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Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Game two of the Western Conference Finals looked very similar
Speaker 2: to Game one, except for we didn't get the rough
Speaker 2: shooting performance from shake Yelgas Alexander in the first quarter.
Speaker 2: We got a few different defensive looks from Minnesota, neither
Speaker 2: of which I thought were the answer, and once again
Speaker 2: down the stretch, Oklahoma City pulls away as Minnesota just
Speaker 2: gets frustrated and kind of lets go of the rope,
Speaker 2: and we are headed back to Minnesota with the Thunder
Speaker 2: up two to zero. In this series, we're gonna be
Speaker 2: breaking down this game from the perspective of both teams.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about some potential adjustments. We're gonna be
Speaker 2: talking a lot about SGA today and some of the
Speaker 2: specific ways that he's super effective as an on ball
Speaker 2: score our Microsoft segment today, we're gonna be covering Shay's
Speaker 2: MVP case, lots of Shaye talk today, and then at
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Speaker 2: let's talk some basketball. So I thought tonight it was
Speaker 2: a classic example of how watching the box score is
Speaker 2: not the answer to who is playing better in any
Speaker 2: particular game. We had a question right after game where
Speaker 2: someone asked me why I wasn't more critical of Anthony
Speaker 2: Edwards scoring zero points in the fourth quarter. And one
Speaker 2: of the things we've talked a lot about since that
Speaker 2: is the reality in the massive difference between the way
Speaker 2: these two teams are guarding each other, and it was
Speaker 2: way more aggressive tonight. He had thirty two, nine and
Speaker 2: six and he was a minus twenty two, and I
Speaker 2: didn't think he played particularly well. The reality is is
Speaker 2: these two teams are guarding each other in diametrically opposed fashion.
Speaker 2: The Thunder are packing the paint, conceding corner kickouts, literally
Speaker 2: begging frant and Julius to try to force it into
Speaker 2: traffic so that they can be inefficient and turn the
Speaker 2: basketball over on the other end of the floor. In
Speaker 2: the other part of it, too, is they're just trying
Speaker 2: to force Minnesota their role players to take mildly contested
Speaker 2: corner threes in high pressure situations on the other end
Speaker 2: of the floor, With exception of a few sequences of
Speaker 2: zone which we'll talk about in a little bit, which
Speaker 2: a thunderscored fine against, and then kind of a haphazard
Speaker 2: aggressive double team approach against Shae in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: a lot of just staying home on shooters and just
Speaker 2: pressing up on Shae, playing one on one against him,
Speaker 2: defending ball screens two on two. The job for Shae
Speaker 2: in this series is to score the basketball. So what
Speaker 2: I'm looking for from Shaye is scoring volume and efficiency.
Speaker 2: The job for Aunt and Julius in this series is
Speaker 2: to get the ball out to their shooters on time,
Speaker 2: on target in the shooting pocket so that they can
Speaker 2: either make the defense pay knocking down the shot or
Speaker 2: drive a close out and get the defense into rotation
Speaker 2: where they can attack from there. And Ant came out tonight,
Speaker 2: took eighteen shots in the first half, and like, there
Speaker 2: was some good looks in there, some good three point
Speaker 2: shots off the catch that I liked, some that he made,
Speaker 2: some that he missed, driving layup off of a Julius
Speaker 2: Randall post up where he was one pass away where
Speaker 2: he finished over the top of chet driving to close out.
Speaker 2: There are shots in there that I liked. There are
Speaker 2: some even some one There are even some on ball
Speaker 2: one on one shots that I liked in there, But
Speaker 2: they were like eight or nine of those shots that
Speaker 2: I thought were bad shots early clock contested pull up
Speaker 2: threes against a pick and roll coverage, or trying to
Speaker 2: knife through six different bodies in the paint, including his
Speaker 2: own teammates, to try to finish in traffic. I thought
Speaker 2: he forced the issue tonight and Minnesota couldn't score. They
Speaker 2: didn't score over twenty five points in a quarter until
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. On the other end of the floor,
Speaker 2: Shay came out and consistently and efficiently worked out of
Speaker 2: ISOs and ball screens to make the Wolves pay for
Speaker 2: letting them play one on one and letting them play.
Speaker 1: Two on too.
Speaker 2: So the question is how is it that Shaye continues
Speaker 2: to be so successful against the defense as good as Minnesota's,
Speaker 2: And it goes deeper than the game plan. Part of
Speaker 2: it is the game plan, but by the way, Shaye
Speaker 2: has torched Minnesota all year long. The first half of
Speaker 2: Game one was the exception. He has torched these guys.
Speaker 2: Part of it is the game plan. Chris Finch historically
Speaker 2: has trusted his one on one defenders and wanted to
Speaker 2: stay home off the ball. That is very much a
Speaker 2: Chris Finch ideology. It's like the exact opposite of what
Speaker 2: you see from OKC or Memphis or some of these
Speaker 2: younger Ford aggressive pack to paint types of types of teams.
Speaker 2: But it goes deeper than that. Minnesota has elite one
Speaker 2: on one defenders. Jaden McDaniels is theoretically the perfect type
Speaker 2: of player to guard a guy like Shae, a guy
Speaker 2: that he can't overpower, a guy that has. He's got
Speaker 2: longer arms, is taller, who moves his feet well, great
Speaker 2: at contesting pull up jump shots. We even saw him
Speaker 2: block Shay pull up three tonight like He's theoretically the
Speaker 2: perfect type of player to guard it, but shake. Gilles
Speaker 2: Alexander was the best high volume ISO player in the
Speaker 2: league this year for a reason. Out of the five
Speaker 2: players to run at least three hundred ISOs to take
Speaker 2: at least three hundred shot attempts out ISO's his one
Speaker 2: point one zero points per possession rate number one in
Speaker 2: the league, and it's a simple dynamic. He is the
Speaker 2: best driver of the basketball in the world, and he's
Speaker 2: one of the highest field goal percentage pull up shooters
Speaker 2: in the world. That's the give and take with it.
Speaker 2: He logged two hundred and sixty five more drives than
Speaker 2: any other player in the NBA this year, In other words,
Speaker 2: four more per game than anyone in the NBA this year,
Speaker 2: and he's one of the highest field goal percentage pull
Speaker 2: up shooters in the world. At Out of the thirteen
Speaker 2: players to take at least five hundred pull up jump
Speaker 2: shots this year. Only Demarta ros In shot a higher
Speaker 2: field goal percentage than Shay, and Shay was more efficient
Speaker 2: because he took more threes. Shay shot forty five percent
Speaker 2: on mid on pull up jump shots one point zero
Speaker 2: six points per shot. This puts every defender, even fantastic
Speaker 2: defenders like Jad McDaniels and a bind. You have to
Speaker 2: overreact to the drive, but at the same time you
Speaker 2: have to overreact to the pull up because he's so
Speaker 2: good at both. And this is where Shay's brilliance comes
Speaker 2: into the equation, because he's remarkably gifted at selling one
Speaker 2: or the other, changing pace, selling fakes. He has a
Speaker 2: ridiculous ability to chain together counter moves. I've never seen
Speaker 2: a player that can get into your body and cross
Speaker 2: over and get into your body and behind the back
Speaker 2: and get into your body and spin and just counter
Speaker 2: counter counter until you eventually give up that angle. And
Speaker 2: when he give up, when you give up that angle,
Speaker 2: that's when he goes downhill on you and if you
Speaker 2: concede space. He's one of the best over the top
Speaker 2: shooters in the league. One of the things he was
Speaker 2: doing tonight that I found really interesting whether it was
Speaker 2: in ball screens or in ISO situations, he's snaking the
Speaker 2: help defender. You guys ever see this in ball screens
Speaker 2: where like a guy will come over the top of
Speaker 2: the screen and then he'll cross back over to the
Speaker 2: direction he originally came from, and the big man will
Speaker 2: have no idea what to do is he kind of
Speaker 2: works back towards the middle. Shay will do that on drives.
Speaker 2: He'll hard drive, someone will hard step over and help,
Speaker 2: and he'll just immediately cross back over into the middle.
Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, the help defenders got
Speaker 2: his body, a'll shift it out of position and he's
Speaker 2: right at the front of the rim again. It's one
Speaker 2: of the biggest reasons why I think Minnesota absolutely must
Speaker 2: change their game plan. This whole situation gets exacerbated by
Speaker 2: Jada McDaniel's ball pressure. I talked about this in Game one.
Speaker 2: You guys saw it again on the last driving layup
Speaker 2: that he had down the right side of the lane tonight,
Speaker 2: when Jaden.
Speaker 1: Is picking him up twenty eight feet.
Speaker 2: From the basket, that's just food for Shay. He's going
Speaker 2: right around him. Every single time we did see some
Speaker 2: shift from Finch. We saw some zone that didn't work.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it in a minute. Again, they tried
Speaker 2: doubling in the fourth quarter a little bit more. I
Speaker 2: don't think those are the answers. I'll talk about it
Speaker 2: in a minute when we start talking about Minnesota's adjustments.
Speaker 2: But the weaknesses for OKC that have been on display
Speaker 2: this postseason is sometimes Shay will force the issue through
Speaker 2: multiple bodies. When the defense is trying to force him
Speaker 2: to be a passer, he'll force it sometimes. And two,
Speaker 2: their catch and shoot guys can go deadly cold sometimes
Speaker 2: in this defensive scheme, which takes away catch and shoot threes,
Speaker 2: Let's Shay work one on one and pressures the ball,
Speaker 2: which allows him to drive to the basket. Is literally
Speaker 2: playing directly into Oklahoma City's hands. Every playoff series is
Speaker 2: a chess match, and that chess match starts with your
Speaker 2: base line scheme, usually a defensive scheme geared towards the matchup.
Speaker 2: For Chris Finch and the Wolves, it was geared towards
Speaker 2: exactly what they did in the regular season. To everybody,
Speaker 2: it's their kind of like stock scheme that they use
Speaker 2: right and nothing is going to change for either team
Speaker 2: until you show an ability to beat that base scheme.
Speaker 2: You want to know why we saw zone out of
Speaker 2: Minnesota tonight. You want to know why we saw doubling
Speaker 2: because they're grasping at straws because Shay is killing them
Speaker 2: one on one.
Speaker 1: You want to know why.
Speaker 2: Okac has more or less been doing the same thing
Speaker 2: on defense through the entire series to this point, It's
Speaker 2: because Ant keeps trying to force his way into traffic.
Speaker 2: Julius Randall forced his way right out of the game tonight.
Speaker 2: They are not showing the ability to dislodge Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: from their base scheme. Part of that is Minnesota's walked
Speaker 2: into the series with a certain amount of ego thinking,
Speaker 2: we have the best individual defenders in the league. Look
Speaker 2: what we do to Luca, Look what we did to Lebron,
Speaker 2: Look what we did to Austin. And you know, obviously
Speaker 2: the dregs of the Golden State roster after Steph got hurt.
Speaker 2: But like they went in that series thinking they were
Speaker 2: gonna be just fine. And again, like, what did I
Speaker 2: complain about in the Lakers series? What did I say consistently?
Speaker 2: Why did Minnesota win because Lebron couldn't score, because Luca
Speaker 2: couldn't score because Austin couldn't score when they needed to
Speaker 2: score in the pivotal moments of the game. Shay continually
Speaker 2: has given these dudes buckets. They can't guard him one
Speaker 2: on one. And so here we are through two games,
Speaker 2: and as we head back to Minnesota, they've got to
Speaker 2: they've got to shift their base scheme and we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens next. I'm gonna talk some Minnesota adjust Minnesota
Speaker 2: adjustments in a minute. Okome a city beating the zone.
Speaker 2: I thought it really came down to two things. Their
Speaker 2: offensive rebounding and again, this is a problem with zone
Speaker 2: in general. You're not matched up with individual offensive players,
Speaker 2: and so there's a tendency to give up cuts and
Speaker 2: crashes because you're just not matched up with guys and
Speaker 2: you can give up offensive rebounds in that way. And
Speaker 2: then Alex Cruso on his ability to score in the
Speaker 2: middle of the floor. One of the things he'll see
Speaker 2: against his zone, especially when you've got a chet Holmegrin
Speaker 2: or an Isaiah Hartenstein that can be a vertical spacer
Speaker 2: underneath the basket, the big man will not want to
Speaker 2: come out to the middle of the floor. He won't
Speaker 2: want to come out to the middle because he'll give
Speaker 2: up that lob or that dunk. So with the top
Speaker 2: guys being concerned with the guys on the top tracking
Speaker 2: the three point line, corner guys the same thing, a
Speaker 2: lot of two three zones will concede a catch there
Speaker 2: in the middle, and Crusoe over and over again just
Speaker 2: kept catching the ball in the middle of the floor
Speaker 2: and scoring there as he was left open, and so
Speaker 2: the zone just didn't work for Minnesota to slow down
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City in this game. I J Dub and Chet
Speaker 2: were both fantastic. Jet's been really effective in this series
Speaker 2: around the rim as a score since basically the second
Speaker 2: half of Game one, and a big part of that
Speaker 2: is that same dynamic we were talking about earlier. Everything's
Speaker 2: like in ball screens they're being defended two on two.
Speaker 2: In the one on ones when they're offering help, they're
Speaker 2: not like swarming. They're bringing one guy over, usually the
Speaker 2: big in which case when he steps over, Chet's finding
Speaker 2: opportunities as an offensive rebounder. Both Chet and JDub were
Speaker 2: deadly in transition in this game. I thought that was big.
Speaker 2: But to get fifty or to excuse me, to get
Speaker 2: forty eight points from those two guys. That's one of
Speaker 2: the best supporting scoring games we've seen the Thunder get
Speaker 2: in this postseason. And then overall just Oklahoma City's defense,
Speaker 2: which has been fantastic in this entire playoff run. They
Speaker 2: erased Julius Randall in this game. If you guys remember,
Speaker 2: I talked before the series about the specific thing that
Speaker 2: tilted me back towards Oklahoma City. Even though my initial
Speaker 2: gut feeling was that Minnesota had advantage in this series,
Speaker 2: the big thing that tilted me back towards Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: was the specific die you saw tonight, the inability to
Speaker 2: get the ball to Julius Randall in an advantageous scoring position.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City went back to the exact same approach that
Speaker 2: they used against Denver, which was just fronting the post,
Speaker 2: and we saw multiple steals on plays where Julius tried
Speaker 2: to get the arm into the back and create that
Speaker 2: over the top passing angle. Pass comes in over the top,
Speaker 2: but there's ball pressure, so that passes like a looping pass,
Speaker 2: and here comes lou Dort shooting in on the back
Speaker 2: line to get that steal. I think it was Shay
Speaker 2: that got the other one coming over and swiping away
Speaker 2: against the post front as he brackets from behind. Their
Speaker 2: defense has been fantastic in the series. The ball pressure,
Speaker 2: the rim contests the Shay has been causing some problems
Speaker 2: for Ant with like late contests at the rim he
Speaker 2: forced to miss, he got a block on a late
Speaker 2: one where Ant got bailed out by an iffy foul call.
Speaker 2: There's a there is a layered effect to this Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City defense that is having big time impact on Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Minnesota notes couple things. The big thing is they need
Speaker 2: to change their defensive approach. I don't think the answer
Speaker 2: is zoned. I don't think the answer is ball pressure.
Speaker 2: I don't think the answer is double teaming. I think
Speaker 2: the answer is you play defense the way Denver did
Speaker 2: you have Jaden McDaniels sit in a passive defensive stance
Speaker 2: where he's meeting Shay closer to the elbows. We saw
Speaker 2: that when Jaden kind of gives space, he can close
Speaker 2: ground and get a great contest on a shade pull
Speaker 2: up three. Instead of pressuring Shay, he needs to be
Speaker 2: playing off, sitting back, making Shae drive into him where
Speaker 2: he has more time to anticipate the driving angle and
Speaker 2: to beat him to spots, and it's more likely to
Speaker 2: bait Shae in to pull up jump shots. Then I
Speaker 2: do think they need to be using the Denver approach
Speaker 2: of gapping really hard, getting into the point where you've
Speaker 2: got four bodies in the ain't consistently and dare Shae
Speaker 2: and these guys to beat you in the half court
Speaker 2: as passers. When you double team shay out at half court,
Speaker 2: it creates a four on three in a massive area
Speaker 2: of space. There's so much space to work with there.
Speaker 2: You guys have seen the Golden State Warriors annihilate teams
Speaker 2: for a decade using those four on threes with that
Speaker 2: kind of space. When you double double team quote unquote
Speaker 2: Shae in the form of more like three four bodies
Speaker 2: in the paint consistently, that is a situation that creates
Speaker 2: the advantage for Oklahoma City on the perimeter. Make Shae
Speaker 2: relentlessly hunt kickout reads, make these dudes knock down contested
Speaker 2: jump shots. Now, one of the things is I did
Speaker 2: think it was defensible, even though I do think this game,
Speaker 2: this series was inevitably careening towards a defensive shift towards
Speaker 2: more what I'm talking about, I did think that it
Speaker 2: was defensible to try it again tonight. It was defensible
Speaker 2: because theoretically, you kept game one close and you just
Speaker 2: missed a ton of kickout threes. So in theory, you
Speaker 2: go into game two, you stick with your base defensive
Speaker 2: game plan, guys shoot better, and you have a chance
Speaker 2: to go back back home with a one to one series,
Speaker 2: and maybe you can hold that card in your back pocket.
Speaker 2: But now through two games, it's abundantly clear that these
Speaker 2: guys aren't going to be able to knock down enough
Speaker 2: of those kickouts in the corner against those contests, and
Speaker 2: so now it's at the point where now it's at
Speaker 2: the point where you have to consider changing your defensive approach.
Speaker 2: You've got to get more stops than you've been getting.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City since the first half of Game one, has
Speaker 2: consistently scored at high volume. Seventy points in the second
Speaker 2: half of Game one, fifty eight points in the first
Speaker 2: half of game two, sixty points in the second half
Speaker 2: of game two. They are scoring on you consistently for
Speaker 2: a game and a half.
Speaker 1: Now you have to change that scheme.
Speaker 2: I also think it's defensible in the sense that it's
Speaker 2: hard to win on the road, and so throwing that
Speaker 2: like Game three is a must win now you gotta
Speaker 2: get that one. So I like the idea of going
Speaker 2: into game three and shifting your scheme in that game.
Speaker 2: Or you're also getting the benefit of role players being
Speaker 2: more comfortable feeding off of the crowd, potentially Oklahoma City's
Speaker 2: role players getting less comfortable. That's where I think that could,
Speaker 2: you know, especially with the scheme change, that could tilt
Speaker 2: things more heavily towards Minnesota. And so I think I
Speaker 2: think in game three there needs to be way less
Speaker 2: ball pressure, way more of a contain and compact the paint.
Speaker 2: Force Shay to beat you with the pass, force Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City to beat you from the perimeter instead of letting
Speaker 2: them knifeet a pieces in the middle of the lane
Speaker 2: like they have through the first two games. Another fifty
Speaker 2: eight points in the paint tonight for Oklahoma City. A
Speaker 2: couple other things I talked about in game one, how
Speaker 2: I would potentially consider leaning into Rudy Gobert more. No
Speaker 2: more of that. I thought Rudy was bad tonight. I
Speaker 2: thought he was bad on defense, and I thought he
Speaker 2: was nightmarishly bad on offense. He got thirty minutes tonight,
Speaker 2: I didn't think he was effective at any point. So
Speaker 2: I'm kind of over the Rudy Gobert experience in this series.
Speaker 2: The complete inability to finish anything in the pocket and
Speaker 2: then on defense like him not contesting Isaiah Hartenstein's floater
Speaker 2: down low, even though we got clear at film from
Speaker 2: the Denver series that that's how you bother him. The okay,
Speaker 2: you're on a switch against Shay Gills Alexander, or handling
Speaker 2: Shay in a drop coverage, and you're just fouling him
Speaker 2: every time. He's not providing any real resistance. I don't
Speaker 2: see the Rudy value in this series anymore. So we
Speaker 2: talked about that as being a potential option to explore
Speaker 2: in game one or after game one. You explored it
Speaker 2: more tonight. No more need to explore that territory. I
Speaker 2: don't think this is a series where Rudy can be
Speaker 2: very effective. Julius rand last to change his approach. I
Speaker 2: thought he tried to force his way through a slump today.
Speaker 2: We talked a lot about this example in the last
Speaker 2: few weeks in our playback sessions, but the idea of
Speaker 2: like how do you get yourself out of a slump
Speaker 2: when the shots aren't falling. There's option one, which is
Speaker 2: take every shot you can get your eyes on. We
Speaker 2: saw a lot of that with like Dante DiVincenzo in
Speaker 2: Game one, for example, and in that sort of situation,
Speaker 2: you're most likely just going to compound the problem because
Speaker 2: you're probably going to be taking a bunch of iffy
Speaker 2: shots that are low percentage under any circumstances, especially when
Speaker 2: you're not in a good rhythm. The second method is
Speaker 2: find ways to generate easy shots and derive confidence from
Speaker 2: the dirty work. Defend your ass off, rebound your ass off,
Speaker 2: control everything that's in your control, which will help boost
Speaker 2: your confidence to where you feel better on the offensive end,
Speaker 2: and then on the offensive end, fight for easy looks.
Speaker 2: Transition pushes, offensive rebound crashes, anything with the real advantage,
Speaker 2: whether it's a post mismatch or it's say, you know,
Speaker 2: a semi transition opportunity where you can drop your shoulder.
Speaker 2: There's a very brief stretch in the third quarter where
Speaker 2: Julius like really started to force the issue physically. He
Speaker 2: got like a deep transition seal for a bucket, another
Speaker 2: like deep post up, and then a couple of like
Speaker 2: semi transition pushes and I'm like, hey, like this is better.
Speaker 2: But there was this huge stretch of the game where
Speaker 2: he was already one for five, one for six, and
Speaker 2: he's just taking every semi contested three he can get
Speaker 2: his hands on, and like, that's just not gonna get
Speaker 2: you out of that sort of slump. Again, there's this
Speaker 2: is where I'll move to the last adjustment here and
Speaker 2: Julius have to be looking to be aggressive with an advantage,
Speaker 2: not at the beginning of the possession. At the beginning
Speaker 2: of the possession, they're attacking a loaded up Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: defense that is praying to God that they will do
Speaker 2: something stupid like try to score through all of them
Speaker 2: in the paint. The on ball guy, whether it's Julius
Speaker 2: or its Aunt, or it's one of the role players,
Speaker 2: needs to be looking in By the way, one of
Speaker 2: the things they're doing with the other role players is
Speaker 2: they're not overreacting as much on those pushes or anything
Speaker 2: in the middle of the floor. But if Julius and Aunt,
Speaker 2: whether it's through the post or it's through a pick
Speaker 2: and roll or an ISO or whatever it is, get
Speaker 2: the ball to the middle, get it sprayed out from there,
Speaker 2: drive and kickspacing, get out of the middle of the
Speaker 2: floor somewhere where you can get back in a position
Speaker 2: to catch that guy will either catch and shoot and
Speaker 2: make a wide open catch and shoot three or against
Speaker 2: a close out will drive and now you have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to attack when the defense is shifted and sprinting
Speaker 2: at you. That is where Aunt and Julius can look
Speaker 2: to be aggressive and score. This is not an on
Speaker 2: ball scoring series for Ant and Julius. It is an
Speaker 2: on ball playmaking and off ball scoring series for Aunt
Speaker 2: and Julius. They have to make that adjustment or they
Speaker 2: are never going to crack Okac out of their base scheme.
Speaker 2: All right, before we get to our mail back questions,
Speaker 2: let's do our course correction segment on Shay's MVP. Welcome
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five MVP of the NBA, Shay Gilders.
Speaker 2: Alexander Shay had a remarkable statistical season thirty three points
Speaker 2: per game, five rebounds, six assists, one point seven steals
Speaker 2: in a block, sixty four percent true shooting. That's somehow
Speaker 2: under selling how important he was to the Oklahoma City offense.
Speaker 2: Per cleaning the glass. The Thunder offense was nine point
Speaker 2: one points per one hundred possessions better when he was
Speaker 2: on the floor versus off. The strength of the Thunder
Speaker 2: is their defense. We all know that, and their defense
Speaker 2: is elite down the roster, regardless of who was on
Speaker 2: the floor, including Shay. But they could not score with
Speaker 2: Shay off the floor this year. They had a one
Speaker 2: to fourteen point eight offensive rating with him off. For perspective,
Speaker 2: that's a lower offensive rating than the Houston Rockets log
Speaker 2: this year in the regular season, but they had a
Speaker 2: one twenty four offensive rating when Shay was on the floor,
Speaker 2: which is three points better than the number one offense
Speaker 2: in the league, the Cleveland Cavaliers. We were talking about
Speaker 2: Nicole Yokich having the greatest offensive season of all time.
Speaker 2: They had a won twenty six offensive rating with Yokic
Speaker 2: on the floor. Shaye was producing with that Thunder offense
Speaker 2: at nearly the same level. In other words, the Thunder
Speaker 2: offense went from mediocre to elite top tier production when
Speaker 2: Shae was on the floor. And this goes beyond the
Speaker 2: metrics to the eye test. There were so many times
Speaker 2: this year where Shaye's entire supporting cast lost their confidence
Speaker 2: and he had no choice but to completely take control
Speaker 2: of the game. He was also one of the most
Speaker 2: reliably great scores in the league this year. Shay had
Speaker 2: just nine games this season where he shot below forty
Speaker 2: percent from the field. For comparison, a guy like Ant
Speaker 2: twenty five such games. Oh well, Aunt takes a lot
Speaker 2: of threes. Okay, how about Brunson. Brunson's a guy who
Speaker 2: lives in the mid range. Twenty one times this year
Speaker 2: Brunson shot below forty percent from the field. How is
Speaker 2: it that Shay is so reliably good on the defensive
Speaker 2: end of the four well for starters, two thirds of
Speaker 2: his shot attempts come within seventeen feet, so there's very
Speaker 2: little variants because there's very little long range jump shooting.
Speaker 2: And then on those short range jumpers, which would be
Speaker 2: the one thing in there that has a lot of variants,
Speaker 2: he shot fifty four percent on jumpers inside of seventeen feet,
Speaker 2: so he was deadly on the one thing in his
Speaker 2: two thirds of his game that occurs within seventeen feet
Speaker 2: of the rim that would theoretically come with some variants.
Speaker 2: He also got to the rim an absurd amount. We
Speaker 2: talked about his drives earlier, five hundred and fifty attempts
Speaker 2: at the rim this season, according to Synergy. For Perspective, NICOLEA.
Speaker 2: Jokic logged five hundred and fifty three attempts at the
Speaker 2: rim this season, only three more than Shay did. I
Speaker 2: thought he was very much deserving of the MVP. I'm
Speaker 2: a big Jokic fan, and I do think Jokic is
Speaker 2: a better basketball player than Shay is.
Speaker 1: That's not the purpose of this award.
Speaker 2: It's a regular season award, and Shae was the best
Speaker 2: regular season player in the league this year for by
Speaker 2: far the best team in the league. They finished eighteen
Speaker 2: games ahead of Denver. I also thought Jokics let go
Speaker 2: the rope defensively in the second half of the season,
Speaker 2: and that played directly into the problems they had down
Speaker 2: the stretches. They slid down the standings and had to
Speaker 2: fire their coach. I heard a lot of talk about
Speaker 2: Jokic having the greatest offensive season ever and us looking
Speaker 2: back this year and thinking that the MVP decision we
Speaker 2: made was a mistake. I don't see it that way
Speaker 2: at all. I think SGA's MVP case is beyond well deserved.
Speaker 2: I don't think any player in the league had a
Speaker 2: reasonable case to be over him. So congratulations to Shay.
Speaker 2: Obviously you just won the MVP. But at this point
Speaker 2: I would be stunned if the Thunder didn't win the title.
Speaker 2: I think they match up extremely well with both Indiana
Speaker 2: in New York, two teams that rely on guard play
Speaker 2: and speed, and Oklahoma City has just got better speed
Speaker 2: and better guard play while also being better defensively on
Speaker 2: the back line than both of those teams. I think
Speaker 2: they would dispatch if both the Knicks and the Pacers
Speaker 2: in five games or less, and at this point you're
Speaker 2: up two to zero in the Western Conference Finals in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Hasn't even come remotely close to dislodging you from your
Speaker 2: base game plan? Or does that tell me? That tells
Speaker 2: me this time a month from now, the Thunder are
Speaker 2: going to be hoisting the trophy and Shay won't just
Speaker 2: be an MVP, He'll be a finals MVP. And if
Speaker 2: you start to look at the Thunder and the assets
Speaker 2: they have at their disposal, and the age of their roster,
Speaker 2: and the fact that they still have so much room
Speaker 2: to improve, it might not even be the first one
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Speaker 2: Jackson's gonna come on stage and we're gonna take ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen minutes of questions.
Speaker 3: First question, probably, and this person said, probably a little
Speaker 3: bit early to ask.
Speaker 1: This kind of question.
Speaker 3: But now that they're continuing to dominate, is this Okac
Speaker 3: defense one of the best ever? And if they win
Speaker 3: the title, will they be one of the best teams ever?
Speaker 2: So you're never gonna hear me talk about a basketball
Speaker 2: team being one of the best basketball teams ever until
Speaker 2: they win multiple championships. I'm consistent about this stuff. Here's
Speaker 2: a really simple way to put it. Boston had a
Speaker 2: similar year last year where they ran through the entire league,
Speaker 2: won sixty four games, kicked everyone's ass in the postseason,
Speaker 2: never even felt remotely threatened like Oklahoma City showed some
Speaker 2: flaws against Denver and looked like threatened at one point
Speaker 2: in time. I I told Boston fans at the time,
Speaker 2: I didn't see them as an all time great team
Speaker 2: because you kind of have to earn that, right with
Speaker 2: me and guys like, I'm pretty consistent about this stuff,
Speaker 2: Like it was the same thing with Jokic back in
Speaker 2: the day. Like I think that there's a conversation you
Speaker 2: can have about who's the best at something, But I'm
Speaker 2: usually the guy that like wants to see you accomplish
Speaker 2: the ultimate goal first. I don't like theoretical success. I
Speaker 2: like real life success. And so for me, like, I
Speaker 2: think the Thunder have every possibility to be an all
Speaker 2: time great team that wins multiple championships and when they do,
Speaker 2: if they do, we will acknowledge them as as such.
Speaker 1: But I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like to jump the gun there as far
Speaker 2: as the defense goes, and again, we got to see
Speaker 2: see it just survive like multiple seasons. So like say say,
Speaker 2: for instance, you beat Denver again next year, different Denver team,
Speaker 2: or you beat like a Spurs team that has Yannis
Speaker 2: and Wemby and Dearren Fox. Like, the idea of winning
Speaker 2: multiple championships involves two separate seasons where you beat four
Speaker 2: different teams in four differ rounds that are very different
Speaker 2: types of teams. And so the defense side of it,
Speaker 2: I need to see that defense have that success through
Speaker 2: multiple playoff runs. That said, I absolutely see that upside
Speaker 2: and I thought it manifested in them that Denver offense
Speaker 2: was unbelievable all year and for extended stretches. Not only
Speaker 2: did they quote unquote dislodge or frustrate Denver's offense, they
Speaker 2: played Jokic into probably the worst three game stretch I've
Speaker 2: ever seen in play in game two three and four,
Speaker 2: so or was it three four and five?
Speaker 1: I can't even remember. I think it was two three
Speaker 1: and four.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, like the defense certainly has that capability,
Speaker 2: The team overall certainly has that capability. I'm just not
Speaker 2: the guy to start throwing around the all time great
Speaker 2: phrase until you win multiple championships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. They do.
Speaker 3: Look, it feels it feels like they're at a different
Speaker 3: level defensively than the rest of the league, which I
Speaker 3: think is something that speaks volumes and is why these
Speaker 3: conversations are at least it's fair to at least start them,
Speaker 3: because even they haven't won even one title yet. They
Speaker 3: certainly haven't won too, but they it feels obvious on
Speaker 3: the eye test that they are a gap from the
Speaker 3: second best event in the NBA, which feels like something
Speaker 3: we didn't haven't talked about much either than like, you know,
Speaker 3: four Pistons, you know, which is not to say that
Speaker 3: they're as good as good as that team defensively, but
Speaker 3: that gap is why I think these conversations are at least,
Speaker 3: you know, reasonable at.
Speaker 2: This point, and to your point, like you want to
Speaker 2: know why the Pistons are remembered that way. Not only
Speaker 2: did they beat Shaq and the Shaq and Kobe Lakers,
Speaker 2: but they made an additional run to the NBA finals
Speaker 2: and what I can't remember exactly what it was, but
Speaker 2: they were in the Eastern Conference finals something like five
Speaker 2: or six years in a row. Like they were perennially
Speaker 2: perennially playing.
Speaker 1: In May and June.
Speaker 2: And so they they resonated with us because of that.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, like like, guys, like all you
Speaker 2: have to do is make yourself irrefutable, like you, I
Speaker 2: know it sounds simple to say, but like, like do
Speaker 2: do it. And at a certain point, no one can
Speaker 2: say anything. Like it's like the Steph Curry thing. Everyone's
Speaker 2: all Stephan only one because of KD and injuries. Oh
Speaker 2: Steph only one with KD and injuries. What happened?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: He won without KADI and without as much talent as
Speaker 2: the team he was going against it. And now Steph is
Speaker 2: stamped forever. If you look at Steph and you don't
Speaker 2: see why he's good, I can't even talk basketball with
Speaker 2: you because it's unassailable what he did. This is the
Speaker 2: beginning of a potentially long journey that all they have
Speaker 2: to do is keep knocking teams out, and they're gonna
Speaker 2: have that reputation of being one of the all time
Speaker 2: great teams on both ends of the floor for sure.
Speaker 3: Another question about okay, see why do you think this
Speaker 3: is okay?
Speaker 1: This is a super chat question, by the way, thank
Speaker 1: you for the super chat.
Speaker 3: Why do you think this OKC team is so disliked
Speaker 3: when it feels like they're similar to sort of an
Speaker 3: early two thousands era basketball team. Basketball fans have said
Speaker 3: they wanted defense and driving the ball. They got it,
Speaker 3: and yet somehow they're still disliked.
Speaker 1: Thoughts a couple of things.
Speaker 2: I think that when a team is kicking everyone's ass,
Speaker 2: they tend to become universally disliked. That Jackson, I'm sure
Speaker 2: you could speak to that as a fan of the
Speaker 2: Celtics over the years and as someone who uh you know,
Speaker 2: worked with Draymond and covered the Warriors very closely. Like
Speaker 2: no one likes getting their ass kicked. I think I
Speaker 2: think everyone. I think everyone sees the writing on the
Speaker 2: wall a little bit, which is like Oklahoma City will
Speaker 2: probably go into next season, is like a pretty substantial favorite,
Speaker 2: like probably somewhere in the like like if you had,
Speaker 2: If I would, I would guess that okayse would enter
Speaker 2: next season at like almost even odds to win the title.
Speaker 3: I would too, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: Like and so like they're they're the best team that
Speaker 2: we've seen in terms of like overall UH two way
Speaker 2: talent to the since the team that Kevin Durant and
Speaker 2: Steph Curry were on in that Warriors uh stretch there
Speaker 2: in the late twenty tens. But they don't have some
Speaker 2: of the fragility that we saw with Boston, where it's like, well,
Speaker 2: Chris tops porzingis can't stay healthy and Al Horford is
Speaker 2: getting very old, and like Jada or excuse me, like
Speaker 2: Jalen Willie or excuse me, Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum
Speaker 2: are both kind of like rickety stars that have the
Speaker 2: potential to like spiral in big moments, like Shay is
Speaker 2: just Shay is just a more reliably great star at
Speaker 2: the head of it. And they're younger and healthier and
Speaker 2: more athletic, and so it's easier to see more sustained success.
Speaker 2: And I think everyone is kind of experiencing a similar
Speaker 2: feel to what the Warriors looked like when Kevin Durant
Speaker 2: was on the team where it's like, how the hell
Speaker 2: are we gonna beat these guys, you know? And then
Speaker 2: I think the second part of it is like, like
Speaker 2: you and I were complaining about this before the show,
Speaker 2: Like Shay is so amazing, and so is Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2: The two of them are so unbelievably good, and like
Speaker 2: I I like, for some reason, when I see Shay
Speaker 2: go down in a pivotal third quarter run in unleash
Speaker 2: the low gather on Nikil Alexander Walker and just drive
Speaker 2: through his chest and then throw up a left handed
Speaker 2: flow that like literally no basketball player would ever take
Speaker 2: under any circumstances unless they were expressly looking for a foul,
Speaker 2: and he banks it in and the crowd goes crazy,
Speaker 2: and it's like this big moment, right Like it feels
Speaker 2: like Shaye driving the nail in the coffin of Game two,
Speaker 2: and it just kind of is like, oh, but it's
Speaker 2: a non basketball play. That's gross, And so I think
Speaker 2: there's a certain amount of that that's kind of eating
Speaker 2: at people a little bit. But I would I would
Speaker 2: even say that's hails in comparison to the simple fact
Speaker 2: that everyone's just scared shitless that these guys are going
Speaker 2: to be impossible to beat for the next couple of years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that is so on point. And I
Speaker 3: think the fact that it feels like there's no other
Speaker 3: real contender, combined with the fact that they have perfectly
Speaker 3: seemingly executed this like draft your stars and draft your
Speaker 3: role players thing, they kind of have done it the
Speaker 3: way that people want teams to do it, and yet
Speaker 3: nobody likes it because they're so Unstoppable's next question, j
Speaker 3: dev has looked a lot better this series and he
Speaker 3: did last series. What do you think he has done differently?
Speaker 3: Has he done something differently or is it sort of
Speaker 3: just making more shots?
Speaker 2: It's the one. It's it's the defensive scheme. Both Shay
Speaker 2: and Shaye and Jadubb looked bad in the second round
Speaker 2: except for crunch time because of the fact that the
Speaker 2: two of them kept trying to force it through Denver's
Speaker 2: defense and take stupid ass shots Like Minnesota is letting
Speaker 2: these dudes play one on one and both of them
Speaker 2: look way more comfortable as a result, and like that
Speaker 2: that really, to me is like exactly what makes Minnesota's
Speaker 2: game plan so dumb? You're the entire purpose of a
Speaker 2: defensive game plan in the postseason is to make your
Speaker 2: opponent uncomfortable, and they have allowed Shae and JDub and
Speaker 2: even Chet to get comfortable because they're playing in a
Speaker 2: setting that kind of fits their skill set perfectly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do a couple more questions then go over
Speaker 3: to playback. Uh hey, Jason, Minnesota seem to spark a
Speaker 3: comeback with Rudy and Julius off the floor in the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter. Is that type of lineup specifically or just
Speaker 3: in general small ball something you think they can be
Speaker 3: successful with going.
Speaker 2: Forward A couple things. I think that they need to
Speaker 2: go without Gobert. Anyway, I think that was pretty clear
Speaker 2: you don't bail on Julius for the series. I thought
Speaker 2: it made sense to bail on him tonight because he
Speaker 2: was just out of it. But Julius, they're not winning
Speaker 2: this series unless Julius plays better. But like I also
Speaker 2: thought there was like a classic example of like a
Speaker 2: little bit of a relenting of the intensity from Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: I thought Aunt got like two or three kind of
Speaker 2: questionable whistles on plays where he didn't really get foul,
Speaker 2: but he was just driving through four bodies and it's
Speaker 2: almost like a sympathy whistle.
Speaker 1: There was like just a level of.
Speaker 2: Like kind of downhill desperation verve that Minnesota was playing
Speaker 2: with that Oklahoma City wasn't matching, Like I thought, most
Speaker 2: of what happened at the end of the game was
Speaker 2: like kind of classic fake comeback stuff really quickly. Just
Speaker 2: so you guys have some numbers. These zone possessions. Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City fifteen possessions of zone one point one to three
Speaker 2: points per possession. So they were successful against it all
Speaker 2: night long. Minnesota's twenty one unguarded catch and shoots in
Speaker 2: this game, and they only got zero point eighty six
Speaker 2: points per shot, And like, really that's kind of the
Speaker 2: main thing. And like if there's one defense to throw
Speaker 2: at ant for him just trying to ram his head
Speaker 2: through a brick wall tonight, it's that his teammates are
Speaker 2: all shit in the bed because like there's a certain
Speaker 2: amount of like none of them can score in these
Speaker 2: advantages that Oklahoma City is gift wrapping for them. And
Speaker 2: at a certain point, I think he's just looking at
Speaker 2: the situation and going, I, well, never mind, I'll do
Speaker 2: it myself, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nikilo finally had hit some shots but when Julius
Speaker 3: Randall and Nasried are combined too for a million, it's like,
Speaker 3: what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly? Uh?
Speaker 3: Last question before playback, Hi, Jason, big fan of the show.
Speaker 3: What do you think has caused so many stars getting
Speaker 3: injured in this playoffs? And is there anything to do
Speaker 3: to prevent it?
Speaker 2: Yes, there is something to do to prevent it. I
Speaker 2: think that this has been pretty clear for a half
Speaker 2: decade now, which is that the hunt for additional possessions
Speaker 2: through higher paced play, the drive and spacing the four
Speaker 2: out one in relocating spacing with like lots of super
Speaker 2: hard closeouts and covering ground in transition. There's no doubt
Speaker 2: that the style of play is infinitely harder on the
Speaker 2: lower body than what the eighties and nineties look like
Speaker 2: or even the two thousands, right, And so I think
Speaker 2: that I think that the NBA has a problem that
Speaker 2: they have to look to address, which is that in
Speaker 2: multiple consecutive postseasons now we're not just seeing like a
Speaker 2: couple stars get hurt, like it's happening to three, four,
Speaker 2: five guys in every single postseason run torn achilles, torn acls,
Speaker 2: foot injuries, like there's just a clear sign that the
Speaker 2: modern NBA game is more taxing on the body than
Speaker 2: it used to be. I think that there's a very
Speaker 2: simple solution, which is to shorten the season. You cut
Speaker 2: it down to sixty six games, play at most three
Speaker 2: times a week. Every team has a guaranteed two day
Speaker 2: off stretch every single week. You space out the games
Speaker 2: in a way that one benefits you financially in the
Speaker 2: form of stars participating more frequently in higher urgency. Because
Speaker 2: if you shrink the season by twenty percent, you increase
Speaker 2: the value of each regular season win by twenty percent.
Speaker 1: Right, that's just a theoretical.
Speaker 2: Just twenty percent increase in urgency every single night, and
Speaker 2: then I think you give the body a chance to
Speaker 2: recover from what is a grueling game. And then I
Speaker 2: would do it in the postseason as well. Like there's
Speaker 2: just so many games, it's so easy to protract it.
Speaker 2: There's no reason at all why you can't play every
Speaker 2: third night in the postseason. Especially if you shorten the season.
Speaker 2: You could start playing in October, play sixty six games,
Speaker 2: never have a back to back, have those that bit
Speaker 2: of time off, and then you could be in a
Speaker 2: situation the postseason where guys aren't being forced to play
Speaker 2: every other night and traveling from city to city. I
Speaker 2: think the NBA has got to have a real honest
Speaker 2: conversation with themselves about whether or not the money is
Speaker 2: worth the wear and tearor of putting on these guys' bodies,
Speaker 2: because I think the modern game is just too much
Speaker 2: for them. All right, guys, that is all we have
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