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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast where my

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Speaker 2: headphones were not plugged in when I started talking, and

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Speaker 2: now they are. We we have a we have a keen,

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Speaker 2: eagle like grip on on on the professional competence required

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Speaker 2: to do our jobs. Uh, Sophie and I uh, and are.

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Speaker 3: Much funnier when the headphones that are not plugged in

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Speaker 3: aren't like small I bought it, like you knows, but

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Speaker 3: like the big black ones. That is so much funnier.

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Speaker 3: I had.

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Speaker 2: I had a lot of opportunities to get this right. Sophia, Alexandra,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the pod. Sophia, how how have you been?

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Speaker 2: How's it going? How's the world bad?

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Speaker 4: The most terrible?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Yeah, thanks for having me on the pod.

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Speaker 4: I am good.

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Speaker 3: It's been a minute. It's so nice to see y'all's faces.

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Speaker 3: I've missed you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I missed you too. And you know, obviously, Sophia,

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Speaker 2: as you're aware, as I think most people are aware.

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Speaker 2: As a podcast host, I maintain medical power of attorney

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Speaker 2: over each of our guests. Now, this is probably standard

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Speaker 2: standard in the industry. My understanding is it's a holdover

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Speaker 2: from English common law established in the sixteen hundreds by

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Speaker 2: the very first podcasters. So the other day you called

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Speaker 2: me up and you said, Robert, should I dose myself

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Speaker 2: with moderate quantities of radiation to gain unclear unspecified health benefits?

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Speaker 4: And I sure did?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, let me look into that, Sophia,

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Speaker 2: let me look into that. So I did. I did

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Speaker 2: a quick google. Is it bad to radiate yourself for health?

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Speaker 2: And it turns out yes, that's what we're talking about

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Speaker 2: this week, is the radium.

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Speaker 3: Christ You wrote that entire scripted, that whole bit.

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Speaker 2: I scripted the whole bit, Sophia.

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Speaker 4: Scripted that entire thing is so you of you. That's

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Speaker 4: so funny.

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Speaker 3: It makes me think of like you doing stand up

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Speaker 3: writing out all of the parts where you're.

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Speaker 2: Like, come right, you guys, Yeah, your little life plug

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Speaker 2: throws to the audience. Sure, No, I mean what this

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Speaker 2: is is I have a little This is a free

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Speaker 2: productivity hack for you writers out there. If you have

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Speaker 2: a whole thing you have to write, like, say, eight

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Speaker 2: thousand words about radium grifters, and you're being you're being

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Speaker 2: a procrastinator. Maybe just spend a paragraph or two writing

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Speaker 2: out some bullshit jokes to your friends. You know, and

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Speaker 2: then just keep it in the script. Why not. Nobody

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Speaker 2: has to read these button me, so you know, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be tight.

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Speaker 1: Well that was cool, But I'm just excited that Sophia

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Speaker 1: is here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited that Sophia is here, and she's got to.

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Speaker 1: Be a new Patreon.

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Speaker 4: Let's start there.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, let's begin with the plugs.

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Speaker 2: That's the right way to do this.

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Speaker 4: Oh shit, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Come to patreon dot com slash Sophia Alexandra. There's writing

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Speaker 3: on there, there's videos. There is just random shit I'm into,

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Speaker 3: like galer and and relationship anarchy and making clay pots

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Speaker 3: and John Lee Hooker. I don't know, I'm a weird bitch.

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Speaker 4: Come through.

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Speaker 2: Well check that out, and you know, check out check

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Speaker 2: out Sofia. Alexandra's many other podcasts that she's done with

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Speaker 2: us too, some of our our very best. And this

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Speaker 2: is about to be this one, Sophia going to be

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Speaker 2: a classic because we're getting back to our roots here.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've been covering some dark shit a lot

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Speaker 2: on this show, and you know, we've really gone hard.

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Speaker 4: Really comes as a surprise to me.

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Speaker 3: This is the old one that is guested on more

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Speaker 3: Dead Baby episodes than anyone.

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Speaker 4: No Dead Baby crazy that this is gonna be a

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Speaker 2: A lot of dead people, but not dead babies.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for me.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's a fun mostly up until the second episode,

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Speaker 2: mostly funny ways that people are horribly injuring themselves because

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Speaker 2: it's good. It's good old timey medical nonsense. Right, it's

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Speaker 2: people just poisoning their bodies with urine because they think

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Speaker 4: Is a soil podcast, Daddy, I am ready.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's going to be a good time. So

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Speaker 2: the history of people using radiation as like a pop

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Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety five, when a German physicist named Wilhelm

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Speaker 2: Rotingen discovered X rays for the first time. He published

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Speaker 2: an article on a new kind of rays fifty days later,

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Speaker 2: which is what we're all looking for in life, right.

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Speaker 2: I'm usually referring to ray bands there, but Ray.

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Speaker 4: Talking about guys named Ray.

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Speaker 2: Usually when guys named Ray, I've had good relations with

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Speaker 4: You know, I only fuck men named ray. It's terrible.

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Speaker 2: That's like like that that diet where you only red

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm either celibate or I get hit a lot.

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Speaker 4: That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, my notes on this were a little messy.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to add that while it was Rojin

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Speaker 2: I believe Marie Curriy who named radioactivity, but Henri was

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Speaker 2: after the discovery of X rays. So, in eighteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 2: radiation as a thing. Radium was soon found to have

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Speaker 2: properties that were like similar to X rays. Right, you

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Speaker 2: And obviously X rays I mean even today, like reading

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Speaker 2: comparison note is in popular culture, radiation was treated in

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Speaker 2: this period very similar to how people are treating AI now,

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Speaker 2: just got to radiate everything hunger, Yeah, yeah, and that's

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Speaker 2: the attitude they're like, yeah we can in world hunger,

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Speaker 2: That is that is like how this where this is

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Speaker 4: The first X ray crystals like like like the rocks,

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Speaker 2: I think he was like, crystals are cool, X rays

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Speaker 2: are cool. Let's see we can see what happens.

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Speaker 4: It's a real PB and J situation.

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Speaker 2: They had X ray machines in Japan for like a

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Speaker 3: Kind of awesome and what I would do so.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I'm not a doctor.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Marie Currie herself suffered pretty significant radiation burns a number

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What I'm saying is that, like, well before the

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Speaker 4: My god, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they used So there's you know, people put

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Speaker 2: But there's also UV lights that are meant to like

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Speaker 2: this party and it gave people like sunburns on their eyes.

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Speaker 3: That we woke up Burning is the first country song

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Speaker 3: that I had to put out on my Patreon.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's hard. Syphilis, Like, honestly, syphilis goes hard.

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Speaker 4: Long term, that shit goes.

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Speaker 2: Hard, making you crazy, and possibly contributing to the birth

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So one thing that's interesting to me is, right

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Speaker 3: No one's out here like writing sonnets being like my

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Speaker 2: And they're dog shit, Yeah, you're not wrong. So newspapers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but people are just like, oh, asi is a

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Speaker 4: No one trust anything, and we're just selling slowly dying.

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Speaker 4: Whatever you found no cushions of the couch. Now we care.

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Speaker 2: About aspect whatever. Eric, I watched you pick up a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you lit the filter, dog, Yeah, yeah, you just.

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Speaker 2: I think probably for as long as there's been civilization,

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Speaker 2: And they didn't really know why. And so they start

437
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 2: at the same time as they're discovering, you know, that

438
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: radiation is the thing, how it works, They're start being

439
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 2: scientists who are trying to figure out, like, what is

440
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,239
Speaker 2: it about hot springs that have healing properties? And I'm

441
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: gonna I want to read from a write up on

442
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: radium patent medications in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

443
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 2: Here this is talking about researcher studying hot springs. They

444
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: noted throughout history, hot springs like those at Brombach in Germany,

445
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: Iseshia in Italy, and Saldebane in France had been touted

446
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: as panaceas for a variety of ailments, including rheumatism, cretonism, impotence,

447
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 2: and melancholy. These salutary effects were achieved only when the

448
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: waters were drunk or their vapors deeply inhaled. Bottled water

449
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: from these springs rapidly lost its potency. The great German

450
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: chemists Eustus von Leibig attempted to analyze the waters from

451
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: Gostein Springs, eventually ascribing their power to a dissolved gas

452
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: with mysterious electrical effects. In nineteen oh three, the discovery

453
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: was made that the apparent pharmacological agent in these waters

454
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: was rayd on radium emanation, an alpha particle emitting gas

455
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: with a half life of less than four days that

456
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: was produced by decaying radium. Alpha particle emitting isotopes taken

457
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 2: internally and minute quantities were hailed as powerful natural elixirs

458
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,479
Speaker 2: capable of delivering direct energy transfusions to depleted organs. So

459
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: I have a basement, right, This is not the case

460
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: everywhere that their abasements. I really didn't think.

461
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 3: Your transition from that quote was going to be so

462
00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 3: I have a basement.

463
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: It's relevant because in the Northwest at least, and I've

464
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: only ever had a basement here in Texas. We don't

465
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: have basements because of the ground's weird. But I had

466
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: to get I was told like, basically, hey, your basement

467
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: has not had radon mitigation, so it will fill up

468
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: with a radioactive gas and you will get horrible lung

469
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: cancer if you spend a lot of time in your

470
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: basement unless you install what's called a radon mitigation system,

471
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: which basically is a pump that pumps the air regularly

472
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: up out so it can rise into the sky. But

473
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: it's just that, like, because of decaying radium in the earth,

474
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: the dirt is filled with radon, right, that gets in things.

475
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: So if you have a basement, it will fill with radon.

476
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: And these hot springs because they're being fed from like underwater,

477
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: you know, rivers or pumps or whatever fill like also

478
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 2: have radon in them. Now, the radon is not causing

479
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: the health benefits, right, that's just because it's nice to

480
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: be in hot water. It's good, it's relaxing, it's good

481
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: if you're muscles and joints. But they're starting to realize

482
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: there are health benefits to radiation, and they realize that

483
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: a lot of hot springs have natural rate on gas,

484
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 2: and they're like, the radon is what makes springs good

485
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: for you. So clearly if we just dose people with radon,

486
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: it will make them healthier, right, is.

487
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 4: The danger correlation? Yeah, being you know, causation, it's not.

488
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also there, but that's not yeah yeah, And

489
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: that's what like they decide is like, oh, it must

490
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: be the radon that makes the hot springs good for you.

491
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: Everyone should start taking as much rate on as they

492
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: fucking could. So this is this is going to take

493
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: off very quickly in the early nineteen hundreds, and initially

494
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: it is not like radiation putting. Radiation in food and

495
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: medicine is not regulated, especially in the United States. Now

496
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: we had it, we had at this point in nineteen

497
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: oh six, we passed the Pure Food and Drug Act. Right,

498
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: We've done episodes on this. It was part a large

499
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: part of it was in reaction to like the fact

500
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: that milk kept killing entire city's worth of babies when

501
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: it would be full of worms or whatever raid on.

502
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: Though radium was not regulated under the Pure Food and

503
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: Drug Act because it's a natural element, which is still

504
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: this is still a problem with like supplements today where

505
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: they're like, you can make a lot of bullshit claims

506
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: and like sell people. Alex Jones says, all these sells,

507
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: all these nonsense supplements, and it's like, well, it's it's

508
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: a natural element. It's not a drug, so you can

509
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: you can basically do whatever as long as you avoid

510
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: a couple of easy pitfalls. This is how they're what's

511
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: this is how radium gets introduced to the American diet.

512
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: Is they're like, well, the FDA says it's it's it's natural,

513
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: so you can put as much of it as you

514
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: want in your milk.

515
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: That's so wild. I didn't know about that natural pole

516
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: or whatever. The fuck. Yeah, it's like, well there's a

517
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: lot of poison found naturally too. Yeah, are we just

518
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 3: like chill with arsenic being just slowly?

519
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: Just come into this story, Sophia, because we were for

520
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: a while. Yeah, shut the fuck up. So all of

521
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: these fraud treatments starts out into pages of newspaper and

522
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: magazine ads with bold claims like remarkable new radium cream

523
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: liniment drives out pain for making joints and muscles instantly. Right,

524
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: They're like, it's the radium in the hot spring. So

525
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: let's get rid of those healthy like hot waters and

526
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 2: just put pure radium on people's bones.

527
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, petition to make that voice your permanent voice.

528
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: Oh you're gonna be hearing a lot of that voice today, Sophia,

529
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: don't worry.

530
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: I am delighted.

531
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the reveal that so many healing springs gave

532
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: off raid on again, it doesn't mean that that's why,

533
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: like the good things like we don't spend time in

534
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: our basements as place as of healing just because they're

535
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: full of raid on. But dumb time, dumbass, old tiny people.

536
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: You know they're not as smart as you. And I

537
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: is right, you know we we smarter than this. We

538
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: would never do any We would never, for example, take

539
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: a cattle deworming medication because we believe it's going to

540
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: cure all of our sicknesses.

541
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and because a very tiny man they used to

542
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: host a show where they ORMs stills to do it.

543
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: Like and definitely abs one hundred percent. If if it

544
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: was like if podcasts had existed in nineteen oh six,

545
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: and so had Joe Rogan, he would have been he

546
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: would have been telling people to microdose radium. He would

547
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: have been, like, you're a dumbass. If you're not microdosing

548
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: straight radiation, you get it some rads every day.

549
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: He would have been glowing.

550
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would be yeah, nothing but elk meat and

551
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: fucking radium. So the name of the new therapy that

552
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: a lot of health grifters start pushing based on these

553
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: ideas is called mild radium therapy as opposed to like

554
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: what we're actually doing when we're treating cancer, which is

555
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: a much heavier dose right of this kind of stuff.

556
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: So mild radium therapy is basically we're microdosing this shit,

557
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 2: you know. Mild radiation therapy advocates weren't sure why this

558
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: stuff worked right. There were significant debates. Some suggested radium

559
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: compounds stimulated organs directly. Others believed the radiation acted as

560
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: superpowered bleach killing microscopic toxins that caused cancerous tumors. There

561
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: were theories that radium stimulated your adrenal glands or perhaps

562
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: the thyroid. What seemed clear beyond doubt was that the

563
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: healing properties of radium came from alpha particles emitted by

564
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: a radium nucleus. Now obviously Sophia Sophie all three of

565
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: us are trained nuclear physicists. We don't talk about it

566
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: much on the show, but you know, privately, all we

567
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: talk about is like thorium plants and shit. We're very

568
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: knowledgeable about this, but because our audience or a bunch

569
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: of dumb dums, I'm going to read a quote from

570
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: the AMA's journal explaining how this shit works rather than

571
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: try to do it myself. Alpha particles are large, relatively

572
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: slow moving chunks of nuclear matter consisting of two protons

573
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: and two neutrons. They possess tremendous energy and produce a

574
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: dense cloud of ionization events when traversing matter. Because they

575
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: dissipate their energy so rapidly, they can only penetrate forty

576
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: two one hundred um, limiting the range over which they

577
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: can exert their effects to a distance of about ten

578
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: cell diameters. Such a lack of penetration prevented their use

579
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: in cancer therapy, and the early radioactive source is produced

580
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: for curey therapy all contained filters designed to stop alpha

581
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: particle transmission. Though high doses of alpha radiation produced an

582
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: intense blistering response on the skin, alpha particles were considered

583
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: just too difficult to harness in the service of cancer treatment,

584
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: and we're largely ignored by oncologists. So, like, the basically

585
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: what this is saying is like the method of action

586
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: that like is being used in this mild therapy is

587
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: the stuff that once they oncology just started fucking around

588
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: with radiation, they realize this stuff is too hard to control,

589
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: so we're not going to use it for most things.

590
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: And then it becomes the province of medical grifters who

591
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: are like, we're going to use this for fucking everything. Now,

592
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: I mean I.

593
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 4: Heard that, but really all I heard was not enough penetration.

594
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: Not enough penetration. That's that's right, that's right. This is

595
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: this is mild radiation therapy is basically getting deep dicked

596
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: by straight up radiation. Like that is what's going on

597
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: here now. To be fair to our old timey idiots,

598
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: by you know, early kind of the outbreak of World

599
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: War One that period, there are some studies that seem

600
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: to show real medical benefits to light radiation therapy. Now

601
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: these are all very flawed studies, but they led to

602
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 2: this belief that people could back up with what seemed

603
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: like good evidence that radium might treat rheumatism. Gout, syphilis, anemia, epilepsy,

604
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: multiple sclerosis, and white right. Yeah, ed well, yes, by

605
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: far the most common kind of radiation medication I've come

606
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: across our variations of dick bills. So yeah, we'll be

607
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: talking a lot about that.

608
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: That's what the original jerkoff machines were for.

609
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just like people think it's like there's that

610
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: whole whole thing that they think, like gynecologists used to

611
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: like jerk their patients off, which is like not a thing.

612
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: It was a thing invented for a.

613
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: Movie that just spread.

614
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: But originally the jerkoff machines were definitely were like, oh,

615
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: we're going to solve all these men's problems. If like

616
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: these jerk off machines them off, like obviously, we'll get

617
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: all the bad to come out through their jizz. Yeah,

618
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: that's doctoring one oh one.

619
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, get them a prostate poker that's like made out

620
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: of puer uranium. You know. That's actually that's actually more

621
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: or less where this ends up. One of the things

622
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: they did know that was shown pretty early on in

623
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: radiation research is that when you exposed like a portion

624
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: of someone's body to radioactive waves, their leukocytes, their white

625
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: blood cells would kind of cluster around where that beam

626
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: was hitting. I'm guessing this is just your immune system

627
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: trying to defend itself from something. But like they they

628
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: this kind of this led the assumption that if you

629
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: irradiate part of the body, it will bring the white

630
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: blood cells there. And the white blood cells those are

631
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: basically the worker bees of your immune system. So that's

632
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: part of what the logic here is. Is it clearly

633
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: this stimulates our immune system, which must mean if you're sick,

634
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: you kind of like X ray the part of you

635
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: that is suffering, and it'll bring the white blood cells

636
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: and they'll take care of the problem. That's one of

637
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: the reasons people think this works. That's not what's happening.

638
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: Police do not radiate your like elbow if you've got

639
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 2: tennis elbow, right, But that's what people think is going on.

640
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: Treatments like this take off like gangbusters among certain segments

641
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: of the medical community. One physician reported that from nineteen

642
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: thirteen to nineteen twenty one he dispensed over seven thousand

643
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: injections of radium, the over the counter trade in radium,

644
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: and he's again just shooting straight radiation into people's body.

645
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: When they're like sick or whatever. Yeah, so well, yeah,

646
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: the over the counter trade in radium based pharmaceutical remedies

647
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: was even more widespread. One of the most popular early

648
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: devices was inspired by the supposed benefits of radon hot springs,

649
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: The Revigator by R. W. Thomas. This was basically a

650
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: big crockpot type device that you poured your water in.

651
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: It has a spigot, and this is like how you

652
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: drink your water every day, Right, You pour it into

653
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: it's like a filter bottle. Right, but you know what

654
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: the bottle is made out of, Tell me pure uranium.

655
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: It is. It is a cistern of uranium that you

656
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: pour your water in, and you're supposed to drink six

657
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: or seven glasses of uranium water every day.

658
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm sorry, that's flawless.

659
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have been a lot easier to make

660
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: like a backyard nuclear weapon back in the day. But

661
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: you know who will teach you how to make an

662
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 2: atomic bomb.

663
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,080
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664
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665
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Speaker 2: Back to the Future movie, and there's nothing he loves

666
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: more than giving people access to nuclear weapons. And we're

667
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: back so I want to read a quote from the

668
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: book Quackery by Lydia King and Nate Peterson next talking

669
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: about this uranium water dispensing system and if you had

670
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: any leftover water at the end of the day. Advertisements

671
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: encouraged consumers to water their plants. One of the problems

672
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: with the revigator, besides slowly poisoning people with about five

673
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: times the radium concentration recommended for drinking water, was its

674
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: lack of portability. Several similar, but smaller devices sprang onto

675
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: the market, including the Thomas Cone, the Zimmer Aminator, and

676
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: the Radium Aminator, all of which operated on a similar

677
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: principle that you simply PLoP them into water you were

678
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: about to drink. These devices, collectively dubbed eminators, were typically

679
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: manufactured from carnotite or a primary ore of uranium. The

680
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: uranium would gradually decompose, producing radium and radon gas in turn,

681
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: which then infuse the water to make it radioactive. So

682
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: you just dump in some uranium in your water to

683
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: take like a sip. You know that's what you need, right,

684
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: you know, just a little bit of uranium. It's good

685
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: for you.

686
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, callie, Yes, don't disrespect it.

687
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: Thank you, oh man, Yeah, that it does sound and

688
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: one of the things that's weird. I haven't found a

689
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: good explanation of this, but a lot of people report

690
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: they feel better, they feel invigorated, they feel energized when

691
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: they start consuming this stuff, and a lot of that

692
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: is certainly has to be the placebo effect. I do

693
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: wonder if maybe like there's a physical just because of

694
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: it's doing shit like it. Maybe there's some sort of

695
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: weird high that comes from taking radiation in this way.

696
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: I don't know how you would like study or prove

697
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: that objectively, but a lot of people do seem to

698
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: report like, yeah, I felt like I had more energy.

699
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: Now all these people die horribly of cancer, like five

700
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: years later, but it does seem to make people very energetically.

701
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: They pass like real pep.

702
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: I haven't found like a solid explanation for this, but

703
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: there are enough reports that a lot of people seem

704
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: to experience and maybe it is all placebo, but it

705
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: seems like it's more consistent than you'd see for that.

706
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it does seem like people experience

707
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: some like beneficial like they feel good on this stuff

708
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: for a while, So maybe there is some sort of

709
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 2: weird high you get when you're poisoning your body with radiation.

710
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that is that is at least

711
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: how people report feeling when they're on this stuff right now.

712
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: If you're making health products in the early nineteen hundreds

713
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: and you really want to provide people with the maximum benefit,

714
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: of course, people barely drank water back then, right, it

715
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: was all high balls, you know, so if you want.

716
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it was like stupid people would make

717
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: fun of you if you drink water.

718
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you fucking dumb ass, square little bitch.

719
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

720
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: So and they're talking to a baby who's trying to

721
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: literally drink milk out of its mother's teat.

722
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just like.

723
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 4: You were, dumb ass. Where's your fucking Manhattan?

724
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: I do say that to babies often. But so, if

725
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: you want people to get enough radiation in the early

726
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds, water is not your best bet. Cigarettes are.

727
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: And so the good people at the a but Shari

728
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 2: Tobacco Company and bod in Germany started producing the world's

729
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: first radium laced cigarettes for when you really want to

730
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: give your lung cancer some chest hair, right like that

731
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: lung cancer is not doing enough on its own. You

732
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta really puck fucking pump those numbers up.

733
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: That's some wookie lung cancer you got. Now, that is insane.

734
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: That is like one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

735
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: But the craziest thing is that, like, while these radium

736
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: cigarettes had a lot more radium than normal cigarettes, cigarettes

737
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: already have radium in them. Cigarettes actually have like more

738
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: radium than you would guess in them, Like all of

739
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: our cigarettes are to some extent radioactive. I did not

740
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: know this. I actually found this idea. Yeah, I'm going

741
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: to quote for an explanation. I'm going to quote from

742
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 2: an article on the EPA's website. Naturally occurring radium found

743
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: in the soil and from fertilizers can be taken up

744
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: by the roots of the tobacco plant. Radium radioactively decays

745
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: to release rate on gas, which then rises from the

746
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: soil around the plants. Rate on later decays into the

747
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: radioactive elements led to tin and polonium two ten. As

748
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: the plant grows, the rate on from fertilizer, along with

749
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: naturally occurring rate on decay products and surrounding soil and rocks,

750
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: cling to the sticky hairs on the bottom of the

751
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: tobacco leaves called trichomees. Rain does not wash them away.

752
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: Polonium two tin is an alpha emitter and carries the

753
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: most risks. Cigarettes made from this tobacco still contain these

754
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: radioactive elements. The radioactive particles settle in smokers lungs, where

755
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: they continue to build up as long as the person smokes.

756
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: Over time, the radiation can damage the lungs and can

757
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: contribute to lung cancer. And like one of the things

758
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: like radon heavy fertilizer is often used by the tobacco industry.

759
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: I think they from what I've read, it makes for

760
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 2: like bigger yields, And it is like research has found

761
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: that if you are smoking tobacco with lots of radon

762
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: in it, you are at a higher risk of lung

763
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: cancer than normal obviously the non smokers, but the normal smokers. Right,

764
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: it's like if you have two it's the same thing

765
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: if you're like getting exposed to rad on because you're

766
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: in like a basement that hasn't been mitigated. If you're

767
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: a non smoker, you are less likely to get cancer

768
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: from that than a smoker who was also exposed to radon,

769
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: Like the two the risks compound upon each other. Right,

770
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 2: I had no idea of that, but I guess cigarettes

771
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: are all radioactive, So that's cool.

772
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: I'm literally used to like run a student organization in

773
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: college that, like a lot of what we did was

774
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: anti Philip Morris action. And I knew all this other

775
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 3: shit about them. Did not know this?

776
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, neither did I wild Yeah, so that's cool. All

777
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: of this brings me to the story of our actual

778
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: bastard for the episode, William John Aloysius Bailey. That is,

779
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: we have We do have a.

780
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: Speca a name. I refuse to hate a name, a

781
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: man that has eloquishes in.

782
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: His as I know, Aloish's fucking nonsense name, right, Like,

783
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: how fucking dare you so? Will Bailey born May fifth,

784
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty four in Boston. We have woefully little about

785
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: his childhood or his early life. He seems to have

786
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: come from a working class background. Probably poor would be

787
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 2: a better way to describe it. One writer in Scientific

788
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: American described him as growing up in a tough neighborhood,

789
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: and he is a rough back ground. His dad, who

790
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: is a cook, dies when he's very young. He has

791
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: he is he dies when he he dies when will

792
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: is young. But he dies after having fathered nine children, right,

793
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: so he was getting it in he I couldn't have

794
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: been that old, right, so he must have just been

795
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: putting one out per years from the time he was

796
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: like sixty, you know. Yeah, yeah, putting in work, putting

797
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: in work. But this means that like his so, Will's

798
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: mom is always single, she doesn't remarry, So she is

799
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: on a single mother's salary fifteen bucks a week raising

800
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: nine kids. I know, and I looked it up. That's

801
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: about in modern terms, that's the equivalent of raising nine

802
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: children on two thousand dollars a month before taxes. Like,

803
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how you do that. I have literally

804
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: no idea how you do that. That's like, that's a

805
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: fucking nightmare. Like that is, yeah, just horrifying to comprehend.

806
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: And and like you said before that before taxes. We

807
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: don't know. I haven't found much really about his mom

808
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: or about his background, but like, just from what we know,

809
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: she kind of sounds amazing, like she was she somehow

810
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: managed to pay for William to go to a private school.

811
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: Like it becomes clear that he's a really gifted kid.

812
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: She manages to pay she sends him to the Boston

813
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: Public Latin School, which is like the I think the

814
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: oldest public school, like private school, but public is in

815
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: anyone can go if they pay in the country, right,

816
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: So a very prestigious institution. It is the kind of

817
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: private school you send your precocious young boys to if

818
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: you want them if it basically like what it's it's

819
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: big reputation.

820
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: It's a precocious young boys.

821
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're if you've got a gifted kid and

822
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: you want him to go to an Ivy League school,

823
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: but you don't have family money or like like legacy admissions,

824
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: that you send them here, and it like it specializes

825
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: in getting these kids ready for the Ivys. He does

826
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: really well. He graduates high school twelfth in his class,

827
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: and he and his mom basically have a goal of

828
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: getting him admitted to Harvard. He does not do great

829
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 2: on the entrance exam, particularly his science stuff is bad,

830
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: but he gets accepted anyway, and he enters Harvard as

831
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: a freshman in nineteen oh three. Again, we don't know

832
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: a lot about what was going through this dude's head

833
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: as a kid. From what we know about his background,

834
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: the poverty and struggle that his mom has to go through.

835
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: I think we can infer he grew up used to

836
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: being very poor and fucking hating it. Right, this guy's goal,

837
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: I want to go to Harvard. I want to like,

838
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: I want to make something of myself. I don't want

839
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: to be poor. I'm not going to do and like

840
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: whatever I have to do to make money is going

841
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: to be okay. Right, that's the uh, that's the conclusion

842
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: this guy comes to. And obviously while he's in college,

843
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: while he's sort of like starting to his formal education,

844
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 2: it's the same period that all of these discoveries about

845
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: radiation are happening. They're figuring out how you know about

846
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: raidum on in Hot Springs. The curies are doing a

847
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: lot of their work. So this is all kind of

848
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: a boom period both for public fascination and what seems

849
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: to be this miraculous new scientific discovery. And also the

850
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds is the boom period of what's called

851
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: patent medication, which is basically random pills and elixirs that

852
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: could be claimed to do anything because the FDA didn't

853
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: really do a lot back then.

854
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, y'ah.

855
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: Snake oil, Yeah, yeah, he's he's coming of age in

856
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: the snake oil era. And while you know he's a

857
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: smart kid, his grades are good. At Harvard, he's always

858
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: struggling to afford to stay there. Right, And after about

859
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: three semesters of increasing financial difficulties, William Bailey has a realization,

860
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: which is, why do I want to finish college when

861
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: the really valuable thing is just having the degree. I've

862
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: been to Harvard enough that I can talk convincingly about it, right,

863
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: I can just drop out and lie. You know, it's

864
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: nineteen oh three, nobody's got the internet. Nobody's going to

865
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: be able to check up on me, right, I just

866
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: fake bloom. Yeah, you get all the benefits of glass.

867
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 4: Fuck you Harvard. Yeah you can say did whatever?

868
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: And O?

869
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

870
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 4: How are what are they calling Harvard?

871
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

872
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Harvard CoP's gonna come after me. Fuck it.

873
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 2: I'll just lie exactly. So he moves to New York City.

874
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: He gets a job at an import export business, editing

875
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: their catalog, and he spends his free time scheming his

876
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: earliest plot. Now that he's in this import export he's

877
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: dealing with like international trade and stuff, he decides he

878
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: thinks he can convince the federal government to appoint him

879
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: to be the unofficial US trade ambassador to the Emperor

880
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: of China. Again, he's like twenty, that's that's kind of ambitious.

881
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know hows are sky? Yeah, he

882
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: starts with a big one, and he decides to try

883
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: to do this. He spends hours, all of his free

884
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: time basically writing and sending letters to god knows like

885
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: huge numbers of US government officials, right, and he's just

886
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: like laying out, here's how I would modernize trade with China.

887
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: You know, here's what I'll do if you guys make

888
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 2: me this, which, like, again he doesn't know these people.

889
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: He has never visited China, he knows nothing about it.

890
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: This does not go anywhere, right, People do not buy

891
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: buy into making him the ambassador. So he gives this

892
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: scheme up and he starts traveling. He starts living on

893
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: the road basically just like going to different countries, lying

894
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: about his background, and you know, getting whatever job it

895
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: seems is going to get him the most money. This

896
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: kind of ends in nineteen fourteen when he is in

897
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: Russia working with the Tsar's government, like consulting on oil

898
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: drilling operations. He has absolutely no experience here. He does

899
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: not know what he's doing. But he's good at lying

900
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: to the czar. So you know, that's a useful sat

901
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 2: that will get you far, that will get you very

902
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: far for about more years.

903
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: At this point, man, you will most likely get murdered.

904
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then the Bolsheviks will kill you, yes, yeah.

905
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: But he's smarter than the czar because when the war

906
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: breaks out, you know, being a fairly observant person, you

907
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: get the feeling this guy understands people pretty well. He

908
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: decides quickly, Russia's not going to be safe much longer.

909
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: Heads right on back to the United States. He gets

910
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: a job working in a machine shop, and he would

911
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: claim in his letters.

912
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: Now, at any point in history, if you make that proclamation,

913
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: you will be right.

914
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Russia's Russia might not be safe anymore.

915
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: Always a good call, truly. So he decides, I'm gonna

916
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: you know, he's He gets back home and he starts

917
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 2: sending letters, you know, to his former classmates from Harvard,

918
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: all of whom are you know, in their upper class

919
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: careers and shit, and he just starts lying telling them

920
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: that he's invented patents for like motor vehicles, moving pictures,

921
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: armor plates. He starts claiming to have invented a magneto generator.

922
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: Don't fully know what that is. He's just kind of

923
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: like lying about.

924
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: Elizabeth Holmes one point zero.

925
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, he very much is that kind of guy. Now,

926
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: what he's really doing is launching his career as a

927
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: con artist. He founds a company called the Carnegie Engineering Corporation.

928
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: He has enough knowledge about industry terms about like because

929
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: he's worked in sort of machine shops that he can

930
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: kind of fill out a convincing face business prospectus, and

931
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: he uses the name Carnegie because the Carnegie family are

932
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: like the most famous industrial dynasty in the country at

933
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: the time, so he just like sticks their name on

934
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 2: his business because he figures like, yeah, yeah, smart, he

935
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing. And then he starts advertising, putting

936
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: up ads and papers being like, for just you know,

937
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: I'm selling a six hundred dollars mail order automobile and

938
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: you can do it on credit. So you spit, send

939
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: me a fifty dollars deposit, I'll ship you the automobile

940
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: and you'll pay it back later. Right wo seems like

941
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: a great deal, right, you know? You get a car

942
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: for fifty bucks. That's not bad. Back me up, Sign

943
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: me up. Of course, there was no factory and no

944
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: mail order carre. Yeah, he's just lying, but thousands of

945
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: Rubes send him their hard earned money and he makes up.

946
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: He makes a good amount of money off of this.

947
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 4: Some of us are not Rubes.

948
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: We just thought that that sounded like a really great deal,

949
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: and like that that car sounded awesome. So whatever catafor.

950
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: He did kind of do a tesla where he's can't

951
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: pay me a little bit of money in front of it.

952
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: There's totally a car coming. You'll get your cyber trucks soon.

953
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: So according to the Journal of the American Medical Association quote,

954
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: the supposed factory turned out to be an abandoned sawmill

955
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: with one box of tools and three stenographers. This gets

956
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: found out when like he gets the ftc comes after him,

957
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: basically right, he gets arrested on December fourteenth of nineteen fifteen.

958
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: He's convicted of fraud, and he spends thirty days in jail.

959
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: Like most conmen in similar positions, getting caught and being

960
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: given a slap on the wrist merely convinced him to

961
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: be more careful next time. So we opt to go

962
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: for a real product, now not a product that works, right,

963
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: but an actual physical item his customers will receive so

964
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: that it's harder for them to complain to the FTC.

965
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: He's like, what I've learned is I need to be

966
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: a better con artist? Thank you?

967
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

968
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: They really Shancarceration doesn't really fix no anything.

969
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 2: No, I figured for a guy like this. I feel

970
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: the same thing about Elizabeth Holmes because I don't think

971
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: we're getting any safer by keeping her in a prison

972
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: for eleven years. You tattoo on their face con artist, right,

973
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: that that should mitigate the danger, Right, they can stay free.

974
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: Just everyone has to know that's a con artist whenever

975
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: they walk past, you know.

976
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, at the very least, maybe attach it to

977
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: like every credit check, every whatever you should possibly on

978
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: the person, you know, because otherwise, like what, they're just

979
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: learning how to be better criminals in jail. It's like,

980
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm not really I don't think they need the help.

981
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, or we have, like, you know, instead of using

982
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: the FBI for you know, entrapping random people at mosques,

983
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: we have a federal agent follow every con artist and

984
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: every conversation they have. They walk up afterwards and say

985
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: she's full of shit, like just absolutely full of shit,

986
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: like whatever she said to you, fucking lie, do not

987
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: give this person any money.

988
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: That would be actually the sickest job.

989
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: I think that might work. Actually, Yeah, like you.

990
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 3: Just come with individual like interesting ways to tell the

991
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: person the same news. Yeah that that fucking person that

992
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: you're on detail whether or whatever for is like they're

993
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: con artists. But you just like, one time it'll be

994
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: a singing telegram, one time it'll be balloons, Like you'll

995
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 3: get a flash mob going, you'll do the robot like,

996
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, you could just really go crazy.

997
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: You couldn't. I think, you know how, there's always I'm

998
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: sure you have a few of these people in your life.

999
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: I do like certain people are just like inherently trustworthy

1000
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: and like everyone likes them. Like you send out like

1001
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: NFL scouts to the colleges and be like, hmmm, oh Chris,

1002
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: everybody likes Chris. Everybody trusts Chris. Chris. You want a gig,

1003
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: America needs you.

1004
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris is just saluting on his way.

1005
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: To But but Will Bailey has just learned how to

1006
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: be a better conn artist. So the next product that

1007
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: he picks is a patent medication called Lazzi Go like

1008
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: Las Dashi dash Go. Lazzi Go for superb Manhood is

1009
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: the full name of the product. And as you may

1010
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: have guessed, it's a boner drug, right, And yeah, obviously

1011
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: when you think boners, what chemical do you think?

1012
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: Radium?

1013
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: Oh? No, strychnine. Strychnine. He's not in the radium yet. Oh,

1014
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: these are just strychnine boner dis Yeah, that's why basically

1015
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 2: dick nine right, you know, that's what we call it

1016
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: is because it's so fucking good for the bonus. Now,

1017
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: giving people strict nine pills for erections seems dangerous and insane,

1018
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: but it was also pretty common in patent medications of

1019
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: the day. And I want to quote from an article

1020
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: I found hosted by the Buckley Valley Museum, and this

1021
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 2: is one such medicine from the Buckley Valley Museum's collection

1022
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: is a bottle of Fellows compound syrup of hypho phosphts,

1023
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: invented by James Fellows, a Saint John new Brunswick drug

1024
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: merchant in the late eighteen hundreds. This remedy was widely

1025
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: sold to doctors to dispense the patients, as well as

1026
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: directly over the counter in pharmacies. Fellows's compound was considered

1027
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: an excellent recuperative tonic that could be used as a

1028
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: treatment for anemia, neurasthenia, bronchitis, influenza, pulmonary tuberculosis, and wasting

1029
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: diseases of childhood. Like, oh yeah, your kid's not putting

1030
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: on weight. Strict nine will help with that little bit

1031
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: of stryct nine.

1032
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sorry, wasting diseases of childhood. I'm gonna

1033
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 3: get that as like a bumper sticker.

1034
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 4: Oh my god, don't hog at me. I'm suffering from

1035
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 4: wasting diseases of childhood.

1036
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 3: Childhood.

1037
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: Now, if you're not a chemist, Strict nine is what

1038
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 2: we put in rat poison, right, it is very toxic.

1039
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: You should not ingest it, specifically, not in quantities. Despite

1040
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: its potential toxicity, Fellows's compound was manufactured and sold throughout

1041
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundreds. And what I found in that article, like,

1042
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: because again they have like a bottle of this at

1043
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: this museum, They're like our Fellows' compound bottle still contains

1044
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: its original liquid, making it a somewhat hazardous artifact to

1045
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: keep in our collection staff deal with this hazard by

1046
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 2: wearing nylon gloves whenever they handle the bottle. So it's

1047
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: still dangerous enough that you gotta wear ppe to hold this.

1048
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 2: They were just selling it to kids who are coughing. Yeah,

1049
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: that's cool. So alas for William, the law caught onto

1050
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: his strict nine boner pill scheme and he was fined

1051
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars plus costs for yeah, selling drinking rat poison.

1052
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 4: That's just not enough.

1053
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not enough, no not, And it doesn't stop him.

1054
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: All it does is it makes him think, like, all right,

1055
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: clearly there's good money to be made in selling people

1056
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: dick pills, and you know, I am Also he's also

1057
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: getting increasingly interested in like, people are really obsessed with

1058
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: the indocrine system in this period, we're just starting to

1059
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: understand what it is. So he's like, I bet all

1060
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: problems are caused by issues of the indocrine system. I

1061
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: wonder I want to sell ways people can boost their

1062
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: indocrine function, you know. Now he's also aware that a

1063
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: lot of radium based patent medications are being released, and

1064
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: he's like, that seems like the fucking business to be in.

1065
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: Speaking of the business to be in whatever business is

1066
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: sponsoring our podcast is the business to be in love it.

1067
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 2: We're back. So at the turn of the decade nineteen twenty,

1068
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: radiation therapy was still At this point, it's a bigger

1069
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 2: market in Europe than it is in the US because

1070
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: Europe is where a lot of radiation research starts, and

1071
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: over in Europe can get radioactive candies that are like

1072
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 2: adverts like it'll make your teeth glow, which is great. Shit,

1073
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 2: oh my god, fun.

1074
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: I'm just picturing those Instagram ads, you know. Yeah, yeah,

1075
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: they're always just like selling the teeth whitening shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that is exactly like how

1077
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: they're kind of marketing it, right. They're selling you know, liniments, potions, gadgets,

1078
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: a lot of different wild shit. But the tipping point

1079
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: for US based radium medication therapy is a tour of

1080
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: the States that Marie Curie takes in nineteen twenty one. Now,

1081
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: obviously Curi's a real scientist. I don't think she's a

1082
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 2: bad person. She's not trying to ignite like a scam

1083
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: medicine radiation industry.

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00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 4: You're opening was She's a real person.

1085
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: I don't think she's a bad she's real sorry, real scientist.

1086
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: So she starts writing. She basically does this big tour

1087
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: of the US where she's like writing on a train

1088
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: and like giving speeches all over the place that he

1089
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: stops about like all of the potential that these different

1090
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: radioactive compounds and elements have in medicine, a whole bunch

1091
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: of other things. Right, this is the birth of like

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00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: nuclear science basically. So she's she's talking a lot about

1093
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 2: that kind of shit. She's very charismatic, she's well spoken,

1094
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: and she gets people excited. Again. The hype is a

1095
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 2: lot like the hype for you know, AI or whatever.

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00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: The problem with this and this isn't really her fault,

1097
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 2: but because she's such a good hype woman, a lot

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00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: of dummies get convinced that radiation should belong in everything,

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00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: and grifters like will Bailey realized that like if I

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: slept just like how like there's like pepsi now that

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00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: says made with AI on the fucking bottle. Grifters realize like,

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00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 2: oh shit, if we just stick with this has radiation

1103
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 2: in it, people will buy even more of this. They'll

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00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: pay a fucking premium. Now it's possible. William Bailey Metcuri

1105
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: at some point. We don't actually know that, but he

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00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: was clearly inspired by her work, and his own dabbling

1107
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: with radiation therapy escalates. Right after her nineteen twenty one tour,

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00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 2: Bailey produces and circulates a translation of Curie's groundbreaking nineteen

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00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: ten two volume book Treatise on Radioactivity, which is what

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00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: she got her second Nobel Prize for, and he establishes

1111
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: a company associated Radium Chemists, Incorporated, which starts firing out

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00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: various radioactive medications. There was dax, a cough suppressant, claps,

1113
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: an influenza treatment that profited off of the still present

1114
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: terror of the recent nineteen eighteen pandemic, and then of

1115
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: course arim which is marketed as a weight loss Here

1116
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: this one might have worked because if you do I

1117
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: radiate yourself enough, you will get skinny.

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00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, like the more flesh falls away from you,

1119
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: fucking bones. Yeah, the skinner'll week he'll be not yoursto

1120
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: literally on.

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00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. So at this point there's not a lot to

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00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 2: differentiate Bailey from all of the other grifters selling radium medications.

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00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: Right every quack doctor and professional poisoner is racing to

1124
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: market new irradiated supplements.

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00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 3: Hate it when I'm trying to scam and then everyone

1126
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: is the same way.

1127
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 4: I want Tony the only scammers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Tragic. Now this is a time of astonishing creativity

1129
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: in the field of causing new and curable cancers. Perhaps

1130
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: the most reckless example of this was the radium eclipse sprayer.

1131
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: This is a pesticide gun that operates on the brilliant

1132
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: principle of killing insects by irradiating absolutely everything in your

1133
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: home and garden. One ad brag that it quickly kills

1134
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: all flies, mosquitoes, roaches. It has no equal as a

1135
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: cleanerough furniture, porcelain tile. It is harmless to humans and

1136
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: easy to use. I don't know about that. Certainly not

1137
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: harmless to humans, but yeah, it's basically just a radiation spray.

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00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: Home Products, a Denver based company, has the cunning plan

1140
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: to combine animal gland supplements, which at the time are

1141
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: being marketed by the likes of Bastard Plot alumni John Brinkley,

1142
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: the Goatball Doctor. So basically this is like the liver

1143
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: King shit where it's like organ meat is a super food.

1144
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: They're mixing organ meat and radium to produce one of

1145
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: the most Yeah.

1146
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 4: A perfect hot dog.

1147
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: Two tastes too great together. They call their product Vita Radium,

1148
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: and Home Products claimed it would help weak, discouraged men

1149
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: bubble over with joyous fatality. So again, it's a dick pill, right,

1150
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: you know now, I know what you want to know.

1151
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: It's not a pill, Sophia, because I know what you're wondering.

1152
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: How would you take a radiation in organ meat speedball? Right?

1153
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: Because that's what this is. I'm going to quote from

1154
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: the book Quackery here. I was not ready to learn this.

1155
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: The men who had the unfortunate experience of taking Vita

1156
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: radium certainly bubbled over with something. Because those radium supplements

1157
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: were suppositor radium suppositories, the patients were literally putting radium

1158
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: up their own asses. The women, however, had it worse.

1159
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: In an effort to combat the eternal feminine problem of

1160
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: sexual indifference, Home Products produced women's special suppositories. When inserted vaginally,

1161
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: these radium suppositories were claimed to cure all manner of

1162
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: sexual afflictions and once more, reinvigorate their sexual appetites. Your

1163
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: wife doesn't want to fuck, shove some radium upper hoho ha.

1164
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: I, it's like already bad enough just being a woman

1165
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 3: during that time, but now I also have to have

1166
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: a fucking nuclear pussy.

1167
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got a nucure vagina for sure.

1168
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: You know, like my uterinelining already sheds now, like the

1169
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: rest of my internal organs will just shed right out

1170
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 3: of my pussy. Yeah, that's that's cool for me.

1171
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: One of my ovaries popped right out and just started

1172
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: walking around. The bills must be working in my hand.

1173
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: So the praud. The primary issue with these different products,

1174
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: outside of the fact that they're incredibly dangerous, was that

1175
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: they're not cheap.

1176
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: Right.

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01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: Radium is it's not common, right, it's rare and expensive,

1178
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: and you know, so is like yeah, uranium or like

1179
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: only the very wealthy can afford, for example, that full

1180
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: uranium cistern for their family kitchen. So most people who

1181
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: were selling, yeah, most purveyors of recreational radiation products were

1182
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: either marketing them just to rich people they were like

1183
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: premium products, or if they were affordable, it's because the

1184
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: company led about the product being radioactive, which in this

1185
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: case is a real good thing, you know, right, what

1186
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: you want.

1187
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 4: Into something good?

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01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not how people see it at the time,

1189
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: and I'm going to quote from the Journal of the

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01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: American Medical Association again. Pharmacope used from the nineteen twenties

1191
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: listed dozens of patent medications that supposedly contain small amounts

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01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: of radioactive materials. Paradoxically, most of the governmental regulatory intervention

1193
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: in the growing field of radiopharmaceutical nostrums was limited to

1194
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 2: prosecuting patent medicine manufacturers who supposedly radioactive preparations were found

1195
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: to give off only background levels of radiation. So the

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01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: FDID goes the FDA goes after people, but just because

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01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: they're not putting enough poison in the meds. This isn't

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01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: deadly enough. You're not going to give them any kind

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01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: of crazy cancer with this.

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Speaker 4: Honey, expect this woman's pussy to them.

1201
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: God, the FDA has one goal, and it's making sha

1202
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: people continue to get new kinds of vaginal cancers.

1203
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 3: So on myself and becomes a literal tarnis I don't

1204
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 3: we succeeded.

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01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 2: So Bailey and some of his peers in the patent

1206
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 2: medicine industry are disturbed. Bailey particularly is a real He

1207
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: does seem to be a true believer in radiation, but

1208
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: he radiates himself quite a bit. So he is frustrated

1209
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: by like how many of these products are cons right,

1210
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: and so he starts working on a solution to this problem,

1211
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: an affordable economic way of exposing yourself to the equivalent

1212
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: of several dozen X rays each morning. This is where

1213
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: he would find his fortune and rack up his highest

1214
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 2: body count. But we're going to talk about that in

1215
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: part two. Sophia, Oh shit, hang in. Yeah, yeah, so

1216
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: you got anything to plug before we roll out apart one?

1217
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for asking.

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01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: I have a new Patreon It's the Sophia a Lexandra Project.

1219
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 3: So go to patreon dot com slash Sophia Alexandra and

1220
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 3: there I will be posting writing and videos and other

1221
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 3: really dope stuff.

1222
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: So go there, face well, go there or be square,

1223
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 2: you know. Thanks And obviously Sophia and I. You can

1224
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,040
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1225
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Speaker 2: you need to stay healthy, to stay energized. It's honestly, folks,

1228
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 2: It's just a fifty to fifty mix of uranium dust

1229
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: and cocaine. So you know, you'll have energy. You're gonna

1230
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: get fascinating new cancers, cancers. We're working on some cancers

1231
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: that people have never seen before. Doctors are very excited

1232
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: about about our uranium cocaine.

1233
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 3: It gonna be frenzy of that part in what hot

1234
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 3: American somewhere where they're like going into town and she's like, hey,

1235
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 3: get me some lube for my pussy.

1236
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got an uranium loob. It's just just you

1237
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: know what. You can either use it as lube for

1238
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: sex or you can run a new clear reactor off

1239
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: of it. It works for both. No longer will you

1240
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 2: have to go two different places for that.

1241
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 4: Get you a girl who can do both, I'm saying.

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01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: Listeners often ask me like, what would happen if I

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01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: didn't interrupt Robert during one of those things? And honeys now, you.

1244
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, it's not good. You're radium. We get it

1245
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: straight from the source. I go to Chernobyl, I dig

1246
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: up some Chernobyl dirt. I mix it with some fucking

1247
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: you know, industrial horse lube. Bada bing baya boom. We're

1248
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: good to go.

1249
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 3: Hey, I summer near Chernobyl when I was a kid,

1250
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 3: So I just have it inside my body.

1251
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert throwing, throwing, throwing an eel give that promo code.

1252
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll eel up a horse. We'll do it all, baby,

1253
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: We'll do it all anyway. See you all Thursday.

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 4: Don't listen to Robert Bye.

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