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Speaker 1: I am today's host of Morning Combat. I join you

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Speaker 1: Brazilians in basically every fight all the way down. The

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Speaker 1: crowd gets out there and they chant ooh vii moohe

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Speaker 1: Now the whole thing. The Brazilian typically wins, everyone cheers

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Speaker 1: and it's a whole thing. Yes, they've done that. This

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Speaker 1: would actually not be new relative to some of those things.

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Speaker 1: And you know they used to go to Canada and

436
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Speaker 1: they're going to go back to Canada, or you know

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Speaker 1: with this Gilbert Burns and Mike Mallott fire, they might

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Speaker 1: do something similar in that way, or when they go

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Speaker 1: to UFC London. I realized in the main event, you've

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Speaker 1: got all Laron's British, so actually you got you know

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Speaker 1: how good his chances of winning is a little bit

442
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Speaker 1: different against you know, av Looiev. But okay, you get

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Speaker 1: the idea, like that's kind of what they do in

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Speaker 1: that sense, it's really not that distinct. But in those

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Speaker 1: cases that I mentioned, those are fight nights, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, those are fight nights, And it's a

447
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Speaker 1: to me what I'm reading out of this situation and

448
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Speaker 1: the way that it looks to me is part of

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Speaker 1: what they're trying to do here, is would they look

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Speaker 1: at the top fifteen of the pound for pound in

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Speaker 1: the union of all the fighters, the top pound for pound,

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Speaker 1: there's one American on there, and it's Max Holloway. Now,

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Speaker 1: John Jones obviously is kind of floating in the ether,

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Speaker 1: and that I mean, we wouldn't rank them pound for pound.

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Speaker 1: He's retired, he's not. You know, it's a little hard

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Speaker 1: to say what all that means, but technically speaking, is

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Speaker 1: just Max. It's just Max. Think about this, logically, what

458
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Speaker 1: would be the best case scenario if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: have Americans in fights that are bouts of consequence that

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Speaker 1: you really care about, that you think are important, but

461
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Speaker 1: they also have a good shot of winning. It's not

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Speaker 1: a lot. It's not a lot.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The flip side to this argument, to be quite honest

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Speaker 1: with you, is that, well, maybe this is exactly what

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Speaker 1: the American market needs, right if what we are positing

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Speaker 1: is that this event is designed to kind of boost

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Speaker 1: the fortunes and kind of boost you know, the enthusiasm,

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Speaker 1: the kind of like we're really trying to inject some

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Speaker 1: spirit into this American MMA space. Then okay, fine, like

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Speaker 1: that can actually be potentially a worthwhile goal. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that that's a necessarily a wrong thing either. But

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Speaker 1: again we goes back to the central conversation. If you're

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Speaker 1: trying to have a card that is designed to boost

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Speaker 1: the fortunes or the spirit within the American MMA market,

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Speaker 1: you by definition are not trying to do the best

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Speaker 1: card that you can. And I would even go so

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Speaker 1: far as to say, I'm not even sure you can

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Speaker 1: do all that great of a card generally. Now that

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Speaker 1: main event, your mileage may vary. You might be really

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Speaker 1: really interested in seeing John Jones against Poeton Poton coming

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Speaker 1: up to heavyweight. Obviously, I don't know if they'll put

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Speaker 1: an interim title on the line. I suspect that they

484
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Speaker 1: probably will, but who knows. We'll have to see. But

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Speaker 1: certainly Poeton going up to heavyweight, I do think that

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Speaker 1: we'll get a fair amount of people excited. But then

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Speaker 1: ask yourself a question, why is John Jones in the

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Speaker 1: main event? The answer is, what other American is available

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Speaker 1: to service that role. What other American in the modern

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Speaker 1: market could you pick today today? That can be somebody

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Speaker 1: who can headline a card like that, that has enough

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Speaker 1: popularity among the casual audience to draw in viewers, that

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Speaker 1: can have someone that they're fighting that you would really

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Speaker 1: care to see them compete against. So I think got

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Speaker 1: a new Your mileage may very on Jones and po

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Speaker 1: what's on, depending on everything, but still it satisfies the

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Speaker 1: conditions I think for most people, and then most importantly

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Speaker 1: have a really good shot at winning. The only other

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Speaker 1: real answer is Max Holloway, who's fighting this weekend. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll talk about this in a second. They might

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Speaker 1: ask him to come make a turnaround, you know, depending

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Speaker 1: on how that fight goes on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But that's it. That's it that you can't really do

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Speaker 1: that in any other scenario. Long Island Luke has this.

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Speaker 1: Bring this up Long Island. What did tell the folks

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Speaker 1: this this graphic that you made here? Well, what is this?

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Speaker 3: So this is the top two Americans in every division,

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Speaker 3: but there is a caveat for some of them, like

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Speaker 3: if the fighter is booked in the next month or two.

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Speaker 3: Obviously they're not going to be announced this weekend for

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Speaker 3: the white House card, and someone like Justin Gaegee at

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Speaker 3: fifty five. He's someone who's not gonna fight anyone but Ilios.

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Speaker 3: So these are all the best American versus American matchups

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Speaker 3: you could make. Brandon Royvall, first of all, has spoken

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Speaker 3: out says he does not want to fight on this card,

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Speaker 3: So if you take him out of it, it would

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Speaker 3: be Tim Elliott versus Alex Perez. Tim Elliott is fighting

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Speaker 3: on the Perth card. We don't know who his opponent

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Speaker 3: is yet. Either way, it'd be Alex Perez versus nobody.

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Speaker 3: If roy Vall falls out of that. The best fight

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Speaker 3: you can make by far out of these is Sean

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Speaker 3: O'Malley versus Corey Sandtagan. I mean that seems like a

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Speaker 3: no brainer. Al Joe verse Steve Garcia. Not a bad fight.

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Speaker 3: Holloway versus Chandler. No one's gonna want to see that,

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Speaker 3: especially if Holloway win. Maybe if Holloway loses, people might

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Speaker 3: want to see that. But either way, like you were saying, Luke,

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Speaker 3: if Halloway wins, you bring back like Nate Diez for

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Speaker 3: the BML. I feel like they're gonna do that seventy

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Speaker 3: you got ballall.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think they're gonna put in night with Connor

532
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Speaker 1: or at least a good chance they put in it.

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Speaker 3: With Carl So Ariel was saying that, and Ariel's obviously

534
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Speaker 3: way more in tune with this shit than I am.

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Speaker 3: But I just feel like it's so you were talking about,

536
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Speaker 3: like putting an American in the main event that can

537
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Speaker 3: win Max Holloway against Na Diaz and it's a fan

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Speaker 3: friendly fight. The casuals are gonna get involved. Oh, Nate

539
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Speaker 3: Diez is fighting and casual. Honestly, Max probably reaches somewhat

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Speaker 3: of a casual audience too, So I feel like that's

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Speaker 3: the most like if you're not gonna put Connor on that,

542
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Speaker 3: but then what do you do with Connor? I guess

543
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Speaker 3: would be the question Connor Michael Chandler on a fucking

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Speaker 3: random pay per view for no belt.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but uh, I mean, if they're gonna

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Speaker 1: put them on International Fight Week, which is also what

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Speaker 1: Ariel said, I mean to me, I get your point.

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Speaker 1: Like I do agree that Max versus Nate on the

549
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Speaker 1: White House. Again, I think it's unlikely just given this schedule,

550
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Speaker 1: but not impossible. It certainly could happen, But it just

551
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Speaker 1: makes more sense to have Connor do that in July

552
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Speaker 1: for International Fight Week, does it not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes more sense. I mean there's you're right

554
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Speaker 3: because Connor just has such slim pickings of opponents. But

555
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Speaker 3: I also like, I don't know, that's my bold prediction, Luke.

556
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Speaker 3: If this was a prediction show, that's my bold prediction

557
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Speaker 3: that they do Max Nate on the White House.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. I just think it bears repeating, or at least

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Speaker 1: I should say it bears real quick.

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Speaker 3: I just want to show the women's divisions as well.

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Speaker 3: We can go ahead. Mackenzie during Tatiana Suarez is book next month,

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Speaker 3: so I left her out. But McKenzie versus Tatiana would

563
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Speaker 3: be one of the best fights you can make, So

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Speaker 3: I Fatima Klein is the next best American there. Blanchfield Barber,

565
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: we should have got it at the Apex that time

566
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Speaker 3: obviously didn't happen. And then I left Kaylee out because

567
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: obviously the next surgery Juliana Pina versus Rocky in a

568
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Speaker 3: rematch that absolutely no one would want to see.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you could do it. Serious question come back

570
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Speaker 1: real quick, do you Okay, Obviously, if Kayla were healthy,

571
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Speaker 1: this would be a no brainer. But now that she's not,

572
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Speaker 1: do they put a women's fight on the on on

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Speaker 1: the White House card.

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Speaker 3: If it's Mackenzie, Yes, because yeah, because she's an I

575
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Speaker 3: know she like associates with Brazil as well, but she's

576
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Speaker 3: an American champion. I would say she is.

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Speaker 1: But she's she's culturally I think she identifies much more

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Speaker 1: with Brazil than the US.

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Speaker 3: No, I think she's like I think she's me man,

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Speaker 3: She's a fifty to fifties I'm a you know, Australian

581
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Speaker 3: American bro. I don't know, but she at least like

582
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Speaker 3: lived in Brazil. You know, I never lived in Australia

583
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Speaker 3: or anything. But yeah. The real thing though, now that

584
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Speaker 3: I'm saying it, is like, who would she fight? Because

585
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 3: like Wayee is the clear, They're not gonna put her

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Speaker 3: against Wayee in the White House.

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Speaker 1: They could just make a squash match. But this is

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Do you want to does my point

589
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: stand to you? It's like I'm not even saying I

590
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: hate the idea of doing an American thing like where

591
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: you're stacking the deck so to speak, because as I

592
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Speaker 1: indicated they've done this for nationalities all over the globe.

593
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Speaker 1: It's not a thing that they've never done before. But

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you're gonna do that for the

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Speaker 1: Americans in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna be a good card.

597
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: It's not. There was some limits on what you're gonna get.

598
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Speaker 3: But dude, like, Okay, we were just showing the top

599
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: you know, everyone in the rankings, the top Americans. But

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Speaker 3: I'd argue, like, Okay, Bo Nicol, I know he fights

601
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Speaker 3: at eighty five, and I know Kobe fights at when seventy,

602
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Speaker 3: and I know Kobe historically doesn't take fights that he

603
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: would deem difficult to him. But that's a fun ass

604
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: fight you could make if Kobe wants to move up

605
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Speaker 3: to eighty five. At the White House, they're both very

606
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: trump guys, Like I could see the UFC definitely putting

607
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Speaker 3: that together. Bo Nicol kolbe I'd watch that. Someone else

608
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: was saying, you put wonder Boy against someone like, oh, yeah,

609
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Speaker 3: he's a fun American. Everyone likes. Like, there's fun fights

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00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: you could make, yeah, rather than the best fights you

611
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Speaker 3: could make.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I think that's right. You can definitely, definitely

613
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Speaker 1: do fun fights, but the fights of significance, or at

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Speaker 1: least with Nay had previously said, which was the best

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Speaker 1: fights available, you can't you just and it's crazy to

616
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Speaker 1: say so. Again. It kind of becomes this self reinforcing

617
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Speaker 1: mechanism where it's like, all right, well, if that's the

618
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: state of American mma, you know, it needs a shot

619
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: in the arm, It needs some kind of a boost.

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00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: I would just caution people about a couple of things.

621
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Speaker 1: I think. One, I don't want to diminish what an opportunity,

622
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: putting aside the political baggage for just a second, just

623
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Speaker 1: in terms of like big audience, big opportunity, you know,

624
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: potentially not so much in the fights themselves, but although

625
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see, but big state. You know, this is

626
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: a historical event for the sport of mixed martial arts

627
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: and certainly for the Ultimate Fighting Championship. In a scenario

628
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: like that, you know, you have to realize, I think,

629
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Speaker 1: how do I say this exactly? You have to kind

630
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: of realize I think something pretty important about it. All

631
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: that won't fix the problem, you know, it's it could

632
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Speaker 1: serve as one among a series of things that the

633
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: UFC does to really address this problem. Right, So they

634
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: have this big white House card. It's a big raw

635
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: raw fest, It's a big you know, Americana fest. You know,

636
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: let's just say that again, who knows what will actually be,

637
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: but let's positive that that's the scenario that can have

638
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Speaker 1: some benefit. I don't want to say that it couldn't.

639
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like that, like, what would

640
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: be the reason why, Like just ask yourself a basic

641
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: question for the viewers out there and the listeners, what

642
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: would be the reason why the American market has declined? Okay,

643
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: part of it is that the rest of the world

644
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Speaker 1: has gotten better. That's certainly true. But you know, I've

645
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: been watching MMA a long time. Brazil has been competitive

646
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: literally since UFC one. I mean, you know, they didn't

647
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: just start getting competitive, and the Japanese used to be

648
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: a lot more competitive in art. Now, Okay, the Russians

649
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: came along, and that's true, but you know, while they

650
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: are obviously very, very good, that's not the full explanation either.

651
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: It's not just that the rest of the world got good.

652
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: We got worse. We got worse, and I think if

653
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: you really want to address the long term reasons why

654
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: we got to a place where ten years ago the

655
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: heavyweight division was kind of stacked. That's a little bit

656
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: overstating it, but it was certainly in a much better place.

657
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: What happened and why did it happen in the last

658
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: ten years that there's been this kind of degradation, I

659
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: think you have to ask yourself that question. The last

660
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: point I would like to make about this particular item

661
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: is that I don't understand why we have to do

662
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: this at all. Right. I realize that they've maybe gone

663
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: down this road already, so there's no walking this back.

664
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm not making a clan that like, oh, we can

665
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: do this differently now, guys, we still have time. I

666
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: don't know that we do. I suspect if we have injuries,

667
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: maybe they'll amend some of this, But I think, you know,

668
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: what's done is kind of baked in at this point.

669
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: But my point is very simple. While I can appreciate

670
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: that they might want to prime the pump on fixing

671
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: what is wrong in the American mma scene, A as

672
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: indicated that this is not going to be enough. You're

673
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: going to need a lot more than this, and I,

674
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think allow those issues are related to

675
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: pay and you know cost benefit analysis that a lot

676
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: of athletes are making. But more to the point, guys,

677
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: cage fighting has nothing to do with the two hundred

678
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: and fiftieth Celebration of the United States. Like you can

679
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: just like, oh, well, it's you know, it's they're just

680
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: declaring it like they're just they're just declined it to

681
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: be that, oh well, this is this is in celebration,

682
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: and it's like not only does like what what would

683
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: what what would actually be the connection between cage fighting

684
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: and the celebration of July fourth? The answer is nothing.

685
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: Now you might also argue, like what about you know,

686
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: what's what's fireworks and grilling, like these are all kind

687
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: of made up traditions to an extent, but they're long

688
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: standing and they're all communal. And so my point is,

689
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: if you want to throw fights on the White House

690
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: lawn four fourth of July, I think it's something of

691
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: a strange choice, but fine, you can do it. But

692
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: then turning this into like an Americana thing, as I mentioned,

693
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: you you kind of handcuff yourself. More to the point,

694
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: like I've seen people being like, oh well they you know,

695
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: you can't you can't have Americans lose in this kind

696
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: of thing, like it would just look bad. You don't

697
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: have to book a card this way, like they not

698
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: only not only is there no connection generally, but the

699
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: tenuous connection that they had where they were putting it

700
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: on the July fourth or you know, the approximate July

701
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: fourth weeknd, whatever the exact dates were, they moved to

702
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: Trump's birthday. Like this is all just made up. It's

703
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: all just made up. And this idea that like, oh,

704
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean Americans losing on the White House lung. I mean,

705
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: I suppose if you had like six Americans and they

706
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: all lost, or you know, if one of them lost

707
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: real badly, I suppose there could be a little bit

708
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: of a bad look. But we talked about this previously,

709
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: if they were gonna put if they were gonna headline

710
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: the White House card, and who knows if they still

711
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: might with Tuporia and Gaechee, I felt like that was

712
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: exactly the right call. You've got an American in there,

713
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: it's for a title unification. You're you know, you're making.

714
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: The better fight would obviously be if Arman was fighting Ilia,

715
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: but it's still one of the better fights, certainly at lightweight.

716
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: You can make one of the one of the more

717
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: important ones you have to make given the circumstances. And

718
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: then now if he wins, which he is likely to,

719
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: you're putting the next guy on a pedestal to go

720
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: to the next thing. Like this idea that it has

721
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: to be intensely American focused, to me, I can understand

722
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: why they want to do it. I don't think it's,

723
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: as I indicated, without historical precedent, certainly, I don't think that.

724
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: But I do believe it's basically phony handcuffs that they're

725
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: putting on themselves that are making the event be something

726
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: that it does.

727
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: Like.

728
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: They have the latitude and the flexibility for this to

729
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of be what they want it to be. And

730
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: I guess if they want to use it for these aims,

731
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: that's cool. I just think if they're going to then

732
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: you've got to understand the limits that are being that

733
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: they're that they are inherently adopting. As a consequence, there's

734
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: only so much you can do with it, all right,

735
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: All right? Topic two, Let's get to the story that

736
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: broke yesterday Long Island. So, in what can only be

737
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: described as an absolute stunning turn of events, I get

738
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: on social media yesterday, and I see that Eddie Hearn

739
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: has signed Tom Aspinall dot dot dot not to fight,

740
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: at least at least not yet, but to be basically

741
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: his agent, to be to be his talent rep of

742
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: all things. That is what he's going to do. Now.

743
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: I have some questions about this, and I have some

744
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: points I'd like to make. Let's post the Aspinall on

745
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: ig back to business. Do we have this one? Yeah?

746
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: So they landed in Monaco yesterday, which I guess is

747
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: a beautiful place I've not been, and you can see

748
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: he's there. So the question you have to ask yourself

749
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: is was this done solely as an act of revenge

750
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: against Dana White and TKO or could this just be

751
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: a thing that Aspinall wants to do to improve his career.

752
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: I was, I don't know about you, Long Island. I

753
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: was kind of blown away by this news. My initial

754
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: reaction to it all was that it felt a little

755
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: like Dana can't really use Connor all that much. Connor

756
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: Ben and Aspinall can't really be used by Eddie all

757
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: that much, but it still has like an extraordinary amount

758
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: in either direction of symbolic value. Was that your initial

759
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: read on this as well.

760
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: For sure. We were on the phone yesterday, like when

761
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: this news broke, like I was thinking. My first thought was,

762
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: why the fuck would you get represented by Eddie Hearn

763
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: if you're a UFC fighter. No disrespect to Eddie Hearn,

764
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 3: he's great at his job, but like he's at odds

765
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: with the promoter. Why would you now hire someone who's

766
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: got like that? To me makes no sense, But from

767
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: Eddie's point of view, obviously it makes a ton of sense.

768
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: And like you said, Luke, yeah, I was straight up

769
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: just to get back for the Connor Ben thing. I

770
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: don't think it's like, I don't know. I don't think

771
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: we're gonna see Tom boxing. You know, in six months

772
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: people are arguing like will we ever see Tom in

773
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: the UFC again? I think this is like I think

774
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: we're reading into it too much. I think it has

775
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 3: nothing to do with that. Maybe he's on a Mattroom card,

776
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: you know, five years from now. I don't think it's

777
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: gonna be anytime soon. But uh, a weird choice in

778
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: my personal opinion, if you're Tom to like you're already

779
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: kind of in a weird relationship with the UFC, and

780
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: now you're gonna be represented by a guy who's clearly

781
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 3: in a bad relationship with them. It's just doesn't seem

782
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: like a smart move. But I don't really know.

783
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: I actually think that this could end up being a

784
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: shrewd thing by Eddie, But in so doing, I don't

785
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: know if it would be best for Tom. So let's

786
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: talk about the x's and o's.

787
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: Here.

788
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: To me, there's two important factors that we all have

789
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: to pay attention to in a deal like this. Number one,

790
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: what is Tom's timeline for a return to the octagon?

791
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: Right?

792
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: What does that look like? And the speed with which

793
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: that can happen I think can dictate a lot of

794
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: how this relationship could go between UFC and Tom. But

795
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: the more important one is not so much his timeline

796
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 1: to get back to the octagon, although quite relevant, it's

797
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: where is Tom in his contract generally? So my point

798
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: is if you're flat in the middle of your contract,

799
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: and if certainly if you're a champion and there's champion

800
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: clauses and you're not going to get out those things

801
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: very easily, you're kind of stuck in that particular sense,

802
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: there's really not much Eddie can do. What I have

803
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: found is the very best managers. And I bring this

804
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: all up all the time. If you see a guy

805
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: who's got a gazillion people on their roster, I mean,

806
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: you can ask those fighters if they feel like their

807
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: interests have been met. But I just don't feel like

808
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: that model serves the fighter best. It's not to say

809
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: there can't be some value at some times, but to me,

810
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: that serves more of the person who's collecting them than

811
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: the person who is collected. The best managers I've ever

812
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: seen in MMA are the ones that basically only have

813
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: one fighter as a client. You know, Holly Holmes, guy

814
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: Lenny Freskez, he used to get sideways with UFC, but

815
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: he was Holly was his only client in MMA. I

816
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: didn't have any other clients. Nate Diaz is guy Zachary

817
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: Rosenfeld's Nate's his only client, you know. And I know

818
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: some other guys, some other champions where they had a

819
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: guy like that was their only client. And again I'm

820
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: not saying that's the only paradigm that works, no pun intended,

821
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: but that it is a the best one I've seen.

822
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: So Eddie would kind of fit that. Like Eddie, it's

823
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: not like he's mean people are saying, Oh, a bunch

824
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: of guys might sign with Eddie, and I suppose they might,

825
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: but right now it's his only guy. And by the way,

826
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: this is kind of funny that, like, you know, you

827
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: can't be a promoter and a manager at the same time,

828
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: but because MMA is so fucking unregulated, you can be

829
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: a manager in MMA and a promoter in boxing at

830
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: the same time and nobody seems to notice or care.

831
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: I find that very funny. Did you watch Time in? Yeah?

832
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: I just looked it up. So Tom's dad did an

833
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: interview before the Gone fight and said Tom has three

834
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: fights left on his contract, so I think it's safe

835
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 3: to assume he has.

836
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Two two left right now, but that are also are

837
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: going to be tolling provisions that might hold him there. However,

838
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: this is the point I wanted to make. Number one.

839
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: Do they suspect that he might be stripped? Do they

840
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: suspect that? Do they suspect that because his timeline may

841
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: not return him as quickly as he wants or whatever

842
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: that you have seen might want, might strip him. Might

843
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: they strip him on top of it because he signed

844
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: with Eddie? I don't think so. That part to me

845
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: seems like fantasy, but it's something to pay attention to.

846
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: But the thing that you really have to understand is

847
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: the real leverage in this business. Yes, a very capable

848
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: guy who is you know, you're his only client. They

849
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: can find ways to finesse from the inside to get

850
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: a little bit more here or there, to get their

851
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: interests protected more nimbly. And I think Eddie might be

852
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: able to do something like that. But the real leverage

853
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: only ever comes when you're at the end of the deal, right,

854
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: either the last fight or you know that the deal

855
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: has expired outright, and now you've got the leverage of Hey,

856
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: I could go like, dude, you know, with what Netflix

857
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: is doing, obviously there's not gonna be time to fight

858
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: Francis on the Gina and Rende card, But if they

859
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: continue to do stuff like this, can you imagine if

860
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: you had the former heavyweight champion somehow, Let's say, somehow

861
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Tom got out of his deal fighting Francis on Netflix,

862
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: and I'd be for the lineal heavyweight championship of the world.

863
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: Like that's not a small thing. I don't know if

864
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: Netflix has interest in that, but you can see why

865
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: Eddie and Tom might at least be kicking the tires

866
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: on that idea silently, if not to the public. But

867
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: I actually think that there's something else more interesting in here,

868
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: because I don't I'm skeptical that Tom is in a

869
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: place where he can actually exercise maximum leverage now or

870
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: really anytime soon. Maybe we'll get there. I suppose we'll see,

871
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: but I don't think we're there yet. To me, the

872
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: real interesting part of this deal is that Eddie has

873
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: been agitating around the discontent UFC fighters might be feeling.

874
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: He has been very, very vocal about this. He's been

875
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: riding this. Does that mean he might now end up

876
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: signing a lot of fighters who feel like, hey, you

877
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: know what, if it's good for Tom, it'll be good

878
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: for me. Could that be a budding part of their business,

879
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: because again, no one cares if there's a conflict of interest.

880
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: You can be a manager at MMA and a promoter

881
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: in boxing and there's absolutely nothing stopping you from doing

882
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: the two. There's no legal provision whatsoever. That could be

883
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: a thing. But to me, the real interesting part is

884
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: kind of related to that, which is now they're going

885
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: to get a window into how these UFC contracts work.

886
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: They're going to get a window into how these UFC

887
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: negotiations work, and they're going to get a window into Yes,

888
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: there might be some princely sums that look good on

889
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: the deal, but you know, is it the kind of

890
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: princely sum you would get in boxing A Probably not

891
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: like an Anthony Joshua right, Probably not. And more to

892
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: the point, it's going to me, I feel like this

893
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: is going to happen. It's going to be ammunition continuously

894
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: for Eddie to go, well, you won't believe what we

895
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: found out in negotiation. There's this provision and they can't

896
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: do that, and they've got him under lock and key

897
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. And then he's going to go

898
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: out to the media and just say this stuff over

899
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: and over and over again. And that could help him

900
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: both in terms of sowing more discontent, that could help

901
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: him in recruiting potentially more fighters to come over from

902
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: MA to sign with him with this budding talent agency.

903
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: Like there's any number of second or third order effects

904
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: from that that could actually serve Eddie's long term interest.

905
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: But that's kind of the point that I'm making. You

906
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: can't argue right now. I mean, the reality is this

907
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: and no one's really talking about this. Tom looked to

908
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: me like he needed somebody to put their arm around him.

909
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like to me. It felt to

910
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: me like and I know people get bitter when I

911
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: say stuff like this, but you can think that Tom

912
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: was the victim in every way possible, of the ipoke,

913
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: of the fan response, of the UFC seemingly not being

914
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: there for him. And again that depends on your perspective.

915
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: But let's just posit it for the sake of argument.

916
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: Like you can posit all those things and you can

917
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: say this guy was victimized. You can say that, but

918
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: you have to realize that in the court of public opinion,

919
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: the actions that you take, even in a very unfair system,

920
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: these dictate how you're going to be reviewed. And to me,

921
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: in that process, he didn't necessarily do himself a lot

922
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: of favors, and he exacerbated the existing conflicts and the

923
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: distance between himself and these other entities, both the fan

924
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: base as well as the promoter and the UFC. In

925
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: this case, he needed somebody to come out and say

926
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: I got you, Let me help you. And Eddie, who

927
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: has done really well for himself, who is to me

928
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: a very capable promoter. I mean you can say, you know,

929
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, all promoters are kind of dirtbags, and we

930
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: kind of all know that. But Eddie is not a

931
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: bad promoter. He's a good promoter. I think Tom feels

932
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: a sense of relief. Tom feels a sense of like, man,

933
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: somebody somebody sees me, somebody wants to do something right

934
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: for me. And I got somebody who they know from

935
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: the UK market has done some pretty big things. And

936
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: I think I think Eddie is jumping in to fill

937
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: that gap, to put his arm around Tom and say

938
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna put the full force

939
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: of our abilities behind you to get things right in

940
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: your life. And I just don't think we can lose

941
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: sight of that. And whether or not you think Eddie

942
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: is the right guy for that, that's a separate question.

943
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: But Tom was looking for that and Eddie saw a

944
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: glorious opportunity. I don't know who initiated contact with the

945
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: other party, but you know, you can see why the

946
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Eddie thing fits. The point I'm trying to make, though,

947
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: is not necessarily that although right now, as we indicated,

948
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: Tom is the only guy that Eddie has on his

949
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: MMA talent roster. The point is, if Eddie is using

950
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: this as some kind of agitation mechanism to get to

951
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: the UFC, is that in Tom's best interest? Right? I

952
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: mean I I long Alan. I spoke to a couple

953
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: of managers when this news broke and they had different feelings.

954
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: They did not, I mean they weren't. They were not

955
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: talking to each other, but they were talking to me,

956
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: and one of them was like, this is a bad

957
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: this is a bad move to the point you raised, like,

958
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 1: you know, the guy's already in a complicated situation with UFC.

959
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: This is only going to exacerbate it. But the other

960
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: one was like, no, this is shrewd. This is going

961
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: to put pressure on UFC. This is going to put

962
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: pressure on them because now Eddie's going to get a

963
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: look behind the curtain in ways that he didn't before,

964
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: and they're going to have to not necessarily given to

965
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: all their demands. But you know, there's somebody watching them

966
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: like a hawk that they can't get rid of. And

967
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: it's not an insignificant figure. It's their heavyweight champion. So

968
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: there at least is a split there. But but you

969
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: can see that is that would you agree is their

970
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: capacity for this deal to turn into an agitation mechanism

971
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: for Eddie in ways that don't service Tom aspinall. Yeah.

972
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: I mean, on one hand, it's like, dude, UFC is

973
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: already at odds with their heavyweight champion when we had

974
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: the hole in Ganu debacle. The difference was the UFC

975
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: was trying to hold on to Francis and throwing everything

976
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 3: at him, and Francis was just holding out for that sake.

977
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: If you're Tom right now, and let's just say maybe

978
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: maybe Tom's dream is boxing. That same article that I

979
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: built up to find out how many fights he has

980
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: left on his contract was his dad saying he doesn't

981
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: want him to re sign with the UFC because he

982
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: wants him to box eventually. So are we going to

983
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: get into a world now where Tom, I don't want

984
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: to say, milk's this eye thing, but maybe uses it

985
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 3: to his advantage to milk out his contract for another

986
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: year or two. Like, at what point do those fights

987
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: become no and void? Luke? I know in the Francis situation,

988
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: he had one fight left. It's a little different. You know,

989
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: Connor's had two fights left for five fucking years now,

990
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: So at what point do those fights just go away?

991
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, so if it depends, So let's talk

992
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: about it. Let's say you've got two fights. I'm Hunter Campbell,

993
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: your your big Tom, and I come to you and

994
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: I say, Tom, I want you to fight Marching Taibora

995
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: for five dollars and you're like, well no, and I decline.

996
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: If you decline, it adds time to your contract.

997
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. But okay, So how did Francis avoid that he

998
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: had an injury?

999
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: No, Francis and Nate had the exact same mechanism that

1000
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: it has not been fully removed from contracts but has

1001
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 1: been largely removed, which is that they had a sunset clause.

1002
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: They had a clause in their contract that said, basically,

1003
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: under certain conditions, this expires after five years, and they

1004
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: waited for that and then got out.

1005
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: But what are those certain conditions? If you offer me

1006
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: a fight, don't those conditions now go away?

1007
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: Or I have to review the specifics of it. But

1008
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: that's what they used to get out, and the UFC

1009
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: kind of closed that loop so that that sunset provision,

1010
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: the five year sunset provision doesn't Again, I don't think

1011
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: they completely took it out, but I think they rejiggered

1012
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: it in a way that makes it hard to take

1013
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: advantage of it in the same kind of sense.

1014
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: All right, because like I'm thinking about how Tom's still

1015
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: like maybe he's in his thirties, but he's still young thirties.

1016
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: I think he's like thirty or thirty one at most.

1017
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, dude, he's got a solid if he wants

1018
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: ten years worth of combat sports in totally so like

1019
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: he could just get these two fights over with and

1020
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: go box. But I kind of like I'm I'm now

1021
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 3: leaning towards Tom Aspital might not be fighting MMA for

1022
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: longer than three years, you know what I mean, He

1023
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 3: might move on quick.

1024
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, And I've never really

1025
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: thought about this, and it may just be. Honestly, the

1026
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: answer is probably coincidence, but it's all my minds. Let

1027
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: me ask you. They got sideways with Francis, They've gotten

1028
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: semi sideways with Tom. And I realized that John's going

1029
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: to come back around here at this point and maybe

1030
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: get a big thing, But they got sideways with him too.

1031
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: Now again, like John plays a role there, and you

1032
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: know in ways that is unique too. You find it

1033
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: weird that USC keeps getting sideways with their biggest heavyweight attractions.

1034
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: Well, I think you just kind of said it in

1035
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: the answer there. They're heavyweights, and I feel like that's

1036
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: like as much as the talent is null and void nowadays,

1037
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: heavyweight is still like the division. Like to a casual fit.

1038
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: If I say to my dad, oh, there's two bantam

1039
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: weights fighting tonight, He'll be like, what weight class is that?

1040
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 3: If I say there's two heavyweights, he knows exactly. I

1041
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 3: don't even know how much they weigh. They're they're big,

1042
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: two big fucking guys, you know. Like, I feel like

1043
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: the heavyweights in the UFC know they're worth and they're like, wait,

1044
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: I see what Deontay Wilder's making, I see what Tyson

1045
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 3: Fury is making. What I can do that shit too.

1046
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: And that's why they all then decide to go box

1047
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: and do all this and get sideways with the UFC

1048
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: because they realize they're worth. I don't think Pantosia No

1049
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: Disrespect is gonna be able to be like, I see

1050
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: what these boxers are making, I'm gonna go by like, no, Pantosia,

1051
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 3: you're you're a flyweight. Sorry, I don't know. It doesn't

1052
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 3: translate as much. I feel like, like the big guys

1053
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: just want to go box.

1054
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: It's just a strange time, and it's unfortunate for the

1055
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: heavyweight division because this is supposed to be, if not

1056
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: the marquee one something kind of like, it's just it

1057
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: really sucks. And I've said this before that we live

1058
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: at a time where okay, now things are slowing down,

1059
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: But the last three four years the boxing heavyweight division

1060
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: has been kind kind of electric. It's maybe that's overstating

1061
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it's been pretty good. You know,

1062
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: obviously with Ustik doing what he's doing, and but Aj

1063
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: has had some big wins and Duboi and then of

1064
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: course there's Tyson Fury and you can go on down

1065
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: the list, you know. At the same time, it's like

1066
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: the UFC's MMA's heavyweight division just kind of feels lifeless.

1067
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: It's like, and then to those existing issues to be

1068
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: exacerbated because the promoter is getting sideways with him for

1069
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: one reason or another. And you can blame both parties

1070
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: if you want, but there's whatever, whoever you want to blame,

1071
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: the result is the same, right, they're just getting sideways

1072
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: with them. It's just it's just really, I just wish

1073
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: it was different, but this is the place we live,

1074
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: all right. So on let's talk about topic number three.

1075
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: On Monday show, we kind of already did a full

1076
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: bit of a breakdown for UFC three twenty six, and

1077
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: we got a lot of positive feedback on that show.

1078
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: So I just want to take a moment to say

1079
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: thank you everybody who watched and who had a nice

1080
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: thing to say. We also had a good time, you know,

1081
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: making that having having some fun, having some bros around, right,

1082
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: having some bruise, although in this case, you know, it

1083
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: was a lot of different drinks, but it was great.

1084
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. And so I don't want to

1085
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: rehash everything that we did from Monday, but I did

1086
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: want to take a moment because I feel like sometimes

1087
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: we do miss out on this when we I mean,

1088
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: there's limits to every kind of format that we do,

1089
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: which is namely, I like to get a little bit

1090
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 1: more into the x's and o's. I like the x's

1091
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: and o's. You know, let's talk a little bout x's

1092
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: and o's for UFC through twenty six is main event.

1093
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: What I'm going to do here is if I'm going

1094
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: to ask a question to the audience out there, and

1095
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: you guys can fill it in the chat. Namely, what

1096
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: is the most important set of factors for winning conditions

1097
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: for either guy? What has to happen for Charles, what

1098
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: has to happen for Max in order for them to

1099
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: have their best chance at victory? That is the essential

1100
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: question that I am at asking right now. Before I

1101
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: get to that, I do want to show this graphic

1102
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: if we can, just to kind of reiterate how fun

1103
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: this matchup is. Look at this thirteen post fight bonuses

1104
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: for Max Holloway and then, of course we all know

1105
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: the story. Charles is the king of this with twenty

1106
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: one post five bonuses. But when you put them together right,

1107
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: so now we've got thirty four total post fight bonuses

1108
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: between them. That is the most combined bonuses in a

1109
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: single matchup in the entirety of the UFC, not just now. Ever,

1110
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: that is crazy. We talked on Monday about what the

1111
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: value of the BMF belt is. That that shit. Two

1112
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: guys who are still from what we can tell, viable contenders,

1113
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: two guys who are fucking legends in the game, and

1114
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: two guys who have these incredible accolades, not merely for

1115
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: the peaks that they've hit, and they've hit peaks, but

1116
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: for the consistent demonstration of action and and excellence. That's

1117
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: kind of what the BMF is to me in the

1118
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: best case that it can be. Now again, whether that

1119
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: will be in every iteration that we see it, I

1120
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: don't know, but I just want to take a moment

1121
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: to say that like that to me represents like such

1122
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: that the BMF belt has value. It's got value because

1123
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: it's putting guys like this together. Okay, but now let's

1124
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: talk individually about them x'es and o's. I want to

1125
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: start with Max. I'm gonna give you, in either case

1126
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: what I consider to be three of the X factors,

1127
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: three of the most important kind of fighting conditions that

1128
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: have to be established for them to win. Let's take

1129
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: a look at my Max Holloway graphic if we can hear,

1130
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: these are the three twenty six X factors for Max.

1131
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read them and then we're going to go

1132
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: through them. Number one, no jab now. Number two avoid

1133
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: ground and pound scenarios if he pulls guard, and number

1134
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: three stay away from the fence. People have asked me,

1135
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, should Max look for the takedown and blah

1136
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: blah blah, and I just don't think he should do

1137
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: that at all. Max doesn't win like that. That's not

1138
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: to say Max couldn't win like that, but he doesn't.

1139
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: And he does it for a reason because that is

1140
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: not his best skill set. And it might be good,

1141
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: but it's not his best. It's not where he's most comfortable,

1142
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: and where he's most comfortable is where he'll make the

1143
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: fewest amount of errors and certainly execute on the best

1144
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: of his existing skill set. It is just not a

1145
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: good idea. Everything to me, and of course footwork is

1146
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: a part of this. Everything to me with Max Holloway

1147
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: has to be a function of the job. If you

1148
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: are not putting that job in the face of Charles,

1149
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna have to mix it up a

1150
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: little bit to the chest and to the body as well.

1151
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if he can win straight up, I

1152
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: don't know if he can win. I don't know if

1153
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: he can win without his jab pumping. It is key

1154
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: to everything. It's key to his second order offense. It's

1155
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: key to his ability to circle, it's key to his

1156
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: ability to prevent blitzing. It's his key to manage the range.

1157
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: It's his key to potentially even escaping depending on what

1158
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: kind of response Charles gives him. No job, no W.

1159
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: I absolutely am convinced. If you see tomorrow that Max

1160
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: has a problem getting his jab going, he might be

1161
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: in deep deep shit. Put it back on for just

1162
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: one more time. I want to make sure I got

1163
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: the order of this right. Yeah, Okay, scenario number two,

1164
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: or I should say point number two, avoid ground and

1165
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: pound scenarios if he pulls guard, Charles doesn't actually submit

1166
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: necessarily to In present mma, Charles doesn't necessarily submit a

1167
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: lot of people from his guard. Like even Michael Chandler

1168
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: didn't get submitted from the guard when he went into

1169
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: it with Charles. It just doesn't work that way. And

1170
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: even Kevin Lee, you know, I don't think he got

1171
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he got armboard I cannot remember, or maybe

1172
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: he got pounded out. But like in general, it's just

1173
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: not a thing that he does. He can threaten from there,

1174
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: he can do daily heva, daily heva X, set up triangles,

1175
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: set up arm bars, he can invert underneath, he can

1176
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: do he can do a lot from there, but he's

1177
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily gonna get into fight ending scenarios. But number one,

1178
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: it's an ever present threat. Number two ground and pound. Like,

1179
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: if I had to ask you what's your favorite ground

1180
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: and pound performance from Max Holloway, you couldn't tell me,

1181
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: not really. I mean, he might have some that are

1182
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: better than others, but it's like your favorite version of that,

1183
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. You are killing time

1184
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: underneath while he is going to be going to deep

1185
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: half daily, Heva X triangles, you name it. You're killing

1186
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: time in a scenario that he Even if he can't

1187
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: get that fight to a fight ending scenario or sequence,

1188
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: what he can do is he can tie you up.

1189
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 1: He can kill the clock. He can threaten subs, even

1190
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: if they don't get super close, if you have to

1191
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: kind of get out of them. You may not have

1192
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: the best ground and pound, And now the judges can

1193
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: be like, well, what was better the moderate ground and

1194
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: pound or the you know, the the slightly better and

1195
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: more threatening submission attempts. It's not a path to victory.

1196
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: Max has built his game on avoidance, and I want

1197
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: to put an asterisk by that. I don't mean that

1198
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: he avoids the fight. No, he avoids scenarios of a

1199
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: fight that don't fit into his more central wheelhouse, and

1200
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: everyone does it to an extent, but he's very disciplined

1201
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: about it. Charles has good wrestling. He may not have

1202
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: to worry about this. But if he pulls guard Max

1203
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: getting on top and saying, you know what, I'm just

1204
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: gonna fight here, No, you're gonna you might have to

1205
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: do a little bit of ground and pound to open

1206
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: up and set up the pass but or set up

1207
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: the escape, but you cannot spend significant time if he

1208
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: pulls guard. If you end up on top Turtle, I

1209
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: think would be okay, you know, but even then disengaging

1210
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: getting back to the jab and you name it. And

1211
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: then third, as you saw on the list, this is

1212
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: very simple. You have to stay away from the fence.

1213
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: I didn't put on the list. I'm gonna say honorable

1214
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: mention you or you need to do. He needs to be

1215
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: very very careful about back exposure. One thing that I

1216
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: think Charles can do is get underneath the punches, get

1217
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: to a tight waist and then rotate underneath and get

1218
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, beat the whizzard and now he's you know,

1219
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: you got back exposure. So that's kind of be an

1220
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: honorable mention. One But one of the ways in which

1221
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: that's going to be exacerbated too is if Max is

1222
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: up against the fence. Right, If he's up against the fence,

1223
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: then some of these other grappling scenarios that back exposure

1224
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: built into them are going to be even even the

1225
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: danger is even more pronounced. This is where the jab

1226
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: comes into play for Max. This is where the footwork

1227
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: comes into play with Max. This is where evasion comes

1228
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: into play with Max. And this is where the the

1229
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, understanding of the real estate is going to

1230
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: save himself here up against the fence. Remember, it's not

1231
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: just that Charles has a lot of different striking attacks

1232
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: he can do, or that he can use wrestling sequences

1233
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: to get to the back he can wrestle even without

1234
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: that stuff like it just makes big parts of Charles's

1235
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: grappling come to life in ways that in open space

1236
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: are not necessarily there. He is much more likely to

1237
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: look for back exposure scenarios up against the fence than

1238
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: he is in the middle of the octagon. He is

1239
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: much more likely to pull guard in the middle of

1240
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: the octagon. And again there's danger scenarios in either case.

1241
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: But if it's me and you have to face Charles

1242
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: from his guard, or you have to face not even face,

1243
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 1: but you have to deal with Charles on your back.

1244
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm taking the guard ten times out of ten, ten

1245
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: times out of ten. These are three keys I want

1246
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: you to pay attention to for Max Holloway tomorrow. Now

1247
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: let's get to the Charles side of the equation. Let's

1248
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: take a look at this here, three twenty six X

1249
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: factors for Charles Lavera threatened the back, not guard. That's

1250
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: not to say you won't do either, but I think

1251
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: that's big two. Don't let Holloway circle and three kicks,

1252
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: but especially leg kicks. Now let's talk about this. Charles

1253
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: can pull guard. He can do it, and as I mentioned,

1254
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: one of the scenarios he can do isn't. I don't

1255
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,959
Speaker 1: find the idea of him submitting Max from guard super likely.

1256
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: But he can tie him up, and he can kill

1257
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: the clock, and he can at least threaten it in

1258
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: certain ways to potentially win around if it's close. In particular,

1259
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: he can do those things, but I don't think that's

1260
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: necessarily his best choice either. His best choice is going

1261
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: to be back exposure, back exposure, and this is where

1262
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: that fence comes into play for Max if you we've

1263
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: just really never seen Max have to deal with someone

1264
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: in the modern context who can threaten and attack from

1265
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: the back in the ways that Charles can. I remember,

1266
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: and look, look, I mean, look, he got to justin

1267
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: Gaitchie's back, he got to Poorier's back. I mean, I

1268
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: mean you can. I mean, the list is endless of

1269
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: how many guys whose backs he's attacked. And I'm not

1270
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: also saying that Max can't win that even if that happens.

1271
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: He got to Taylor's back to I'm saying that that

1272
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: represents the biggest submission threat for me. Charles creating back exposure,

1273
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: obtaining the back and then threatening from there. That is

1274
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: going to be, to me, one of the most dangerous

1275
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: spots for him, for sure, no question about it. And

1276
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Speaker 1: of course that's going to be predicated on some of

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Speaker 1: the wrestling. It's going to be predicated on location or

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01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: I should say proximity to the fence. Those are going

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01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: to be active ingredients as well. But for sure, back exposure.

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01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: Go back to the list here, it's kind of working

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01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: off memory. Don't let Holloway circle. This is a huge one.

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01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: You are going to have to constrain Holloway's movement. Holloway

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: is good, very good disciplined footwork behind the jab. I

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01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: think that ola Vera has to be careful with that,

1285
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: but I think he's going to have to crash into

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01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: Max a little bit and not give Max huge room

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01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: to escape, because it's gonna make using some of those

1288
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: combinations as well as setting up some of the wrestling

1289
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: sequences that have a higher percentage for Charles. If you

1290
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: let him circle, so much of that goes away. If

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Speaker 1: you let him circle, so many of those high percentage

1292
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: scenarios that Charles likes to attack, they disappear or to

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01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: baarre min own, they become low threshold scenarios. You don't

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: want that. You don't want that in any capacity. How

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01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: do you do that? Well? That gets us to number

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Speaker 1: three on this list, which is the kicking generally, but

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Speaker 1: especially leg kicks. Now, Max has durability. Max has faced

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Speaker 1: leg kickers who've torn him to pieces, and he still

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01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: kind of moved through it a little bit. And in fact,

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01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: Max is so clever that against leg kickers like Jose Aldo,

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01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: for example, he would circle in a way to either

1302
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: impact them or take them away either with the checking

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01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: or the MOVI been out of the way to kind

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01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: of like force them to turn all the time so

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01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: they couldn't end up doing that. That's gonna be why,

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01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: as I indicated, you're gonna have to prevent Max from circling,

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to kind of corral him because

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01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: it takes away that component. But that's not gonna be

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01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: enough either. You are gonna have to put things in

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01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: his way as he tries to circle, and if you

1311
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: really want to take away that jab, you need to

1312
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: devastate his leg kicking boxing for boxing Long Island, Charles

1313
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: cannot beat Max boxing for boxing, especially if durability becomes

1314
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: something of a dividing line between them. But Max is

1315
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: boxing versus Charles's kickboxing. Now, you might still pick Max's boxing,

1316
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: but that's a fair fight to me. That's a more

1317
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: even fight. You need to take away Max's wheels, and

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01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: as he circles one way or the other, you need

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01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: to greet him with weapons that a make him holster

1320
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: what he's doing, as well as think twice about circling

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01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: into that direction. Give me some feedback. What did I miss?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you, Luke, You broke it down way better

1323
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 3: than I ever could you didn't miss much. I mean

1324
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 3: the dumbt in it down for everyone is essentially Max

1325
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 3: needs to avoid the ground. Max needs to avoid getting

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01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 3: his back taken, and Charles needs to do those two things.

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01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 3: He needs to try and get the back and he

1328
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 3: needs to try and get the fight to the ground.

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01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 3: I mean it's as simple as that. But yeah, you

1330
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 3: broke again. You broke it down way better than I

1331
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 3: could do. That's that is.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it if you're looking to see

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01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: what really matters in this contest. And this is why

1334
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: I kind of love this fight. The thing that I

1335
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: don't like about this fight is durability ends up being

1336
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: one of these things that I could just be much

1337
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: more determinative of a factor than I wish it would be.

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01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: You know, durability wasn't really a factor in the I

1339
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: know there was a vicious knockout at the end, but

1340
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: it really wasn't a factor in the you know, the

1341
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: the Max Holloway and Gaetchee fight. I mean, yes, he

1342
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: had his nose broken in the first, but he kind

1343
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: of persevered and you know, pushed on anyway. And I

1344
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: know he got viciously ko, but no one's going to

1345
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: really argue that like Justin, like Justin's lack of durability

1346
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: is what really cost him in that fight. Not not really. No, However,

1347
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: I do feel like it could play a role with Charles,

1348
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: and I think that could derail it. But at the

1349
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: same time, maybe Charles comes out like a bat out

1350
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: of hell, gets to the back and he's creating back exposure,

1351
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: no problems, and you're like, oh, that's right. I've just

1352
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: never seen Max in one of these scenarios before, not

1353
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: against a guy this good. And there we have it.

1354
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: So fun ass main event. I am looking forward to

1355
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: it as a reminder, watch along and postfight show on

1356
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash lou Thomas give me an update

1357
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,919
Speaker 1: before we go to topic number four here, Long Island.

1358
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: Where are we on weigh in? What's the update?

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01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 3: So they're going on the bottom of your screen right now?

1360
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 3: Still wait, main fights were waiting on Charles, still waiting

1361
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 3: on Kyo, still waiting on rob font Still otherwise the

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01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 3: main card is set. Besides those guys. The main event

1363
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: weighed in Max weight in, not Charles. Okay, and same

1364
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 3: with RDR. Looked great. RDR was wearing sunglasses, he was

1365
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 3: strutting up there. He was laughing, he was smiling, he

1366
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 3: looked like he had a great cut. No one that

1367
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 3: noticeable so far as far. Bruno Fajita came in a

1368
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: pound under the eighty five limit. I thought that was

1369
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 3: kind of interesting because he's a pretty big dude. But yeah,

1370
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 3: no one looked like bad on the scales.

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01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Topic number four. Did you guys see

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01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: UFC President Dana White talking to Cameron Cameron the Rapper

1373
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: by the way, Cameron's Purple Hayes album. I mean, you know,

1374
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: some might be more of a horse and carriage kind

1375
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: of guy. I'm a I'm a Purple Hayes kind of guy.

1376
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: Although there's plenty of you know, favorite Cameron songs that

1377
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: I have. Triple Up is one of my favorite songs ever.

1378
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: That is that one is burned into my memory. But

1379
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: neither here nor there he does it is what it

1380
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: is with Mace, and I think he's got Talk with

1381
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: Flee is Talk with Flea Long Island like a separate

1382
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: Cameron only podcast.

1383
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 3: Dude. I thought this was the Mace podcast when I

1384
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 3: saw the interview, and then I saw it was a

1385
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: whole different thing. I have no idea.

1386
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't know either it's another one of these like

1387
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,440
Speaker 1: rappers or you know, celebrities turning into podcasters interviewing other celebrities,

1388
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, which they can be great, but it's just

1389
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: another one of those things, all right. So he had

1390
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: on UC President Dana White to discuss several boxing topics,

1391
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 1: and during the course of that, White becomes visibly agitated

1392
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: at Cameron when he asked him about the Ali Act

1393
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: and why he wanted to change it. I have a

1394
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: question about it. But before we go any further, take

1395
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: a look at the clip somebody hit the press conference.

1396
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: I mentioned something about the Muhammad ali Act.

1397
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 6: There's a difference between do you want to have a

1398
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 6: serious conversation about the Mhammad ali Ak or do you

1399
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 6: want to showboat here in front of everybody. Because what

1400
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 6: that guy could have done was LINEE is the head

1401
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 6: of pr here because said I'd like to sit down

1402
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 6: and have a serious conversation about the Muhammad ali Ak.

1403
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 6: Now he gets up on the bike and you know,

1404
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 6: those are the typical kind of douchebags that you know

1405
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 6: you deal with in the media sometimes amending we're not

1406
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 6: changing what let me tell you, let me let me

1407
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 6: tell you what you don't want to fill. Let me

1408
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 6: tell you what you don't want to kill something that

1409
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 6: has Muhammad Ali's name on it. And so what we

1410
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 6: did is the Ali Act will exist, every fucking word,

1411
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 6: exactly the way it is right now. But we're expanding it.

1412
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 6: We're expanding it so it's not going away. We're not

1413
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 6: trying to kill the Muhammad Ali Act or change a

1414
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 6: letter or period in their comma or anything. These guys

1415
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 6: that are going out, Eddie Hearn, who lives in an

1416
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 6: Uk anyway and doesn't live under the Finale Act unless

1417
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 6: he than America or dealing with American fighters de la

1418
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 6: Hoy is mentally ill, so even mentioning him stupid. But

1419
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 6: and the list goes on and on. The guys that

1420
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 6: are yelling the loudest about it are part of the problem.

1421
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 6: Me coming in is a threat to everything that they have,

1422
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 6: and you know their way of life, that's how they

1423
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 6: look at.

1424
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 3: Let me let me tell you about the Muhammad Ali Act.

1425
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 3: Let me let me tell you about it. Why is

1426
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,879
Speaker 3: he so he's jumping out of his fucking chair.

1427
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: For when was the last I'm being dead serious, when

1428
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: was the last time you saw Dana White get that

1429
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: emotionally invested in any MMA related topic.

1430
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: Oh see, you said MMA related. I was going to

1431
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 3: say when he announced the Power Slap main event, you know,

1432
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 3: two weeks ago, or whatever, when Big Tuna took on

1433
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 3: a little sausage or.

1434
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, all right. So the question is like,

1435
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: what do White's answers say about his efforts in the

1436
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: larger cause of taking over boxing. I have a few

1437
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on this that I really wanted to share. The

1438
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: first thing is it will never not blow my mind

1439
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: that Dana White is accusing this is he's talking about

1440
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: shawnza Tel who we had on the show I think

1441
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. He is basically arguing that

1442
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: shawns Tel, by getting up at a press conference, was

1443
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: show voting by asking about something that he has no

1444
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 1: other capacity to ask Dana White about. Because I know

1445
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: what Dana White said after that, He's like, you could

1446
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: have just gone to Renee Line Breckenridge, who was the

1447
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: head of PR A very nice person, very nice lady,

1448
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: very smart, capable lady. But the idea that you can

1449
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: just waltz up to Lenae, who by the way, has

1450
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: also very very busy herself, Like, you know, it's not

1451
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: like she's just hanging out in rooms all the time

1452
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: where you can be like, oh, nay, I want to

1453
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: talk to Danny. Can you set it up. That's not

1454
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: how the shit works ever. I mean, if you're a

1455
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: huge media outlet, maybe it works that way. But even

1456
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: then it doesn't work that way, right, So first of all,

1457
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: I just won't point that out, but the idea that

1458
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: you can just go up to her and be like, oh,

1459
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: I'm just going to get an opportunity to do this.

1460
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: My understanding is Sean did try to do that, and

1461
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: they didn't want to give him Dana. They wanted to

1462
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: give him Laurence Epstein, who is you know, I think

1463
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: what's COO maybe of UFC or ZOOFA. I'm not sure

1464
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: what exactly the title is anymore. He's a very very

1465
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: bright guy. He was one of the ones that made

1466
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: the congressional testimony in DC in favor of the Muhammad

1467
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: Ali Act. Like they want to give him that, and

1468
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: even that apparently fizzled out. Like so first of all,

1469
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: they're not even telling the truth about what is actually

1470
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: your option here, Like, oh, if you really want to

1471
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: have a serious conversation. We can set that up. No,

1472
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: you actually can't. You actually can't. They won't do that

1473
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: for you. There'll be some outlets they might do that for,

1474
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: but like, how is sean to tell supposed to know that?

1475
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: And again they tried and that also fizzled out too.

1476
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: It is very very interesting to me that Dana White

1477
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: will have a very impassioned conversation about the aliac to

1478
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: Cameron Cameron Giles. I like Cameron Giles very much, But

1479
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: he'll do it to Cameron and then he won't do

1480
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: it for media outlets. What does that tell you? What

1481
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 1: does that tell you about his literacy on the topic

1482
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: more generally, In fact, he has asked in this clip,

1483
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to show it, but like

1484
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, Cameron basical asks him, like what does the

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Speaker 1: aliac do? And his answer was, well, it does a

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,919
Speaker 1: lot of complicated things. But then he kind of pivots

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01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: to a second part of the question, like he doesn't

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01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: even articulate some of the things that it does. Moreover,

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: I want you to notice of some of the tricks

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01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: that you heard him say there, Namely he's like, you

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01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: know what, you don't want to go against something that's

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01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: got Muhammad Ali's name on it. Yeah, you actually do,

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: because it's being cravingly used by by tko By. You

1494
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: could even argue the widow of the Ali estate or

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: or I'm not sure if she's the head of the estate,

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01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: but you know his last wife, Lorraine, she has given

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01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: them blessing to kind of use this name in this

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: particular way. You can absolutely ask questions about whether or

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01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: not that is an appropriate thing to do for a

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01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: guy who gave up part of his athletic prime so

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01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't go have to fight an imperialist war

1502
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: essentially for the United States in Vietnam. That guy wants

1503
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: to undercut protections for boxers. This idea that any of

1504
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 1: us met them, the ex wife or the widow whatever,

1505
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the proper designation is, but in

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01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: any case, that any of them have the capacity to

1507
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: speak for a guy who gave his right and his

1508
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: life or he didn't give his life for those causes,

1509
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: but you know, contribute to those causes during the course

1510
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: of his life in a very very unambiguous way. That

1511
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: seems to me like a very craven use of the name.

1512
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: If I can be quite honest related to Muhammad Ali.

1513
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: But I just really really want to point out something

1514
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: here about all of this, which is namely that they

1515
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: can't ever really defend any of this on the merits,

1516
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: never a conversation, an honest conversation about the merits, which is,

1517
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: isn't this just a way like they keep saying, we're

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01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: not going to change the Ali Act? Well, if you're

1519
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: not changing the Ali Act, why was I a two

1520
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: different congressional hearings for the House Education and Workforce Committee

1521
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: look to me like there was a lot of changes

1522
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: being proposed. And the reality, of course is it's a dude,

1523
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: how many different ways have you heard framing around this?

1524
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: And Orwellian doubbles speak around this that like at this

1525
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: point is an obvious red flag. Oh you don't want

1526
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: to go against something with Muhammad Ali's name on it. Oh, right,

1527
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 1: So that's why you put that on there, to tampen

1528
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: down negativity around it by using his name to drum

1529
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: up enthusiasm, because obviously Muhammad Ali is going to be

1530
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: revered within you know, not just combat sports circles, but

1531
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: beyond that that. But that's not like no one is

1532
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: speaking for him that we're just using his right. I mean, like,

1533
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 1: what is that? And more to the point, as I mentioned,

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01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: when they're asked to articulate what it does and why

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01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: they want to change it, they deny that they're changing

1536
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: it at all. Listen, we're going to leave it in place, guys,

1537
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 1: Which is it? Because I was there at those congressional

1538
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: hearings and I heard them say this. The state of

1539
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: boxing is in disrepair, which I don't necessarily disagree with,

1540
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: and the reason for that is because of the way

1541
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: it is currently structured. And so what we want to

1542
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: do is leave that structure in place for these donks,

1543
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: and what we want are exemptions to all of these

1544
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: things by creating special architecture within the law itself. That's

1545
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: not changing the ALI Act. No, that's not changing the

1546
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: ALI Act for them, But that's definitely changing the ALI

1547
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: Act for you, no question about it. It just I

1548
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: want everyone to understand Sean's to tell at a press conference,

1549
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: a press conference, a conference for the press, asked a

1550
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: question that is as reasonable as can possibly be, and

1551
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: it was so much of an affront to Dana that

1552
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: he's now calling him a douchebag. To Cameron. Cameron in

1553
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: another interview, while being unable to articulate what the aliac

1554
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: does and then denying that it's changing. They're so used

1555
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,799
Speaker 1: to being in this like podcast bubble, where as I mentioned,

1556
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 1: like celebrities from whatever walk of life then becoming podcasts

1557
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: and about becoming podcasters and interviewing other celebrities. This is

1558
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: such a cocoon that they have wrapped themselves in that

1559
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: they now can't answer basic questions about what it does.

1560
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: And then you know the people who can do it,

1561
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: like Nick con Nick. CON's a really, really bright guy

1562
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: who I'm sure could do it, but he goes on

1563
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee's show and there are no questions that are

1564
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: ever asked because that's not what Pat McAfee does. Pat

1565
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: McAfee's whole job is to magnify the most powerful people

1566
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: in sports, and so you just never get an honest

1567
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: answer about any of these things. You never get them

1568
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: just leveling with the public. Look, we want to do

1569
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: this for these reasons. This gives us. This is boutique legislation,

1570
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: bespoke legislation written by lobbyists, which is why the Muhammad

1571
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: Ali framing like like that is like lobbying one oh one.

1572
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: When you put a name like that on proposed legislation

1573
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: as a way to both get attention for it and

1574
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: then generate positive sympathies for it on top of it.

1575
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,839
Speaker 1: But they just they can't answer basic questions under public scrutiny,

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01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 1: and then when they go back to a more favorable environment,

1577
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: they're back to being like, you know, leaning in and

1578
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: really you know, giving you a rousing speech. But when

1579
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: he had an opportunity to answer somebody these questions for Sean,

1580
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: he called them a douchebag. One point on this, if

1581
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: I may, and we'll wrap it up on this one,

1582
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: which is, this is why I stopped attending press conferences

1583
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: even when I was still going to fights more regularly.

1584
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: It's because they depress, and I honestly don't think anyone

1585
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: who takes their job seriously should go. Now, you know,

1586
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: everyone's opinion is going to vary on this one, but

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01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, you're just a pawn. If you're a

1588
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: media guy, you're just a pawn for the crowd. The

1589
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: crowd is showing up to the press conference to hear

1590
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: yo mama jokes and you know this, fuck you this guy,

1591
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: fuck you that guy, and you know, to hear people

1592
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: get dunked on or whatever, you know, fun and titillation,

1593
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 1: which is fine if you're a fan, why would you

1594
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: expect any different, But they want the media to facilitate

1595
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: in that role. They want the media to be like listening,

1596
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: your job here isn't really to ask anything interesting. Your

1597
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: job here is to ask things in such a way

1598
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: that gets the crowd hyped, gets the UFC happy with it,

1599
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: and helps promote the event. But Sean didn't want to

1600
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: do that. He wanted to ask a question about like okay,

1601
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: well what's the truth? And then he gets name called

1602
01:19:54,800 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: for it in the end, I mean, what are we doing?

1603
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 3: What do we do with?

1604
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: Like do you understand the media environment that like we're

1605
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: we're living in now? And I know I had my

1606
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: running yesterday with my Coppenter, Like it kind of all

1607
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: speaks to like this media environment where like these incredibly

1608
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: powerful people they just want to do what they want

1609
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: to do. They want to give as little explanation to

1610
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: the public as possible, they want to deride any attempt

1611
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: at journalism, and then they just want everyone to move

1612
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: on and they all stay cocooned in their kind of

1613
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: celebrity podcast circuit. And then that's it. That's the whole show.

1614
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: And then now they're tearing the rebar out of the

1615
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 1: concrete that is federal legislation, and they want you to say, well,

1616
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: we're not changing anything. I think we all deserve better,

1617
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: all right, Topic number five and then we'll call it

1618
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: a day. Here for our top five topics. Numerous and

1619
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: I do mean numerous MMA fighters and this could be

1620
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: many of them. It would include Al Jamaine Sterling, Michael Page,

1621
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: Israel Ata Sonya, among others. They're hardly alone. They've expressed

1622
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: what can only be described as bewilderment that Connor Ben

1623
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: is being paid fifteen million dollars for a single fight,

1624
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: a co main event at that It's a very basic

1625
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 1: question that I want everyone to sit with, namely, will

1626
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: their vocalized opposition lead to any kind of substantive change.

1627
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 1: Before I begin to answer that one, let's take a

1628
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: look at what they have to say. First. Let's start

1629
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: with aljae Main Sterling, who spoke to Aeriel Halwane about this.

1630
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 5: The first those were.

1631
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 2: I was like, are you kidding me? I don't even

1632
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: know who this guy is.

1633
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any UFC fighter who can ever

1634
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 5: say they got fifteen million dollars for one fight. If

1635
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 5: we're comparing the process, right, you have a UFC platform,

1636
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 5: you have the boxing zoof.

1637
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 2: What are I selling?

1638
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 5: That's different with the product you're selling advertising spots. You're

1639
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 5: selling advertising spots over here as well. What actually changes

1640
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 5: is this guy selling a shit ton of merchandise? Like

1641
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 5: I just try to make everything make sense. It could

1642
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 5: be fair with the comparison, but how does that guy

1643
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 5: drive and generate fifteen million dollars plus in excess? When

1644
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 5: you start to think about these things from a logical standpoint,

1645
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 5: it makes it a little bit easier to question, how

1646
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 5: does this one guy, Like obviously the fighter ourselves like

1647
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 5: not everyone's going to be demanding and commanding fifteen million dollars, But.

1648
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, seven point seven million.

1649
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, I'm we not going to talk

1650
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 5: about that.

1651
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 1: It's a fair question. Now let's take we don't have

1652
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: audio or video of the next two ones. Well's here's

1653
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: is he's quote and I think this was on his

1654
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Yeah, that's right. Here's is he quote? If

1655
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: one guy can command that kind of money for one fight,

1656
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: and that's from the same company, ZUFA and this is

1657
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 1: what's been keeping the lights on is the UFC. This

1658
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,839
Speaker 1: is what we love. We love ultimate fighting, not limited fighting.

1659
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: So I don't feel jaded, but I'm like, I want

1660
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: fifteen million for one fight too, and then last. But

1661
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: at least you probably have seen this. Michael Venam Page

1662
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: had said this, by the way, this is via Boys

1663
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: in the Back, but I think he also said this

1664
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: in Sky's Sports quote. It's not something I'm happy about,

1665
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,679
Speaker 1: how highly and he references Dana White values people away

1666
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: from the sport that built his reputation. It's just upsetting,

1667
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: to be fair, it's disappointing more than anything. I love

1668
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: Connor Ben, but he's nowhere near the best in his field.

1669
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: End quote. So those are the statements that have been made. Again,

1670
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: there's many others. That conversation also long Alan. What happened

1671
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: with al Joe at the RAF event? What's the story there?

1672
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: It was him complaining about matchmaking, but I was saying

1673
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:40,879
Speaker 3: to you it was one of the best promo's Aljo's

1674
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 3: ever cut. Mike Kec asked him like, hey, how come

1675
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 3: you haven't been fighting? You know what's the and he

1676
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 3: was basically like, UFC asked me who I want. I

1677
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 3: give them a list of names, and then they offer

1678
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 3: me someone not on that list of names. So it's

1679
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 3: almost like he was implying that they were finding out

1680
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 3: who he wanted to fight, essentially so that they could

1681
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 3: make sure they don't offer him those names. So that

1682
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 3: he kind of just sits in limbo, and we get

1683
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 3: into the whole narrative of like, ooh, they don't want

1684
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 3: boring fighters. I mean, I love Aljoel shout out Long Island,

1685
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 3: but people would categorize him as somewhat boring, I think.

1686
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 3: And I could see the UFC being like, we don't

1687
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 3: love this guy. Let's keep him on the shelf for

1688
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 3: as long as we can and just give him shitty

1689
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 3: fights until he eventually accepts one, and then you know,

1690
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 3: will fall out of good grace as soon enough.

1691
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: And remember you keep denying fights, they can just add

1692
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: more time on your deal exactly.

1693
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 3: But majority of people, dude, nothing's gonna happen from this

1694
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 3: for the fighters. I hate to say it, I said

1695
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 3: when this first happened. I think good managers like Tim

1696
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 3: Simpson is he's manager, is gonna get his guys paid.

1697
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 3: They're gonna get a bump and they're gonna feel good

1698
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 3: about that bump. But in hindsight, that bump is gonna

1699
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: be nothing. It's gonna be like, Yo, we got an

1700
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 3: extra hundred thousand added on your contract. Shit, I'm going

1701
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 3: from two hundred to fight to three hundred to fight.

1702
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 3: This sounds great if you're easy. I don't know what

1703
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 3: he makes, but yeah, and then but like, dude, you're

1704
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 3: still that guy's still making fifteen mill and you're still

1705
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 3: making three hundred. Hey, Like, I don't know. And then

1706
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 3: then they're gonna go to Dana, and Dana's going to be.

1707
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 1: Like, shut the fuck up and mind your own business.

1708
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 3: So they're just fucked either way.

1709
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a very wise thing to imagine.

1710
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: Do me a favor, though, If you can't long, Alan,

1711
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: can we do this? Can you put up a poll

1712
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 1: in the chat? Yeah? Right, in the poll ask them

1713
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: very simple question, based on what you've heard these fighters say.

1714
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: Do you think this leads to any kind of substantive change?

1715
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Right, Really, what I want to know

1716
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the show, we'll come back and

1717
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: see what they say. Let me just be very clear

1718
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: about this. I actually don't think it's it's I don't

1719
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: think it's nothing that they said what they said I

1720
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: Isy or Al Joe or any MVP. And again those

1721
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: are not the only ones, but those are some of

1722
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: the three more prominent ones, the two of them being

1723
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: for former champions in the UFC. I don't think that

1724
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 1: that's nothing because it takes a lot of courage to

1725
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 1: even do that. More importantly, it just takes a little

1726
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: bit of awareness, like like timeout, timeout, What how does

1727
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: this all this work? You know what I mean? Like

1728
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: what's behind door number two? Why does it work this

1729
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: way and not this way? Like it requires a degree

1730
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: of interrogating the way in which the world works and

1731
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: then asking why there are asymmetries in places where there

1732
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,879
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't be, or in this particular case, like huge

1733
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 1: asymmetries in ways that there shouldn't be. So it requires

1734
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: a thoughtful mind and it requires a bit of courage

1735
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: to say those kinds of things. And I think as

1736
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: long Island indicated Tim Simpson a very very capable manager.

1737
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: I think a guy like that can work within the

1738
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: system to get higher yields or returns or you know,

1739
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: something more favorable for them. Hey, we want it to

1740
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: be against this opponent on this card at this time.

1741
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: You know, we feel like we're entitled to X, Y

1742
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: or z, and then finding a way to kind of

1743
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: massage this the as it exists, to do this kind

1744
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: of a thing. I think that's real. As we indicated

1745
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: previously with the whole Eddie Hearn and tom Asminal thing,

1746
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 1: maybe it sends a bunch of people into the arms

1747
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: of Eddie Hearn that remains to be seen. I think

1748
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: that's also worth considering. But this is a message that

1749
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: I have had for the fighters for a very long time,

1750
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: and it's never changed because the truth of it hasn't changed.

1751
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: Look at me very very closely when I say this

1752
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: to the fighters of the UFC. The cavalry ain't coming.

1753
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: The cavalry ain't coming. They are not going to arrive.

1754
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: There is not going to be some kind of mythic

1755
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: force that just shows up. And because people are expressing

1756
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: dissension in the ranks, this is going to lead to

1757
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: some kind of substantive change. It is not to say

1758
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: that planting some of these seeds and then vocalizing some

1759
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: of the these concerns have no utility. But the utility

1760
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 1: that they have is to set up the next stage

1761
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,839
Speaker 1: of what has to happen for real change to occur.

1762
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 1: They are antecedent factors, not ends in themselves. The cavalry

1763
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: is not coming. And I've been wringing this alarm and

1764
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: trying to raise issues around this topic for I mean,

1765
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: I've lost count about how many years, you know, I

1766
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: don't even know what to say anymore. I've been doing

1767
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: this forever and ever and ever, and what has it

1768
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 1: led to? You know, if anything, a greater inequality in

1769
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: terms of the athlete, what they get and what the

1770
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: UFC or or TKO is able to take home. You know,

1771
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: hasn't changed anything because it can't understand what has to

1772
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: happen in order for there to be meaningful change. You

1773
01:28:55,640 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: all have to do something on your own that makes

1774
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: the law change.

1775
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 3: That is it.

1776
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 1: That is it. The UFC and TKO are not going

1777
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: to bend on anything whatsoever unless the law makes them.

1778
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: Why did they give three hundred and seventy five million

1779
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: dollars to that plaintiff class Because the plaintiffs took them

1780
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: to court, paid millions and millions of dollars for ten

1781
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: years of litigation, and then later on decided to settle

1782
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 1: and it was a court enforced order that made the

1783
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 1: UFC pay. It was the force of law. It is

1784
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 1: why TKO is now going to Congress to get the

1785
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: laws changed, because what they want on their side is

1786
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 1: the force of law and whether that answer for the

1787
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: fighters if they feel like it's a union that there's

1788
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: a debate to be had about whether that's the best

1789
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: thing for them. But that would carry if they actually unionized,

1790
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: it would carry the force of law, or if they

1791
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: were able. Again, this seems like a pie in the

1792
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: sky opportunity at this point, but there was a moment

1793
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 1: in time anyway where they want to get the Aliact

1794
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: extended to MMA that would have had the force of law.

1795
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: Anything short of that, you just have to hope your

1796
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: manager is clever. It doesn't, it won't work. So I

1797
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: don't want people to say, oh, them speaking out means nothing,

1798
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 1: because it's not true. It can plant the seeds of

1799
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: fruit that you want to bear later on down the road.

1800
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: It's actually quite an important part. But I also don't

1801
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 1: want people to say, oh, well, because they're speaking out, well,

1802
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 1: what happens next. UFC is going to want to bend.

1803
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 1: The history that I have seen is that that is

1804
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: simply not true. That media cycles come and go, and

1805
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 1: this is kind of a routine one because the problem

1806
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: never gets addressed, and so you know, it just kind

1807
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: of bubbles up all the time. It was punctuated by

1808
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 1: what connor Ben did, obviously, or what connor Ben got,

1809
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: I should say, But the lesson is as simple as

1810
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: can possibly be. The cavalry is not coming. There is

1811
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: no cavalry, and they're not coming to save you. You have

1812
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: to do that on your own, and you have to

1813
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 1: do it in such a way that the law makes

1814
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: them do it. Anything short of that, and it is

1815
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: sound and fury. I won't say, signifying nothing, but signifying

1816
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: very little by itself. And that is the top five. Okay,

1817
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: catch us up here, Long Island. Here we got some

1818
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: way and missus and some disasters. What's going on?

1819
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 3: No misses, but Jung Young Lee I was reported on

1820
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 3: Twitter and stuff that he's having complications cutting, so they

1821
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 3: canceled that fight him and Gaston Balanjos Blanos did make weight,

1822
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 3: so unfortunate for him. Right now, we're just waiting on

1823
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 3: Rob font which is a little worrisome. He still has

1824
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 3: twenty four minutes, but you know, everyone else on the

1825
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 3: cards waged in.

1826
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: He's getting a little old brother.

1827
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 3: He's almost forty, dude, I know. And yeah he's he's

1828
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 3: not a.

1829
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: Small bandsomwaight too big bansomweight.

1830
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna say he's not a big but

1831
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 3: there you go.

1832
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: He's not. He's not a gigantic bansom weight. But if

1833
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: you look at his frame, he's tall and he's lanky,

1834
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: and he's getting close to forty, like it might be

1835
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 1: a little harder to get some of that extra shit

1836
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: off in the ways that it wasn't before, you know.

1837
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 3: Very true. All right, well we got dead wrongs now,

1838
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, let's do it.

1839
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Time for dead, wrong, time for dead wrong. Here we go,

1840
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:26,560
Speaker 1: then wrong.

1841
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 3: Admitted.

1842
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Do you like to read these?

1843
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 3: Sure? I was gonna say, admittedly, there was only two

1844
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 3: and they are pretty old at this point. But I

1845
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 3: felt like we it was a good episode to do

1846
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 3: it because it's just us two and.

1847
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's remind everyone morning combat at gmail dot

1848
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 1: morningcombat at gmail dot com. Morningcombat at gmail dot com

1849
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: is the place to go.

1850
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, maybe we've just been so good, Luke

1851
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 3: that no one has reached out about it. Yes, that

1852
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 3: must be possible to all right, First up, we got

1853
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 3: from Samuel and he says this one is for Long

1854
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 3: Island Luke. At one hour, fifty two minutes, twenty nine

1855
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,799
Speaker 3: seconds during Eskimo Brothers, Lyl claims that this guy Jeff

1856
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 3: Neil beat all three fighters Holland, Perry, and RDA, which

1857
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 3: is dead wrong.

1858
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 1: He lost RDA right, No.

1859
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 3: He holds wins over RDA and Perry. He lost to

1860
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 3: Kevin Holland on the regionals at Extreme Knockout thirty four

1861
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 3: and twenty seventeen. You know, I'm not I'm gonna take

1862
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 3: this l because obviously I got it wrong. But in

1863
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 3: my defense, Eskimo Brothers is normally just who did these

1864
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 3: guys fight? I can't remember who, but there was someone

1865
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 3: who had also fought all three of those guys. So

1866
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 3: I was just like, yeah, beat all of them. But

1867
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 3: you're right, I got it wrong, got it wrong. That's

1868
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 3: my dude.

1869
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm tell you on the air, you'll say some shit

1870
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 1: and then you'll go back and listen. You'll be like,

1871
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 1: why the fuck did I say that? You know what happens.

1872
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 3: You know that that's happening to you right now, Luke.

1873
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 3: Because this one was sent in from John Mark, and

1874
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 3: Yusef also sent this in. But this is John Mark's

1875
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 3: message to you, says Hi Luke, Lil and Oscar or Chuck,

1876
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 3: neither of which are here, but okay. On Friday's episode,

1877
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 3: at the fifty eight to fifty nine minute mark, Luke

1878
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 3: repeatedly states that UFC two twenty nine took place in

1879
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. This is obviously dead wrong, as Habib muled

1880
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:06,759
Speaker 3: Connor two years later.

1881
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: In twenty Oh, you're so right, Jesus.

1882
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 3: And then he says, I will always remember where I

1883
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 3: was for that card. Hence the question for the MK

1884
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 3: team where were you on the night of UFC two

1885
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 3: twenty nine?

1886
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: So I was there and where I was? I specifically,

1887
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,799
Speaker 1: I was in the media room. And you'll recall after

1888
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 1: all that melee went down, do you remember that Habib

1889
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: came back to the media room and then apologized, and

1890
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 1: when like, Adam is going to be mad at him,

1891
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's like, my dad's going to be a

1892
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,879
Speaker 1: real bitter at me. He's like, but you can't insult

1893
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 1: my religion like that, you can't insult my people like

1894
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 1: that and think you're just going to get away with it.

1895
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: He was apologizing to the commission. I was right there

1896
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: for that. I was sitting right there in that room,

1897
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 1: and I actually, I remember, this is a true story,

1898
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: like because Habib was clear, like you could tell he

1899
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 1: knew he had done wrong, like he knew what he

1900
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: had done was not appropriate, right, But at the same time,

1901
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 1: you could also tell like he felt he had to

1902
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: and there was a a depth of his soul that

1903
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 1: you could see what he was reaching into to justify

1904
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 1: his actions. And it was like, brother, it was like

1905
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 1: it was hardcore the way he said it, like especially

1906
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 1: in the room, like there was a hush that fell

1907
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: over it. And I remember I talked to Chuck right

1908
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 1: after that, and Chuck goes, God, damn, I think I'm paraphrase.

1909
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: I didn't quite say it this way. He's like, but

1910
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 1: that shit was cold, like there was an ice that

1911
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: came over the room when he said it that way.

1912
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 1: So I was with Chuck and then I did a

1913
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: whole I did a postfight reaction on Submission Radio that day.

1914
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 3: That's dope. I was working for the company that now

1915
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 3: is owned by Endeavor, but we weren't at the time,

1916
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 3: and basically when we did Baymac, our stream went down.

1917
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 3: It was a huge fuck up, and like our company

1918
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 3: was like looking bad. So then when UFC two twenty

1919
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 3: nine came around, which was arguably the next big like

1920
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 3: pay per view event, they were like, Yo, we need

1921
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 3: like thirty contingencies in case shit goes wrong. So I

1922
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 3: was running a team of like thirty people just to

1923
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 3: run one stream. And it was sick because when the

1924
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 3: main event started, we had like these big screen TVs

1925
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 3: and I was like, Yo, fuck this, I ain't sitting

1926
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 3: at a computer for this. Shit went up by the

1927
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 3: big screen TVs, they had a bottle of Proper twelve.

1928
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 3: I took a shot of Proper twelve. It was a

1929
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 3: good night, you know, good night of work, especially getting

1930
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 3: paid for it. But uh yeah, dude, that whole shit

1931
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 3: was crazy, and I was rooting for Connor. I vividly

1932
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 3: remember sharing him on I know, embarrassing, embarrassing, I know,

1933
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 3: but I was, I'll admit.

1934
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, Like, you know, I don't

1935
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 1: know how many heroes there are in sports, but I

1936
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 1: can just tell you Connor ain't one of them.

1937
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,759
Speaker 3: But I know I'm not like a huge Connor stand.

1938
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 3: I just remember like rooting for him, like oh, and

1939
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 3: then he gets dropped and you're like, oh, that was dude.

1940
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 1: He got dropped in that second round. I was like,

1941
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 1: holy shit.

1942
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 3: And me too. I think I audibly yelled out. But

1943
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 3: uh luke, we got a new game to play, a right,

1944
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 3: It's just me and you, so you know we can't

1945
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 3: have you go against someone if I'm making the game.

1946
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 3: So this is just gonna be a little this or that.

1947
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 3: So Eltie, I'm gonna present you with two options. You're

1948
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 3: you're straight up just gonna tell me which one would

1949
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 3: you choose? This or that? First up, we got which

1950
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 3: one of these would you eat pop tart flavors? The

1951
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 3: caesar salad pop tart or the fish and chips pop?

1952
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 7: Oh jesus, oh my god, I would get would there

1953
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 7: be cod in the fish and chips one?

1954
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 3: No, I'm going to assume just like any pop tart,

1955
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 3: it's just frosting, but it's flavored like fish.

1956
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: Well, it looks like there's fucking salad in the caesar salad.

1957
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,759
Speaker 3: I mean these are like AI, I don't think.

1958
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm gonna go caesar salad on this one. I

1959
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 1: don't know if I can eat fish. Yeah, actually, in

1960
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: a pop tart. I mean, I guess, well, you know

1961
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: what I mean. I guess if you bake it, you could.

1962
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, here's here's the real answer. I'm eating a bullet.

1963
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 3: Eating the box. I don't like Caesar Salad. I do

1964
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 3: like fish and chips, But I still think I would

1965
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 3: choose Caesar Saladin? Which one?

1966
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: Which one would be? Cet?

1967
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 3: You think? I feel like BC would do the fish

1968
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:10,599
Speaker 3: and chips and he'd have some weird like guys. I swear,

1969
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 3: if you put mustard on it, it's you know.

1970
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: I totally agree, he's a fish and chips weird.

1971
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, all right. Look next up for you,

1972
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:21,639
Speaker 3: we got a would you rather? Would you rather see

1973
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 3: Cannibal Corpse in concert? But throughout the show you find

1974
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 3: out everything on stage's cake, including their instruments, to the

1975
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 3: point they're not even playing anymore. It's just cutting cake

1976
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 3: and eating cake. Or have cake ladies sit in for

1977
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 3: George corpse Grinder for an entire show. But she actually

1978
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 3: sounds decent and no cake is involved.

1979
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: No, the no cake is the answer. I want to

1980
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 1: see I want to see I want to see cake Lake.

1981
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: I can't I can't deal with a cannibal corpse show

1982
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: where everything is edible. I mean they're gonna play songs

1983
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: like you know, I Come Blood and stripped, raped and strangled,

1984
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 1: and you know, just the worship you've ever heard in

1985
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 1: your life. And then they're gonna be eating everything on stage,

1986
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: especially if you're on drugs. Can you imagine what that

1987
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 1: would do to you?

1988
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 3: It actually sounds awesome. I think if you're interested in.

1989
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 1: Shit like that, you got to go to a Guar show.

1990
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: You ever seen Gwar, I've seen them dressed up, I've

1991
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: never actually heard their music.

1992
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 4: Dude.

1993
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,679
Speaker 1: They'll shoot like they'll get these giant props on stage

1994
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 1: of like you know, like a giant demon, and then

1995
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: the giant demon will quote unquote ejaculate on everyone. But

1996
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 1: it's just like water that they're shooting on the audience,

1997
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: you know. And then they'll they'll eat people like they'll

1998
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:31,720
Speaker 1: shove people into the machine to eat and stuff like that.

1999
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 1: So if you want that experience, it's there. I can't

2000
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: deal with a cannibal corps show, you know, where it's

2001
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 1: they're talking about the worship on earth.

2002
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 3: You'd rather just have in the lead. What if she's like,

2003
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:44,799
Speaker 3: I don't know how I come blood goes. It probably

2004
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 3: goes something like I came blood, So you want her

2005
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 3: being like I come blood, and probably in a different

2006
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 3: language too, she doesn't speak English.

2007
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 1: Great, I'll smoke. I'll smoke my Benjamin Benjamin Franklin and

2008
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: then drink a beer and be just fine.

2009
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough. Look, you've recently talked about getting

2010
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 3: rid of some of your tattoos. But you know in this,

2011
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 3: this or that, which one of these would you choose

2012
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:10,799
Speaker 3: to get tattooed on you? You have to choose one

2013
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 3: Bert christ your tattoo or the Joe Rogan Experience tattoo.

2014
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 3: Jesus that wrote that Bert one is actually pretty good.

2015
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 3: Like if you're rating that, you're you're going seven or higher.

2016
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: Right, yes, because the Joe Rogan one doesn't.

2017
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 3: Like.

2018
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: The teeth are good, but I feel like the face

2019
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 1: gets a little bit messed up between the eyebrows and

2020
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: the nose. You know. Yeah, Also, you know one of

2021
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 1: these guys is kind of like dude. Once again, the

2022
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: answer is suicide. Okay, here's the caveat. It'll be hidden.

2023
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 3: We'll put it right next to your naval tattoos. So

2024
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 3: which one now are you choosing? Maybe? Bert pointing at

2025
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 3: the naval tattoo Like that might look cool, dude.

2026
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 1: The problem with doing this is if I got either one,

2027
01:40:55,320 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't face my family, you know what I mean? Like,

2028
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: which one of these do you show your family and

2029
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: they're like, we want you around you.

2030
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 3: Just imagine Tuky being like, Daddy, show me the fat

2031
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 3: man on your stomach and you got like the Burt

2032
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 3: thing right there.

2033
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the Rogan tattoo, and then afterwards I'd

2034
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: add things around it to maybe like make it look

2035
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 1: less like a Rogan tattoo, like more like a I

2036
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: don't know, some kind of fever dream abstract art piece

2037
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: or something.

2038
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:26,560
Speaker 3: You know, I got one more for you because we

2039
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 3: know you love the full body and the astats and everything.

2040
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 3: What about bert on your ass cheek pointing to you know,

2041
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 3: to my buttthole or something? Yeah, exactly like that.

2042
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Once again, how do you show up to your family

2043
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 1: being like this?

2044
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 3: Does your family see your asshole every day? I mean

2045
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe your wife, but no one else

2046
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2047
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 1: But like even then, like you know, just knowing that

2048
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: they knew you had it would be enough for my

2049
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 1: wife to like file for divorce you know.

2050
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 3: All right, all right, well, Luke, I got two TV

2051
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 3: shows here. I'm gonna explain the plots of them. You

2052
01:41:57,920 --> 01:41:59,600
Speaker 3: tell me which one you would prefer to watch, and

2053
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 3: then I'll reveal what the shows are. So, show number

2054
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 3: one is contestants are sold on the opportunity of a lifetime,

2055
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:09,759
Speaker 3: with the winner having a chance to have a chance

2056
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 3: to make some real money. Show number two is aspiring

2057
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 3: businessmen and women are brought under the wings of a

2058
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 3: true leader to see who has the best potential to

2059
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 3: be their.

2060
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:24,839
Speaker 1: Intern the first one.

2061
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 3: So you love the ultimate fighter, Luke, You'll have a

2062
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 3: chance to have a chance to make some real money,

2063
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 3: the opportunity of a lifetime. You don't like the apprentice

2064
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 3: with Chatri. I guess which is competing to be his

2065
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 3: intern in the area.

2066
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 1: I feel like competing to be an intern is like

2067
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 1: that's the lowest form of life on earth, you know

2068
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:49,839
Speaker 1: what I mean. Actually, that's one step above nineteenth century

2069
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,520
Speaker 1: indentured servant, whereas.

2070
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 3: No opportunity er does. Though. I've just made up the

2071
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 3: intern thing because it sounded funnier.

2072
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:58,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, well listen, I'm only reacting to the thing

2073
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:02,480
Speaker 1: you gave me. Whereas the opportunity to get the opportunity

2074
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 1: to win money. I feel like that's got a higher ceiling.

2075
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:07,639
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2076
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 3: It sounds like a show i'd watch. Uh, Luke, We

2077
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 3: know BC love sending you conspiracy theories, but I've never

2078
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 3: actually asked your opinion on them. This or that, Luke,

2079
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 3: Which conspiracy theory is more believable to you? Nine to

2080
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:24,799
Speaker 3: eleven or the moon landing nine eleven? Wow?

2081
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: The moon landing, to me, has been so thoroughly vetted,

2082
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 1: and there are a number of people. I actually have

2083
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: a friend of a friend who is a astrophysicist, and

2084
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 1: this was years ago, and I had a conversation with him,

2085
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 1: and it was very clear that we landed on the moon.

2086
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 1: Like the ways in which he was explaining, like some

2087
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 1: of the stuff just can't be faked, blah blah blah,

2088
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 1: this that and the other. I mean, I forget all

2089
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 1: the stuff he was telling me. It was a while ago,

2090
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: but he was adamant we had done it. Whereas the

2091
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 1: policee I mean, there's there's there's there's elements to either

2092
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 1: of these, But the nine to eleven one feels to

2093
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: me like sabotage internally, While I don't necessarily buy the theory.

2094
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:13,639
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm in. I'm not endorsing it. I'm

2095
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 1: saying that one, to me has given the choice more

2096
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: probability than the other one. How about that.

2097
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 3: I'm interested now, you know, as someone who just gets

2098
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 3: the text from DC but doesn't actually look into these things.

2099
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 3: I'm curious you shooting down one for the other. I'm curious.

2100
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 3: I got to look at their one.

2101
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 1: They're all full of life, you know.

2102
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. We got another. Would you eat, Luke?

2103
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 3: These are potato chip flavors. We got hot ham water

2104
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 3: or mint mischief.

2105
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 1: Oh we're doing mint mischief.

2106
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 3: Ew? What a mint potato chip?

2107
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,599
Speaker 1: Dude, Yes, we're doing mint mischief. I'll play with that

2108
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 1: one all day.

2109
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 3: No, because think about hot ham water. You're not gonna

2110
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 3: taste the water. It's just gonna be like ham chips.

2111
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's ham water chips. It's not ham chips.

2112
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,559
Speaker 1: I've had ham chips. Ham chips are good ham tasting water.

2113
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 1: Bitch ass chips. Fuck that, you can leave.

2114
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 3: It just means like a water down, like a faint ham.

2115
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 3: That to me, if anything is better than the actual

2116
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 3: ham chip.

2117
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,679
Speaker 1: Then call it faint ham, but you're calling it ham water.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just reading what's there, but I'm thinking

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01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 3: of like you just boil the ham and now you're

2120
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 3: like pouring that water on like flavoring chips with it.

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01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 1: No, see your dubbt and that one sounds more familiar

2122
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 1: mint mischief to me. First of all, the name is

2123
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 1: much more exciting. The bag looks way more appetizing, true,

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01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 1: and more to the point, Look, you got a little

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01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: bit of a lime wedge in there, you know you

2126
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 1: got what was Is there another Pepperassi down?

2127
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 3: What is it? A fucking moheedo potato chip?

2128
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:40,280
Speaker 1: Like exactly? You're dealing with some complexity there that maybe

2129
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 1: it's good, maybe it's bad, but I'd be much more

2130
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:43,599
Speaker 1: interested in trying the ladder than the former.

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01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you add some quer vot to those

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01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 3: and then I'm in.

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01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 1: But I mean, let's go, let's do it, all.

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01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 3: Right, Elsie? I got another Would you rather? Uh? Would

2135
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 3: you rather see Bert Kreischer take his shirt off on

2136
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 3: stage for sixty minutes aka do a stand up show?

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01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 3: You mean just go see him exactly? Or see Jay

2139
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 3: Aaron take his shirt off on stage for sixty minutes.

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01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 1: God, where is the drive by shooter when you need one?

2141
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 3: And I won't even say that Jay's doing stand up

2142
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 3: because I know you would probably choose Bird at that point,

2143
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:15,759
Speaker 3: So we'll just say Jay is doing something that you enjoy.

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01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 3: But he still is standing up there looking like this,

2145
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 3: whereas Bird is doing stand up.

2146
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 1: Look at Jay's nipples.

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01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 3: This was just shout out to Jay. He did some

2148
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 3: you know, he was he was very impressed with his

2149
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 3: time on this CrossFit thing.

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01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, high rocks, Like like, there are people who do

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01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 1: high rocks that are very fit, but then there are

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01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: people who are like very averagely fit, but they're like

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01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: really into being averagely fit, and then they also do

2154
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: high rocks, and then that's Jay. Honestly, like, it's nauseating

2155
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: to look at Jay. So the answer was nazy. You

2156
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: know what snazzy is. Look a Burt too, Now I

2157
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: would just go tolerate a Burt show. Wow, Yeah, Jay

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01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 1: put a shirt on you nipple as freak.

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01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 3: I mean, that's clearly the right answer, but I'm just

2160
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 3: shocked you admitted it. I thought for sure you'd be

2161
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 3: like anything.

2162
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: But Bert, they're both unappetizing, but you know.

2163
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 3: Oh shit, Rob font just made weight, and he celebrated

2164
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:10,720
Speaker 3: when he made weight like great, he didn't think he

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01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 3: made it one thirty six. All right, Eltie, we got

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01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 3: three more for you. So our boy, Brian Campbell has

2167
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 3: a lot of sayings. Which of these is your favorite?

2168
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 3: Real talk like men do? Or Ball's Bonanza?

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01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:30,759
Speaker 1: So the answer has to be balls bonanza because two reasons. One,

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01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 1: I hate real talk like men do. He loves it.

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01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 1: I hate it.

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01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 3: That's part of the charm, though, that you hate it.

2173
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 1: And that's part of the charm for you.

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01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 3: No, the delay between talk and then like men do. Ah,

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01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 3: it's so good.

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01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 1: You know it hits Yeah, listen, you donks love it.

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01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 1: I don't. So there's that. That's reason number one. Reason

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01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 1: number two is he did that whole Ball's Bonanza thing

2179
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: for what appeared to be years, and I never even

2180
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 1: noticed it.

2181
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 3: None of us did. That's the best part.

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01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,640
Speaker 1: I never noticed at once. And so to me it's like,

2183
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, a very wallflowery I don't have to worry

2184
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 1: about some of the annoying things about him. I can

2185
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 1: just enjoy, you know, the things that are nice about him.

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01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 3: But it's like knowing this story behind balls Bonanza, which

2187
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 3: was that he was trying to control me, right, BC

2188
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,800
Speaker 3: and Snyder came up. They were just gonna work it

2189
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 3: into every dock. I don't even think it was for

2190
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 3: you necessarily, Luke. It was just let's work the quote

2191
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 3: Ball's Bonanza into every dock. And as soon as BC

2192
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 3: brought that up to us when we were like four

2193
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 3: docks in, it was very funny to me because I'm like,

2194
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 3: I didn't even realize that, but now that you say it, whatever,

2195
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 3: so I feel like it was just like that. But

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01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 3: look at that he's grabbing life by the balls in

2197
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:39,720
Speaker 3: that photo there.

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01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 1: It's great, dude. I like how in one pick, look

2199
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 1: how he's like well lit and he's like tan and shit,

2200
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 1: and then he looks like he joined a cult in

2201
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 1: the middle of like nowhere Kansas, you know, yeah, and

2202
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 1: he's just lost access to the sun and he's given

2203
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 1: some fiery sermon about to hold snakes or some shit.

2204
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 3: You know it trube too, because these are both filmed

2205
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 3: on really nice cameras, so you know it's not the

2206
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 3: camera like just a skin tone. All right, we got

2207
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 3: two more, Luke, who would you rather have dinner with?

2208
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 3: You and the missus are going out to eat. You

2209
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 3: got two UFC power couples here, Tony Kelly and Andrea Lee.

2210
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 3: And if you don't know about Tony Kelly, I can

2211
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 3: enlighten you. And the other one would be Johanna and

2212
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 3: Jamal Hill. Let's just say they're getting along that day.

2213
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 3: You know, they're on a date together, they're going out.

2214
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:31,560
Speaker 3: Which one would you humor in a conversation with you?

2215
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:34,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, the answer is Jamal Hill and Johanna.

2216
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 3: Wow. See, I thought you're disdained for Joanna would be like,

2217
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm not sharing a fucking meal.

2218
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not. You know, the views expressed on

2219
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: the left side of the picture I don't fuck with.

2220
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 1: And moreover, there's just a general level of it is

2221
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: idiocy there. This was the guy who did it, drove

2222
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: across the country rather than fly to a fight because

2223
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 1: he didn't want to wear a mask. Now again, nobody

2224
01:49:57,200 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 1: really does, but like, that level of commitment to doing

2225
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 1: dumb shit is just not I can't have a you know,

2226
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 1: there's no there's no interesting conversation possible. Whereas I feel

2227
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 1: like with Jamal and Youanna, you got you got a

2228
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 1: chance for some spiciness up in there.

2229
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:11,760
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, all right, well, I will

2230
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 3: say instead of Jamal and Joanna, I was gonna put

2231
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 3: Sean Strickland and his wife just to he needed a

2232
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 3: significant other? Would you still which one? Are you choosing?

2233
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 1: That?

2234
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:23,639
Speaker 3: Because I was like, who's gonna say outrageous shit?

2235
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I'm not interested in that. It's gotta

2236
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 1: be uh, it's gotta be uh, It's gotta be Jamal

2237
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 1: and Joanna for sure. All right, fair enough, for sure?

2238
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 3: All right, Elsie, we got the last one for you.

2239
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,559
Speaker 3: You know you always say I'd rather good fucked by

2240
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,599
Speaker 3: an ay Dick Walris than do this, so fuck? Would

2241
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 3: you rather get fucked to death by an eight Dick

2242
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 3: Walris or get knocked out in an eight sided cage

2243
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 3: power slap style? So you you just stand there and

2244
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 3: someone insert poeton just a left hook to the fucking chin?

2245
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 3: Are you taking that? Or are you getting fucked to

2246
01:50:58,439 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 3: death by the eight dick Wallas?

2247
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I don't think getting fucked to

2248
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,879
Speaker 1: death by an eight DICKT Walris is gonna be super awesome.

2249
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 3: You think getting knocked out it is gonna be super awesome?

2250
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, relative to getting fucked to death, by an

2251
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:12,719
Speaker 1: eight dicked Walrus.

2252
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you've chosen. Like, I'd rather get fuck to

2253
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 3: death by an eight tick Walrus than listen to that

2254
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 3: song that just came out.

2255
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm doing it in jest. Now you're like, yo,

2256
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: for real, Yeah, I'm like, I'm not doing the Walrus bit.

2257
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's that's literally just a bit

2258
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 1: like I'm not doing that shore.

2259
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 3: You're fucking who are there? You are?

2260
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 1: How many? How many? Based on my diatribe yesterday, how

2261
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,480
Speaker 1: many pieces of sound did you add to the soundboard?

2262
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 1: I don't know who the fuck do you think you are?

2263
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 1: Brother gott you are an untalented zero. Yeah, that's that's

2264
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 1: my dad talking to Mesess.

2265
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 3: This one's good, mind your own business, and then fucking

2266
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 3: whore that. That's that's the best one. We're gonna use

2267
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 3: that a lot. It's a little annoying though, because like

2268
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 3: we have the hip hop porn in here too, and

2269
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:06,800
Speaker 3: it's gonna be so fucking loud compared to the it's

2270
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 3: a whole thing.

2271
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:08,799
Speaker 1: Work quick you to fix that part.

2272
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, we made it. We made it to the end.

2273
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:13,599
Speaker 1: All right. Let's remind everyone. Let's remind every one Morning

2274
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 1: Coombat at gmail dot com to reach the show very quickly,

2275
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: and again dead wrongs fan soobs reminder on the fansobs,

2276
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:25,480
Speaker 1: there's a month long contest. Send in your funniest, most acerbic,

2277
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: coolest memes. Maybe they don't pass the North Korean censors.

2278
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,439
Speaker 1: Send in your memes and the best one will get

2279
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 1: a signed poster from yours truly. Yeah, we'll get that

2280
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: for free. This is that's just what the winner gets.

2281
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 1: Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Of course, we're all over

2282
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Speaker 1: the socialist littlem no long island there we have it.

2283
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,240
Speaker 1: Tell them about your coverage plan for the weekend on

2284
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 1: the main Card minute, please.

2285
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 3: Well, in thirty three minutes, I got Jed Mischu taking

2286
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 3: on Chuck Mindenhall and prop Quiz, So go check that

2287
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 3: out over on main Card minute. And then I'm doing

2288
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 3: a full card watch along. I've been going fifteen minutes

2289
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 3: before the card starts, so I say five pm, but

2290
01:52:57,439 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 3: I'm really going live at four forty five, so if

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01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:01,760
Speaker 3: anyone wants to hop in ahead of time, I'll be

2292
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 3: there for forty five. But yeah, we'll do the full card.

2293
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:07,679
Speaker 3: You already know bet breakdowns next week, the whole nine Luke,

2294
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 3: you're doing to watch along for this.

2295
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,120
Speaker 1: I'll do a watch along for I mean at least

2296
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 1: part of the card and then definitely a post fight

2297
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 1: show YouTube dot com slash Luke Thomas, so you can

2298
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 1: go check that out on all the different socials and

2299
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Let's let it. Let's show

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01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:23,240
Speaker 1: them the merch. Let's take a look at this merch

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01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: one more time for well, it's three and a half

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01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 1: new items. The Morning Combat shirt and hoodie that's got

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Speaker 1: the Morning on fire. The quote unquote basher version that

2304
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: rhymes with what it actually is is a modeled off

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01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 1: of there it is Morning Combat. You can get the shirt.

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01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 1: We also have the let's see what else we got

2307
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 1: the McDonald's Whifi. This one it might be again pretty

2308
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 1: close to one of my personal favorites. I love this one.

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01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 1: Then of course we have the Delta eight, which is

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01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 1: basically be one of the best things we've ever sold

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01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 1: on this kind of goddamn thing. And then last but

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01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 1: not least, getting back to of course, you can see

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01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 1: the hoodie there as well for the original design. Are

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01:53:58,360 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 1: we doing posters this month?

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01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 3: No? No posters this month, just because I felt like

2316
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:05,160
Speaker 3: none of those were really postery, you know what I mean.

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01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 3: They're kind of just whatever.

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01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 1: But okay, we'll do.

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01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 3: We'll have posters back for April, all right.

2320
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,320
Speaker 1: Well, or we'll have a poster for the winner.

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01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:13,439
Speaker 3: Well, we'll definitely have a poster for the win. We'll

2322
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 3: give them an army of darkness. We have leftover army

2323
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:16,240
Speaker 3: of darkness.

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01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 1: The waiter is gonna get it, all right, very good.

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Speaker 1: I think that's it for the show. We're back on

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01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 1: Monday with Chuck Full reaction to UFC three twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for watching. I greatly appreciate

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Speaker 1: it for Long Island, who did a phenomenal job today IMLT.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone on the show who helped out. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to all of you guys who watched. See you Monday

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Speaker 1: and until then all of your gains. Be loyal.