's daughter, because in 393 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: so many video games he plays that role. He was 394 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: James who is the Creeper number two, and you can 395 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: watch the you know, behind the show afterwards where he 396 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: talks about like how amazing this was or rewarding it 397 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: was for him. He never thought he'd do this. He 398 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: thought maybe he'd be a clicker at most. It was 399 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: cool too, It's like we talked about Samantha. It's cool 400 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: to see that they're including the voice actors in it, 401 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: at least some of them. And it was kind of 402 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: a bit. It kind of messed with my mind about 403 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: because in the game he's Joel, yeah, and he's protecting 404 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: Ellie and he looks like Joel. And then we all 405 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: had a bet about who was gonna end up killing 406 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: James and so many people. I was like, it's gonna 407 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: be Joel and Joel, but it was Elian Joel, which 408 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: was almost the worst. I know. I was like sitting 409 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: and then he's the one that shoots the horse um 410 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: and puts her in this like really dangerous situation. So 411 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: that was a really interesting right and he also knew 412 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: about the cannibalism. Oh, I've forgot that part where Joel 413 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: sees the dead bodies without their kids hanging upside down, 414 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: real creepy. Yeah, they're like hang like curing like meat 415 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: in their plastic grass. And oh they're the dead, including 416 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: the father. Yeah they did not bury. Yes, And so 417 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: David is sitting in front of this poor girl who 418 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: he just slept as she's eating, and she is eating 419 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: her father, who she's so worried about it wants to 420 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: burry and she doesn't though, and it's like one of 421 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: the most disturbing thing disturbing and bat doves. We did 422 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: not mean to, but we do have food during our 423 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: before us, and we ended up having like a meat stew. 424 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: And I did not think about it until my partner's 425 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: sister because she knows we have these them things and 426 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: typically it's not just themed on the last of us. 427 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: It could be like something's happening that week, but we're 428 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: just gonna make it this thing. And we she asked, 429 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: did you have beef stew? And we were like, oh 430 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: my god, we did. And I did not even think 431 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: about it until the I thought about it, but then 432 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not going to mention it because 433 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to feel like nauseous. It's nauseating, 434 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: but I thank you for that. It wasn't. After thought, 435 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, shoot, we did well. They don't 436 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: really show that in the gate, like you know what's happening, 437 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: but you don't have like such a visceral graphic scene 438 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: of everybody eating it and not knowing. Yeah. But also 439 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: our lovely friend that aforementioned, Marissa, she made this wonderful meal, 440 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: but I did not know there was going to be 441 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: a beef stew. I wouldn't have told her no, but 442 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: I didn't know that was going to be part of it. Yeah, 443 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: it was so delicious. Let us left and I'm eating 444 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: as still as one of my favorite things. We were 445 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: telling how it feels like just a homie huge the 446 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: slop does. But then you think about in that context, 447 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, never mind. Yeah, well, there's something about 448 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: all of them because they're so hungry and there's like 449 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: the clanking of the spoons against the only if you 450 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: have to know this is human and it's a friend 451 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: Alec that they're all crying about that this morning. Oh 452 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: my gosh. Anyway, moving, okay, anyway, Yes, so I did 453 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: want to go back to the point of playing Allie 454 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: during the game. So, as I said in the previous episodes, 455 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: the first game is divided by seasons, and they get 456 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: progressively shorter hints. Why there's only one episode left, and 457 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: you do play as Allie during the winter section, and 458 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: I think it is a scary section. As I've said, 459 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: you don't know that Joel has survived the first hint. 460 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: You get that he has survived when she's like medicine, medicine, 461 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: and then like, oh, maybe he's still He's still there. 462 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: But um, if you've listened or watched the behind the shows, 463 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: if you've read some of the articles about this game, 464 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: this whole section is what inspired the game. What Neil Druckman, 465 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: the creator, inspired him to do. It was because he 466 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: writes about this game he played where where in it's 467 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: a very traditional game where you're playing the kind of 468 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: like a gotta rescue the princess and the castle situation 469 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: as a male protagonist, and then it turns out not 470 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: only does she not need rescuing, she rescues you. So 471 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: it really flips and then you're playing as her. So 472 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: this was what he really wanted to explore. And it 473 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: kind of like I was thinking about this last night 474 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: when I was trying to get over the nightmare I 475 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: had about a spider long story. But whatever, it's unfortunate, 476 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: but I don't know too many games who have done that. 477 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: Like a lot of times you do just play, you know, 478 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: your your traditional hero character and he saves your younger 479 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: innocent character, usually a woman or a girl. And where 480 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: to talk about that more in the finale episode and 481 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: we have talked about it in our episode on Survival 482 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: Gaming because that's still there in this as well. But 483 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: it was like a new thing, like suddenly you are 484 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: playing as Ellie, this young girl, and it's like totally 485 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: up to her to save Joel, and in fact it's 486 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: interspersed with Joel waking up. He does do this torture scene. 487 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: Like I said in the last one. I know this 488 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: sounds strange, but it's a really cool game mechanic because 489 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: he's still sick, so he can't like aim as well. 490 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: He'll fall over like he's not doing well, but you 491 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: still think he's going to save her, and then he 492 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: doesn't it's just like the timing of it, but it's 493 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: the way it's cut. You still think, oh, okay, but 494 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: that's not what happens. And that's what they said in 495 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: the behind the show things that that was like the 496 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: opposite of what they wanted was for him to come 497 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: in and save her, but that you're still expecting it 498 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: because that's the story we see all of the time, 499 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: and even you know, to an extent, you want it 500 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: to happen, like you don't want Ellie to have to 501 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: deal with this, this horrific thing. And one of the 502 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: things I love about this game, which I'm going to 503 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: have a lot more to say about this in the 504 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: final episode, but one of the things I do love 505 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: about it is this event does not leave Ellie. She 506 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: is traumatized after this, like she it changes the way 507 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: she interacts with you and with the world. She is 508 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: notably despondent and like just gets distracted, kind of doesn't listen, 509 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: Like I really like that they didn't just put under 510 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: the rug, like, oh, she she went through this horrible 511 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: thing and it killed this guy. No, it stays with 512 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: her for a long time in the game, and there 513 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: are kind of big cuts in the game which has 514 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: been I think the source of some people's like wait 515 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: a minute, because it just it'll just cut the spring 516 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: or I'll just get to winter or whatever, and you 517 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: miss kind of a section of them traveling. But and 518 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: that's also like it's unclear how long Joel has been 519 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: very sick in the game, but it's it's not like days, 520 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: it's longer than that. And she the whole like DLC 521 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: left behind, she had all already kind of exhausted these 522 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: efforts of healing him. So it's not like a couple 523 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: of days. But you know, it's not clear either. All right, 524 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: But we got to talk about this cannibal group. Okay, 525 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: so they really leaned into the religious aspect, which I'm 526 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: going to come back to in this. In the game, 527 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: there is that, but it's like not nearly as prevalent, 528 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: but it is another example, as we've talked about throughout 529 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: this of like humans are the worst, Like you've got 530 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: your infected, but what's the real horror here is humans? 531 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: And so the big gosh, the big thing with David 532 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: he is so creepy, oh my gosh, because you do 533 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: work with him, he identifies with those zombies. He does. 534 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: He has a whole speech where he's like, they are fruitful, 535 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: they multiplied, they provide, and they protect using violence when necessary. 536 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: He does have this strange They kind of played it up, 537 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: especially between him and James. People were starting to doubt 538 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: him because there was no food, they were being deprived 539 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: of food. They were starting to doubt his leadership, and 540 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: he was getting more and more angry at his own 541 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: group and especially around Ellie. Ellie was kind of like 542 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: this blowing up of like, no, I think we need her, 543 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: and they were like, what are you talking about. We 544 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: can't even provide for the people that we have. But 545 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: that whole like his big line is everything exists for 546 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: a reason. And when I tell you that gives me chills. 547 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: I was so annoying when we were watching. I was like, 548 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: here it, Cobbs, he's gonna say it because in the game, 549 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: that's when you're like, oh, no, they know that we 550 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: killed those people. Yeah yeah. But him kind of like 551 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: he says he turned to religion after the apocalypse and 552 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: in part because the Cordios ups. He almost makes it 553 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: sound like that's his God is not God, but like 554 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: Cordio shops showed him the way you see all these 555 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: like signs he shall provide hanging around and I think, 556 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, his constant discussion around fatherhood and oh you 557 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: need a father, I'm your father. In his head, he's 558 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: taking up this role and it's like a real power 559 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: trip for him, absolutely, And he has so many like 560 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: petty lines that we can you know, we're not talking 561 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: about cannibals, and but we can connect to of like, oh, 562 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: you know how it hurts to be embarrassed, elliot, Like 563 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: you've really humiliated me, Like all of these kind of 564 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: like petty Oh, you're a guy who's not used to 565 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: being rejected or in a kind of like somebody questioning 566 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: your authority. And then he has also like this whole 567 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: thing where he's like, I'm only the leader because they 568 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: want me to be the leader. They need a god, 569 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: they need a father, they need heaven. They're just basically sheep. 570 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: Well he says sheep, but you know, and he's like, 571 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: I want to an equal. But he's just very condescending 572 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: of the people that he's supposedly supposed to look after, 573 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: which I do think it's a lot of commentary on religion. 574 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: There's also a lot of commentary of daughters with missing fathers. 575 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: And this was interesting in the behind the show thing 576 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: where they were talking about like, oh, he you think 577 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: he's going to be like a good person and a 578 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: good father and he turns up like the worst, which 579 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I don't think I ever 580 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: put it in my mind like that, but I suppose 581 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be some kind of Oh. I think 582 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: he is meant to look like he could be a 583 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: good guy, but he's so creepy. Oh anyway, I feel 584 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: like he's a lot creepier in the game from John, 585 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: but immediately in the game, whereas in the show he's 586 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: like not as creepy and then oh god, worse. Yeah, 587 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: So this is speaking of. This has caused a lot 588 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: of conversation because some people are like, David was never 589 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: pedophilic in the game, and I told you the voice 590 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: actor who played him always intended for him to be 591 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: read that way, and it certainly can be read that way. 592 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: I think it was more overt in the show, but 593 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: it's not like it's there if they're in the game 594 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: as well, Like he does the whole like holding of 595 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: the hand scene, he does the whole like basically become 596 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: my wife thing with Ellie in the game as well. 597 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: I think, what really like watching it again, it really 598 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: like struck me as I hate. He has this line 599 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: where he was a teacher and he taught kids about 600 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: your age, so upsetting. But he also has a lot 601 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: of lines like I'm a decent man. You don't know 602 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: how good I am. You do need a father, Like 603 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: you said, I can protect you. It's mercy to protect her, 604 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: Like he's very much painting himself, like you need me 605 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: to protect you. But if you do anything wrong, anything 606 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: that is not like in my favor, what I think 607 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: you should do, then I'm going to do like the 608 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: very worst things, calling you the very worst things like 609 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: And there's definitely like again commentary, I think about the 610 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: whole like preacher father thing happening here. But he, I mean, 611 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: he's terrified. Like this scene where you're in the restaurant 612 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: in the game is one of the scariest things I've 613 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: ever played, because you it's burning down. He can hear 614 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: you stepping on glass. He's so much bigger than you. 615 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: He's got like this huge cleaver and you have to 616 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: sneak up on him and he's saying like these horrible things. 617 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: It's it's just like a really upsetting, upsetting scene. Well, 618 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: you're saying all this and we are all like, yeah, 619 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: this is her favorite gameal I know, we haven't really 620 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: fun idea to maybe compare us playing our favorite games, 621 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: which I think would be great. Well, so all of 622 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: this is juxtaphosed with yes, Jules waking up. He's realizing like, 623 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 1: oh no, Ellie is in trouble, and so he uses 624 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,959 Speaker 1: the old map trick which we talked about in episode six. 625 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: He does that a couple of times where he has 626 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: somebody point to a spot on the map and then 627 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: the other person has to confirm it to make sure 628 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: that they're not lying. This like really horrendous torture scene, 629 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: and then him you know, struggling through to find her 630 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: and seeing those dead bodies, seeing her backpack away. And 631 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that the previous episode no. 632 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: Episode six set up his anxiety and so much worry 633 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: of failure, whereas they didn't do that in the game, 634 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: Like he was definitely desperate and you could tell by 635 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: like how he tortured these men and killed them that 636 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: he was definitely desperate, but it didn't set up kind 637 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: of that like which I felt you could feel in 638 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: his performance of the oh God, I'm failing again and 639 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: here it is. But as all this is happening, we 640 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: see Ellie. Yeah, she gets he threatened. David threatens her 641 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: with sexual assaults. She gets the clever and just like 642 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: completely is screaming stabbing him over and over and over again, 643 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: which does happen in the game. And I saw the 644 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: next day a lot of people were like, this is 645 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: she should get an Emmy for this, this performance, and 646 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: it was very you know, I think the first time 647 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: I watched it, I was like, oh, so caught up 648 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: in but I have cried at other other watches because 649 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: it's so upsetting, Like it's so like seeing her so 650 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: visceral about it. It's so hurt. And he did have 651 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: that David did to have that conversation with her where 652 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: he's like, you've got a violent heart. I have one too. 653 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: I see you in me like I see me and 654 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: you and all of this really upsetting stuff that you 655 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: can tell is like getting in her head. And does 656 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: he say there's no fear in love, which is such 657 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: an upsetting, upsetting line. Um, but this was like, you know, 658 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: again Ellie didn't need saving. They did say in the 659 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: after the show thing like you know she it was 660 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: like an emotional saving but not like this, and I 661 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: do love she uses that infected trick. It's so smart 662 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: like that she was. It was a very show of 663 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: intelligence during a very horrific time when they're about to 664 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: chop her up into pieces and eat her. I love 665 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: the guy and Ellie Elliot is the girl who broke 666 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: your finger. That's one of my favorite lines, the little 667 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: girl who broke your finger, because he was so embarrassed, 668 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: like what am I going to tell the others? What 669 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: will I say? And she's like, oh, tell him? But 670 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: then you know, you have the line from the showrunner, 671 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: Craig Meisen, who was like, you know, as much as 672 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: we love her, we have to be a little scared 673 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: of her. And that is something I've said a million times. 674 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: Ellie is so she's got a lot of like curiosity 675 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: and innocence, and she's a child, and I think it's 676 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: important people remember she's a child, because I think they forget. 677 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 1: And I'll have more to say about that as well. 678 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: But she's terrifying, like I wouldn't mess with her. She 679 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: will kill you. She will kill you. And then yeah, 680 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: you do see kind of this is another example of trauma. 681 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: What does it take to survive in this world? And it, 682 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: as they said in that like aftershow thing, it scars 683 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: her in a way that forever changes her. It's kind 684 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: of like Riley when Riley died. This is the thing 685 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: that stay with her and this whole idea that they 686 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: are very very much hammering home of like Ellie having 687 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: this violent heart of being turning to violence or that's 688 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: the only way she can survive, or or things like that. 689 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 1: And again, just like Joel and the big thing that 690 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: happens here's you know, finally Joel calls her baby girl, 691 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: which is something that he called his daughter. He hasn't 692 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 1: used it for twenty years. This is the first time, 693 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: and that's just like the turning point of all He's 694 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: finally okay, this is like a daughter figure to me. 695 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: She clings to him. It's like I need some kind 696 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: of comfort. It's a very it's one of my favorite 697 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: scenes in the game. It's very upsetting, but it's very 698 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: well done. And you know, after again that kind of 699 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: whole talk about what I can't fail and seeing this 700 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: that's definitely definitely setting somethings up. I also want to 701 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: just call out the sets. This was really on point 702 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,439 Speaker 1: with the game. It was very beautiful, slash terrifying, kind 703 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: of wintry landscape was really good. But yeah, that's it's 704 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: so funny because it's like only sixty minutes, but they 705 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: packed so much into the sixty minutes. It was full 706 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: of actions, very quick, it was. It was and so 707 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: many like there was a lot of like exclamations of disgust. 708 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. It cost a lot of conversation. 709 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: I do have a couple of random things. One is, 710 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: did she lose her pun book in the game. She 711 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: doesn't lose her pun book, but he did not pick 712 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: up her backpack, so I don't know about that. I'm 713 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: sure they grabbed it. I hope so. And also, Samantha 714 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 1: and I took a BuzzFeed quiz, very legitimate, yes, BuzzFeed 715 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: quiz about what character we would be, and I got 716 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: frank oh and I was Tess, Okay, I'll excellent. Actually, 717 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: everyone I've talked to about this has gotten a different character. 718 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 1: That's interesting. Mum. I didn't mention in the previous episode 719 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: how important that Aha song is take on me to 720 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: the series, but just to mention that in there. Here's 721 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: my up next. If you don't want anything, I'm not 722 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: gonna spoil anything, but if you don't want anything, you 723 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: can you can click off and return. Next time, there 724 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: will be a certain animal appearance per hips. Maybe Ashley Johnson, 725 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: who I realized in the like previous episode, I just 726 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: said her name and didn't say anything else about her. 727 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: She's the voice actor of Ellie. Just know Ashley Johnson, 728 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: and she's somewhat infamous. She is a child actor that's 729 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: been around for a very very long time. She was 730 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: in very quickly for the original Avengers as a waitress. 731 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: But she is a very distinctive voice. Yes so, and 732 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: it's never like she's had it since childhood. Like there's 733 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: a very distinct way that you when you watch these 734 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 1: family sitcoms, you know you've heard this voice. Yes, yes, 735 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: and if you know after this ends and you're looking 736 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: for more kinds sometime or mentioned it before. But you 737 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: can see a lot of like them filming, and she 738 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: does the filming the games and she does the like 739 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 1: acting and body movements and everything. But it's really cool 740 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,919 Speaker 1: to see her do it. And she's great. She's great. 741 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: Um yeah, apparently she's a huge d and yes, I know, 742 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: yes I do. Also, look, this is my vague hand. 743 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: I promise that they are setting some things up. Okay, 744 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: like they are really setting but yeah, it's the end 745 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: of the next episode. Is that's it? I know I 746 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: would cry. I know we will have another clip of that. 747 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: That's what you're into. No, it's gonna be oh my gosh, 748 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. But we hope that you have 749 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: been enjoying these You've watched the show, played the game, 750 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 1: none of the above, because we have. I have, definitely. 751 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: I hope we have loved doing that. Yes we have, 752 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: and I'll miss them. I'll miss them greatly. Um. But yes, 753 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: we will be back next week with our final litution. 754 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: In the meantime, if you would like to contact us, 755 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: you can Our email is stephaniea mom Stuff at iHeartMedia 756 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on Twitter at mom 757 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 1: Stuff Podcast, or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff Mom 758 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: Never Told You. 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